Joker II: Folie à Deux - The Weekly Planet Podcast

[@jamesdavis1052]

"Your base level of knowledge doesn't have the foundation for me to explain anything to you." Great line.

[@kingfield99]

I'm getting that on a tee-shirt

[@biriteca27]

36:30 for anyone that wants to hear it again

[@unnecessarybasscovers9711]

This is so powerful

[@s1ckboirari]

The end of the movie was amazing, the way he climbed OUT of the fridge and it reveals he was just having a very cold nap! Genius!!

[@MrTrick.]

Looking forward to when James harvests the poor reviews for Joker 2 and uses them for Mason's favourite bit.

[@rainbowcrash6990]

Maso will be feeling pretty blue by the end of it!

[@tonys7246]

I wanna see him dig up the few good reviews and use those

[@Henez89]

Deux Harvest

[@Sweeney2403]

But the answer with still be Joker. The movie Joker

[@sathrielsatanson666]

It's gonna be a Blue Harvest which coincidentially was a working title of the original Star Wars movie.

[@bzybrain]

Been listening for about 10 years (15-24), and i cant express how grateful i am to still have this show every week. Two smart, funny, empathetic guys breaking down our nerd shit brings me an invaluable sense of security and joy

[@TheDreamWyrm]

Same! 18-28

[@sebastianalegria3401]

"You ask me if I have negative reviews. All I have are negative reviews".

[@stellviahohenheim]

You ask me if i want to be cop rped. All i want is to be cop rped

[@HOTD108_]

​@@stellviahohenheimWhat?

[@videogamenostalgia]

I loved that musical number where Joker and Harley looked straight into the camera and sang in unison *"RED HOT COMIC BOOK MOVIE NEWS - defenders of the earth (defenders) - THE WEEKLY PLANET, THE WEEKLY PLANET"* it added a real level of thematic depth to the story

[@Marvelfan-nu7ve]

Todd Phillips is a coward for cutting out the "Shooting up your buthole" part. That what make the musical number great in the first place

[@sathrielsatanson666]

It was a real proof that we livw in a society.

[@Edwardrabbit]

The real blue joker is the harvest we made along the way

[@NickBradford-ck7ry]

Well it is the scariest time of the year, Snake Eyes review season

[@Murk__1]

You make cool vids. I will put you in my will

[@raven4152001]

And here.... we... go.

[@futureboy314]

I understood this reference!!!!

[@johnson-p7i]

sick reference bro

[@toastedzen]

This is the first Joker-adjacent post to make me happy this week.

[@raven4152001]

​@@toastedzen- 😅

[@BigPlayG93]

"let's get dcu batman going as soon as possible to make it more in line with the MCU" Where have I heard that before

[@JuiKuen]

And then they got a great one and screwed that up. Wb and DC are a shambles.

[@chriswho4232]

At the start: "well, I guess that soda popping bit is over no-..... I'm sorry for doubting your commitment, James."

[@danielwilliams4701]

I was really worried for a minute that my boys weren't staying hydrated

[@chriswho4232]

At least we know that, no matter what, they are always staying prayed up

[@androgynous_rexx]

"You just go tip to tip all goddamn night" I'm dead ☠️

[@matthemming9105]

Just got there. Dead.

[@largepurplemonkey]

@@matthemming9105 I thought it was funny too. I didn't die though

[@matthemming9105]

@@largepurplemonkey then I guess it made you stronger?

[@GaryOPostle]

I imagine that Todd Philips might’ve realised joker was beloved by a large amount of people he wouldn’t want to be stuck in a room with and then made joker 2 to try and show the critics that he gets it actually

[@netforce0]

Yeah I get that vibe lol and he probably was begged by movie executives to make it lol

[@urgrannysbf]

It's exactly that, considering he never intended to expand into the Gotham city mythos with other characters

[@jinxysaberk]

@@urgrannysbfyk except setting up batmans entire origin story in the first movie 💀

[@urgrannysbf]

@@jinxysaberk Yup that's shitty writing for ya

[@arrickcobell9775]

"Just going tip to tip all God damn night" he says 😂😂😂 Thank you ❤

[@Hockeyhobo89]

Now this movie really made me become the Joker II

[@danielwilliams4701]

Spoiler alert: if there is no double stair kick, then what was the point of the whole movie?

