JonTron on SJWs - Sargon and JonTron on SJWs in Gaming, Politics and Content Creation Post-Gamergate

JonTron on SJWs - Sargon and JonTron on SJWs in Gaming, Politics and Content Creation Post-Gamergate
This is an excerpt from a Sargon of Akkad livestream, published on the 29th of January 2017, in which Sargon, JonTron, Jeff, and Dr Layman discuss SJWs and the effect they’ve had on content creators, the videogame industry, and politics at large.
You can watch or listen to the entire livestream on Sargon’s livestream channel: • Video

[@ThierryRocksTV]

Jon went from 10 to 10,000 in this video so mad respect to him for calling out on bullshit

[@mistahsusan2650]

and all he lost was 28 subs on one day.

[@dandundun]

Demon Rantz I think it really leads the eye to look at Joque.

[@Detstorm]

more like a couple thousand triggered snowflakes unsubscribing but tens of thousands more subscribing who gained respect for him

[@shanemczane6725]

I always liked Jontron more than Egoraptor when Jon was still with Game Grumps. Thank the lord he escaped that SJW echochamber. (Suzy is the worst, fyi)

[@raygillette7446]

Shane McZane Suzy looks like a fucking alien

[@myQwil]

Let's call it Fucking Alien Syndrome, or FAS for short

[@EWil313]

Who is Suzy?

[@arcpegasus2002]

She has really sexy thighs tho...

[@danofnostand3977]

What have the folks over at Game Grumps been saying that alines with SJW thought? I myself don't watch any of Suzy's stuff, so I wouldn't know pertaining to her, but from what I've watched of them I haven't seen Arin or Dan show signs.

[@TeamGreenBurrito]

All these years later, Jon is doing fine, and is in good company with the SleepyCabin boys; while Arin has turned into a shill with no friends, and an ever growing list of controversies.

[@samwit7804]

Also Arin is extremely homophobic backing a manipulative and exploitative dating sim and doxing a gay employ that spoke up about it which led to him attempting suicide! Such a scummy man

[@willorn]

I think if we're being fair it was hard to tell what was happening at the time. He's sort of a sneak who was trying to be/look nice and it's hard to stand up for yourself in entertainment I bet

[@willorn]

I imagine jon just lucked out that he was foolhardy enough to keep his spine straight

[@korvincarry3268]

"HEY THERE STRAIGHT WHITE MALE, LOOKING TO GIVE UP SOME OF YOUR PATRIARCHY?! NO ONE EXPECTS THE SJW!" -Jontron, 2017

[@korvincarry3268]

also, heres a real way men are "oppressed:" higher fees for car insurance at teenage and young adult ages. yet it makes sense, i know 20 guys who go mudding, racing, etc, but know maybe 3 girlsthat do the same thing.

[@casimirlawnicki8990]

Kevin Crepas Im trying to find the spot where he says that. Could someone post the time stamp when Jon says that?

[@deeta000]

Casimir Lawnicki 22:22

[@casimirlawnicki8990]

deeta000 Thank you, my dude. Appreciated.

[@deeta000]

Casimir Lawnicki You're welcome. That part played as I was reading your comment no joke lol.

[@sufamidan1006]

Credit to Jon for following his beliefs.

[@bdpickett]

SufamiDan I stand with Jon.

[@lunamoona89]

That's the problem, both sides are fucking assholes and toxic to one another.

[@DisemboweII]

+TommieV You're desperate. You're still hurting after your loss and lashing out at anyone that doesn't agree, but it's okay sweet angel, we're here for you. God bless.

[@sangieredwolf]

Yes, being racist and a sexist is super brave!

[@wesleyruff4997]

You are exactly what every thing the alt right thinks the left is, good job

[@joeinsomniac3180]

"Meet Famed Genocide Advocate, "JonTron", LEADER of the ALT RIGHT" -Newsweek

[@YoBadMama]

Joe Insomniac Love the Heavy Metal profile pic. One of my favorite movies.

[@the_melodic_banshee]

*subscribed to JonTron*

[@samoria7530]

You won't be disappointed

[@deeta000]

The Sanitarium I just subbed as well. This stream was magical.

[@the_melodic_banshee]

deeta000 His videos look great too!

[@EWil313]

I like them because he is sponsored by Audible.

[@cthulublade5223]

been subscribed since 2012 you little........ oh so THIS is what it feels like to be a hipster

[@tazzreviews1578]

Tumblr is having a riot while I just sit here enjoying this dude's content. It's AVGN and Ghostbusters all over again.

[@ThierryRocksTV]

Oh god that was insanity.

[@TakedaYoshiro]

Riot over what? Was it over JonTron?

[@tazzreviews1578]

Joseph J.K. Yup. The SJWs are literally calling him a nazi.

