Joker SPOILER Review

Joker Spoiler Review today! Beyond The Trailer's reaction & movie review! Ending explained! Talk Show Scene! Thomas Wayne! Alfred!
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Joker Movie Review with SPOILERS today! Beyond The Trailer host Grace Randolph's reaction & review of Joker in 2019! Ending explained! Easter Eggs! Talk show scene with Robert De Niro as Murray Franklin! Thomas Wayne, Martha Wayne, Bruce Wayne and Alfred! Enjoy this SPOILER breakdown of Joker in 2019 now that you've seen the full movie! And be sure to make Beyond The Trailer your first stop for movie and entertainment news here on KZbin today!
CHAPTER TIMES
Intro - 00:00
Serious Stuff - 00:52
Shots Fired - 1:43
You Get What You Deserve - 2:06
Complicit Through Inaction - 4:40
Wayne's Son - 6:35
Ripped from the Headlines - 7:44
You'd Step Over My Body - 8:49
Nothing But Bad Days - 9:50
History - 13:30
It's All Part of the Plan - 15:12
Arthur's Action are WRONG - 15:37
The TRUTH - 16:26
Final Scene Too Far? - 18:01
Late Night Appearance - 19:49
Phoenix's Performance - 22:05
Death in Joker's Lair - 22:50
Zazie Beetz Reveal - 23:31
Thomas Wayne & Alfred - 24:13
Bruce - 25:40
Why No Respect?! - 27:04
Conclusion - 27:43
Interact with host & creator Grace Randolph!
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#Joker #Spoilers #DCEU

[@kamranr03]

Batman is what Gotham needs, but doesn’t deserve. Joker is what Gotham deserves, but doesn’t need.

[@liquidjackson7172]

Very true

[@StimParavane]

Great comment.

[@philipbryan2685]

Way off target

[@Nayshjin]

* Joker is what Gotham wants but doesn't need

[@MrMathsimon]

NOW, that script makes sense all the more.

[@joehorne2808]

As depressing and downbeat as it was - I feel like this film could actually have a positive effect on people. Don't abandon those most seriously in need - and be compassionate.

[@cintsscha5899]

People lack a lot of empathy these days!!! They just dont care!!!

[@menamgamg]

I think it's very hard if not impossible for ppl who haven't experienced it to really understand how it feels, but i think this movie portrayed that feeling extremely well. And as you say it may be eye opening for some as It's common to have the mind set of "get over it" when not feeling well mentally, and while that might work for people who are relatively healthy, it definitely does not if you have a depression or a mental illness.

[@sMASHsound]

its a breath of fresh air, we do exist. some one does see us.

[@Whaddayamean13]

@@cintsscha5899 Everyone's scared of each other. This divide and conquer the elites have mapped out like chess has worked to perfection. There's millions of people in the same area yet all they do is stare into their phones anymore. Humans walk by you and they dart their eyes down into their screens right away. That's why you have these stupid shootings going on: government control on our lives has created mobs fighting one another constantly and everything becomes politicized.

[@raf686]

I loved the part with the short guy; he was nice to Arthur

[@flygonkerel781]

remember when he spared the midget,and told him"you were the only one that was nice to me" that says a lot

[@serialscholar]

and he kisses him on top of the head before he leaves...

[@Merdicano]

Quite a lot indeed, that shows there's some hope for humanity

[@tyrant-den884]

scary scene though.

[@MrSulfor]

It was just him feeding his god complex.

[@Tan87ful]

Exactly

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

The child that the village does not embrace will burn it down for warmth. -African proverb

[@trayalmigthy1]

Powerful

[@nadia4999]

Kilmonger. The Black panther tried to do just that.

[@MannysBookBag]

I love the review but disagree with your take on the ending. That killing of the well-meaning therapist was the most important killing of the film. It conveys the message that he is no longer someone to be sympathized with because he is not killing out of being directly wronged. The killing of innocents directly implies that he is now killing out of satisfaction. It is a purposeful message and a key to character development.

[@miguelsilva2k]

100% agree with you.

[@eugenesesmaiii3278]

I had a similar thought when he didnt kill the little person after killing Randy in his apartment. I almost wanted him to kill him in a way lol bc that would make him truly evil but not killing him kind of makes him sympathetic in a terrible kind of way

[@cornyboi932]

I don't think it's necessarily out of satisfaction, I think its more like "why not?"

[@rojorohr4723]

Yeah, he is doing it becuase he likes it, he feels good doing it, it is who he is now; no more Arthur, only Joker.

[@BilsonBoi]

I hope she sees this because it’s a good take on the ending. I more or less agree but I also think it can be a type of resentment, it’s like being angry at getting what you should have had in the beginning now that you’ve caused a scene. It’s like Joker saying “fuck you, didn’t want to help before why should I cooperate now? To make your lives easier? I have a better idea” and yea he’s certainly no one to side with especially now. Maybe you could with Arthur but not Joker

[@TheKennn22]

I don’t think Alfred was that bad, a weird guy touching a kid and giving him flowers at the gate, how you supposed to react

[@jameslopez9661]

Plus he had a gun on him so he did the right thing

[@xxsilentreatmentxx]

And sticking his gross hands in the kids mouth, he's lucky Alfred didn't deck him. I don't understand this weird idea that Alfred acted so strangely

[@oneguerrero]

Agree. It's so obvious that Arthur is dangerous, it's hard for me to be too upset with how people treat him.

[@kirittv]

But Alfred knew about Wayne and Penny fleck. He was too complacent in that moment.

[@thinkcritically1990]

@@oneguerrero It is the way people treated him that made him so. You get what you deserve. If your fear, or apathy, or greed leads you to treat people poorly then that is what is circulating..and it can grow quite easily.. That you did not understand that before the film is tragic...that you do not after suggests an excess of selfishness. You only see how YOU feel..but that is not by necessity but choice(insofar as anyone has choice).

[@Ghostfacekillah1]

People are scared that they’re being portrayed perfectly

[@foredimples529]

Exactly

[@yowhza5383]

nailed it

[@czos9239]

Just a note I'll be stealing this comment the next time someone else posts a 1 degree understanding of this movie that gets under my skin.

