Israel vs. Palestine: Whose land? AI debates

[@JonOleksiuk]

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[@al.ushrabi]

No matter what ethnicity lived there first. Genocide is still wrong. Love peace ❤

[@al.ushrabi]

The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHTRZ6lujZV4mM0si=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj

[@Brugh123]

@@JonOleksiuk can you do a video on a Christian view of whether or not homosexuality is a sin or not? Thanks!

[@SgtAxel1]

I am curious about your training procedure for these videos. For the debaters, are you fine-tuning the public pre-trained versions of these models at all? Or simply prompting it to assume the role you want to give it with no additional training or parameter changes? If you are fine tuning, how do you curate the data with which to fine tune? This could have quite some biasing effect if the data is somehow partial to one side or the other (which is always the case to some extent). Super interesting concept, thanks for the videos!

[@AnmEEE-e6g]

​@al.ushrabi Stop spamming that

[@Jimmy-vm5wj]

Im sure the comments will be civil, logical, and be a home of decent and gentlemanly debate😶

[@Andromedon777]

Good day to you sir

[@RMCbreezy]

We all know why we clicked lol

[@polokucoch8112]

It's actually quite civil in here. AI has decided. Nice to meet you Jimmy

[@alansokelisatruehero8520]

i just with i new googles AI "trigger words" in their speech censorship algorithm. so hard to be even discuss things honestly anymore on most sites, X being one of the few now. I even been banned for just quoting the Quran when someone challenged a particularly nasty sura existed, just copy pasted and they reported me for making them look silly. smh. it hasn't got much better since.

[@Steve0C]

Absolutely. After all, what is the youtube comment section if not a haven for those who refrain from crass ad hominem, and sophomoric rebuttals?

[@4share643]

This is the most civil a Israeli vs Palestinian debate will ever get.

[@drakependragon8439]

That is because when you start using facts against the pro terrorist supporters they get mad and attack calling you "pro zionists"

[@tomomihisaya]

True this is the best a pro Palestinian has ever debated. No shouting or racial slurs

[@drakependragon8439]

@@tomomihisaya and no antisemitism

[@WertyTT4]

i don’t think a 2 humans are ever going to have a civil discussion about israel or palestine, so it had to be AI

[@PragmaticPursuits]

@@4share643 not true I’ve watched/Listened to several civil conversations about the conflict between real humans. If you need proof I can provide it.

[@MrDj232]

I thought the pro-palestine AI was going to have the stronger argument in the second round, but then it immediately went "Palestinian law treated jews as second class citizens and oppressed them with extra taxes." Pro-Iseael soundly won all 3 rounds.

[@yosefzanerva806]

Well, that's the thing. A.I., being a robot, can't lie if programed not to.

[@6Sparx9]

That's because the pro-Palestine AI was dipping into Marxist (Critical Theory) arguments and as a result emotional arguments like opressor-opressed. The reason for this is the data it's trained on is largely informed by NeoMarxism.

[@FullMetalAtheist]

Facts. It was refreshing to not hear Palestinian supporters just scream "Open air prisons!" every few seconds.

[@OzairPatel1]

@@yosefzanerva806That's really not how AI works. If i train it to believe the sky is red, the AI will genuinely believe the sky is red. It's not lying.

[@Thenoobestgirl]

😂

[@ThePendulum-d6j]

Pinapple on Pizza debate please

[@lollllolll.]

That's actually a bad idea All the AIs who would defend the pineapples on pizzas would automatically be banned on Italy 😂

[@fesimco4339]

Pinapples were on pizzas for thousands of years indicated my the "Menu" stele.

[@blgdinger3]

pineapple goes on pizza, it also goes in salsa

[@t0m653]

@@ThePendulum-d6j which to worship, god emperor of mankind or chaos gods debate lol

[@johnjunior9156]

I unironically like it, fire asf. And i believe that at least half of people hating on it are only doing so because it became widely acceptable to insult pineapple on pizza.

[@hunkerdown8045]

The area wasn’t known as Palestine until named later by Rome as a slap in the face. Even then, a Palestine wasn’t a people but rather an area.

[@gabrielfine6296]

Exactly. and it was fully named Syria-Palaestina (renamed from Judaea) after suppressing a Jewish revolt against an unjust Roman ruler and exile.

[@chiaseedpudding3463]

@hunkerdown8045 Do you bother thinking for a minute before typing things? Ancient Greeks called it Palestine too.

[@AlR-ol9gh]

@@chiaseedpudding3463 First of all, no, they didn’t. Throughout most of history, they referred to that land as Israel. When they called it Palestine, do you know why? Do you know why the Greeks referred to it as Palestine? 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@BeepertheInquizitive]

@@chiaseedpudding3463 it still was an area lol

[@GennadyRevzin]

@@chiaseedpudding3463 Ancient Greeks called the Gaza area Palestin based on Hebrew Plishtim meaning Philistin because that was the territory where Philistines originally settled. This is why Romans in an attempt to cancel the Jewish roots renamed the area into Palestina and because they gave the administration to one of their main centers in the area - Damascus, it was known as Syria-Palestina.

[@olaoluwaelijah6154]

The pro Palestinian AI did a better job than all pro Palestinian debaters I have seen. However, it still lost.

[@ballsmasher3000]

Can anyone argue with me?

[@ballsmasher3000]

Thats because we see the woerld though western lens

[@RebeccaOvadia-zc8ql]

​@@ballsmasher3000 yea I can

[@ImABugger]

​@@ballsmasher3000 you might be right, but the alternative isn't anywhere close

[@scriptaman2888]

Well to see it through non western lenses you'd have to live with no AI, running water, medicine and perhaps even cutlery to start with.

[@AdamPruett]

I love how there's so many people arguing over the whole Israel-Palestine thing, and then there's just one guy asking for a pineapple on pizza debate😂🙏🏻

[@Jinx-z2g]

Usa Leech. Free Palestine 🇵🇸🔻❤️

[@AdamPruett]

@@Jinx-z2g Disgusting

[@AndreyKrichevsky]

Very interesting. Never seen an AI debate before. I couldn't help but notice that the pro-Palestine AI was kind of flip flopping between arguments... First arguing that the Israelite statehood did not negate the right of the earlier native groups, making an earlier occupancy argument. Then went on to argue that the displacement of the Israelites and their replacement with an Arab majority gave the Arabs legitimacy over the Israeli claims. Then switched once again, arguing that the displacement of the Arabs and their replacement with a Jewish majority is what undermines the Israeli claims. To me, this inconsistency and double standard, which ironically is consistent with most pro-Palestinian arguments I've heard, is what lost the pro-Palestine side the debate...

[@adielcohen4048]

Well it does make sense the AI is fed pro Palestinian arguments and talking points, so we would make sense that the same inconsistencies that pro Palestinians have would transfer over to the AI.

[@aesop1451]

@@adielcohen4048 Your name is Cohen 🤣I'm Latin American, but from the outside looking in I'm sure Father Abraham dressed and acted more like a nomadic Bedouin than a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe.

[@davidmays8974]

You're both very obviously biased and fail to be critical of both sides and their pitfalls. They're A.I. they're not going to argue good regardless.

[@adielcohen4048]

@@davidmays8974 I mean the only criticism I have of the pro Israeli AI is the fact that he didn't just call out the pro Palestinian AI out when he randomly started talking about the Canaanites as if they were the Palestinians and diverted the conversation from a Palestine versus Israel into Israelites versus Canaanites.

[@AndreyKrichevsky]

@@aesop1451 Pretty sure the ancient Canaanites didn't drive the same cars as the Palestinians either... What's your point?

[@Thenoobestgirl]

No such thing as a Palestinian Arab identity before the 1960's. How come the Jewish AI didn't call that out immediately?

[@pktrainerfadi1409]

What the land is called is not important, Palestinian dna links them to the original inhabitants of the land

[@GPBKM]

@@pktrainerfadi1409 , That's false! You're twisting the facts in reality for political propaganda, and that's a very dangerous thing!

[@Hi-lh2yx]

Really? you're denying the existence of Palestine before 1960 please educate yourself

[@pktrainerfadi1409]

@@Hi-lh2yx people get lost in the argument of what the land is called, the land has been called many things over the generations, Canaan, judea, Syria Palestina, Palestine and now Israel. What remains consistent is that the people living there now are defendants of the original inhabitants the Canaanites and this is something that’s been scientifically proven

[@practicalguruconcern]

@@Hi-lh2yx he is not denying their existence, but their Palestinian identity

[@sinocam]

Afghani here. Like everybody knows, Afghanistan was once Buddhist, Taliban destroyed those huge buddha statues. most buddhist left Afghanistan. If you ask me if they are ever allowed to come back to their ancient ground, the answer is pretty simple: of course This whole Middle Eastern conflict is so stupid.

[@Andromedon777]

Interesting. I didn't know this

[@alexn.2901]

Did the Buddhist left more than one millenial ago ?

[@EnzoWithabenzo]

Me too… I didn’t know Afghanistan was majority bhudist… hectic.

[@RMCbreezy]

​@@Andromedon777ISIS and others like the Taliban have been scrubbing world UNESCO sites. There's footage of them blowing up Buddha statues somewhere. The world news simply doesn't care about religious crimes anymore and even try to not cover such things

[@RMCbreezy]

If people would study history this wouldn't be that unknown. ISIS and the Taliban have destroyed UNESCO sites

[@stevenmackey582]

Pro Palestinian AI switches arguments completely to make an argument at 16:00 that it originally argued against?

[@sageoldbuck3882]

yep.

[@Maximus0051]

💀

[@nicolascastillo6319]

conditioned!

[@arkad4357]

AI can’t lie as much as the average pro palestinian so they need to contradict themselves

[@drakependragon8439]

Just like most pro palestine folks.