[@NuclearWintr]

Tyler Shewchuk They gave the nerd shit over Ghostbusters? LOL

[@SirClawedfrog]

No wonder Trump won, when the loudest people on the opposing side are also the stupidest.

[@tenv]

I'm being oppressed by the white area between Jon's neck and Jacques.

[@AnimeFanFTW25]

My respect for JonTron has fucking skyrocketed. He had balls to be in that Sargon stream. And I'm glad he did it.

[@allways28]

Fake stream there was a German with a sense of humour

[@adamilles2596]

Ha

[@DemonlordHatty]

He sounds like Stewie...

[@MauritianStruggle]

That's exactly why dr layman is so great.

[@DaybreakPT]

omg hes literally hitler!!!

[@faefofum]

Germans can be funny. They just need to drink enough beer.

[@billthecat3688]

The Political Correctness Game (the SJW game) 1. Identify an area of human activity 2. Note a distribution of success 3. Identify winners and losers 4. Claim that the losers are only losing because they are oppressed by the winners 5. Claim allegiance with the losers 6. Feel secure in your comprehension explanation of the world 7. Revel in your moral superiority 8. Target your resentment towards your newly discovered enemies 9. Repeat. Forever. Everywhere. - Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

Usually SJWs are already in the winning position and are declaring victimhood at the hands of those who they have already been taking advantage of.

[@cafre289]

"Distribution of success". Yes, like successfully slaving thousands of people based on their color skin. Or, succesfully destroying an economy and leaving everyone in poverty and unemployment. Individualism and libertarianism are a joke.

[@cafre289]

@@TheReaverOfDarkness They are both a joke. So, Who cares?

[@andrewprahst]

Wow three years ago.

[@momo1234368]

I always loved JonTron, and judging by his humor I always had a feeling that he was anti-sjw, and now that feeling has been confirmed, and I think I love him even more now

[@stormycd392]

Brandon Smith He did make a joke about systemic oppression at the beginning of his Barbie Games review. But I never thought he felt so strongly about SJW politics in general.

[@calebsmith9580]

Stormy Bell just watched that vid and I kinda hoped he wouldn't be an sjw

[@HappyPotat]

Respect to Jon for sticking to his beliefs despite the obvious controversy it would attract. Most people would continue to shy away from this type of thing or go along with it so it's nice to see one of KZbin's big boys go against the cancer... And thankfully it appears his sub count isn't going down either.

[@dunkelwelpling]

Man, this podcast has aged very well. Back then in 2017 you may have thought this is exaggerated and now in 2021 you know Jon was exactly right.

[@twitchduck6823]

I know. There where moment where I said out loud wait for 2020/2021

[@taylorcorbett8848]

It's horrifying isn't it

[@thepersonwhocomentz]

That comment about a whole industry being formed off of profiting from the outrage of people on the internet was absolutely choice. Spectacular truth.

[@sangieredwolf]

whiney self-victim bullshit.

[@seanaguilar668]

Sangie Nativus you're just a salty liberal, get over yourself 😂 😂 😂

[@PunishedFelix]

When will these idiots realize this. ugh.

[@djhenyo]

It's not just the internet. This has been going on forever in every type of media. Dungeons & Dragons is SATANIC! Video games case VIOLENCE! Jazz music is the SOUND OF THE DEVIL! Paperback books are the TOOLS OF LUCIFER! It never ends. All you can do is remain ever vigilant.

[@daltonroller2998]

25:35 to be exact

[@Soxmember69]

Damn Jon. You're this red-pilled? Now I see why he left game grumps. A lot of people think he lost support, but odds are, he's gained more respect than he lost. Most gamers are red-pilled. Gamers have had to deal with feminist and sjw bullshit since before it was cool. You can unsub and call Jon a nazi but 2 more people with be there to support him.

[@firewizzard86]

WastingAway This video should come with a trigger warning.

[@FalcoMoment]

+WastingAway 5 bucks says you have 0 clue what Nazi actually stands for and just spew it out to insult non-liberals.

[@gabe135]

Yes, people that are anywhere right of center are now free punching bags. You're the problem here. ((sarcasm))

[@samoria7530]

What's wrong with game grumps?

[@cry1459]

Max Payne I think you just got triggered by satire man...

[@studiodaeera]

People saying that this video was bad because it lacked an opposing opinion: If they had someone from the regressive left on, they probably would have identified as a wall. This conversation is significant because JonTron has finally decided it's gotten bad enough that he has to speak about it, even at the cost of his reputation. That alone should be telling.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

God bless him for this.

[@LocksAndChains]

I've been down the same path as Jontron. Unfortunately, I did drink the SJW koolaid for a year or two back around 2012...

[@lakamokolaka]

Hey man at least you realized it wasn't the best idea to continue drinking it, welcome to the club of well intention people who got fucked over by people who took advantage of outrage culture to make a profit

[@PunishedFelix]

A lot of us did

[@doibantikov2486]

LocksAndChains I know the feels. We were too young.

