Marvel Fans React to the Loki Season 2 Finale: "Glorious Purpose"

[@j2o2]

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[@air03man]

Now we done with Loki season 2 reactions or are we ?

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Glorious finale!!

[@jonathonsirlord8251]

Where's the rest of Ms marvel

[@Dracobyte]

Rewatching this glorious finale!!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Odin once predicted that both his sons would claim thrones.

[@quityourwaaaaaa]

thats because Odin had the forsight to see it.

[@Dracobyte]

At a high price...

[@RY-fz1rw]

Odin did not prophesy that both sons would have a throne. Odin's exact words were: "Only one of you can ascend to the throne, but both of you were born to be kings." This implies that Loki was born with the right to inherit Jotunheim as Laufey's son. Remember?

[@battleblaster4203]

​@@RY-fz1rwThor never actually got his throne though Thor was King of Asgard yes but he never actually got his throne because 1 Hela was seizing Asgard 2 Surtur Destroyed Asgard 3 Thanos Destroyed the Asgardian's Ship 4 Thor was too depressed and drunk to really be King 5 Thor handed it off the Valkyrie So Thor was King but never got the Throne Not saying Odin has that much prophetic wisdom to see the Multiverse just that Loki is the only one to actually get a Throne

[@RY-fz1rw]

@@battleblaster4203 In Thor: Ragnarok, Thor ascends to the throne on the refugee ship. Under the watchful eyes of the Asgardian survivors, he walks up the steps and looks at the command chair. Valkyrie says to him, "Your throne," and Thor sits on the throne. Valkyrie, Loki, and Hulk stand to his right, while Heimdall and Korg stand to his left. Heimdall calls him, "King of Asgard."Although it was brief, Thor did indeed ascend to the throne.

[@Jordashian93]

That was probably the most satisfying season finale to an MCU series. Loved every moment of it

[@Dracobyte]

Yup!!

[@Miracle12348]

Yeah but I’m still crying.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I like how Kang suspected that Loki would time jump and save him.

[@JosueOnYT_01]

Kang did say he wanted Loki to take over and he did 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Oropher420]

​@@JosueOnYT_01damn, what if Kang actually did plan for him to take his place and this was planned all from the start 😳

[@JosueOnYT_01]

@@Oropher420 “What If” Season 2 😳🤯😱😱😲

[@rudrodeepchatterjee]

​@@Oropher420he probably did. Remember, All HWR wanted was to make sure his variants didn't go loose. Loki did technically modify the TVA to take the Kang variants out, while also fulfilling his own wish of giving everyone free will. Just think about it. HWR is smart enough to predict just about everything Loki and Sylvie would do. You think he would give Loki time manipulation powers and not expect Loki to master them and do his own thing?

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

@@rudrodeepchatterjee Not quite. HWR knew Loki and Sylvie wouldn't take his offer the first time around, so he had to let Loki watch for himself what happens when they kill HWR and unleash the multiverse. Thne give him the timeslipping powers so Loki could return to the Citadel and to that moment. He Who Remains expected Loki to cave in and kill Sylvia and take HWR's place in the Citadel at the End of Time so that HWR would finally be free to do whatever he pleased. HWR _certainly didn't_ expect Loki to find "a different way".... because with Loki's sacrifice ending, HWR is still dead.

[@DJHolte]

Just giving another shout out to Natalie Holt and the incredible job she did scoring this show. The music ranged from silly, to heartbreaking, to incredibly epic. Brava!

[@bruce221]

That little part when Mobis says “Just let time pass.” 🤌

[@chrisgiles6050]

Yes, totally! She did an amazing job creating the score for every occasion that happened in the show and giving it the intensity, the darkness, the lighthearted emotion, the dramatic and poignant satisfaction, and tugging on the heartstrings. I want her to be the composer for Avengers 5 and Avengers: Secret Wars

[@ro4eva]

OMG her music playing in the background as Loki ascended to his new and sadly sacrificial throne had me tearing up. When your art is so good that it causes the audience to weep in response, know that you've achieved something truly precious in my opinion. I hope she realizes how important her contribution was.