[@n4049]

In the first round, the Palestinian AI referred to the Palestinians as Cannanites. The Cannanites were ancient pagans who inhabited the land. But what do they have in common with modern-day "Palestinians"? Some DNA? Palestinians are probably not the only people in the Middle East who share these ancient Cannanite genes, including Jews. However, the pro Israel side is talking about JEWS. An ancient people who still exist today and practice the same religion and speak the same language. unlike the pagan Cannanites who disappeared into history.

[@yerdasellsavon9232]

1. Modern Jews are different people to those of the second temple. Your argument of jewish continuity is christophobic as it denies that christianity is continuous with the religion of the second temple. 2. The DNA argument matters because the palestinians are the descendants of the Cannanites thus proving that its their forfathers that have inhabited the land. 3. The picts also "disapearred into history" but you will not find anyone who argues that scots are usurpers to the land

[@moshepner]

​@yerdasellsavon9232 1. Your theorie doesn't make sense with the DNA connection between the Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sphardi Jews. Where the lived for tousends of years separated but have DNA connection from somewere. 2. Palestinian DNA refer connection to bronze age Levant where the Bronze age Levant kingdoms where in Syria Lebanon and Iraq. Syrian Lebanese ,Jordanian ec' has the same DNA connection. Thats why you can tell the difference between Palestinian and nearby countries in DNA test

[@lior124]

​@@yerdasellsavon9232 how on earth the palestinians are descendents of the Cannanites. The palestinians are jordanians and syrian arabs that came to the land that was called Palestina and after Israel was established, they suddenly decided they are part of the Palestinian nation. The original Palestinains (Philistines) were an ancient tribe whose origin is from Greece and Turkey. Nothing to do with the current people. The word Philistines originated from the hebrew word Plishtim (פלישתים) which comes from the word "polesh" (פולש) which is - intruder.

[@princessmenen9064]

@@yerdasellsavon9232Arabs are from Arabia not at all native to this land!! Look up muslin conquest of the levant! Now days Palestinians have Zero connection to the canaanites! They are here as a result of the Muslim conquest!

[@glennbarrow8325]

THE TRUE STORY regarding PALESTINE -Palestine is the land of the Prophets. -Jews have no rights in Palestine -Palestine is for Palestinians -Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine -There is no country of Israel Some of the Prophets who lived in Palestine are: Ibrahim (Abraham) Lot Ishmael Ishaq (Isaac) Ya'qoob (Jacob) Yusuf (Joseph) Daud (David) Solomon Zakariyyah (Zachariah) Yahya (John) {May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon them) Ibrahim(Abraham) has two sons: 1. Ismael 2. Isaac Isaac's son was Jacob(Ya'qoob) where most of the Prophets came from his lineage such as Yusuf(Joseph),Daud(David),Sulaiman(Solomon),Zakariyyah(Zacarias),Musa(Moses) and Yahya (John). The second name of Prophet Ya'qoob(Jacob) is ISRAEL so his clans are called BANU ISRAEL(Son's of Israel). Also, accordingly, ISRAEL means Abdullah (servant of Allah). But the tribe of Israel has been known for disobedience and stubbornness where they oppose and kill their own Prophets sent to them except for a small number them, this is how the Quran describes them. Among their disobedience are: -They disobeyed Prophet Solaiman (Solomon) -They disobeyed Prophet Musa (Moses) -They disobeyed Prophet Eisa (Jesus) -They killed Prophet Yahya (John) -They killed Prophet Zacariah (Zacarias). THAT'S WHY ALLAH PUNISHED THEM. THEIR PUNISHMENT IS THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE NO LAND IN THIS WORLD EXCEPT THOSE WHO BELIEVE. What happened to them for several centuries is that wherever they ended up in the middle east after the time of Prophet Eisa (Jesus), others went to Europe and America. In World War II between the years 1941 and 1945 the Holocaust occurred where nearly 6 million Jews died in Europe at the hands of Adolf Hitler of Germany. The reason for Adolf Hitler's great anger towards the Jews is about politics and religion where the Jews believe that people who do not belong to them are animals or the lowest creatures, because they believe that they are the chosen people who chosen by Allah, so Hitler did this to them. They only got land in Palestine because GREAT BRITAIN took pity on them where it was recommended to the UNITED NATIONS and the UN immediately received it in the year 1947, because the Jews also served for a long time in Great Britain. In the following year (1948) the Zionist Jews immediately declared their own country in Palestine which they called ISRAEL where it seemed as if they only arrived in Palestine as refugees until they gradually expanded their land to conquer in the lands of the Palestinians in a violent and forced way, at the same time they gathered all the Jews around the world where before they would have been scattered because of the punishment of Allah. This is where the Arab countries intervened and there was a war that has not ended until now between the JEWS and the ARABS. Apart from this conflict, the Jews also do not respect the Arabs because they believe that they are the only believers, so they did not believe in Prophet Muhammad SAW and it was easy for them to kill Arab Muslims. Why? Prophet Ismael, the brother of Prophet Isaac, is the son of Hajar, the second wife of Prophet Ibrahim, who used to be the maid of Sarah, who was the mother of Prophet Isaac, the first wife of Prophet Ibrahim (according to their history). And after the reign of the clans of Isaac in which the last Prophet among them was Prophet Eisa (Jesus), Allah gave this promise to the clan of Prophet Ismael where the last prophet and Messenger would come from his clan. Prophet Muhammad SAW. Because the last Prophet did not come from the family of Isaac, the Jews did not believe, believing that Prophet Ismael was inferior compared to their ancestor, Prophet Isaac, the son of Prophet Ibrahim's first wife, besides that, they really are people who disobeys, even to the early Prophets. In other words, the ongoing conflict between Jews and Arab Muslims is about religion and history. Palestine is a place of Arab Muslims, and the believers in the clans of Israel, it does not include those who disobey, they are not among in the promise of Allah. There are three existing religions in Palestine: 1. Judaism 2. Christianity 3. Islam WHY ARE THE CHRISTIANS IN PALESTINE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ENEMY OF THE PALESTINIAN MUSLIMS? Christians are not like Jews, where Jews are worse but they are the same race, Jews also consider Christians as enemies because they did not really believe in Prophet Eisa (Jesus), they are the ones who accused Mary committing adultery (Zina) and Prophet Eisa (Jesus) was a child of zina (adultery), so a great miracle happened from Allah where Prophet Eisa spoke when he was a baby to refute what the Jews were saying and prove the innocence of his mother. WHY DO THEY WANT TO TAKE JERUSALEM WHERE MASJID AL-AQSA IS LOCATED? They believe that here is the very temple of Prophet Solaiman that was destroyed and replaced by masjeds, so this is what they want to restore from its original, but if you go back to history and the books you will not find any solid evidence about the temple that they claim. Rather, the Masjid Al-aqsa is the one that was built by Prophet Adam and rebuilt by Prophet Solaiman. And they have no right to it because they also disobeyed Prophet Solaiman as we mentioned.

[@NoVisionGuy]

Did the Pro-Palestinian AI just claim Palestinians as Canaanites? Let's be real, the overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" didn't come from the Levant, they came from the Arabian Peninsula and/or Egypt and speak Arabic.

[@justiceriser8970]

Well dna cormforms it they are not true arab but arab jews

[@Me-pt7ik]

Do you understand assimilation believe it or not French people didn't come from Italy even though they speak a dialect of Latin

[@NoVisionGuy]

@@Me-pt7ik apples and oranges, the French had their own established cultures, monarchies and empires, while Palestine is a region that is claimed to be an "identity" in the 20th century by some Arabs living in it.

[@Me-pt7ik]

@ not true at all French was just an identity manufactured by the house of Bourbon

[@qlintenFX]

@@Me-pt7ik Jews historically started in the land, Palestinians came later, developed their own identity over time, but did not originate in the levant.

[@hunkerdown8045]

It appears even the AI model is trying to make a connection from the Philistine and Palestinians. This would be false. Philistines were of Greek ancestry. Also, modern Palestinians are not all from that area, mostly from Egypt and other Arab lands.

[@ahmedayman1949]

not true, in latest studies on Palestinians DNA they were found to be the decedents of ancient Levantines the inhabitants of this land. They even have more ties to ancient jews compared to the modern jews due to the diaspora, however, Palestinians right to exist and to have their own sovereign state has been always neglected or given unfair solutions such as the one given in 1947 that gave 60% of the land to Jews who represented only 30% of the population and 40% of the land to Palestinians who represented 70% of the population. even in 2000, the right of return of Palestinians living in diaspora was neglected and the land offered to Palestinians was so fragmented and didn't have rich resources as the lands given to Israel which makes a future state nearly impossible.

[@potatomancer9473]

​@@ahmedayman1949no country can sustain the return of a number of people equivalent to 60% of its population, the right of return is practically unfeasible. An argument can be made about the UN partition plan favoring jews but there are 2 points to be made about this; 1. The vast majority of land offered to the jews was the negev desert, a desert wasteland that is to this day barely inhabited. 2. The arabs could have simply talked with the UN/try any other diplomatic measure to change the land allocation more to their favor, but as they did throughout those 40 years (1900-1940), they choose immediate, indiscriminate violence.

[@tomomihisaya]

This isn’t true? They are somewhat related. Also the relation wasn’t based on DNA but the idea that they had formed a sort of longstanding community that could be considered a state.

[@mrhazan6663]

@@ahmedayman1949 same dna of syrians has and lebanonese they are just arabs that imigrated to israel in the 19's centruy from the areas of areas of syria labnon jordan and eygpt, their family names proves it many cases. also there are a lot of places in the west bank that palastinians were jews that coverted to islam there many evedence to that including dna

[@alfonstabz9741]

@@ahmedayman1949 you lied about the partition. jordan was part of palestine and it was declared a separate state. why is that not a big deal is because they are muslims. had the jewish muslims this would not have been a big deal . this is all about religion all along. don't fancy me with those nationalistic democratic pretentious talking points.