[@stellviahohenheim]

Lady gaga minge kick

[@Renoistic]

I'm still in disbelief that half of Gaga's scenes is just her silently sitting in a chair.

[@jazzycat8917]

I feel like the Venn diagram of people who REALLY loved the first Joker movie, and people who REALLY love Lady Gaga and movie musicals is not a large cross section, so I guess my biggest question is "Who on earth was this supposed to be for?"

[@hada__02]

That’s just two circles at that stage

[@Dorian_sapiens]

I guess this probably goes against the conventional wisdom about sequels, but I don't think a movie that's part of a previously-established property or continuity is obligated to appeal to fans of the previous installments. (I know that said fans, in particular, are fuming at this statement, but I stand by it.) Edited to directly answer the OP's question: Presumably, this movie was supposed to be for people who like Lady Gaga and musicals and liked the idea of adding both of those to a movie about Joaqin Phoenix's Joker. It's not that deep.

[@jazzycat8917]

@@Dorian_sapiens no i think when studios are spending such huge sums of money on something like this, it is in fact a little bit deeper than that.

[@mullaoslo]

I loved the first movie, not a big gaga fan but I do respect her as a singer.. I loved this movie

[@Dorian_sapiens]

@@jazzycat8917 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ My explanation doesn't imply that the decision to make such a movie was a correct decision, by your standards, my standards, box office standards, or anything else. I just find that the world in general tends to make more sense when I assume that other people make decisions for reasons that make sense to them, and then try to figure out those reasons, rather than insisting that their decisions simply must be irrational because they aren't the decisions I would have made.

[@epicbruhmoment6985]

I just thinks its fascinating to take a movie that uses the ambiguity of whats real as a huge selling point and then make the sequel delegating specifically what was and was not real.

[@DavisA1409]

This is the end of the Joker franchise. Congrats everyone! Couldn't have done it without you all 🎉❤🎉

[@AnonymousMemeConnoisseur]

32:26 I’m a newer fan to The Weekly Planet and Caravan of Garbage (I only subscribed maybe a little over a year ago?) so it brought great joy to my heart to hear that James and Maso love The Last Jedi. Watching The Last Jedi for the first time in theaters is to this day my favorite movie theater experience, even above seeing MCU movies. I recently rewatched all 9 Skywalker Saga movies and I love the sequels altogether, despite the vitriol from Star Wars “fans”. My respect for James and Maso was high, but I think it just increased 10 fold!

[@Gargarks]

Same on TLJ part. I already loved these guys, but it just feels good to listen to people who enjoy it like I do.

[@AlexC-f9u]

Lol you're wack asf and corny 😂😂 imagine liking the sequels

[@morgalorga1987]

James and Maso are pretty based for ( presumably ) 35+ y/o white men

[@MITHYKA]

Can't wait for Maso to guess the review now that there's a deux revieux

[@tybo8377]

Why did they make harley an inmate and not the jokers psychiatrist? They got rid of one of the most interesting aspects of their relationship

[@Elfenlied8675309]

Because DC barely even acknowledges their early relationship in comic books anymore, now that Harley is like the 4th highest selling DC character or whatever.

[@kylecarter1599]

A movie called The Joker isn't about The Joker, and the sequel is about how the guy from the first movie isn't The Joker. Who would have thought this sequel wouldn't work?

[@chrissadler6459]

I predicted it's failure the moment I heard they were making a sequel

[@ollieculleton9598]

A😮95eO​@@chrissadler6459

[@krusnik94]

Maso, Thank you for continuing to mention The Guyver. You, me and like 4 other people know what you're talking about

[@lukemarshall1260]

When has a fandom ever had a unified view on anything? Pandering to the fandom is what makes content worse, you cannot please everyone.

[@WillTheGreatest]

Only good example Ive seen was the outcry for sonics original movie design then they fixed it but thats more the exception than the rule

[@myautobiographyafanfic1413]

Part of The Rugrats is their imagination, how they perceive the world wrong, or imagine things when they play. Likely, that will be the CG part.