[@daltonroller2998]

LocksAndChains I had the SJW kool-aid touch my lips with Onision's Women Against Feminism vid. Then The Amazing Atheist saved me (which is ironic, because I'm Catholic)

[@daltonroller2998]

Back in 2015 I believe

[@jhhwild]

I think Jontron seems to be a reasonable person, definitely NOT a Nazi. The only thing is that I would like to see an opposing viewpoint here, sounds like a bunch of people agreeing with each other but it was entertaining and I actually listened to the whole thing. I want to listen to a livestream where people get out of their echo chamber, explain their opposing points of view in sane rational ways and have a civil discussion about them without resorting to shouting and name calling, maybe even change minds and/or get people to understand and perhaps work together towards a common cause. Maybe that's too much to ask.

[@persephonel2117]

+jhhwild Well, this was the first time he has spoken about this stuff so it makes sense for him to go on a friendlier podcast. This wasn't meant to be a debate, just a means for him to express his political opinion for the first time publicly.

[@mangocoffee510]

jhhwild They're only calling them Nazis because they don't agree with SJWs.

[@fancygiraffe3340]

The SJW crowd will not debate anyone, despite numerous challenges. Many of them outright block any challenging statements, or even block people ASSOCIATED with people who criticized their positions. It's the whole reason the "response video" became a thing on youtube, because many of these people refuse to talk to anyone who disagrees.

[@araulius2132]

Watch sargons streams. He brings lots of opposing ideologies and ideologues onto his streams to debate

[@jhhwild]

+Fancy Giraffe That's why I was saying that perhaps it was too much to ask. Some of these SJWs are too far into their ideology and echo chambers that even considering a civil discussion with a person with an opposing viewpoint is enough to trigger them and cause them to run to their safe spaces.

[@Azwethinkweizso]

And I liked JonTron before. I like him even more now.

[@iamsancho443]

I feel like ive seen this comment before

[@natebham]

I liked Jon anyway but this just makes me like him more.

[@Mathadar]

Agreed.

[@CapnBepis]

he's got balls

[@_jon_jafron7105]

I hate him now. I can't believe such a nice guy would turn out to be such an asshole. Anyway, Arin is not going to be happy about this.

[@stephenowen3383]

_Jon_Jafron I disagree with the guy but hating him based on his political views are just spasticated.

[@MrLyosea]

Aw you wanna hug? Fuck off you special snowflake.

[@justjim8243]

If jon wants to vent about politics more often he should talk to Sargon about coming on his streams more often

[@silverwindyaku9859]

Just Jim I would be the happiest ShitLord if that becomes a thing!

[@ToonCatTV]

curt like a sensible human being, your comment was given the nod of understanding and acknowledgement

[@Eucep]

Extremists one side, extremists the other side. Which makes that the problems that are there will not get solved. Are rape, injustice, racism, mysogism and lgbt discrimination issues, yup. But shouting loud and hatefull about it will never solve it, same as they will not solve things more easily shoved under the rug like male rape. While I lean more left, I can still agree with plenty of the points they make in this video.

[@Eucep]

Just to add one more major problem, that being super low wages that drive so many americans nuts with the number of hours they need to work to even have a living wage that is close to 'barely surviving'. And that is not something right or left, but all about just getting the most greedy out of politics.

[@Eucep]

I do see some posts of 'I don't give a fuck anymore' side. That does make me sad, since I do feel the only way to get rid of things that are fucked up is working together in stead of against each other.

[@rain3146]

If only more people would think like this. Thank you for being so open minded.

[@MrUltra999]

Absolutely, ideally perspectives need to be offered like a set of tools, so that both "sides" can think critically on it all. Then and only then, can we cease to be polarised to separate sides, with assumptions and unfortunate misdirected accusation through roughly-made labels.

[@zozohasme]

I'm a classic liberal and I also agree with a lot of the points made. SJWs have essentially hijacked the left wing. Everyone thinks that you're an SJW if you identify as a left winger.

[@TheBitBlock]

What a frigging God.

[@noa670]

Surprised to see you here Josh.

[@konundrumite]

Hello joshy boy.

[@JackofAllSpadess]

Wow, fancy seeing you here Joshy xD

[@HiddenGhul]

TheBitBlock Joshy

[@CrAzYpOtHeAd420time]

holy shit that's cringy xD

[@seal1thedickless105]

Jon is White? I thought he was middle eastern.

[@TheGeckoNinja]

if your skin is pale SJWs label you as a nazi

[@samoria7530]

TheGeckoNinja Woah I didn't expect to see you here

[@BurningOrangeTV]

seal1 the dickless Ye he's half Persian and half something else

[@foxygrin]

Golden Robodude did you really have to go there

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

Da joooOOOOOooooooos

[@caipi_cat]

"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It."- Voltaire

[@Timesmanify]

Years ago I once saw someone with dreadlocks. I said to my cousin, that guy is Jamaican. Then he just stormed up to us and said. "Actually I'm from philly. Racial stereotype." Had it not have been so awkward at the time before the SJW movement exploded I would've said, "Okay calm down. I said you were Jamaican. Not a drug addict with 3 late child support payments". Yes he was a college student in Arizona.

