The Cult of "Thermomix"

Today we take a look at the bizarre world of Thermomix and their business schemes.
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[@tiffanyspliff9623]

"This sorbet is so hard to make and it's so good" Me with a 15 year old Vitamix: "Whoops, turned this smoothie into sorbet, oh well"

[@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118]

My ex had a vitamix and it turned what was supposed to be a protein shake into a fluffy and very thick mousse. What a happy accident that was.

[@xanderplayz3446]

Yeah, Vitamixes are awesome.

[@doodeedoodee]

I laughed pretty hard at that one. Sorbet is like the easiest frozen treat to make.

[@jennoscura2381]

I have a juicer with a a solud peice that replces the screen. If you put frozen fruit in it, it grinds it up and spits out sorbet. You can also make nut butter that way. One of these days I may have to pony up for a vitamix. But my Nutri Bullet is still going strong. Yea I had to buy replacement blades. But the motor base is still working years later. It's a great blender aside from a smaller capacity than a Vitamix.

[@yberlebenskynstler]

joinen crossing over into the anti-mlm space is something i didn't know i needed.

[@eli-se4zb]

Now I cannot live without lol must get more!

[@punchdrunkassassin]

My worlds are colliding 🥹

[@ThatDragonBlue]

I haven’t watched the vid yet, and I thought you were referring to malexmale when you said mlm, and tied with anti I thought Joinen went to the homophobe space, and I got scared LOL. Edit: said homophone lol

[@Eli-wl8es]

now let's just hope he won't follow into the "exposing shady businesses while yourself being shady af, plagiarizing shit, and threathening to sue people into silence" space like some other youtuber who focused on anti-mlm content did... (**cough cough** Iilluminaughtii **cough cough**)

[@Vict0r__FR]

@@ThatDragonBlueHELP SAME 😭😭

[@fluffysharkdatazz9460]

“I’m not sponsored or biased, I just always purchase a $1000 neon sign for every brand or topic I talk about”

[@ArispeMatt]

"You see, I have discovered one crazy loophole in [local nation]'s tax code that makes a thousand dollar sign per brand a great tax break. For just three easy payments of 49.99, you can get my book on these helpful savings They don't want you to know about."

[@waifudefenders]

It changes through the video, it's interchangeable letters

[@System_Spark]

One of my biggest problems with “it can do everything” sort of kitchen devices is that even when they *do* work as advertised, now I have to clean it like 5 times if I wanna make a single fancy meal. Yea, I know I’ll have to clean just as much with different devices all achieving this, but I don’t have to clean nearly as much *while* cooking. I can actually just enjoy cooking and not have to scrub things every 10 minutes so I can move on to the next dish. The convenience of “it can do everything” is actually an inconvenience of “you’ll have to wash this 8 times a day.”

[@ninjadogs3389]

YES! this! its like those things that can chop all your veg, and your chicken and all that, there are so many nooks and crannies that it makes it hard to clean, I use it once and it sits by the sink waiting to be cleaned for so long, then I eventually clean it, and it goes in the cupboard unused for the next year gathering dust and taking up space. It is so much easier to cut the veg and meat with a knife and cutting board and then hand wash them, then it is to deal with cleaning those make your life simple tools.

[@chronischgeheilt]

Depends. I actually have more cleanup since my electric cooker broke and I'm Back to pots and pans. There is Gadgets where you can Cook all parts of the meal at the Same time.

[@BitmapFrogs]

ah you the fine people who make thermomix have thought of this and they sell thermomix companions, essentially a thermomix without the smart bits that connects to your thermomix so it knows what to do

[@kenenigans]

I honestly enjoy using multiple things in the kitchen when I cook... I would never get something that "can do everything" ... and yes I do hate cleaning up after myself but that's part of it 😂

[@friedmule5403]

Not a fanboy, just an owner of a cheaper clone of the product, but you do not have to clean in that way.:-) Imagine you have a cooking pot, you simply just put one thing in after the other and follow the instructions. In the end, do you have a ready to eat meal. The only thing that that machine does that your pot does not, is to guide you. It weighs, stir, blend, cook, fry, souse vide, steam boils, and so on, including a timer, so you end up in only having to use one pot for all tasks and clean afterward in the dishwasher.

[@clarab325]

pls my aunt and uncle have had something similar for years and they constantly talked about it to the point my entire family started making fun of them. it seems like this appliance single-handedly runs the house, takes the kids to school and pays the bills too

[@mags31]

As long as it's paying the bill! Don't have money left after buying sounds like😂

[@paranoiarpincess]

The ONLY difference between an MLM and a pyramid scheme is that an MLM has an actual product or various products involved. Pyramid schemes is just “investing” money until the prison at the top has exhausted their resources and can run away with all of the money, whereas with an MLM you enough ally have a shitty product or two that you literally spent all of your money on in the meanwhile because it isn't a sustainable “business model.” (it isn't a business model at all but people like to claim it as such.)

[@ArturGlass.C]

I thought MLM were a category of Pyramid schemes ??

[@chronischgeheilt]

What you describe is still a pyramid scheme, just a product based one, they are a thing.

[@mightymeatymech]

ty i actually didn't know this info.. now it makes sense /g

[@paranoiarpincess]

@@mightymeatymech no problem :) I used to watch a LOT of anti-MLM stuff. It's quite fascinating and now any time I hear anything even a little MLMy I start feeling so sorry for those who fall for it. I feel silly though, I know what /s means but what does /g mean?

[@SpaceManRD]

@@paranoiarpincess "Genuine", I think. This also explains why the products pushed by MLMs tend to be so cheap, and worth cents to manufacture. Leggings, candles, supplements, shitty kitchen knives... it's the bare minimum to skirt the law.

