JOKER SPOILER DISCUSSION - WAS IT REAL?

[@chrisparker9402]

Plot twist: Martin didn't actually see Joker. Just imagined he was there.

[@CastTerror5]

Lmfao! xD

[@youtongan]

Bahahah

[@winnijose6123]

Christopher Parker LMFAO.. Damn son..biggest plot twist of all!

[@astriddececco3005]

Did Martin pay attention?

[@ridewithgw]

Lol

[@janaem.3685]

Martin's the only person I know who's had a movie spoiled for him AFTER he saw the movie.

[@SpideySensei72]

That "MIND BLOWN" shit was hilarious!!! How could he have missed that entire segment of the film?????

[@Journeyagain0]

I'm guessing he went to the restroom on that part.

[@saifblade]

Yeah I love Martin but as a movie reviewer i find it strange he missed that. It was quite obvious in the movie where they show her missing in the scenes compared to the older ones in that short montage.

[@B.Moore-Ready]

I wonder what he would think of the movie American Psycho 🤔?

[@rjmiller9144]

saifblade You review movies? Where? Can’t find your reviews on your channel.

[@GodofFrankie]

Exactly why I don't go to the bathroom during movies. You never know what you'll miss.

[@178fluffy]

One thing I love about the Bruce Wayne's origin is that they give an actual reason for rich people with a kid to walk down a dirty alley

[@178fluffy]

@J. C. one step at a time I guess..we'll get there

[@youngrootv]

Darrin Ramroop didn’t think of that honestly. It is a good reason, but I still laughed in the movie at the pearls hitting the ground lol

[@avonbarksdale91]

J. C. Seems like they were at the movie the same time Joker killed Murray. They walked out of the theater to madness.

[@t.k.1319]

J. C. The closest explanation is that they didn’t know the riots were happening earlier. It’s plausible that the riots got out of control and spread to their area over the time they were in the theatre.

[@moonakieater2308]

@J. C. They bring up the reason in the beginning, budget cuts 😀

[@MrGMovieReviews]

The movie literally flashes back to prove it wasn’t real Martin lmfaooooo

[@GodofFrankie]

Maybe he went to bathroom or briefly fell asleep during that scene. I wished they had just asked him outright if he remembered the scene.

[@supreme1572]

the movie is slow enough for someone to fall asleep for a bit though its plausible.

[@jackyoh971]

@@GodofFrankie it really possible he fall asleep real quick and didn't realize it...

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

I watched this movie on opening day and it's still on my mind. It really did the impossible, it showed that Joker can move past Heath Ledger's version and that comic book movies can be solely about a villain and be really fucking good.

[@chrisknight5699]

Absolutely! The director honerd The World's of DC. After i saw the movie i looked through my Dark Knight Returns comic. The Murray show was like when joker went on that Dave Endelquin talk show he kissed that Dr. Ruth sex Dr.

[@hal7741]

I watch the movie twice. Scraped my pockets to see it at a cheaper theater a second time. At first I was so tense throughout the movie that I didn’t enjoy it as much as I could’ve If id relaxed. The second time I saw it.... damn. It’s so good if you just relax and take in the beauty of it. I couldn’t help but love the character development of Arthur seeing as I have the same laughing condition as him. He got the way the condition affects people down pack!

[@esotericVideos]

Me: The movie over explained that the relationship with her was just in his head. Martin: Wait, that whole relationship with her was in his head?!?

[@TheThirdPew]

How did Martin not realize the relationship wasn't real. lol they couldn't have made it more obvious with the flashbacks when she wasn't there.

[@Danjoker.]

It was even obvious before that

[@RealCoachMustafa]

Was Martin sleeping during the reveal that Zazzy dating him was part of his imagination? Because that scene was pretty straight-forward.

[@redmage7716]

Like so much so that I wish they left it at the one line, and not the whole montage, but apparently even that was not obvious enough.

[@andrewlaxton50]

That’s why I don’t think the whole movie is a dream. Why would he an imagination within a imagination?

[@clockstomper]

I thought the little flashbacks in that scene were unnecessary, but I guess I was wrong if Martin didn't get it.

[@Contributron]

@@redmage7716 Yeah that line "Your name is Arthur, right? You live down the hall?" was plenty for me. The flashbacks kind of hit you over the head with it. But I guess if Martin missed it even then a lot of people would've missed it if they just had the line.

[@JonathanMutsinzi1998]

clockstomper we have a lot of short attention spans ...that scene was very necessary

[@austinfull8941]

"You're doing a lot of speculation" That's the point Martin, to make you speculate because this movie is very ambiguous and that's what makes it great.

[@esotericVideos]

And it's not like "make up your own movie" it's multiple choice but with limited options. The movie gives you all you need to know and it was all real in arthur's head to some extent.

