Johnny Lawrence BEATS Mike Barnes in Cobra Kai Season 6 - "LAST TIME YOU WEREN'T FIGHTING THIS!"

[@timogle4840]

It seems perfectly reasonable to me. Johnny has been training and teaching for years at this point, even learning new styles. Mike was a teenage beast and quit until recently. It's a fundamental principle of the martial arts: adapt or stagnate. If you think about it, it's a beautiful way to show just how far Johnny has come since season 1.

[@justalpha9138]

That's how I felt about this fight. Johnny winning this fight made sense to me

[@ggbros9454]

I agree when they were kids sure but Mike doesn't train

[@wilbertmarrero6943]

I agree, he is more complete now, if Daniel beat Mike in his prime, makes sense that Johnny can beat Mike after all he has learned. I completely disagreed with this video. #teamcreampuff

[@irvinalexanderflores]

@@wilbertmarrero6943 Daniel only won by technicality he scored one point at the end after Mike Barnes beat the brakes off him the entire time that last point was the only hit Daniel landed on Mike the entire fight

[@AWF1000]

To be fair Mike hasn't trained in years. He moved on with his life. Johnny never stopped.

[@theman0110]

Johnny did stop until cobra Kai season 1

[@BrandonPerezOne]

@@theman0110 True but he had enough time to train enough and fight enough before Mike entered the picture again. Which gave Johnny the advantage.

[@Zurround]

@@BrandonPerezOne Daniel helped him train. He might owe that victory at least in part to Daniel.

[@ashtonyouboty38]

Johnny was more balanced than Mike at the time of the fight

[@burstingturtle]

TBF, in their tournaments, Johnny had qualms about hurting Daniel, whereas Mike didn’t. Prime Johnny at max potential like Mike is probably a force to be reckoned with.

[@gustavramirez2891]

I was OK with this. Because it's open to interpretation - maybe Johnny won because Mike hasn't been training for a long time, while Johnny has learned different karate techniques, such as Miyagi-Do. Or maybe Mike could have won, but just choose to stop fighting Johnny, because he didn't want to be his violent self anymore, or because his anger at Johnny had dissipated as they fought.

[@singletona082]

I get the narritive reasons for the fight going as it did. The exicutio nI feel is what lacks.

[@gustavramirez2891]

@@singletona082 Yeah, it was just OK, not great.

[@TheLuconic]

Mike literally said that ever since they brought Karate back into his life he has this need for a fight or something like that. But the words you must analyze, is that they brought Karate back into his life. Meaning he most likely never trained since his downfall. Yes he still remembers his skills cuz of how he drilled the moves until he doesn’t even need to think about it, speaks volumes. And is what’s being used here. But Barnes lost because he hasn’t been training as long as Johnny. That’s that.

[@dqreps]

​@@TheLuconicexactly. That's what happens when you don't train. You lose your edge.

[@scottw1828]

It showed that Johnny's defense has stepped up learning from Daniel.

[@theophilus3793]

Bro, it's simple. Mike hasn't fought or trained in *decades*. Johnny's been back in the game for a while now and learned Miyagi-do. But this is why Chozen should be the absolute best in the series, better than anyone....because he *never stopped training*.

[@LetsGetitBoah]

Yes, Mike Barnes was a national champion. When he was a teenager. Mike Barnes relied on intimidating his opponents. Do you really think anyone is going to intimidate Johnny Lawrence? Especially at this point in his life? And who exactly at this point in time is much more well-versed in martial arts? Johnny is. There is a much different tone to a real fight, which is what we saw, and a tournament fight.

[@andrewmuzychko8201]

Yeah, and after fighting Terry Silver and a bunch of Sensei's from Korea in Silvers house, there's no way Mike will stop him after all that.

[@BumblebeeTuna8]

Mike Barnes in his Prime would've crushed Johnny in his Prime. Miyagi Do also saved Johnny.

[@LetsGetitBoah]

@@BumblebeeTuna8 based on what? Let me use this for an example. A boxer loses to someone in the amateurs. Does that automatically mean that he’ll lose to the same fighter in the pros?

[@BumblebeeTuna8]

@@LetsGetitBoah Mike Barnes was an upcoming Fighter being a National Champion who toyed with Daniel in the All Valley while Johnny nearly got swept by an injured insignificant scrawny little Runt with around 6 Weeks of Training as Kreese put it. Johnny only knew Cobra Kai while he's now trained with Daniel and Chozen learning many new Miyagi Do Moves which actually won him his Fight against Mike while Mike nearly had Johnny beaten despite being rusty.