[@dancegod1691]

As an 18 yo, a lot of my school mates are starting to lean right. A year ago I was way more left-leaning, but I've shifted. I voted for the first time this year and for guess who? Trump. And I did so enthusiastically.

[@dancegod1691]

***** Trump died for our sins. Praise Kek, the true savior. Death to non-believers. REEEEE

[@CryptidPlays_]

*before video* subscribed to JonTron *after video* makes a second account to subscribe to JonTron again

[@eclipticfunk]

If you liked this video, watch the original 5 hour stream. Honestly one of my favorite streams of all time, Jeff holiday and Jontron in the same stream for half an hour, then like 4 hours of Jon with Sargon and Dr. , talking civilly and letting Jon get things off his chest after years of holding back? Fuck yes! I love the full stream, it's so goddamn good man.

[@grunsoul50]

Cryptid_Hunter I almost hated your comment

[@pichupichu2222]

Corbin Whaley , k

[@dorcasmutton6335]

Can I get a "Hell yeah" in the chat?

[@soverynnthebad8254]

Log Man Comments HELLLLL yeah!

[@superactiontank]

I didn't know Jontron until gamegrumps started. been a fan ever since and will continue to be a fan now more than ever.

[@MrTakvam]

superactiontank «gamegroups»

[@superactiontank]

MrTakvam yea yea typo or auto correct you get the gist.

[@MrTakvam]

Its an honest mistake, i thought they were called gamegroups for years

[@odinvalhalla664]

I have always considered myself left.... but as of recently I can also agree with the views of Jon Tron, calling myself more center-left or possibly slightly right of center right now. The current left has become sooo bat shit insane that I tend to support the right more. Left wing politics really needs to clean up their act. And with every protest they do, they just demonstrate EXACTLY why Donald Trump won the election.

[@odinvalhalla664]

***** I guess right now I call myself more center left because I oppose the current left so much. But of course I don't change my policies to far right or something over night. I support policies from both sides, on different topics. Conservative is the last thing I am.

[@whycantihaveanumber00000]

It's called "horseshoe theory". What once was up is now down; is now inside out. Black and white have switched in a way.

[@TheDamnWinner]

How does that make sense? The left “acting batshit” somehow shifted you entirely to being conservative? So because some “sjw” identity politics types are kind of annoying your policies have shifted? I dont understand how that works thats not a legitimate reason.

[@VinVonVoom]

How the turntables

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

Watch out, even old school moderate democrats like yourself are getting called racist, sexist, homophobic, and all the terms they can come up with.

[@dogstar234]

As a conservative friend of mine says; "there is a difference between being on the left and being downright regressive". Just remember that folks, just because someone is leftwing doesn't mean that they are an SJW. I am quite left wing, it does not, however, mean that I agree with much if anything they say.

[@_.._guillaume_._x_._.]

Dogstar_DogOfWar I think libertarian vs authoritarian is much more important than right vs left.

[@theposhdinosaur7276]

i would consider myself a socialdemocrat but i still find these regressives to be absolute bigots

[@dragonslayergames8254]

Exactly. You can be a liberal and not be an extremist.

[@daltonroller2998]

I just wish that you and those logical and *reasonable* leftists/democrats made their opinions heard more often, instead of just unhinged Far-leftists

[@theposhdinosaur7276]

well, i do call out bullshit when i see it, but i am not going to set up a webcam and start ranting on the internet. For one that market is basically closed by now, second i just don't think i know enough to warrant that.

[@iplex.]

Can someone tell me why +JonTron is getting a lot of hate?

[@freischutz898]

crime of thought

[@Homieskillettt]

Anne Cruz ☝

[@PedroMattGaming]

because he is redpilled and not afraid to say that he is. then all the SJWs get triggered and hate on him.

[@paysonterhune290]

Blade Shift because he is actually expressing his own thoughts and opinions without couching them in pc jargon

[@ImmaLittlePip]

he's "on the wrong side of history"

[@TheMagicRobot]

I didn't think it was possible to love Jon any more that I already did.

[@ikumuertehelminosizunamide9789]

Massive respect to Jon and this conversation! I think my biggest take away was being reminded "the path to hell is paved with good intentions." Great metaphor for everything going on

[@StyxTBuferd]

Libertarians are fine with roads and most are fine with public schools, myself included. Ancaps are crazy- but Libertarians believe in a small government that makes sure people's basic rights of life, liberty, and property are protected.