[@doranmitchell1700]

Yeah, things weren't quite adding up for me in this movie, but now hearing that most of this could be a fantasy from the Joker, definitely makes more sense now & has brought my score up for this movie being good to great now.

[@0nefish_tw0fish]

Arthur said he’s never been happy his entire life, maybe all of the scenes that show him expressing happiness are imaginary.

[@darthmisogyny3828]

He's always laughing that's why his mother said he was always a happy child I do think he's happy for the bad shit he's done tho

[@locosindinero3853]

Or maybe he's finally happy being mad. He's lost it and to him that's freedom.

[@RVX1989]

We can't rely on Martin anymore. Now I'm starting to wonder if his review even counts. 😂 He watched the wrong movie

[@hoodTRONIK]

Yeah he kinda got on my nerves while watching this. His review and opinion of the movie is no longer valid. LOL

[@ArtofLunatik]

RVX1989 NEVER FORGET.. Martin loved Spiderman 3, so take his reviews with a grain of salt.

[@hoodTRONIK]

@@ArtofLunatik Well damn...I wont be listening to his opinion anymore on anything. I had no idea LOL

[@D12345]

Right ha ha. To be fair there have been times when Kory missed something. 😂

[@BullockAndCompany]

RVX1989 🤣🤣🤣

[@bensneb360]

Can we all appreciate that we saw two people disagree on a movie, and they had a civil and calm decision about it without devolving too yelling and discriminating slurs... I miss those

[@condorgaming4000]

If someone is crazy enough to see this movie and go on a killing spree chances are they were crazy before they even saw the movie. People need to stop looking for scapegoats for mental instability

[@jccarty1477]

Agreed. I genuinely didn't believe what the controversy was about. People walking out of the film? Really? Why?

[@razzle2429]

It's kinda ironic that the media is whipping up such a frenzy about this movie potentially causing violence or mass-murders, considering a major subplot in the actual movie revolves around how the media intentionally whips up a frenzy in people by completely inventing a story about Arthur/Joker for the sole purpose of entertainment and selling more newspapers. Arthur kills those Wall Street guys because they are being assholes to him on the train. He has no political motive, but the media immediately portrays him as a clown-masked vigilante standing up against those who represent wealth/power in Gotham, and Thomas Wayne further exacerbates the situation by appearing on the news to call poor people "clowns", thus sparking a bunch of protests (and eventually full-blown riots) in Gotham because all the disenfranchised, unemployed, down-and-out people finally have a 'figure' to inspire them (Arthur and the clown motif) and a figure to aim their anger at (Thomas Wayne and the rich upper class). And when Arthur/Joker gets up onto the police car in that final scene and dances in front of an adoring clown-masked crowd, while Thomas and Martha Wayne's bodies lay dead in the alley nearby, it's almost humorous when you realize that it never would have gotten to that point if the media didn't use Arthur's initial murders to invent a narrative about a rich-hating clown-masked vigilante in the first place. But god forbid our real-world media pays any attention to THAT, because then they would have to admit that they do often create/inflate stories where there are none (like inventing the whole controversy about this movie being a disturbed love-letter to incels that promotes violence) with the aim of inciting fear/anger/hatred/etc in people because all they care about is getting more clicks, more readers, more revenue. And that's not even going into all the stuff about mental illness, the mental health sector, funding cuts (and how it affects people), the life-long effects of abuse and neglect, the people in power (like Thomas Wayne) who say they care yet their actions show the opposite, and how our society treats those who don't fit into the mold of "normal, employable person". That's a whole 'nother can of worms.

[@megalodon7916]

Let the snowflakes cry their little bitch tears. The box office numbers speak for themselves. They tried to sabotage this movie by generating controversy and they failed.

[@tellmesomething2412]

Let's not act like bad influences don't exist though. 90's music made people proud misogynist, not wanting jobs, craziest racists, and the term active shooter stems from the Columbine Massacre. Yes, these people are definitely unstable, but why tempt them?

[@megalodon7916]

+Maurice D. Vann If they are so unstable that a movie would set them off, then they will inevitably snap either way. If one thing doesn’t set them off, something else will. The film studios aren’t tempting anyone.

[@Heroasaurus]

Do we need a re review for martin considering he didn’t get a major part of the film lol. Was he in the bathroom for that part lol

[@nosuchthing8]

He was selling shirts from dt merch

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Its not that serious, everyone has their interpretation

[@moxiemaxie3543]

No. He just doesn't like "it was all a dream/fantasy " movies. He wants somethings to be grounded. Why attach himself if it technically never happened

[@Heroasaurus]

@@moxiemaxie3543 this comment and movie happened a year ago… why are you commenting a week ago and then today?! Stop. Get help.