[@MrRaoufdjamel]

Absolutely! I loved her since the 1st season! And she outed herself with the 2nd one. She made an epic masterpiece and I can't think of another composer better for the next Avnegers movies

[@paciiiimijak]

This score was beautifully tragic, the choir, the band, you feel his struggle with him! Natalie Holt 1,000,000/10

[@dailycarolina.]

When Loki wanted a throne, he couldn't have it. Now, when he didn't want a throne, he had to take it. I love that's how he got finally his Glorious Purpose. This season finale made me cried !

[@couchpotato8820]

One of the best character arcs in the MCU, from wanting a throne, to wanting nothing but friends, then ending up getting the one thing he feared, being all alone

[@jorgecabezas1966]

There is no doubt that this is the best show marvel has ever made. This felt like something fresh and superior than the rest of the shows

[@eat_pray_porg8450]

I'm torn, only because I like "Loki" (both seasons, of course) and "What If...?" (Season One) equally. 😎👍🏼

[@jorgecabezas1966]

@@eat_pray_porg8450 Oh yeah, what if as well, and the season 2 seems pretty amazing.

[@punkrockpollyanna7829]

I would humbly submit that Agents of Shield grew into its place next to Loki and What If

[@lordeternity-cr7nf]

​@@punkrockpollyanna7829if we talk about shows then daredevil has to be there

[@Dracobyte]

X Men 97 is slso pretty good.

[@dailycarolina.]

I hope Loki season 2 wins all the upcoming awards. The show truly deserves everything !!

[@Arbythor]

The Marvels did…

[@jorgecabezas1966]

@@Arbythor An award?

[@Megaproductions302]

@@Arbythorand? It was fun and enjoyable

[@paulcharles2532]

@@Megaproductions302nah bro that movie sucked

[@Khann_2102]

​@@Megaproductions302pfft

[@gardion160]

Lets not BS here, Loki season 2 hard carried this part of the MCU

[@Mjsports3730]

Literally

[@biashacker]

They really stuck the landing........,

[@TheFoolAltAccount]

Amidst the pile of trash, Loki is literally the only diamond.

[@elisanchez1938]

So true

[@gardion160]

@@TheFoolAltAccount true dat

[@CrankyGrandma]

“The god of sacrifice”. Yes. I loved this turn of events for Loki. “A time gardener”…yep, that too!

[@minenhlekhwezi6813]

12:41 "You're gonna walk through the big rip in the vagina looking thing" "Just walk through the time wholussy"😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@felwalkr_94]

Never again do I wish to hear the term “time hole-ussy.”🤣

[@Sansastories]

😊😊😂😂😂

[@mdntctyvlcn]

The same variants who created the chaos of the multiverse also repaired and stabilized it. Another ouroboros. Loki is absolutely my favorite character.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I cried when Loki took his throne.

[@chrislecount4801]

He has found his true purpose.

[@TheFoolAltAccount]

​@@chrislecount4801His glorious purpose.

[@abandonmarkspeare5213]

Wow back in 2012😢

[@okramando]

The power of that soundtrack cannot be denied

[@chrislecount4801]

I cried as well…tears of joy!

[@GojiraFan-in9oo]

That final scene was fuckin perfect Not only does he finally gets his throne, but him getting the throne was the answer all along ALSO ALIATH FINALLY ATE THAT BITCH LET'S GOOOO

[@JnEricsonx]

One person said "purple" I was like, GALACTUS?

[@IAmHavok]

We actually don't know if Aliath ate her. For all we know he could be her pet lol

[@GojiraFan-in9oo]

@@IAmHavok not likely at all. Aliath eats everything that gets pruned, and even then Kang only taught Renslayer what he wanted, which would never have included anything about Aliath

[@thedoctor3528]

Nope i read that the beast used to be her pet in the comics or something so the bitch is definitely not dead

[@AuntieL_ATL]

I don't think Aliath ate her. He probably knows her. Somebody had to tame it for He Who Remains so it could have been her.

[@da2001]

Epic finale, epic reactions! Thanks Marvel for giving us Loki

[@legodude54321able]

Yeah wow what a series, phase 5 and we got ghosts as villains. The series accomplished nothing. I’m just glad it’s over and they’re not making a season 3.

[@The_FallenKnight]

@@legodude54321able Bro stop being negativ and just enjoy it

[@Dracobyte]

Also X Men 97!