[@Benjamin-vm8di]

As soon as the pro-Palestinian AI tried to claim a link between Palestinians and Philistines, it completely lost me.

[@KingForever-zu5jl]

"every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians." Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March 23, 2012

[@McfcLadsguvnors]

@@KingForever-zu5jlI’m half Egyptian and I’m not Arab …

[@sirkermitthefirstoffrogeth9622]

Fr, Phillistines are Greek. Palestinians are Arab. There is more of a chance that Phillistines integrated with Jews than vanishing.

[@yourlocalpredator9828]

​Us Iranians still call Palestine "فلسطین" which sounds "Phelestin" in English. ​@@sirkermitthefirstoffrogeth9622

[@88tallyn]

Interesting that the blue bot never brought up the fact that many Muslim's live inside of Israel with no issue, no Jews live inside of Hamas, or other Muslim controlled areas in the region without issue.

[@gabrielfine6296]

I'll just put it here - Yemen is a country with a population of ~30 million and about 10~ Jews. Not million or thousand, literally just 10. The country is run by the Houthi terror organization that has "Death to America and Israel and curse the Jews" written literally on their main Houthi flag. They hold mass protests in support of Hamas even though nobody there ever saw a Jew or an Israeli in their lives. This gives out Germany in the 30's.

[@aesop1451]

Lots of Mexicans live in America for job opportunities. Do you think Mexicans like learning English and listening to Drake and Rihanna?

[@SilverAgatka]

It stuck to strictly making pro-Israel arguments, like it should. It never brought up many points that are not crucial to legitimising Israel, but strongly delegitimise Palestinian claim - like Israeli Arabs having full rights and living peacefully with Jews, Palestinian refugees being violent to the point of starting civil wars in nations that tried to host them, or the fact that if Palestine was to replace Isreal Middle East would lose the only free democracy, and gain a radical islamist fascist state.

[@waludalu5102]

@@aesop1451 ironically Spanish is a major subject in the US and I know a couple of Latinos who like Drake and Rihanna hell even a Brazilian mob boss offered personal protection for Michael Jackson because he was a huge fan of him during his tour

[@aesop1451]

@@waludalu5102 Yeah, but if America annexed Mexico because of the cartels, and even if America made it safe and got rid of the cartels, a lot of Mexicans would be against annexation because they are proud of their culture.

[@monkeypie8701]

I don't understand why the pro-palesinian AI is claiming Palestinians to be the Caananites in the first 1/3rd of the debate? Jews, whether they like it or not, stemmed from the Caananites

[@ImHisShadow]

The PS: A.I. seems to just spew some general narrative with a few more fancy words and sophisticated word salad. Never really awnsering the counterclaim or reflecting on the things they said that contradicted itself or would equally advocate for the opposition.

[@LastingPeace-bs7ih]

"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe.

[@JunkYard-omarnour]

Cause the genetic studies of the modern palastinians show they half canaanits Maybe jews was a group of canaanits that rebelled against the rest but the biblical acounts adress them as foreign migrants

[@sneezyfido]

It's conceivable that a people who lived in the region a few thousand years ago would have descendants spread all over the various populations living in the region now.

[@Diffy_name]

Well that’s because the closest people to ancient Israelites are Palestinian and Jordanian Christians, and while, yes they are closely related to the Canaanites as well, the closest ethnic group to the Ancient Canaanites is the Samaritans.

[@chrisskywalker6079]

Pro palestine AI gives arguments while Pro Israel AI gives both arguments and historical proves.

[@RacerXfactor00]

Bottom line is that the world has 49 Muslim majority countries, so the most discriminated group in human history deserves 1 tiny country the size of New Jersey to call home and avoid the patterns of discrimination they’ve faced over thousands of years.

[@superpingu2593]

bottom line is both deserve to live there. Your arguement suggests we remove all English people since the Britons deserve their own homeland and there's a bunch of other Germanic countries the English can go to

[@AmirSatt]

As a muslim, I agree, but then j's have to acknowledge that they stole this land and homes from palestinians and pay reparations

[@Anas-12236]

They still shouldnt be settling in foreign land

[@TheGreatBlob24]

@Anas-12236it is their homeland, it is not foreign

[@JunkYard-omarnour]

That's a form of tribalism

[@sketos_d]

The problem with the conflict today is that while Israel DOES accept the solution of sharing the land HAMAS does not

[@shalev3368]

it's not only hamas

[@sketos_d]

@shalev3368 True. Most Arabs and muslims in general want Israel as a whole destroyed. They openly say so

[@XiaoYueMao]

Israel has initiated hostilities multiple times in history, including pushing settlers further past the UN agreed upon borders which is an aggressive act. HAMAs are terrorists but stop acting like israel hasnt done its share of aggression

[@Itamartsi]

No Palestinian body has actually ever accepted the solution of sharing land, which is why Palestinian leadership always said no to any such solution

[@ballsmasher3000]

Your comments shows being western doesn’t really mean you have more knowledge

[@matan27d]

Thank you for another amazing video. As an Israeli, I believe the ancient and medieval histories of Jews and Arabs are irrelevant. I hold no grudge for medieval Muslims holding my ancestors as Dimmni. At the end of the day, the UN. was faced with a taugh decision in 1947, and they decided that Arab nationalism should coexist alongside Jewish nationalism, to protect the Jewish survivors of persecutions and the holocaust. That is why my grandparents came here and why I was born here. If any Palestinian wishes to have two states sharing this land peacefully - I am all for it. But seeing reality ( I highly recommend Corey Gil Shuster's KZbin videos), I am under the impression they don't want peaceful coexistence, so we hold our ground.

[@michaeljones2162]

Sadly true.. They don't want a two state solution, they want to exterminate the Jews. It's in their religious texts. “Allah’s Messenger said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’” (Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177; see also Sahih Bukhari 4:52:176; Sahih Muslim 41:6985)

[@IdanBitan-Zenkovich]

Summed up pretty damn well

[@reesonnz8467]

Well said. Israelis(arabs +jews) and Israel are not going anywhere. Israel is willing for compromise but the Palestinians scream for intifada whilst also crying victim.

[@WouterHendrickx79]

We hold our ground, lol

[@kameliyaoppal]

So you want Palestinians to just give in and let people like u take their land? I really don't get this logic. If Palestinians woulda been against Jews living in Palestine then they wouldn't have been living there peacefully prior to Zionism/Israelism. Make it make sense. You are creating a scenario so it could benefit your goal but ppl ain't blind.

[@GeniusInventor-dj5zc]

Pretty sure Jews stemmed from the Canaanite’s and not Palestinians.

[@LastingPeace-bs7ih]

"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe.

[@RMCbreezy]

​@@LastingPeace-bs7ihthat means nothing to the historical and genetic inaccuracy he pointed out

[@MessengerOfTheMessage]

No? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the Jews came from Egypt not Canaan and Canaan is literally a Levantine Tribe, just like Palestinians surprise surprise

[@GeniusInventor-dj5zc]

⁠@@MessengerOfTheMessagein the first part of the debate the Palestine AI said the Canaanite’s were Palestinian and not Jew. Most of the pre diasporic Jewish population was Canaanite. Arabs can’t have more pre Israeli Levantine ancestry than Jews themselves because they come from Arabia.

[@GeniusInventor-dj5zc]

@@LastingPeace-bs7ih Try and make some sense

[@donlalo2002]

"This Land is Mine!" said the Neanderthals, Natufians, Canaanites, Ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Israelites, Babylonians/Persian Empire, Greeks/Macedonians, Ptolemaic Egyptians, Seleucid Empire, Hebrews, and Maccabees, Romans, Mu'mins, Byzantines/Sassanids, Arab Caliphs, Crusaders, Mamluk Egyptians, Ottoman Turks, Arabs, Europeans, Palestinians, and Jews/Zionists.

[@polokucoch8112]

Here is the difference : Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”

[@josephhans2825]

STOP confusing ETHNICITY like Europeans with RELIGION like JUDAISM. Eg., ETHNIC Europeans of ISRAEL can't claim AFRICAN or ARABIAN land of PALESTINE based on their RELIGIOUS beliefs. Based on that logic every Zorastrian or IDOL WORSHIPPERS can claim every country regardless of their ETHNICITY. PALESTINE belongs to ARABIAN JEWS, CHRISTIANS , MOSLEMS. European Jews belong in EUROPE.

[@nigelnecroz7028]

That video still slaps

[@omegarealmsbans1914]

Don't forget the Angel of Death

[@kennethkho7165]

​@@nigelnecroz7028Which video is the reference?

[@ericm6054]

This is a rare and wonderful debate. Each side kept to time, didn’t interrupt, shout slogans, make emotive inflammatory comments, and presented researched facts. This is so rare in this conflict.

[@miguelheat]

It is rare in debates in general

[@monkeypie8701]

No crusader AI?

[@KINGANIMEREVIEW]

Us Christians have the best claims to the land. Really it’s Jews/Christian lands. The Muhammadan need to go back to Arabia.

[@yournightmare7197]

LMAO

[@Christ-my-king]

DEUS VULT

[@martiendejong8857]

its not hard to make one. just train it on 4chan

[@al.ushrabi]

The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHTRZ6lujZV4mM0si=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj

[@dogperson432]

Damn They can't even find an AI that can give a decent argument for Palestine 😅

[@PotatosAreTheMostVersitleFood]

Considering most Jewish folks living in Israel hate the Israeli government and want peace, I would say ceasefire.