[@sculptureofsound2]

lol only real twist is that Martin didn’t watch the movie

[@cytheolympian2706]

I feel that this entire film is a slight of hand (and yes, I AM reading a lot into it): 1. We "see" Arthur being given a .38 caliber handgun, but we "hear" that he actually tried to buy it off of his friend. 2. We "see" Arthur getting jumped with the sign, but we "hear" that he may have taken it because "who would jump someone for a sign?" 3. We "see" Arthur frustrated that his social worker didn't remember him telling her that he was seeking a career as a comedian, but we "hear" the social worker deny that he ever told her. 4. We "see" Arthur in a sterilized white room at the beginning of the film (which, with the film's editing, suggests that he was hospitalized prior to what we see because, "...who knows?") but we "hear" him ask the Arkham state hospital clerk how one gets admitted there - to which the orderly tells him "Some people just have no place to go - they don't know what to do." So take the story how you will. I don't think that anybody is right or wrong in their interpretations of the film. And THAT'S its greatest strength - generating discussion.

[@MrMamapoto]

Cy The Olympian why did you put spoilers at the beginning of your comment when this a spoiler video

[@cytheolympian2706]

@@MrMamapoto Wow good point ×_×

[@spotsnwrinkles7796]

Wow this is great...really need to rewatch the film

[@cytheolympian2706]

@@spotsnwrinkles7796 If I have time then I'll do the same.

[@markrestua1276]

I also wanted to add, the bathroom scene with Thomas Wayne. When Thomas punched Arthur Fleck in the nose, it looks like he may have broken it due to the blood. The very next scene when he enters the fridge his nose seems to be ok. Furthermore the very next day when he gets a phone call from Murray Show his nose seems to be perfectly fine, no bruise nor it was swollen. Did he imagine that scene with Thomas Wayne in the bathroom?

[@cytheolympian2706]

I believe that people want to cling to truth in every story, so when an unreliable protagonist tells you one thing but the film shows you another, you've every right to question what you're seeing. But the brilliance of the film is that this ambiguous narrative is emblematic of the Joker character. Todd Philipps described this film as a "theory" of what would drive Mr. Chips to becoming Joker. We shouldn't take this story at face value the way that Martin is trying to. Clinging to what you want to believe is exactly the film's point. Even with what this film shows us about the character, the Joker's origin STILL remains multiple choice.

[@razzle2429]

The movie is also an excellent portrayal of how warped reality can feel for a person with severe mental illness and/or neurological disorders. Most people only have one 'truth' - they see the world, for the most part, as the world is. That's what Martin wanted to see. But people like Arthur Fleck can't even trust what they are seeing as real. Arthur is an unreliable narrator for the audience...and for himself. You leave the movie wondering what the hell was real and what wasn't...which is only a glimpse of how Arthur feels every day of his life.

[@cytheolympian2706]

@@razzle2429 Couldn't agree more!

[@frankjohnson123]

I definitely like the idea of this being one of the "multiple choices" that explain the Joker's origin. However, for that to be true, at least a decent portion of what we saw on the screen has to be true or an exaggeration of the truth within the context of this possibility. If the entire thing was a delusion like some people are claiming, the story loses its impact and its ambiguity.

[@lsipahelut]

It's a study of major depression. The fantasies are a coping mechanism to deal with thoughts of suicide as it creates in essence a safe-space inside Arthur's head, protecting him from himself.

[@lisah8438]

Nothing is wrong with fantasies as long as you know it ain't real.

[@lsipahelut]

@@lisah8438 There's nothing schizophrenic about it. It's just an attempt to feel wanted and included, and to divert your mind from thoughts of suicide.

[@Mega0003000]

*I don't even know where to start, with how much I loved this movie!* Phoenix's performance? The cinematography? The Score? The references to the comic? When Joker smears the blood on his face into a smile? Damn I love this movie

[@DeceivedHeretic]

Never has a movie effected me as much as this movie has. Thought it would suck. You’re so right. I didn’t think any comic book movie would top endgame this year but damn was I wrong.

[@austindevine248]

The reference to Thomas Wayne’s death from several Batman films they threw in at the end of the film I felt was unnecessary outside of that the rest of the references I didn’t mind

[@ChristopherJames1993]

@@DeceivedHeretic affected*

[@CTR_ALT_MAKIMA]

Jesus, Martin really does not want to like this movie. Stays quiet during all the praise and pipes up fast at a small ass nitpick like Martha's pearls lol

[@lolHero]

its a movie many people like.. what did you expect?

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

Reminiscent of his dislike for Casino Royale and Spiderman 2.

[@phousefilms]

@@THEremiXFACTOR Both awful movies.

