Jor El and the Council of Krypton | Superman

[@Pravuss]

Brando's performance as Jor - EL was so powerful!

[@FlavioMarceloSousa35]

Magnificent performance, Marlon Brando is a legend.

[@sinclairjg]

In the course of the movie, the impact of his jarring exclamation, "It's suicide! No, it's worse. It's genocide!" is such a better lead-in to this scene. The final edit was masterful.

[@GlamRockCowboy]

I remember that, in one version of this scene, Jor-El was saying to the Council, "I tell you, my friends, to ignore these facts is suicide! No, it's worse--it's genocide!" I can't help thinking that that little extra bit of dialogue should have been left in, as it does a better job of setting up the debate that follows, short as it may be.

[@axebomber2108]

It works both ways, I think. The addition of the talk of the phantom zone(thus giving us some idea of what just happened to Zod and co.) while having Jor-El relate it to the overall threat of Krypton's destruction was pretty smart writing.

[@logandarklighter]

Fun fact - It was Marlon Brando's idea to have Jor-El wear the same "S" symbol on his clothes that Kal-El would later wear as Superman. Further note of interest - look closely at the style of his "S" versus the one that Chris Reeve later wears. It's slightly different. In fact it is the same design and proportions as the one used for George Reeves' costume in the 1950s TV show Adventures of Superman. That was likely an intentional homage. Since this film, the idea of the "S" symbol being a Kryptonian family crest of the House of El has been incorporated into Superman's comic books and subsequent adaptations. And notice also that a "House Crest" is - starting with this film, a common feature on all portrayals of Kryptonian costume designs of other Kryptonian characters. Take note that Faora and Zod in the 2013 "Man of Steel" movie have prominent crests of their own. Zod's in particular is most prominent after he sheds his outer armor during his final fight with Superman.

[@billmcdonnell79]

Marlon Brando pretty much evolved the iconic "S" symbol from being more than just a symbol stands for Superman, but also a Kyptonian family crest of the El family. They did that in the comic books series and other later versions of Superman after the Richard Donner Superman films. Make looks like Superman wearing his family crest proudly. In the 2013 film, "Man of Steel" is also a Kyptonian symbol of Hope as well.

[@brucekentnyc]

another fun fact but for Star Wars fans. There was a Stormtrooper that left Krypton. Did anyone see him? He never returns and then there was Star Wars. Now fun fact fast forward Jan 6th 2021 Insurrection of the US Capitol. Messing around with Hades/Lucifer causes things like that to happen. He sets up the life and you all live it accordingly.

[@captaingenius-o1c]

democrats do NOT cherish life as Jar-el states, they will kill/abort/murder babies AFTER they are born....

[@SulliMike23]

Huh...I didn't know that the whole "House Crest" for the Superman Franchise started with this movie, and that Marlon Brando himself came up with the idea.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

Well, the "S" symbol is the symbol of House-El. Superman's family.

[@tonymcnamara9368]

Brilliant! Still the best superman movie in my opinion. The acting is superb, Christopher Reeves IS superman! The metamorphosis from Clark Kent to the man of steel, by simply removing his glasses is amazing! And no one even comes close to Marlon Brando playing his biological father, jur-el!

[@nR00R]

Dude who played Jor-El in Man of Steel was also fantastic, maybe not quite as good as Brando but you still can't just write him off like that

[@burntvirtue]

@@nR00R Man Of Steel is a garbage movie

[@nR00R]

@@burntvirtue You're entitled to your opinion, however the vast majority of people disagree with you. And regardless of the movie itself, the actors themselves did a fantastic job

[@Grusken19]

@@burntvirtue you have one of the worst opinions I’ve ever seen

[@Eric.1I37]

@@nR00R Man of steel was made for those who have short time frames for gratification. The original is more cerebral and deep by miles. I enjoyed man of steel, but it is not in the same league as Superman. Not even close. You are not right just because 51% prefer the newer one, it just shows you have no independent thought of your own on this subject.

[@LPJack02]

RIP and long live Marlon Brando (April 3, 1924 - July 1, 2004), aged 80 You will always be remembered as a legend.

[@SheldonAdama17]

2:50 Jor-El: (thinking to himself) " I didn't say anything about my *son*, suckers..."