[@dariendarkhouse8538]

Todd Phillips just used the names of the characters to get people into seats. Hearing about that mixed with the musical aspect is why I waited and eventually decided to not pay into it

[@LSB44446]

The bit about people saying "Joker" instead of "The Joker" has bugged me since the time a substitute teacher got upset at me drawing Heath Ledger's Joker in class, and said "Stop! Don't do that! Stop drawing Joker!"

[@rainbowcrash6990]

I saw the cut review on Mr Sunday Main Channel... but i had to listen here... otherwise i wouldnt know how refreshed hes feeling.

[@michalkleszcz]

I can't believe WIllie Nelson is the last highwayman left...

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Or perhaps just just a single drop of rain, either way, he always will remain

[@Dorian_sapiens]

@@shinobi-no-bueno 👏👏👏

[@jinxysaberk]

this movie to me legit just feels like a response to “oh you didn’t get the first one” rather than an expansion. I don’t think there was a massive amount of subtlety in the original but there was room for speculation. This just shuts the books on your fingers saying “NOPE YOURE WRONG” i think for me that’s why it falls apart. I never thought arthur fleck was cool but i did like the idea that we don’t know if he becomes the joker

[@matthemming9105]

I think the song Kristofferson pitched to Cash via a helicopter trip was Sunday Morning Coming Down. Yes, I'm old. What of it??

[@chilispillin]

1:06:10 I was literally thinking “oh shit they did the zack Snyder idea?”

[@team_coco-mintkonnor3301]

Maybe society was the jokers we made along the way

[@iouiscolingreen1373]

I loved the 1st joker film, and i always thought the whole point was hes been ignored by society and abandoned and just lost it with those awful people on the subway. It wasnt very subtle but it was good. I didnt even realise people though Joker was a cool guy to look up to.

[@Renoistic]

The thing is we could never really know what was real and who was actually a bad person because Arthur was an extremely unreliable narrator. Anyway, there are people who idolize Tony Montana / Scarface so there will always be weirdoes.

[@iouiscolingreen1373]

@Renoistic ahh yeh forgot about that very good point. I hevant seen it in ages but i never understood why maso disliked joker 1 so much. But now i get it if loads of people idolised joker as some sort of incel chad.

[@kalanicook1]

I’m so sad , I was in Melbourne for the week like 2 weeks ago and just missed the live show and I was staying around the corner from it on Sydney road in Brunswick !! BIG UPS A1 BAKERY!

[@CptnAwsmBalls]

Well this fills in my first 2 hours of work tomorrow. Factoring in the 20 minutes im allowing to pull the truck over and jump out for a slash from laughing too much.

[@LincolnTerminator]

The only thing that makes waking up at 5am on Monday for work are these blokes,, cheers mates 🥂

[@eastvandb]

I'm exhausted just READING about getting up at 5 am!

[@LincolnTerminator]

@@eastvandb ahh tell me about it

[@eastvandb]

@@LincolnTerminator I feel your pain!

[@Daniel-gf5cr]

The weirdest thing about Joker Folie A Poo is that they have the guards rape Arthur, a mentally ill man who has been abused his whole life, and after that he has somehow healed and isn't mentally ill anymore. At least that's what they insunuate

[@NERPolitan]

he isn't healed after that... what made you think that?

[@Renoistic]

It's more like they abused the Joker out of him. It's really weird. You could argue the point is that he never was the Joker to begin with, but it's still weird. Then again, the whole Batman franchise is still stuck in the 1920s with regards to mental health issues.

[@adrianschroeder2798]

RIP Kris Kristofferson Convoy is an American classic

[@Persephone_Personified]

In the comics Jokers real name is Blue Harvest.

[@Liam-h9s2k]

Genius

[@17absolut]

Oh shit, Rodney !!!

[@kasiaszumniak9796]

Fun fact: George Lucas was big DC fan, that's why the working title for original Star Wars was Blue Harvest.

[@MrOtistetrax]

In the comics, Joe Chill executed this joke outside of a theatre 80 years ago.