[@alanguages]

@@BumblebeeTuna8 Mike is no longer in his prime, and he hasn't trained in decades. I am in agreement with you, that Mike was at a higher level back then. Imagine if Mike had a mentor like Miyagi for guidance. He would have competed at world's.

[@joeymercure8268]

It seems reasonable to me, especially because early in the fight we see Johnny using mostly Cobra Kai moves which ends up in him nearly losing the fight. However, when he starts using Miyagi-Do moves he starts to overpower Barnes, which makes sense because Barnes is not well versed in that style and it catches him off guard.

[@azazel7505]

Makes sense to me, a guy who stopped training let alone fighting for 30 years of his life vs a guy who has been rock bottom and has been fighting daily NOT only in tournaments but mostly irl fight where there are no referees and no points Johnny winning makes so much sense

[@Phantom-wt2nl]

It seemed that Mike quit because he’s still conflicted whether he’s angry or peaceful. He chose peace and “lost” because he didn’t have the heart to be angry.

[@jaquanellis2534]

Bro Mike literally hasn’t trained in 35 years. And Johnny has honed in his skills with eagle fang and miyagi do

[@djdenztherooster3006]

If you look closely at the close shots during this fight Johnny Lawerence wins because he was using miyagi-do on defense mixed with his offense so they were trying to show Johnny Lawerence growth

[@trickofthetrail]

I think Daniel beating Silver make sense. For two reasons. Firstly, we've seen Daniel rise to the occasion on more than one occasion. When he's properly focused and can let out his "real" karate, he can defeat almost anyone at this given time. Secondly, Silver had just gone through a grueling fight to the death with Chosen. This must have taken a lot out of Silver, so this made him much more vulnerable to a "focused" Daniel. There did also seem to be a sub plot developing indicating that Silver wasn't well. We haven't seen that play out, not sure if we will in the remainder of season 6, but that could have also been a factor. 🤷

[@heikira438]

Barnes just needed to get out of his system. He could have kept going, but he did say he was just itching for a fight and now he feels better.

[@7DD9Music]

2:47 there's no... NOOO FCing WAY...! that was my reaction when i saw it and i'm glad you address this matter, because it's hilarious for Danny boy to achieve something like that. Cobra Kai never Dies..!

[@Penguinzero1]

Danny beat Johnny and Mike

[@nealsmall9316]

​@@Penguinzero1What made Johnny Lawrence and Mike Barnes fight?

[@Penguinzero1]

@@nealsmall9316 Devin

[@M.C.ThomasReviews]

2:48 my reasoning for Daniel beating Silver is that Silver just had a huge fight with Chozen. If he was a video game boss, his health bar would have been less than half.

[@Penguinzero1]

Daniel didn’t get hit once

[@Bran-wy5xp]

It absolutely makes sense for Johnny to beat Mike. First, Johnny has been training a lot longer, and 2nd Johnny has been taught Miyagi-do karate from Daniel, a guy who has beaten Mike before.

[@tommyroberts4577]

in the 80s, barnes walks johnny all over. but in storyline, barnes said he was banned from karate which is all he knew. he wouldnt have trained in ages whilst johnny has fought kreese, daniel, the 5 senseis etc

[@justalpha9138]

I don't think that this fight was BS. The truth is, not only was Mike unbalanced after Season 5, Mike was also not focused on karate. Johnny on the other hand got back into karate and didn't stop. I dunno, those were my thoughts on the fight. I didn't hate the outcome.

[@Jus-X]

So while I agree Johnny has been keeping up with his training while Mike hasn't, another thing to consider it Mike put up a hell of a fight and started coming up on Johnny UNTIL Myagi-Do defense entered the fight, which even Johnny seemed surprised at its effectiveness. Also consider that Barnes lost to Myagi-Do twice prior to this fight.

[@blockzy7684]

It is a show you are being to logical. For instance in the last episode of season 5, Johnny would lose easily to 5 karate masters who have been training there whole life under Kim Sun-Yung, but he won, which is very unreal. Also, in part 2 of season 6 miyagi do is probably going to some how win, even though they are versing people who have been doing karate for there whole life, and everyone in miyagi do only has like 2-3 years of experience.