[@masterchaoss]

yeah there some radical d-bags that make us look like we want to abolish government all together.

[@StyxTBuferd]

People fear what they do not understand. Also taxation is theft.

[@ch3rok33jo3]

I've shut down every ancap argument by challenging them to a boxing match. If you can't box someone, you can't protect your shit from raiders.

[@StyxTBuferd]

Jarod Roach Rust taught me that too well.

[@ch3rok33jo3]

1) What the fuck is this fucking message? Fug? 2) What the fuck are you confused about?

[@JamesHock]

"I thought I was a progressive until I met progressives" So relatable

[@gabrocking]

How the fuck did JonTron get hate for this hit?, what the absolute fuck?!, he's saying the truth and explaining his views, for fucks sake.

[@MrNinjaone1]

What are you referring to as truth

[@WoofinBoofer]

JohnTron 2020?

[@nihlus9589]

Mandatory neckbeards

[@WoofinBoofer]

Nihlus x i guess so man

[@Romulan64]

JONTRON-MILO 2020!!!

[@fscorpion678]

Polished Savage Ben Shapiro 2020

[@brettvv7475]

I don't know, but let's hope that having such a popular maintstream voice express these ideas help others grow a spine.

[@dr.calibrations7984]

#ImwithJon.

[@SNAKE.LOVER.69]

Zack Kerber #I'mwithhim ?

[@likeclockwork6473]

This video is a fucking wake up call

[@likeclockwork6473]

To people that have been quiet about most of these problems yes. A lot of liberals want to make some big changes to the DNC after this disaster of an election. He's also 100% right. I'm liberal and what the DNC has turned into is cancer

[@painfulelegy812]

These guys create a movement? Nah. A large portion of their audience cares more about the trolling of SJW than actual political involvement. Though an anticorporate movement has already begun in the democratic party that is trying to push out hillary style establishment democrats in favor of stuff more in the style of bernie democrats; Justice Democrats. They're using similar model to bernie (no rich donors, no one gives a lot of money), and they're going out of their way to find people and train them to campaign and run against corporate democrats to shove them out of their seats of power, and actually act in the interests of the people. (And I say this coming from experience. There are some who will join in action to try and stop corruption and corporate moves, but most do not actually have a strong stringent care about heavy politics and would rather not discuss actual politics itself. Those who do have strong feelings about politics don't actually really apply it to the movement itself to create heavy proactive political changes in the long term since its either about feeling good about shitting on the political opponents, or actually getting the changes they want in small scope. Like I hear people saying gamergate failed because of 'MUH MEDIA', but in reality even with muh media harping against gamergate, they pretty much got most of what they wanted out there, which was ethics reform in game journalism from outlets they personally disliked [though many got away with still keeping nepotism about, like techraptor, because of not espousing openly negative stuff, that coming from someone close who was a heavy GG activist who worked interning there], but it didn't really extend out from there. Net neutrality is a similarly good example of this. The media is not actually that effective at stopping these movements, its just we've never had one of these movements that most people either agree with (BLM) or covers an actual scope of political system restructuring (GG)]

[@erkidenknight]

PainfulElegy socialism is cancer we don't need Bernie style Democrats. we need people who understand economics.

[@LinktheDragonslayer]

Keirnoth I agree. I don't agree with either side, but with the way the two party system is built makes it seem like you have to choose to get your voice heard.

[@MerlosTheMad]

We need JFK democrats to come back and slap some sense into today's current democrat climate.

[@thepersonwhocomentz]

Damn Jon needed to have a couple stiff drinks before this.

[@fatetestarossa2774]

SJW are cancer

[@_jon_jafron7105]

People who use a disease like cancer as an insult are the real fuckwads.

[@fatetestarossa2774]

Can·cer /kans?r/ noun | Definition #3 - a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain Social Justice is perceived to be evil - Check Social Justice Movement has destroyed everything it interacts with; politics, film, movies, comics, society - Check Social Justice is constantly spreading through our media and any opposition to Social Justice is greeted with personal attacks, shaming tactics, and occasionally violence from SJWS - Check

[@kyle1598hffgyfv]

I think EVERYONE needed a stiff drink before all of this considering the level of stupid SJW have reached.

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

Progressive SJWs are rabid, maniacal, emotionally unhinged, authoritarian assholes who make it their life mission to destroy anyone who dares poke their bubble. He's entered the world of death threats and blacklists and no amount of booze, short of blacking out, would be enough for him to stay calm while taking his first steps.

[@Swiftest_sketches]

I honestly respect Jontron even more

[@larrylentini5688]

It's very encouraging to see intelligent people like JonTron starting to speak up and balance things out.

[@TonberryQueen]

I always liked Jontron, but right now I straight up love the guy.

[@ninjatakes4321]

I recently saw some protestors here in broomall, except they actually had goals and werent disturbing walkers or anything. it was just them holding up signs to bash Trump's idea of healthcare, without really hating on him personally. I wish that was the majority of protestors.

