JOOLA GEN 3 BANNED?! | Cheating in Sports & PPA Atlanta Drama

[@pickleballinwithdave]

"Maybe I shouldn't say this" - Jimmy Miller. My FAVORITE start of a story!!

[@wolf-xf6hf]

Maybe I shouldnt say this is code for “guys listen this is gonna be some spicy tea”

[@pickleballinwithdave]

@@wolf-xf6hf I like it! But one small tweak...Jimmy should say, "I got some hot spicy tea" for ya'll right now lol

[@barryfriedman3223]

My apologies if this has been noted elsewhere and I hate to point out the obvious but USAP Rule 2.E.6.f. prohibits materials which create a trampoline effect while the infamous joola commercial shows the paddle acting like a trampoline. Joola knew these paddles were illegal from the start.

[@BlackFin2Na]

I agree with Tyler, they need to implement the technology....pickleball's legitimacy as a "pro" sport hinges on fixing it

Love the pod but Lea was clearly hooking Salome with those calls. It’s pretty clear the players can’t call their own lines. They need all matches refd by line judges from quarterfinals on

[@ChrisBWriting]

After countless matches of getting hooked by Salome. Not to mention there were LOADS of line judges there, so literally no harm, no foul.

[@salomeD_PB]

@@ChrisBWriting really? Countless matches huh? Really? Every single time I played her it was televised. Or on KZbin or on another channel. Show me one single time I made a bad call against her. One single time my call was overruled playing her. Every single time we played we had or extra refs, or video challenges or both. I can show you “countless” times I challenged the call or to the ref, or to the line judge or video challenge and I was right on all those “countless” times…

[@andylundberg5097]

Yep. And its on tape. Lea fans are blind as can be to stuff like that. If she killed someone in the street in front of witnesses they would still support her. Oh yea and remind everyone her diabetes made her do it so its all ok and we are Terri me for not agreeing

[@sweetfancymoses2942]

@@salomeD_PB I find it unfortunate you are unable to shake this stigma. It's completely unfair. Did you make some bad calls a couple years ago? yes, you did, but you are trying to prove that you are beyond that by requesting line judges. Paris made some ridiculous calls against you at crucial moments but she doesn't get called a cheater. Lea most definitely deserves the same if not more than what you have received.

[@stevejordan-fd1om]

Solome has proven that she is not a bad line caller, no worse than anyone else. Every player has made wrong calls. Pickleball will not be taken seriously as a professional sport until calls are not made by the players. Parris, Callie & Anna Leigh are by far the worst line callers

[@krazieecko]

Lmao Jimmy goes on a rant about players cheating and then proceeds to drop excuses for why Lea hooked 4 calls in a row. Truly hilarious.

[@andylundberg5097]

It's ridiculous Really. Jm Is as It says prejudice for some players Asprejudiced kloss is for riley

[@gregorydonahue2996]

lol the defense of Lea’s line calls is hilarious: Lea was just “passionate” and “we can’t know a person’s motivation” If the shoe were on the other foot and Salome had her calls overturned, no doubt Jimmy would have been singing a much different tune

[@woodsonsanders1112]

He twists himself into a pretzel trying to defend Lea. It’s pretty cringe.

[@adamheath4599]

I mean salome does have a reputation and Lea does not. Also judging by how she generally acts, she doesn’t seem like the cheater type, but ya never know

[@wolf-xf6hf]

The calls were pretty close though and lea does not have a habit or reputation for being bad about line calls. When i watched it live i was pretty sure the calls were out as wel

[@fairx]

lea gets a lot of love from white knights on the internet, of which their are many.

[@pballcookie]

Lea doesn’t have reputation because players that play her don’t spend their time going online for hours yelling her name like Lea calls out everyone else after every of her loss. Watch Lea vs. Todd in few weeks ago Lea was calling foot in balls out. Watch Lea play Devidze before, she had 4 or 5 overrules per match, but Salome didn’t go online yelling Leas name. But now she is showing her own true face by herself.