[@oaktutor1154]

Very biased. It’s obvious what atrocities are occurring in Palestine, but perhaps the actual sources these AI’s get their information from is heavily restricted

[@JunkYard-omarnour]

I think this one was good enough But it doesn't refute a jewish claim ‏‪ You can't favour one over the other without being double standard

[@lesblase3667]

I know right 🤣 because History & Archaeology are against the false narrative of the colonising, Islamic umah. In their dreams the Land of the Jews belong to them lol they keep making foo’s of themselves trying to justify lies. Jews aren’t innocent either in this conflict but one thing is true. The Land belongs to them. Can’t argue with the truth

[@alansokelisatruehero8520]

@@oaktutor1154 or when someone realizes Al Jazeera and Hamas are both under the Muslim Brotherhood umbrella organization and aren't giving you anything remotely truthful and just Hamas propaganda they sometimes realize they been fooled by some of the most unsophisticated people and propaganda on earth.

[@arrogant_little_punk9701]

The region was originally called Philistine after renaming Judea and its inhabitants were Jews and Christians. However, with the Islamic invasion, millions of Jews and Christians were displaced from their holy land as part of a campaign for world domination. This raises the question: If the original inhabitants of Palestine were Jews and Christians, who are the people now claiming to be Palestinians? The answer is Muslims. The land belongs to Israel and always have.

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

the real answer is land belongs to whoever can defend their claim to it. right now thats isreal so its isreals land. their is no such thing as rightfull ownership of land that has been passed around a thousand times for a thousand years.

[@NoVisionGuy]

Agreed, if Arabs can claim all of North Africa and some parts of the Middle East, why can't Israel claim it when they're already controlling it and defended that land since 1948?

[@Syfile97.w]

I do t agree ( I'm neutral btw ) if isreal can just take then turkey can also take Constantinople and parts of Armenia the land belongs to the first

[@ang5798]

Then leave Ukraine alone I guess

[@YossiFux]

​@ang5798 why? We are allowed to help our friends. But..... if Russia wins then it will be Russia until someone else takes it over (again) and remakes it to whatever they feel like and if they want to call it Ukraine they will

[@Binbobin]

I disagree, by that argument the eastern part of ukrane in a sovereign part of russia

[@bingbong3643]

Actually, according to the Canaanite origin theory, the Hebrews emerged from the broader Canaanite culture during the Late Bronze Age, sharing cultural similarities before forming their own distinct identity and monotheistic religion. This shows that Palestinians are not Canaanites, as their ancestry is a mix of different populations, including Arabs who arrived during the 7th-century Islamic conquests. While Palestinians, like other people from the Levant, may carry some Canaanite genetic admixture, they do not have a direct cultural or ethnic connection to the ancient Canaanites. The Canaanites as a distinct group no longer exist, having been absorbed by various civilizations over thousands of years. In contrast, modern Jews have a direct ancestral lineage to the ancient Israelites.

[@abd_md]

Are you saying that the Palestinians who themselves have a substantial amount of jewish blood in them, are less entitled to the land than the jews from europe? Do you think the jews that come from europe and even the rest of the middle east are pure ancient hebrew or something? They are mixed if not more mixed.

[@SleepyBoi-b5q]

@@bingbong3643 Israelis (except Mitzrahi) all derive from European. There genetics are to distinct to be considered as Caanites or ancient Israelites. For example I’m Lebanese. But my genetics are to far to call me a Phoenician even though I am the descendent of them.

[@bingbong3643]

@@abd_md You’re contradicting the pro-Pali argument in this video by claiming that Palestinians are partially of Jewish descent while simultaneously asserting that they are pure descendants of the Canaanites. These two assertions are inconsistent and mutually exclusive. Yes, genetic studies do show overlaps between Jews, Arabs, and ancient Levantine populations, but these findings do not confirm that Palestinians are direct descendants of Canaanites or Israelites. Instead, these studies highlight a shared ancient ancestry, not exclusive lineage. On the other hand, Modern Jewish populations, despite diaspora dispersal, maintain distinct genetic markers (e.g., Y-chromosomal haplogroups like J1 and J2) closely tied to ancient Israelites, which is more direct evidence of continuous identity.

[@bingbong3643]

@@SleepyBoi-b5q This isn’t accurate. Genetic studies show that Jewish populations, including Ashkenazi Jews, maintain significant Levantine ancestry, tracing back to the ancient Israelites and broader Levantine populations, including the Canaanites. Despite centuries of dispersion, these Jewish communities retain distinct genetic markers linked to the Levant. While Ashkenazi Jews have intermixed with European populations over time, the genetic impact is not so extensive as to erase their Levantine roots. As the studies show about 50% of the Ashkenazi Jewish genome can be traced to the Levant, with the remainder coming from European populations. As for your example, it actually works in my favor. Genetic markers specific to the Levant, including those from the Phoenicians, can still be traced in modern Lebanese populations. This is similar to how Jewish populations maintain genetic ties to the Levant despite centuries of migration and mixing. The idea that you cannot call yourself a descendant of the Phoenicians because of more recent intermingling doesn’t negate this. Moreover, there’s no such thing as an “ancient Palestinian.” Palestinians today are primarily just Arabs, and their ethno-genesis occurred in the Arabian Peninsula, not in the land of Canaan like the Israelites or Phoenicians. The historical identity of the “Palestinian" as it is understood today is a modern construct, shaped by the sociopolitical context of the 20th century, rather than a continuation of a specific ancient lineage like the Israelites or Phoenicians. Get it?

[@SleepyBoi-b5q]

@ Firstly I would like to congratulate you for being one of the most knowledgeable Israeli debaters I have ever met. Most of the people I discuss always have the same argument with the same mindset and are always very arrogant. The Palestinians derived from the ancient Caanite genetics and the Arab gene coming to them in circa 630-640 via the Rashidun caliphate. Keep in mind that some Israelites had stayed there despite the eons of none Israeli rule. Most of these people have changed their religion and stayed there whereas only a handful of Jews in the region actually retained their religion.

[@WestDawk3620]

The pro Israel AI missed a huge opportunity to call out the Palestinian AI for contradicting themselves.

[@Bengallyons]

Obviously if you do your history you will know Palestine is, was and always will be Jewish land. The Jews lived in modern day Palestine for thousands of years before the Arab invaders annexed it. Before that, Israel was apart of the Roman Empire and when they tried rebelling against the empire they were expelled from their land and forced to migrate to different places. As for the name Palestine, it is derived from the name Philistine which was a hostile group of people who migrated to Israel and their name literally means hostile. Then about 600 years later the Arabs took Palestine and settled it. Arabs never lived in Israel (at least not in great multitudes) until Muhammad colonised the Christian Middle East and subjugated any remaining Jews and Christians who wouldn't convert or didn't become slaves. The Palestinians are on stolen land. The "we were promised that land 3000 years ago" argument doesn't work when the Jews were living there already.

[@ahmedsultan4939]

The first people to inhabit that land were the Canaanites, the ancestors of the Arabs of the Levant, including the current Palestinians, and they have been living in that land for 5,500 years. While the Zionists, many of them are of Ashkenazi Jewish origin who lived near Turkey (and they are non-Semitic), including Safadai Jews and African Jews, all of whom have no historical connection to that land. Even the Prophet Jacob was originally from Babylon, present-day Iraq, and had no connection to the land of Canaan, except that he immigrated there and died there, and did not even rule it. Have you not read the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which stipulated that Palestine be made a land for the Jews after the Europeans gave the Jews a choice between five lands (Argentina, Uganda, Madagascar, a state in Russia, and Palestine), and the religious Jews knew that the Zionist movement was against the Jewish religion, which stipulated that it should not be for the Jews? A country, but the founders of the Zionist movement were able to convince the majority of world Jews that Palestine is the promised land for them, and they played on the religious method to convince European Jews to settle in Palestine

[@Bengallyons]

@ oh so when Zionist say “the Jews had that land thousands of years ago” you say we can’t use that as an excuse, but somehow the distant cousins of the Arabs who lived there somehow means that it’s Palestinian even though they lived there thousands of years ago? The hypocrisy is wild

[@BenTheKidd]

@@ahmedsultan4939you re o terribly misinformed. Please back up your claims because the Balfour declaration was designed to be the largest act of DE-colonization ever for its time. Returning the Jews to their ancestral homeland. Which does not go against the Jewish religion at all. Also please state your sources that Palestinians are in any way tied to Canaanite tribes. The only ones you’ll find are forced Jewish converts. Not the Arab colonizers from Jordan Egypt and surrounding Arab countries

[@mostafaibrahim2573]

What is the relation between netenyaho who came from poland to the land of palestine ?

[@Bengallyons]

@ what does that have to do with anything?

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

israel, saved you the time

[@SixOneNiner23]

I think the land belongs to the Jews too but they really could do this a better way.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@SixOneNiner23 feel free to suggest

[@SixOneNiner23]

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec no need to suggest but it’s just my feeling, I’m not the decider. The antisemitism and blowback it causes will serve its purpose and be used to forward an agenda anyway.

[@SixOneNiner23]

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec won’t make a difference so I won’t waste my time. Cheers

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

@@SixOneNiner23 only if you choose.

[@yairklein1]

At 16:00 the Palestinian AI debater LITERALLY justifies modern Israel's hold of the land.

[@MoscowMapper2009]

EVEN the AI agrees with Israel by vast majority

[@sajabaloch1035]

AI was established by the united states, the country is run by AIPAC how the hell would your expect it to be otherwise 🙈

[@squidjaboy9350]

The AI's arguement had nothing to do with who made them, they both used their most compelling arguements, and the Palestinian's just wasn't compelling at all.​@@sajabaloch1035

[@cameo777]

It depends on your bias and what you want to hear.

[@GPBKM]

@@cameo777 , No. It simply depends on the facts in reality. That debate clearly shows the Israeli side has way more historic ground. They simply been there longer and every single archaeological site in that land is an evidence that proves it.