[@supersammos]

As a professional baker the thermomix is great, but the way that shit is sold is harmful as fuck. You don't need this shit at your house. It's intended for chefs and other culinairy pros. The older ones are better then then new ones too imo. Not everything needs a fucking screen. Tactical buttons are goated on this shit

[@AkhierDragonheart]

I hate the move to screens for everything. Buttons are a simple mechanism that works and when it doesn't work? You generally can fix it by replacing a cheap pcb or even cheaper button. If a screen goes bad, that's going to cost you a pretty penny. And I went to school for IT, even if I don't use the degree for anything atm, so it isn't like I'm against technology. I just want a button that clicks when I press it and works. Need the button to do multiple things? Do it like the gas pumps where I live that have buttons around a screen which allow them to label those buttons whatever they want.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

If Mrs. Jones spends that much on a gadget, she might as well get a Hobart and have her kitchen upgraded to support it!

[@AiraRia]

thermomix is ABSOLUTELY a cult. i used to have a friend whose mom had one when i told my friend i preferred regular hands-on cooking she nearly cried. they used their thermomix for EVERYTHING, like even just a regular hot chocolate, it was insanity.

[@sam-ib6lk]

i had a friend's mum who was the same 😭 she had like 3 different models too so she could make multiple things at once

[@Alicja09]

Okay yeah THIS is insanity. Like there is one at home rn but we use it for propably less than half the dishes we make, mainly desserts I think. Tbh it's just a thinf of convienice but over the year the prices SKYROCKETED.

[@PossiblyTina]

In every job I've had, there was at least one colleague trying to sell everyone a thermomix.

[@bboops23]

"It can do everything." Yeah I heard that before. Looks at Magic Bullet infomercial wistfully.

[@dieseldragon6756]

Certainly looks as if it can leak your personal information with greater ease than any British airline... 😉

[@jrr851]

Atleast the magic bullet doesn't cost a mortgage payment.

[@bboops23]

@@jrr851 yup and it also had the world's best infomercial. It's so out there in the best way.

[@dieseldragon6756]

@@jrr851 _Me: Laughing in imminent hyperinflation..._ 💷📉😉

[@MyMika2004]

whats wrong with a blender?

[@VixxyCopeland]

I don't see why anyone would want this thing? In my Instapot, I can make rice, slow cook chili, sous vide my steak, steam my veggables, and bake a cake. And anything else that it can't do , I have pots and pans to do that. That instapot was 40 bucks at a goodwill. Gadgets are super cool. But you don't need em to make a really good meal

[@justaperson4656]

I think it's supposed to prey on disabled people tbh. Like the slap chop (which I went to buy, before noticing all the reviews were 2*), it's marketed to people who find it difficult to cut things on their own, be it through poor motor control or another disability that affects cooking (I can't stand up for too long, for instance). They legally can't say they're marketing to disabled people, so they instead market things as "miracle products" so they can say they're marketed to able bodied people

[@fiarubold]

​@@justaperson4656i use a slap chop if I have to chop small hard things like nuts, but that's about it. Otherwise a knife is fine

[@machematix]

It's not for home cooks. Fine dining restaurants have used them for ten years to make the best purees and sorbets and stuff like that, but I'd never buy one for my home even if I could afford it on chef's shitty wages.

[@jennoscura2381]

The Instant Pot is great. For my larger Instant Pot I got a Michaelangelo air fryer lid. So that IP primarily does air fryer duty. My 3 quart does Instant Pot stuff. But if I ever want to make a big batch of stuff, my larger IP is there.

[@audhdcoder]

Welcome to the anti-mlm space Joinen ;) Pretty much every MLM acts like this, they are often referred to as Commercial Cults

[@dieseldragon6756]

What's quite interesting is seeing that a lot of the MLM content Joinen features in this video actively competes against other MLMs. Look at that third-party ad on MLM1 where MLM2 tries to drive potential customers to using only „authorised¹“ ThermoMix agents! 😉 (¹ - You can bet your bottom Dollar, Pound or Euro that the only _„authorised“_ agents will be MLM2 and their immediate friends and family... 🛂)

[@daftoptimist]

This sounds a LOT like an MLM. It sounds like the Kirby of kitchen appliances.

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

It can really do a lot of things but the whole idea behind its purchase is VERY much MLM

[@Lyysabeth]

That is because it is an MLM lol

[@a_lethe_ion]

Sucking everything?

[@jennoscura2381]

I once went to a job interview for a job I saw in the newspaper. It wasn't until the interview that I found out that it was selling Kirby door to door. Glad I didn't get the job. My mom got scammed by a Kirby person once. My mom gave her old Kirby to my sister. When the sales lady came by my mom decided to buy a new one. But she ended up charging her mind and handed back the vacuum. The lady said she would refund the charge. Never got a refund. So my mom ended up paying for a vacuum she didn't get.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

My late grandfather made good money hustling vacuum cleaners. He got a sweet ride and got the girl he was interested in because of it!

[@theultimateorange5046]

When I clicked on the video, I had no idea what a thermomix was. Well, I searched it up, and it turns out that in my country it's called Bimby. I have one, my grandparents also do. It's really not a big deal here, I just use it to make soup 😭

[@chiarapetrella5266]

Hold on Are you Italian?

[@theultimateorange5046]

@@chiarapetrella5266 no, i'm portuguese but yeah i think it's called Bimby in Italy too, I found it when I searched it up

[@chiarapetrella5266]

@@theultimateorange5046 yea that's why I had the doubt X3. Over here is also pretty popular, but in a relatively normal way. My mum is full of these cooking gadgets and tbf they do help to do stuff quicker, but as someone else said the main problem is cleaning them ._.