[@Merdicano]

Completely, just like the Manson women from Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

[@michaelknight2897]

How so and which people?

[@ChocolateThunderBear]

I felt that the last scene was very necessary in showing the Joker is a villain and NOT a sympathetic character.

[@barkfish6853]

I actually agree with this..... and it was super joker ish....is he going to kill or is he going to shake your hand.....you never know with the joker.

[@NaydenSpirdonov]

I disagree it shows that Joker achieving real freedom and total victory ;)

[@ratanasorn8080]

Chocolate ThunderBear he doesn’t need to be therapied

[@aidanrfleming]

Few people see him as a villain by the end though and don’t really view the psychiatrists death as anything important or necessary, so I feel like it’s less of a problem with the film and more of a problem with the reception, but I’d also like to have the film make him more villainous in some ways, maybe kill more innocent people or something since he’s more revenge driven similar to the likes of John Wick where many people just think it’s cool and great to see this protagonist get back at the people who wronged them...

[@aidanrfleming]

@Jose Ramirez I was talking outside of the movie but I get what you’re saying😅

[@welch_inc6532]

This is probably the first time I've seen a version of Gotham that could create a batman.

[@alazkaalazka6087]

This is what I was saying. U truly feel how grimy & terrible Gotham is in this film.

[@MrChopstsicks]

Welch_inc I would like to know what your take on the batman would be in the universe. Got some training, not too far off but the Batsuit. If there’s going to be a Batman, I’m pretty sure he’s going to wear the same thing as Daredevil’s first costume, just a rag over his face and his prototype utility belt.

[@clee89]

Wow. I had the opposite reaction.

[@andrewlopez7298]

The super rats were enough to make a Batman out of any city

[@rodrickzero7248]

Nolan's version also, but with the whole mafia shit.

[@kaiweishen7015]

End scene is like killing joke ending, help came too late, aurthur is a monster now

[@Vokon]

wait before the ending scene, when the ambulance car smashes into aurther then he wakes up and dances, was it real or just in his mind?

[@kevinkarsashy]

I think it was on his mind

[@07samurai85]

These comments are getting me even more excited to see this movie 🤗

[@juanme555]

@Vokon It was obviously real , people recognizing him and cheering him because of his comedy was his mind , people recognizing him and cheering him for his tragedy was reality.

[@sheltondmello8031]

It was real. that's the message of the movie. Society created him

[@ManHeIsAwesome]

All Murray had to say was "who's there?" and there would be no Joker.

[@anubis12321]

Again, another portrayal of modern society. For Murry to say "who's there" would mean for him to give up his power as the one "in charge" and play along; to let Arthur be in control of the conversation for even a minute. The elites today have no humility for the common folk, they're better than we are, and to stoop to our level and "play along" is to admit defeat to them.

[@extantsanity]

@@anubis12321 Great observation and point.

[@cristonsloan]

@@anubis12321 Totally agree, except that has been the case throughout history, nothing "modern" about it whatsoever.

[@justinprather4760]

My interpretation of the ending is him laughing at the irony of only being able to get good help after he was past the point of no return.

[@tyrant-den884]

I thought he just found Bruce being sad his parents were dead funny.

[@teamkillerjoker1565]

Nah he is laughing because at the start he thought they were brothers, turns out they weren’t and were completely different, but by the end of the film, they are both the same, parents dead, so they really weren’t that different at all

[@Tan87ful]

Good point

[@Tan87ful]

Asperobin robin He did say that. This movie is very thought provoking and it’s a mirror to show us how society is really is

[@jimdigitalvideo]

I like the "help came too late" realisation. He finally got a good psychiatrist but he realises it's too late for him. A good psychiatrist could help Arthur but she's just a lamb to be slaughtered for the Joker.

[@darryldunn7394]

The scene where he was handed a gun. "I shouldn't have a gun" favorite line

[@ck_sidekick8306]

And he ends up,using it as a legitimate self defense tool.

[@oWarlock360o]

Until he Chases them down lol

[@changgao3816]

such a good comment on today’s gun control problem.

[@JamesTheEpicGamer]

For me; the moment that made the movie was that close shot on his face, as Joaquin Phoenix says “You invited me on this show, to laugh at me.” I felt at that moment he showed he really was aware of what was going on, and that was frightening

[@JamesTheEpicGamer]

Knarf Nil I’m just saying it’s scary when you realize he’s not totally crazy and he has an idea of what is going on. I’m not saying his actions were justified.

[@BilsonBoi]

Knarf Nil someone like Arthur who can hardly get the girl down the hall to notice him declining his opportunity to appear on live TV to make a “point” on a show him and his mother watched all the time? Why on earth would he do that? He couldn’t ask for a better set up

[@kevinerose]

Me too. It was like he switched from blaming himself for being weak and naive to blaming the actual perpetrators and finding strength in doing so. He switched to Joker mode.

[@lovipoekimo176]

Agreed. I was even saying "yeah" while watching that scene. I felt Arthur's anger, and heartbreak for receiving such a mockery from someone he idolized and saw as a sort of Father figure. It was so good.

[@janfranceldelacerna4834]

@Knarf Nil That is another reason why it was pitiful because Arthur didn't get the joke was on him until the last part and he didn't take it personally lightly

[@shanksdragon1721]

"when I get the Oscar can you introduce me as joker "

[@viksaggu9085]

Shanks Dragon “ Joquine what do you think will happen if you don’t get an Oscar” Joquine: “ theyill get what they fucking deserve”

[@kimberlyhaines107]

He got his Oscar! He had me near tears when he thanked everyone for giving him a second chance when he fell off the wagon. Something Arthur never got. And referencing his brother River at the very end 😭

[@lovipoekimo176]

"The visceral experience of Joker should serve as a wake up call that we are, at least, partially culpable for the monsters our society is creating." --Grace Randolph This is not the first movie to have that message, it will not be the last. And I agree Grace, the people who hate the movie probably felt personally attacked because they are the kind of people shown in this movie.

[@anonymousanonymous_000]

Bingo ! I too think that is why others are having an issue with it. They don't like the mirror.

[@jimdigitalvideo]

Nailed it. This movie actually did an awesome job of portraying society.