[@williamedward8477]

I agree that by the rules of 80s movies, the hierarchy when they were teenagers would have been: Mike > Chozen > Johnny However, there's a line that Kreese has in this season that indicates that Johnny may have been better than we realize. When he's talking to the Korean students, he references Johnny and said that he had what it took to be a national champion, but he ran into someone with more heart. I think it's also implied that Johnny may have been viewed as someone that could compete in the Sekai Taikai. So, it's possible that Johnny, being shaped by his life experiences, going through getting his life back on track, being a sensei, having relationships with his actual son and his karate son, having a good relationship with Carmen, and being a girl dad, he now has the heart that he was missing back in KK1. It's also possible, based on what Kreese was saying about Johnny (he also talked glowingly about him in earlier flashbacks as well) that Johnny may actually have more raw talent than Barnes, Chozen, or Daniel. This is to say nothing of the extra gear that Johnny found at the end of season 5, when he took on 5 of Kim Sun Yang's students mostly by himself (with the assist from Barnes at the end.) This was a feat that was so impressive, that Kreese even used it as evidence when speaking to Kim Sun Yang about how good of a sensei that Kreese was (his student took down 5 of Kim Sun Yang's students.) Also, of the people that we've seen take the pressure point stun move (Daniel, Kreese, and Johnny), Johnny was the only one that didn't panic. In fact, he tanked it, adapted his method, and still scored a point on Daniel. It's possible that with the exception of Kim Sun Yang (who the writers have said would be on the level of Miyagi), Johnny may be the best fighter on the show right now.

[@Penguinzero1]

Daniel has equal talent

[@Penguinzero1]

Johnny fanboy.

[@CameronMatlock-zm9hp]

That’s false. Chozen blocked the crane kick aka something that would beat mike very easily so that alone means chozen can beat Mike and Johnny. So it’s like this Chozen then next is Johnny then last is Mike

[@khrisliles684]

Facts

[@MKF30]

I think Dan beating silver makes sense he had a lot of experience from 40 years ago til today, no doubt he learned a lot more since Miyagi passed on top of some newer stuff from Chozen. Lets not forget Miyagi also trained Daniel for God knows how long, alot longer than the 3 years we saw and Miyagi owned Silver, Kreese and Barnes in their prime without even trying. Maybe Johnny vs Barnes is debatable though because Barnes is easily the most rusty of the 4 main sensais.

[@natedog101591]

I mean a drunken Johnny took down like 5 super sensei's from korea with very little help (from Barnes) while Barnes himself got knocked out pretty early on and only returned at the very end of the fight.

[@carljohnson6526]

Johnny fanboy spotted 😅

[@liquidocelot6294]

@@carljohnson6526 that’s not a fanboy. The man is speaking facts

[@daboulderboy]

Tbf Mike did smack the shit out of that one sensei, knocking him out with 1 punch, and later when Johnny was about to get killed Mike took out those 2 both with a single move

[@jaybling6687]

@@daboulderboy And under those circumstances, Mike was much more motivated.

[@daboulderboy]

@jaybling6687 So was johnny, and he still had to dish out entire combos to knock them out and yet he still got beaten in the end, and he was arguably more motivated than Mike because of his family

[@markrocksfordaze]

Rare Theory L. Johnny has been deep back into Karate for a couple years now and he’s learned other styles aka Miyagi do as well. Makes total sense for him to win this fight.

[@markrocksfordaze]

Even Kreese says Johnny was his greatest student and capable of competing at the highest level. You’re selling him short man

[@stephenrichmond3038]

Mike just got back in and then Terry vs Daniel they both had been drinking and Terry just had a death match with Chozen

[@henriquenunes3255]

Gaps in power level dont stay static all the time. Silver got into therapy and stopped training whilst karate stayed a part of daniels life after the KK3 events. The same applies to Mike Barnes and Johnny.