[@Anthonycheesman33]

@@phousefilms awful to who lol

[@phousefilms]

@@Anthonycheesman33 To all. Except for people who refuse to accept that Spider-Man 2 is boring and Casino Royale is ridiculous(unless its the original).

[@chasinpaper8773]

Wonder how that affects Martin’s rating...

[@Tavayneparkins]

Honestly I couldn't believe he missed it. It was kinda obvious once they went through the sences showing her not there. I thought it was crazy she was attracted to him anyway

[@TheWuCepticon1981]

He didn't seem to like it any better in this video.

[@chasinpaper8773]

Tapper Tapper Right I was like what the fuck 🤣🤣🤣

[@MrSwade009]

Honestly the movie is just mediocre, JP was never really the Joker and his character never evolves. I was waiting for the moment where his emotions just cut off and he was absolutley cold hearted. The whole time he just wanted to be loved and get attention that's never been the joker.

[@formidablesloth1806]

Stephen Wade oooh a fan boy in the wild that wants a movie tailored just for him

[@tminus543]

How did Martin miss that part of the movie when they revealed that joker had imagined that relationship.

[@kevinnevada5342]

I've never seen Korey and Martin so at odds. Double toasted Civil war 😬

[@monk19plc]

They had a similar disagreemnet on babadook

[@ArtofLunatik]

This kind of thing happened alot on spill dot com lol

[@LjubicaServaas]

this is super tame compared to some other reviews of theirs, make sure to check out Dawn of the Planet of the Apes review, easily one of the best reviews ever in DT or Spill history😂🤣🤣🤣

[@ArtofLunatik]

Battered Sphinx there was another one too that to me was classic Cyrus vs Cohost 300 lol. That shit was funny as fuck but i forgot what movie it was that they reviewed

[@LjubicaServaas]

@@ArtofLunatik that was Lockout, eternal classic

[@flameroad123]

This film did the impossible it made me feel sorry for the Joker and I never thought I'd get to say that in my life

[@bigsexygoat8]

To a point

[@DomoDolo]

Wrong. You felt bad for Arthur Fleck, but deep down you understand the Joker now, or at least this version.

[@markrestua1276]

His life is a tragedy. Abused as a child and abused as an adult

[@cganimefan1267]

I love Martin, but it seems like he wasn't paying enough attention while watching the film.

[@Ntwadumela89]

Anime 2019 exactly he didn’t even know that’s Zazie character was an illusion

[@samuelwetz8378]

I’m not biggest fan of the film I like the movie a lot but didn’t LOVE it like most but even I knew and pay attention to the film and what was happening 😂

[@moxiemaxie3543]

I love hum but.... But what he didn't give it as much attention as you wanted? You don't pay 100% to everything either

[@bleppyboo5969]

@@moxiemaxie3543 If you're going to watch a film, critiquing it as part of your job, you should do a good enough job to pay attention to the film you're going to review.

[@MrMugampi]

I love Martin, but he had to fall asleep or something. That was clear as day.

[@avonbarksdale91]

King Greed overhyped how? By all the shooter white male. Incel shit?

[@getyoursickassawayfromme3176]

@@avonbarksdale91 yeah everyone knows its video games that caues mass shootings

[@thedefinitionisthis]

Wow. I'm... shocked Martin didn't understand the reveal with Zazie Beetz' storyline. That was hammered down preeetty damn hard when that moment hit.

[@thatguyfrankie]

They even showed the parts where she faded away in his memories from a 3rd person view literally showing it was all in his head lol. Im not sure what he watched

[@thedefinitionisthis]

@@thatguyfrankie To each their own, I guess. But that was a pretty big moment in the movie; almost like a checkpoint, where we see what's "really" going on (and I use that phrase loosely). Amazed that someone like Martin missed it.

[@chrisknight5699]

Yeah. Me too. Sometimes he and Kory confuse me. Especially on in your face & Spoon fead Scenes 😆

[@thedefinitionisthis]

King Greed There’s nothing wrong to being surprised by it. Some of my friends, and my girlfriend were taken aback by it.... But to have completely *missed* it, and not know even by the end of the movie that the relationship was all in his head; *that* is what’s surprising to me.

[@RighteousGemz]

Martin literally checked out with this film as he does with anything he doesn’t like.

[@kennethmartin8879]

This movie really makes you question just about every aspect of itself. Did anyone notice that in the sequence when the Joker "killed" his mother that the machines responded accordingly to her distress, but once dead the machines made no noise -- not even the signal for flatlining? Doctors and nurses should have rushed in, yet he even has a moment to stand and look at her (with no interruptions) for a moment before a hard cut to the next scene. It makes me wonder if he only fantasized about killing her, but never actually did it.

[@UTock]

This movies scares people because of the mental health subject...

