JOKER: FOLIE à DEUX Trailer Reaction | DC

Failed comedian Arthur Fleck meets the love of his life, Harley Quinn, while incarcerated at Arkham State Hospital. Upon his release, the two of them embark on a doomed romantic misadventure.
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[@HeroesReforged]

What are you hoping for from JOKER: FOLIE à DEUX?

[@TonyVainosky]

Just a great time, and this looks like it's going to deliver 👏👏👏

[@MichaelRaymakers]

Honestly; just Lady Gaga singing her ass off. And hoping Phoenix can hit some notes would be cool too.

[@michaelkaggwa4915]

why are you still saying the DC brand is very strange right now " for how long are you going to say that" there is a new DC Studios and you are keeping on saying the DC is in a strange position right now

[@Matt-tq9nd]

@@HeroesReforged I'm hoping it's leagues better than the first one concerning the story and how it handles mental health. ngl I don't have high hopes and have no plan to watch this movie. My mind might change but I expect my concerns to be confirmed by yall.

[@Matt-tq9nd]

@@michaelkaggwa4915 because it is. The new universe hasn't even started yet. If the first superman movie fails, the universe goes away. They haven't established their primary universe yet nor cast a Joker. That first Superman movie has to do exceptionally well for everything else to follow. The first Joker movie undermines the official lore and cosplays as a Joker movie imo. This could have a negative impact is all they're saying. They want it to be good and successful but are worried.

[@egarci1010]

The Batman didn’t make a billion dollars. The Joker made a billion. So you can’t just say that the iconography is the reason it’s so revered. Give the film a bit of credit. As far as the the glorification of villainy, that’s not what I took from it at all. Quite the opposite. I looked at the influence environment can have on mental health.

[@KD-xp2eo]

🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@terencole1854]

👍

[@AsalazIII23]

I'm usually on the same page as you guys. But we're not even in the same book. I couldn't disagree more! I thought the 1st Joker movie was amazing and felt real. And sure maybe they took the character in a different direction then the comic books usually do, but what comic book related movie hasn't.

[@KD-xp2eo]

That part!!!

[@Scrapluv]

Something about the use of the phrase "not as good as people think it is" that really bothers me.

[@DrewskyPark]

Right!

[@TaburnokPoblete]

It usually comes from a pretentious know-it-all who think he is better than the rest of us.

[@kacornish1]

@@Scrapluv Agreed… I like these guys a lot, but that comment is highly questionable.

[@Chris_H103]

I’ll be straight with you guys… for all 3 of you to say “you don’t know what it’s trying to say” Why are you all beating around the bush & not saying what exactly you’re trying to say about the movie because it’s clear you’re avoiding(maybe scared) to make your stance clear. It’s kind of hypocritical…

[@chefalan36]

"Here's a little Easter egg: if you play it with subtitles, one of the guys talking on the radio about the Joker is Harvey Dent."

[@BeckOfficial]

I was struggling with mental health when I watched the first movie. And it moved something deep inside of me. I have never felt so connected to a character in a movie before. There was so many relatable things in the movie. Arthur talking to the therapist was so spot on. Not feeling heard, no one understands, everyone just following some guidelines on how to fix you.

[@AnimeComicBlerd]

Same 💯

[@dalnim4294]

Same. I was at my lowest point and I really connected with it. My mother is also sick and I help take care of her, so I related to him a little there too.

[@Justhppy2behere]

THIS version of Harley is actually going to be far more dominant than any other Harley we’ve seen before. Instead of her breaking apart from him, she’s literally going to be the dominant one in their relationship. In a weird, backwards way, SHE is his joker, and HE is her Harley. And that’s a take we’ve never seen before.

[@NicholasMarakas]

@@Justhppy2behere That’s exactly the feeling I’m getting. Spot-on with the interpretation. I’m also sensing she might get rid of him (killing?) when I see the shot of her recreating the scene with Joker in the elavator from the first one.

[@Sumdumfilipino]

Never seen them hate watch and unmotivated for a film before. 😂

[@jollyrayda]

What's wrong with taking the relationship between Harley and Joker back to the start? This ISN'T the the Margot Robbie version. This ISN'T the animated version - current or classic. This is literally the beginning of their relationship, not the end of the journey that we've seen in other projects. If you're happy to read a bunch of comics that have different interpretations of characters, why the beef here? Some of us obviously saw more in the first one than you did, and that's fine, but there's no need to imply that people who did enjoy it and found things to think about after watching it are lesser, or stupid, by saying things like it's "not as good as people think it is".

[@JonathanLopez-pw5xg]

Totally agree with your comment. No need to take another project to entirely rate/appreciate/critic another one which is absolutely intended to disrupt the original story. I think these guys are emotionally attached to the original version and are holding themselves to enjoy this new take.

[@BTT16]

Many people didn't dig Joker because it was bleak, felt hopeless, and was too grounded for many, as well as coming out at a time when the big blockbuster mainstream superhero films were a little past their prime but were still fresh on everyones minds. I don't think Joker was trying to "Say anything", it was just a character study on someone going completely mad, then finally embracing it as the city that put him down eventually lifted him up. It had a lot more depth than the character just falling into a vat of acid. It was good though...really really good.