[@yourefriendjack873]

Mike was way out of practice, you could tell in the season 5 fights that he relied mostly on strength and not skill since he most tackled and threw people around, the one that was different was when he was fighting Chozen, but is seems like he stopped doing Karate long ago while Johnny probably got in tons of street fights over the years keeping him from getting rusty, other than Chozen Johnny probably has the least rust on him out of anyone from the original movies, in the fight at at the end of Season 5 Mike was rushing and grabbing people which would be terrible against someone who’s iconic move is sweeping the leg

[@Max_Payne19]

I’m not sure the time difference from s5 and s6 but keep in mind Johnny has been training none stop since season 1 which is abt 2 years in the ck universe where Mike barnes has only been training id say a few months so he would be a lot more rusty. And to also add on to it Johnny has also learned a decent amount of miyagi do aswell, but I do agree Daniel shouldn’t of beaten silver

[@williambreen4290]

I think the difference is in the fact that Mike Barnes hasn't been training consistently for years and became soft trying to focus on running his business! one way or another Johnny Lawrence has been training on and off the whole time so let's also considered the fact that Johnny Lawrence is more of a street fighter and Mike Barnes is more of a strict karate guy so yes I can definitely see why Johnny would win

[@dmac8382]

Bro there's no need to ponder, Mike Barnes would wreck Johnny & chozen back in the day, however due to Cobra Kai "progression" of the story, chozen kept training,& johnny not only knows Cobra Kai now he's learn miyagi-do from Daniel so he knows 2 styles,😅 while Barnes just getting back into karate

[@davidmorris7580]

i think its so funny how Johnny and chosen can barely take one of kims fighters and then a couple weeks of "special" training Johnny can take on five of them

[@mattsell2361]

Yeah that fight made no sense and the choreography was weird Johnny didn’t even like do martial arts he was just like tackling them

[@craigdorflinger9534]

First I am very glad to see you back on dude. Your podcast is my favorite out of the other Cobra Kai podcasts. You don’t talk fast, your not goofy, and I agree with your topics especially who should have won certain fights. If you want the underdog to win the fight you should write it in the story to seem more believable like when Johnny was focusing on the photo of the ultrasound of his and Carmen child it gave Johnny more to fight back for his life. I hope they don’t make the fight with Kwon lame in the Sekai Tai Kai tournament. Kwon is definitely a bad ass. I always loved Cobra Kai. But two things I hope for in the final season. I hope they don’t rush the series to be over like they do with most great series. For example GOT Game of Thrones. It seems like at the end they all want to move on to that next project and hurry to finish up their latest project that put the writers and/ or creators on the map. The second thing is putting Hilary Swank as Julie Pierce and Chad McQueen back as Dutch. I think Dutch was the bad boy of the Cobra Kai gang

[@nektariosh3470]

I think Johnny tapped into something when he fought those guys at Sliver's home. He has his confidence back and couple that with his training with Daniel, and he's probably the best fighter in the show possible exception with Chozen who has mastery on levels that we don't even know about. Silver was defeated by Daniel using Sliver's methods. Silver is such a great character and I'm hoping for a huge redemption arc for Kreese. Cobra Kai has been wonderful.

[@Jacoboli]

Also it wasn’t just technique with Barnes. He was just a really strong dude too.

[@brysonanthamatten2205]

Silver had alot going against him in the season five finale. He was fatigued and just got done fighting chozen. He was demoralized tired and injured. He's also 70 so those three things are way worse for him than Daniel or Johnny so I don't consider that Daniel victory more of a chozen Daniel victory.

[@dmac8382]

I don't know if anybody noticed that while Johnny started using Crane blocks he tried on silver obviously Mike wasn't prepared to defend against a sort of hybrid blend of the 2 styles that's why he lost

[@henriquenunes3255]

Putting all the "mike barnes is rusty" arguments aside you could also argue that Johnny is the better "street fighter". Something about Johnny's in universe fighting style seems very technical but also very fierce and powerful (dad strength). I am okay with Johnny winning. Daniel winning against Mike Barnes in KK3 was much more unlikely, yet he won.

[@Roge9]

johnny was training and has a balance of miyagi do and cobra kai karate, Barnes hasn't been in training forever. I'd be mad if Johnny lost to an out of practice Barnes.

[@redd3352580]

I do believe Johnny shouldn't won that fast but if Johnny didn't learn defense I think Mike would've had it cause once Johnny started using miyagi do that's when the ride turned to his favor Also maybe fighting top rank fighters like kreese twice, silver, and the 5 Cobra Kai sensei's gave him a huge experience boost as well

[@jkrunch2166]

Johnny has been doing karate all his life. Barnes put it down for years on end to focus on becoming a better person. Plus, Barnes learned to restrain himself, whereas Johnny fights tooth and nail when it comes to the kids he cares about.