[@anyway.ilovemana]

Yeah thermomix is just a glorified soup maker, that's all it actually good for IMO

[@user-wr2uy9pj4m]

7:15 "We're not just cooking Hummus, we're changing lives"

[@oroontheheels]

For a moment I didn’t understand why this product is even being advertised when it’s just glorified multi cooker. But turns out it’s not even multi cooker, it just mix things and warm up things?? That’s it?? Multi cooker can make yoghurt, soup, stew, bread, rice, potatoes. And only for 150$ (I searched most common model on Amazon). And it almost always comes with a free recipe booklet + millions of free recipe online. But this + planetary mixer (another 150$) + food scales (10-30$). Boom. You can cook almost every dish easy and lazily. This 3000$ glorified mixer is a joke…

[@bboops23]

I've never even heard of a multicooker, but now I have new tool to look up.

[@larifari12oder3]

No you can also chop, grate and bake with it. But yeah it's a glorified multi cooker, way too expensive at 3k. There are cheaper ones between 300-1k but I dunno what makes them different

[@oroontheheels]

@@bboops23 it’s a good kitchen tool! Especially those that come with free phone apps. There’s easy to navigate menu and many recipes. Just check the reviews first, because some of the cheaper models can give food a bit of plasticky taste and nobody wants that.

[@bboops23]

@@oroontheheels thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to explain what to look for!

[@dovahnok0957]

It does cook things up to 100c (soups, stews, pasta, etc). And it is useful depending what you regularly make and what your lifestyle is. My family moved a lot, so every extra appliance was a liability that we couldn't afford. However I don't recommend Thermomixes to anyone, as it is a very edge case tool that is useful for maybe 1% of the population

[@erikarussell1142]

It’s amazing how we’ve made it this far without these “amazing tools”. How have I been making my own recipes and been cooking all these foods by my own lonesome all these years?!?

[@dieseldragon6756]

We had _different_ tools to hand in the past that are sadly no longer with us. Just look at British-built steam locomotives: No better way to cook a morning fry-up than in the firebox of one of those... 🚂🍳🥓🇬🇧😋

[@NightmareRex6]

@@dieseldragon6756 hey rockerfellers cant make money on train gas if they still just used water and wood eh?

[@wsippel]

Thermomix is Vorwerk, Vorwerk products have cult-like communities, but the devices are extremely well built (and over-engineered), and they offer excellent support. Or used to, it's been a while - they've been around for ages. I knew a couple people who had Thermomix units and loved them, but they were mostly used to make various fruit preserves (I believe that's what they were originally designed for) and sauces. And that makes a lot of sense to me. That stuff can be done pretty much entirely in the machine, and it's easy and convenient enough so users were motivated to experiment. Just make a small batch, test it, change ratios and ingredients until you come up with a cool recipe, then make a few glasses of your favourites, or make custom recipes as gifts.

[@stopske9332]

So you're telling me that not only does the termomix hype still exist in some parts of the world; they're also running a pyramid scheme in Australia? What?!

[@dieseldragon6756]

It's when you find them successfully running pyramid schemes in Egypt you have to _really_ start worrying. People there have already known about them for over seven millenia... /groan/ 🙃

[@lodowawruszka]

and in Poland :")

[@jrr851]

And New Zealand

[@Alicja09]

​@@lodowawruszkaYeah.. *looks into my kitchen* At least my mom got smth extra and bought it when it was for 76 dollars not 300+..

[@billthorton6388]

At 8mins I realized they use the "sunk cost fallacy" to sell these things!

[@ZBarl]

This machine cost more than my brother's sous vide. Which means to me anyone who isn't hardcore into cooking has no reason dropping that kind of money on a kitchen appliance, and anyone who is into cooking hard enough to buy a kitchen appliance that expensive certainly already have appliances like scales and mixers, and is better off buying more sophisticated or unique products

[@itsmeheadache6126]

yeah, but that’s their point. ,you can’t cook? with this thing you will with great success’ i was buying stand mixer lately and everyone around was asking why not thermomix. i answered ,i can cook, why would i need this thing’

[@Qrtuop]

You can do sous vide in Thermomix too lmao

[@jeanlou3]

Why is the sous vide the reference for expensive thing lol. A great sous vide stick is what, 200$?

[@ZBarl]

@jeanlou3 it's not necessarily an example for expensive thing, but an example for a product that I think only someone who is really into cooking will invest money in buying (and yes 200$ is a meaningful sum), so I don't see a reason to invest more into a kitchen appliance if you're not really into cooking

[@Sleipnirseight]

​@@jeanlou3$200 is a LOT of money to spend on a niche kitchen gadget. Especially in the current global economy where people can barely afford to keep a roof over their heads.

[@viktoriak4332]

I cant help but notic that none of those recipies require grilling, sataying, baking or frying. Just blending and heating.

[@gabijankowska4625]

Omg so these are massive in the polish community! My mum almost fell out with friends over the thermomix as she refuses to buy one. Everyone swears they don't get a commission but the way these are pushed is absolutely insane (she legit got shouted at in the street during a dog walk)! Also after you buy it you have to pay for a subscription for the recipes after you buy the bloody machine!

[@lillexus5589]

It's big but not massive to be honest, lots of people in Poland have already exposed the product for being overpriced and advised to either skip on the concept completely or buy a cheaper alternative.

[@OcyTaviAh]

Yeah this is an MLM (multi-level marketing) which is basically a pyramid scheme. My mum got into this in 2011, with the original thermomix. She was so into it that she bought 2 of the first model, which didn’t have the in-built computer or recipes at all, you manually chanced the temperature and speed and time separately. The biggest idea of buying it through a personal seller is that people won’t be able to fully utilise it well on their own, so it’s not that easy to use I guess lol. She only left when they came out with the new model and didn’t tell any of the people selling until the day before it launched and she genuinely felt betrayed. Thermomix does heat food up, but the part of it that’s actually trademarked is the blades being a unique shape (I literally did a school project on it in 2011 because my mum was so obsessed). Because it’s been around a while now, there’s several decent copy cats that are equally as good for a fraction of the cost, essentially being the same tool under a different name. MagiMix is the one I have.

