Joker 2 (2024) Movie Review - One of The Most Pointless Sequels

[@JurassicGodzillaFan]

Knew this was coming. Sad since I liked the first Joker.

[@blueg8731]

Joker 2: The Big Joke

[@samueljamesonfern3245]

Joker 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@Norrbottning]

Joker 2: What?

[@Doomreb]

" _If you liked Joker, you'll go GaGa for Joker 2!_ "

[@spitfire4209]

The flight time from LAX to Tokyo is 12 hours, if you're actually interested. I have no idea where they spent the $200 million for this movie. The sets are literally just a prison and a courtroom.

[@anubusx]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Neopunk2023]

Apparently from what I heard, the crew ordered expensive dinners every night during production which might have been one of the causes that inflated the budget.

[@missugh1890]

I saw it in the theater 🎭 and the guy who I was sitting 🪑 next to walked out of the movie and I thought he was going to the bathroom 🚽 and he never came back and watched the rest of the movie 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@samuelf551]

Your Donkey Kong analogy was really good. It started off ridiculous, but you sealed it with a perfect point: fear

[@michaelmyers6105]

I feel your pain bro. The first one despite being divisive either you hated it or liked it, I really enjoyed it and would cry everytime I watched it because of how depressing it was. The acting was great and Joaquin Phoenix was up there with Nicholson and Ledger as the best jokers. I’m just going to pretend this movie doesn’t exist.

[@silverwings21]

9:29 Tiny Toons did that in an episode where Calamity Coyote sued Acme. 14:00 Batman 1989 on the VHS started with a Looney Toons cartoon to buy Batman merchandise.

[@BRIANOCONNOR2003]

Yes Which was The Warner Bros Catalog which can also be seen on lethal weapon 2 VHS tape

[@jasonvoorhees310]

Pointless is a perfect description. Two scenes were good. And that totals mabey 15 minutes combined that was good. Gary, and Arthur's confession. The other 2 hours pointless. Why wasn't the entire film the two scenes that were good? That should have been the film.

[@Timelord007]

This was a hilarious bad ass review, Matt never disappoints.

[@chasehedges6775]

He’s awesome 💯💯❤️👍

[@hamburgareable]

@@chasehedges6775 Absolutely, hes the best of the best!😉

[@hamburgareable]

For sure!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@anthonyshelton981]

Odd how two actors from 8MM happen to be in this junk.

[@jermainehaslam5634]

When the court room blew up, that's when I was hoping for us to get Joaquin Phoenix's Joker to start going ape shit but no he gets arrested and is back in prison very underwhelming in my opinion.

[@bigideas3]

I have wondered if more people would've liked it if it faded out when Joker was in the backseat of the Joker clones car before getting out, but have him laughing as it faded? Or even have Harley be in the passenger seat where she was working with the Joker clones and they drive off.

[@JoeDredd2012]

0:14-0:26 Yep! This is going to be good one for sure🤣🤣🤣🤣 1:28 I could still remember Orlando Jones 7up commericals he was doing back in the early 2000's LOL. 3:03-3:38 I agree with you all the way brother! 9:31-9:52 True. 28:01 A very underrated court room drama one of Pacino's most overlooked performances IMHO. 31:42-33:11 You make a very spot on point there bro. 37:39-39:51 Exactly Matt the 2019 took has movie making career into a new direction only for him and Joaquin Phoenix to screw it up with a sequel that nobody was asking for the zero box office returns don't lie. 40:28 For the ''Terminator'' fans we also got ''Dark Fate'' also the ''Tron'' fans we got ''Tron-Legacy'' as well for the ''Universal Soldier'' fans we got both ''Regeneration''&''Day of Reckoning'' as well Matt.

[@GrandTheftRuben]

Joker 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[@quintonposs3286]

Joker: FOSS (Full of Shit Syndrome)

[@GrandTheftRuben]

@@quintonposs3286 yup

[@boomstickcritique902]

Todd Phillips is the Joker and WB is the audience and WB couldn't see that Todd Phillips started a joke and thst the joke was on themmmmm.

[@hamburgareable]

Yeah, Todd Phillips should not set his foot in Hollywood ever again. And he should stay away from sequels too period!