[@Matt-tq9nd]

@@BTT16 embracing madness is romanticizing mental illness. The first movie doesn't do anything to really dive into mental health, it's just superficial. The character is just Joker so people would go see it. The connective tissue to the actual DC Joker is also superficial. Great performances and amazing cinematography, an okay character study, but a horrible Joker film.

[@melissagreye8445]

Overall Joker was well received by a lot of people. It made a billion dollars at the box office.

[@BTT16]

@@Matt-tq9nd The Dark Knight's Joker, and pretty much ALL iterations of The Joker has the character fully embracing his madness...is that romanticizing mental illness? If so, I guess you're not a fan of the character.

[@BTT16]

@erosion271 Those were the reasons people didn't like it. You're just mad because I'm right. You say it's style over substance but then you prefer to watch the mainstream movies with more action over story. Get over yourself.

[@Matt-tq9nd]

@BTT16 no Hector explains. The Joker in the comics is mostly portrayed as not insane or mad. He's performing insanity but is not actually insane. He's as smart as batman. I like the Joker and he never "embraces madness" in live action. Jack Nicholson's Joker is a criminal like gangster who probably is a sociopath/psychopath. Jared Leto is similar but more unstable. Heath Ledger is the closest to the comics in that when people call him crazy he gets offended. He's not crazy. But in these adaptations we don't see them 1)STRUGGLE, 2)ADAPT, AND 3)OVERCOME/ACCEPT. Embracing madness is a horrible analogy never even used in those films. You make it seem like it's a core part of the character but I could list every Joker adaptation live-action appearances and animated and not one of them shows the Joker struggle/accept his mental illness. Listen to the show because Hector gave a good reason.

[@erosheartache2398]

The way mentally ill people are treated in America is a real issue!! It affects hundreds of thousands of people a year, and not just white men. Joker was a movie about poverty, neglect, abuse, and mentally ill people who fall though the cracks everyday. I felt intensely seen by the scenes with Arthur in his community clinics. I've had those exact conversations with my providers. It was not a glorification, its a cautionary tale. I love you guy's content, but respectfully, on this topic, its a hard disagree.

[@hectorminator]

I’m confused by what you think we said. I don’t think we ever said mental health issues aren’t real in the U.S.? And we didn’t say it was something that only affects white men. I’m glad you liked JOKER and felt seen, but this comment feels like you thought we said something we didn’t.

[@marcofabianhernandezsantos2697]

I don't understand your complaints, I mean, what does it matter if it's not like the Joker from the comics, specifically they give you another, somewhat more realistic point, even though they give you a different origin without the need for the Joker, no? can exist without Batman, now the part of your opinion where it is not supported why Arthur becomes Joker, it seems a little stupid coming from you. Don't you think that in real life There are people with mental problems and no one is interested or do they simply ignore them? And it not only talks about mental problems, but also about of poverty, corrupt governments and that explains nothing to you, I am also a fan of comics and I always want them to do well in the movies, for the character to be respected, and in the first movie if the character is respected by giving it another origin, everyone has their own opinion but I think they preferred not to see everything that was around and almost complain "since it's not like the comic book it's a bad movie

[@IGNACIORIGINAL]

*Joker is not a masterpiece but you can't say it didn't have a message, the message is really simple...* *It's how people reject and mistreat people with mental illnesses, they don't help them and they even close psychiatric clinics for money. In the end all that mistreatment and lack of help ends up turning him into a monster... Anyway people should not try to see so much depth into the movie either, since it's just an interpretation of the backstory of joker.*

[@alxinthehype]

@@IGNACIORIGINAL it just goes to show how the mistreatment and lack of love towards the downtrodden can lead to the systems demise. The movie was basically“Treat people with kindness and empathy” on a grandiose scale

[@IGNACIORIGINAL]

@@alxinthehype Absolutely..

[@theshadowfax239]

I've seen that message displayed over and over in entertainment and it's boring to me now. That's my thoughts about not liking the first movie. I can say that it was shot very well though, and the technical parts were well done.

[@IGNACIORIGINAL]

@@theshadowfax239 yeah it's not original, but the movie is reaaally good for me...

[@TheNathanChronicles]

If Joker bummed you out because of its bleakness, newsflash, it was meant to do that. That’s how you know it is a masterpiece. It made you feel something.

[@hectorminator]

That’s not why I felt disappointed with the first film. I don’t think it lived up to its premise, and the mixed messages hurt its storytelling. But I think it’s totally fine if other people liked it.

[@Dan-B]

There are a million and one depictions of the “real” Joker, IMO It’s good to see different takes on a character, rather than just rehashing the same one. Personally very excited for this movie, especially if it’s going to have musical elements. Joker and Harley are some of the most theatrical characters in modern fiction, it’s honestly surprising that we haven’t had a musical featuring them before now.

[@mightguy3118]

He's not the joker though. There is a difference between a different interpretation of a character and a completely different character.

[@jag61286]

Respect your takes on the first movie. I enjoyed the first one and thought it had a message, a bleak one. This sequel looks right in line with first and I can't wait to see what lady gaga brings to this!