[@asherif3893]

Yeah true but I think taxi driver, death sentence, the mad bomber are much more deep and violent movie than this one. This one got all the fame because it has the joker in it, but as a joker origin story it fails for me.

[@williamerazo3921]

Yup

[@mrplow8]

Glad there was at least one good dark Phoenix movie this year.

[@andose88]

Nicely done 🔥

[@ArthurKnight1899]

*standing ovation*

[@MrJoshuaGray]

:applause

[@robertpoti2612]

👍

[@larryjake7783]

Ouch....🔥

[@nagarajanveerannan2967]

That final scene where he paints a smile oh his face with his blood and stands with his arms out on top of a car with the mob surrounding him screaming his name. Game me chills. One of the most powerful scene in film history in my opinion.

[@luiki4189]

Nagaraj Veer I was an extra in that scene! When I saw Joaquin doing that I was sold I knew he would do a great job

[@jdpena26]

@@luiki4189 were you the guy with the mask?

[@zackphoenixseth]

On the spot when the movie ended i decided that Joker is my number one movie of all time.

[@luiki4189]

The Fantabulous JalaPeña I had a bandana lol I was part of the mob surrounding the cop car

[@nagarajanveerannan2967]

@@zackphoenixseth I agree. i almost had the same reaction as in I felt it was one of the best films I've seen for a long time that made me go wow.

[@rigorigo8145]

When he created that smile with his blood, that is the moment Joker was born, making him persue his lifestyle of killing even innocents now. Arthur Fleck was no more.

[@zercora]

The joker was alive the moment he walked down that stair case

[@manicms]

I'd call it his baptism.

[@turq1824]

Shut up fortnite

[@roadkillz78]

"When people have nothing to lose, they lose it." - Gerald Celente

[@viksaggu9085]

NPCroadkillz78 love that quote!

[@user-ec5oc6pu6g]

Celente is a legend

[@sparshparimoo]

By the last scene, he doesn’t care about ‘deserve’. He only cares about ‘jokes’.

[@alctaurion9038]

by the end he IS the joker basically joker will kill anyone just because he can

[@santiagomelendez4468]

For some reason, I think that that last scene was before all that shit happenned. Like when he was with her first psychiatrist and I think she was the one that mentioned Arthur was in Arkham before and then asked him why was he in Arkham and the they cut to an scene (very much like the one we saw at the end) where Arthur is beating his head upon the door in a whiteish room just like the one we saw at the end. And I don't think it went too far tbh, besides you can't know what she did to her. Maybe he just stabbed her in the eye or something lol. I just genuenily loved it.

[@melissagorgas2035]

When Arthur just kept staring and smiling at his boss I FELT THAT SHIT!! That scene alone told me that this movie was about to get more and more effed up and man it did!!

[@khalilcooper8830]

As he stood there smiling you heard the sound of him kicking a trash can fading in. Wow just wow

[@Trish-lamour]

I thought we all can relate to that scene

[@EntropyGuardian]

The reveal that he was imagining his relationship with his neighbor saved a good chunk of the movie for me. I was thinking "Man, I am loving this but this woman would not be spending time around this guy in a million years. Where is her kid?"

[@King_Cosmic]

The end showed that he was truly the Joker at that point. There was no saving him.

[@holyflame2]

*"You see madness is like gravity, all it takes is a little push"* -JOKER

[@jimiyakuza9523]

So very true. The last few months have felt like we’re in a Batman story. Society going crazy and tearing itself apart over the actions or perceived dangers of the joker...I can almost hear him chuckling at the madness of it all

[@ladislaugomes7447]

I see allot of Ledger's Joker on Phoenix's. It's like a prequel.

[@trackwalkerfilms]

yes..push..then watch me work.

[@round12tko]

The only person that showed the Joker compassion was the dwarf

[@MrRadioRiot]

happy larry Did he really? I thought it was just weird how he straight up killed the guy that gave him a gun, if anything the midget killing that same guy would make more sense.

[@j2174]

@@MrRadioRiot eh? Why's that?

[@TheAntiArtist]

@@MrRadioRiot Maybe he killed the guy because though he gave him the gun to "help" him, he inevitably lit the flame for Arthur to take the next step in standing up for himself when he's knocked down (or stomped in this case). It streamlined Arthur's progression into the Joker.

[@MrRadioRiot]

Forte.Ui That makes it even more bizarre. Why lash out against the person that literally helped you create your own persona and make a name for yourself?

[@j2174]

@@MrRadioRiot that guy helped to get Arthur fires from his job. He told the owner about Arthur having the gun.

[@kevinsayshowdy]

Loved how he showed obvious pain in his laughing condition. Perfect way of injecting the laugh into this movie. Just wow.

[@zachaverett7583]

“I hope the visceral experience of Joker does serve as a wake-up call that we are partially culpable for the monsters our society is creating.” Grace... this summarizes the movie beautifully in one sentence. Coming from someone who has struggled with mental health demons, has been in a mental health hospital, and who has experienced first-hand the horribly inept and castrated attempts our society makes to address mental health, I applaud you for saying it the way it really is. Thank you.

[@stjjnr980]

The “Shhhhhhh”, when he dropped the 🔫 I lost it 😅

[@wilson81919]

I war rolling bruh

[@merrickbeaufort8048]

That shit was funny as hell! Then he tried to play it off like nobody saw it lmao!

[@bukai2008]

Yeah that was shocking with all the children around just stopped singing

[@Roman-ez4hq]

I love how in the last scene when Joker tells the physiatrist that she wouldn’t understand the joke, it flashes to Bruce Wayne standing above his two dead parents. You have one abandoned child juxtaposed over another abandoned child. It’s crazy how the film was able to relate Batman and the Joker so strongly to the point that they essentially started their hero and villain journey the same way.

[@Roman-ez4hq]

Harley Quinn they aren’t brothers, but it’s almost as if they are.

[@Roman-ez4hq]

Starscream91 exactly. The main difference between the two is that one became a hero and one became a villain, but they both started in the same place.

[@rjohndonahue8262]

Harley Quinn half brother

[@nebulous8389]

@@Roman-ez4hq honestly I'd like to think they are its possible that Thomas Wayne used his power and money to cover up the fact that Arthur is also his kid. Todd Phillips says it isnt supposed to be comic accurate at all more so it's own movie.