[@stinkleroy]

That's exactly one of the things I loved about this film. Showing how little Arthur is cared for by the system and how easy it is to fall through the cracks of it. Its very true to real life.

[@siriush100]

You had to be unconscious during this movie not to realize that the relationship with the girl was imaginary.

[@ArtofLunatik]

Tom S when he first kissed her i immediately thought this has to be a fantasy. So when they finally did the actual reveal it made sense to me

[@TXejas19]

@@ArtofLunatik i did too but quickly made myself believe it because....movie. I should've known, too many things pointed to fantasy

[@MakenshiCritiques]

The way they shot the Wayne's death scene in this was with a contempt that we've not seen, other portrayals have been romantacised. Here it was through the lens of jokers fantasy. Loved that.

[@DomoDolo]

Martin got a lil to in his feelings after realizing he missed something that was very on the nose lol

[@Ntwadumela89]

DomoDolo yea I noticed

[@lwandilemsiza8027]

He was fighting the whole time after 😂😂

[@delayedcritique6274]

Did Martin go to the bathroom or something during that “apartment” scene with the big “Fight Club” moment? I’m really curious what wasn’t clear for him.

[@CTR_ALT_MAKIMA]

it's funny, I was watching another review who said the reveal and flashbacks weren't necessary that the audience will be smart enough to figure it out it was all not real from the start. I guess they included it for people like Martin LOL

[@thedefinitionisthis]

@@CTR_ALT_MAKIMA Yeah, but too bad it didn't work on Martin lol. I think the reveal and flashbacks were definitely necessary, in the sense of there is *soooo* much going on in the movie. And with this moment, you're backtracking to something specific. You gotta hammer down that idea hard.... even though it was kiiinda obvious from the start. Still made for a great reveal though.

[@georgieramone]

For real. That reveal was ridiculously heavy handed.

[@philippwissemann9420]

He was either staring on his phone, or asleep becaus he's old, or thinking about his grocery list

[@retrograveproductions4175]

this discussion cements how great and utterly terrific this movie is you can just watch this film as the origin of the Joker or, you can watch it all the subtext of is everything imaginary and in his head which leads to the end scene with the psychiatrist at Arkham. What is definite is that the film is a character study of us watching a villain. And, it is well made AsF!

[@theblackpinoy]

Martin is an unreliable reviewer.

[@v90660]

Double Toasted would be nothing without Martin. Shut your mouth.

[@jordand.6755]

@@v90660 Has getting old and can't follow along. Magoo needs to go.

[@v90660]

@@jordand.6755 you obviously haven't been here since DT's inception. Long timer listeners really enjoy what Martin's reviews. You talk a lot of trash

[@ottosantiagolassus]

Stop, just stop

[@dnice4145]

@@v90660 there is alot of anger out there for those who dont see this movie as brilliant or shocking.

[@phantom347]

The scene were the Joker starts dancing down the stairs to that song of gary glitter's rock and roll part 2 was EPIC!

[@dominiqueodom3099]

This film is everything I wish DC started with when it comes to the films they have made or greenlit. Honestly, One film I believe wouldve worked with a Rated R but was neutered to such a point they cancelled it was Ben Affleck 2017 Batman film. I wouldve taken Joaquin Phoenix Joker vs Ben Affleck Batman. Throw in Deathstroke or Red Hood and you have a masterpiece on your hands right there.

[@claudewinters2091]

Red Hood... Oh gosh, I would love to see that... It dissects Batman, Joker & Jason relationship so well...

[@dominiqueodom3099]

@King Greed but all the examples you've given don't do anything but add more violence to the story. This story dealt with themes and ideas that wouldn't be able to be properly adapted under the constraints of the pg13 label.

[@randomcharacter6501]

@@dominiqueodom3099 The Dark Knight doesn't constrain itself... It's the most R rated PG-13 movie I can think of off the top of my head. The themes and tone are adult and worthy of an R but WB has more wiggle room than most studios. The other guy was correct in saying the only thing that was missing was gore and sex. It speaks to how heavy the movie is to begin with.

[@sometimesidontunderstand0029]

My gawd my heart wouldn't take it I'd be overwhelmed ugh red mask and deathstroke with a rated r rating shit that's fap central

[@JonathanMutsinzi1998]

Dominique Odom 😭

[@yeahthatpat]

It was pretty much open and shut until the "Love, T.W." note. That note was 100% meant to make you reevaluate things.

[@gabrielalmonte4497]

Is Martin hallucinating? lol wtf Martin

[@ArtofLunatik]

Gabriel X sometimes Martin remembers things one way.. then sometimes he remembers them differently.

[@josedavidcatemac406]

Nah you are hallucinating, there's no Martin, he doesn't exist he's just an illusion of Korey.