[@gringobandito7475]

Really enjoyed joker really interesting hector doesn’t I appreciate his take and explanation. Just don’t agree! All love though!

[@hectorminator]

Hey thanks! Hope you dig the new one. = )

[@gringobandito7475]

@@hectorminator you are such a huge inspiration for my true nerd self. Whats your favorite joker storyline?

[@hectorminator]

@@gringobandito7475 Return of the Joker, Batman Beyond.

[@AnonymousGrogu]

The first one is fantastic, can’t wait for this one

[@aaronahlfeld8392]

First time I've ever heard comic fans argue that we know what the joker's story is and don't appreciate another take on it. So if this was a story that was already depicted in another form of media, then it would be good? I assume it has something to do with Todd Phillips and his off camera remarks, but I don't think we should judge art by the artist. We shouldn't go into a restaurant and judge our spaghetti by how the chef feels about Italian food.

[@michaelkaggwa4915]

@aaronahlfeld8392 these people don't understand that the story they know is left for the main continuity ( DCU ) while the story here is for else worlds

[@hectorminator]

@@michaelkaggwa4915lol no we got that, this story just didn’t work for us.

[@AnimeComicBlerd]

@@aaronahlfeld8392 one of the most annoying things with DC fans. They don’t wanna see different portrayals of the characters.

[@michaelkaggwa4915]

@@hectorminator Joker does not have a proper Story so what is your point? here both of them are unreliable narrators ( what you see in the trailers might not be the story )

[@SMarcey]

This is such an odd topic. I remember when the first Joker was announced I was dead set on hating the movie. I thought it was a massive waste of time and resources for Warner Brothers to make a movie about just the Joker when the DCEU was literally on fire. There wasnt a comic it was based on there was no real connective tissure to the greater world of Batman, and I was pretty miffed we hadnt gotten a Batman solo movie yet. The trailer looked dumb, the premise sounded dumb, and ill admit, I watched it mostly so I could articulately trash on it. Not my proudest moment. Then I saw the movie and was absolutely fucking flabbergasted. It was incredible. I loved how it pointed a finger at societys lack of interest in helping people. How it unabashedly pointed at the failure of our healthcare system, how it showed a man that reminded me of myself. I was diagnosed with ADHD in the mid 90s as I was in elementary school. Ive struggled with medications and the pressures of society that in so many ways tells you to conform and be normal and not being able to do that because I was physically and mentally incapable of doing so. I fully understand that Arthur Fleck is the bad guy. That is plain as day. The way he responds to the world that tells him his dreams are not worth pursuing, a world that leaves him poor, a world that has no interest in addressing his (pardon my Marxism) material conditions whatsoever is obviously not acceptable. Yet you cannont help but understand why he lashes out the way he does, why he felt he was driven to need to murder people. To me it is a stark warning of what happens to people when their material conditions are not met. It shows you that people will become uncaring monsters when society turns their back on them. Its a warning for our time. Its a warning that was not understood 100 years ago when Nazi Germany rose to power and I fear that the movies warning for us today will go unnoticed. The warning signs are all there. People are destitute and desperate and what you get when that happens is a world of Arthur Flecks. I do not know if this sequel will be able to even come close to that level of introspection, and to be frank Im just as trepidatious about this film as the first time around because it looks like they are going to fuck up Harleys origin story. Im going to go see it anyway because in my eyes the cast and production team has earned my benefit of the doubt.

[@mitchellatkins7126]

Saying it’s “far far less the masterpiece people say it is and didn’t say what I think it thought it was saying” is kind of ridiculous and honestly kinda pretentious basically saying it’s not as intelligent as it thinks, “not like me”. If you didn’t like the movie unlike 98% of the audience did then fine but don’t insult them by saying “oh it’s not as good or intelligent like you think and I was shocked at the reception” it’s a movie about joker what did you think you were getting?? They probably didn’t like the Batman either. But then again they’ll probably come back from Deadpool, like 99% of every marvel movie, and say it’s the greatest thing they’ve ever seen

[@tevinstvalle8704]

If u didnt enjoy the first joker then im sorry for you😂😂😂

[@SutraRein-xy4qr]

Ditto!

[@MilkshakeGuruTTV]

@@mitchfifield6296 So the audience gets to be as doomer/edgy/toxic as it wants all the time and try and review bomb everything but creators cannot dish out the same energy and be human? Okay.

[@gymvaq1880]

@@tevinstvalle8704 they enjoyed it but it’s not really joker, I agree with them

[@hectorminator]

Haha it’s alright. I’m good. ❤

[@py16667]

I mean, it was disturbing & a lot of people don’t “enjoy” being disturbed, not necessarily a bad thing lol

[@justinsmallwood4636]

Wow, I had a totally different reaction to the first movie. I took it as Fleck was the inspiration for the Joker who ends up as Batman’s nemesis. With the introduction of Harley in this film that appears to not be the case, but why are you so down on the multiverse / elseworlds idea now? I thought the message was that we should show kindness, support and empathy toward those with mental health issues as this was an, albeit fantastical, example of what can go wrong. I didn’t think the original glorified this, but rather showed the glorification that these individuals can (inappropriately) feel from their actions and the attention they bring.