[@JosephMarsich]

Johnny was using a combination of Cobra Kai and Miyagi Do . The same moves that Samantha used on Tory and should have one with . Thats how Daniel beat Terry . Its all about balance . I think that Master Kai will be Mr. Miyagi's Brother

[@FrankBorelloIII]

Just give me more Mike and Chozen. Period!

[@afranks8566]

I disagree with you when you say Silver is the ultimate for Miyagi. Miyagi dispatched him in 30 seconds in the 3rd movie. He was no match for Miyagi. The ultimate for Miyagi would be Kim Sun Yung. And i don't find it totally far-fetched for Daniel to beat Silver now. Silver is supposed to be an older man now, plus he was softened up by Chozen earlier in the evening.

[@B.Carter2345]

He "WAS" a champion. If he was his old self, he wouldn't have lost. Johnny has been training.

[@nicholascollins3012]

I like this cobra Kai channel better than other ones that are just making up crap for videos

[@Xivsk]

Bruh this man barley uploads 💀 other channels actually grind and give us fans updates what are you on about lol

[@nicholascollins3012]

@@Xivsk you can say grind all like you like but if they are just making up videos for the reason to have more videos on their channel I see a lot of bullshit video on cobra Kai that are way out there that make no sense that they are just putting out to have more videos on their channel

[@beentheredonethat5908]

It wpuld have been better ro redeem silver. Silver said no at first, said im not that guy, kreese had to poison his mind and heart again to get him involved. Silver could have been turned.

[@jasons8756]

The series seems to imply that while Johnny Lawrence has been consistently training martial arts throughout the years, Mike Barnes kind of left it behind for running a furniture store. So maybe back in the day Mike Barnes would beat Johnny, but not later in life when one of them has been more consistent with their training while the other hasn't. That's how I see it.

[@Jason-je3pq]

Daniel was fresh though and Silver just had a whole war with Chozen. Plus Daniel knew he was gona go for the quicksilver method and used it against him.

[@Penguinzero1]

Daniel was drunk

[@Slice2099]

I guess it makes sense because he’s not training anymore in years, but if he was still training to this day, he would’ve fucking destroyed Johnny

[@Zurround]

The timing is off due to aging but the version of Mike you described due to how amazing he was at 17 would have easily beaten even PRIME versions of Kreese and Silver. Maybe not quite as easily as Miyagi did but he would definitely win.

[@SINdaBlock411]

also, just because you fight at a "lower level" in competition doesn't necessarily mean you're by default the inferior fighter ... Johnny Lawrence was also hailed by John Kreese as a prodigy while I don't ever remember Kreese seeing Barnes as anything more than just a tool to mentally and physically screw with Dannyboy ... Kreese also claimed that the only time Johnny ever lost (aside from Dannyboy) was against another ELITE Karate champion called Vitali or Vidal or whatever ... and that even he struggled with Johnny at the time, despite bing far more experienced and skilled than Johnny ... I think you're either underestimating Lawrence or overestimating Barnes ... or both ...

[@LucidHimself]

I think it makes more sense Johnny wins this fight. He has been training for years now, evolved as a fighter completely compared to 30 years ago. He now has a hybrid style with Miyagi Do as well. I think if you factor all that in + Mike being rusty it makes more sense Johnny wins the fight

[@josephdennis-h8c]

To be fair, Mike was rusty at the time and focused most of his time on furniture

[@MrDarklight98]

I think the fact that Mike didn't get instantly bodied by Chozen, EVEN AFTER NOT TRAINING FOR YEARS, shows that he would be absolute alpha of all characters at this point had he maintained his training. Johnny beat Barnes mostly because he just has been back in it for a while. But if Barnes applies himself, even at this age, he could be ruthless. I just also think his killer instinct has been worn out.