[@oulimatan5661]

Well my mother and I simply bought the "Monsieur Cuisine" from LIDL (german supermarket chain) which costs not even a fourth of the price of a thermomix. LIDL actually got sued by Vorwerk (producers of thermomix) at least two times but they keep getting away with it - at least their recipes are for free💁🏿‍♀️

[@gwenp3450]

At this price, it better do my grocery shopping, food prep, and wash dishes for me!

[@raelineskitchen2320]

If you use the menu planning function you can generate a doing list and send it to online shopping! It does also have 5 different pre-cleaning

[@jrr851]

​@@raelineskitchen2320Are you gonna share your referral code too?

[@LeTAlLtHeEaRTHsING]

I had a thermomix, got it about 10 years ago.. it really was great and I did use it a lot, but the issue is that in a perfect world you would be able to have a time to prep EVERYTHING before you can use it in the thermomix most of the time. It saves time in cooking but it still needs a lot of time in prep - that’s one of the biggest reasons I stopped using it.

[@KazuNEET]

Make joinen buy a thermomix for the 1 million sub special.

[@leaha8602]

You know what else can do everything? My hands.

[@SmashedHatProject]

just buy a food processor for $70 and an air fryer for $80

[@dieseldragon6756]

I managed to save money on the air friar: My local Vicar holds a pilots' license... ✝🛫🙃

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

WTF I was literally invited to a typically German Thermomix party last week (my bff has one and needed a new grinder for it or whatever, so she had to throw one for a discount) and now you grace us with a whole Video about it?! 😂 Coincidence?! I think not 👀

[@dieseldragon6756]

MLM *exists* in Germany?!?!?... 😳

[@D0MiN0ChAn]

@@dieseldragon6756 Vorwerk is a German brand. and the earliest Thermomixes are from 1980, so yeah :D It's a whole thing, right next to Tupperware.

[@unitlonda4925]

​@@dieseldragon6756Surprisingly enough, the Thermomix is *really* popular in Germany to the point that it feels like every 4th household actually has one of these things and they all swear by it. And yes, unfortunately mlm do exist in Germany. For one, Thermomix but then also very prominent is Tupperware

[@blahblahblah007ish]

I genuinely did NOT know Thermomixes still existed 🤣🤣

[@lisamerkel]

the scariest thing for me is that unlike other mlm schemes and internet 'trends', the thermomix has actually crossed into the real life for me

[@ArtoriasNX]

In fairness to that Awarehousechef dude he does have different light things for every thing he reviews, so it's not just a thermomix one lmao

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

Why? He reviews other things. So what? He's selling thermomix also. Him saying unbiased is incredibly disingenuous

[@ArtoriasNX]

@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme I just meant literally in regards to the light thing in the background only.

[@igotes]

The sign thing is probably a kit with a whole load of illuminated letters that you can build your own "neon" signs with. Like a fancy fridge magnet alphabet.

[@lynbattersby]

I can't speak for the consultant stuff, but... My son died 4 1/2 years ago. I got a life insurance pay out as a result. I didn't want it, so I put it aside for a year. 12 months later, I decided to use a portion to buy a Thermomix. These days, my husband and I come home from school (we're teachers), throw food into the Thermomix, and crawl into bed. Are we depressed and grief-stricken? Yes. Do we eat well? Also, yes. Best money we've ever spent.

[@lillexus5589]

Very confused about this comment to be honest

[@elisewaddell4659]

Thermomixes are really popular in food development/food science labs. Most of the ones i have visited have at least one. Its the benefit of having mixing and cooking at the same time, to a set temperature without hving to hover. Super helpful for hydrating powders and pasteurising beverages, ice cream base, caramel sauce etc. And they're easily to clean so it you’re making 10 batches a day its not horrible for the technologist. But that also paid for by companies, and they save on having a salaried employee watching a thermometer while stirring a pot. Idont think it's worth it for regular people at all

[@mrflappie6553]

Exactly this. During my culinary school time I was able to get an internship with a Chef that did a lot of experimental cooking. He also had one of these things, and it's really good for what he was doing. Was very nice to use one for a while, but I think it's a real niche product. Not something to have in my own home kitchen.

[@tiny._.sxnshine]

I always thought a thermomix is for people that dont like cooking but wanna seem like they do

[@friedmule5403]

I own a Lidl version that costs 1/3 or less, and it is in fact amazing to use, but nowhere near the hype. What is great about the Lidl-version is that it's all free from there, and you just select your recipe, follow the steps, and you end up with a fairly good meal, cake or whatever. If you are an idiot in the kitchen as I am, then is it extremely useful, else is it just ok.

[@ThePieMaster219]

I've always been eyeing the Lidl version but I never really managed to find good reviews on it; Good to know at least one user say it's basically no different from this overpriced and overhyped quasi-pay per use crap.

[@friedmule5403]

@@ThePieMaster219 I am happy to help:-) Just so you know, there is a big difference, but mostly in the positive direction. The screen is much, much larger and I feel that you can get more accessories to it. One bad thing is how the lid gets closed, on the Lidl-model do you have to press the lid down and then turn it or to open, do the opposite. This means that you have to be careful when opening if it's hot inside, and the lid is annoying in the start. On the other hand, are there mo reason for getting the "original". All recopies are free and gets automatically updated. One thing that annoys me is that I can, for the life of me, not get the machine to connect to the phone-app, it may just be me, but I have never managed to do it.