[@hufemeve]

"for once, in my life, I've got someone who needs me" That's Joker 2 what's all about 👈 "the whole movie revolves around that statement "

[@kblixt]

I’m highly anticipating this!

[@rogersjgregory]

If these types of movies are not your jam, I get it. The first movie was about him becoming Joker, not about Joker from start to finish, and it mingled in mental health issues, child abuse, and bullying. It was very nihilistic, and that can rub people up the wrong way, but I personally loved the movie. I enjoyed the performances, the story, the cinematography and the score. It's entertainment, and in entertainment there are horror movies, slasher movies, crime thrillers, and psychological thrillers, where there are characters that do reprehensible acts to others, yet no one is worried about anyone copying them, or stating that the writers or directors endorse the character's actions. Just take it for what it is, not what it isn't.

[@LORDSkrayola]

It’s okay to make a movie that isn’t glued to comic law. We’ve had SO many jokers, it’s saying something that the world has applauded a film that isn’t CG heavy, comic accurate. I’m a comic fan but this is refreshing, it’s a character study that takes the character seriously, rather than making these characters campy

[@mightguy3118]

Don't name it a joker if you're going to make him absolutely nothing like the joker 🤷 just make him a new character and name the movie something else.

[@LORDSkrayola]

@@mightguy3118 this is joker though, just not the version popular culture has made iconic. Every comic character has different runs and iterations, one doesn’t erase the other. If ledger or Hamil are your joker for example, then watch those instead. Comic fans in particular are guilty of trying to control something that isn’t actually there’s to control, billions like this version, it’s for us

[@mightguy3118]

@@LORDSkrayola besides wearing clown makeup what about him is the joker? A guy can put on a Batman suit and play basketball. Does that make him batman? No he's a whole different character.

[@mightguy3118]

@@LORDSkrayola "It's for us" people who watch this came to see the joker lmao. Is he intelligent? No. Is he intimidating? No. Is he manipulative? No. Is he a criminal mastermind? No. Is he Gotham's clown Prince of crime? No. Does he feel dangerous? No. These are very BASIC qualities that makes the joker the joker. this is not the joker, it's just a mentally ill guy who wears clown makeup

[@LORDSkrayola]

@@mightguy3118 if you don’t get it then dw lol. It’s a sequel… if you didn’t like the first then this isn’t for you. The billions of us that like this version will continue to enjoy 👌🏾 Also don’t get this upset over fiction, it’s a bad look

[@TTVTheDoctorJay]

this is a bummer of a reaction to watch.....

[@cjsykes7467]

I didn’t even make it to the reaction.

[@egarci1010]

At minimum, the first one took risks in a genre that doesn’t take risks often. I liked the first movie. The first one has a message, a dark one, but a message nonetheless.

[@S.A.N.503]

There are so many things that in my opinion, that are wrong about your take on the first film, the "message" of that film, what the film even is in regard to the character of Joker, the story of the film, all stated by the director himself. We know Joker is an unreliable narrator, so all of the events, half of the events, or just a few things about the story he told in some room with a psychiatrist could or could not be true. But it sounds like you guys think it was a film that was glorifying violence and taking shots at the mentally ill. When that's the complete opposite "message" I got from the film. It was a film about the mental health crisis in this country, and hoe broken some of our systems are at helping these people, combined with a society that feels ignored, is dealing with poverty, and how all of those things can come to a head if we choose to do nothing about it. But let's also not forget, it's a movie about a VILLAIN! Ya know, the murderous psychopathic killer that is Joker. So, it's not going to be ice cream and rose pedals. They were trying to explore what makes a person that way in a grounded reality. I could go on, but I respect your opinion. I just obviously disagree. It's one of my 2 favorite DC films ever made. Along with The Batman. Maybe you guys should just skip this movie if you already seem to have your minds set up already.

[@clarissa182]

I will say in regards to Harley, it doesn't look like the toxic relationship angle we are used to. It actually seems like Harley is in a weird way, in this world, the only one who understands Arthur and is actually pushing him to be himself... So they are more of a Bonnie and Clyde than an abusive situation. Also, my entire take of rhe first film was all about society, how it treats those with mental health problems, how those people become villanized when they aren't given the help needed and become victims to their illness. It could be taken as a less to society in a way as to why more services should be offered (which I felt the scene of him being told there wouldn't be more funding dor his counseling and medication). Also, it was never established that this would be the Joker to face Batman. We see he inspired many people from his actions, which led to Wayne being killed in the firsy film. The same could be the case for the person who becomes the actual Joker, if that's what they are going for. Any who, it's not a film I like to rewatch because it's sad and grim, but I am excited for the sequel.

[@christopherreed7508]

I feel you are too hard on the first movie. It was masterful, for what it was. A study of mania. My problem with it is, I don't see how we get from this character to a criminal mastermind. Hopefully this movie can bring him there.

[@gingerdog8203]

Its just their opinion

[@gingerdog8203]

Thats the thing, this character doesn't feel like he'd ever become one. It seems more like he does whatever he wants just because and the writing treats him as one

[@christopherreed7508]

@@gingerdog8203 okay. And this is my opinion. It's called conversation.