[@raisinbman]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!

[@zombizzle_]

OH SHIT SNAKE EYES NEXT WEEK BOOOOOOYS

[@tybo8377]

Can't wait

[@toksin4o]

The apple bit reminded me of the Jeff Winger stand-up scene from the Community MeowMeowBeenz episode

[@LouerTube]

I just finished that Sandman Mystery Theatre book, it's fantastic, can't wait for the second compendium.

[@johnpotts8308]

Obviously James hasn't had a Hard Day's Night. Being Australian, he'd have a Hard Night's Day (except while he's visiting the UK).

[@Dorian_sapiens]

A Hard Night's Day in April, as a matter of fact.

[@toastedzen]

Does fan art of James as hot Squidward exist? Because if it doesn't it sure needs to.

[@j.diamond6014]

joker 2 was a character study just like joker 1. It wasn't some joker harley rampage through gotham like people wanted so it upset folks.

[@seanrowe6973]

Injecting some much-needed levity into my Monday morning. Thanks, boys!

[@Maxisamo1]

1:05:40 Yeah I literally thought "The movie is basically saying that if you assault and violate mentally unwell people, they'll stop it" and like, wow Todd Phillips did not think this through

[@stealintomorrow]

You guys do say "a big sook" which I'm interpreting as "a big sulk" but it's not a phrase I've heard outside of your podcast :)

[@stealintomorrow]

@@Frostile They definitely said it there! But they've also said it at other times as well :)

[@woodchuckttv]

I like how I recognized a What Happened? Intro at 1:23:01

[@flickchick710]

Jokes on you Mason, Peter Cushing is one of my heroes.

[@jazzycat8917]

God help all the actors who are cast in Live Action Voltron. As someone who watched the Netflix cartoon fandom destroy itself and send all sorts of harassment to cast and crew over how things turned out there, I don't want anything of that nature being sent the way of the live action actors.

[@Renoistic]

I never watched Voltron and never engaged with the Avatar fandom. But I'm guessing it was shippers? Shippers ruin everything.

[@l.c.3118]

This is correct.

[@jazzycat8917]

@@Renoistic It was 80% shippers, 20% the executives. The shippers were absolutely fcking unhinged and their behaviour completely insane, but in the spirit of fairness the executives did pour fuel on the fire by deliberately queerbaiting the audience (and I know that word gets thrown around a lot but in this case they very much did do that: the "lead" queer rep they promised in order to get more viewers turned out to be a 1 ep flashback where half the pair was killed before the events of the story and never mentioned again)

[@OverkillSamurai]

i'm so hyped for this episode

[@BaileyZK]

It's not actually time stamped so if you need the real time codes to skip the SA it's 1:04:55 - 1:05:55

[@jasonhughes305]

Happy October the most spooky time of the year ....and I'm not talking about tax time . Am I right folks

[@davidblank420]

Three movies have been in development hell since i was a kid and these movies will never be made. Akira Robotech Voltron Ill come back and eat crow if any of these get made and released.

[@TheKingOfRooks]

Why does nobody remember the fact that the waynes were explicitly killed on screen at the end of the first movie? We even saw Martha's pearls hit the floor and the blood splat on Bruce's face.

[@Renoistic]

Probably because it's just shallow fan service that doesn't matter and adds nothing. Same with the few nods in the sequel.

[@l.c.3118]

I'm continually irked by Martha's falling pearls. Real (aka worn by rich women, aka valuable) pearl necklaces are individually knotted so that very thing doesn't happen. But I guess the visual is just too irresistible.

[@tiberiushazo6326]

James's hottest take of this episode is that Transformers One was better than The Wild Robot holy fuck. I enjoyed Transformers One a lot, but The Wild Robot is a much better movie. Like, ridiculously better movie.

[@rinfinity930]

Looking back, i don't think we should be surprised Joker 2 turned out the way it did. Todd Phillips has always seemed like a edgelord nihilist so off course he would make a movie to show his contempt for the audience who liked his first Joker movie. He had similar contempt towards "society" for making the arthur into the joker in the 1st one. That's on-brand for people with that kind of sensibility. That's what's been consistent between the 2 movies the cruel nihilism.