[@dovahnok0957]

Thermomixes are very useful... if you cook/bake a lot. My mom easily uses it 5+ times a day, and since we move a lot it means she can move fewer appliances around. However, it's not for everyone. Most people can easily get by with a cheap blender and mixing bowl

[@Megu_Byte]

I've been super into anti MLM content recently... So I'm surprised to see Joinen show back up on my home page with MLM content lol

[@mrscookie8142]

I only have one because my mom upgraded to the newer model. It's nice to have but not necessary. I enjoy using it for risotto, soup or chopping a lot of veggis.

[@knutjran5397]

As a professional chef who have worked whith and whithout a termomix i have some innsight. A termomix is just a blender whith a heating element thats it, but those to characteristics together can do allot of kitchen work. it is realy nice to have as a tool in your belt because it is so versatile and it is one of the best blenders i have ever used. just the fact that it can keep a stabile temperature and stir at the same time whithout supervision is awesome. can you do everything whith out a thermomix ofc, but it realy just makes life easyer in the kitchen and is a exelent tool As for home cooking is it a must have? not at all, why do you need a allmost industrial luxury bender for you homecooking for 2-4 people? its just a wast of potential for the mashine, and it takes up allot of space, and yes the price is expensive! so unless you are chef or is especially interested in cooking the thermomix is just a wast of money. TLDR. is thermomix anny good? absolutly!! do you need it in your life? most likely NO!

[@BitmapFrogs]

you can keep your thermomixes but ah, what i would to own an actual pacojet at home

[@theteckdeckbrothers]

The new ones are not as good (mostly annoying to use) as the TM31 in my opinion. They seem to target regular people with this new model. The temperature control is a lot finer on that one tho

[@fermitupoupon1754]

The biggest issue I have with this thing apart from the price is that it doesn't do the one thing I really wish it'd do. It does not clean itself. I would pay 2500 for a foodprocessor type contraption if it actually cleaned itself. Because the cleaning is always the biggest PITA with these things. Parts of it can't go in the dishwasher, but do get dirty, or you have to take things apart before it goes in the dishwasher, or it's designed in a stupid way, so when you put it in the dishwasher, there will always be stagnant disgusting dishwasher water in it in the end and it'll make everything in the dishwasher smell like pond scum. I paid over 1500 euro for an oven that has a button and it cleans itself to the point where all I have to do is take a bit of moist paper towel and wave it around inside and it's basically fresh-from-the-factory clean again. Same with fridges and freezers, pay a bit more for the no-frost model, because it does basically the most annoying thing for you. No need to worry, no hassle. But things like this thermomix thing, it's probably a huge PITA to clean it. Which at this price point is just unacceptable.

[@arleccio]

The company that makes them is weird. For most of my life they sold insanely good and equally expensive vacuum cleaners using door to door salesman. Many of them still work after over 30 years. They did that long past the time people were comfortable with traveling salesmen. Then they started opening shops where you could look at their products and order one. And then they decided to go mlm with the Thermomix. If they didn't make them quite so expensive they would sell like every other overpriced appliance. They only needed the cult, why make it an mlm where the youngest sister has to pay full price because there's no three people left to bully into buying.

[@Lauren-pl7bi]

It was really neat seeing Joinen switch his content up! Joinen if you read this, I enjoy your other content, but I also really enjoyed this! Keep doing whatever videos make you happy

[@waranddeath1999]

My sister actually owns one, lol. It's so annoying to clean that it just gathers dust in the corner.

[@Alyssa_M513]

How have I not heard of this MLM before?! Wild.

[@PeacefulAutistic]

Joinen’s new content pivot is fantastic!!

[@allofmyheart99]

LOVED this type of video! Very informative and clever ❤️

[@therats9782]

The price killed me

[@jessicasturm5099]

As a dietitian and chef I can recommend the Thermomix and their cheaper knock offs, like the Monsieur cuisine and other brands. Do you need one if you’re capable off cooking? No! Is it practical to have one? Yes. In my opinion a Thermomix or the knock offs are very helpful kitchen gadgets, because they are very versatile (mixing, cooking, sous vide, kneading dough, etc.). They reduce the prep time and also the time spent in the kitchen in general which is great for busy people and mums. A risotto for example needs a lot of constant stirring and the Thermomix does all the stirring and cooking for me. I use it nearly every day.

[@Roozyj]

Joinen, I'm so happy to hear you talk about things you're passionate about and/or interested in :D The reaction videos you do are great, but this feels much more real ^^ Keep it up

[@little1133]

i subscribe to so many random videos essay channels that it took me until 6:49 to realize i was watching the MSA reaction guy and i just looked over like, JOINEN????

[@BennyM_]

I need a Thermomix like I need a Presto Hotdogger or a Ronco Egg Scrambler.

[@linus1703]

How to Cook That did a video on them and showed how they work, it seems they're more a device for a commercial kitchen because they can make large quantities with little effort required but that isn't much of an advantage in a normal kitchen.

[@kittydoescosplay2416]

as a disabled person who used to cook but can't anymore, i really really hoped thermomix would be worth it. :( that's so unfortunate. if it did what it promises, i'd gladly save up the 1500 if it meant i can cook again.

[@stefaniaazzaro8177]

i have it and love it, but it mostly depends on what you want to cook. some thongs it does great all on its own. for other dishes, it's more of a very advanced appliance. I'm overall very glad to have it tho. but the mlm part doesn't exist in my country, you just buy it. It's no different than a kitchen aid (in the sense that you could go without, but you might love having one). i'd stay away from the mlm part tho

[@Szpagin]

FYI, there are food processors that cost a fraction of the price and can be ordered from a store, rather than some in-person demonstration.