[@christopherreed7508]

@erosion271 okay. And, yeah from the inside. Why so hostile?

[@michaelschaub4267]

Joker was a masterpiece my friends, an absolute banger

[@thelaughingstormbornagain1297]

You get the thumbs up because I love watching you guys but I don't think our opinions on Joker could be anymore different. I love what Joker is in the comics, animated shows/movies and films because I'm open to the character being adapted in different ways. I'm ok with hm being his own thing it wont detract from what James Gunn does with the character later. With what will likely be something closer to what you're used to. I think the Joker film has something to say and it says it eloquently. I think its a valid interpretation of the character. Variety is the spice of life we have the rest of time to play with these characters lets spice things up from time to time.

[@revrodgers]

I think I didn’t like the takes on this review because of the guys’ expectations. Now, take this as Universe 212 of the Multiverse and I think you would have a totally different take on the movie. This is where some reviews go off the rails. Please review these properties based on the quality of the stories and not your expectations. With all due respect, I usually don’t dislike your reviews but I didn’t agree at all with the thoughts.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

The first Joker film is an interesting one. I loved it on every level. I didn't think there was one bad thing about it. I also don't think it was glorifying violence or crime in any way, either. I can sorta see how you might come to that conclusion, but I think the more recent, completely sane and decidedly evil Joker in the comics is more of a glorification of violence than Arthur Fleck is. Arthur Fleck is more what I think Killing Joke tried to do and failed at, which is just to show the degradation of a man's psychological and emotional health sos much so that it completely breaks him, assuming he wasn't broken already. I think you guys are right in that the film didn't really talk about or address the topics it presented, but I think that's kinda the point. In the time the film is set, nobody did talk about that stuff. Even today, people don't talk much about it because they don't LIKE yo talk about it. It's uncomfortable. And it can often lead to people who are in positions such as Arthur Fleck going to the same extremes as he did. Because people break like he did all the time. And every time it happens, every time there's a shooting, or some other incident, we might say a few things about gun control or about mental health, but then nobody actually does anything. We talk about it thinking that just talking will stop the problem, but it won't. Action needs to be taken, and I think the whole POINT of Joker is to show what will happen (and continue to happen), in a movie format, if we keep talking without acting. Most people aren't subject to the kind of violence people like Arthur unleash. Most people don't have friends or family who are victimized by their violence. So in trying to get the audience to synpathize with Arthur, they're not trying to get the audience to think he's in the right, they're trying to get them to wake up and realize that they actually need to do something instead of just talking. But also, Hector is completely right. If these weren't Joker movies, they wouldn't have been anywhere near as popular. I think Todd Philip has even said that the inly way WB would make the film is if he turned into a Joker film. So it wasn't even his idea. But in a way, I think that's a good thing, because it helped to put eyes on the story, and hopefully did a lot more of what I said it was trying to do than it would have done if it were just the average depressing drama film.

[@franticrage73]

Wow. Not liking the first one? Shoot, even my mom that doesn’t watch movies, much less ones like the first, enjoyed it. Mostly because of the reflection of society on how we treat people with mental problems. I liked it myself. Hoping I enjoy this one more.

[@darrinnoble]

I have tried so many times but I can't do it.

[@theshadowfax239]

Part of the reason I don't like the movie is because I couldn't muster any sympathy for the Joker character and the mentally ill edgy outsider trope has been done too much and not one that I'm very interested in. Also, I think the trope of showing things that didn't really happen as if they did happen was done poorly, and since that's such a movie cliche it needs to be done really well for it to be interesting for me instead of feeling like a cop out by the writers. Just my 2 cents.

[@LovesteinJr]

very on brand of hector to not like Joker 2019, I think it might've been too "offensive" because it had a mentally ill person turn into a murderer.

[@KG242722]

Well Well Well... How the tables have turned - Hector & Agustin being just a tad bit salty over someone not respecting the source material 😂😂😂 Now you know why those GoT / HOTD fans left you guys all those heartwarming comments (loved your response BTW) 😂😂😂

[@hectorminator]

I don’t know how the way we responded to the first Joker movie is the same as the way we watched House of the Dragon. HOTD was made by people who very much care about the source material, no?

[@thelaughingstormbornagain1297]

Joker wasn't in his situation because of his skin color and the film doesn't say it is the reason. He was a generally weird and off putting person. who like many in Gotham has mental issues that are being ignored. The film tries to show the kind of city Bruce Waynes father was running left many people like Arthur without the health care and mental care they desperately needed. It was not about race. Many in Gotham were waiting for anyone to light the fuse to their growing anger. Arthur by chance becomes that person. IMO it works perfectly with most jokers who lead chaotic groups of people.