[@erinsataloffpickleball]

I have a great cheating story that just happened at a 4.0 local Round Robin where two women were observed cheating. They were called out by the tournament Director after the first game and instead of tightening it up and continuing to play to demonstrate they weren't cheating they packed up and quit with this fake outrage Just for some context, these women are rated about 4.0 in DUPR and last year the intentionally played 3.0 sanction tournaments to make sure that they would be able to play in a 3.0 qualifier. They played in Arizona nationals qualifier that was about a month ago or a month and a half ago now. They played 3.0 and went 7-0 to take a golden ticket. They came back and the next weekend one of them played 4.5 and took silver. As an additional layer, just so you know who these people are, one of them was convicted of embezzlement because she stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from her previous employer People that will cheat in petty amateur tournaments are cheating because that is their personality.

[@stat41952]

Last ball was out and both Koop and Kowamota called it out at the same time. Lea worst temperament and behavior on the tour. Got destroyed by ALW 11-0 11-2. ALW stood at net after first game waiting for Lea . ALW went to bench and Lea passed her and ALW put out paddle and Lea just kept walking. No bad calls. Just got beat down.

[@ChrisBWriting]

No mention of the EGREGIOUS, momentum-killing sideline call that would've had Lea and Callie at 7-3??? As for paddle-tapping with ALW, they shook hands after the match. Lea has many times stated her opinion of paddle-tapping in the middle of a match. It's a silly tradition she tries not to partake in because you are still competing. It makes no sense.

[@dougwillrett7112]

Lea is simply a poor sport with a bad attitude.

[@LavinaThomas]

Lea was a total disappointment in that match with her behavior.

[@Vanessa-pe2xs]

Lea needs to get her act together. Her behavior is unprofessional, embarrassing and unacceptable.

[@kyleselinko8987]

We have the technological solution for line challenges and even offered it for free at MLP and PPA Atlanta events as a proof of concept. Pickleball needs 240fps, pickleball needs Close Call Replay.

[@TeenaSuzuki]

The "lost" mixed doubles pickled game is on KZbin and from the commentary Adam & Meesh had no clue that the broadcast had stopped on pbtv and Amazon prime.

[@sweetfancymoses2942]

Salome made some pretty egregious line calls a couple years ago and got blasted for it and rightly so. Since then, she's been better and has even tried to mitigate her reputation by being the one to request line judges in her bigger matches. Fast forward to recent history and Paris Todd can be seen having 3 huge calls overturned against Salome. Does Paris now have the reputation Salome has/had? Nope. Lea has 4 calls overturned by 0-5 in her match against Salome. Does Lea now have a reputation for terrible line calls? Too early to tell, but she certainly deserves it after that nonsense. Salome continues to carry this reputation for reasons we can only guess at while other players seem to be teflon when it comes to being a hooker (you know what I mean). Jimmy needs to think about why this is the case.

[@KM-cv5px]

Watching Lea wag her finger is not entertaining, it's disrespectful...

[@wolf-xf6hf]

Womp womp

[@-ct1zu]

its sports…..

[@stevejordan-fd1om]

Jimmy you call rude behavior “energy” . Yelling & screaming is not “energy “ it’s annoying !

[@AOzz]

Tyler, I watched your singles match against Quong Duong. There were a lot of very close calls and in my opinion you played it very fair. He was painting lines that entire match. Anyone that thinks you favor yourself (or cheat) on line calls should go watch that match.

[@morekingofthecourt]

Appreciate these nice words! QD is so tough in singles! Thanks for watching and have a great day! :)

[@fairx]

jm: you don't know a person's intent! But I know Salome's intent. lol

[@rqballfan]

It is amazing Lea talk about hot paddles but she is using a joola

[@wolf-xf6hf]

Shes write they are a problem but she has to keep up with the game just like everyone else

[@dougwillrett7112]

Ironic, isn’t it?