[@madpuppet666]

insert pepe meme.

[@chewbactimusprime]

It just occurred to me that by now, every actor and actress in this scene has passed away. Maybe one or two of the actesses are still hangin' on, but even so they'd be really up there.

[@babrams007]

😁

[@Majorhappysaccount]

@@chewbactimusprime as of typing this, William Russell is still very much alive at 95, I'm pretty sure he is the only one.

[@davincent98]

@@Majorhappysaccount Ian Chesterton

[@moondustgirl2132]

I loved the filmmakers' concept for Krypton and Kyrptonians. More than looking like some advanced civilization, they actually made them look like godly beings in some heavenly realm. They must have done that on purpose 'cause Superman does have some Christian undertones.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Despite them being human aliens speaking English (viewer's convenience) they appear aloof and uncaring. They had vast knowledge and technology yet still refused to understand that there are more powerful things than they are. Jor-El was actively questioning their dominance which most likely had never before been challenged.

[@Cuban20]

@@vksasdgaming9472 Well they speak English to us. But they may have actually been speaking their native language and the movie "translated" because they do have their own language. In Superman and Lois both Superman and also Steel have been seen speaking the language.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@Cuban20 Viewers convenience. Superman is messianic figure. At least when Mario Puzo and Richard Donner started to handle him and such impact is very hard to shrug off.

[@Hibernicus1968]

Ironic, since Superman's creators were Jewish.

[@Daron7181]

Reminds me of the Greek gods from Clash of the Titans on Mount Olympus.

[@redfullpack]

Marlon Brando's BEST scene. And it is really worth the million of dollars

[@julianlujan5609]

In the extended version, he said 'And oppose to us, it's suicide. No it's worse it's genocide.' In the theatrical version he said , "You cannot ignore these facts. It's suicide. No it's worse, it's genocide." I have two different versions on dvd

[@bryanx0317]

Yep best actor on Kryptin...

[@BillClay88]

@@bryanx0317 it's Cripton.

[@anarchy030]

Don't forget that he was literally paid in a suitcase full of gold!! GOLD!!

[@BearCubster]

@@julianlujan5609 I always preferred the theatrical cut over the extended one. I can see why they left some of the original dialogue out.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

Does anyone else realize the clever connection here to the 1962 version of Mutiny on the Bounty? Captain Bligh (Trever Howard) threatening Fletcher Christian (Marlon Brando) and accusing him of mutiny (or insurrection). This extended version makes it even more significant. Fletcher Christian was banished to endless imprisonment on a deserted island that he himself discovered.

[@davincent98]

I never saw that one (or any other version)

[@brandue4523]

Immediately.

[@BearCubster]

Yeah, but that's not why Brando was picked to play the part of Jor-El. Mario Puzo wanted him to play the part.

[@chooseyourpoison5105]

Just pointing out, Fletcher Christian was not banished. He and his fellow mutineers cast Captain William Bligh and other officers adrift in the ship's longboat. (Bligh and his companions actually survived and made it to the island of Timor - but that's another story.) Christian, the mutineers, and their Tahitian wives, set sail for Pitcairn Island, where they burned and sank their ship, the Bounty, in what is today Bounty Bay, so as to avoid detection.

[@rclark777]

Hmm.

[@sheltv100]

Jor-El was right. They had the power to move to Earth and save humanity. But the council didn't believe him.

[@44excalibur]

Actually, I don't think they did. By that point, the Kryptonians were no longer exploring space and colonizing worlds like they once did centuries earlier. Their unmanned automated drones were doing most of the exploring for them, which is how Jor-El discovered Earth and was able to study it for so long. The Kryptonians had grown so powerful that they had eliminated disease and death and aged much more slowly to the point where they were nearly immortal. They hardly ever left their planet and there were probably very few space vehicles left capable of interplanetary travel. Even if they tried, how are you going to evacuate the population of an entire planet in so short an amount of time? You could never evacuate everyone. Who decides who lives and who dies?

[@jaybee2402]

@@44excalibur Similar debate raged a few years ago in the Star Trek universe about the evacuation of Romulus. Get as many healthy, unrelated children away asap, along with as many of their mothers, preferably any with some tech skills as can be squeezed in. This of course will necessitate many absolutely agonizing decisions, but at least you would have the basis of a new world society in a few decades.