[@Justjoshinh]

full disclosure, ive been diagnosed with mental problems, and 100% this movie doesnt provide the best insight in our mind and what it means to "walk in our shoes" but what it did do was be a good case study, for feeling relatable, alot, in hard times with our condition, albeit it was to an extreme none of us should ever take it, but, it was a case of "you should never judge someone from how they appear, everyone is battling there own demons" thats how i saw it, the ending went a bit too far but i think thats divide we have to make with this movie, yes it helps you understand mental illness but like a dangerous weapon, you learn to respect it, in the sense that you know it can harm you but you treat it like something to be "careful with" i dont agree with everything that happened in the movie but i can for the most part relate

[@grahamreid4635]

I don’t necessarily agree with the take on Harley Quinn as a character. I mean, yes, she has had her independence which is fantastic for her! However, her character has and always will be a tragic one. She was driven clinically insane to the point of murdering by someone she thought she loved. It isn’t a nice story and it’s toxic alright; but it’s also the joker. He IS toxic. He doesn’t care about Harley, not really.

[@JonathanLopez-pw5xg]

@@grahamreid4635 there you go!

[@robertshepard3894]

Definitely think harley is manipulating joker in this

[@DrewskyPark]

Jeez I didn’t realize how much you guys didn’t like the first one. This was a bit of a bummer hopefully the 2nd one is good for you guys

[@alonsotorres165]

The first Joker movie was nothing short of a masterpiece. The fact that Batman was involved is what made it special. We got to see an in depth look of a man that is dealing with issues and to take a stand for himself and others like him so they are not taken advantage of, indicative of real life. The new trailer is vague and I think that was intentional so the audience doesn't have a preconceived idea as to what the movie will be about, which is usually typical amongst movie trailers nowadays.

[@gingerdog8203]

We all have opinions, isn't that great!

[@alonsotorres165]

@@gingerdog8203 that’s one of the purposes of being in an open chat about a certain type of movie

[@roninunchained]

Once again, this is one of the few times I disagree with the fellas, outside of the technical/performance talk. I dug the 1st movie and yet, that's ok. We're still gona get along, I'll continue watching their stuff and we'll get drinks at Comic Con.

[@MichaelRaymakers]

This is the only comment I dig, even if I don't agree. Nothing but love.

[@robertmartinez7537]

I'm getting One who flew over the cuckoo's nest vibes and I hope they take on the imagination versus reality.

[@deadsolidperfect6776]

Joker was brilliant as was everything that brought it to Venice, the Golden Lion and the awards it garnered since. It seems to have become "cool" to hate it after all the accolades, but that's an opinion that might not hit home here.

[@hectorminator]

My opinion of the first film hasn’t changed since the first time I saw it. (And I got a ton of flack for it then, too, lol)

[@deadsolidperfect6776]

@@hectorminator The movie wasn't for everyone, so if it didn't find a fan in you that's understandable. My comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular, more the sense that people have had 5 years to find ways to defend their feelings by attacking a brilliant movie. The accolades it garnered mock that line of thought. No reason for people to defend their feelings unless they are unsure of them as well? Anyway, thanks for the reply and Folie a Deux is heading to Venice as well. The artistic director, Alberto Barbera and several others saw the movie in February. From an interview yesterday with Deadline, ""It's a continuation of the story, but the film is completely different from the first film. If you're expecting the same in terms of violence or other things, you'll be surprised," Barbera said. "When I saw the film in L.A. at the beginning of February there were four or five of us in the screening room, including writer Scott Silver, and we were astonished, our mouths were open at the end of the screening. It is a darker film." "Barbera praised Phillips' creative risks for the sequel and believes fans will appreciate it. "It's a dystopian musical, or a musical of sorts. I think it's one of the most daring, brave and creative films in recent American cinema," Barbera said. "And, I think it really confirms Todd Phillips as one of the most creative directors working at the moment." Be well.

[@moeshak9944]

20 mins wrongful narrative of wat todd philups is actually doing. you say you love dc does elseworld and at the same time you are bashing their approach and execution how does that work. speaking from both sides of your mouth

[@tylerbrown5526]

Can't help but feel like this movie is gonna make people overlook the Joker/Harley abuse/toxicity of their relationship (even more).

[@kptmaci4979]

I hope it focuses on it. But it looks like its a twist on their relationship and Harley seems to be looking for violence even more than Arthur. Its not classic Joker Harley we see

[@igorgramlik]

It’s ok not liking the movie because u are a fan of comic books… but not all marvels and Dc’s movies and series are already inspired by the comic books ? Can we all take a break and appreciate this one for what actually is?!

[@NCman888]

I don’t get the hate. If it was a bunch of superheroes teaming up to beat a space creature y’all would drool over it. That’s a story told 1 million times over

[@mightguy3118]

Maybe because this guy is nothing like the joker?

[@kacornish1]

I love these guys… I love them enough to NOT come back for any more Joker videos, lol. I forgot they didn’t like the movie. I thought the first movie was great. I hate musicals, but I’m looking forward to the next movie. I’ll be back for their Deadpool review.

[@hectorminator]

Musicals are great! Watch more musicals!

[@SmokinDroFrayser]

The first takes a couple watches but it’s my favorite now

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

I'll say this right now, if y'all come away from Joker 2 hating on it like y'all did the first movie, may God have mercy on y'all souls...