[@JustinChampa]

I can’t comprehend how pods keep kissing Lea’s a** while demonizing Salome when it’s become clear that Lea is the biggest hook in the game, in addition to having the most obnoxious “I’m the victim” mentality in the game.

[@brianbidwill790]

You guys didn’t mention that in the men’s doubles match for bronze, the complaints about the Vulcan ball from both sides was pretty bad!

[@B4inSF]

All during the Atlanta Open tournament that 🤮ball was giving the pros all kinds of problems.

[@andylundberg5097]

And they won't either They have both been big pickled Totally different takes now Then when they didn't have sponsors And we're starting out

[@pickleballnic]

Jim is such a good method actor that he’s actually in character during the pod!

[@bmagsig14]

LOL you mentioned my tweet about getting hit in the head. I couldn’t help but respond to his tweet about head shots with the same response he had 😂😂

[@sg19579]

You can't bankrupt Joola? What happened when CRBN's were banned? I don't remember anyone caring it would hurt the company when they were taking the paddles back.

[@chrispaulsen5746]

CRBN wasn't the brand name Joola was at that point. It also was The US Open and not the PPA who banned them.

[@LavinaThomas]

Any word on what's happening with Daescu from the previous tournament and the substance on his paddle? Any repercussions?

[@Squaredot01]

I'd like to know this as well! I assume nothing was found on the paddle otherwise we would have heard something. Or possibly PPA 'lost' the paddle like they did one last year.

[@scotttesar7156]

Re the PPA nets : the bottom support at the last PPA on Championship was drooping to the point that the ball could not be rolled underneath it, to the consternation of several players.... so much for that height adjustment that they prominently feature in their incessant net ads on teevee... 😆

[@metaphysicalmiracles]

The players can not be trusted to call the balls and how hard it is to put cameras on the back of the lines. It's ridiculous.

[@kyleanderwuji6461]

KOTC HYPE

[@visualvirtue9640]

Appreciating Jimmy's style efforts. Also, other tours have better replay equipment. Why doesn't PPA upgrade?

[@bicyclethief]

hol up. Joola submitted different paddles for approval than the ones on the market right now. sorry but you don't get an 18month grace period on a ban for that kind of a mistake. that would mean those totally untested paddles were freely available on the market for more than a year

[@chrispaulsen5746]

They alluded to that. They were able to take them off because there was a clerical answer. They were saying if it's approved and it causes power issues and people complain they have to wait 18 months before fully taking them out of play.

[@steves7373]

Stratego is a board game

[@btreese7]

I've heard there is an unofficial boycott by amateurs of PPA tournaments. For Texas, in the 4.5 50-59, there are only 6 teams signed up...and only 5 teams in the 4,0 50-59.

[@erinsataloffpickleball]

I have not heard of any organized boycott of any kind but the cost for amateurs to play is ridiculous. In addition to the high registration and event costs there's also a fee just to register on the website. GTFO. I am not spending $250+ to play an amateur tournament. I started playing at the end of 2020 and throughout 2021 I played in 18 tournaments, and I think 10 of them were either the PPA or the APP. The fees were high, but they were semi manageable but going to the tournament is expensive no matter what. The cost have only gotten higher, so I'm sure some of the dwindling numbers are exclusively due to the financial aspect.

[@btreese7]

Exactly. It would be different if they gave the amateurs something. A t-shirt, food/drink credit, water bottle….Anything. Just trying to make all they can to cover their pro player contracts.

[@ChrisBWriting]

@@btreese7 Also, people don't want to pay that and risk being two and out or sit around for eight hours at a poorly run event. The APP is just doing it way better with the all round Robin format.

[@fairx]

you mean they are finally starting to not be stupid with their money? amazing.

[@ThanhTran-oz4qk]

A year ago, many commentators said that professionals made generous calls. Now, a lot of money is involved... go figure!

