Film Theory: Joker Ending Explained (ft. Pitch Meeting)

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This video contains spoilers! I've seen the new Joker movie a few times now and, oh boy, does it make my Theorist brain go! There is SO MUCH to this movie and because of that I want to break down the full movie - especially that ending! If you were confused about what was real and what was only in the mind of our titular character, I've got you covered!
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Credits:
Writer: Matthew Patrick
Editors: Dan "Cybert" Seibert, Koen Verhagen, Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick, and BanditRants
Assistant Editor: AlyssaBeCrazy
Sound Editor: Yosi Berman

[@gtg305h]

This was an awesome breakdown

[@zmaster7149]

Yoos

[@yalfi7585]

Totally

[@user-qw4jy1oy9r]

*Spoiler alert* Do not read if you have not seen it. Interesting question if Arthur is the Thomas son. Just saw it yesterday. Need to watch it again to solve this mystery. I will have to analyze the Penny hand writing in letters to Thomas and compare it with the hand written "TW" note on the back of the black&white photograph. It will give us some more insight to solve this interesting script twist :)

[@harryflint3252]

*noticable agreement*

[@chrisbrady6320]

This was the best supervillain movie ending I’ve ever seen not even close

[@Jelloc]

"I've never heard him cry, he was always such a happy boy." The haunting revelation that this is because his whole life, Arthur could only express his pain and sadness through laughter.

[@heatherwelch6288]

UGH

[@Charlie-bd9bq]

Fuck, this is a stolen comment, good one.

[@Charlie-bd9bq]

Never mind you just copy pastad:)

[@Jelloc]

Actually I just copy pasted my myself among several different videos hahaha

[@Charlie-bd9bq]

JelloG haha omg sorry

[@tylerboyd7765]

"Scene cuts to Arthur stomping on a body" I thought that was just him stomping on trash because he was angry.

[@mineis3andhalfinches865]

Literally me too, I was so confused when mat said that

[@gmoneyissorich7802]

Lol Same

[@cecilek2240]

Bruh also

[@Regongma]

That's cus he was just kicking trash

[@randomness5513]

Same

[@greggleblom]

His delivery of the line "you get what you F*cking deserve!" Still gives me chills. The way he delivers most of his lines is fantastic.

[@graciegaston9536]

Same here. I wanna watch it again but it freaks me out, lol

[@FalonGrey]

The voice crack he does in that scene is amazingly timed.

[@RedhoodBeyond]

I love that line

[@drewgold1]

The hard fffffff in FFFUCKKNG DESERVE. 😰😱

[@dwaynethedripjohnson6180]

@zonald trumpet wrong movie lol

[@skyblaster2366]

Honestly, I only hear people talk about the Murray scene. But the scene that got me the most was the reveal with Sophie. He breaks into her apartment, and you think "okay, they are together so maybe its not that creepy." and then she walks in and screams. She only knows him from the hallway earlier in the film. She doesn't even really know his name. IT then flashes to all the scenes we've seen her in, revealing that she wasn't there. Only Arthur.

[@npcimknot958]

that was great

[@braydencoversbeatles4029]

Little by little, you were becoming… Tyler Durden

[@heathercalvert6990]

Ending explained: Arthur has a split personality and throughout the movie we are watching him "die" and Joker come to the forefront. Evidence in brief: Arthur is right handed, Joker is left handed. Arthur's notebook has two different writing styles. Arthur's body language is hunched and defeated, Joker's is flamboyant and makes full use of his body's motion. If you watch closely you can see the moments he shifts from one to the other. Most clearly in the scene after his delusion at the Pogo club. He's writing jokes at the table and shifts from Arthur -right-handed, frustrated, and light writing - to Joker - flamboyant, left-handed, and bold large writing. By the ending Joker is at the forefront and Arthur is gone. Thus the end scene in Arkham which is a delusion. Arkham looks different in this scene and Arthur shifts from laughing painfully to laughing because it's funny. His bloody footprints signify Arthur's death and Joker's "birth."

[@chinguunssi1523]

Good one.

[@lisko4038]

fuck thats good

[@Blackmetalmusicguru]

you might have a good point!

[@ShinigamiInuyasha777]

If you were a woman, i'll marry you for this

[@fs4459]

I agree however I believe that Arthur was killed before the ending in particularly after he kills his mother. This is because after this he is way more confident and he also kills for a reason and accepts himself as being the starter of the joker riots. This is shown when he went to the murray show and changed his mind from killing himself to killing Murray and this would also explain why he admitted to killing the 3 Rich idiots because as I said he accepted being the starter of a revolution but also because he submitted to joker he felt like he had nothing to lose. Which as we can see from the comics and all the other movies with joker, jokers thing he does what he does because he gets a kick out of it and if he dies during the process he doesn’t care.

[@jaylanthompson]

I don’t think the scene with him laughing at the wrong beats of the standup comedians jokes was fake. I just think that scene was to show how different he is from everyone else

[@yahya092]

I agree. I felt like that scene was trying to show Arthur's attempt at being the same as everyone but he's clearly not and thus he laughing at the wrong time and even writing in his journal to "make eye contact" when doing standup

[@colinobriant6895]

Yahya Al Yeah, I read it as him having some sort of inability to interpret humor so he was taking cues from the people around him and following their lead.

[@noctambule5726]

He didn't understand what the people regarded as funny and only laughed at the "jokes" that he thought was funny. I'm surprised that the comedian didn't call him out for ruining his jokes xD

[@Snuzuk]

I was convinced this was the case and seeing that part in this video confused me for a moment. I believe as well that the scene with the comedy stand up is real. He is completely detached from everybody else (he did refer to himself as being a mentally-ill loner) and this scene shows that he is not in sync with the rest (society).

[@Mari-Yama]

I thought the same, because from what I remember, other people were looking at him like "wtf mate?" it was very awkward.

[@smuvraccoon3078]

Remember Joker was so sad when he found out he wasn't really dating the girl because his mom did the same thing with Thomas Wayne

[@nrejajarian8178]

this whole movie is really just sad

[@judgment5090]

I wonder if he ever did something to the girl... probably not.

[@thatcooldudeisawesome876]

@@judgment5090 ??? What ???

[@webdude15]

@@judgment5090 i dont think so, cuz....alright i got nothing, but it would be pointless for him todo so

[@EstTerminus]

@@judgment5090 I remember the next scene is him in his apartment having that realization that they never spent time together, and then you can see police car lights shining through the window. Who knows, the police could be there for him or something unrelated. Creepy though

[@RGC_animation]

"So how did the Joker get revenge?" "Super easy, barely an inconvenience." "Oh really?" "He just said 'You get what you f*cking deserve', did a back flip, snapped the bad guys neck and saved the day!"

[@vyanhegde5736]

I’m dying 😂😂😂

[@ProgrammerPenguin]

LOOOOLLL i am a fan of his work and that is basically him in a nutshell \

[@TheTrueDiablix]

Tell us more lie stories

[@Quetzal00358]

Oh wow wow wow………………wow

[@mr_derp858]

Oh, snapping necks is TIGHT

[@YourBudDubb]

I think the final joke when he says "you wouldn't get it" is over thought too deeply. I think it has a more simple meaning. In the early stages of the movie when the news broadcasts the three men dying, Arthur laughs and his mother says "that's not funny." In the bathroom Thomas Wayne says "you think that's funny?" One of the three guys he killed says "what's so funny." The entire movie his humor (or condition) isn't funny to the rest of the world, so at the end he just came into terms that no one else will laugh being "You wouldn't get it" his final conclusion.

[@ohchlorine]

Uncle Skint thats just totally deep

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

It could just be that.

[@seanmullins6890]

Yu just over thought that tho

[@YourBudDubb]

Sean Mullins not really. I just gave explanation to my thesis. Kind of how things work

[@majortom91gsg]

@@YourBudDubb ironic...