[@michaellombardi1620]

Martin needs to pay attention! That was the most spelled out part of the movie, and once they revealed the girl was a fantasy they even showed flashbacks to her not being there!

[@joypopoola6115]

Yes!!! Korey remembered the picture! It said ‘Love Your Smile. TW”

[@tribalcast]

the only thing more disturbing about this movie is the amount people that still havent bought more DT Merch!

[@lochofmceo]

Lol Martin might need to redo his rating.He was lost as hell.

[@ehartsoe]

Martin is shocking me with his closed mind

[@TrueDragonnutz13]

Wow Martin was being surprisingly kind of narrow minded. The movie makes it very clear that nothing is clear.

[@alemdaculturapop]

Martin's reaction about Sophie lmao, i love this channel so much...

[@hypsterfall2829]

Social Ghost korey: you know that wasn’t real .. Martin: uh!?

[@Myaccount923]

@@hypsterfall2829😂😂😂😂

[@ericng7015]

The experience that Chris Herman has when trying to watch this movie is just mind blowing

[@MakenshiCritiques]

Did Martin even see the film? They're sitting their telling him scenes that happened in the film. They spent a minute pointing it out in the film for goodness sake 😂

[@justinkelly251]

Based off this video, Martin clearly wasn't paying attention to the movie. He needs to rewatch and review it again. He basically missed the entire point of the movie.

[@1bgdino]

Martin wasn't paying attention its was very clear joker was imagining his relationship with that lady.

[@Rosquilliam2]

DAMN MARTIN....what movie was he watching? 😂😂😂

[@paulabollers6396]

Martin was asleep that is why he did not know that the Zazie Beetz scenes were hallucinations. Lol.

[@Luvie1980]

Well he usually sleeps when a bw is on film.

[@briantaulbee5744]

Everything else aside, can we talk about just how gorgeous this film is? It makes early 80s, shitty (almost literally) New York look staggeringly beautiful. Holy shit.

[@e3vL1]

He readmitted himself at the end. Remember he told his initial phycologist that he prefers the phyc ward and asked the clerk how people got in

[@e3vL1]

He only day dreamed being 8n audience in show and having neighbor as gf

[@e3vL1]

People are reading too much into it

[@UTock]

Why were his footprints red at the end in the pysch ward?

[@thedefinitionisthis]

@@UTock He killed the psychologist. That was blood.

[@e3vL1]

@@UTock killed phycologist. Stepped on pool of blood before walking down the hallway

[@PlayPlayShow]

19:30 did some guy literally take a nap on the couch LOL

[@ridewithgw]

As I was watching this movie I quickly realized he was imagining a relationship with the girl before the reveal. It just didn't seem plausible that a girl like that would like him.

[@BadluckTribe]

The moment she said "You're funny Arthur." the same kine as Murray. I knew

[@GenericGooner]

This is a perfect case study of a conversation between someone who adores a film and someone who didn’t enjoy it. The one who loves it continues to sell all the elements of it, while the one who doesn’t gets more and more agitated that the other person loves it so much, becoming more determined to declare all these elements terrible or badly executed.

[@O4OTIS]

18:30 remember when he was reading the records and reimagined the dr and penny conversations she saying “I never heard him cry he was always a happy child” 😱😱😱 maybe TW did alter the medical records 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@myfamilyshenanigans1914]

Possibly. Maybe he wasn’t actually abused at all. He seemed to love his mom very much before that came out. Hmmmm. Loved the movie either way

[@Humphking]

That's what I loved about this movie, no one was reliable, not his mom, not him, not Thomas Wayne. Dude could've really been the son of Thomas Wayne. Think about it, what could've he really done if Thomas Wayne was his dad, he has no money, he's already been committed, he was the perfect victim for abuse from his mother and his supposed farther.

[@agentblackacid]

Agreed. And here's another thing, Arthur suffered from the same delusions as his mother. There are certain psychiatric illnesses that are hereditary so it's definitely possible he was her son and hallucinated stealing the file and seeing the adoption certificate. None of this story is concrete and it's all up for debate.

[@andrewlaxton50]

Pretty sure it wasn’t his father

[@itlogsabaw9603]

@@agentblackacid so the point of the video is only to show an amazing performance by joaquin phoenix? Because its a non story.

[@ZFoxandMcFalcon]

I don't know why nobody is talking about the line of dialoge where the mother says "they made me sing some documents" when she was arguing with Arthur, maybe she was referring to the adoption papers or something else, that line is never explained in the movie, but is a good point to bring up into the discussion. Personally I don't think T.W is his father.

[@itlogsabaw9603]

@@ZFoxandMcFalcon but how can we trust what the mother said if it was the joker telling the story??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@mjjones3443]

Lol Martin the type to argue that it ain’t raining outside while he’s holdin an umbrella

[@wraytion]

Wow, Martin! You didn't realize she wasn't there for most of their encounters.