[@billmcdonnell79]

The Council pretty much forbids everybody to leave Krypton, especially Jor-El and Lara. Jor-El realized that everybody are already doomed no matter what, even if he did tells everybody outside of the Council to leave Krypton before it's too late, the Council would stop everybody who are attempting to leave. However, Jor-El secretly building a spaceship solely for his own infant son, Kal-El who is the only Kryptonian he can save from Krypton's eventful destruction.

[@Concreteowl]

The Earth isn't shifted in this film. Kal-El uses the gravity of the Earth to propel himself to superluminal speed and travel backwards in time. All the footage of things going backwards are events from his perspective. If he span the Earth backwards he would have probably have killed everyone on the planet.

[@Daron7181]

MOS General Zod to the Council : “Jor-El was right! You’re all a pack of fools..EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!!!”

[@JoshDanielAnglo]

"I'll make the Council an offer they cant refuse." -Jor-El to Lara

[@indyj16]

I love Brando's performance of Jor-El; he is brilliant and incorruptible but also burdened with the weight of knowing what's about to happen to his civilization and what he must do to save his son.

[@lwal7494]

So impressed with how they made those suits glow white...

[@marcuscheng9398]

The 4K made it bearable by being darker

[@kathleenhensley5951]

I have never liked it but I've gotten used to it. The recent "man of Steel" made Krypton too dark and foreboding. I suspect we all have our ideas about how Krypton should look.

[@ace942]

If I remember correctly, a reflective element was added to the suits that would cause the glow when hit with light.

[@oneinsixcom]

It was clothes with beads that glow when light was shone on it. Notorious difficult to handle even fingerprints would darken the reflected light.

[@spuwho]

OMG. You can see Marlon Brando eyes moving back and forth as he reads his script cards! So much for method acting!

[@saanzacs]

"This discussion is terminated, the decision of the council is final"

[@RobPasqual-c1q]

"You're a pack of fools! every last one of you!"

[@Goldnfoxx]

_"I tell you Krypton is simply shifting its orbit."_ Oh, is that all?

[@Kentrc11]

If the Earth had issues with its Orbit we would all be in trouble. Crazy that this was not a red flag on Krypton of all places.

[@LordZontar]

I suppose you could call your planet spiraling in towards its sun a shift in its orbit...

[@jeffzebert4982]

Even in the best-case scenario, a shift in Krypton's orbit probably would have rendered the planet completely uninhabitable. Just like at what happened to Ceti Alpha V after the explosion of Ceti Alpha VI shifted the planet's orbit: *Khan Noonien Singh:* "Admiral" Kirk sent 70 of us into exile on this barren sand heap, with only the contents of these cargo bays to sustain us. *Commander Pavel Chekov:* You lie! On Ceti Alpha V, there vas life! A fair chance! *Khan Noonien Singh:* THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!! Ceti Alpha VI exploded 6 months after we were left here. The shock shifted the orbit of this planet, and everything was laid waste. Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress.

[@marhawkman303]

@@LordZontar Yeah, if I was Jor-El i'd have asked Vond-Ah why she thinks that's not important... 'cause planets don't just... move like that.

[@Daron7181]

@@marhawkman303 I think maybe it’s happened before in the past and that’s al it was. They later got too comfortable with it like when people on the Pacific Rim are with all the earthquakes.

[@christopherthorkon3997]

Fantastic music by John Williams.

[@parisbeech2180]

100% agreed

[@lisaleon432]

Yes... the music in this part gives me chills.

[@parisbeech2180]

@@lisaleon432 you aint wrong

[@jamesbowman8138]

The score represents the adversarial culture of Krypton,it played in superman 3 as well.

[@michaelclements4643]

The best ever film made from a comic book character no one has come close to making one as good

[@CinemaRescored]

Come on now...

[@rollicker3139]

This film is a classic and the first truly great super hero film that set the standard for the rest of them. I do believe the Dark Knight and even Tim Burton's Batman can stand at least toe to toe with it.