[@en6853]

Already like Jon, now I love him

[@SephirothSuperKool]

That feeling of YES, YOU UNDERSTAND

[@nottheonlysinner]

How much did it cost to get Stewie Griffin on the pod cast?

[@EWil313]

They just bribed him with his ego.

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

His mom is an sjw, this is his way of getting at her.

[@wayoftheblue1528]

nottheonlysinner Dude I was just thinking that. "Ugh it's like the time the fat man sent me to that university."

[@MelloBello13]

nottheonlysinner lol

[@angrygarbanzo5436]

Probably one of the most unexpected cross-overs to happen on the internet.

[@brettvv7475]

and I thought JonTron was a fucking boss before..

[@LilNewo]

JonTron. thank you for coming out and lending your voice on this matter. It is good to hear another thoughtful mind join the discussion. I look forward to hearing more from you and hope you don't take the inevitable onslaught of character assassination to heart. you've got another sub here.

[@josephagnetti8921]

I hate how people assume I'm an SJW, because I'm a democrat.

[@zozohasme]

I feel you. I'm a classic liberal, and most people don't even know there's a difference between American Liberalism and Classic Liberalism so it's even worse for me. Try saying you're a liberal without a right winger calling you an SJW...

[@GarciansVortex]

same here

[@zozohasme]

Señor Spook Still better than SJW lol.

[@carmenskankey3681]

Joseph Agnetti It's sad that we can't just treat each other like human beings with different opinions. I'm a hardcore conservative and I've been called a neo nazi, racist, bigot before they even knew me. I don't wear a Make America Great Again hat because I'm terrified of being beaten up. Now, I can actually use my brain and I know that not all liberals behave like that. As a result, I have also had pleasant, civil conversations with respectful people on the left.

[@murimurimrui]

i like how everyone likes to label themselves. LOL~~~

[@cathalhughes5996]

#istandwithjontron

[@fiscer247]

It seems like gamers are starting to lean more libertarian. Honestly i don't think they care about politics...but their world view seems rather libertarian.

[@fiscer247]

STH's Stuff Alpha Omega Sin is anti sjw as well. look him up.

[@mercury5003]

You know, now that I think of it, its not ENTIRELY wrong, Video games lately have been at an all time low, especially in the Triple A scene, games now try to be all inclusive and try to appease everyone (from both a gameplay and cultural perspective) to make the most money, IE fallout 4, Dead rising, most EA games ETC ETC ETC. It really ties into what Jon said about SJWs being part of the establishment. and when you try to appeal to everyone you end up appealing to nobody.

[@revolvingworld2676]

Ghostly Overwatch seems to be trying but it's not enough appearantly. Game companies should just stop trying to apease the left and just do what they want.

[@fiscer247]

Ghostly Its been downhill since "gamer gate".

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

You forgot World of Warcraft in the list. The forums for that game read like shitty political commentary.

[@steveyuhas9278]

Where's the part about Jon being a nazi? All I heard was a thoughtful person giving us his clear headed opinion on some issues... Somehow that equals... Nazi? I don't wanna live in this world any more...

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Riiiiiiight.

[@eb3279]

If that's what being a Nazi is nowadays, being thoughtful people giving clear headed opinions on some issues, then I'll join the party.

[@jam.lob.]

"what, your boys don't suck weiner?" JonTron - 2017

[@thelegendarypanda]

I loved Jontron before, but now I respect him, too.

[@gulermo]

...so...i think i'm gonna stay in the middle for now, or else, someone will get here and will start calling me a Nazi or a SJW just because they don't agree with me

[@KingADuhYeti]

Guilherme Antônio I'm middle too and it's not safe. liberals think that everyone not left is Alt right. it's madness.

[@RacconAndMT]

Or... you could not give a fuck about what people on the internet call you? :P

[@GachakoiThomas]

+Enclave Officer That offended my head-mates, one is S.S. officer and the other is a woman who died of obesity from the "body positive" movement. I'm so triggered that I'm going to blow up your oil rig along with your dumb President Richardson! Tbh SJW don't love all races, they're bigots, and only "support" non-white races to feel morally superior. If they could keep PoC as trophies to show off their "Heroic deeds" to their pasty ass friends, they would. What's creepy is the desperate ones who only "white-knight" a woman, in the faintest hopes of getting laid, I can guess why a lot of guys were at "free the nipple" events.

[@ryana.7102]

Fake stream a Brit and a German enjoyed a conversation together

[@WeDwellinaFiefdom]

Ryan Akey Brits and Germans are allowed to be kind on Christmas Day

[@nonautemrexchristus5637]

Ryan Akey I have a German friend, fuck yourself xD

[@angrytheclown801]

Angriest family reunion ever I take it.