[@stefaniaazzaro8177]

@@Szpagin FYI, had you bothered to read what i wrote, you would've noticed the "the mlm side of the business doesn't exist in my country" so, yeah, i didn't buy it at an in person demonstration, i simply ordered it and never heard from them again. MLMs are strictly prohibited in my country, so their business model is vastly different. It's also not as ridiculously expensive and predatory as it is in other countries such as the US. As for different options, i like what this one does and i like how it does it. As many professionals and home cooks also do. It suites me and my habits. Alternatives to kitchen aids also exist. Do you go bother every person with a kitchen aid as well? And if i want a certain product, what's it to you? There are cheaper phones than iPhones, cheaper cars than mercedes, cheaper ovens than the one with a steamer and dehydrator built in, cheaper plants than a monstera deliciosa, cheaper shoes than air max, cheaper drawing tablets than a cyntiq. And while i appreciate the sentiment behind your comment, i don't appreciate its condescending tone. I have used and tried countless food processors. None of those compare to the thermomix in terms of efficiency, uses, practicality, precision, versatility and durability, in my experience. I used the thing and it cleans itself or i can chuck it in the dishwasher. Given that i cook a lot, I know what i like using and why.

[@stefaniaazzaro8177]

@@Szpagin idk why the previous comment disappeared but. Had you read what i wrote, you would've seen the "the mlm part doesn't exist in my country". This means that their business model has to be different due to strict anti mlm laws. The price is also cheaper, you don't have to buy it through a demonstration, they don't bother you after you buy it and the partnership program for those who want to do it is less predatory. They just brought it to me, explained how it works and how the warranty works and then left. both times i bought one (the first one i gifted to my best friend and it took a while to explain how to use it to the fullest, despite her having already used it with me) As for the product itself, it works for me, i find myself glad to have it and use it constantly. It's also more convenient, reliable, precise, easy to wash and durable than any other food processor and kitchen appliance i've ever owned. IMO it does what it promises most of the time. This same reasoning could be applied to phones, headphones, plates, ovens, tvs, cars. Some people want to have certain things, it's ok. Since the OP of this comment thread is disabled, i gave insight. Yes, it can cook whole recipes without having to be washed between steps, yes, it can cook a whole meal at once, yes, it's easy to clean (has a function to clean itself or can be chucked in the dishwasher). Since idk where OP is from, i reiterate to stay away from MLMs. But idk why i should lie and say it's a terrible product. It depends on how often you cook and what you cook, that's it.

[@darknessblades]

LIDL has one that is much cheaper, and does not force you to get a subscription for recipes it also has much much better warranty conditions.

[@TurissChin]

Yuup. It's very handy

[@artur6912]

The lidlomix also has the added bonus of making every Thermomix owner go ballistic when you mention them.

[@darknessblades]

@@artur6912 never knew that. would love to see those tiktoks of them going balistic

[@jakel2837]

It's worth noting that the model of Kitchenaid stand mixers meant for small professional settings is less than half the price of one of these things. A normal mixer that the average home cook would want as a luxury is $300

[@ziggygunz2447]

So you really sent me down a rabbit hole with the Thermomix neon sign, apparently it's a SpellBrite neon letter system thing. You can click together anything you want and make custom signs daily or hourly whenever you want lol. If only i had a reason to get them (really expensive like over $1000 for an 88 piece set) i would lol.

[@Ghostdude-tz9yv]

i actually really love this video. the jokes hit hard, you made good points even inderectly. i love seeing you do content like this, thankyou.

[@blizzunt420e]

Think the only time the thermal mix will actually make sense is when people can buy robotic arms to install in their kitchen to automatically cook meals for them

[@foxbearchillinbytheriver]

I think this product is for people who want to feel like they can make tasty food without learning the craft or putting in the effort. But isn’t that what restaurants are good for? Procuring tasty food you didn’t make

[@jrr851]

I saw a woman trying to sell this at a yard sale. The conversation ended after i tried to escape the Android shell imterface on the touchscreen and asked "how many house payments" it cost. Its got everything i love. Pushy MLM, Internet of Shit, Subscription Services, and cooking!. Im running away with the fierceness.

[@Ninja-The-Red-Shinobi]

So I worked in a restaurant that had one of these things. It works yeah, but it was used for very very specific sauces for the special that night. outside of that no, it wasn't for everything and personally I thought it was a bit of a waste. But hey, the sous chef was the one who bought it with his own money so it was on him.

[@felipenascimento1083]

"every kitchen in europe has one" i live in europe for 2 years and never seen one

[@findalfin3243]

My parents have had one for like 10 years. First time I hear anything mlm related about it lol. Wild

[@attilamagyar91]

"It can so everything. " Can it roast a turkey while blending the stuffing into a homogeneous cream and sing a lullaby to the children while getting drunk on rose wine?

[@anyway.ilovemana]

My mom went to a thermomix party a few years ago, and then we got a dupe one from Lidl (we call it Lidlomix lmao) All I can say is, it is a really good, really strong heated blender, a rice cooker and a vegetable steamer, so you can make things like homemade ketchup, really nice creamy soups and stuff, but all the other functions are mediocre at best. We use it most often to cook rice and that's pretty much it. I am a baking enthusiast and honestly, I'd prefer a kitchenaid stand mixer 100% of the time. I tried very simple things, like beating egg whites or whipping cream, and it never comes out good, always overbeaten and curdling, so if you want to make butter extremely quickly and easily - get one XDDD I prefer not to waste heavy cream because it's f-ing expensive. 1st time I tried to make something more complicated in it with a built-in recipe, I chose spaghetti carbonara - it asked to boil the pasta on the stove XDDDD and it wanted me to put the bacon bits in it, with the blender spinning very slowly (wtf???) ofc the bacon wasn't cooked and it burnt to the bottom, that was a few years ago and the dark burn marks are still there, so don't put bacon in it even if it says so XDDDDD I don't recommend, get a stand mixer and a nice strong blender instead.