[@Roman-ez4hq]

Nebulous I was actually thinking that Thomas Wayne had Arthur with another woman (not his wife or Penny) and then used the relationship he had with Penny Fleck to make her adopt Arthur.

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

"All it takes is *one bad day"* - Killing Joke In this movie: "You're Arthur right? Are you okay?" (paraphrased of course) "I had a bad day" - The Joker.

[@Iquey]

Bad Day by Daniel Powter starts playing🎵🎶🎵🎶 "cause you had a bad day.."

[@Milo_Reacher]

When he stopped the midget before letting him go I thought he was going to kill him because he may tell the police. Then I realized that Joker doesn't care, not even for the police

[@strontiumblog]

I found it hilarious when young Bruce Wayne slides down the fireman’s pole to approach the Joker... I hope I’m not the only one that thought this was a reference to the 60s show 😬

[@strontiumblog]

And that’s why you don’t comment before finishing a video... glad Grace agrees!

[@docrussojr]

My interpretation of the *Joker* was that when you try to do good, you get walked on. But when you turn bad, you're sensationalized by the media.

[@KALAPE_]

Frankie Russell definitely a piece of the film, definitely not the main idea though

[@knucklestheecchidnaa]

"No one care who I was until I put on the masl."

[@thethrowawaythatstayed7055]

Agree!!

[@TreyIM22]

@@knucklestheecchidnaa Bane, what are u doing here?

[@moonskeetz]

After sympathising with Arthur, I hought the ending was necessary because it reminds us that he is a villain and is a cold blooded killer.

[@moderman512]

He does not become the joker till the final scene. When he makes the smile with blood. But it was worth watching the journey. Best film I've seen in years.

[@1999tenorio]

instead of blaming this movie for inspiring monsters maybe use it as inspiration to help them from becoming one.

[@heinsoe6488]

The right perspective

[@3dmaster205]

Yeah, but that requires that they go against their own ideology, they have to fundamentally give up that which makes them feel like good people; they never will.

[@Lodatzor]

This should be the top rated comment.

[@SJ-oq7iu]

A freaking men

[@SJ-oq7iu]

This was like a PSA for how to help and be kind to downtrodden people. How to avoid creating monsters. How are people not seeing that is beyond me

[@EFantasic]

I think the movie was a perfect mirror to society and that is what frightens people.

[@roycastanon5754]

Emily definitely, joker would be terrifying

[@Possiblyabandaid]

The funny thing is, I bet most people here wouldn't agree on the context of reality. Spot on though in my opinion.(I'll see myself out)

[@lollic307]

I'm disturbed that millions are spent a movie about broken society.. I wish Hollywood would use some of that money to make a positive change on earth...50% of people on this planet are in literal hell...I'm done

[@alienchola]

👏👏👏

[@ramiyohay7286]

This movie could be set in 2019 and still have the same effect..

[@Merdicano]

Same, I feel like even though its set in the 1980s, the form and way this world is built and the effect on society it had, its a huge reflection on how society is like nowadays on 2019, that was impressing to me

[@michaelknight2897]

I am curious, what commentary do you think it has that is applicable to 2019?

[@tristan6551]

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo 80s

[@bigtimecena3676]

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo no it’s set in 60s or 70s

[@juanlazy7949]

That would be too on the nose if they set it in the present

[@joshb3867]

“Those who don’t know history are due to repeat it” Philosophy 101, love it!

[@boeschner3835]

I feel like this stupid controversy is going to cost Phoenix an Oscar...

[@milkshake26M]

disney is working overtime for that

[@johansmallberries9874]

Do those even matter anymore? Shit, if rather get a Dundee

[@karimzakaria9621]

You think so? I think it might cost Joker a Best Picture nomination but I feel like hes going to win Best Actor easily

[@joshmargolis1424]

@@milkshake26M you know disney/marvel and dc are cool right? They all want the other to succeed because it benefits the genre. Just look at the gift Feige and Co sent Gunn on the set of suicide squad.

[@jamesoller4900]

That’s sad

[@Ace-jb6gi]

The whole movie is from Joker's perspective. He's disturbed, I don't even know what was real and what was in his mind.

[@mem1701movies]

Jesse Estall yeah... he's an UNRELIABLE NARRATOR

[@hawks5999]

I think everything was in his mind. He never got out of the hospital. His first psychiatrist asks him about why he was in the hospital and he refuses to talk about it. Because his fantasy is touching on his reality and he won’t have that. He dreamed up everything and that gave him the impetus to kill the shrink at the end.

[@melokari4704]

Jesse Estall I think everything was real except people cheering for his jokes, people only cheered for him for his tragedy, that is real, not the jokes.

[@reubenyuri]

They play happy music whenever he's making up things in his mind. Picked it up When He first imagined his talk show appearance where he gets a hug, and I found it eery when they played the music again when zazzy beats was hanging out with him.

[@jarrodedson5441]

@@reubenyuri I have a question for you

[@NaikoArt]

The last scene is just the conclusion of Joker, he finally became a monster that has no cure, you think he just kills bad people, until that end

[@derrickwilliams1210]

All I was thinking was "Don't kill the midget!!"

[@Cat_herders]

Derrick Williams you have a problem with a little violence?

[@Merdicano]

Haha, yeah, I really felt so bad for the little fella, he was just there shocked and terrified in the corner on how he witnessed the brutal killing of Randall, that I really was rooting for him to be spared, and it did

[@Tan87ful]

Manuel David Rendon Acevedo exactly

[@georgeposadas5028]

This movie had me shook. I was on my toes the whole time. Best joker movie ever. One of my favorites.

[@arthurfleck816]

We don’t call them midgets anymore. They prefer to be referred to as a “Little person”.

[@reubenyuri]

They play Happy music whenever he's making up things in his mind, when he imagines his appearance on the talk show to his dates with Zazzy Beats. It's a nice hint, loved this movie.

[@diskjokk]

I totally missed that. Wow!

[@anawayne52]

Wow thank you for this!!!

[@tymone3544]

If that's true maybe it means he imagined killing the doctor at the end.