[@bluemist3115]

​@@sajabaloch1035 ai are sampling from every source. check yourself open a history book. Palestinine was just a place called by the Romans. palesinina Syria. smh

[@ohwinvt]

You know theres a lot of bias involved when an AI can't make a good argument.

[@Offical_Axew1n]

Yeah so is very biased to Jewish people

[@lildrill]

What

[@martiendejong8857]

@@lildrill You know theres a lot of bias involved when an AI can't make a good argument.

[@Offical_Axew1n]

@@martiendejong8857 real

[@al.ushrabi]

The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHTRZ6lujZV4mM0si=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj

[@wheeltrouble]

I'll side with the group not using gays to test gravity.

[@mattboyer3385]

If Isreal actually cared about that they'd let Gaza join the Mandate of Palstine where homosexualty is legal.

[@waludalu5102]

@@mattboyer3385 Gaza is part of Palestine the problem is Palestine has two governments and they're at each other's throats look up Fatah-Hamas conflicts Thats also the reason why they're not a member of the UN. It's not because of Israeli or US meddling with it. It's literally because the two governments of Palestine cannot decide which one is the real "Palestine"

[@mattboyer3385]

@waludalu5102 that's completely wrong Isreal funded Hamas for the purposes of dividing them, and Isreal keeps them from being one autonomous area

[@waludalu5102]

@@mattboyer3385 let me get this straight Israel is funding Hamas to keep attacking them at the same time Hamas gets weapons from Iran Don't forget Gazans democratically voted for Hamas to lead them in the early 2000s are you that delusional or something?

[@HiddenPowerIce]

​@@mattboyer3385 Gaza is against the PLO and Fatah. They butchered them in 2008 (smth like that, could be a little before) when they took control over Gaza

[@KalebTyler377]

*36min video of ai politely debating Israel vs Palestine* Comments: "bs, here's my opinion, which is correct..."

[@ballsmasher3000]

And comments are all pro Israel

[@TheWaffleMan69]

@@KalebTyler377 Real all those Palestine fact deniers here

[@user-ko7gk7wp5x]

30:10 SO YOU ADMIT IT! Seriously though this debate was over when the Palestinian AI claimed the land with blood ties despite the fact Israel set up the first kingdom and more importantly would have the same ancestral claim from blood, just to a more minute degree due to Jewish tragedies (aka holocaust)

[@user-ci4hi2ui2k]

If we use ancestry of 3000 years ago all europeans should be deported to eastern ukraine

[@dielol8172]

The Israel AI didn’t even respond to the counter point that Hamas does not represent all Palestinian voices… and a concede that Hamas causes harm does not diminish the credence of Palestine AI’s arguments, anyone would be delusional to think that they are 100% correct with no room for nuance.

[@aesop1451]

The Bible itself says Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Even if you think the connection between Ishmael and the Arabic people was "made up" by Muslims, you can't deny that Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages. One of the most revered scholars of Judaism, Moses Maimonides, lived in Muslim Spain (Al-Andalus). The Bible tells us Abraham was a nomadic shepherd. Sounds like a Bedouin. If Father Abraham met a random Bedouin and a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn, who would he recognize as his descendant? Let's give Abraham some mansaf and some matzah ball soup and see if he is more familiar with Arabic food or Eastern European food.

[@sageoldbuck3882]

@aesop1451 idk man but stop with this shit.

[@peeledrat3568]

Who admits what it’s a robot

[@Bambow00]

I’m confused why is Israel and Palestine a big deal? Why don’t people say anything about native Americans and America ? Isn’t it the same thing? Free the native americas ? Idk people pick and choose what to cry about I guess.

[@georgemioch8981]

😂😂😂😂😂 Whoever taught you history and logical reasoning: go ask them for your money back

[@Bambow00]

@ I just told you I’m confused mf, instead of insulting how about educating

[@harrisonmauldin5090]

Tbf natives conquered each other all the time, and we just did it to them

[@Bambow00]

@@harrisonmauldin5090 I just wanna know the difference between that and Palestine & Israel

[@Bambow00]

@@harrisonmauldin5090 why is that such a big political issue

[@jarodcoolcatkoa405]

another video idea : capitalism vs communism vs socialism, which one is more sustainable ?

[@monkeypie8701]

Add Anarchism too

[@Orangejuiceandsandwich]

Every country that has tried socialism has failed MISERABLY! Right now, capitalism is the only one that has stood the test of time and is, therefore the most sustainable in my opinion.

[@thomaslillibridge6103]

Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for every other economic system ever devised. I take slight exception with the term capitalism, however, because I believe it is too closely associated with that dead beat asshole Marx's debunked theories. I prefer the term free enterprise, and feel it is more accurate.

[@Spitefullamb]

@@Orangejuiceandsandwichname a socialist country that has "failed" because of socialist policy and not because of extreme sanctioning and unrelated political unrest. The most developed nations on earth have socialist policies mixed in a capitalist market. The answer isnt one or the other entirely

[@monkeypie8701]

@Orangejuiceandsandwich I'm not a commie but the USSR was the 2nd largest economy, greatly improving Russia's standards of living compared to before it, and Cuba was also pretty good until the collapse of the USSR, who's to say socialism is what caused the collapse. I am generally a capitalist, but a lot of good things come from not being hyper capitalist such as unions, weekends, 8 or 9 hour work days, holidays, no slavery, welfare systems and other efforts to help the lower and middle class

[@AAA-w3m4s]

As a citizen of Israel, I do not care much about who is more persuasive or less. Arabs and Jews in this land are equal and need to have the same rights.

[@jerameelcorporan9974]

This gave me some insight i haven’t thought about, need more videos like this!

[@cypher_7172]

Whoever has control of it. That's how it's always been.

[@mr.y981]

Agree. Might is right... Honestly, the idea of a UN is stupid. The stronger countries should have the right to invade weaker ones This is why Europe should just cease Ukraine to Russia

[@cypher_7172]

@mr.y981 Fair enough, but being in the wrong doesn't make it any less true. Israel has its own military, borders, law, and population. It's a country, and it's their land as of right now.

[@linkplays2952]

@@mr.y981 I mean at the same time countries have the right to treaties of poison

[@TYsdrawkcaB]

@@mr.y981 so if we had lost to the nazis after all you would think that was fine because they won

[@mr.y981]

@@TYsdrawkcaB exactly

[@noobsaibot5285]

Pro "palestinian" AI argues against itself. Claiming oppression and occupation grants a legitimate right to the land AFTER first arguing for native rights based on the entirely unrelated philistines and canaanites who were wiped out 1000yrs before islamic conquest. This was confirmed during greek rule, hundreds of years before Christ. The idea of the current arabs claimimg to represent these extinct people groups is laughable. The philistines were not arab. They came from greek isles. There has never been a palestinian people group apart from maybe the jews, but we all know that jews would not accept a name given to them by their enemies or colonnial occupiers.

[@julianrde1544]

The nation who deserves the land is the one who can use their power to maintain sovereignty over the other.

[@isaacmcauley6616]

history is written by the victors

[@AndreyKrichevsky]

That's what i say too. The notion of "land ownership" is not a natural occurrence. It's a made up concept. The person who owns the land is the person that can convince everyone else that they own the land, through violence, diplomacy, or commerce.

[@ChinonsoNnadozie]

How do you determine someone deserves the land?

[@BScott-tq6di]

Israel has to take money from USA and steal our uranium to make illegal nuclear bombs in order to “maintain power” they never really had. Which is why they lost their temple, their land, and got kicked out of every other place. The only power they have is manipulation typically through money lending.

[@carloslara2212]

If Israel wins, they keep the land, if Palestine wins, they get the land, so far isreal is gonna get the land, simple

[@KingForever-zu5jl]

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946. "Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956) In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.” "We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008) "Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976]

[@sheratzy]

Not even an AI can keep its argument straight when being fed with the inconsistencies of Palestinian propaganda.

[@Cheeriot]

My truth is your propaganda, and your truth is my propaganda.

[@Kletian999]

30:20 most Palestinian are moderates? Why do they elect Hamas as government then? Also the Nakba was them losing a war they started. Had they acquiesced to original international agreement, bolstered by right of victory in WW2, they'd be far better off.

[@benjaminbialek476]

I didn't know a lot of the detail of the Israeli side including the fact that all land prior to any war that the Jews bought.

[@sejozwak]

Not true lol, they "purchased" land by pressuring and threatening people into selling it, that's not purchasing

[@zxcvx-m1q]

@@sejozwak ?

[@saskiascott8181]

@@benjaminbialek476 most people don't care to mention it because they want to make Israel look bad. Really it was the middle eastern version of when people in western countries complain about immigrants stealing their jobs - fear of some other weird people with their weird foreign ways coming here and changing our way of life. Even though their "weird foreign" ways, in this case, were Judaism, which developed in the actual region they were immigrating to.

[@מתןברכיה]

As an Israeli, the discussion is very simple. The Jewish people have a connection to their land in the Land of Israel much more than the Palestinians. Because they are not ready to compromise and live in coexistence with us (murderous attacks, intifadas, etc.) we are forced to defend ourselves. It should be understood that Palestinian terrorism began long before the establishment of the State of Israel and before the Six Day War in which Israel captured from Jordan the parts that the world says should be a Palestinian state today. The only ones to blame for the situation of the Palestinians are those who are never ready to sign agreements with Israel

[@ELIMAKESSTUFF]

now this is already gonna be controversial af LOL

[@aesop1451]

King Edward I kicked out the 🧃from England in 1290. They didn't come back until 1656 thanks to Oliver Cromwell. Shortly after England becomes a world power. British imperialism, unlike ancient imperialism, used joint-stock companies like the East India Company and the Royal African Company to do its work. Who does that benefit? And who's name is on the Balfour Declaration? Lord R0ths.child! So basically the British Empire and the United States were used as host bodies for endoparasites to achieve their plans.