[@ryana.7102]

SaturnValleyGamer You're the best person on this website

[@visiblur]

This isn't 1914 anymore, Brits chose danish bacon, that's basically a declaration of war. Who can blame em' though? our bacon is delish

[@warbossonxy]

that feel when you want to watch jon tron play video games and he just keeps red pilling you

[@bigbadseed7665]

I thought it was made subtly apparent through some of JonTron's humor that he was against SJWs and the like. I'm surprised it took him saying it out loud for it to become clear to people. Then again, we're talking about SJWs.

[@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193]

yeah i dont get what the big deal is here. Jon is allowed to have his own political opinions.

[@TheLastSecretGarden]

Jon, please consider starting a political podcast. Your succinct, centrist voice is valuable.

[@PhillipH-san]

I loved Jon before. Now he's basically my hero.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

RIGHT!

[@levijackson767]

game grumps should have never let him go he was the best part. shit i've agreed with pretty much everything jon said this guy is a god.

[@Patrick-dh5mv]

Can someone just tell me what all of jontron's political views are that people are getting triggered over?

[@MrGrenadeMcBoom]

Cunning Cruise Studios well he gave a "misogynistic white supremacist" the time of day, so he's literally Hitler now.

[@_.._guillaume_._x_._.]

I think SJW's are mostly getting triggered at the fact that he's associating with people they don't like (Sargon) and are not paying any real attention to any opinions he's expressed. I did see PBG complaining on twitter about Jon basically expressing that Syrians should try to fix their own country instead of moving to other countries or something, but that's about it.

[@humblebumble8192]

Guillaume he tweeted, and I quote, "Guys, hate to break it to you, supporting an entire gender on virtue of its gender is something called "SEXIST"." as well as other sensible stuff that caused SJW's to have a collective aneurism

[@_.._guillaume_._x_._.]

some random name Oh, I had only heard about the stream. Either way, he's obviously not done anything to warrant being called a nazi lol

[@humblebumble8192]

Guillaume most people called SJW buzzwords don't deserve it either

[@ThatfoolTiggy]

One of the few guys who states his opinion openly... more respect to u jon tron

[@noelsoong777]

The SJWs just basically confirmed what jontron said..

[@jorgancrath2885]

I could not respect Jon Tron more for coming on to discuss these issues. He will get so much shit simply for being on the show.

[@nickpaternostro2611]

Hearing Jon talk about issues like this is pretty cool. He seems like a really educated person.

[@truwho82]

Move to Papa Guinea and get me the good succ. No. Not really.

[@90lancaster]

Papa as in Patriarchy ?

[@truwho82]

Yis

[@umhigussreal]

WHAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT! HOMOPHOBE!!!!!! BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD

[@DrNaviMD]

I have no idea why people hate on Jontron after this, it should be entirely the opposite.

[@SDPTheGhost]

Sovereign Snorlax And you have an Asian fetish, what's new?

[@jacksonarnecke7776]

i got in trouble for saying a joke in school and got sent to the principals office you wanna here it remember its a joke (what do you call a room full of mexicans a jail)

[@jacobgarrison1510]

That's not even that bad!

[@samoria7530]

Hold on I've got one too. what do you call a truck... you know what? Maybe I shouldn't say it...

[@foxygrin]

Jackson Arnecke what do you call a room full of straight white males? A nazi conference! 😂

[@Daimonator500]

no shit lmao even if it is a joke, its generally not acceptable to say race jokes in a public enviroments

[@AnonYMooseBoG]

Sue the school for limiting your right to free speech.

[@dratsum_yenoh]

I'm so glad that a popular KZbinr has finally spoken about this topic. It seems that anyone relevant in KZbin has to be silenced if they want to keep their career. Much respect Jon.

[@katelynsmith7467]

Man this makes me wish I could subscribe to JonTron twice.

[@programmedgamer7101]

Honestly, how someone carries themselves speak more than what they believe. Jon keeps his content clean from politics, internal and external. You can disagree with him, unsub from him, but calling him a Nazi does you a disservice. Let this be known to the stale reactionaries.

[@targetdummy1]

Man, Game Grumps is a way different show than I remember.

[@WarriorMasterTrainer]

Am I the only one who thinks it's really stupid to respect/disrespect someone because they agree/disagree with your POLITICAL ideologies?

[@resort-anthem]

Monachus Bibe Nope.

[@positivepatriot1475]

More like it's pretty understandable to see someone popular in the public sphere voice a logical and level headed opinion because so many talking heads on TV and the internet are absolutely insane. I for one respect JonTron more now knowing that he is actually a rational human being

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

Depends on the views. It's hard to respect someone who e.g. thinks rounding up their political opponents to shoot them is a reasonable move. Unfortunately, many extremists will treat reasonable political views like the crazy one I described above.