[@matty6878]

surprised martin missed that fantasy bit. it seemed pretty clear from the last scene with her that she didn't know the man that well. i thought they were being TOO clear about it in the montage showing her she wasn't there. you slippin' martin!

[@che8626]

Martin is a smart guy so this means that he wasnt paying attention at all. He review/ opinion for this movie is null and void.

[@christaylor7916]

Just be quiet. Im tired of ya'll trying to use that as an excuse to discredit his opinion for this movie. TRUTH IS, this movie is NO masterpiece. Deal with it. His opinion still stands.

[@JayTekken1]

Nah, based on this video, not anymore.

[@ardenaudreyarji]

14:34 As Korey pointed out here, I also saw that scene and thought "Wtf it was real, his mother was telling the truth."

[@Graftanker98]

It really sold the early 80s.

[@katsasgeorge]

The best part about Martin is that he is OPEN to having his mind blown. Not a lot of people are like that.

[@ChristopherJames1993]

Only cause he's dumb and pays no attention.

[@jlowery1984]

watch gladiator again, he smothers his father, an becomes the joker for the first time

[@karnak333]

"If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice."

[@randyb90210]

I'm also shocked that a lot of the movie went over Martin's head. Isn't he the smart one?

[@matina-4734]

The smart one gave the movie a better than sex

[@MrCjprice193]

If i had a dollar for everytime korey gets on his soapbox... I'd be able to buy all the DT MERCH..

[@priya1568]

Martin basically missed the whole movie....

[@tonythepokemonguy751]

Martin’s reaction wouldn’t have been that if they was wearing DT Merch during that scene

[@rbinh]

How in the name of the world did Martin not know that relationship was fake lmao hahahaha

[@basquat76]

Of course it was real. You don't imagine yourself imagining things. The relationship with the girl and the scene in the talkshow scene in the beginning is the only thing that isn't real.

[@dreamquesttv]

Thank you. It's FIRMLY established that Penny Fleck was delusional. If Thomas Wayne really was the father of that baby, and didn't want anyone to find out, and TRULY was a rich scumbag, he would have just had her murdered. People are giving this warmed-over Taxi Driver WAY too much credit for being something it's not. For the record, I actually liked the movie ok. But there are a LOT of problems with it. A LOT. Martin actually liked it more than I did, in fact. Maybe people slamming him on here only imagined he gave it a Matinee?

[@rcordiner]

That must have been one long shit Martin had to take toward the end of the film 😂

[@dannyni4671]

That Marint mind blown part had me DYING NO PUN INTENDED LMFAOOOO

[@patokev3691]

The guy laying out on the sofa is a plot device.

[@NeonNijahn]

I'm not even convinced Martin watched the movie. He seems pretty damn clueless to me...

[@Psmgamer]

I was blown away by Joker, Joaquin Phoenix was great as Arthur Fleck/Joker. I really get a feeling that Arthur just made everything up in his mind.

[@mhaze210]

I'm so glad JOKER beat VENOM's October Box Office Record. Anyone who thinks VENOM is a better film than JOKER... deserves the Murray Franklin treatment.

[@Crurned]

DeNiro in Goodfellas: you insulted them a bit there, you insulted them a bit.

[@samsschool3639]

The most powerful message of this movie is that "you are the creator of your own destruction" Thomas Wane cretated his own demise by impregnating that women, creating the child that would grow up to kill those rich people, sparking the riot that killed him in the end. but also creating The Batman.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

Martin's head exploding reminded me of my friend who was so disappointed that Brad Pitt wasn't real in Fight Club.

[@powerfultoa7]

I'm kinda surprised by Martin having such an aversion of interpreting the movie in a figurative way, seeing as how his knowledgeable with comic books. The multiple possible conflicting events that happened during the film realized the line from from the Killing Joke so well, which is that you can't never trust him to tell the complete truth. Like the saying goes, "we are all heroes in our story", this Joker in his own mind certainly feels that way.The way it was possibly implied - and not on an overt way-is what makes the film craft so brilliant

[@aku862]

Seeing Cory talk about interpretation a lot, makes me wonder how he’ll react to Evangelion

[@thethikboy]

The jump from the completely realized Joker dancing on the police car to the hospital makes sense primarily if everything before was a fantasy.

[@hextikwilliams1494]

Martin were you even WATCHING THE MOVIE? Lolol 😂

[@thectbchannel]

Martin is getting Double Roasted in the comments! LMAO

[@melissacross5525]

😂😂😂😂😂 I love Martin, but he wanted a clear cut movie when in fact the entire movie is ambiguous.