[@captainfury497]

What most people don't understand is that it doesn't matter whose rightful land it is and who has a better claim. At the end of the day Israel holds it by military might (ie Right of Conquest) which all those who came before them used including Arabs. So unless they can be militarily defeated, all these debates are useless. But defeating them is really unrealistic since they even have nukes now. So at the end of the day a diplomatic two state solution remains the only realistic one.

[@ryderwilson7955]

With that logic, considering Palestine rejects defeat, they should all be exiled from the West Bank and Gaza strip, considering their objection to peace talks and a want to compromise on the right of return

[@Me-pt7ik]

A two state solution is unrealistic. There is going to be a one state solution after Israel gets rid of all the Christians and muslims

[@AndreyKrichevsky]

The only problem with a two state solution is that it's not a solution. It's the problem. It's what the Palestinians are fighting against. Many people see the two states concept as a compromise between the two sides, but it's actually a victory for Israel and a defeat for the Palestinians... Because Israel's main objective is to exist, and Palestine's main objective of to have all of Palestine under Arab Muslim rule.

[@jazzoryazz]

At the end of the day, having Jews in the region is not the issue at all. It’s that they’re backed by imperial powers who want to control more resources globally, and they don’t care that the Jewish population are the ones getting their hands dirty. I wish it could just be like the Vatican where it’s non-military and shared between Palestinians, 1948 refugees, and Jewish people, and that could lead to a natural co existence with Jews and Arabs.

[@aesop1451]

What happens tomorrow if America pulls out of the Middle East cold turkey and provides 0 funding for this country? If they really hold it "through military might" why does Bibi keep giving speeches at our Congress? Why do we allow AIPAC to operate with impunity?

[@pochu9506]

Who has historical claim over the land is MOOT. What matters is millions live in the land and they have to peacefully coexist. One group, on numerous occasion in the past, has offered to split and share the land, but the other group, on numerous occasions, rejected the offer and insists its views to exterminate the former. I say historical claim is moot because displacing millions of people just to uphold the claim is neither practical, realistic, nor beneficial to anybody. And if historical claim is an enforceable right to evict an established nation, then the USA will have to leave the contiguous USA and give back the land to native americans.

[@julianduplessis3334]

Amen

[@cxa011500]

I haven't watched the whole video yet, but from the first part, I feel like they are missing an important question of whether "ancestral" claims means that people living now have any "right" to live on a certain piece of land.

[@AndrewBrownK]

agreed

[@init_yeah]

Yes, in that case, america is gonna be for all the natives but of course, we know how that will go.

[@jaekamei]

If you want to go by law or warfare it's still Israel's right. The land was partitioned, they accepted it and a war was waged against them which they faught off.

[@gryphonschnitzel7140]

Yes​@@jaekamei

[@victorien3704]

@@jaekamei Land was partitioned by an uninvolved party with no negotiations from the palestinian side.

[@msElboim]

I'm addicted. Out of all the jobs AI was going to replace, I didn't have debaters on my bingo card.

[@SixOneNiner23]

AI badjacketed me and was used to destroy my life so I’m not a fan

[@gidonricardo8629]

None of the AIs addressed the proof of the travelers and the explorers who described the land as desolated, empty, dead and barren with very little population.

[@night2957]

One of them literally mentioned Mark Twain describing the land as desolate and empty

[@gidonricardo8629]

@@night2957 I guess I missed that. However there are many explorers who gave the same description.

[@johnong2655]

That is not how Palestinians argue. They'll surely claim lineage back to Abraham when Abraham himself was a Jew.

[@L99BAN]

You do realise it's entirely genetically possible to be Palestinian and descend from Jews? In fact, it's factual

[@avnigoyal8565]

​@@L99BAN Jews who never converted and remained as 2nd class citizens in Islamic regime have claims to that land .

[@DudeWithADrone]

TLDR One huge mistake that was made was the title of the debate because there was no unique Palestinian identity until the creation of the PLO in 1964. During the mandate period when the British ruled the only people who considered themselves Palestinians (loosely speaking) were the Jews. Hence the Palestine Post (a Jewish newspaper - now called the Jerusalem Post). Not all of the Jews considered themselves Palestinian though as it was always considered the land of Israel to a religious Jew (which is why on the mandate coins the Hebrew letters ( אי) Aleph Yod which were the initials for Erez Yisrael or the Land of Israel appeared. The Arabs considered the mandated territory to be the southern part of Bilad al-Sham (Greater Syria). So really if we re-phrased this to Jews Vs Arabs: Who's Land? It would have made more sense.

[@Sam-m6o3j]

The people with the bigger stick or smarter strategy. No debate required.

[@ExponentMars]

that's probably the only realistic way of settling it lol

[@nickolas6614]

post your address and see how that plays out, then come back and tell us if you stand by that policy lol

[@josephhans2825]

That means means anyone with a bigger stick can kick you out of house and claim it as theirs . Welcome to the JUNGLE RULE.

[@revelacol2149]

@nickolas I doubt anyone here has a bigger stick than the government

[@polokucoch8112]

This is NOT about people with a bigger stick. This is about AI giving us answers through history and world knowledge. It has nothing to do with who is occupying now. Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”

[@Highlander_Red]

This is why as a Filipino, to which my motherland of the Philippines has close relations not only to Israel but the majority of the arab world like Saudi Arabia. Support my country's policy on the matter, by advocating for a two state policy. We were one of the first to advocate for such an idea, and we won't back down on it. As outsiders and Christians we recognise the complexities of the situation just enough, so as to not be swayed by religious, political, and ethnic bias.

[@polokucoch8112]

Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”

[@Hyanso]

Actually fun fact, the Philippine general that was to vote on the matter opposed the 2 state solution and a partition of "Palestine" but after a threat was made to the philipines by the US the vote was changed against his will. history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1947v05/d910 basically zionists threatened the Philippines to change their vote

[@KINGANIMEREVIEW]

You must not know what “Sharia” is. It’s an anti-Christian law which has suppression of Christianity built into it & it’s the basis for what you call Palestine & most of the Middle East. So no they (The Arabs) need to be deported to the other 20 somethings Arab states, their rule is a disgrace to the holy land. Only 2 state solution I support there would be the division of the land between Christians (The Real Jews) & those who consider themselves Jews today. The Arab Christians can stay the rest of the Arabs got to go.

[@ryderwilson7955]

So did Israel support a two state policy, the problem is, you can't really force a peace on the Palestinians, they're not interested in it. They will never give up on the right of return into proper Israel as Israeli citizens, causing a massive demographic shift, making Jews a minority in their own state, a minority to a predatory majority who will seek "revenge" on them, possibly exiling all of the Jews through democratic and majority rule means. Because of that, it's hypocritical to judge and blame Israel for the lack of peace, while Palestinians continuously showed unwillingness to compromise and peace where both Jews and Palestinians live alongside each other.

[@KronoKing]

Here’s the thing tho. The Palestinians have never come to the table with their own proposal. Other than we want it all and you get nothing, which is a non starter. They never once counter offered any of the numerous Israeli proposals. Matter of fact when Arafat rejected the last offer he launched the second intafada killing scores of innocent Israeli civilians-which disincentivized Israel from further offers of statehood. Every offer has been rejected and met with violence. Which is why I believe this isn’t about land or statehood. It’s a religious war. Where was Palestinian “resistance” when Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years? Or when Jordan occupied the West Bank for the same amount of time? You know why there wasn’t “resistance”? Because Egypt and Jordan are Muslim countries. If Israel were a muslim country there wouldn’t be a conflict. If it was about self determination and statehood they would’ve at least counter offered, but they didn’t. They just went right to violence. And it’s because Islam Hates Jews and us infidels, that’s the hard truth.

[@FrozenMonkeyzz]

I mean with a book from 17th century already has a map with Juda on it not Palestine,the Jews were always there

[@FIGHTINGtheLIES]

A couple of facts that never get mentioned are firstly the "Nakba", what the arabs referred to as the nakba at the time was the catastrophe of them losing the 1948 war even though there were 5 nations against tiny Israel, the 700,000 arabs that were living there weren't ethnically cleansed like you are lead to believe, they were told to move by the arab nations that attacked, they were also told they will be back in their homes in 2 weeks when Israel was destroyed, well they lost that war and every war they have subsequently started. Secondly there were approximately 850,000 Jews that WERE ethnically cleansed from the surrounding arab nations with nothing more than they could carry and the clothes on their backs during the 1930/40's that made up most of the early population of Israel.

[@Net2to]

The Jews Got exiled from their land because of imperialism when the Jews regained the right to return home marks the end of imperialism as we would see for the next 50 or so years countries occupied by imperialists and Colonialists would start to withdraw from these territories, at least some of them. Obviously not the larger countries such as Australia, United States, Canada and big parts of the middle and South America.

[@uriahavnon]

The bottom line is that there is no real ‘Palestinian’ identity while there is a very distinct Jewish Israeli identity. That is the only reason why the 2 state solution wasn’t implemented so far, and will never be implemented in the future. It will be now and forever Israel.

[@j-manmarkus7591]

Obviously, the land belongs to Israel, both historically, religiously, and by international law! If you believe otherwise, name me one ancient paliestinian ruler before Yasser Arafat the Egyptian in 1964? 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[@aventus3491]

Allah gave the land to the jews.

[@jgalt5002]

The lands was Jewish before allah even existed

[@lihikern]

No matter how good or accurate the Pro Palestine AI will get, When fighting for lies you always lose.

[@danielwerthiemer4748]

They are debating facts…

[@lihikern]

@@danielwerthiemer4748 There are no facts on the Palestinian side. Only opinions and misinformation.