[@MrWizeazz]

That dark brooding cello score throughout the whole thing though. It almost felt like I was watching the Shinning or something. This is such an amazing movie and I can’t wait to see it again.

[@BilsonBoi]

Tymon E I thought that for a while but I also think it could be where the line between his imagination(of what he would have wanted to say or do in his mind) and what he would actually do, his reality, have blurred. Now all those things that he wanted to do and say but kept inside are on the outside. It’s like 2 colorful dyes mixing together.. someone described him as a walking ID and I thought that was really good cause he just does what comes to mind now.. no second thought or guessing which is the joker

[@awesomearl54]

Killing Joke: Batman made Jack the Joker Joker: Joker made Bruce the Batman

[@tqlla]

I say "I made you" you gotta say "you made me." I mean, how childish can you get?

[@awesomearl54]

@@tqlla the hell ya talking about?

[@Chessheromusic]

Earl Highlights wha his name was Arthur in killing joke

[@awesomearl54]

@@Chessheromusic His name in the comics is Jack napier

[@trence5]

If - IF - half the things that happened were true it juuuuuust might explain WHY Batman won't kill the Joker.

[@superproducercbiz]

The biggest mistake of the trailer is showing the “can you introduce me as joker” part. That should of been first experienced in the film. would of been a definitive moment.

[@MaxIronsThird]

But then you get the reason why he wants to be called Joker, first because it was used against him and also because he hates his own name(implying that he blames his adoptive mother for his trauma) and that he just wants to live Arthur Fleck behind, he's not that person anymore.

[@gaithealwahab5202]

Good thing i didn't watch any trailers beside the very first teaser

[@MakoProductions321]

I learned one thing from this movie: We sure do live in a society.

[@jorgiebutt]

??...we've always lived...in..a..society. Did you mean that our society reflects what is depicted in the film, which is bad. The rich do have us by the man and lady balls.

[@jorgiebutt]

@Samuel Maurer Oh. Kay.

[@Blurredborderlines]

@@jorgiebutt that's the joke

[@jorgiebutt]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 Uh. huh. Keep posting

[@jorgiebutt]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 ah, you're the measuring stick of bravery. who would have guessed that one.

[@brickherostudios1070]

I actually really liked how Murray was played. I was sold on him being a late night host

[@sMASHsound]

i think it was done well enough.

[@aquarius4884]

Some people just can't get past the fame/recognizability of an actor.

[@macmcleod1188]

He and his hench person were strongly channeling the Johnny Carson show.

[@ramonserna8089]

Difference being Murray was actually funny

[@cyranodebergerac6587]

Taxi Driver come full circle.

[@mkotow]

"Acts in self-defense when he shoots them" First two you can make an argument but the third was a straight up execution and the film was very clear on that.

[@Suspence008]

mkotow right!?! Lol I was hearing all this stuff about self defense and I was like....eh, he kinda started that way lol

[@navylaks2]

Very true

[@ricardocastro253]

I think she meant it started as self defense.

[@nothingserious8577]

He got what he deserved. Right

[@T1hitsTheHighestNote]

He was a witness.

[@dec23]

Grace, the ending scene was just depicting that he is now the JOKER. The joker has no remorse, empathy, compassion - he's crazy. I thought the ending was great.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

I don't think that final scene went "too far", if anything that scene demonstrates that Arthur himself has gone too far and basically has become the psychotic Joker we know, a madman killing for his own amusement. Everyone else he kills in the movie he has clear personal motivations for doing so, but with that psychiatrist it isn't the same, it's just evil.

[@kovac5412]

I think the final scene was needed to hammer the final nail in the coffin that he’s not supposed to be sympathized.

[@cadenceangel]

Yes!

[@anobodytrynatelleverybody7535]

Yup, I agree

[@mahmam3128]

Exactly, not just the final scene but also when he murdered Randall

[@benrualf]

Right after he is applauded by everybody in the city. I mean I know what you're saying but I also know that some people will not see it that way

[@loveoffilm4327]

i agree, the last scene showed that he doesnt have any kind of twisted code anymore, hes just chaos now.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

I feel like people are overlooking that Bruce was just like Fleck: a sad soul that couldn't smile. A sad soul that just got his "bad day".

[@Blackhawk211]

the fundamental difference is that bruce dedicated his vengeance on making sure it doesnt happen to anyone else wheareas arthur wants everyone to feel the same way

[@dec23]

I thought it was very odd how Bruce was so still and really didn't smile, even when his parents were alive. You're right.

[@kamranr03]

I got chills at that Zazzie Beetz reveal. It was definitely one of the best reveals right after the one where Arthur reads his mother’s letter

[@siriusgray]

Kamran Rehman it wasn’t that surprising. The earlier scene where he knocks on her door and proceeds to make out with her was not believable in the slightest. That was the biggest hint he had no relationship with her at all.

[@kamranr03]

siriusgray true but it was still very shocking especially because things like that that didn’t make sense before all made sense now

[@Rachel-xf1yc]

Arthur just needed to get a dog, it would listen and love him unconditionally.

[@rhiannejones3815]

Rachel Lol John wick 4 crossover maybe

[@austynstephens9263]

No.

[@mynamesjustmaxwell6814]

Ion think he could provide for it.

[@Mamba_4_life8]

Does anyone think that when Joaquin went on Kimmel with regards to the outtake and the talk about his breakdancing, he was illustrating the point that the film makes about media and talk show hosts looking for entertainment rather than an actual discussion?

[@entertainerdstudios4386]

Dudeeeeeeeee

[@kailashsingha4073]

Whoa🤯

[@davidd4696]

it took this movie for you to realize that? lol. All those shows do is BS

[@chadbeast420]

Damn... facts

[@tissuebox1264]

Just watched the movie today you are right it mirrored the internview from the movie

[@gusharris-reid3419]

Joaquin Phoenix characters: smothering their parents to death since Gladiator...

[@simonsez2873]

Lol true

Good catch.

[@shadowed366]

Does an Alien count as a mother?

[@g.w.7893]

Touche'

[@yomarnt]

Pillow talk.

[@DeadFreakingPool]

Don't think this needs a sequel. It shouldn't have one. It accomplished everything it intended to do in this powerful standalone.