[@tylrdxm]

Who else thought arthur was just stomping on trash out of anger

[@hatti...]

Lol same

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+Xiryzzz I honestly thought he was curb stomping someone outback.

[@russellevans8086]

Yeah, he very clearly wasn't killing anyone. There really isn't anything to suggest he did. There was no legs or arms or anything coming out from behind the dumpster and it just sounded and looked like him kicking trash.

[@MrGamingplan]

Pretty sure he was, I think matpat has actually misunderstood that scene, I interpreted it that he was stomping on the trashbag that he'd thrown his clown outfit into after being fired, as we never saw the outfit again after that.

[@valor3116]

Same

[@beyoncealways2911]

The scene where Joker is in the elevator, completely serious and a man next to him is insane and writhing around will always stay with me

[@Bard_bardington_esquire_III]

It's like resisting to masturbate on no nut november

[@subhradipsaha9518]

What I understood. Arthur apparently didn't have any history, his origin was a null. When his mental illness was spiralling down, he didn't have a family to look up to. He wanted to be a good, civilised person with reputation in the society. But the constant abuse broke his will power, pushed him towards a bipolar situation and ultimately made him choose the darker side. Like most serial killers, who find solace and pleasure by killing and mutilating humans. Arthur was also pushed into such a state. He lost all his empathy and felt good with killing. Awesome movie!

[@tinypuffs1467]

If arthur lost all his empathy why didn't he killed the little guy who is the only one that treated him nicely?

[@folieadeux0531]

@@tinypuffs1467 Because it’s what you said Gary was the only one who was nicer to author and not everybody to the society author didn’t fully transformed into the joker yet we see his process into the joker.

[@EEEEEEEE]

E‎

[@rebeccamatyas691]

He just need weed that kept me from turning out like him.

[@damienchall8297]

@@rebeccamatyas691 does not always work plus you being a women you are less prone to violence

[@ArxxWyvnClaw]

When Arthur lost both his job and his mom, you could say he was "penniless"

[@josephbenfield3763]

@Arxx Fury underrated comment right there

[@savagemilky7344]

Wise words

[@triscuitfarms]

joey boiii good bit it’s not not clever😂

[@littlesadeo]

I-

[@always_g1oomy]

AYYYYYYE

[@micatk1318]

He blew Murray’s mind with that joke

[@shaunhalstead5439]

Thats absolutely hilarious because you meant that literally

[@dhn112]

@@shaunhalstead5439 great job mate you got the joke

[@lizzypoo0]

Shaun Halstead Sherlock Holmes I presume?

[@squidboss4590]

Lol

[@jackpadz6079]

@@shaunhalstead5439 (IN DRAX'S VOICE)

[@tcmyrick]

I think the ending joke meaning was, Who’s the orphan now? Bruce loses his family, while the Joker finds his. Bruce loses everything, while Arthur gains everything he wants, admiration, mental clarity (well in his mind), and purpose.

[@zureke1848]

We don’t know if it’s 100% in his mind or not.

[@Michael-ev2xu]

Actually I don’t believe he associates anything with Bruce directly. I believe that the joke was Thomas that interaction he had with Thomas affected him on a deep level and the fact that his actions inadvertently caused the death of Thomas way pretty much wrote him off as a nobody.

[@lexusant64]

Makes perfect sense as the ending saw a sequence with the Wayne's dead and Bruce standing there, the pearls are broken loose and hit the floor and then we see joker wake up on car bonnet surrounded in glass (representing the pearls) Arthur was a boy who was tortured and abused and and his meeting with Bruce earlier had depth. You wouldn't get it!!!

[@The155thbird]

This makes me 🙂

[@danielej5856]

Honestly I don't think joker had anything to do with Thomas' death directly.He was assuming that it could be because of the riot.we never knew.Who cares he isn't even the actual joker

[@Burgertimee]

Dang Ryan George is getting good at making it seem like there are two different people, almost seemed like Matpat was really there

[@Leo_Valdez]

Yeah it really seemed like it was actually Matpat but then screenwriter guy said he’s not Matpat so obviously it can’t be him

[@mstnurjahansumi2301]

Matpat and Ryan crossed the youtubeverse.

[@ncrtrooper1782]

"I used to think my life was a Cringe Compilation. But then I realized, it's a Try Not To Laugh"

[@nathanielsmith5976]

I thought my life was a Let's Play. Then I realized it was an Any% Speedrun.😀

[@alhdino]

More like "I used to think my life was an adventure. But then I realized, it's a survival"

[@jeremybarnes3698]

That was good 😂

[@shrekthesecond6373]

You mean a try not to commit die

[@muhamedhani4419]

Its_frosty a “try not to commit no oxygen” I would call it

[@joybox1918]

Murray: "You think that killing those guys is funny?" Joker: "I do. And I'm tired of pretending it's not."

[@lucas-xf7rc]

Thats me ( and everyone ) everyday

[@jakemolina7505]

@@lucas-xf7rc incel found

[@timvanrijn8239]

@@jakemolina7505 realy your going with that? maybe we realy are all just a bunch of clowns

[@jakemolina7505]

@@timvanrijn8239 yes incels are clowns just like this manifesto called Joker

[@timvanrijn8239]

@@jakemolina7505 hello thomas wayne. dude its not a manifesto. if it where a ''incel manifesto'' whouldnt they focus on the romantic realtionship. instead of the theme that this man need help.

[@Mikeological]

“So he had a pillow fight with his mother to thank her. Penny loses”

[@unreallilac5554]

Mikeology sudden death GO

[@donthousand3296]

she was so nice that let her son Win the pillow fight

[@judgment5090]

Shame she lost. It could’ve harmed her health... badly.

[@dragonk5543]

Meanwhile he actually just suffocated her while she was asleep

[@ronyorobio7096]

@@dragonk5543 She was not asleep. She was awake and concious when he took the pillow.

[@GabrielBacon]

I think the final scene was the biggest joke of all because earlier in the movie, the city had cut funding for the meds & social support he was receiving. He was playing by the rules, working, generally trying to do good but they cut him off. It wasn't until he snapped & started killing people & wreaking havoc on the city that they gave him back the meds and services again.

[@NiJill]

Sounds about right as in..true to life

[@log3475]

This whole movie can be summed up by Heath Ledger's Joker "Do I really look like a guy with a plan".

[@stepkickking9868]

Kind of ironic considering Ledger’s Joker actually did have a plan, like he planned everything in The Dark Knight.

[@prue5588]

@@stepkickking9868 other then the bank robbery, he really doesn't have a plan.... only chaos

[@mzc102908]

@@prue5588 he planned everything and was every step of the way. He's a walking paradox, that's the point

[@prue5588]

@@mzc102908 "Some men just want to watch the world burn." But you're right....

[@aviationdude9546]

Fair enough

[@STFUppercut69]

He didn't imagine being on the talk show as Joker and killing the host. That really happened for a couple of reasons: 1. When he took a seat, he said that it was exactly like he had imagined it. 2. During the dialogue itself the host was making fun of him and telling him that what he did was wrong. Up until that point all the other delusions / daydreams had him be at the top of the world. Everyone loved him. If that was just a delusion, the host would have praised him for killing all the people he killed. But that hadn't happen. Also, when he kissed the lady, she didn't look like she was all too much into it and was kinda flabbergasted, where where he kissed his imaginary love interest, she was totally into him.

[@sh0ut4r0]

If you think that she looked as if she's into him, boi I have bad news for you.

[@brandonhuerta3198]

@@sh0ut4r0 well she did close the door and proceeded to grab onto him so id say she was more or less into it

[@thavrisco1632]

When he killed the host, it seemed like there was no security in the building. Taking up at least a minute, he shot the host again and strolled up to the camera. And when he was in the cop car, the police man didn't mention the killing he admitted to or the killing of the host, only the riot he caused.

[@TurdFergus0n66]

But hes still in the FRIDGE

[@vincentmonroe1717]

Also Murray mocks him for using his book to "remember" a "knock knock" joke. Would agree that it is real.