[@Kalamabbfan]

About "missing" so many line calls, on another Podcast, Sorry not Sorry, one of their sponsors is an outfit (I can't remember the name) that has the capability to have 240 fps video. They showed an example of a line call with the 240 fps compared to what is used by the PPA, and it is night and day. In the case of a challenge there wouldn't be any question about 'in or out'. Why don't you look into them and see what you think as a possible 'cure'.

[@robertwray6004]

In terms of line call reviews, the tech is out there to make the judgement 100% accurate. Wish the pro pball world would get with it!

[@ejude6513]

I just love how Jimmy is totally unfiltered. Dropping bombs that some players like Julian Arnold, Lauren Stratman and AJ Koller are just there playing to cash their checks, that’s freaking awesome. Holy crap AJ might challenge Jimmy in an octagon with those kind of bombs. 😂😂

[@frowenallen]

Funny I’m still getting joola gen 3 KZbin ads even on this video. They are still trying to drop their bags so we are left holding them.

[@user-rx6er7lv1x]

Maybe theyd get better quality refs if they paid them more than $15 per match lol

[@-ky]

Did the PPA make a decision yet regarding the joola gen 3’s?

[@thirtydayjeff]

Lea attitude is trash and if she stopped playing today no one would notice or care

[@davewatson3398]

They gotta get this line call thing fixed asap. Can’t have a pro game without line call integrity. JMO

[@ADJoshua1]

Wisdom from Tyler 👍

[@russellmurray8162]

Implementation of Hawkeye or something similar. Bottom line is you can’t have professional players calling lines when money and potentially gambling is involved period.

[@caseygarretson3823]

I 100% agree think they should just do prize money. I don’t understand the whole contract Stuff. There’s competing tours, but if PPA has huge payouts that is where the talent would be.

[@jimb6683]

good stuff guys

[@johnsanchez2589]

So manufacturers should sell the soon to be banned paddles to the public who might be unaware? That’s messed up. If a company screws up, then they should be punished.

[@plumbedout7282]

Lea is a whiner. Good player but a whiner.

[@coachfezz1137]

she is very angry

[@rlakja05]

The announcers said that Ben was playing with a Gen 2 paddle decked out like a Gen 3. Why is no one talking about this deception by Ben and Joola?

[@dougwillrett7112]

Costco rotisserie chickens are at the back of the store because that’s where the deli foods are located, Jimmy.

[@rdelnaja2558]

Still no follow up announcement from USPA or Joola regarding the Gen3. Meanwhile, customers like me are still waiting for action either relisted or refund. We have local tournaments coming up this weekend with plenty of folks with Gen3 paddles.

[@sccks]

Looks like you'll have to go to your back-up paddle this weekend.....LOL

[@stevejordan-fd1om]

I always thought, once you went to a Salary the integrity of the sport would go down hill. Fan don’t want to watch game that don’t matter to the players.

[@tonym753]

Winning with a banned paddle should take away from the win

[@keiththompson1471]

As we see from the NFL / NBA / etc., it's much better that the refs prefer to *not* determine the outcome of the game.

[@keiththompson1471]

There should be more severe penalties for egregiously bad calls

[@49pickles]

I noticed Ben Johns is still using a Gen 2.

[@hjgreg2]

It may be an honest mistake, but if it isn’t there should be consequences.

[@patrickhamning1734]

I call b.s. on the Rachel statement. Joola got caught with pants down now they have to change the infrastructure of the series 3 3 paddles. I am willing to bet money on that

[@ry1266]

PPA fault, they need to have better cameras.