[@matthemming9105]

Honestly, I have zero interest in the Joker movies, except for the ongoing saga of Edgelord self-sabotage and the death of media literacy. I, for one, can't wait to see Joker 3 of a Kind, The Jokes on You 😂

[@Ledpooplin55]

Making good projects won't matter. That's not how to prevent fan backlash. 1) they will dislike whether it is good or not and 2) there will be things that aren't good or popular, that's just life, and they will say it's because it stars a black woman or whatever.

[@BaithNa]

That's not true, X-Men 97, Deadpool and Wolverine, Barbie and The Last of Us prove that if it's good, the hate will be drowned out by the praise.

[@Ledpooplin55]

@BaithNa I think you misunderstood my point because you seem to be bringing up an entirely separate subject, which is if the backlash can be overcome, which didnt have anything to do with what I said. If you think I was saying that all movies and TV are unpopular with everyone everywhere no matter what, it's not, obviously, that's silly.

[@DrBacalex]

I would love for them to do Batman dirty like this 👀😅 poor Joker

[@MichaelBostic-v2w]

Swaybox might be enough to make me actually watch a superhero film for the first time in 5 years

[@tonys7246]

Stop saying "huge opening"

[@Supernormalbob]

Phoenix’s joker as a performance is so unbelievably good it upsets me that he’ll never play the clown Prince or crime properly. There’s moments where he stares down people wearing the make up and he’s just terrifying. Rubbish movie though.

[@billcosgrove2112]

Cosmic Crisp is the superior apple, Granny Smith can be top 5 any given day.

[@jon_moncada]

Having not seen joker 2 It sounds like someone could probably do a fan edit of like one 90min film where the trial is the framing device for flashbacks about his crimes.

[@mttylerdurden9]

7:09 everytime I hear that name, my teeth start grinding and I end up punching a whole in my wall.

[@R17759]

Seek help

[@arrogantbandit1]

Yes. Gaga cast, so there's probably going to be singing so keep an ear out. Then the early rumors / showings said that it would be 50/50 with the musical was enough to wait and see the reviews. They're not good, plus the internet is full of spoilers in thumbnails alone.

[@mistrdevine]

I remember enjoying Central Intelligence. I was probably drunk.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

It wasn't great but it was watchable.

[@streetwisehercules9956]

Rings of power is unwatchable. Joker 2 is a really expensive, poorly thought out load of nothing. Considering the first was made relatively cheap, no idea why WB thought a 200+M plus budget was a good idea.

[@baggybinny]

Nic Cage as Spider-Man Longlegs.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Daddy Longlegs

[@lewiep]

My guess for Rugrats is that they will shoot live action scenes from the perspective of the parents, with real actors in all the roles, then cut between that and fully CGI for the majority of the movie, from the Rugrats perspective.

[@Luminousreign]

This would mean that the parents can’t interact with the rugrats as rugrats so idk. Seems more likely it is going to be a mixed cgi uncanny mess.

[@lewiep]

@@Luminousreign no you would just have real adult actors interacting with real babies when it's from the parents perspective, then CGI adults interacting with CGI babies when it's from the parents perspective.

[@Luminousreign]

@@lewiep the actual actors and cgi abominations not interacting is what I am talking about. They aren’t paying for both and having both in the movie not to mix them. The draw of the movie and why you would make it live action adjacent is to have the cartoonish child characters interact with and snark about the real adults.

[@lewiep]

@@Luminousreign I disagree that this would be a "draw" lol

[@Luminousreign]

@@lewiep because you preemptively know it is bad and would avoid it. I am also clearly not a fan lol. Doesn’t change the logic behind why they would do it that indicates they think it is something people would want to watch.

[@Joelo313]

I hated this movie, but it’s worth a watch to get in on all of this discourse. It is hilarious.

[@HorseJoint]

I KNEW that scene in the prison with the Guards. I knew that was implied SA, it had to be. Which just felt unnecessary and stupid

[@Renoistic]

It was barely even implied. For being a movie about the downfall of society it sure pulled its punches.