[@1D4ever]

I agree unless you tie in Batman

[@sombhattacharyya]

The last scene was perfect. Philips did not miss his mark. That music is the music of total madness and lack of reason where Arthur resides now.

[@peterpain6625]

I guess most people voting this movie down just feel threatened by how close to home it hits.

[@cordelllongstreath741]

@@bnwo thank you.

[@mollytovxx4181]

@@bnwo I believe there is value in trying to understand the perspective of characters like Arthur, or the incel-types and shooters of the world. Movies are one way we can explore these ideas and ask difficult questions. This is not at all the same thing as agreeing with those perspectives or condoning their actions. Ultimately their viewpoint is deeply flawed- but how can anyone expect these issues to improve if we ignore the root of why people do these things (even if their "why" is in no way justifiable)? It is of course difficult to present these ideas without seeming to glorify them, but I think the fear of that misinterpretation means that these conversations rarely end up happening in the mainstream. I am very glad for the conversation and debate a movie like this creates.

[@oneshotperrotte1541]

Maybe rotten tomatoes isn't as fair as most people believe! Right now as of Thursday opening night joke's rt score is 69% but the audience score is at 92%.With nearly double the reviewed votes! I personally care more about the audience votes. I really enjoyed the movie!

[@Joe-co4yq]

@@bnwo It's not justifying the violence in the movie. It's showing the danger of our own cruelty to people can cause this violence.

[@cobracommander8133]

N.W.A. It’s almost like you’re purposefully missing the point because it hits too close to home.....

[@Zachary_McLaren]

This movie really holds up a mirror to our society, we do not help the mentally ill enough.

[@Whaddayamean13]

And yet some people think confiscating guns will fix the issue of mass shootings. They completely disregard the message of the film: you cannot solve violence by committing more violence. Police would be ransacking homes, violating privacy, and treating citizens like criminal suspects when they enforce gun laws. Maybe we should lend a hand towards society's loneliest individuals instead of begging politicians to intrude on human rights.

[@amsd1231]

It held up a mirror to our society and people didn't like what they saw.

[@fabianhammer2864]

​@@Whaddayamean13 It doesnt help that a lot of People romanticize mental Illness. May contribute to the Fact, that the People who actually need it the most, arent taken seriously. This Movie, while being set in 81, reinforced my Belief that we are too divided as a Species, as it is, mental Illness not necessarily being a Necessity. Or most of the Earths Population has already gone mad, after all. Time will tell….Im probably reading way too much into this Movie and its Themes….needless to say, though it was sometimes a frustrating Experience (plotwise), the overall Mood really got under my Skin. Special Shoutout to Hildur Gudnadottir, who subtly elevated this Flick, to another Level- End of Rant.

[@crispinrovere]

Saw the "super rats" when the Wayne's were shot.

[@ronicave8522]

And also when Joker killed the three guys in the subway.

[@rustyshield]

They were seen, when joker was talking in the phone booth as well(first appearance)

[@blossomlight2719]

They can introduce Rat-Catcher character in the future if they make a sequel. Gotham in this movie have a good foundation to introduce Rat-Catcher and Gary as Gaggy, joker sidekick

[@michaelsanangelo3473]

When Grace starts to tear up about a movie it’s contagious.

[@kiyantesmith3089]

The Zazie Beetz moment was great. Also leaving her fate to the imagination is haunting.

[@cadenceangel]

It really was.

[@mogaman28]

Yes. I was: did he really killed her and her daughter?

[@rashidarasheed8779]

@@mogaman28 yeah I think he did.. Cause there are these ambulance sirens after he returns to his apartment

[@azeezibnnaim]

No I don’t think he killed her , based on how he reacted to choking Alfred in front of Bruce

[@rams3955]

I don't think he killed her but I do kind of wish they didn't include the reveal. I kinda wish they kept it ambiguous to whether it was all real or not.

[@L1amS0den]

After going over the movie in my head, I laughed at the joke about the city being infested with ‘super rats’ and Murray’s joke solution was ‘super cats’. It’s a call out for the future of the city with super villains popping up and super heroes being the supposed answer, as people always say in comics how absurd it is and that one always results in the other

[@BilsonBoi]

Liam Soden ah interesting, I like this lol

[@MeryKeit]

THIS. So good.

[@oranmcclintock302]

You see the super rats in the alleyway where Bruce is standing over his dead parents

[@apophis9192]

This movie is not that violent... Not compared to a lot of other s*** we've seen

[@christianandrade2973]

That's true people and the media are overdoing it. It wasn't that disturbing and not as violent as I thought it would

[@camdenreed5369]

Like for real, there are fucking 8 SAW movies 😂

[@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386]

@@camdenreed5369 I can see why SAW gets a pass well the current day SAW that is since they turned it into a fucking one note comedy and gore fest

[@hdhdhedhdh986]

@@christianandrade2973 I was expecting so much more. The violence really isnt that bad in this.

[@Merdicano]

@@hdhdhedhdh986 Yeah, it really isn't, like its shocking, but not the shocking effect that scares you so much it makes you puke

[@3rillz]

“You wouldn’t get it” the joke was that he was able to turn a young rich kid into a vigilante.

[@nicknevco215]

though in the movie he did not do it directly

[@sometimesidontunderstand0029]

That's how I saw it too

[@aquarius4884]

@@nicknevco215 Ofcourse, but he WAS the cause of it all.

[@TrupimOkiemTV]

that was fucking brilliant playing with lore of this universe

[@chriskhaan]

did he even learn of Wayne's murder in the movie? and i'd like to know how he feels about Bruce

[@michaeldeal3786]

I like how everyone always ask why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker and this is why..

[@AlfredEiji]

Michael Deal Yea. I think I get it now too. Killing Joker would be equivalent to admitting that society is beyond saving, and it would be better to burn it all down.

[@magicflyingbaby]

Well Grace touched on this idea in her non-spoiler review of Joker

[@AlfredEiji]

Bobeert Yea, I know.

[@shanemcdowell6722]

Well you can't kill your older brother. Lol.

[@ShimaS-0079]

The real question is why doesn't the state execute the Joker. All the people the joker has killed the world would have made that choice for Batman

[@francescorengifo]

I think that having him murder the woman is a message against the rest of the movie about him being a robin hood.