[@CeasarLord1]

Also I loved how even in a Joker orgin story Bruce's parents had to die again.

[@jasonjo1993]

They kind of deserves it in this movie

[@caosisaac]

Next batman movie gonna cover it again. At this point bruce gonna just yeet them himself.

[@Asset80]

They always die no matter what. That alley draws them in then WHAM! Batman is born.

[@aria5614]

@@Asset80 Yeah but like, they're Uncle Ben at this point. Why don't the movies ever pull a homecoming and just brush right past that fact? (Aside from Lego Batman and even then that kinda doesn't count.)

[@bakashinji]

I was kinda surprised when this happened but it was pretty cool and made sense too

[@GentlemensClubHolyEdition]

I really want to see a batman movie set in this timeline, seeing how everything with the joker effects Bruce Wayne after he grows up would be amazing

[@GentlemensClubHolyEdition]

This is, if any of that actually happened obviously

[@Metaknight145]

Could be really tragic if they do a more empathetic batman than the dark gritty Batman we always get in live action movies. Joker finally gets the kind of person he would have needed in his life back when he was Arthur but it's far far too late. So, Arthur tries to destroy Batman's empathy for him, out of denial, because he simply cannot face someone genuinely trying to help him while he's "lying there dying on the street" after everything he's done and the bridges he's burned. It ruins the self justification he constructed for his actions and would force him to honestly face what he's done, so he runs deeper into it. Joker convinces himself that Batman is awful, he's just pretending not to be.

[@user-pb7tp7ns1r]

@@GentlemensClubHolyEdition Yeah, wanted to make this point but nowhere up top to do so. If all of this was fake, then are Bruce Wane's parents really dead? This doesn't reflect batman at all. At least some of the plot points in the movie must have been real or it was just a guy in an asylum making stuff up and the whole "BATMAN" cant actually happen...

[@user-pb7tp7ns1r]

How will this tie into the whole DCU? Don't get me wrong, there were defiantly parts of the film that were hallucinations but surly not all of it...

[@GentlemensClubHolyEdition]

@@user-pb7tp7ns1r What, the question to ask is how would a new batman tie into this lol, and I think it could make for a really interesting story

[@tallanciano4094]

After watching the movie a second time, I noticed that when Sophie knocked on Arthur's door to ask him if he was stalking her, she says she thought he was gonna rob her apartment. Arthur responds by jokingly saying that he has a gun so he can drop by later. Sophie tells him "You're so funny Arthur". Notice that it was their second interaction, and on their first one Arthur didn't mention his name... That gives us a very subtle clue that it's all in Arthur's head...

[@user-cn3ip6ok8p]

i noticed this

[@JBuns02]

But in the scene where he goes into her apartment for the first real time she knows his name. She says “you’re Arthur fleck from down the hall right”

[@joana8615]

I mean it was pretty obvious all along

[@tallanciano4094]

@@JBuns02 I think you're confusing with their last time that they meet, I believe she said that when she saw him sitting on her couch: "you're Arthur Fleck from down the hall right?" Trying to sound more friendly to calm him down as she was sure he was there to hurt her and her daughter... Edit: also when they meet for the first time in the elevator she says nothing but smiling at him and then when the elevator stops she just says "This building sucks"

[@JBuns02]

Tal Lanciano yes but I’m just making the point that she did know his name seeing as that was their first interaction after the elevator scene

[@ryguyk987]

“Joker is way too violent for younger viewers. May seem disturbing to watch if you are a child” Me: ....yeah... that what rated R means...

[@gregorgailan2849]

Its more disturbing then violent when you consentrate on the story and ewery thing

[@casey997]

@@m0li you're gonna have to rephrase that last part it made no sense

[@fullence7906]

Ryguy K ok boomer

[@aleksisstikans1205]

Im 13 and i saw it and loved it

[@connerandbrandonroblox6932]

I watched it with my 4 year old cousin.

[@sebszeles5534]

The stairs in the Joker are symbolic of Arthurs mental state. Before Arthur becomes the Joker he is struggling to go up the steps to show his mental sanity, but when he gets fired his sanity goes down like how he goes down the stairs. But when he becomes the joker he goes down the city steps, it is a symbolism of his sanity and mental state going down.

[@moonwatcher2877]

so THATS what the stairs represent! I remember watching the movie and I just knew there was some form of symbolism there

[@Idioticproductions07]

I just thought it was his personally dance floor

[@shawnmclaughlin5886]

And at the top of the stairs when he is dancing down them are two cops aka the real world with real problems and consequences from which he runs from.

[@irwinanthony1825]

That is something English teachers would say if they taught their students this movie 😂

[@texasbeaver8188]

@@irwinanthony1825 Man, I hate English...

[@JugheadMalakai]

Mat is the only human being who can turn any video under 5 minutes into a 20 to 30 minute breakdown.

[@JoseRodriguez-pn8yj]

“It takes a village to raise a child, a child that is not embraced by the village will burn it to the ground to feel its warmth”

[@wowie2411]

God I love this quote

[@shadowling77777]

Yup this perfectly describes what happened

[@mrhutchblackdog4636]

Reminds me of gengish khan. Everyone turn on him and his family. So he burned everything. Then made laws to make sure that never happened to anyone else.

[@mrhutchblackdog4636]

Maybe Im wrong but also Mansa Musa

[@plexi9043]

Does anyone know from where this qoute is from? I'd like to watch the movie / read the book/ inform myself about the person who said it/ etc.

[@Devil-lw6ik]

I think the ending is real. Something like: After he unleashes the joker, he makes his fantasies a reality and he doesn't suppress himself anymore. Hope this was understandable..

[@markbergin8821]

I think the only part of the ending that's a hallucination, if any, is the police car crashing and everyone praising him like a hero. I think the car most likely drove him straight to prison/the asylum, explaining how he ended up captured. Although, personally, I dont think you need to explain how he ended up in the asylum, it should be assumed that he was eventually found after the riots.

[@Waterbug1591]

@@markbergin8821 Fake or real, it's up to the audience to decide is what the movie is trying to achieve. Basically it's pointless to debate either fantasy or reality, Joker happened, Bruce's family died. I don't see what's the big deal with debating what is real and what is not. The movie doesn't even give you enough evidences to determine which is real or fake.

[@kitsuneclockwork8938]

I agree

[@keithriley6597]

Exactly what I thought. I think...

[@coldcut4751]

JiNzX115 facts

[@gonkdroid1232]

This movie felt like an entire season of a tv show

[@PotentialKay]

Factss

[@koolwraith9801]

THAT’S WHAT WAS SO WEIRD!!!

[@hollowhoagie6441]

It all makes sense now...

[@corremorre]

That's what makes it so good

[@redparadise5466]

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[@MrBowserV]

Hands down, this joker movie is my favorite movie of all time. I have never seen such a masterpiece of a movie. The directing, the sounds, the lighting effects, the soundtracks and songs, the performance, the plot, the character development of arthur, how any person could relate to how arthur feels during the whole movie. It's just perfect movie with 0 flaws.

[@siddharthdevaraju8104]

So the entirety of Joker is just Arthur Fleck having an argument in the shower with his shampoo bottles?

[@omarholder9036]

Ive suspected that it's more likely that the only true sequence could be those breif flashes of a mental institution. The scene at the end and another flash scene with him banging his head on a window. And everything is his fabrication and might just be the reality his head is in at the moment.,

[@phantom31017]

I’m sure there was a Wilson volleyball there at some point too.

[@infinityhand6569]

I still like to think he blasted Murray on live TV

[@arcanonn]

No, no. It was much wider scaled. The two-in-one bottles also got involved. Soap bars chimes in. Hair brushes eavesdropping. Pretty soon, the whole bathroom was screaming.