[@AlFazri-mi8ik]

There is the difference between the actor who know the source material, and the one doesn't. They put so much love on their project, they care about the audience.

[@Dracobyte]

Indeed!

[@XcL-Ignites]

🤧🤧

[@godzillarwby1755]

Season 1 premiere title: Glorious Purpose. Season 2 Finale: Glorious Purpose Classic Loki's final words: GLORIOUS PURPOSE!

[@Dracobyte]

Time is a flat circle!

[@becausewhynot212]

Talk about an ouroboros

[@JnEricsonx]

7:10 "Don't quote Taylor Swift to Tom Hiddelston!" Im dead.

[@TheOnlyHawkeye666]

Such a great character arc it has been for TVA Loki, I never knew about his arc about becoming the God of Stories but it was such a brilliant choice to make for this series. I really hope Thor can visit him sometime in the future of the MCU to see that his brother had good in him all along

[@X2K01]

I have rewatched Loki series finale several times now and i always start crying when Loki starts walking through the stairs on their way to the throne. Glorious purpose.

[@colleenross8752]

The reason the Time Stone is green

[@Dracobyte]

Wow!

[@kingabbasi8014]

🌚

[@Rensune]

That's... Actually really clever

[@mukhrizawesome]

And why red skull found the space stone in "the world tree" back in captain america

[@Rokr83]

it's the opposite , its the reason his favorite color is green

[@blackjk1234]

10:09 wow how did I miss this, the machine said "welcome HWR" right after Loki's arrival hint the ending lol

[@okramando]

I’m so proud of Loki. I’m proud for the writers. Well done Marvel.

[@Dracobyte]

Yeah!

[@weareparamore1597]

Love this finale, best mcu show since wandavision

[@raculpeper]

Yo that theme as he ascended actually brought tears to my eyes…no one had a better character arch than Loki. Thanks Tom.

[@houseofamma]

"Throne of Cables" 🤣🤣🤣 This was my FAVORITE episode, my favorite production from Marvel. This compilation gave it a beautiful touch. Now to binge-watch seasons 1 and 2 just because. 😍🥰

[@viniciusbarbosa5542]

Thanks for letting us revive that moment with all the content creators. You're the goat J2O, you're the best. Thanks

[@Dracobyte]

He deserves more subs!

[@eryniel95]

Can't even express how incredible this show was. It was GLORIOUS. This season- and this episode specifically- proves why Marvel is still around.

[@eat_pray_porg8450]

As a fellow person with ADHD, I agree with Ishara: being in Loki's new position would be hell. It might be entertaining and interesting at first, but then it will become boring and repetitive. (The actual task of dealing with the various timeline branches, that is. This show---both seasons---was beyond amazing! One of the best things to come out from Marvel/MCU!!!)

[@ro4eva]

Agreed and agreed. This show blew my expectations out of the water, especially in season 2. Admittedly, I went in expecting for it to be mediocre overall. It has made it to be very precious to me. There's only 2 other tv shows from Disney that have turned out the same way (blew my expectations out of the water). Ever. So I cherish them, even if I find Disney to be in need of restructuring.

[@larahedge8960]

Best marvel show ever and best recap channel. Now, let's get the writers of Loki to handle the rest of the multiverse stuff

[@jeremy1860]

Loki has been Marvel's best character, and it's only natural he'd wind up with its best show. Thank you for putting all these reactions together. It's been a blast 😊

[@Ant1992_]

Seeing Loki become the god of stories and take his throne was a literal masterpiece 🤌🏼 one of the craziest character arcs I’ve ever seen. Well done Tom hiddleston!! Forever our Loki 🫡

[@corvus4117]

Heavy is the head who wears the crown. For you, for all of us. Farewell Loki

[@Dracobyte]

For all time, always.

[@richfromqueens]

Been waiting for this one. The show aint over till we get these reactions. Loki music is really undefeated

[@neomoscoso10]

One of the greatest character developments in history. Period. Even if this one is a variant.

[@yeetster093]

All because hulk hated stairs..

[@Fern_Shad3]

Real

[@PlausiblyBryce]

Seeing all those green timelines reminded me of the Mako Lifestream from Final Fantasy VII. Also, Loki’s conversation with He Who Remains was my favorite scene. At first he was still playful and cracking jokes, but he took the conversation-and Loki-more seriously when they talked about the Loom.