[@city4ever642]

Imagine not liking the first one lol 😂 it didn’t get mixed reviews. The negative reviews came from Karen’s lol. It absolutely had a message! Treat people with kindness because you don’t know the battles they fight alone. Such a disappointing reaction

[@StevenDavisonYT]

“Will these two movies impact people’s view of the character moving forward” What is bro even saying, people will compare every performance to Ledger regardless of the story. But more importantly everyone roundly agreed Jared Leto’s Joker was crap and then we got a new Joker a couple years later people enjoyed so much it became the highest grossing R-rated film ever until this year.

[@iamsaaddar]

Lol The Batman didn't do 1 billion but the Joker did 😂😂😂

[@jillvalley212416]

Damn all that Joker slander is crazy.

[@Farisss11]

deadpool & wolverine = we are the best duo this year joker & harley = hold that thought buddy

[@Farisss11]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 definitely agreed, we still have time to praise d&w before joker and harley comes 🤣

[@JulieLewis-bl6ut]

I CAN'T WAIT to watch Joker: Folie A Deux!!💜💚💜💚

[@stealahb]

i'm chuckling that Brendan Gleeson is gonna be in another movie with a joker [thinking "Banshees of Inisherin" with Barry and now this with Joaquin]. as a random, what i was hoping for - in general - was a slate of [black label?] films like this: i want to see an older President Lex movie and that sort of thing. pull characters/villains and do these one-off elseworldy vibes.

[@moeshak9944]

your not gonna see joker in gunn. matts gonna do joker again. your not gonna have 3 jokers

[@MuscleBound_withDre]

Technically, hear me out. The 3 joker story line IS. A thing

[@Wolfhunter5607]

yea it’ll be a while before Gunn uses Joker. which is fine bc Batman has a shit ton of good villains

[@gpauldejesus]

i like the first one more so for what it does stylistically and technically, i just think its put together very well and i just enjoy watching it but i did love your review and agree with almost everything you had to say about it, what you said about how it would’ve been better if Bruce was the one who got shot was 100% on point

[@CurseTheCosmos]

Reading some of these comments proves that fanboys really need to start watching more films that aren't super hero related. "Joker" is a competent but painfully derivative movie. It leans heavily on better films that came out long before it. Hell, there are better, recent movies where Joaquin Phoenix plays a mentally disturbed individual. Hector's not wrong; if there wasn't the faintest whiff of intellectual property slapped on it, people would've moved on from it. I'd love for fanboys to not delve into pseudo-intellectual BS whenever a goddamn movie like this releases, but that's like asking for world peace.

[@aliensuperstar7622]

And that’s your opinion, most people don’t agree with you or the guys in this video. So everything you just said was really pointless. Cause me and everyone else are still going to love the first one and are very excited for the second one.

[@CurseTheCosmos]

And you missed my point entirely. You enjoy it, fine. Literally no one is taking that from you, but acting like these movies are the be-all end-all of cinema is ridiculous. That’s the issue with you fanboys. One ounce of criticism/pushback and you get all up in your feelings about it.

[@JBlood-gf5pv]

Dystopian Silver Linings Playbook.

[@Hmellon92]

This is why I love you guys - people always complain that you like everything and you guys don’t like the movie most people love! Of course I loved the first but I’m super excited for the second too

[@cartmanbruh23]

When DC gives you something that's unique (creatively) way from teh comics, "Oh I didn't like the creative freedom they took. When DC gives you something as in comics, "Oh they didn't give us anything new". C'mon guys!

[@HeroesReforged]

Massive oversimplification of a 20 minute conversation.

[@Wolfhunter5607]

i hope Gunn sticks with elseworlds if people have new ideas and takes on characters and don’t want to be apart of the whole universe bs

[@pobstrel]

​@@HeroesReforgedIt's what you said though.

[@NicholasMarakas]

Actually, he’s got a point. Sorry.

[@cartmanbruh23]

C'mon son.. 'didn't enjoy the first one'? It was a cinematic masterpiece.

[@joshualeon3223]

Love you guys! I do however disagree with you guys on the first Joker. I really liked it. Oddly enough tho, this second one isn't doing it for me based off of what I've seen so far. Thanks for the content. :)

[@moeshak9944]

so logan was a seperate movie for marvel and now they integrated into mcu which i dont love. i love how dc can do elseworld seperate movies

[@BobbyM817]

Logan is a part of the Marvel multiverse, not into the main MCU. Plus, the Wolverine from Deadpool 3 is confirmed to NOT be the same Wolverine from Logan.

[@Wolfhunter5607]

DC has a multiverse too but u won’t see pattinson or joaquin in a DCU movie. don’t think they’re touching the multiverse anytime soon

[@revrodgers]

Exactly! I don’t get Hector and Augustin at all and it seems Adam is trying to NOT disagree with them

[@revrodgers]

@@BobbyM817That’s the point!

[@AlxRo66]

I’d like them to top off this trilogy with his interaction with Batman in the third movie.

[@CaptainF68]

I totally agree with Hector. Great Performance by JP, but no connection with the Joker from the comics for me. And i‘m not even a big fan of the Joker.

[@marcusmoore76]

Really have to disagree with you guys on the first movie .

[@marksafe5463]

I ultimately felt disappointed by the first movie and pretty much agree with everything you guys talked about. I think the problem is a lot of times filmmakers don’t appreciate how good comic book can be.