[@myellatorres2110]

@MuffinBean :D lmao 😂

[@TheAdamHawk]

Can we just agree that the little person scene was one of the greatest scenes of dark comedy in the last few years? My GOD I was howling.

[@zerozeeros]

It was a cute moment hardly a howling moment

[@OutdatedLeon]

You mean the only kind co-worker who he didn't kill in his apartment? I think he isn't real though. The little guy is actually Arthur himself - the good conscience of Arthur. This would mean, Arthur kissing the guy's forehead as he hush him out of his house is a metaphor of Arthur kissing his good conscience goodbey.

[@nekochan3231]

@@OutdatedLeon no, stop making this darker than what it already is.

[@adolfogarzachaires394]

OF COURSE

[@mintchip228]

same,, but noo my dad called me out for it

[@m3xicanvoodoo]

This movie was art, the little guy trying to escape Arthur’s apartment legitimately had me scared for him. In every other movie I would have laughed but this movie I was legitimately afraid

[@doctorcorgi3134]

Don't worry you're not the only one.

[@s0uls4nd]

@@doctorcorgi3134 ikr

[@vetumude]

i couldn’t help but laugh at the scene, the guy sounded somewhat sarcastic when he asked arthur why he did that. my dad who i was watching the movie with looked at me as if i was insane lmao

[@remyhavoc4463]

@@vetumude I mean, I don't blame him for looking at you like you're insane, but I also laughed at that scene lol

[@HayDayEveryday]

@@vetumude you are dumb, maybe?

[@karenamyx2205]

I kinda love the idea of pasting this concept onto the traditional portrayal of the joker. Like the one going toe to toe with batman. Thinking of him hallucinating a fantasy version of all of their interactions is so cool and disturbing. And Kinda explains his actions a little bit more then just, "he crazy". Like how he always treats batman like a friend hes just playing a game with, even though batman is so cold to him. If HE is hallucinating different reactions and words from batman, it kinda makes more sense.

[@Liam-zh3ud]

“Joker was an amazing film that I never want to see again” - My father

[@niceguysfinishlast]

rewatching it takes away the awestruck-ness

[@koshiwheeler4789]

Me

[@YunGUna420]

Me too though

[@Moonbae510]

Lol

[@Arcessitor]

@@niceguysfinishlast Watched it a dozen times, didn't change for me.

[@AlkoWasAlreadyTaken]

I don't think Arthur was stomping on a body. I think he was literally just stomping on a trash bag.

[@zrixhi]

AyKay imagining it was his boss I guess

[@jeremygross992]

I agree - it was just him angry and venting on trash.

[@makadise]

You can see an ancle

[@andresnunez8156]

He just wants his theory to be true

[@Robzooo7]

I agree it's just the garbage

[@mentalerror69]

"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"

[@chriskadiya3297]

Where's this quote from?

[@jackchojnacki3818]

@@chriskadiya3297 It's an African Proverb, it's actually "The child who is not embraced by the village..."

[@jettemoraga4556]

is that a naruto reference?

[@chriskadiya3297]

@@jackchojnacki3818 oh ok thanks man.

[@mentalerror69]

@@jackchojnacki3818 I knew I got something wrong in it, cheers mate!

[@danknfrshtv]

I have never seen any YT crossovers as friggin awesome as the two versions of Joker film theory/pitch meeting. You guys are the best. More please!

[@Peacove]

69 likes haha funny number

[@michaelglynn7010]

Let’s face it, Joker is not a movie...it’s a piece of art. Genuinely loved every minute of it.

[@TerryTotter]

Michael Glynn It’s the best movie I’ve seen in years

[@WD-0820]

Ah a man of culture

[@bwebb90]

This theory was focusing too much on the FALSE hallucinations, and not the actual message. I get it, it is plausible to assume the 3rd act was all in Arthur's head. But that is a cheap cop out to why Arthur Fleck did what he did on the Murray Franklin show. The film creators are smart, very smart- they knew when to play the "oh that was just a hallucination card" and when not to. By assuming that the 3rd was a complete hallucination, COMPLETELY demeans the whole story of the POWER of disrespected mental health and the destruction it can cost.

[@Loneyranger]

I agree with you it really made you think

[@shamekanall4198]

Michael Glynn it was pleasantly horrific...and I enjoyed every bit of that ride.

[@adamlynch9153]

The most shocking information I learned while this movie: Joaquin Phoenix is younger than Jared Leto

[@iGl3n8483]

Tf really

[@prime_1577]

Aitz yup 3 yrs older

[@patax144]

Which is why Leto is better suited as a vampire

[@stealthboy316]

For reals

[@kasper_rix8865]

What

[@yarp1246]

Speaking of Sophie, you forgot that the most sus part of their interactions was when she "confronted" him after he followed her. She says, "You're funny, Arthur," but from what we have seen, he has never given her his name and vice versa. Also really weird that it took no time at all for her to answer the door after he knocked, no commentary on his makeup or anything.

[@323azteca]

She was not real. All those scenes were things he wanted.

[@yarp1246]

@@323azteca Yes, I know.

[@spol]

@@yarp1246 well you were acting like you didnt know. It all makes sense in that context.

[@lachlancrimmings2235]

Aaron L what are you talking about his entire comment was about how their interactions are suspicious and don’t make sense he’s literally giving all the evidence she’s not real. Did you even read it

[@SpairM]

Sumora Sophie was real but Sophie at those was not real

[@Apples4rent]

Maybe it’s just me but as soon as I saw Arthur let Gary go after killing Randall, a lightbulb went off in my head…”We just met the Penguin!” Arthur’s only friend happens to be a short, bald man with hands that looked oddly like flippers, has a nose like a beak and waddles when he walks (no offense to the actor Leigh Gill) but that is just too spot on to be a coincidence in my world. I’m hoping this plays out in the sequel.

[@jasonroberts6080]

Right. Need to keep the villain prequels going.

[@archiedenisu7727]

More like kids, no? Cause he looked like a kid.

[@ashleyprochnow2308]

The reason he seems so confident later on the murray show is because hes no longer arthur fleck hes JOKER hes the person hes always wanted to be. Its not too hard to see.

[@KanaidBlack]

Yeah, he doesn't have anything to lose, after all

[@emperyan_]

Mat's drawing conclusions on evidence that just isn't there.

[@delzarfarman8399]

I think life made him Jocker he never wanted

[@alyssa7867]

@@KanaidBlack The most dangerous man is the one with nothing to lose

[@aprillynx_]

KanaidBlack yeah he LITERALLY says that

[@zo6679]

“Your not the usual guy” “Sure i am” “Well ok then” Seeing you two interact is hilarious!

[@xF3arl]

What about his not?

[@Nabooshlove7]

I think this is a reference to the film lol

[@averageskeletonremover2415]

i tHiNK yOu mEaN yOu'Re

[@zo6679]

America January wot,mate?

[@sjninja]

"Thats nice." "Thats horrible."

[@kittykatluver01]

I love the breakdown, but honestly I feel like the ending was 100% real. His confidence can easily be explained by the fact that he isn't on his medication and by this point in the film he's burned every bridge and killed his mother and that guy he worked with along with the 3 wall street guys. He knows that there's no happy ending for him and that there's nothing that can stop him at this point so he can actually be himself and say and do what he wants to say

[@MyUsersDark]

It's just as he says; "I got nothing left to lose. Nothing can hurt me anymore."

[@oreo74nc]

I will respectfully disagree. He was off his medication so obviously he felt so confident. Also, if the ending was real, why wasn’t his hair green??