[@Floofie_boi]

Would you say it's worth the price?

[@anyway.ilovemana]

@@Floofie_boi If you will really use it often and make soups and ketchups and not only cook rice once every two weeks or so as I do, I'd say yes, the Lidl version was like ~500 USD give or take, it is on sale quite often.

[@songbirdrosa]

I had a friend who was OBSESSED with her Thermomix, to the point where entire conversations with her revolved around Thermomix Facebook group drama. She tried to sell me one, and decided to demonstrate how amazing it was by "making" icing sugar in it. It went about as well as you'd think blending half a kilo of sugar would go. Needless to say, I did not make an order. She was also a member of three other MLMs, so that should tell you a lot about her.

[@HungaBungabibbeldidoo]

More joinen!

[@annenelson5656]

How did my mom make all those stews, chili, bread, cinnamon rolls, soufflés, fudge, pot roasts, cookies, soups, mayonnaise, ice cream, merengue, crepes, apple pie… without a Thermomix? Life was rough for my mom. I don’t know how she raised 4 kids, stayed happily married for 65 years with no Thermomix.

[@danielch6662]

I've seen it in a lab. A whole row of 10 of them. Don't know if Thermomix sponsored them, or they got a discount for buying so many. 1. it is super expensive 2. it has a big honking motor for a blender 3. it is mostly metal, has a heater to cook food 4. microcontroller controls the blade speed, temperature, various programs TLDR: expensive metal blender that cooks food in the cup. Cons: 1. plastic parts and rubber gaskets don't last forever. Spares are equally expensive. 2. like all blenders, cleaning can be a pain. You can clean a regular pan so much easier. Somebody convinced my mum to buy one. Didn't tell her about the pyramid part though. It was about 15-20 years ago. Less expensive, but still expensive.

[@thecozyintrovert]

I screamed when I found out it doesn't COOK. I thought it was a one stop chopping, mixing and cooking device.

[@THAT1ZELDAFAN]

My mother got a Thermomix. Don't know who told her about it, or if she went on to their sales bs, but she got one. If I remember correctly, she did it through the financing. It's well paid off now, but she actually doesn't use it much. For what we have used it for, it worked. But as Joinen said, go to make a stir fry, and it doesn't do much. Make pasta, not can't do that either. I'm currently making something my mum calls a puff dog, which involves Continental Frankfurts (or thin Frankfurts), pizza cheese, and puff pastry. The Thermomix can't be used at any stage of the cooking process of this meal. It is a very niche product, that also is stupidly big for most average Aussie kitchens (note in the not sponsored video, the kitchen was huge)

[@LadyMisalein]

funfact i am an chef apprentice and we can use an thermomix for our final exam... also a lot of culinary kitchen use the thermomix BUT they mostly use it for blending and mixing... making pesto...mayonaise...stuff like that in our exams using the heat options is not allowed aswell

[@AkhierDragonheart]

That's really the thing about it. What it does? Very useful for a professional setting. How they sell it? quite nasty.

[@LadyMisalein]

@@AkhierDragonheart well said

[@BunnyBrina]

i dont know what you normally post but i am now subscribed for this mess lmao😂

[@stefaniaazzaro8177]

important: it's not an MLM everywhere. In some countries you just buy it and that's it. like an oven, a kitchen aid, a steamer. Many people see value in those things and buy them. but the mlm part doesn't exist everywhere (eg many european countries)

[@artur6912]

My mom wanted to buy one, because while not cheap, it wouldn't also bankrupt the family. Turns out it's only MLM in Poland and you can't buy it normally. This alone was reason enough to keep as far away from them as possible. The cheaper Lidl knockoff also helped.

[@stefaniaazzaro8177]

@@artur6912 then yeah, it's not worth it. I like Lidl products and was actually wondering if the food processor is also good. And anyway tech is advancing so fast that "knockoffs" are not as bad as they used to be 20 years ago. years ago when it came out it was definitely more unique. nowadays, many other food appliances do what the thermomix does. when we first got it (10?15?) years ago, the difference with other food processors was incredible, so i'm sure a huge chunk of their clientele is returning costumers upgrading their models. Vorwerk's products seem to me to be pretty reliable and efficient, which makes them solid purchases on their own and makes the MLM aspect even more annoying. If I had to endure constant harassment and more than a 30 minute talk to sign the contract of purchase and have a brief explanation while setting it up, I would have a far worse opinion of it. But marketing is what drives many of these things. I bet they'll come up with a food processor or vacuum cleaner that uses "revolutionary AI" or something, just to use the newest buzzword.

[@ameliarosenes1330]

Just wanting to balance the scale here in the comments; there are demographics that do have a need for this type of product: busy families who need quick and easy healthy meals, people living with disabilities or chronic health issues and people who don't have the room for multiple cheaper appliances in their home. Cooking brings me a lot of joy, but as someone living with chronic health issues (which got worse after getting long COVID) the Thermomix has meant we can quickly get a healthy meal on the table, even on my worst days, instead of spending way too much on take-out multiple times a week. I strongly dislike MLM style organisations, however, I don't think it's fair to write off a good product because of some of the people who go too hard trying to sell it

[@helenacosta2257]

Loved this video. Review from someone that has one (called Bimby in Portugal) but is not a fanatic: It's hella expensive but it's really useful to do those dishes you do frequently as well as doing the boring portion of the cooking. It doesn't do everything (it doesn't fry even the newest version). It also helps you do those most complicated dishes that you don't have the patience to do yourself. You forgot another part of the cult of Thermomix: after you purchase it, you are invited to go to meetings where they try to sell you extra parts or try to make you a seller of Thermomix in exchange for extra free months of Cookidoo. Oh, and when you purchase it for the ridiculous price that you saw, if you don't buy it under a good promotion, it comes only with a cup and no accessories. You want to steam cook? You have to buy another accessory hella expensive. Do I regret buying it? No, but it takes a couple of years of home cooking to compensate the initial price. Pro tip: you want a better pricing and more accessories? Wait until a new machine is coming and ask a seller to tell you when a good promotion comes with as much accessories as possible.