[@jedediahjehoshaphat]

Actually, this is a good productive debate, learned alot 💪

[@holdenchute7883]

Wow, this is what every human debate should be like. Definitely subscribing

[@expensivepink7]

I know the video will make me feel sane and the comments will make me want to scream also LOVE your content thank you pls keep doing these sorts of topics

[@d1watt]

How do people support hamas I don’t get it

[@yerdasellsavon9232]

much the same reason native americans supported tecumseh, the natives wanted their land back.

[@KidBrooklyn]

​@@yerdasellsavon9232 The Isrealites / Jews / Israelis ARE the natives in Judea / Israel!!!! Get it straight

[@FutureofGoodnessKindness]

@@yerdasellsavon9232 In the Middle East you have lands with many competing ethnic roots unlike America, we're only the natives have roots.

[@majina.m8112]

Welcome to the club, a day a go a greek kid said he supports hamas because israel is stronger, logic goes boom

[@martinbilis8875]

Anti-Semitism

[@FullMetalAtheist]

Even the AI ends up knowing what's correct in the end. 10-5.

[@SalikBhat-m9q]

😂😂 based upon fake data!!! Israel never wants to establish peace but here AI gets its data from those fake calls made by Israel😂

[@Smokrylio]

We need a pizza debate

[@MessengerOfTheMessage]

What’s better? BBQ. Pepperoni Mushroom Alfredo Pineapple And Chicken

[@lollllolll.]

​@@MessengerOfTheMessage dunno man, more of the pineapple guy here

[@RayNeumann-nh9zf]

36:15 It's amazing that when the pro Palestinian talk about that people can not be displaced from the land that is exactly what the Romans did to the jews of Isreal. No matter how you turn it around this is a Jewish home land. The Palestinians don't want a state they just don't want jews. How many jews live in Gaza? 0 west bank in Palestinians control? 0 how many Arabs are living in Isreal? 2 million. Period!

[@yerdasellsavon9232]

"how many whites live in Bophuthatswana" the lack of the dominant ethnic group in a bantustan means nothing

[@Nooneself]

GREETINGS .How did you rule out BIASED outcomes inherent in all AI systems? Nothing in the science based literature indicates we've overcome this insidious issue. Best wishes

[@orvovosk]

im at 3:04 and the crucial point they are missing that the early population that palestinian side refers to were fought with by islamist. How can you support your claims to the land by referring to cultures you have destroyed with islam?

[@stephbecz6682]

All the pro Palestinians will skip this video cause they probably can’t understand 😂

[@EixaDreamers]

THE TRUE STORY regarding PALESTINE -Palestine is the land of the Prophets. -Jews have no rights in Palestine -Palestine is for Palestinians -Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine -There is no country of Israel Some of the Prophets who lived in Palestine are: Ibrahim (Abraham) Lot Ishmael Ishaq (Isaac) Ya'qoob (Jacob) Yusuf (Joseph) Daud (David) Solaiman (Solomon) Zakariyyah (Zachariah) Yahya (John) {May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon them) Ibrahim(Abraham) has two sons: 1. Ismael 2. Isaac Isaac's son was Jacob(Ya'qoob) where most of the Prophets came from his lineage such as Yusuf(Joseph),Daud(David),Sulaiman(Solomon),Zakariyyah(Zacarias),Musa(Moses) and Yahya (John). The second name of Prophet Ya'qoob(Jacob) is ISRAEL so his clans are called BANU ISRAEL(Son's of Israel). Also, accordingly, ISRAEL means Abdullah (servant of Allah). But the tribe of Israel has been known for disobedience and stubbornness where they oppose and kill their own Prophets sent to them except for a small number them, this is how the Quran describes them. Among their disobedience are: -They disobeyed Prophet Solaiman (Solomon) -They disobeyed Prophet Musa (Moses) -They disobeyed Prophet Eisa (Jesus) -They killed Prophet Yahya (John) -They killed Prophet Zacariah (Zacarias). THAT'S WHY ALLAH PUNISHED THEM. THEIR PUNISHMENT IS THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE NO LAND IN THIS WORLD EXCEPT THOSE WHO BELIEVE. What happened to them for several centuries is that wherever they ended up in the middle east after the time of Prophet Eisa (Jesus), others went to Europe and America. In World War II between the years 1941 and 1945 the Holocaust occurred where nearly 6 million Jews died in Europe at the hands of Adolf Hitler of Germany. The reason for Adolf Hitler's great anger towards the Jews is about politics and religion where the Jews believe that people who do not belong to them are animals or the lowest creatures, because they believe that they are the chosen people who chosen by Allah, so Hitler did this to them. They only got land in Palestine because GREAT BRITAIN took pity on them where it was recommended to the UNITED NATIONS and the UN immediately received it in the year 1947, because the Jews also served for a long time in Great Britain. In the following year (1948) the Zionist Jews immediately declared their own country in Palestine which they called ISRAEL where it seemed as if they only arrived in Palestine as refugees until they gradually expanded their land to conquer in the lands of the Palestinians in a violent and forced way, at the same time they gathered all the Jews around the world where before they would have been scattered because of the punishment of Allah. This is where the Arab countries intervened and there was a war that has not ended until now between the JEWS and the ARABS. Apart from this conflict, the Jews also do not respect the Arabs because they believe that they are the only believers, so they did not believe in Prophet Muhammad SAW and it was easy for them to kill Arab Muslims. Why? Prophet Ismael, the brother of Prophet Isaac, is the son of Hajar, the second wife of Prophet Ibrahim, who used to be the maid of Sarah, who was the mother of Prophet Isaac, the first wife of Prophet Ibrahim (according to their history). And after the reign of the clans of Isaac in which the last Prophet among them was Prophet Eisa (Jesus), Allah gave this promise to the clan of Prophet Ismael where the last prophet and Messenger would come from his clan. Prophet Muhammad SAW. Because the last Prophet did not come from the family of Isaac, the Jews did not believe, believing that Prophet Ismael was inferior compared to their ancestor, Prophet Isaac, the son of Prophet Ibrahim's first wife, besides that, they really are people who disobeys, even to the early Prophets. In other words, the ongoing conflict between Jews and Arab Muslims is about religion and history. Palestine is a place of Arab Muslims, and the believers in the clans of Israel, it does not include those who disobey, they are not among in the promise of Allah. There are three existing religions in Palestine: 1. Judaism 2. Christianity 3. Islam WHY ARE THE CHRISTIANS IN PALESTINE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ENEMY OF THE PALESTINIAN MUSLIMS? Christians are not like Jews, where Jews are worse but they are the same race, Jews also consider Christians as enemies because they did not really believe in Prophet Eisa (Jesus), they are the ones who accused Mary committing adultery (Zina) and Prophet Eisa (Jesus) was a child of zina (adultery), so a great miracle happened from Allah where Prophet Eisa spoke when he was a baby to refute what the Jews were saying and prove the innocence of his mother. WHY DO THEY WANT TO TAKE JERUSALEM WHERE MASJID AL-AQSA IS LOCATED? They believe that here is the very temple of Prophet Solaiman that was destroyed and replaced by masjeds, so this is what they want to restore from its original, but if you go back to history and the books you will not find any solid evidence about the temple that they claim. Rather, the Masjid Al-aqsa is the one that was built by Prophet Adam and rebuilt by Prophet Solaiman. And they have no right to it because they also disobeyed Prophet Solaiman as we mentioned.

[@essamel-hady6536]

I know we got bored of the before GTA 6 stuff joke but getting Ai debating each other over Israel and Palestine problem before gta 6 is just crazy

[@kayzeefivesixace]

In conclusion it’s Israel’s land. Thanks for playing.

[@EixaDreamers]

