Towards a Metapsychology that is True to Transformation 6 - The Cognitive Science Show

[@EnemyOfEldar]

Thank you all so much. I want to praise and thank 3 things in particular: 1.) I want to praise, thank and admire John's humility in that this wasn't his wheelhouse, but contributed astutely anyway. I am willing to bet there is very little John isn't able to meaningfully contribute to. 2.) Zak's immense patience. As he said, this is "sort of his wheelhouse" and yet didn't get fired up until 45mins in. I deeply admire the patience required to "just" (not that it is a "just") listen to others talk about something you know quite well. I struggle with it. So thank you, Zak, for being the sage-like exemplar there. 3.) Gregg's infectious enthusiasm and definitely one of his best expositions of his system. Thank you Gregg! Thank you so much for the lively discussion. It was as Zak said: Productive and good in it's own pursuit. I already knew of Sri Aurobindo, incredibly, from my mom -- who read an amount of his work when I was younger, and said to me, about the time I was starting my Physics Degree, that she did not understand it, but that I would and that it contained physics. Ha! Funny mom. So he has always been on a reading list of sorts in my mind. Not that I could get through it! Ha! If Zak said he spend years on it, I have no chance! A little wiki-diving tells me that Aurobindo's system is nearly identical (by the admission of) to a Frenchman's, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's (who Zak also mentioned for a sentence), system "Omega Point" which used the then available cosmological and biological ideas (the big bang and other galaxies had not long been conceived of/discovered). That system seems very readable -- possibly because of all the western terminology, I am probably fooling myself there -- but seems like the kind of all encompassing "theory of everything" that I have always dreamed of (the quest of any theoretical physicist). Minus the resurrection. To me, though, the "theory of everything" really does have to be of everything. Which most importantly includes all experience. I don't know what I mean by that "experience". Not some master equation that when solved or computed predicts the time-wise unfolding of quantum and gravitational systems simultaneously. But something that can tell how or why everything, including physics itself, unfolds the way that it does. The stuff you're talking about feels like that. That's why my ears perk up when you guys get together. The voice inside says "They're circling around the thing you want to discover". So thank you for the being the planets processing round that glorious sun and taking us along for the ride. Finally, I want to ask if there is some set of volumes that could enlighten me as to the specifics (re: implementation) of Zak's philosophy of education. I am a teacher and I feel I already try to teach in a way I see as similar. That is the fundamental notions that the student will transform regardless and the role of the teacher is to work with them to guide that in an aspirational way. I felt like I was using "aspiration" in the way John explains via AwFtMC(re: music appreciation and wanting to be rational itself being a rational want) before luckily stumbling upon him, which is then why I was so magnetised to the whole series. All the resonances with already, dimly held notions. The thing I say to students most often is that they must "go beyond" the mere content as presented and demanded by the test. You have to see the world in a new way. Use new analogies for everything. See experience in the whole endeavour. It's what led me to be known as "the patient teacher" at my place of work -- leading to me getting all the problem students, which I usually relish at unless they truly don't want to be there. And even then I try. But at the same time, the system of training people to be teachers, esp. here in the UK, does not talk about this at all. And so when I try and pursue these new ways of engaging (which might lead me to talking for a whole hour to student in a student led way about what bricks are, or why water is wet etc), I always feel like I am risking something because it is not "of the system". And yet, being trained to be a teacher here is not "how to teach" it's actually "How to manage behaviour by threat and intimidation" and "How to show what you are teaching [Lesson plans and paperwork] (to another teacher) for the purposes of legally covering us when the inevitable students fail because we're not taught how to extract potential from every kind of student" and finally "How to not be illegal and safeguarding" -- which is of course, arguably, the most important part but at the same time, in my opinion, hinders the kind of openness required for the transformations to take place. What a monster of a comment, I am so sorry. Thank you all again and to any readers.

[@annemariesegeat9397]

I enjoyed your comment! I feel you! It has been such a great conversation between these three!

[@EnemyOfEldar]

@@annemariesegeat9397 Wow thank you so much Anne! 🤗. What kindness.

[@stephaniemodavis]

Coming from a 20yr yoga culture coupled with severe long term illness and near death event leading into multiorgan transplant...The states for me were the attainment through much practice, devotion, and then a meta experience (love) where the abstract or enlightenment after years pushed (by pure love) into bliss, super intelligent state, as to then nature life to me. But I was so "out" that I had to make a conscious choice to reground. Or continue to live. I choose that and what happened next what what I refer to as my real journey. The weight came back and I needed to integrate what happened while decoupling what was blocking me to that clear vessel. I call it integration, via shadow work and shifting the spectrum to rediscover that zero point. I feel most seek up whilst I found the work in grounding the meta. Really appreciate this logic coming from much of the intuitive. People like us should talk. 2 ends of a beautiful center/I am forever wondering why we are not speaking to more experiencers

[@jeffbarney3584]

@50:00 Zak drops into what Steiner refers to as initiation stages. The imaginal being the introduction to what Barfield calls final participation

[@sumedhyadav6572]

Wow! I experienced as being part of that dialogos. The engagement and investment was electrifying!!