[@josephjoestarr]

WTF the backlash I kept hearing about made me think this would be awful to listen to! I'm a female Bulbasaur, and I'm glad I listened to this. Thank you for being such a critical mind Jon

[@doctorsphoenix4681]

Jontron has been my favorite person on the internet since I found him, and this somehow makes him more so.

[@that_damn_kiddo]

Thanks for the upload, I couldn't be fucked with a 5 hour stream.

[@deeta000]

Irre Levant Its worth it.

[@MartyAraragi]

I'm confused. I don't know what I am , i dont know what left or right wing views are. I don't understand the whole SJW system. What am I? Am I in the middle, or am I just the peace guy who just doesn't want any fighting? I don't know what a "liberal America" is or what it means to be conservative.

[@WreeckCreational]

Well, you see how an Alt-Right movement has come from a new generation of young conservatives. I think there needs to be something like that on the left, I have traditionally left leaning views, but I am sick to death of these thought policing, myth spreading, race baiting, man hating social justice cunts and I want to separate myself from them. Is it time for an alt-left? Ha.

[@bserk5]

ThisEpoch There is no alt-left. There is only the true left. Us communists and anarchists have been here for longer than the "alt-right". In reality, we are the real left, and democrats and republicans are almost the same when it comes to the important issues.

[@mellowmelly9258]

Marty Araragi You're like many. A bystander. Someone watching the chaos, questioning.

[@Zorro9129]

Just call yourself "Independent." As for the alt-right, it's as varied a political movement as can possibly be. It includes everyone from ultra-reactionaries to liberals who despise the modern left (Sargon is of this latter group); actual fascists to anarcho-capitalists.

[@geolosophizer7293]

A good place to start would be taking the political compass test @ www.politicalcompass.org/test It'll give you an idea whether you lean left or right and authoritarian or libertarian in your views. Some of the questions seem ambiguous but hey, you can always google the topic if you're unsure. After that, just start reviewing the platforms of the parties and deciding what you agree with and what you don't.

[@TZmayo]

Ugh can sombody like summarize this for me I don't have a hour

[@cameronmccarty5568]

Sure, Jontron is a full blown frog worshiping nazi.

[@queenofglory4089]

Tristan Gray They are talking facts and sense.

[@geniejohn7461]

Sad when you cant diffrantiate between trolling and SJW-nonsense...

[@TZmayo]

Cameron McCarty oh look sombody has a different opinion and that makes him a nazi seriously fuck off

[@prince13x]

Jontron is risking his channel and career to support old school liberalism, known today, and falsely so, as fascism.

[@Jay2097]

Jon really went from one of my favourite content makers to the super hero of the earth. Proud to share a birthday with you. What a God.

[@Avinoir26]

Two of my favourite KZbinrs here. This makes me realize a lot of things. Thanks guys!

[@newgrounds90]

my nigga jon droppin redpill after redpill after redpill. what a legend

[@chardude36m12]

Since this whole Trump thing got serious my twitter feed was just a giant wave of people I liked from KZbin and such being leftists and bashing Trump so having Jon is a nice counter to that

[@archmonstuff]

thx a lot for this, I was very curious but just couldn't deal with the 5 hour livestream.

[@MrLawrencecorn]

jontron i tip my hat to you for you're honesty.

[@averydarkhole1965]

It doesn't really matter which side your rocking with, we are all going to get fucked in the end.

[@philipmichelbach6010]

Phoenix Poole but that's edgy

[@YTeradicant]

Phoenix Poole how?

[@SilverKing96]

the part that really speaks to me is when the German is talking about his grandfather and his fears about the SJWs because they are similar to how the Communist Vanguard started. Very chilling indeed.

[@i-sink-i]

JonTron makes me happy. Screw SJWs Screw Nazis Screw racism LOVE JONTRON, AMERICA, AND VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!!!!

[@swedishenigma828]

Ethnostates are the only way to peace.

[@supersirtarkins1060]

The most intelligent video I've seen in a long time. The amount of respect I have for these individuals is immeasurable. Absolutely brilliant.

[@lexaekite7008]

im so happy that someone like JonTron started to speak up about this finally. its amazing.

[@UnleashTheBatz]

100% with Jon on everything. everything I've been feeling, well spoken.

[@PixelPingPong]

Really don't see why people are mad at Jon over this. Most of what he's saying is just "people should chill and respect eachother more when it comes to stupid political stuff" or "sjws are being too sensitive" but I GUESS that makes him a nazi these days. I mean either way I'm still a fan of him, if anything I like him more for voicing his opinion on sjws in a time where negative opinions of them will make a mob of angry people mad at you.

[@hayleymarie2271]

Yay! Jontron is one of us. 💃💃💃 I was rooting for him. 💅💅💅

[@micshork]

What I see in the modern Liberal or SJW... Liberals: "Billy has more Toys than Me!" Government: "Who's Billy?" Liberals :"Ugh, I don't know, but I want more toys"