[@harveyjane432]

Joaquin Phoenix ❤❤❤

[@darrylc2875]

Hector you’re coming across as a comic book snob. I get you though. I sometimes fell snobby for the same reasons.

[@youtongan]

Loved the 1st movie.

[@GavinUK_86]

I enjoyed the first movie for what it was. I don't really agree with the hate it's getting here. It wasn't mind-blowing or anything but it was good. It was better than most of the DCU output that's for sure. This one looks pretty interesting with the addition of Harley and the other Batman characters. I don't need movies to have some grand statement, just give me something interesting to watch for 2 hours and I'm golden. The first movie did that and I'm hoping this one does too. Really not a fan of seeing Hector shitting on filmmakers though. Only other Todd Phillips movie I've seen is The Hangover though so maybe he is a bit shit at his job. Either way, it comes across as a bit mean spirited. Not been a fun time for Hector lately with HOTD and now this eh?

[@vegetabletube7061]

Augustin, you can ship Batman and Joker relationship later on.

[@JayEmersontheman]

Didn’t enjoy the first film? Okay gotta go lmao this one looks good though

[@justinvarnet5461]

I think if you did not like Joker, don't watch this one. I question your taste in movies, movies taste are subjective, but with respect we don't need you for this one

[@MichaelRaymakers]

With respect, we don't need you for this one either.

[@iamsaaddar]

I get it why comic book fans didn't like the movie 😂😂😂

[@rauliherquin]

The first Joker was unexpected and good but it’s a movie to watch only one time. I’ll do the same with this ☝️

[@L4V071]

really poor takes in this.

[@hectorminator]

Poor? Nah, we’re good. Thanks.

[@moeshak9944]

they must also hate maverick top gunn than. top gunn was also about goose. how dare they make a movie about maverick lol. same logic you should also hate matt reeves batman because the riddler wasnt really riddler. Being too sensitive with the comics. its different iteration and spin. they never disrspected dc comics. its idfferent and thats okay

[@joshua_w92jalen15]

This makes no sense maverick is the main character of the first top gun😂 and what they’re saying is the creative team of the movie seems like they’re telling an original story and just using the iconography and name brand of the joker because it will make it more successful. Having the riddler in a Batman movie be a lil different isn’t the same thing

[@MichaelRaymakers]

Top Gun with two N's? Yeah, the rest of your sentence I'm not even gonna read 😂

[@Michael-ko7jb]

damn hector sounds like a hater. i'm sure the film is going to do great and there will be huge box office along with acclaim, very much looking forward to joker 2.

[@GregMcCoyUSC]

If the first film was call "The Comedian" or something like that, and played out the same way minus the face paint it would be just a great film. But this just isn't the "Joker" character. When you add that in, it's what disconnects it for me. Maybe with an evolution in the character you can get to that place, but I don't see how this gets there. As an elseworlds, it was fine, but I didn't like the first one, don't care to see this one. But for those who loved the first one, is this first trailer showing you something that you think you'll like from the sequel?

[@aliensuperstar7622]

How about y’all just now watch this second movie then, cause all I’m hearing is a bunch of complaining about this movie not really being what it is that you want.

[@GregMcCoyUSC]

@@aliensuperstar7622 well, I said I didn't care to see it, so that means I won't go see it lol. But we can still talk about the movie, I'm saying it didn't connect with me with what that character actually is from the comics. If other's love it, I'm glad they have something to connect to and appreciate.

[@JEscobar1984]

They need to have a batman cameo or any of the villians making a cameo to make it feel like a batman universe.

[@HardlinerTheGeek]

Why does it need to be in a Batman universe?

[@movies798]

In my opinion, I think the Joker movie is a pretty decent movie as a non-comic book movie. But if you watch it as a comic book fan than it may not be good. But I do agreed with Hector that the first movie didn't need to include Bruce Wayne/Batman. Wasn't a fan of that easter egg. Or the scene they include the death of his parents.

[@clairealderwood1928]

Best Joker: Cesar Romero-Jr.I loved the camp of the 1960s tv show.

[@Tizjiz]

I looooved the first movie but I 100% understand where Hector is coming from. I'm treating this like an Elseworlds even if the original movie concept wasn't a Joker movie. It shows the strength of these iconic comic characters.

[@marioayala9679]

I 100% agree with what Hector said. I think they used the Joker name to create buzz around the film.

[@margiemolina6943]

I appreciate your opinions on DC but it sure makes it difficult to watch your reactions to anything DC-related. But I'll keep watching as you have really good insights on other forms of media.

[@Patrick-wl6pw]

I disagree love joker reminds fight club American psycho won't made today I read comic book

[@mgtmgt]

I agree. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who felt a bit off about the first film as must as it was a good film in certain aspects. Glad you guys were able to vocalize what I quite couldn't understand at first why I didn't vibe fully with the first Joker

[@blahblahhbrook]

Fantastic post-trailer discussion fellas

[@peterparker-zl2mc]

Exited stage left.

[@gingerdog8203]

Bye

[@post2033]

Agree with the guys 100% about the first movie. That said, super excited for this one because of Gaga. I will give the first another go before October.