[@Dracobyte]

Yup, specially FF 7 Rebirth.

[@Ghost8386]

Loki's magnificent destiny is fully embraced in the second season's sixth episode. As the guardian of the multiverse, he is willing to sacrifice everything to protect it. With a complete transformation, Loki has become an exceptional individual. Choosing to end the second season with the title "Glorious Purpose" is a clever and significant decision. It reflects Loki's personal journey and teases the thrilling prospects that await. In the sixth episode of Loki season 2, titled "Glorious Purpose," the show's essence is beautifully portrayed as it delves into Loki's quest for self-discovery and redemption. At first, Loki was convinced that his purpose was to dominate and control others. However, he eventually came to the profound realization that his true calling was to assist and honor every person, utilizing his abilities for the betterment of all. In the final scene, Loki's character arc takes a crucial turn as he sits on a throne surrounded by a vast network of branches. These branches represent Yggdrasil, the immense tree that links the nine realms of Norse mythology. Including Yggdrasil in this scene is a momentous and satisfying development for Loki's character. It signifies his acceptance of his newfound mission and responsibility to safeguard the multiverse. Furthermore, it is a poignant reminder of Loki's evolution into a heroic figure.

[@ro4eva]

Beautifully summarized.

[@ghostfac32006]

10:09 I just noticed this. As soon as Loki time slips there, the voice says "Welcome He Who Remains"

[@thatManoctane]

Good catch 😮..thats awesome

[@bigbuckz6014]

Odin & thor would be soo damn proud of loki for finally finding his glorious purpose 👏🏽🔥

[@chainreactions5807]

I remember Elder Loki in Season One yelling "Glorious Purpose!" when he sacrificed himself. It seemed that for the Loki, the Glorious Purpose was always to sacrifice himself. Same as Tony Stark...his journey was from Iron Man 1st movie to Avengers: End Game. Playboy Billionaire Philanthropist to the one who died to bring back half of the Universe. The writers of this show are amazing, bringing together the various Loki resources/storylines to this Epic series. Bravo! And...Loki's story continues 🙂

[@gregrizal5043]

He's probably really naked but he uses his power of creating illusion to cover himself.

[@kellymoses8566]

One of the best, most epic and satisfying endings to a TV show ever.

[@thefilmrookie3099]

Little late but I have to appreciate the editing. The bouncing off of each reactor, connecting what is being said to the other in tight cutting succession is impressive.

[@OroborusFMA]

The Mother of all redemption arcs.

[@bigrule28]

HE SAID "PUMPKINS" I LIKE THAT LOL😂

[@ar_reactions612]

Loki chose his burden. What an incredible finale.

[@bluejays25]

Not only was this a brilliant episode (along with episode 4), but it was easily the best finale of the Disney+ MCU shows. At the beginning, Loki was an arrogant jerk who felt that he was entitled to be a ruler and have a throne. He went on to sacrifice his way of life to save everything, ironically getting a throne in the process. It's sad yet brilliantly done. Also, huge props to composer Natalie Holt who I think composed the best TV soundtrack of the year.

[@ro4eva]

The music is freakin' glorious. It elevated Loki's ascendance to his new throne to such an extent that I teared up. When your art is so good that it causes the audience to weep in response, you've achieved something truly precious in my book. I really hope Natalie Holt is informed over and over again how epic her contribution was here.

[@ro4eva]

OMG this is incredible. And with the chills-inducing music, and realizing the tragic sacrifice Loki made here (after the longest arc in the MCU), my eyes may have "perspired" a little.

[@thedarkknight2221]

Loki has one of the greatest character arcs of all time. He started the show as a god who wanted to rule everyone and everything in the universe for selfish reasons, to a god who selflessly watches over and protects the MULTIVERSE, in isolation, from a throne outside of time and space. Mobius told him that he needed to choose which burden he could live with to fulfill his purpose, and as heavy as it was, this was the only choice in which all of his friends and family as well as all of the people of the multiverse would be saved. He is a true hero now. My heart absolutely breaks that this Loki is now and possibly always will be alone, but at least he can watch over everyone he cares for from afar. ALL HAIL LOKI, THE GOD OF STORIES!!!!