[@dreadedotaku1860]

Dude Daniel and Johnny aren’t kids anymore they have been training still for years i think if mike kept training he would definitely be the strongest

[@bradfordmcdermott2063]

Terry was also tired out fighting chozen

[@Andrew-p4f4p]

Great video! I would’ve like to see more of a drawn out training time of something like Johnny finishing learning Miyagi-Do from Chozen and having that be the reason he beat Barnes. That would require more episodes this season 😌. I think in the 80s all three are very talented, but Johnny wasn’t automatically willing to go as far as Chozen and Barnes. I think Chozen vs Barnes in the 80s would come down to game plan with Chozen’s defense and being willing to kill vs Barnes’ offense since fighting dirty in a tournament against rules wouldn’t aid Barnes in a no rules fight. From a martial arts standpoint, we have talented fighters at my MMA gym and game planning/being able to use your strengths is what decides the outcome. The main reason Daniel beat Silver is Silver had a long break and just got out of a fight with Chozen. Sorry long comment but excellent stuff 🙏

[@edward6998]

dont forget johnny knows miyagi do now so he is rly dangerous

[@marshallmonroe8803]

Just rewatched it, and yeah, in the 80s, Barnes wins easy he even destroyed Daniel on the street and in the tournament until the last sec. But if they are going by the actual plot, it makes perfect sense. Barnes didn't train for years, and Johnny has been training the last few years, and even then, Barnes held his own it wasn't one-sided Barnes knocked him down and then Johnny knocked Barnes down and then gave up. In any combat sport, if you don't train for yrs and go against someone who has been training, you're probably not going win.

[@DLFLux]

I don't get why you can't accept it. Johnny just took on 5 senseis while Barnes was out cold on the floor, the dude is clearly a beast. He was shown to be equal to Daniel when they had their fight with the double knockout. Daniel, who beat Silver, by the way. It makes perfect sense.

[@Samu-VilleMattila]

Barnes had not kept on his training. He wanted to come back as his old self because Silver destroyed his lifework and he appreciated so much that Daniel asked his help. He took his old ego back trough the teaching and ended up underestimating Johnny. Johnny clearly gets his strength from the aggression after taking some beating first. We have seen this in his first fight with Kreese, his fight with 5 senseis and now with Barnes. He surprises his opponents with a kick in the face just when they think they have won. About the fight between Silver and Daniel. Silver is long-reach fighter who surprises his opponents with the cruel moves like the quick Silver method. He didn't have anything To fight for against Daniel and he was also hurt by Chozen first. Also he was surprised by Daniel using Quick Silver instead of being only defensive like in there first fight when Daniel didn't want it.

[@tammykolu1242]

Chozen beating him i could get behind he trained us soldiers and since silver is trained special forces it made no sense fir daniel to beat him he only know Basic karate moves

[@miguelcontreras-rivera5245]

This totally make sense what are you saying? Johnny has been training karate since the begining and mike hasn't and johnny now knows both styles so you're wrong.

[@michaelmattis8855]

I interpreted Larusso beating Silver for two reasons as well. One, he beat Silver at his own game through his own teaching to Larusso himself and two, Silver is human and probably tired from his battle with Chosen. And a third reason, he is the Rocky of the whole entire story defying all odds.

[@EvilEye172]

It was actually a pretty cool fight if you ask me. I’m really happy that it happened!

[@Raytmoney]

Mike Barnes wanted to fight but Johnny Lawrence wanted to win

[@EvilEye172]

I was actually very happy that this fight happened. It was by far one of my favourites this season so far. Mike Barnes is without question one of the toughest fighters of them all. He was more than likely very rusty and out of practice, as explained. Johnny has always had excellent karate skills and is a natural fighter. Plus the skills he has gained from Miyagi-Do over last year or two has made him even more formidable. However… is this fight happened in the mid 1980s when the were both around 18 or 19… I reckon the outcome would have been VERY different!

[@SINdaBlock411]

I also believe that back in the 80s, Barnes was - by proportion - much bigger and stronger than Lawrence ... these days, Johnny clearly bulked up a lot since then and so, the gap in strength and size has clearly dropped ... Lawrence was also no doubt the more skilled and determined one, while Barnes always relied on superior strength, brute force and intimidation ... even when Barnes knocked out that 1 Sensei (before getting caught off guard and knocked out seconds later himself) I felt like - if anything - he was using more of a wrestling takedown approach rather than karate type kicks like Johnny

[@phillipjohson]

Fr

[@petergriffin818]

At least we seen them spar a bit. I thought for sure they were going to KO each other at the end and wake up and give a nod of respect to each other

[@zarwaibanyashshakarbanyash329]

Everybody seems to forget that Daniel beat Barnes in karate kid 3, with some dumb kata moves. So Daniel can beat Barnes but Johnny can't?