[@alexanderwood5999]

Holy shit I had no idea Kris Kristofferson was so talented and did so much. I thought he just made music and then was in Blade.

[@RetroBacon1]

Don’t be ignorant then

[@alexanderwood5999]

@@RetroBacon1 dumb.

[@Connorthecatsdad]

I'm conceptually opposed to the idea of big as a bus Batman. Batman should be built like an elite rock climber. Extremely lean, potentially densely muscled, but not like a competitive bodybuilder. Batman does not do bicep curls

[@ellaisplotting]

I agree with this! Pumped up Batman just looks impractical and cumbersome!

[@nicholasmilillomusic]

I heard the can pop 😊

[@epicbruhmoment6985]

I imagine the Rugrats movie will be animated characters in real environments. That's what the sonic movies essentially are and I imagine it could be cheaper than going fully animated

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

Hey Maso, idk if you’re pronouncing Surabhi right. Unless that is how she wants it to be pronounced.

[@RetroBacon1]

Don’t think anyone cares

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

@@RetroBacon1 guy with cool apathy!! Rad! Tubular even

[@BlueSpams]

We did it, folks!

[@ironfortress151]

No big double kick? I was waiting for a big double kick, then a big lunch from big ears batman.

[@random420Dude]

Cynthia should be the only live action part of Rugrats

[@KerioFive]

The guy at the end was Joe Kerr, the real 'the Joker'

[@saiyanboy1001]

I, a New Yorker, only know Robbie Williams because of Funhaus

[@davidblank420]

Joker 2: Folie Aux Poo

[@cameronpritchett8300]

"Idc if you have valid criticism over our overly liberal cash grab to appeal to a very minor fanbase, if you dont like it and voice your opinion on our poorely written, acted, directed slop youre toxic and rrrrracist" modern day toxic media

[@li-limandragon9287]

If only there was a King of Comedy 2 for Todd Phillips to rip off.

[@BlamoStramo]

I don't know why you'd want The Batman to be less emo and less dirty and lowtech that's like the whole appeal of this version to me

[@mark2graves-movies689]

Granny Smith is DEFINITELY the best apple 🎉

[@mark2graves-movies689]

The best thing about joker 2 bombing is I'll be able to buy the steelbook at a discount. I think it's a great movie. It was never intended to be a comic book movie and certainly not a super hero movie. It's a tragedy about an abused guy with a mental disorder in a terrible world.

[@richardchisenhall387]

I'm thinking King in black would refer to kingpin, maybe he's working up a sinister six? He's been active in the city for some time it would make sense Peter started running into his thugs when he started focusing on street level things after no way home

[@sathrielsatanson666]

That was the original plan, a street level story with Kingpin and Daredevil but Sony wants to push their magnificent SPUM hence Knull. I doubt Feige wants Sony Venom anywhere near MCU but there was a new deal between Disney and Sony so who knows.

[@AcornElectron]

You did this!

[@epicbruhmoment6985]

I feel you guys flawlessly vocalized how I felt about this movie but I'd been struggling to put into words exactly

[@freshparkfilms]

38:25 KRIKEY!

[@elmoonfire]

This podcast really made me think about a movie I haven't seen that might have made me think about being the joker!

[@Undeadwookiee7]

DO WILD ROBOT!!!

[@littlerelief]

Great to hear you guys make a joke or two about Joker 2! (I thought you were on the verge of making this joke about ten times so HERE IT IS YOU'RE WELCOME)

[@Geohillierneo]

My problem (with both of these films) is.... this is not the Joker.... theyve just slapped the "Joker" label on it to make money. Even in the first film it never felt like the Joker to me, it felt like Arthur Fleck a depressed, mentally ill person putting clown makeup on..... Thats not the Joker. You can slap clown paint on any serial killer and call them "Joker", but that doesnt make it that character. Neither of these films for me felt like the comic book character I love. Id hoped that the sequel would embrace the character more, but it just went backwards.

[@EpicLonelyRussian]

Idk why this movie is getting so much hate I felt like it was a worthy sequel expanding on everything from the 1st but the real kicker is how it was reflective of how ppl are treating this movie how it ended