[@Hibernicus1968]

@@rollicker3139 The Dark Knight, yes. Tim Burton's Batman, not quite. And for this one, the dated special effects do hurt it a bit; you can't help but compare them unfavorably to what can be shown on screen now. But the origin story part of the movie still holds up as the best ever in a superhero movie, hands down, and of course, Christopher Reeve's portrayal still sets the standard.

[@sosabodiez5972]

Man of steel is awesome too

[@coreymckee4844]

Dude shut up lol man of steel far outways this film. With respect to the past, MoS is superior.

[@robertcooper1808]

Brando caught a lot of flak for the huge salary he received for playing Jor-El, but he's really working in his scenes. Such a wonderful actor! And the Council Members are played by friends of his that he worked with before - Trevor Howard, Harry Andrews, Maria Schell - all brilliant actors in their own right. Richard Donner did a great job directing the Krypton scenes in this film, the best Superman movie of them all!

[@carthainian]

I never understood how they were so smart yet so dumb. There should have been a movie about Krypton

[@yurihageshi8008]

There has been some episodes in some of the super man series

[@stpat7614]

Just like the Atlanteans.

[@mahmoudanas6220]

There is a Krypton TV show

[@magazinekitchen]

Think about climate change. Our "leaders" are just as dumb, or willfully ignorant.

[@TormodSteinsholt]

Cults are also targeting well educated people. The same flaws of the mind exists, but they think themselves above being manipulable. Therefore the effects are stronger.

[@CeeTeeUSA]

How can an important scene like this not make the cut in the version I saw when it came out 40 years ago??

[@BearCubster]

Because it wasn't necessary.

[@ASHEN_ONE_GAMES]

It did in the 3hr TV version

[@axebomber2108]

Technically, the scene itself did make the cut, just minus a few extra seconds of dialogue.

[@PungiFungi]

@@axebomber2108 the theatrical version cut out Vond-ah’s introduction.

[@axebomber2108]

@@PungiFungi I know, I just got the sense that Cee Tee thought the whole clip was a deleted scene, not just the bits with Vond-Ah and talk of the phantom zone.

[@burtonryan50]

I bet those guys in the council will feel pretty stupid later on.

[@shawbros]

They do, when they have that desperate, panicked look as everything is crashing down around them.

[@SirCraigius]

They don't really have long to think about it, what with them all falling into giant chasms seconds before the planet exploded.

[@LordZontar]

Kryptonian Science Council member Dyat-Lov: "You did not see the sun looming very large in the sky just now because IT'S NOT THERE!"

[@55Quirll]

I believe you see them in Superman 4 when they tell him not to interfere with the affairs of earth, they were holograms like Jor El was. Strange.

[@Kentrc11]

Agreed. The Kryptonians could have treated this like a weather forecast & stayed on the nearest habitable planet as a safeguard. Their collective arrogance made them stupid.

[@aaroncampbell2180]

He should have made those "pezzi de novanta" an offer they could not refuse.

[@danielm3192]

Brando is great. He owns the scene.

[@WiSMs]

Those florescent light jump suits are sweet. "S" for Sweet. amirite amirite?

[@xponen]

this looks like a retroreflective fabric, much like the one that lights up the road sign when car drives by. Any type of light with light up this fabric, unlike a flourescent suit which only lights up to dark light (or UV light).

[@trespire]

The suits were all hand embroidered with tiny glass beads, it took massive effort to achieve the directors vision.

[@vilefly]

@@trespire Not quite. It was projection film fabric. Maybe rear projection fabric, I can't remember. Machine made, and very noisy to walk in, due to stiffness, but they pulled it off. It is rather expensive, too. About $45.75 per sq. yard.

[@kxmode]

He was being truthful when he carefully chose the words, "Neither I, nor my wife, will leave Krypton," fully aware that their child would. In the end, the survival of their child is all any parent can truly hope for given such circumstances.

[@ObservantDog]

40 years later, and no Superman movie has even come close.

[@chris72.]

I think it went downhill after Christopher Reeve

[@TheWorstWarlock]

'Superman: Last Son of Krypton' and 'Man of Steel' were both better.