[@joshpritt2146]

7:40 That reminded me of the second Magic Mike movie when they decided to do a 180° make it lighthearted and campy than the first movie which was very serious

[@LivingGhost1]

This is literally The Last of Us Part II again. No one thought Joel and Arthur Fleck were morally good people but what we did think was they were interesting well acted characters who were survivors of there environments and we had empathy for them and understood there decisions. Joel lost his daughter to humanity and just wanted to be a dad again, Arthur was kicked down and spit on by the world and just wanted to feel like he had some power and agency in his life. Instead the creators of the sequels just wanted to throw all that interesting moral ambiguity down the drain and tell the audience "You're bad for liking these people and thinking there interesting! This is how you should think and feel". Both Joker 2 and Last of Us Part II didn't need to exist and they both did nothing but tarnish the legacies of the first.

[@emanuelespinoza9325]

I beg to differ about "The Last of Us Part II." In the end, the whole theme was about revenge and how much of a vicious cycle it is.

[@LivingGhost1]

@@emanuelespinoza9325 Except Ellie sparing Abby is pointless because she still ends up losing everything. If they wanted to have that message either Ellie kills Abby and dies from her wounds or lives and loses her family or Ellie decides not to go after Abby and still keeps her surrogate family intact. Instead she spares Abby and still loses everyone she cares about. How does that make sense? She supposedly gave up on the vicious cycle of violence and still lost while Abby was rewarded who was the main catalyst for it because she got to survive and has Lev. How is Ellie losing everything a satisfying ending when a majority of what happened wasn't her fault? Now if it was Joel who lost everything by the end like Ellie hates his guts, his brother got killed and he's shunned by the community of Jackson I could understand that but Ellie? It was just misery porn for the sake of it!

[@berliner0]

Now you know how the joker finally got his scars why so serious great review. Matt

[@kaylacolgan]

I''m not even a minute in, and I'm losing it with laugher.

[@MuhammedRivaz]

Never have I thought I would see a Joker musical movie someday.

[@stephenwyatt88]

Well, this was inevitable.

[@LivingGhost1]

There were multiple directions a Joker sequel could've gone that would've been interesting. Unfortunately, we didn't get that because Todd Phillips clearly had no interest in making this movie except to collect a massive paycheck and to try and get into the good graces of Hollywood because they hated the first movie and despise how successful it was because it portrayed that a man particularly a white straight man can be a victim and have mental health issues. That goes against there narrative. All Todd Phillips has done now is tarnished both his career and the original film. Joker: Pretentious French Subtitle bombing not only at the box office but with both critics and audiences is the epitome of "You get what you fucking deserve!".

[@dtxspeaks268]

Did u really have to race bait? Funny how conservatives always complain about liberals race baiting yet they do the same all the time

[@boomstickcritique902]

Joker 1 was made to inherently be a stand alone. Phoenix Joker wasn't a super villian or mastermind he was just a mentally ill man he was grounded take on the Joker thats why he wasn't suited for sequels. With that said if Phillips wanted to make a proper sequel that correct approach would be having Harley meet Joker in the asylum and them forming an actual love bond that turns him back into the Joker and probably ends with both being shot down in the nut house after going on a killing spree in the asylum. Instead Phillips wanted to make an anti Joker movie that was a middle finger to fans of the character and the character himself.

[@LivingGhost1]

@@boomstickcritique902 I guarantee Todd Phillips just wanted to make a standalone movie about a failing comedian in the 80s who becomes a criminal but he couldn't get it made until he attached a known IP being Joker to it. When it became way more successful than he realized it would he didn't want to do a sequel but he was offered so much money that he couldn't say no. He also purposely made it an "F you movie" to both the studio so he wouldn't have to do another one and to the audience so he can get more gigs in Hollywood because it doesn't matter anymore if your films don't make money as long as they have the "right" politics they'll give you more jobs. Failing upwards is the new norm there now. An idea I was thinking of is what if Harley became obsessed with Joker after seeing what he did on TV (You could even replay the footage of him killing Murray from the first movie) only we see it from her POV as she's watching TV. She loves the TV movie made about him and watches it over and over (They could've actually shown it and have it be really crappy and not accurate at all like those old school ones from that time period) so Harley gets her way into Arkham to meet him but Arthur is just drugged up and non despondent so she's let down but she gets him off the meds and he starts becoming Joker again but now its Joker who doesn't care about her until she embraces being Harley Quinn and that's when they become a couple and the third act is them escaping and on the run and either they get away or go down in a blaze of glory. The message could've been about people who obsess of killers they see in the media.