[@swayedkane5739]

This has been legit the best character development over any other marvel character

[@Joseph_R._Azevedo]

GREATEST FINAL EVER!

[@Kratosgreek6]

This series is absolutely amazing I really hope we see Loki return in secret wars

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

1. What a glorious end to a glorious Season 2 (and maybe overall series?)! I LOVE this show so much. 2. Long live the God of Stories! #LokiSeason2 #GloriousPurpose 3. (10:14-11:46; 11:56-13:03; 13:06-15:04; 17:44-18:13) *Burdened with glorious purpose* 4. (11:00-11:46; 11:56-13:03; 13:06-15:04; 17:44-18:13) *The God of Stories*

[@EckoEch]

When Loki is telling Mobius his plan and Mobius says "No", it's almost like he knew he was losing his friend

[@jrod485]

Definitely the best MCU content since Endgame. What they accomplished in 6 episodes was amazing!

[@captain_commenter8796]

It’s so fucking sad knowing that Mobius chose to “let time pass” so that Loki could see him in a timeline and know he was alive and well 😭

[@jakeyperalta007]

Wwooowwww. Odin, Frigga and Thor would be so proud right now...

[@mattymurakami1620]

Yessssss! Thank you! I've honestly been waking up every day for the past week hoping to see that the finale was uploaded. 😆

[@LytRoni]

If they don't do Ssn3 its actually fine. What an ending. As always, great video compilation. Thank you Johnny. ❤

[@dailycarolina.]

Well, Tom Hiddleston already said season 2 was the culmination of 14 years playing Loki. So, there won't be a season 3. However, who knows if he is going to return for Avengers : Kang Dinasty

[@johnsantos507]

​@@dailycarolina.Or Avengers Secret Wars movie.

[@cirrusB612]

If only Thor could see him now.

[@Dracobyte]

Or Odin!

[@bobigghhb3]

So satisfying to see everyone else sick of Sylvie and her bullshit

[@chelsearoses22]

I recommend watching him talking to BBC 1 interview with Ali Plumb. It's even more emotional hearing Tom talk about the moment he thought about and chose to say "I know who I need to be. For you. For all of us." Referring back to the beginning, Thor 1. And how he cried and it cut to a bts look at him bent over, how he cried before that final shot at the end. Tom was the one that ultimately got me into the MCU. I was a little late to the party but coming across a video with "some guy" named Tom Hiddleston, dressed up as a Loki at a Hall H at a San Diego Comic Con. I was hooked. I thought, "This guy. I don’t know who he is but i like him, i love him already!" For someone to dress up as their character and control a crowd like Freddy Mercury would 😅 Which reminds me, you cannot convince me otherwise....Freddy Mercury....was a Loki variant 💚 with a more shy and soft side in every day life. But on the stage.....😅

[@shanzhi3184]

There was a fanfic where Freddy was one of Loki's descendants…

[@chelsearoses22]

@@shanzhi3184 I believe it! 😅 Feels believable to me

[@diegoluna2549]

After in the end, Loki achieved that all this time he only sought to have a throne that could define what he is and give his meaning to knowing about his existence. It is a heartbreaking moment...it hurts that he is alone and they have given him so that his own narrative would give more depth and perfect development. It is the greatest thing that Marvel has done for the character and the entire long journey that Tom Hiddleston took. I adore him very much, and I hope it's not the last time seeing him. I still have faith in that!😭😭💚💚

[@ThornOfSociety]

Yup he essentially became Yggdrasil, the tree of life

[@vinsanity40k]

that was a good catch that loki was watching mobius (and probably all his friends) the whole time. he has that to keep him entertained. or he could use his loki duplication magic to show up anytime he wants.

[@bamber7579]

Thanks so much. Ive been waiting for this. Im happy you got to take your time on this. Your vidoes are top teir 😁😎

[@fredricotraversiere8868]

Loki Season 2 finale is Beyond Awesome Thank Job Johnny o Dell keep it up 😀😎👍🤘❤

[@almondiefrancis9451]

I can't say enough how amazing this show was...all of the seasons! I agree with the majority, that this is the best thing Marvel put out since End Game. Loki taking his throne was epic! Great reactions.