[@Hairysteed]

Except Superman IV Quest for Peace /trollface

[@robertbeckman2054]

@@TheWorstWarlock Man of Steel was THE MOST milktoast superhero movie of all time. I wanted to walk out of the theater several times: when Lois Lane wrote that big story "Who needs Superman: because he's a dead-beat dad", when it showed him in the bar with some such stare of "what or who am I attracted to...I don't know, when Lex Luthor drove the Krypton spike into Superman and broke it off inside him, when the end/climax of the film was the "oh, Superman's not in the hospital bed anymore! Yea!!" scene. And my personal favorite: when the bank robber was using a light machine gun on Superman, and Superman got really, really dramatically angry when one of the bullets touched his eye...and that look he gave the bad guy was like "I'm going to spank you now." SUCKED SUCKED SUCKED

[@robertbeckman2054]

Whoops, I was talking about Superman Return...I take what you said back. My bad. He he

[@parisbeech2180]

One of my favorite parts of the movie

[@moondustgirl2132]

I have a lot of favorite scenes in the film. I can't say this is one of them, but all the Krypton scenes are pretty special. I loved the filmmakers' concept for Krypton and Kyrptonians. More than looking like some advanced civilization, they actually made them look like godly beings in some heavenly realm. They must have done that on purpose 'cause Superman does have some Christian undertones.

[@parisbeech2180]

@@moondustgirl2132 gotcha I respect you opinion

[@cryptoxenologist]

I've seen this extended version. I can't believe how arrogant the Kryptonians were.

[@LordZontar]

They had been masters of their scientific empire for uncounted thousands of years, and evidently had never faced any serious extraplanetary challenge, if any. Little wonder that such unrivaled supremacy for so long would breed that kind of arrogance. Except for Jor-El, none of them could believe their world could ever come to an end. The very idea was inconceivable.

[@hazeroth]

All this advancement and Krypton still couldn’t fix male pattern baldness.

[@HerrFlachpfeife]

They are so advanced they have found the easiest solution: Just not caring.

[@emmanueloluga9770]

@@HerrFlachpfeife I like this reply better. Superficials and the obsession with baldness. WHY care about something so inconsequential lol

[@j.b.9260]

@@HerrFlachpfeife That's the same answer Patrick Stewart gave when a journalist asked him why baldness hadn't been cured by the 24th century.

[@ronjackson657]

They lived thousand of years. And they aged slower than humans. Superman's dad said he'd be dead many years by the time he got to earth. The yellow sun 🌞 made him look like a normal kid but he would be still an baby on krypton cause they age slower than humans and had a red sun and green kryptonite core at the center of krytoy.

[@FlavioMarceloSousa35]

Why should they?

[@madpuppet666]

I still they should have just left the planet. The reason given "don't cause panic" was far too flimsy. Would be easy to leave the planet discretely.

[@Kentrc11]

Agreed. The Kryptonians could have treated this like a weather forecast & stayed on the nearest habitable planet as a safeguard. Their collective arrogance made them stupid.

[@Lemuel928]

Why didn’t Seg leave?

[@zt1053]

In a deleted scene the council discovered him just using power for the ship for his son

[@wwood-ct7yn]

0:26 "It's suicide! No, it's worse. It's genocide!"

[@WillNelson73]

My goodness, this movie was so good

[@sauronbagginsd8032]

The 2nd Elder almost seems to agree with Jor-El until the 1st Elder tells him the Councils decision :/

[@jamesbowman8138]

You're right when krypton is exploding he has a look of regret.

[@ashockmizer914]

@@jamesbowman8138 if only he did not ingore the Truth before it was about to Happen

It was always my understanding that the reason the other Krypton leaders didn't believe Jor El was because Brainiac was lying to them, telling them that Jor El was wrong, all the while never guessing that their self-aware AI might have selfish intentions and wanted the planet destroyed, meanwhile Brainiac downloaded it's consciousness into another host safe from the coming doom.

[@reecebrinkman808]

I wish I had seen this many years that I see on here ago. So again yes I wish I had seen this comment of yours this many years ago, but the Superman animated series was actually like that in a way.

[@Darth1Marik]

I love how they thought Krypton was simply shifting it's orbit when in actuality scientifically that's pretty bad for a planet that supports life. Also as advanced and scientifically savvy as they were did they not notice how old their sun was? It was a massive red supergiant. A star in that stage of its life is nearing to supernova. Surely they should have had SOME concerns?