[@jcf5400]

@@oreo74nc cause he took out the dye🤨

[@stephsivley]

@@oreo74nc ur dumb 🤣

[@RisingShadowslost]

@@oreo74nc because that was a really shitty dye lmao its clown make up its not meant to last

[@DarthVader99447]

Joker movie wasn't the Joker's imagination. Well let me explain to ya'll. In the last scene of the movie, we saw the Joker laughing over a joke and then when the therapist asked him if he's gonna talk to her, the Joker replied "You wouldn't get it". The Joker was simply thinking about his past. Yep ladies and gentlemen, the Joker movie was real but it already happened and the Joker was simply thinking about his past all the time while sitting in the asylum in front of the therapist. This also explains why all the clocks were set at the same time. The clocks were set as if they were smiling. Actually Joker was laughing through those clocks while remembering his past. So the Joker movie was real and all the events of that movie actually happened. But we were watching the movie through the Joker's head as the Joker was simply remembering his past. This explains why "that's life" was playing in the background in that scene. Because everything that happened before that scene was simply the Joker's life. Also notice that Joker looked slightly more grizzled and older in that scene than in all the previous scenes. Indicating that all the previous scenes of the movie happened a long time ago. This theory also explains why there was a scene showing Thomas Wayne and his Wife dead. The Joker was simply laughing at Thomas because of how stupid Thomas was. Now this theory of mine has to be true, otherwise the whole plot of the movie doesn't make any sense. C'mon now, it's a movie about the Joker's life and not about the Joker's imagination. So I hope that I've finally given a perfect explanation to the ending of the movie.

[@gezzcombakking2454]

I actually believe you 99%

[@caldwellfisher5288]

to say, "oh it was all a crazy mans dream", leaves us unsatisfied, and then we might fade in to a theory similar to yours...and back again. I think this was a clever intentional ending...as it does actually work either way, and it gives us a part to play in the story i,e,.. May each person enjoy his own ending.

[@folieadeux0531]

Well thank you for clearing it up I can now finally rest now. Happy new year everyone

[@DarthVader99447]

@@folieadeux0531 Did you burst any fireworks on new year's day mate?

[@DarthVader99447]

@@folieadeux0531 I hope you didn't cause it's pretty bad and painful for animals.

[@nunyabusiness1871]

"very aggressive pillow fight, penny loses" got me laughing like the joker

[@mashable8759]

Hahahhahhahhahahh

[@thewatchdog9581]

Nunya Business HELLO EVERYONE! I JUST GOT THE WHOLE SCENE UPLOADED ON MY CHANNEL! TAKE A WATCH

[@bellablondon6172]

The Watchdog no self promo here

[@justaman1537]

I honestly lost my shit when he walked against that glass door at the hospital 😂😂😂

[@gokugaming5647]

Nobody "thats exit only"

[@bloodlinewasabi119]

Well well well hello David

[@bloodlinewasabi119]

Hi daviddd

[@jasonmueller5541]

but he played so cool withe cops, then fucks up, and continues to play it cool lol

[@DustyJones1997BGCL]

Same lol

[@garrygarrison8653]

This movie was so sad . There was literally no happy parts and the only part that was happy was fake

[@BryceStillStanding]

Good

[@cordy208]

that’s why it’s so perfect

[@kittikattt]

Thats the reality a lot of people live thru 🥺

[@nou9225]

I mean... It is drama/tragedy so...

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Him killing Murray was pretty great.

[@FlimsyStellarStar]

I like how they handled the fantasy elements instead of them going "And it was all a dream" as words coming up on screen.

[@milton7763]

The clocks almost consistently showing 11:11 are also a pointer when we’re watching fantasy. Note that the clock during his appearance on the Murray show does NOT show 11:11

[@specificsoup]

Milton77 woah what I did not notice that!

[@theyawningari]

How did you notice that

[@liamneedsome9837]

Dully noted ...

[@parksburgum]

Milton77 that’s because he knows that the Murray show is always at a certain time each night, he’s a fan of the show and knows

[@Verystrangeguy]

The creators of the movie says its just a accident even they dident even notice it

[@happychappiejr]

I loved the symbolism of him going up the stairs after losing everything, like it only got harder. Then later on when he is free of everything, he starts to dance down the stairs. Showing that it’s a lot easier when you are freed

[@coen4953]

I think the act is also a parallel that the descent into madness is easy - when you tip over the edge, there's little to keep you from falling deeper

[@talt5725]

I think it's about the social ladder

[@bigtimepimpin666]

Ah "saved by zero" like the Buddhists...

[@macaiahyhwh3330]

Didnt him went down stairs?

[@coen4953]

WILLIAM FRESKOS one of my favourite quotes from the joker 👌🏼

[@williamtenney2432]

If he had done a slightly different dance move that didn't make his gun fall out of his pocket the movie wouldnt have happened

[@Orcun2313]

William Tenney id rather say if he didnt (get) the gun in the first place

[@Sam-wi7kg]

Arther was emotional because he had just lost his job that he loved. So the question is would he had still murdered the Walstreet guys if his gun never fell out?

[@TigerLily732]

Kudakenai OR if he hadn't given the gun to a man that he knew was mentally unstable.

[@schwarzwald6672]

And if Thomas Wayne had adopted him too he would've probably been the next Murray. But hey that's life.

[@kourtneyr.scruggs0988]

The gun wasn't the inciting incident. His entire life was the inciting incident. From Childhood to the end of the movie, the life of Arthur Fleck and the surrounding environment he was raised in was the inciting incident.

[@leifleoden5464]

18:00 We don't know what the meds were. However, there are a number of anti-psychotics which lower your drive, ambition, etc. It's possible that being off the meds has deleted that filter and made him more assertive. It's also possible that 'standing up for himself' as he sees it when he kills the three Wayne Enterprise guys has made him far more confident.

[@trashboat5388]

When I saw that scene where he “kills” his boss I thought he was just taking his anger out on the thrash in the alleyway.

[@Hei_Darkfire]

He was. Mattpat didn't understand the scene. You listen you can hear his foot hitting the garbage can.

[@Glonic]

@@Hei_Darkfire timestamp?

[@NotDeadYet25]

Yeah I'm almost 100% sure he is just taking his anger out on some piles of trash don't know if mat really understood that bit at least

[@Hellisfear]

Yea nah, he was just stomping on trash. Theres nothing there that implies it was his boss. You can't see any body or really anything besides garbage. And it also a pretty typical scene you would create to show venting of frustration and anger

[@Alexandra_0209]

And remember the cops? When he was sitting in the hospital they said ,,we asked around and your boss told us that you just recently got fired etc." how would they be able to ask a corpse?

[@aungkhantsoe6888]

“What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a system that treats him like trash? You get what you deserve! “ Favorite line

[@ColaCartel]

its society

[@monsters691]

Mine too

[@yew2oob954]

Don't forget to make sure that there are little to no laws stopping the violent and mentally ill from owning guns.

[@seb9422]

Graka G nigga what

[@c.ccarlhead5744]

@@yew2oob954 *cough* in America. *cough*

[@dragonk5543]

U forgot about when he scared the dwarf in his house

[@anonb4632]

@just some guy on the internet I felt sorry for the little guy. And the big one too, who was an arsehole but didn't deserve to die. That is when Arthur crossed a line.

[@yourlocalpunkkid6136]

_ANCIENT ASTRONAUT THEORIST_ Aw but he got a lil kiss

[@Mothergoose1o1]

DragonK that part had me dying

[@nativeboy9999]

Gary was the only one that was ever nice to him.

[@alannac.7392]

DragonK “Arthur... can you unlock the door? “ 😂

[@geostrategicinsights6801]

I agree with your overall thesis. However, I tend to think that Thomas Wayne may actually be his father. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that a rich and powerful man lock up a woman he had a child with in an insane asylum. Penny alludes to it when she says that she was forced to sign papers that it wasn’t true, and also the picture she had signed by a TW, presumable Thomas Wayne. Of course, she may have written it herself, but the possibility still exists that Wayne is actually Arthur’s father. We have no way of knowing, just like we don’t know how much of the film is actually real, which in my opinion makes it a brilliant movie. We don’t know if we’re seeing hallucinations or reality, and we don’t know who is lying and telling the truth. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter if Wayne is actually his father but the mere possibility opens up a potential rivalry with Bruce that may play out in a future film if DC decides to extend Arthur’s universe.