[@generalgerry]

I think johnny won because unlike Barnes, johnny trained in both forms, both aggressive and defensive, which overpowered Barnes

[@mattc4266]

Terry lost to Daniel as he was fatigued from his fight with chozen

[@Penguinzero1]

Daniel was focused

[@Penguinzero1]

Stop making excuses

[@garyclarke9685]

Who cared who won. It wasn't a real fight & anyway I was just happy to see a fight between them.

[@geraldarmstrong5646]

Johnny has also learned Miyagi Do

[@Pandemik9]

Barnes would have been a little rusty, but Lawrence has shown throughout the series that when he doesn't underestimate his opponents knows how formidable they can be, he can stand toe to toe with them. Just like he did with Larusso, Kreece, and with Silver's Senseis

[@bleedingcrystal4722]

Chozen cleared it up for us on who won between him and Silver. It doesn’t matter that he had him beaten and allowed himself to be distracted. So with Robby losing to Hawk because he got distracted. Terry left Chozen for dead. Terry having just fought a more difficult opponent is why he lost to Daniel. It sort of mirrors when Daniel was able to skip straight to the finals against Mike.

[@Johnadams20760]

the reason daniel beat silver also was because he just battled chozen and wa exhausted

[@SINdaBlock411]

and I also believe that Johnny could've easily make it to the nationals, but ever since lsoing to Dannyboy not only was he mentally discouraged by this, but on top of that Kreese almost choked him to death for placing second ... I think that's when Johnny stopped training Karate until Season 1 from Cobra Kai, where you could tell that despite still clearly knowing and remembering a lot of his Cobra Kai skills, he was having issues with untrained goons the likes of Kyler and his baboon bully friends ...

[@phillipjohson]

Exactly

[@BrandonGonzalez-tr8ft]

honestly I think Johnny should have won easier lol. For at least the past year in universe Johnny fully recommitted to karate, he's been training and fighting against the highest level opponents he's ever fought against back to back on top of adding Miyagi do (which is basically the most broken karate style in existence) to his arsenal. Mike's been a retired carpenter for decades now and aside from one coked out night we he was incapacitated fairly easily hasn't really done any real karate that we know of. Even if they were both at peak conditioning, if Miyagi do can take scrawny Daniel who never really had any karate real experience and turn him into someone who ,even injured, was able to swiftly beat a two time all valley champ of the toughest school in the state then it should easily close whatever gap might have existed between Johnny and Mike

[@thomasmoore8505]

I’m a Karate practitioner and I was laughing and cringing at Mike Barnes when he wore a black belt with 10 stripes indicating he’s a 10th Dan. I did like the Shotokan patch but there’s no way he’s that age and holds that rank. I agree Mike would beat Johnny.

[@TheSpeedOfVideo]

Ikr lol, the karate style I train in 10th Dan is exclusively reserved to the founder of the style.

[@StryfetheWarrior]

Come on the channel sometime and let's talk about it.

[@LeeM1992]

You’re wrong here Theory. Mike Barnes is a shadow of his former self, he found some peace and normality in life, whereas Johnny never lost that chip on his shoulder, in fact it probably got bigger than anything. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard. Give both of them 3 months training and barnes whoops his ass 😅

[@mariorodriguezjunior]

Mike was national champ, but was it all styles like the all valley or was it for his particular style only? We don't know, but we do know that sometimes Karatekas are better point fighters than they are full contact fighters, & maybe Johnny is just the better full contact fighter. Also, Daniel is now the same age as Miyagi was when they met. Being almost the equal to his sensei would mean he has the tools to beat Silver, who Miyagi toyed with. It is what it is.

[@Bobersonman]

It’s kinda weird how Mike lost

[@TheOriginalRizk]

I get what you're saying man. But look at what just happened to Mike... his shop gets burned down, he has trouble with his wife, he even admits that he's trying to pick a fight because he doesn't know how to process what's going on in his life. Of course he lost, his head isn't in the right place. Johnny on the other hand, his head is EXACTLY where it needs to be at this point (what with the baby coming and all).

[@Chris-id3vt]

I think it’s impressive for Mike who hasn’t trained in karate in years to keep up with this current Johnny… if Barnes continued training I believe he would’ve won this fight

[@SINdaBlock411]

People say this fight makes no sense ... we've seen Johnny and Chozen struggle with that one Cobra Kai Sensei ... several episodes later Johnny is left to face 5 Sensei INCLUDING the same Sensei he and Chozen struggled with before and he was WINNING for a good portion of the fight ... also, Chozen and Barnes somewhat tied yet Chozen pretty much defeated Silver and Silver was always better than Johnny yet Johnny beat Barnes ... I think either abc logic doesn't apply (makes sense, because everyone is different especially in martial arts) or it's just random fan service in favor of whatever plot the writers of the show see fit ...