[@RichardX1]

"It isn't that I question your data; the facts are undeniable. It's your conclusions I find unsupported." Remember when political debates about the environment were this respectful?

[@marhawkman303]

ah yes, back in the 80s I think?

[@babrams007]

Sounds like a discussion regarding the coronavirus. Star date: Earth year 2020.

[@kylebrogmus8847]

Yes, except the real pandemic are the politicians and big tech tyrants.

[@EnduringArts]

@@kylebrogmus8847 Exactly...

[@rclark777]

Captain's Log: We're all doomed. Between the world-ending virus, the killer wasps, and the insufferable customers at every Swap Shop, we just couldn't take it anymore and sent out the nukes to beging the worldwide mass suicide.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

We will all fry in the end. The last man will die and the oceans will boil away.

[@Gangularis]

I still want to know how they made those hool-a-hoop things!! Such a great effect.

[@westmcgee9320]

Gangularis it was a toy or toy store prop they found, according to one of the commentaries.

[@geoculus5606]

Where the two hoops touch, they are simply attached together there. Then they both spin as one. Gives an effective optical illusion.

[@duanebarry2817]

How cool would it be to have those hula hoop things in your own home! You could make your dog stay inside the rings when he misbehaves.

[@LordZontar]

@@geoculus5606 Paul Trerise and Dave Barton created that same prop design for the console of the Rani's TARDIS in the Doctor Who episode "The Mark Of The Rani".

[@gamers7800]

This scene reminds me of Clash of the Titans, in that movie the entire Royal Shakespeare Company was stuck on Mount Olympus. Here we have two of the greatest actors of all time (Brando and Howard) slumming in outer space, in a comic book movie no less, not to mention Ford !

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Its never the material, but how well its written and presented. This movie should alot of morons it coild be done.

[@PungiFungi]

Maria Schell also.

[@mjbull5156]

Jor-El: "Neither I nor my wife will leave Krypton." Lara: "Thanks for speaking for me there."

[@FlutterMouse]

I think it's one of those " we won't ... but our son will" situations. I get the feeling they were resigned to their fate without any additional support or resources.

[@FlutterMouse]

@Brown Papi pretty sure they don't care about that sort of thing on Krypton.

[@FlutterMouse]

@Brown Papi what do you think women in Krypton do? Their society is too advanced to need domestic labor divides. If you actually read the comics, the council has historically been split fairly evenly by gender. This was just one movie that came out decades ago. It's not even clear if Krypton women take their husband's names. His wife is just Lara. Not Lara-El .

[@BrotherDerrick3X]

@@FlutterMouse Lara's birth name was Lara Lor-Van. The female Kryptonian has her father's whole name as a last name. Like Supergirl's name is Kara Zor-El. I guess when Lara married Jor-El, she became Lara Jor-El.

[@chooseyourpoison5105]

In the original Action Comic no. 1, it's quite clearly explained that there was only room for one in the rocket, and comic-book Lara is in tears about how her baby will grow up without her, so it's quite clear she would have gone with him if she could, but it wasn't physically possible. It was nothing to do with patriarchy, just practicality. Mind you, that does beg the question of why Jor-el didn't just build a bigger rocket ...

[@mksolid82]

This will always be the best vision of Krypton for a film.

[@55Quirll]

He should have said: 'I will abide by the councils decision and keep silent' then walk away and work on a large craft to carry him and Laura and Kal El away. In the book that is what he was doing, building a large craft but the eruptions started too soon and cut the power cable from the thermal generator so he put Kal El into the prototype ship with the guidance system put on first that would then detach and fly a few light hours ahead of the craft. I really enjoyed the book, Luther was a criminal but funny and not deadly.

[@disneyboy3030]

Was it the novel adaptation.

[@55Quirll]

@@disneyboy3030 No, It came before the movie but had pictures from the movie in the middle. It was a good book.

[@saquist]

It would have been very interesting to see a prequel movie of General Zod trying to save Krypton from the negligence of the Council with Jor'el's help but ultimately used the opportunity to attempt to take control....Jor'El could have been faced with an impossible decision to commit Genocide by defeating Zod or unleashing all powerful tyrants across the 28 Explored Galaxies... All leading up to Kal'El's birth.