[@franklogan5136]

I thought Martin was just a hater in the earlier review but now I realize he’s just clueless.

[@lwandilemsiza8027]

😭😭😭 its hilarious

[@thedefinitionisthis]

It’s a bit of both. Cuz after he realized what the movie was, his criticisms were pretty surface-level. Didn’t have a lot to stand on. Him saying Korey was speculating too much.... that’s the point of the movie. So I definitely wasn’t rolling with Martin this time around

[@BrontoSmilodon1]

I don't know if they brought it up in their extended review on the website but the main clue that points to the woman not really dating him was the fact that she's a single mother who has to take care of her daughter and Arthur practically forgot that kid even existed

[@comicbookbullies]

"What if Martin Scorsese directed this?" Martin: "...He didn't?" I think that joke flew over a lot of people's heads lol.

[@maxbarrow8463]

I thought the Thomas Wayne conspiracy was really interesting because he's normally portrayed as this saintly philanthropist. I like it especially when you imagine Bruce remembering his father as a good man and lionizing his memory in his crusade as Batman. It also really impressed me how the Waynes deaths were part of the culmination of the story of Gotham much more than Joker, with Joker being responsible but very indirectly.

[@ThaMizphit74]

Damn, Martin. How did you miss that? lol They flashed back to those scenes with them together, but he was actually by himself. lol You've got to hold an L for your review this time.

[@davidhylton7528]

I think I like the open ended idea because it’s great for conversation. It’s fun to imagine and put together pieces and get an answer that you can feel satisfied with. Don’t want the directors to come out and give their interpretation or intention unless it’s being grossly misconstrued.

[@shotgunfrenzy1225]

Korey I love you man . You made my day today. I hope you guys have a good day . You guys should review Freddy vs Jason . It's one of my favorite film of all time .

[@mutazah]

The fact they left a Zorro movie made sense. Zorro was a great influence to the Batman ethos.

[@mrs.kimberley.taylor]

Mind blown Martin was the best part of this

[@will3pr]

No one in my screening gasped harder than my girlfriend, when they revealed that him dating Zazie Beats character in the movie was all in his imagination. We get in the car after the movie is over and her first words to me was, “Do you think that the entire movie was him imagining everything?” My girl is a casual movie goer, it’s hard for me to believe that Martin (a film critic) really didn’t see any of this and is holding it against the movie.

[@splinter1psi99]

Oh, Martin was having old man mind lapses this whole day.

[@bryan-goforth]

I have seen so much hype, both good and bad, about the new #Joker film and I just want to say a few things about it. 1. The movie is far from the most violent film I've ever seen (Rambo Last Blood was straight up murder porn for the final 20 minutes) and the media is going out of it's way to sell the idea that seeing it in a theater full of people will somehow put lives at risk. We live in a country where going to get groceries or going to an ELEMENTARY school might be the last thing you ever do. It's irresponsible to keep pushing this narrative and just plain wrong. 2. People are saying that Joker makes you feel for the villian in the movie thus causing you to root for the murdering clown. Without spoiling it, YES you can't help but be sympathetic towards Arthur and the horrible events that took place early on in his life BUT you definitely shouldn't be rooting for him once a specific line is crossed. If you do find yourself rooting for him after said line crossing, it may be time to talk to someone about what's going on in your life. Seriously. With that out of the way, I've spent the past few days thinking about this film 🤔 It's shot beautifully, the score is haunting and incredibly effective and Joaquin Phoenix delivers an absolutely powerful performance as the incredibly damaged Arthur Fleck. What needs to be in the conversation surrounding this film is mental health services, class disparity and above all else APATHY and the effects it has on our society as a whole. The movie holds up a mirror to society and it seems quite a few people aren't liking what they see. I have a suggestion for all of the people prejudging the film or just saying that it glorifies violence, go out and try to EMPATHIZE with your fellow man. See what you can do to lift up those that are destitute and powerless. Try to provide some positive reinforcement and above all else just SEE people because more than anything people just need to be seen (and heard). In short, I loved this film and I was seriously uncomfortable for the majority of it as I think you are supposed to be. That's how I know Todd Philips and company knocked this out of the park. I can't help but think it will earn Joaquin Phoenix an Oscar nomination. He is now tied with Heath Ledger in regards to the best portrayal of the Joker on screen. I could go on and on in finer detail about this film but I'll leave you all with this brilliant idea, BE YOUR OWN CRITIC and take a moment to look into the mirror 😉

[@bryan-goforth]

@R.I.P BLVS AND BEYOND That's awesome to hear! Topics like this should be the the jumping off point in regards to this film. I think it is incredibly brave of you to talk about this. I wish more people were unafraid to talk about mental health but we all know the bs stigma that surrounds the topic. Stay positive and never be afraid to ask for help when you need ✊