[@sssnowpeasss9626]

As someone who’s mum has joined this MLM. It’s an Okay tool. Just okay. It’s helpful for people with learning disabilities as the recipes are easier to follow along, or disabilities in general as you don’t have to move or stand long to cook a meal (saying this as a disabled person with disabled siblings), but if you are fully able bodied, able minded person you really don’t need one. I still don’t fully support the idea of thermomixes bc they’re apart of an MLM. And would recommend not purchasing or joining their program you won’t get rich from selling them, the profit they make from a sale verses the profit you make is massive. You make very little selling thermomixes. I wish they just sold it as assistive tech (for a far cheaper price, especially for Cookidoo) rather then using the MLM model. But yeah, just thought I’d give the unique perspective as someone who owns one but very much so isn’t in the cult mindset of having one. TLDR: you really don’t need one. It’s not some magic tool, that’ll fix your life and cure your depression. It’s just a bunch of kitchen tools jammed into one.

[@adriannamalawska3089]

I was pretty shocked when my mum bought her Thermomix because of how expensive it is. I’m ashamed to admit I use it every time I visit her 😬 however, I will say that the subscription part is an absolute scam… and the worst part is that without it the machine is basically just a fancy looking mixer/scale/steamer… Basically once you fork out the insane cost for the machine you have to continue paying for it to actually be worth it 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ If you have the disposable income to afford this (and will do for as long as you want to use it) then sure it’s worth it. Otherwise you’ll spend an insane amount of money for it to sit in the corner and occasionally use the scale and chop function

[@Replicanna-rl6zg]

Today I made stuffed aubergine in oven (and I don't even like cooking). I forgot I have a kitchen appliance that could do all the chopping for me and used a knife. I feel stupid. Yet I have never ever heard of thermomix before, but I am sure I will get recommendations after this. Not because of Joinen, but because I spoke about it aloud. I am not a smart one

[@mim3097]

I feel so validated. I've been saying this for years. I usually just get glazed eyed looks and hear "thermomix is awesome, it's direct marketing not an mlm. 🧐🤨

[@marydewitt8188]

Glad I heard about this from you before someone approached me and tried to convince me to join the club (not like I would have the money for that anyway, but now I can also tell that person that they’re part of a cult 😅) Loved this video!! ❤️

[@RealJonzuk]

i never saw your channel before but this was a great video please make more like this

[@Mayurpaj]

As you have pointed out in the end, there are other similar products. This product immediately reminded me of those stand-mixers with heating element. Remember seeing one while I was researching stand mixers a few years ago from a different brand at less than half this price, and considered it overpriced for my application at home. That with it's precise temperature control was marketed towards the restaurant/ bakery. Well you got my subscription from this engaging video.

[@CheezburgerBrown]

I watched the whole video and I'm still not entirely sure what this thing is used for, aside from lightening wallets.

[@kairi99roxas]

Ive never heard of this product before, but I love this video!

[@attilamagyar91]

I think thermomix is the definition of "weaponized sunk cost fallacy"

[@MajorGrant]

For the guy with the neon sign, its one of those customizable neon like signs, you can tell from his channel he changes it depending on what he is reviewing

[@nyxie86]

only thing id buy for that price is a freeze drier

[@anjjelinas]

it always puts a smile on my face when joined posts

[@TBG1]

Huh. For some reason I thought joinen has way over 2 mil subs. Weird. I didn't notice till he pointed it out

[@o0Killerbluemchen0o]

My Mother is a Thermo-Girl. We had the Partys at our house and I grew up with the TM2 and learned to cook with it. Her TM2 is still alive and well, must be over 20 years old now - she is long out of the cult but still uses it on a daily bases. When I got my own flat, I wanted my own Thermomix... and so I bought a used TM2 for 250€ and I use it quite often without hyping it.

[@floppy8960]

As someone who has a thermomix in the house i can confirm i am constantly in mental warfare with my own mind to try and not yap on about how great thermomix is

[@Ab3ndcgi]

My sister bought into the Thermomix, and I think it is great for her and her lifestyle. I mean, it has become kinda of an status symbol for women wanting to portray they are modern and have a busy lifestyle, but still find time to bake their own bread at home, and care for others with lavish meals. I actuallt think it's great to be able to program your food and set out to do other chores, but a rice cooker or a built-in timer is good enough for me and my lifestyle XD. There actually many comunitties around rice cooker meals, and it will actually surprise you what they can achieve at a fraction of the cost; while sparing you the guilt tricking involved in thermomix comunitties.

[@artur6912]

The best way to trigger a Thermomix owner is to say you don't want one because you already bought a lidlomix ( a way cheaper knockoff that works the same and was sold in the Lidl supermarket chain without that MLM bs)

[@matityahubermanfalk3127]

I've actually heard of it in the past, and the one thing it does that other categories don't do as well is blended soups. I usually just use an immersion blender on a boiling pot, but there is a certain risk of splashing. Not worth 2500 dollars, but that's one thing which it does better than other options.

[@puppycharmss]

if they wanted us to believe it wasnt sponsored they would not have used the neon fucking sign them shits are so expensive genuinely great first video to find from you, you're really funny and this was such a cool deep dive!!

[@alkevier7127]

It's like the expensive version of air fryer cult

[@Floofie_boi]

Air fryers are useful sometimes. this product I can see how it would be useful, but it definitely isn't worth the Absurd price