[@goldenager59]

A sterling conception. I would see such a movie myself, methinks. 😎

[@KnightofDuroch]

The Royal Shakespeare Company is proud to present their stirring rendition of...

[@texasrockshillcountry6574]

The three hour version has so many more highlights! I wished it could have been on the big screen! Now, why couldn't Jor El and his wife also have a spaceship to accompany Kal El to Earth? It was very risky to leave that baby alone to fend for himself on the chance that he MIGHT find a loving family that would adopt him.

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

Following the logic of the comic book and Man Of Steel movie: child Kal El was more likely to survive. Being a newborn was a advantage to adapt and grow uo on Earth environment. Jor El and Lara couldn't have survived because of their age and getting used to Krypton's environment

[@vksasdgaming9472]

That baby still had all Superman's powers thanks to exposure to Earth's sun. There was very little physical risk to him once he is there.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@charlespuruncajas9663 Man of Steel shows it quite dramatically with sensory overload crippling adult Kryptonians when exposed to Earth's conditions. Clark Kent had grown used to all that sensory input.

[@white-dragon4424]

@@charlespuruncajas9663 You forget Zod and his followers could easily survive on Earth, even though they were adults once they got there.

[@09rja]

I always thought it was because he gave his word to the council that neither he nor his wife would leave. (Note he didn't mention his kid.)

[@blower1]

Ignorance and arrogance reigns supreme everywhere.

[@nateborie6329]

Wow! What a performance! I stopped myself from watching this film for a LONG time, simply because the first time I saw it, I couldn't wrap my head around the concept of a planet of crystals and such advanced concepts. But looking at it now, it actually is a really cool concept. And looking at the way the Kryptonians present themselves, they act as though they are truly higher beings, unmoved by the shifting dynamics of their planet, and focused only on their own politics. And I like how Jor-El made that little quip about neither he nor Lara leaving Krypton, but he never said anything about Kal-El. Primarily because the Council of Krypton doesn't know they had a child, which means Kal-El was exempt from that rule. Clever little bit of storytelling.

[@TommyRayzer]

Still to this day Christopher Reeve is the only actor who had unique but obviously different manurisms when acting as Clark and Superman. Especially the scene where he says "Lois I have something to tell you". The glasses come off, his facial expressions stiffen up and become sharper, he stands tall and his voice suddenly becomes more commanding. Then he changes his mind and instantly becomes Clark Kent again. No one else ever really managed to emulate that.

[@1406Pictures]

Bye bye Vonda - when Krypton actually did explode in 30 days.

[@digi_edits]

I really like the different symbols on their chests. Nice touch.

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

an excellent scene at the end - literally them against Jor-El with him being isolated and alone.

[@BrandonKohout]

You cannot ignore these facts.

[@barryabrams4661]

This is one serious scene.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

"My friend, I have never been otherwise [than reasonable]; this madness is yours."

[@gregsheppard3377]

Loved this truly looks like other planet they did good

[@renegalvan6417]

A tremendous scene....I just it often as an allegory, a cautionary tale.

[@johnduckworth3866]

The dialogue is so elegant. Almost Shakespearian.

[@eatos9130]

Jor El tried to warn them but they didn't listen and their foolishness to their destruction Jor El should have evacuated his wife and son sooner.

[@Kentrc11]

Agreed. The Kryptonians could have treated this like a weather forecast & stayed on the nearest habitable planet as a safeguard. Their collective arrogance made them stupid.

[@JENDALL714]

In other versions, the ship he sends his son in, is only a model, he was in process of building a larger ship, but ran out of time.

[@amenotephamon931]

Jor-el: "The planet earth ecosystem is collapsing caused by human pollution in the next 30 years", Earth Counsel: "Jor-el be reasonable..."

[@benjaminlucas1635]

Jor-el to the council: Im only the top scientist on this planet, whilst none of you are scientists at all. What the hell do I know about an unstable core?

[@chooseyourpoison5105]

Council: What do we care about your years of ceaseless study and research? We saw a KZbin video that said Krypton is fine! You're just a shill for Big Explosion!

[@PungiFungi]

No you’re not only too too scientist here... there’s also… Vond-Ah.

[@marhawkman303]

@@PungiFungi I rally wanna hear a longer explanation of why Vond-Ah didn't see it as concerning.