[@rollanddev]

The Joker's past is not really supposed to be known. I think they did something impressive by keeping his past ambiguous while simultaneously exploring it. Thomas Wayne could have easily doctored the documents. Someone with his level of social/political power (and clearly wrapped in so much corruption it's second-nature to him) could easily do this with the intent of stomping out a potential wrinkle in his political career. But on the other hand, he could be telling the truth when he's confronted - trying to get rid of said wrinkle by giving it what it wants in the hopes that'll put an end to all of this. Regardless, it's clear (at least in this "universe") that the Joker and Batman have an important tie to one-another through Thomas Wayne. Whether it's a genetic tie or not doesn't change all of it being fan-service though. :P

[@christianalvarez3471]

The adoption story Thomas Wayne presented seems the least likely, given that in order to adopt a child you would most likely have to pass a psych evaluation. In addition, it's quite rare for a young, unmarried woman, working as a live-in maid to want to adopt a child at that stage in her life. Some of the court documents also stated Penny's boyfriend physically abused her and the child, when Arthur meets Thomas in the bathroom he is immediately met with violence, it's very likely he was the un--named abusive boyfriend.

[@kandgray]

That means joker and batman are related??

[@nymphey]

I don't know if it was ever done in the comics, but I find the idea that Batman and Joker might be brothers absolutely brilliant. The scene when Arthur met Bruce was in a way very tense and touching.

[@geslinam9703]

@@christianalvarez3471I agree with you that in the 80s especially, she would not have been able to adopt, and that with his money and power, Wayne had her committed and faked adoption papers. I don’t think Wayne was the abusive boyfriend, though. A woman in her position, and mental state after what happened with Wayne, would be a magnet for horrible men.

[@analyze145]

“If I’m going to have a past, I’d prefer it to be multiple choice.” That’s what I’m thinking this movie is. One of his 500 explanations of his backstory. You see in various cartoons and comics where the Joker tells various people different things, even convincing Harley Quinn of one specific one and Batman saying he’s heard more. This one may or may not be true, but eh, that’s the fun part about hearing Joker backstories.

[@davidozuna907]

I literally started reading this when it played in the video

[@jesseling6672]

He's also not mentally there and you have to remember this is from the bias of the narrator

[@starielife2680]

Exactly!!! This coulda all been a fake origin story and his past is completely different 😂😂😂

[@cowwithrandomthoughts2503]

@@unknownlycan all DC Movies have their own canon

[@StevieBoy215]

Alex I like thst

[@ruuby1006]

I believe when he imitates killing himself before the show, he killed Arthur, so that what remains is Joker

[@lollic307]

YES . I haven't seen the movie yet..but 100% yes. That's obvious though right

[@jeremy_cricket]

Yup. In that scene he is nervously rehearsing his entrance. Yet when he does come out on the show as full blown Joker, he is incredibly comfortable and confident in himself.

[@kxaie]

i was thinking that in his mind he was murrEHy and was killing himself, he was like the 2 people at the same time

[@fmstudios14]

@_Havu_ That's an interesting observation, but I disagree. Arthur Fleck at the end of the movie and Arthur Fleck at the end, don't seem too different for me. Like, if the Arthur from the beginning time traveled and met the Joker at the end, I don't think he'd be horrified. I feel like he'd be inspired.

[@pandawarii]

I think he was going to kill himself. Atleast he planned to do it. I think thats why he killed the big guy and leave. He was so confident and enjoying his final show. Then he changed his mind when he readed his old joke "I hope my death would make more sense than my life" and he didnt think his death made sense

[@evqyn]

He wasn’t fantasizing about killing his boss. He was just taking his anger out on the trash. You can hear the sound of it when he stomps.

[@davimelo9181]

Agreed

[@yo9835]

Piper Macartney-FIlgate of course, it was heavenly

[@eujean6683]

He can't really hear properly how Arthur stomp the trash(something like cans), does he also hypnosis by this movie?

[@inthehxll]

Yess agreed

[@awesomo3606]

- boobooman4 - you can see the legs and feet of the body

[@willtheangrydudeist9120]

The fact that he was no longer "medicated", is what allowed his behavior of the ending, the extreme manic episodes were the result of not being hampered by meds.

[@Snapeserverussnape]

"He becomes the leader of this public rebellion" "Good for him"

[@clementthangtinkhum7690]

That's Hitler

[@krel7160]

@@clementthangtinkhum7690 Could also be Lenin.

[@SpaceElvisInc]

@@krel7160 it can be a lot of people

[@baalgodofrain]

It worked well in Persona 5

[@Snapeserverussnape]

Could be Jesus.

[@Venonymous]

At least Murray was more open minded after the interview

[@yammymy]

lmao underrated comment

[@tory4777]

🥁 🐍

[@latteaddict1524]

you did not lololol

[@YellowAlex16]

Ohhh, I get it

[@aztn19]

If only Arthur had said this line in the movie lol 😅🤷🏾‍♂️☠️

[@gabiru6980]

Spoiler Warning* In the final scene, when he is getting ready to enter the stage, we can see that the guy in the left is clearly noticing how weird the Joker is acting. Maybe this part is real.

[@summbuddie9120]

I think it’s real as he lost all inhibitions at that point, why be nervous when you’re a dead man anyway

[@_monomorph_1411]

Joshua Orsi I think that part is absolutely real. Throughout the conversation with Murray, you can sense Joker’s growing frustration because Murray keeps cracking jokes at his expense. I think Matt had it wrong. It wasn’t at all like Joker’s original fantasy. The whole interview Murray was tearing him down. Joker even goes so far as to use the same line ‘I just want to make people laugh’ which brought him admiration in his original delusion, but Murray’s response was ‘and how is that working for ya?’ You can see Joker get visibly irritated because no one is reacting the way he wants them to. That whole sequence was real. I believe he actually shot Murray. However, I don’t think the sequence with the police car at the end actually happened. I think that was one of his delusions of grandeur. Because in the very next sequence, he’s in Arkham, with no sign of having been in a serious car accident and the psychiatrist’s words are intended to break him out of some sort of daydream. I believe that final sequence WAS that daydream and the *joke* is that Bruce Wayne- a rich kid who had it all that was constantly in the tabloids- was alone in a back alley, whose struggle was invisible to society, while Joker, who was a nobody his entire life (think of his rant on Murray) is now the face of a movement and plastered all over the news. He’s flipped their roles.

[@phantomprism7659]

@@_monomorph_1411 I'm skeptical if the clown protests are even real

[@_monomorph_1411]

Phantom Prism I think they were, but I don’t think the sequence of him being praised by them was. Throughout the film, you see the papers and stores filled with clown paraphernalia. However, I don’t think the dialogue of the news casters saying “this clown, whoever he is, is being called a hero” was real. I think the clown riots were a result of Thomas Wayne calling the impoverished people clowns on TV. I think Arthur saw his murders on the news, then saw everyone in clown masks and created this false equivalency in his mind that *he* started it, and *he* was the face of this movement. But you’ll notice, when he’s at the rallies, or when he’s on the train running from the detectives, no one really cares about him. They don’t take notice of him. But suddenly in the end they’re praising him. I think the riots were real, but their reaction to Arthur wasn’t. Why would they praise him? They’d see him as just another one of them, just like they did at the rally outside the theatre or on the subway.

[@KeiosKod]

I wouldn’t say Arthur deluded himself into thinking he started the protests. It’s not as if people actually know what the clown killer who shot the businessmen on the train looked like, so why would they equate Arthur with the killer just because he was dressed as a clown? Even the police who were interviewing him before thought he was just another member of the rallies.