[@peterpain6625]

Agreed. Also i bet she got that joke now :D

[@roycastanon5754]

chesco what woman?? You mean his mother?

[@TheRealBGregz]

DayTripper I was wondering the same thing...

[@Campy_Camel]

DayTripper The woman he was talking to at the end of the film

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

DayTripper The psychiatrist at the very end.

[@sleepy9102]

This movie is a masterpiece end of story

[@Merdicano]

Undoubtedly, also unpopular opinion: its better than Endgame and the rest of Marvel movies that came out this year

[@SACosby-lp5td]

It's a fantastic character study but its not a Masterpiece. It is definitely a pastiche of better films that came before it ..

[@solskjaer1195]

@@Merdicano What's unpopular about that? Avengers movies are for people who can't think and just like to see fight scenes and big explosions. Joker is an actual masterpiece. It's a movie for people who want to be challenged. I loved it.

[@Merdicano]

@@solskjaer1195 Props to you Ben for poiting it out

[@dimsim21]

The last scene just proves that Arthur ‘has nothing to lose’ and didn’t care anymore

[@businessk3014]

"Why are you laughing" "You wouldn't get it" He's laughing because nobody cared when he was looking for help and he has to go that far to get another therapist but the joke is that by then it's too late so he kills her, he's no longer "Robinhood" he's not trying to be good anymore

[@3dmaster205]

He never was trying to be good.

[@alvinpeterson1039]

No one cared enough to help him, when he was trying to get help. But now that he has done all this, everyone is looking at him everyone is noticed him, eveeyone's attention is on him, get it. It took him having to lose everything to gain this lol bit of attention and respect and help in the end. That it's unfortunately to late, way to late. Gotham you get what you deserve. Gotham is proof that the system is broken.

[@businessk3014]

3DMaster thats why I used quotes but he still thought of himself as "not a bad guy", by the end he doesn't care about the distinction and it's funny to him

[@BilsonBoi]

Exactly, the fucking Wayne’s have to die before anyone sees some quality mental care and tbh wtf.. who is it going to have to be for people in the US to get quality mental health care? Obviously not the droves of cold children..

[@maxrusty3596]

@@3dmaster205 You missed the point if thats what u think.

[@xenomorphrules6982]

I think the reason why there's such a push back on this movie is because society has become so accustomed to playing the blame game. "It's not my fault I'm in this situation, it's this person's fault!" Nobody is going to step in or stand up for somebody when they're being blamed for something until somebody is pointing the finger at you. Then it becomes a huge problem.

[@thekoffinrockers]

Check out the phenomenon called the bystander effect.

[@outerheavenman]

@@thekoffinrockers Excatly

[@3dmaster205]

No, the reason for the push back is quite obvious; they're intersectional feminists, aka haters of all that is white, male, and heterosexual (especially the working class); and here's a white, male, heterosexual villain exactly in the mold they hate, and they imagine him as a hero for all the people they've been beating down upon; they see the movie as resistance to their demands, and they hate resistance to their demands.

[@sarajean727]

Check out the attribution error

[@anon7945]

Every individual doesn't really care about others, some maybe just to feed their egos, but in the end when one falls down no one would give a damn.

[@briancarpenter6413]

Two scenes that were hilarious: when he's outside the hospital talking to the cops and runs into the glass door and when he gets inside the refrigerator lol

[@Iquey]

Yeah when he goes in the fridge I was like... Damn I didn't know you could do that, take out all the shelves and just... Fit in there.

[@rohithkumar8708]

How is that even hilarious

[@gyr0zeppeliii507]

izuku midoriya Because it was just so strange

[@ME-hs7ll]

That was also a nod toward the theme of not existing in the movie. Him not being recognized by the detector as if he wasn't even there.

[@briancarpenter6413]

exactly

[@ARCHIHAB]

I think he was trying to say in the final scene that when he was asking for help no one has giving it to him but when he became the Joker and famous they are giving him a psychologist.

[@crawdaddct]

This movie definitely says a lot about our society. I was impressed with even the placement of the movie in 1981. We tend to look at that time with rose colored glasses, but that was when we as a country turned our backs on people with mental health issues, shutting down many programs. Stopped trying to rehabilitate criminals. That time has directly led up to the issues we have today. Good review, it is ironic, the people who should be championing this movie are the one turning against it. Just shows power is more important than doing what’s right.

[@My-Name-Isnt-Important]

For a time the state forcibly locked up the mentally ill people in insane asylums, where they received poor care and were kept in poor conditions. With many of them being abused. It was believed that it was better for the mentally ill to be with family, than forcibly held in asylums, which is why in the 60s they began to end forcibly holding to mentally ill. Its not a black and white issue either, both being held and free with family have certain serious issues related to them. Also, many places now are totally overwhelmed and understaffed and can not deal with the amount of people that need help and treatment. There simply isn't enough people willing to deal with the severely mentally ill, and far too few places that can correctly and humanely handle the amount of people that need treatment.

[@defenstrator4660]

To be fair, a lot of the change was the attitudes towards mental health. After the problems of the 60s and 70s where mental institutions were becoming prisons to keep problems out of the way, it was felt that people need to be free rather than locked up.

[@internetdinosaur8810]

All the ironic "society" memes aside, this genuinely does say a lot about our society.

[@yakovsychev9726]

And one more thing. When you are gonna give me the Oscar can you introduce me as "Joker"?

[@cadenceangel]

Oh would that ever be so Perfect.

[@atticus5106]

I feel bad for whoever presents him with it.

[@sparkleymarkley4234]

I can't remember the last film I watched that stuck with me for days and days after watching it. As creepy and disturbing this movie is it's still truly a masterpiece.

[@FREEUS1776]

The font they used for "The End' I'm convinced was in reference to the Looney Toons, which was brilliant to me. That's all folks!

[@kainie7982]

Every time someone tries to tell me a joke starting with Knock Knock, I will think of Joker.