[@WisdomInsightReality]

I hear Joola may be filing a $45 million dollar lawsuit against the USAP. I hope so, this is long overdue!. What independent body is overseeing the USAP testing model, holding them accountable, making them more timely, more responsive to their clients? The USAP is the problem! They have no transparency, and no accountability, they're a black hole. Who is the third party tester, what is their company name, what are their qualifications, what is their track record, years in business, customer list, customer references, what scientific equipment are they using, where are their detailed, published, scientific test results for each paddle tested? The USAP collects too much money, tens of millions of dollars, to be shrouded in such secrecy. Sunlight is the best disenfectant. Pickleball is going soft with all this talk about injury, liability etc. There's a simple solution, wear protective eyewear, when compared to paddle prices, this is a simple, cheap solution. Don't dumb down pickleball more then it is. Be progressive, continue to evolve, keep an open mind, remember your viewers.

[@mra3373]

Everyone loves drama. End of discussion.

[@FAZEGSAUCE]

Ignatowich is playing with Ben?! I thought

[@Onomatop]

As to energy and exclamations, there’s a big difference between having high every and pumping yourself up (like Tyler does) and chirping and finger wagging (like Matt). Tyler’s version is good and fun, Matt’s version is annoying and painful to watch

[@christinemiura8894]

Lea was demonstrating poor sportsmanship. That’s all we’ll remember is her bad conduct. Get the laser line calls software from the tennis community.

[@ChrisBWriting]

Sort of over the double standard people calling out Lea's "unsportsmanlike" behavior. Where is the collective outrage when Julian Arnold screams at fans and smashes his paddle on the court over and over like a legit lunatic or Matt Wright yells in people's faces and taunts like nobody's business?

[@LavinaThomas]

I agree - I don't like that behavior from anyone. I really appreciate the players that just take care of business without the nonsense.

[@krazieecko]

What are you talking about? Plenty of people hate Julian Arnold and calls him a clown for screaming andiamo all the time

[@gabeanderson8816]

Tons of people have expressed hate for Julian’s antics, and I’ve seen a lot of negative comments about Matt’s taunting, too.

[@peds8345]

Jimmy! I'm gonna find you at DC for some chatter.

[@fairx]

colin and ben didn't care about the bronze. just an easy warm up for ben.

[@TheLoneStarPickleball]

Let’s be honest, Jasen can do no wrong for Jimmy🤷🏻. I agree I like passion but she comes off as a brat & that’s probably the crowd turned on her as you mentioned.

[@dougwillrett7112]

Lots of PPA tournament rehash. Boring. Fast forwarded to Q&A.

[@lvhawks25]

So Dylan is DTF huh Tyler? Good to know lol

[@schjmi]

Jimmy, why the love affair with Lea? Why aren't you critical of her like you are to others? She made some disparaging remarks in Atlanta towards other players while coming off as a poor sport and moving to the top of the list as the biggest hook in pickleball.

[@abbiemorris3433]

Tyler stop him from going off the boil with this football story.

[@hurricanecat1]

Id love to lock McEnroe, Kyrgios and Jansen in a room and see who comes out alive.

[@coachellapickleball]

@40by30champions follow us. All Gen 3 paddles are good for our upcoming MLP style event June 8-9th in Fountain Valley Ca. We are going to follow PPA/MLP RULES sponsored by California Black Bears

[@btreese7]

Arnold Koller Stratman Newman

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

Just have to say, none of these paddles are dangerous. That’s such a silly complaint.

[@gabeanderson8816]

Caden Nemoff hit Ben Johns in the face. Luckily Ben was wearing a hat and it caught the rim instead of his eyeball. A guy with some of the fastest hands, and probably #1 in anticipation, got hit right in the eye zone. Evidence counters your opinion.

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

@@gabeanderson8816 I’m just wondering, are you implying that pros with fast hands never got hit in the head before the Joola Gen 3s? Do I need to actually make a super cut to show you that this has been happening for as long as pickleball has been a sport?

[@pixielight125]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but come on Tyler, pronounce Quong Duong's name right. It's not that hard.

[@JoonieThinx]

Avatar Ballbender. He likes that. Good option. Better than saying his name wrong.

[@crestnut]

Jimmy would’ve bodied the other coach

[@russelllew1139]

Who is this purple Jesus your talking about