[@sallobo777]

At least the people who made Godfather 3 admitted it was a cash grab and they didn't care about the story. Al Pacino and even the director Francis Ford Coppola said in interviews a week after the movie was released that they just did it for the money.

[@JamesBondStarWarsFan1983-by6qp]

Thank god, I avoided this awful Joker film with Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga. Ramboraph4life is the George Carlin of KZbinrs and I also love George Carlin as my absolute favorite American comedian.

[@rambomcclanezelaya7715]

Can’t wait to listen to this Matt

[@ryecallan6095]

Joker should've just been one movie. There was no reason for it to get a sequel.

[@arkfounder7056]

I've said during the month the first one came, and I was right.

[@vegasthunder4208]

Honestly I would've loved to see Joker tie into The Batman universe with Robert Patterson

[@rejector7126]

WB should've went with Coyote vs. Acme instead of this filth of a film

[@wiinterflowers95]

I would've liked that Batgirl movie over this shit!

[@JackEKhan0131]

What is worse John wick 4 or joker 2

[@missugh1890]

I been waiting for this one 😂😂😂😂

[@kingslayer2999]

Joker 2 one of the Worst sequels of all time what a piece of trash movie. I find it funny Terrifier 3 is destroying Joker 2 at the Box Office 😂😂😂

[@Johnlindsey289]

At least Terrifier is a new horror franchise as it’s time to let old horror franchises retire like Halloween or Texas chainsaw massacre or elm street to rest

[@BRIANOCONNOR2003]

it’s a good thing my dad didn’t pay to go see joker 2 🤣🤣

[@anubusx]

If someone told me Terrifer 3 would be beating Joker 2 i wouldn't have believed them.

[@dong.corleone]

@@Johnlindsey289I went to go see THE WILD ROBOT instead the weekend this came out. That movie is a terrific film and the best animated movie of 2024

[@walkerbolton2076]

I don’t care for it but it’s not that bad

[@glennconnell6785]

This pretty much made the first film pointless the director tank his own film he didn't even want to make this the ending proves it I was expecting batman to show up save him

[@metalheart3334]

The first film was awesome. I don't know why they wanted to screw it up.

[@berliner0]

Thank you

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Falling Down was a far better film than The Joker.

[@Johnlindsey289]

The first never needed a sequel

[@dtxspeaks268]

Technically it kinda did and was going to. But it would've nice for it to be in the tone of the OG instead of this

[@shadowleon659]

Another sequel no one asked for.

[@GrandTheftRuben]

38:02 The Funniest Part 😂🤣

[@DarkMetalSpider-II]

I immensely concur! 😂😂😂

[@ryancannon4110]

What would you say is the nastiest kind of soda to you? Mine is Cherry Pepsi.

[@gregmeyer1805]

Dr. Pepper. Absolutely abhorrent.

[@Ellemenohpee677]

Root beer is pretty ass

[@ryancannon4110]

@@Ellemenohpee677 Root Beer is actually one of my Top 5 favorite sodas😅😅😅.

[@ryancannon4110]

@@gregmeyer1805 As much as I love Dr. Pepper, I can understand why some people don’t like it.

[@FiftyShadesOfDave6603]

Sarsaparilla 🤮

[@Rapidkirby3k]

Definitely one of my favorite epic rants of yours. 👍

[@anakinchosen]

This movie reminds me of American 🇺🇸 me staring Edward James Olmos.Ed and Joaquin both career jerks.

[@1985Crystal]

I honestly never watched any of the Joker Film's. I always felt the covers werent to good towards grabbing my attention to wanna watch the joker Film's but I may give the 1st one a chance someday.

[@dtxspeaks268]

The 1st one is a masterpiece, the complete polar opposite of this

[@GraphixCreator2]

Thank God for this movie! Because I wasn’t impressed with the first one, thought it was overrated. So thankfully we’re done with this Joker crap. LET’S MOVE ON!! Lol.