[@BarryJowers]

I have to disagree with you on Daniel beating Silver. When Silver beat Daniel the first time he hadn't already been in a big fight, he hadn't already taken hard shots from someone. But the second time around Terry was already been in a big fight with Chosen, just a few minutes prior. Also Terry is around the age of 72 years old? Time is undefeated. You add in his age, the battle he had already been through, plus there's the theory that Terry is sick and dying. Of course Daniel easily beat him.

[@TheRealRickGrimes]

Kreese said there was no kick that could have stopped Johnny in his prime lol. Basically saying Johnny was unstoppable. So it's pretty clear Johnny beats Mike especially when Mike hasn't done karate in a long time

[@DarthPyrusTheVirus]

That defies everything in the movies and is clearly Kreese being biased. Daniel fought all of them and said Mike was his toughest opponent, which actually does line up with how the movies portrayed them.

[@iwiwwh2002]

Well he's right as we see in season one when the show started the break up with Ali still affected him 30 years later imagine how much it did during the tournament in 1984 of course he lost and then the help of plot armor

[@brunosanz7477]

Not only is Kreese heavily biased towards Johnny (Is his weakness), but that statement isn’t even canon, it’s a deleted scene, KK1 Johnny with confidence was barely superior to a healthy Daniel in Kk1 And Kk3 Daniel is equal to Robby S2. Kk Johnny is just fodder

[@bleedingcrystal4722]

Revisionist history. There’s nothing in the movies that suggest Johnny was ever “on his way to being a world champion” like Kreese said. He was a local champion. Nothing more. Mike, on the other hand was being written about.

[@Zurround]

Kreese probably should have made one exception for the CRANE KICK as that totally took down Johnny ahahahah.

[@marshallmonroe8803]

In all fairness, Johnny was currently training and learned new skills, and Barnes just got off the couch. Barnes did best, Johnny, then Johnny bested Barnes and then gave up. Wasn't one sided and if there going by the plot Barnes wasn't active at all and did pretty good for not training all those years.

[@donovanjrichards]

I love you Theory but I have to disagree with you on this one. Skill, potential and reputation all come second if you do not train. Or if you don't have heart. Someone who trains one kick for 10k hours will always win with that kick against someone who can naturally do that kick amazingly without any effort.

[@lucarocks7866]

It's Johnny's show. He has plot armor

[@JMyoutube1]

Mike has not been training like Johnny has.

[@RevMazz64]

I mean they kinda painted themselves into that happening with how many of Silver's goons he took out by himself at the end of season 5.

[@alanpino5949]

It’s like Apollo beating drago

[@leerogish7223]

Johnny wanted it more than mike. To Mike this was just as he saw it putting a big mouth wannabe in his place. To Johnny this was a huge deal. Not only was he fighting for a Devon’s future but ever since he heard Mike was the badboy of karate he felt like he had to prove himself against Mike.

[@barrymichaels2663]

He got lucky

[@justinbryson352]

Realistically, I feel that Chozen would have beat Barnes, at the time when both were young, and in their prime. Chozen was a Master, I believe. He took on 4 Black belt senses at one time, in Part 2. You guys surely remember that, right? So, no, now way would Barnes have beat Chozen, realistically. He was Sato's top student, and he was probably studying Karate since he was like 4 years old, I imagine. And, yeah, Barns was very rusty, and I am sure that it why he lost to Johnny.

[@Pierre-LucBeauregard]

Johnny this season is probably the strongest fighter because he looks focus and balanced more than ever. He's the main character of the show, and I'm saying this as a Barnes fanboy.

[@mkyoyoyo]

tournament fights and real life fights are a lot different. I do agree with the saw take. That was dumb, they werent going to kill each other.

[@wojurera3131]

It made me Soo anxious with them fighting next to the saw blade!

[@CrankyBonesGaming]

That Lawrence vs season 1 ep 1 Johnny on the other hand....

[@MADMPRINTS]

Johnny clears every day, you don’t understand martial arts 😊

[@Ytqba]

He literally understands martial arts more than u buddy stfu 😂