[@PaulGaither]

6:08 "Shockingly terrible security." Yeah, you will find that was true for pretty much everywhere before 9/11. A crazy man broke into Buckingham palace and entered the Queen's bedroom not just once, but twice - which fans of The Crown are aware of. Similar stories of atrocious security can be heard in interviews with criminals who lived back in the 60's through the 90's. Don't forget that John F Kennedy was killed because he was riding around in a convertible. While not identical to Franz Ferdinand, the lesson had yet to be learned after 50 years. I know that those stories don't have to do with the security of a building, but overall security was often a facade for anyone of ill intent.

[@fikrijuanda6321]

Also the fact Wayne doesn't have bodyguard

[@matityaloran9157]

I’d add D.B. Cooper’s air piracy as an example

[@kharnthebetrayer8251]

A small point. His comedy show bombed, not really because he was bad at writting jokes. His jokes are good, he just delivered them wrong, and the crowd misinterpreted him The 'Well no-one's laughing now' was meant to be self-depricating. And then the host, gets a laugh, using his joke, as he meant to use it

[@Minoche_Fahd]

true

[@wydkaz8358]

this is so true..

[@InspiringNotionz]

I thought the same thing… it was a great illustration of how comedy is all about the timing and delivery.

[@Twilight2Dawn]

He wasn’t stopping on a body in the alley way after he was told to pay for the sign. He was just kicking trash.

[@eternalconfusion6226]

ecaxtly. What he means is that this scene (right after the hallucination about the Marrey show) exists to give us a hint about reality vs fantasy. So at this moment he was probably hallucinating about brutally murdering his boss, or someone else. And that's exactly how I saw the movie as well.

[@caedmonuhren3128]

i thought it looked like a body, you can see the legs sticking out towards the top of the screen from where he is kicking

[@aMotionless]

Eh, I agree that it was just trash, because after he kills someone he dances, there was no dance, just tears and fetal position which lead me to believe he was just lashing out at the thought of losing his job. But hey this is the beautiful thing about an analysis. You see how people see the same thing differently lol

[@Twilight2Dawn]

Anthony Rivera I saw what you did. He was lashing out angry that he had to pay for the sign. He wasn’t hallucinating or whatever. Just mad.

[@eternalconfusion6226]

@@aMotionless oohhh interesting idea for a pattern!!! But I think he doesn't always dance. I saw it almost a week ago though, so I have to see it again to be sure (in 2 days from now) ^__^ You're so right, great movies are open to different opinions :D

[@lamancha5090]

Pitch meeting crossover with Film theory is tight.

[@ItzTonkla]

Indeed

[@ryanbyhre8039]

Why was this pinned? It was literally taken from your other Joker theory.

[@astrapboy]

Actually, no, it's super easy, barely an inconvenience!

[@christianvaldez7048]

Yeah Yeah yeah

[@rowdful]

Super tight

[@jamesgarlick4573]

Fun fact: since the death of Bruce Waynes parents is cemented on one specific date (I believe it's June 8th) no matter what version of the story it is means that we know what night the late night show is on canonically!

[@jaymenno405]

His laughter literally broke my heart. Every time he would laugh was painful to watch until the point where he kills Murray and laughs. That was genuine laughter which made it even scarier!

[@vick7868]

His acting was pure art. How he personified pure pain was heartbreaking and raw.

[@henrythegod6756]

When Sophie first showed up at his apartment and said “Arthur” I was like, hold up, they never exchanged names. I figured the movie just yada yada’d over it, but then I was like AHHHH well that makes sense

[@RhysezPieces]

HenryTheGod I was hoping it was all in his head, because we learned a staggering three things about her in the entire movie: 1. She’s a woman, 2. She has a daughter, and 3. She lives with her daughter down the hall. Literally nothing else. (Except maybe her morbid sense of humor)

[@guy_does_nothing_productive]

Omg same, i thought they just exchanged names offscreen, but then it was revealed that it wasnt even real Glad i wasnt the only one to notice

[@elja.]

HenryTheGod then how come when the scene comes where its revealed that they never knew each other she said: “you must be arthur”

[@jamesmyers6739]

She knew his name when he went into her apt.. She said you must be Arthur that lives down the hall. Should I call your mother?

[@adambrotherton9930]

@@elja. If a mentally ill and potentially dangerous person lives in your close vicinity or apartment building, its usually protocol to let the nearby residents and local law enforcement know they're there

[@ConnorMooneyhan1]

I don't remember him saying the joke was "between me and him"? He just says "you wouldn't get it"

[@solideogloria7573]

He was at a early screening, they probably changed it

[@Metalija1315]

@@solideogloria7573 I watched the movie yesterday. He says both things. He says: "You wouldn't get it, its between me and him".

[@kawhileonard9691]

Metalija no he doesn’t

[@TheActualNut]

Metalija he does indeed

[@danielgerber4481]

@@solideogloria7573 של

[@godslaughter]

That entire intro is by far my favourite you've ever done. Love it. The humour is fantastic

[@tmarioc7922]

"I hope my death makes more cents than my life", "the worst thing about mental illness is people expect you to behave like you don't" definitely a lot to this movie really enjoyed it

[@thefkingmadhatter169]

Those were some of my favorite bits, especially the way "cents" was spelt.

[@Helvetica09]

I hated that they translated these bits in the german version I watched. They only translated the writing in his notebook and his card he hands out but no the newspapers or the files.

[@kdlt1948]

@@Helvetica09 und die animation vom stift war ziemlich bad

[@Helvetica09]

@@kdlt1948 Ja echt! Sie hätten es einfach auf englisch lassen sollen.. Ich habe mich nur darauf konzentriert wie seltsam es aussah und kaum gelesen was da stand 😂

[@eyl4745]

"The worst thing about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave like you don't" I think was the quote

[@darkkingriku]

I’m not sure he was stomping on a body in that scene, I just assumed he was mad and taking his anger out on the abundance of trash just sitting around

[@Theredeyedjedi]

Yeah that's what I thought. This movie has alot of ambiguity to it

[@Johnny-on7ig]

No way that was a body

[@FoohyheadGaming]

I thought the exact same. Maybe that makes that scene real then?

[@josephgaspar2944]

Yea didn’t see a reason as why that would be a body. Just taking his frustration out.

[@DOOMGARDEN666]

yea same. theres no body in that scene

[@nuller87]

"I've never heard him cry, he was always such a happy boy." And the sad truth is, he wanted to cry, he needed to cry, but in the end, all he could do was unwillingly laugh. Just try to imagine that for a second..

[@e6486]

Goddamit my dude you made me smack my phone

[@nuller87]

@@e6486 It's just a joke

[@e6486]

I'm talking about the fly

[@nuller87]

@@e6486 So am i.

[@grat.2242]

My personal theory about this movie is that when we saw Arthur create the Joker persona, he created something bigger than himself. With the whole clown movement, it inspired mentally insane people in the future to take on the Joker identity later on when Bruce Wayne (shown as a kid in the movie) grows up and becomes Batman. Maybe he's the reason behind the 3 jokers

[@Hemworthy]

“Look who’s laughing now” Joker:Who’s always laughing

[@Viktomic]

Yeah I was in the chess club - the joker

[@cottonflamingo6585]

I think Bendy

[@azhar4716]

@@Viktomic todd joker howard

[@davidethridge5748]

*no ones laughing now

[@KennyLastname]

"Oh, look, I forgot to *PUNCH* out!!!!" That was a freaking brilliant pun for him XD

[@elizahart661]

Just saw the movie loved that scene

[@nanazsan7536]

I just realize that may as well be fake bc he seemed so confident and rebellious, but that's just a theory

[@Kangasound]

I laughed the hardest at this scene

[@tylercolby1426]

For some reason I was the only one who laughed at this moment in the theater. 😂

[@res0nance197]

"Of course, it'll be super easy. Barely an inconvenience" Me: *checks runtime*

[@sonowbrand7824]

Same

[@sjninja]

Same.

[@bigtmane8]

Lmao me too!!

[@thetruejobros872]

Wow i did the same thing man. Hahaha!!!