[@newstorage6641]

This year is not a good year for sequels (with the exception of Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F), and we don't have a lot of new standalone films. I mean, we have "Life After Fighting", "The Fall Guy", and "In a Violent Nature", but that is about it.

[@dtxspeaks268]

Deadpool vs Wolverine is technically a sequel to the first 2 Deadpool movies and I've heard good things about it

[@newstorage6641]

@@dtxspeaks268 It is a fun movie to watch. It is one of the best movies of this year. I almost forgot it is technically a sequel.

[@ryanhopt6732]

Awesome rant

[@TakesTheCake]

50 mill for joker 1 banger. 200 mill for what?!!!

[@benalviani1558]

Everyone knew this was a pointless sequel from the beginning when it was announced as a musical. Without the musical songs and scenes, this movie could have had the potential to be a good follow up to the first Joker if it was done properly, but it was obviously clear that Todd Phillips went in the opposite direction and ruined it. Joker 2: Joker Becomes the Joke.

[@fram3byfram319]

6:23 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂 Matt you’re killing me.

[@Jay-y6r9h]

Terrifier 3 beating joker is freakin hilarious. Go terrifier go!!!!

[@christuite3734]

My cousin Vinny...great film. Love the stuttering lawyer 😂😂😂

[@insanitypepper1740]

I loved Joker 1 because it was a stylized decent into madness like Taxi Driver & Bad Lieutenant. I am not watching a fucking musical.

[@movietv20249]

I have no intention of seeing this. Gosh, what is going on with movies these days?

[@alteregobro4826]

joker 2 is proof that warner bros has always been evil

[@johnbeggs2657]

Never been so angry leaving the cinema Matt absolute joke

[@markpugh6808]

Looks like I did the right thing skipping it then

[@alteregobro4826]

todd phillips needs to be banished from sequels

[@missugh1890]

They don’t talking about father Wayne in this 😂😂😂😂

[@Hopium500]

Without a Doubt one of the worst sequels ive ever seen in my life.

[@chasehedges6775]

Thank goodness I’m not gonna see it.

[@LORDHASBECOMEABOVE]

Yup this was one big joke! Matt finally reviews this is gonna be good lol

[@JoeDredd2012]

41:47-41:57 🤣🤣🤣🤣 43:03-43:40 Your're are 100% right that makes perfect sense bro to me. A very well done job on the rant brother👍👍

[@Jojo1996-_-]

Anything Staring or Featuring Musical artist's is usually a red flag, automatic "L", (In my opinion) Especially Rap and Pop. Lets take the concept of making a movie, and lets just go in the oppisite direction with it and hire musical artist's and make it into a musical, in the words of Ck From Dead pit. This movie was TRA-U-SH.

[@anubusx]

Making the film a musical was the first mistake.

[@MetalFriscoDude79]

I 💯 knew that this movie was going to suck. It was only a matter of time before everyone realized it

[@Emulous79]

The joke is on the people who pay to watch it.

[@chasehedges6775]

EXACTLY!

[@chasehedges6775]

I’m not gonna watch it.

[@Chosen9038]

I totally agree 😂😂 people blame trump for the black plague while they're at it lol!

[@Out-Cast75]

haaaaaahaaaaaa noodle f......d by donkey kong lol

[@RjSkorenki-k2j]

This movie will give ya a upset stomach afterwards I prefer ginger ale preferabably segreams

[@BECKTON99]

I prefer to believe nothing happened in the shower other than a beat down. They had to get him out of his suit to go back to his cell. In prison, some "stuff" happens because people like the power/control. So i understand sometimes it's not about attraction or sensual desire for the victim...but I don't buy all the guards wanting a turn with an Emaciated dude who barely has hygiene. Maybe they used nightsticks just to be cruel idk. But I'd prefer that didn't happen or maybe another inmate could've bumped into him in the hallway and gave him a shank and he could've killed one of the guards and the need for medical attention could've saved him from that unnecessary side plot.

[@missugh1890]

Joker didn’t killed anyone in this trash movie 😂😂😂😂😂

[@squallleonheart3020]

This might be worse then The Crow Remake

[@offthedeepend3996]

This has been such a bad year for sequel films and remakes of classic films.