[@victor2641]

It was definitely not the only thing

[@lindodlamini2322]

If Thor and Odin could see this...I bet they'd be proud. Now we're only left with Thor to finally wrap up his story, he deserves better...

[@lucasalonso_r]

I waited so long for this vid, thanks for the remarkable work and effort you put in all of this. This season finale was so good and the theory that the time stone is green because of Loki lives rent free in my mind

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

I wish we saw Gator Loki again. 🐊

[@Verdaddd]

Ever since the new phase The only studs are loki, gotg vol 3, and no way home. Out of like 30+ projects, only 3 did amazing

[@jiyuhong5853]

14:59 he became the world tree

[@danieltorres8263]

Most purpose is more burden than glory. Now that's a heavy lesson for life.

[@SteveMND]

When the view pulled out to show Yggdrasil, I audibly gasped. Wonderful storytelling right there, and as horribly muddled as the whole 'multiverse' stage of the MCU has been, this is a nice attempt to try and pull everything back into what could be considered a cohesive whole again.

[@Totentanz23]

Ok... this is probably my favorite react video. GREATEST series finale ever!

[@uchihamadara3065]

You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself becoming a hero.....

[@mechamanblade8465]

Looks like he was right this whole time; He IS the Superior Loki!

[@amrosoronar1853]

Best Character Arc, 'nuff said!

[@geneticvega3038]

I hope he someday gets to reunite with Thor. Even if it's just once. Thor needs to know that Loki did right by him. I hope Odin and Frigga knows what he did. I know they would be very proud of him. Especially Frigga.

[@IkbalAdrn]

that was really the best show of MCU

[@atikaarab6374]

the best character development ever and the best send of for such an incredible and complicated character

[@crystalfire5564]

Thanks for bringing these together. Great job as always!

[@MrZomg17]

P.S the One with the Hammer that Kang refered to in Quantumania was Loki who becamw worthy of Mjolnr

[@ShamefulToaster]

@8:24 is my favourite people and it was super funny to me that Greg asked the question and Hector answered it. This edit is great. love this show.

[@diobility]

The best show of the MCU! What an arc!

[@jcj268]

This series was really fun to watch. I can’t wait to see what you do next with the MCU shows like the rest of Ms Marvel ad the new stuff coming out, especially with What If? Season two, and Echo

[@abandonmarkspeare5213]

That "Welcome he who remains" foreshadowing loki will become the next HWR. Great detail there👍

[@gregrizal5043]

Mobius staring at his own life in the end really is sad. He looks at his two kids which he doesnt have any memories whatsoever. This is what he could have been, and he will never be. 😢😢😢

[@blackchicken4192]

Thank you for another compilation season J20. Amazing as always

[@ahmed-ee9wv]

Loki series is my TOP1 of all MCU the character build is insane and the ending is nothing but amazing , this character one and if not top of my favourite. i loved all the actors they done amazing job and TOM gave this character true life. i hope he comes back . i still feel sad that it ended.

[@Sprmny22]

That cape flip was everything!!

[@sefaaydemir8657]

10:08 that's a real nice word play on part of the writers

[@MrsAli]

Thank you so much for uploading this... I've been waiting for this one...

[@billionairejanaire]

I first started watching your reactions to Loki season 1 and from there started watching your other reactions ! You literally helped me to subscribe to all these reactors and i thank you so much for that ! Ima stay tuned until we get other reactions but to see this end really hit home !

[@NeonSlice]

Most relatable character in the MCU

[@fool6220]

13:45 is me

[@philipkhoy7825]

I'm gonna miss The gurdians of the TVA so bad

[@KasukuGames]

Mobius had lived centuries outside of time he was glad to stand and feel every heartbeat beat and pass, lost in the last second, then the last minute, hour, day, week, month and years. That look in his eyes was the loneliest Ive ever seen... and I am glad he finaly got to feel it. Loki is hands down the best series I have ever seen! He has changed so much and I am excited to see his reunion with Thor, the season premier had Thor shouting Loki's name after he vanished. What did this do to Thor? Remember he came to earth to recover Loki and take him back. He must still be looking for his dear brother across the cosmos...because there is no Thor without Loki... and there is no Loki without Thor!