[@maddogkilla1]

Hey guys guess what???? I also checked the runtime!! Same!!! Me too!! How weird huh?

[@Fredrick_Turner]

OMG YES RYAN GEORGE!! Getting him on the channel was probably super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[@matthewsandifer8835]

I think that when he lost his meds he was “set free” from his barriers that the meds had made to keep him from going full blown mad

[@isaacman112]

I think killing Murray was real, but him escaping and meeting his crowd were a fantasy.

[@Schmancy114]

How about we say nothings real the movie doesnt exist and it just happens that this isnt even a dc film cause its a made up joker God i love this movie

[@darksith85]

With the whole, Arthur kicking the “body”, he wasn’t. He was literally venting his anger on the trash, since his boss wasn’t listening to him about the sign having been broken on him by kids and that he had to pay for it. That scene was not imaginary.

[@JohnnyRexville]

I strongly agree with you mate

[@icb-me2805]

Yeah he worded it badly there :/

[@petergao96]

It can look like that he's kicking a body. But it's probably more him venting it out on a pile of trash rather than a fantasy boss killing.

[@ThanatosTheDark]

This is also supported by the SEVERE amount of trash shown on the streets in the scene before he's called into the boss' office

[@totoroxmusic]

ZedPhoenix exactly

[@zerosystem86]

"All it takes is just.. one.. bad.. day." -Joker

[@shinobidaniel_12]

That was true

[@id10t7]

This just makes this movie way more meta.

[@thattcgguy1044]

That's why i love the scene in this movie where Arthur says "I had a bad day"

[@TrensGemini]

I like more the longer version: All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.

[@pablonchas]

Except the Joker has never had a good day, only bad days

[@katietran2058]

You’re awesome Mat and so is everyone on your team! I’m very grateful to have the opportunity to watch your content!!

[@Boxdevil95]

"Arthur is having an aggressive pillow fight with penny" ....."penny loses" What a great way to phrase it hahah.

[@markweathers6099]

He’s acting confident towards the end of the movie because he has nothing to live for after he finds out the truth and so he doesn’t care what he does and he feels comfortable Edit:Thanks ya I’ve never had 1k likes before this is dope🙏🏽

[@BurgundyandBlue1111]

I agree. It's amazing how confident a person becomes when they feel they have nothing to lose.

[@undisclosedidentity9893]

Also he becomes more confident and assertive after his first murder. It liberated him from a beaten victim to someone who can fight back

[@BurgundyandBlue1111]

@@undisclosedidentity9893 In the bathroom you could see/feel him transform to from a victim to an empowered being. That dance was amazing.

[@whiteknight3929]

I agree, he's completely liberated by the end. He says himself that he has nothing to lose anymore, he even intended to shoot himself so he doesn't even care about his life. That and the rioters like and support him and his ideas. Seems pretty real to me.

[@Mar_s-vy6js]

@@BurgundyandBlue1111 exactly these "it was all fake" are just boring and unnecessary

[@disquiet-mind]

"Mind telling me your theory?" " *You wouldn't get it* "

[@bigchungus2346]

Haha I see what you did there

[@ayopayo856]

oooooh joker reference (great job)

[@Hugabolunga]

*Walks away with bloody footprints*

[@lordfenix17]

*that's life*

[@Sweet_Z_Official]

7:06 So, this explains why Joker's backstory is so complex. It's *literally* multiple choice.

[@TewityPlays]

what1???

[@squiddart]

@@TewityPlays joker doesn't have an identity like batman (bruce), superman (clark)... He has multiple backstories and nobody, not even him, knows which is true

[@kn0wmad1c]

His relationship with Sophie being fake doesn't mean that everything could be fake. He was still in all those places, and all of the reasons why he was in those places were real, he just imagined Sophie there with him.

[@blockfrisbee7713]

“Multiple choice”

[@blockfrisbee7713]

20:33

[@rafaelojeda]

Yes, the real Matt said it’s a mix of reality and illusion

[@kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk0123]

I think the idea is interesting but this movie was for the average Joe. Scenes were explained to tell the story. I doubt anything else was his delusion.

[@rosalinacortez1091]

Then he killed her, orphaned her daughter, who will be forced to live on the streets in the impoverished city... growing up to be cat woman.. (Zoe Kravitz)

[@kerrid5717]

No I don’t think he was fantasizing about his boss I think he kicked trash after the meeting to express his frustration and moved on It was just more of a glimpse into his violent thoughts

[@tammiroberts9295]

Me too

[@jaredchacon2645]

Yeah i thought that too

[@TurboChad2423]

Same

[@Shmuckett]

Without question

[@LucianCanad]

Same. I had to look real hard at the trash bags to maybe see a pair of legs. Definitely didn't think that scene was him killing his boss.

[@lalzuala9314]

“Agressive pillow fight with his mom.” I lost it there 😂😂💀

[@diogofernandes8143]

So did the mom

[@lurker6918]

@@diogofernandes8143 I kept wondering why no nurses and doctors showed up when she died, shouldn't her heart monitor be connected to an alert system? Idk it does take place a long time ago and it could be part of his delusions.

[@weather9405]

@@lurker6918 right

[@frankiealec]

Lal Lian Zuala she lost

[@ray-beam]

So your saying you lost the pillow fight to

[@SuperHolmesBrothers]

I don't think this is a Joker origin story. I think it's the fantasy a troubled man uses to cope with his life by being this important figurehead and taking control of his life. The real Joker believes that everyone is just like him underneath their masks and I think this movie is playing with that idea. Could also be a commentary on the fans of the joker character that almost idolize him.

[@bobbycarreras7482]

i thought when he laughs at the wrong parts of the joke at the comedy club was real

[@thomasgoff4405]

It was MatPats theory looks at it at the wrong angle, it wasnt in his head, the ending is metaphorical for arthur dying and joker being born. The joke he thinks of when it shows Bruce wayne next to his dead parents is that he thought he was related to bruce by being his brother but now they will always be related as he was the cause of his parents death.

[@OutlawAladdin]

The comedy club was real but the black girl was never there. That was his imagination.

[@ashleynichole2938]

I thought so too. It showed his disconnect from society

[@asthmatictuna]

imo he's social laughing like earlier when he's in the locker room and he laughs at people making fun of the midget because everyone else is laughing and so he thinks it's appropriate. He stops as soon as he's out of sight because he's not genuinely amused, it's just a ruse. He laughs out of time at the comedy club because he's trying to fit in but he can't read the social cues. His mum says he's not funny, it's because he doesn't actually understand comedy, he just wants to be a comedian to be liked, like his talkshow heros who his mother enjoys.

[@BluesGetOrigin]

Thomas Goff that is actually so amazing! Never thought of that

[@barokate3506]

When he said "Penny loses" i completly lost it. Single best bit of all 3 channels

[@luciddr34mer57]

Lmao

[@localloser7415]

@Ghostryder Xtreme What

[@PismotHello]

@Ghostryder Xtreme yikes, did you forcefully headbutt a brick wall?

[@pendantperuke9440]

I know who else lost it.

[@HowHorror]

Ok

[@sachmaisnochpeppda]

Another theory: when Arthur wants to cry, he just laughs. So he is always crying.

[@PatrickWDunne]

That was my take on it.

[@g_g...]

Duh... have you heard of the condition he has... look it up on Google

[@-babygirlenjoyer-]

@@g_g... he also says in the movie that "It's not a condition..it's just who I am"

[@g_g...]

@@-babygirlenjoyer- yeah cuz that's another condition... it's called being pressured by the society and making your life a piece of joke... that's how he feels. If you'd feel as awful as him you'd Express yourself in a similar way saying that no one is civil any more... it's honestly one of the best movie of the decade. All his conditions and re responses may be a large stunt for a person to do but it's 100% possible

[@g_g...]

@@-babygirlenjoyer- he's just accepting the thing that ruined his life and being more confident henceforth being the laughing joker