THE TRUE STORY regarding PALESTINE -Palestine is the land of the Prophets. -Jews have no rights in Palestine -Palestine is for Palestinians -Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine -There is no country of Israel Some of the Prophets who lived in Palestine are: Ibrahim (Abraham) Lot Ishmael Ishaq (Isaac) Ya'qoob (Jacob) Yusuf (Joseph) Daud (David) Solaiman (Solomon) Zakariyyah (Zachariah) Yahya (John) {May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon them) Ibrahim(Abraham) has two sons: 1. Ismael 2. Isaac Isaac's son was Jacob(Ya'qoob) where most of the Prophets came from his lineage such as Yusuf(Joseph),Daud(David),Sulaiman(Solomon),Zakariyyah(Zacarias),Musa(Moses) and Yahya (John). The second name of Prophet Ya'qoob(Jacob) is ISRAEL so his clans are called BANU ISRAEL(Son's of Israel). Also, accordingly, ISRAEL means Abdullah (servant of Allah). But the tribe of Israel has been known for disobedience and stubbornness where they oppose and kill their own Prophets sent to them except for a small number them, this is how the Quran describes them. Among their disobedience are: -They disobeyed Prophet Solaiman (Solomon) -They disobeyed Prophet Musa (Moses) -They disobeyed Prophet Eisa (Jesus) -They killed Prophet Yahya (John) -They killed Prophet Zacariah (Zacarias). THAT'S WHY ALLAH PUNISHED THEM. THEIR PUNISHMENT IS THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE NO LAND IN THIS WORLD EXCEPT THOSE WHO BELIEVE. What happened to them for several centuries is that wherever they ended up in the middle east after the time of Prophet Eisa (Jesus), others went to Europe and America. In World War II between the years 1941 and 1945 the Holocaust occurred where nearly 6 million Jews died in Europe at the hands of Adolf Hitler of Germany. The reason for Adolf Hitler's great anger towards the Jews is about politics and religion where the Jews believe that people who do not belong to them are animals or the lowest creatures, because they believe that they are the chosen people who chosen by Allah, so Hitler did this to them. They only got land in Palestine because GREAT BRITAIN took pity on them where it was recommended to the UNITED NATIONS and the UN immediately received it in the year 1947, because the Jews also served for a long time in Great Britain. In the following year (1948) the Zionist Jews immediately declared their own country in Palestine which they called ISRAEL where it seemed as if they only arrived in Palestine as refugees until they gradually expanded their land to conquer in the lands of the Palestinians in a violent and forced way, at the same time they gathered all the Jews around the world where before they would have been scattered because of the punishment of Allah. This is where the Arab countries intervened and there was a war that has not ended until now between the JEWS and the ARABS. Apart from this conflict, the Jews also do not respect the Arabs because they believe that they are the only believers, so they did not believe in Prophet Muhammad SAW and it was easy for them to kill Arab Muslims. Why? Prophet Ismael, the brother of Prophet Isaac, is the son of Hajar, the second wife of Prophet Ibrahim, who used to be the maid of Sarah, who was the mother of Prophet Isaac, the first wife of Prophet Ibrahim (according to their history). And after the reign of the clans of Isaac in which the last Prophet among them was Prophet Eisa (Jesus), Allah gave this promise to the clan of Prophet Ismael where the last prophet and Messenger would come from his clan. Prophet Muhammad SAW. Because the last Prophet did not come from the family of Isaac, the Jews did not believe, believing that Prophet Ismael was inferior compared to their ancestor, Prophet Isaac, the son of Prophet Ibrahim's first wife, besides that, they really are people who disobeys, even to the early Prophets. In other words, the ongoing conflict between Jews and Arab Muslims is about religion and history. Palestine is a place of Arab Muslims, and the believers in the clans of Israel, it does not include those who disobey, they are not among in the promise of Allah. There are three existing religions in Palestine: 1. Judaism 2. Christianity 3. Islam WHY ARE THE CHRISTIANS IN PALESTINE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ENEMY OF THE PALESTINIAN MUSLIMS? Christians are not like Jews, where Jews are worse but they are the same race, Jews also consider Christians as enemies because they did not really believe in Prophet Eisa (Jesus), they are the ones who accused Mary committing adultery (Zina) and Prophet Eisa (Jesus) was a child of zina (adultery), so a great miracle happened from Allah where Prophet Eisa spoke when he was a baby to refute what the Jews were saying and prove the innocence of his mother. WHY DO THEY WANT TO TAKE JERUSALEM WHERE MASJID AL-AQSA IS LOCATED? They believe that here is the very temple of Prophet Solaiman that was destroyed and replaced by masjeds, so this is what they want to restore from its original, but if you go back to history and the books you will not find any solid evidence about the temple that they claim. Rather, the Masjid Al-aqsa is the one that was built by Prophet Adam and rebuilt by Prophet Solaiman. And they have no right to it because they also disobeyed Prophet Solaiman as we mentioned.

[@sammann3577]

dna test time zio many zios have little to no ancient levant or ancient Hebrew dna

[@littlelillia]

​@@EixaDreamers You're clearly not trying hard enough 😗

[@littlelillia]

​@@EixaDreamers Islam is the root problem of everything 🫶🏻

[@EixaDreamers]

@@littlelillia Islam is the victim and it's the truth. Christianity and Judaism is the problem

[@jackjohnson1072]

I think this debate focuses on the wrong topic. "Whose land is it" is a boring question. It would be more interesting to debate "Is Israel's warfare in Gaza and Lebanon justified or not"?

[@Idan-22]

lgbtq flag + star of david is contradictory

[@phun1901]

Is the warfare justified? The alternative is let terrorists do whatever they want, with no retaliation. That's not an interesting question. Both hamas and hezbollah have stated that there is no hope for peaceful coexistence, and they both want to genocide the jews out of Israel. Asking Israel to tolerate that is silly. It's not their fault their neighbours are psychopaths, Israel was invaded on day one for no reason.

[@lvsau]

It did debate this in round 3 and the judges overwhelming support Israel.

[@yonatanrosmarin4135]

I think that a better question should be "If you are not willing to share the land, is it okay that you will get nothing if you lose a war?"

[@genairegreen]

The pro Jewish ai even said that "even if the Israelites were new to the land". That's a instant loss for me.

[@hunkerdown8045]

Not to mention, the Canaanites were also not Arab but Greek.

[@ofa7788]

they were native middle easterners… closest population today are lebanese christians and palestinian christians

[@hunkerdown8045]

@@ofa7788interesting. I know their language was northwestern Semitic

[@avnigoyal8565]

​@@ofa7788 that's crazy, are you telling me Arabs are Greek??

[@mrkornabbio]

Ask it who values peace and acceptance more

[@adelbertoareola5674]

In the 1st round, the pro-Palestinian debater traced the Palestinian ancestry to Canaanites, but in round 2, to Arabs. Is this shifting claim valid?

[@kasperusdanversmauw]

"War and conflict is a Human thing!" AI: (Yes, I know gorilla's, meerkats and ants do it too)

[@dam00r]

Can you give us even one name of a Historical Palestinian Leader or a King?

[@rubenlevisznajderman6284]

I wish this would have been 5 hours. The best Israel Palestine debate I have ever heard.

[@aqua2poweros699]

Clearly the land belongs to Cape Verde 🇨🇻!!

[@stuff8195]

Changing positions from point to point that is not intelligence at all I don't know why it's called artificial intelligence

[@gabrielfine6296]

The Pro Palestine seems to be unable to produce a truly valid point so it just reverts to humanitarian concerns of the Palestinians rather than addressing Palestinian violence and unwillingness for a peace process or Hamas, which is clearly unjustifiable

[@zxh]

Well, the data it’s trained on is not there. Even AI is flawed because it does not know what happens behind the scenes, it is not omniscient. One side could produce more biased data and the AI will interpret it as fact.

[@RossTrout]

The problem with this AI debate is believing the ancient Israelites were Jewish, they were not there were 12 different tribes not one was Jewish. People called jew was first used in the late 3rd century AD as a pejorative meaning those that murdered Jesus.

[@albabialdayaqi5885]

I think it should also be added that the Al Aksa mosque is the 3rd most holy site in Islam whereas the temple mount is the most holy site in Judaism. And any split control solution giving the Al Aksa mosque to the Muslims, giving the dome of the rock to the Jew, and the has been denied. Keep in mind, the dome of the rock is not the 3rd most holy site, but rather the Al Aksa mosque.

[@stevene6181]

I’m gonna say something super unpopular but this argument isn’t who deserves to live in Israel but what to do with the Arab Palestinians living there. The Jews aren’t leaving without starting a third world war so now where do the Palestinians go? It’s a binary choice either Jews or Muslims live in the holy land not both. So I’ll ask again, where should the Arabs that don’t want to become Israelis go?

[@MaziBiafra]

They should be helped to settle in any Arabic countries of their choice or Ireland 🇮🇪

[@RacetasClub]

This seems very flawed. Do you just assume Jews are monsters willing to create a third world war for fun or something? If one pressures Hamas to return hostages and surrender instead of making excusing for them and letting them re-group and re-arm the war can stop in a day. It really is that simple and no one has to die.

[@abd_md]

So do you know that you cannot become israeli as a palestinian even right wing fanatics like the so called son of hamas is not even israeli despite being the most outspoken pro israeli and collaborator. Did you know that even converting to judaism doesnt even allow Palestinians in? Do you know that the reason is distinctly stated as maintaining the jewish majority? That is literally an arguement used against jews and other races, same as south africa.

[@phun1901]

Almost 20% of Israelis are Muslims.

[@NIV-55-u4t]

First of all, there are 2 million Palestinians living in Israel. The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza don't need to go anywhere. They simply need leaders who will recognize the State of Israel and stop attacking it all the time. They have been offered a state many times and they have refused.

[@larryl164]

Where is this data from? The curent palestinians are arab descendants that came and colonized the area from arabia in 6-7 century, and there are no any pre bc artifacts confirming otherwise.

[@JudoYoNeck]

Never scene AI debate before. Fantastic way to have a unbiased knowledgeable debate with unbiased judges. Cool concept

[@JonOleksiuk]

thank you! much appreciated :)

[@wheeltrouble]

Round 2 basically justifies wiping native tribes off the map, so...

[@Noah.b25]

Hasan isn’t gonna like this one

[@golanrr3207]

I think the answer is simpler when you look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is obvious that neither side as a sovereign group wins. In a nutshell, if all of Israel's weapons were to disappear tomorrow, what would be its fate? On the other hand, if all of Hamas' weapons were to disappear, what would be the fate of Gaza?

[@asaadddfa]

Why is this being dignified as a question? Israel is a SOVEREIGN STATE. Ratified by the UN and everything. KZbin, college kids, and anybody else does not get a vote. We don't debate the sovereignty of Bulgaria. Even this question is highly inappropriate.

[@yaelprish9882]

True. Stupid question.

[@xescv]

Smooth brain comment. It isn't as simple as that regardless of which side your on

[@avnigoyal8565]

​@@xescv no the comment is correct. Pakistan's legitimacy is never questioned despite that fact that it's creation caused the displacement of 15 million people and slaughter of 1 million. Are we supposed to deny the existence of Pakistan?

[@leedarren7022]

What are the 2 AI models debating in this video?

[@JonOleksiuk]

each AI debater is made up of a team of AIs (Claude 3.5, Gemini 2, ChatGPT 01, Grok 2) collaborating to create questions and answers. thanks for the question.

[@meraj5393]

@@JonOleksiuk damn, you put a lot of work in these huh.

[@EeARKky7435]

@@meraj5393That’s what his channel is about 😄

[@JonOleksiuk]

@meraj5393 ha, thanks for noticing.

[@SilverAgatka]

Because that's how debates work - two sides argue opposing views.