[@squallleonheart3020]

@@offthedeepend3996 I hated The Joker part 2 but I was pissed the f*** when I watch The Crow remake. Hollywood stinks

[@gregmeyer1805]

​@@offthedeepend3996Hollywood is so obsessed with dollar signs that they don't understand the concept behind a remake. A remake is greenlit in order to try and improve on the original. A classic is considered a classic for a reason. There is no improving on it.

[@anakinchosen]

I gotta go back and watch Joaquin in gladiator,we own the night and the master cause this is disgraceful trash 🗑️.

[@thelostfoundnation4542]

Regress Joaquin Phoenix's character back to before the third act of joker 1. He's not "The Joker" he's just a joker. Worthless 200m movie. Pointless.

[@DabionFreedom]

In my honest opinion, Matt. I never really liked the first Joker film. I thought it sucked. so I'm definitely not going to watch this sequel.

[@missugh1890]

Another sh*t movie never needed a sequel and never should’ve had been made 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dtxspeaks268]

The first Joker is a masterpiece though

[@James.Sunderland]

I thought Alien 3 would go down as the worst sequel of all time. Joker 2 is now the worst sequel of all time. Alien 3 and Joker 2 ruin the previous movies, but AT LEAST Alien 3 wasn't done for the purpose to destroy the previous movie, it just ended up that way by accident. Joker 2 was made to purposefully destroy the first.

[@luxskywalker8094]

The main theme of the film is the role of the media in today's world and how they create "heroes", often out of nothing. Everything bad happens because of the media and how they present reality. They can turn an ordinary criminal into a movie, they can create his image as a liberator, they can give him a completely new identity and make him become a celebrity. We have seen such productions before in "Natural Born Killers". Joker is very similar in this, except that Fleck is ultimately able to distinguish between what is fiction and what is reality. I perceive the second part of Joker as a warning to journalists and society, because it is not just the director's vision that pathological cases rise to the rank of celebrities, whom the crowd then begins to adore and imitate in order to live like them. Live their fame. I'm glad that there's finally a director who can bring shine to this issue.

[@dylanmorris7357]

Todd Phillips has an awful track record when it comes to sequels. The Hangover 2 is still one of the most disappointing sequels ever IMO and I love the first The Hangover but just like Joker that also didn't need to become a franchise.

[@MuhammedRivaz]

I didn't mind Hangover 2

[@samuel2531]

I disagree

[@dejablu]

yess Joker 1 is like Falling Down with Michael Douglas .. a film I used to watch with my Dad and we'd discuss how real it is .. and as an adult now I understand even more. I don't want to watch this but I also do just because I know it will be confirmed its horrid like I knew it would be from the moment I first saw it being advertised

[@EarthsEdgeAD]

Both joker movies sawk b@lls

[@RandyWhite-e6t]

Heavens gate was 80s

[@missugh1890]

That not the dark knight joker because the time line doesn’t make sense 😮😮😮😮😮

[@missugh1890]

Matt I enjoyed Deadpool and Wolverine more than this dumb movie

[@OliverMercer-gr5ks]

I'll give Todd's credit to his Hangover II as his best sequel. But this fuck me it gave me a stroke within sleeping pills. Okay it had some good cinematography and it's ending kinda shocked me, with the real Joker nod. Yes Joker without question never needed a sequel it was a well crafted stand alone.

[@josh72456]

I didn’t hate it, but I wasn’t fully on board with it the musical elements yeah I’m not sure and the courtroom scene where he puts on a southern accent maybe I was iffy on a little bit. What’s weird though my younger half brother is related to the director well first cousins or whatever. He told me that when first Joker film came out but recently he told me he never spoke to him.

[@singed8853]

Matt I haven’t watched your video yet but if you don’t like this movie then you don’t like movies. I challenge you to a boxing match wherever you want and if you lose you have to change your opinion in a video. If you win I have to sell my car on the cheap to a random stranger.

[@hamburgareable]

No, shut your mouth! Shut your goddamn mouth, SingedButtFace! Matt´s opinions matter unlike yours, you whiny fool!

[@millabasset1710]

Weirdo

[@theflyingninja1]

Only ones not in 'the club' are Karate Kid fans. Not yet.