[@badoedipus2551]

I LOVED this series

[@Mystery_G]

The introduction into this dialogue of Sri Aurobindo almost made me weep in gratitude. I cannot begin to express how thankful I am to you three in your attempt to forward a serious so-called "scientific" examination of the inner and outer realm. These kinds of discussions have been and continue to remain, imho, the most pertinent of not just modern conversations, but thee most direct efforts in affording (re)union - betrothing - with a sincere attempt to commune with ultimate reality that appears to provide an intelligible way through the meaning crisis. As always, thank you so much to you three for this series, and especially you John for the work you're doing.

[@jjuniper274]

😱 I didn't know you guys did this! Why is YT not sending me these notifications?!

[@williamjmccartan8879]

The journey that you have let us participate in keeps getting richer and richer. Thank you gentlemen. Peace

[@MahonMcCann]

Truly eye-opening series. Thank you very much gentlemen!

[@bradbear]

There are some golden riffs in these dialogos. 🙌

[@JiminiCrikkit]

Well that was outstanding...

[@domenicmolinaro6580]

Thanks for this series! The bridge between education/learning and transformation is much more intelligible for me now, as is how to think about human psychology. And I see something else on the horizon as well. Truly important work you all are doing, and true educators :)

[@somesecret]

Great series! Thanks gentlemen!

[@IMPERATOR540]

this series was epic

[@domenicmolinaro6580]

The articulation of a mental Big Bang of intersubjective-propositional-cultural layer sitting on top of an embodied layer was very elucidating wrt to grokking the RR/meaning crisis!

[@DamienWalter]

This has been an invaluable learning experience for me. Thank you so much gentlemen.

[@BrodesG]

That was beautiful!

[@leedufour]

Thanks Zack, Gregg and John!

[@johnvervaeke]

Thanks Lee.

[@evanblackie7510]

Thanks to all 🙏

[@lizellevanwyk5927]

I see the ego as a rosebud . The positive loss of ego is natural blooming. The negative loss of ego is the rosebud being crushed or the leaves being torn off to force the rosebud open.

[@projectmalus]

I'm seeing now two ways of living or perceiving, one has the expansive effect of being in Nature, and the other is the human culture world of adding points with segments, so objects added together as a concentrated effort in time, with value increased and a novel object sent out. No gain possible in a simplified world however. That includes the materials we touch, plastic and concrete offers less interaction. The expansive effect seems to be understanding and acceptance, the perspectival knowing I guess. Thanks for the video.

[@bradrandel1408]

I retract my question I understand I do the same thing it’s the frustration with duality I need to let go of control or wishing things were other than they are peace to all much love

[@jeffbarney3584]

When speaking about Aurobindo one can easily bring in Rudolf Steiner as a solid contributor to this dialogue metamorphic out of the Western tradition. He can help with Ontology in the sense Zak mentions. Steiner has developed a first second and third person epistemology in line with all of the traditions in a novel way. It would be extremely helpful in y'alls quest to explore that ground won by the Austrian polymath and the worldwide movement that has provided profound and fecund application in the sciences, the arts, education, architecture, social structures, economics (including banks) and agriculture. Check out out series @The Exceptional State following your 6 part series. We have done 5 thus far and are about to tackle this one from the perspective of Steiner's work.

[@Ac-ip5hd]

This series was so good, got a lot to digest. With different types of mystic experience and having connection to reality with transformation, does the psychological understanding of Alchemy show ongoing, non linear patterns between exterior patterns of transformation in nature, craft, experiment, an archetypal mythology, and personal experience in a transjective space?

[@fraser372]

Oftentimes I post comments that are overly long , not the expected witty or snappy retort ontologically speaking what I post is for my own benefit …using such a space and opportunity to post notes to myself ! Later I can read at leisure and either reconnect or further peruse .. So my apologies if anyone finds this approach annoying,,,,that’s not my intent ., Ty

[@bradrandel1408]

More please! Greg I have a question what’s the energy behind some of the words you use such as God dammit and fuck?☺️🦋🕊

[@carlt570]

I would question the demarcation or use of the term 'animal behaviour', in regards to 'mental'. There is now significant evidence that fungi and plants 'communicate' by complex systems. They may not have the same neural structures as animals, but they demonstrate a structural and chemical adaptation to afford intra, and inter communication. Fungal networks are now considered to be utilised as communication networks for the 'being' of plants. (Paul Stamets is a lead researcher/lecturer [also on KZbin] in this field. I feel this is important to acknowledge in respect of our (human) disposition to create divisions, our tendency to 'split' ourselves off from the 'whole', the Universal, from the 'Oneness'. This is clearly manifest in our treatment/exploitation of the environment/biosphere.

[@unifiedtheoryofknowledge]

This is a valid point, and I agree with your specifics. My frame on this is that living organisms exhibit much complexity and intelligence. However, mindedness or mental behavior, defined as the functional awareness and responsivity mediated by sensory motor neuronal looping in animals with brains and complex bodies is nevertheless a different kind of complexification.

[@kwan7278]

All I feel like saying is WAGMI in NFT terms.

[@jgarciajr82]

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