[@kailashsingha4073]

and I ain't making those jokes again 😂🤣

[@terminator9478]

You get what you deserve

[@ludwigtheholyblade777]

You better get the fuck out of the way the ending of that joke is quite explosive

[@AtaurRahman-bs1lm]

They went the TRAVIS BICKLE rout with the ending. Like Scorsese said, "Most of the audience make a hero out of Travis when he kills the pimps because he attacked the right people. HE WON'T BE RIGHT THE NEXT TIME". Only in TAXI DRIVER, they don't show this NEXT TIME. The movie ends after the incident. But in JOKER, THEY BLOODY SHOWED THE NEXT TIME. It's amazing.

[@cadenceangel]

Exactly.

[@austinfull8941]

I love how young Bruce is played by the kid who played young Joe (young Joaquin Phoenix) in You Were Never Really Here

[@shahbodshirdely9783]

The reason they did the movie in 80's time period was because if it was in 2019 he couldn't have access to a gun that easily and he would be cought by subway security cameras and finger prints

[@GarrettTheViking]

The best line from one of my favorite episodes of Batman: The Animated Series, "Birds of a Feather," sums this movie up perfectly. The Penguin says, "I suppose it's true what they say: Society is to blame. High Society."

[@neto5928]

My favorite Penguin episode ever!

[@gracienryan131]

I don't think this movie needs a sequel, but taking elements from it would be a good idea for future Batman movies.

[@TiredRetrogamer2]

I think it can loosely set up a new universe.

[@sophiag612]

Lewbella I think it would be cool if this was Pattinsons Batman origin. & the new Batman movie was in THIS universe.

[@robspencer6452]

Thomas Wayne is seen as a bad guy through Joker's eyes. We are seeing him through Joker's perspective

[@solaariz]

Rob Spencer so many people miss this point.

[@CCTV9]

Maybe he is an asshole. Bruce idolizes his parents and he was quite young when they died.

[@amsd1231]

@@CCTV9 I don't know. Other characters in the Batman universe speak highly of Thomas Wayne. I think he is depicted this way because we are seeing things through the Joker.

[@macmcleod1188]

Asshole or not- the photo is pretty good evidence of an affair. Nice, good looking, wealthy guys and gals frequently have affairs.

[@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386]

@@amsd1231 exactly like lets not forget thomas wayne is also a well known surgeon aside from being the owner of a billionare company so chances are he helped people during his time

[@Luumiia19]

"This movies end goes too far" "She didn't deserve it." Grace, are you sure you understand the Joker? He shot Barbara Gordon for fun. Everything he does is for fun and chaos.

[@haiderz4510]

Are you referring to batgirl

[@SValens]

@JORGE LIMAS What are you talking about, her review was spot on. The only thing she didn't particularly agree on was the ending. We don't all have to agree on everything.

[@QuothTheRavenclaw11]

He shot Barbara not just for fun, but to try to prove a point.

[@ryiin]

I never seen as much running in a film that doesn't have Tom Cruise in.

[@valerieivanova2433]

ryiin lmao

[@javgoblin]

Tom cruise was the little guy.😂

[@ethanknight2085]

LoL good shit

[@hectorsquintero9424]

I disagree, i felt the ending was a perfect representation of the Joker. Alo I felt De Niro did fine as the talk show host.

[@davidabbott8967]

I second this

[@JonathanMutsinzi1998]

Hectors Quintero it cemented this movie as 1 of his story's

[@bubblegumdukem9758]

Yeah she had a bad take

[@obsidiansinclaire3826]

Its proof that Arthur Fleck is dead, and only the Joker remains.

[@Lukecash2]

I agree, De Niro was excellent as the talk show host, the nice guy in private, the viper on stage.

[@rushmore309]

Excellent point about why he asked to be called, “Joker” at the end.

[@ampecsu]

Zazie not being there was obvious from her showing up at the door and knowing his name.

[@GeorgeCaltsoudas]

I also really liked the juxtaposition between Arthur and Bruce Wayne and also the boy on the bus. Arthur likes to think how different and better his life would be if he had grown up with Thomas as his father at the manor, but seeing a depressed young lonely Bruce Wayne who can't bring himself to smile shows us that would not necessarily be the case. And in contrast to both the Waynes and Arthur's mother and boyfriend, that mother on the bus is so loving and protective of her little boy and that boy's ability to very easily smile and laugh and connect with others shows us how he is the mentally healthy product of a loving, nurturing upbringing.

[@cadenceangel]

Awesomely put!

[@GF-jo3yy]

My favourite moment was when he used his own blood to re-paint his smile back on before he turned and faced the crowd!

[@SusVir]

Yeah.

[@neilsantosh8897]

me too

[@brendonw456]

"How to write an iconic moment" Seriously though...I have been thinking about the symbolism behind that moment a lot. My take so far is that it visually shows how Arthur is finding a twisted joy as a result of his suffering.

[@MaxIronsThird]

That was an amazing scene

[@annaoophoto5259]

FINAL SCENE: It's too late. For him to made the difference

[@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386]

exactly and thats the whole point of the scene like I dunno how that all of all things flew over graces head

[@ACONNECTIONTV]

The ending made sense because at that point the psychiatrist to him was just like the first one. Someone who isn't helping at all and would just be taken away if the funding was cut.

[@jaideepwarrier9092]

About that ending scene, I feel like Arthur was so mentally scarred by the end that no help or kindness could change him. When there was really hope to change him, society didn't do anything, instead it was just a catalyst to the person he eventually becomes.

[@Duke_Togo_G13]

When he kills his mother, the Joker is born.

[@joshuaceballos5478]

I disagree its when he kills the 3 guys when he dances in the bathroom was his entrance to the world

[@Gongolongo]

@@joshuaceballos5478 I agree. Pacing and tone changes drastically.

[@evanparra4866]

i agree.

[@cunt4724]

I don't think so. When he kills the 3 guys and dances, that's when the Joker is born. Arthur and Joker co-exist until he kills his mother. Arthur dies with his mother and the Joker takes over.

[@Mandalore1999]

To me, when Arthur got up during the car accident and when Bruce’s parents died. That’s when joker and batman were both at the same time

[@inakimendiberri2226]

My favourite line was "Nobody puts themselves in each other's shoes anymore". It's something so simple, but at the same time so true.

[@nemisiesaidSTARS]

Loved that subway scene where he just walks away while the mob takes care of the detectives. There's a shot where he's in the center of the screen, it's very joker and goons stuff.