[@LdotHdot]

Christmas came early with this one 😂😂😂😂

[@luxskywalker8094]

If you've seen the movie, you know that the joker wasn't killed, Arthur was. Considering the ending of the first part and knowing that it was only his imagination because he didn't kill anyone at the end, the new ending can be interpreted as the death of Arthur in his subconscious and the birth of the Joker, who no longer has any remorse.

[@joshpritt2146]

Even Superman IV (1987) is way better I dont even like Old School (2000) but its a masterpiece compared to this

[@kingslayer2999]

Road Trip from Todd Phillips is better than this movie

[@joshpritt2146]

@@kingslayer2999 i agree

[@gregmeyer1805]

Wait, you went that route? Superman IV? Worse than a series of films with two masterpieces, a decent entry, punctuated by the low budget assassination of Christopher Reeve by the Cannon Group? It obviously must have been a scarring experience for you 🥺

[@joshpritt2146]

​@@gregmeyer1805 i know that

[@joshpritt2146]

​@@gregmeyer1805i rather watch that than Batman & Robin (1997) and Joker 2 (2024)

[@daninogil]

actually gaga's harlequin album is pretty good (the part I've herd of it), it seems the movie tone down her soundtrack.

[@gregbrewer6005]

Still haven't watch this yet, i might one day just to see how bad it is.

[@DeauntesSpot]

Im glad I skipped out on this😂😂

[@dejablu]

they just put her in as Harley to get an audience and views and they still failed cause it didn't need to be done

[@chronoslv3]

This movie sucked. But tbh I liked it more than Beetlejuice 2

[@freezhollywood]

Anything good tht DC puts out they wash away with a 💩 sequel

[@hamburgareable]

Joker 2 sounds like a pointless disaster from the get go, as much as Hollywood wants to pretend like they havent learned at all from their foul-ups. This is why we cant take movies like this at their face value anymore. We didnt ask for this to happen. I honestly have zero expectations for it and even if im watching it online, my jaw is gonna drop through the floor in disgust. Already KZbinrs are calling it JOKER: MORE LIKE WOKER. The first movie was not well made but i can accept it more than Joker 2: Go Hump A Freaking Goat. The minute you see Joker´s escapades turn into karaoke numbers, you know you´re in trouble. I even heard the scene at the jail is provocative where prison guards rape Arthur and beat the crap out of him. No wonder Hollywood is collapsing because of trash like this! Great rant on this pretentious merry go around/court room drivel, Matt!

[@christuite3734]

Floppy than I am 😂😂😂😂😂

[@missugh1890]

No joker 🃏 3 😂😂😂😂😂😂👎👎👎👎 terrible and horrible

[@missugh1890]

Yes finally saw it and it really trash and pieces of garbage movie 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@1977Eelco]

Hmmm! :S Haven't seen this sequel yet. I liked the first movie a lot. Didn't think at the time it would ever get a sequel. Still going to see it in some form despite the loads of negative reviews. The trailer in my opinion looked/looks good. But, most of the times, a trailer is very misleading as to how a movie is going to turn out to be.

[@FishesFlyTillTheWorldDies]

Could you say that the movie flopped if they got the reaction that they wanted. They don't care about entertaining you....

[@ramboraph4life]

Being bored for 2 hours was the reaction they wanted? Uh...congrats? Helped them make their $200 million flick a flop. It's not making money at all.

[@gaba-goo3733]

trust me. the studio is NOT satisfied with losing out their second weekend to a random low budget clown slasher Terrifer...I never thought in a million years terrifier would beat any comic book/ warner bros film...

[@HeavyMetalTurtles]

this movie just poooop

[@missugh1890]

Matt Even The penguin show 🐧 and Superman and Lois show is way better than this sh*t movie 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍👍

[@offthedeepend3996]

I didn't even like the first Joker movie, It had a terrible plot, but at least it was competently made with some solid direction by Todd Phillips. I have not seen this one yet, but I will take everyone's word for it that it is bad, and I knew it would be bad.

[@dtxspeaks268]

"Terrible plot" if u think Joker 1 had a terrible plot, then u don't know cinema. The first one is a masterpiece in cinema and was one of the best comic book movies in years. If anything, Captain Marvel from that same year had a terrible plot