[@Aramanth]

*Great Brando Scene.* And I hope Jor-El included Vond-ah's poor scientific assessment in Cal-El's studies! As a lesson to do better research before conclusion! (I love the whirling hula-hoops of death! LOL! ⭕⭕)

[@bloodshadow7082]

Those outfits would be perfect for Rave parties. They glow like Tron outfits 😂

[@chasefreak]

As a kid, I always liked how at the 1:28-1:30 marks you can hear the "sounds of Kryton" the planet in the background-eerie yet cool at the same time.

[@laurac1986]

1:53 brilliant score as all his hopes walk away

[@AgentExeider]

Leave it to Marlon Brando, to act on set made of plastic, with a costume made of tinfoil and mylar and still sell it, making it sound like it's epic Theatre. That my friends is talent.

[@marhawkman303]

The real secret? that's classical theatre. you sell the part by acting it, not by fancy dress up.

[@creedrichards137]

I wonder if there was any reference to those other crests in DC's future work. They are decent designs. It would have been an interesting throwback to see them elsewhere.

[@monkeyboy4746]

I read that the costumes were a highly reflective 3M fabric that they shown a light on, so I guess if you were standing there it would look just as it does on film. I always though it was some sort of lens filter.

[@fboness368]

Fletcher Christian vs Captain Bligh, Pt. 2!

[@BlackCatFilmProductions]

Its a shame we're doing the exact same thing with the Coronavirus.

[@Alusnovalotus]

Black Cat Film Productions its eery how the head senator calmly threatens Kal- el with peer pressure about obvious doom staring them in the face acts like the government does now. Could Fauci be Jor -el?! 🤭🤭🤭

[@billmcdonnell79]

Fortunately, Joe Biden won the 2020 election and Trump lost and Biden will be president of USA on Wednesday, January 20, 2021. Hopefully Biden would be a whole lot president than Trump could ever be and even wins a second term in 2024 as well. Hopefully the coronavirus pandemic would finally be over before the end of 2021.

[@timothyhouse1622]

Been doing it with Climate Change for decades. When you have folks in power that don't believe in science, this is what you get.

[@billmcdonnell79]

@@timothyhouse1622 Yep. I don't think religion and politics really mix. I rather have science than religion anyday. Science debunked the failed 2012 Mayan apocalypse, which fortunately, didn't happened at all.

[@BlackCatFilmProductions]

@fatarsemonkey No ignoring Warning

[@mikeowen7526]

Trevor Howard was a legend in the film world And working with Marlon Brando ❤❤

[@yuljohnson6838]

Marlon brando made one hell of a Jorel despite all the negative talk surrounding him during the shooting of this movie! This role solidified him as one of America's greatest actors!

[@Lash00]

I never understood how an advanced society like Krypton could ignore science and let this happen. Watching what is playing out on Earth, and the complete disregard to science and experts now I understand. 2020 is just a prologue of what is to happen here.

[@patrickjack8101]

Science and Dogma are incompatible my friend....our problem here on Earth is that we give in to emotion rather than seek truth

[@blockmasterscott]

Plot armour, there had to be a reason for the entire civilization dying. And sometimes the plot armour doesn't make much sense.

[@Brandon-lw1wx]

2020 was due to China. We must stop dealing with those tyrants.

[@sxbj5908]

Funny... that the people never get to choose from the real information. Only the officially agreed upon truths.

[@Steven_Andreyechen]

For any Doctor Who fans reading through the comments William Russell plays one of the council members, you can see him at 1:01

[@GlennSkywalker2305]

Thank you I was trying to look for him

[@puterboy2]

This along with Superman: The Animated Series’ version of events is what clearly inspired Don’t Look Up.

[@williamjameshoffer4405]

Only it is the exact reverse in real life. All the people and politicians agree on climate change/global warming, except for the lone ones who shunted aside like Jor-El was here. Weird, isn't it?

[@maximusprime3459]

Jor-El: "Krypton is doomed!!" Council: "C'Mon with that, man!!"

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

So they have an understanding of the field equations (Einstein's Field Equations) that govern gravity, thus, the universe. They understand quantum gravity and understand the dynamics of black holes (the phantom zone). They have conquered interstellar travel. They have the theoretical models of a shifting of the orbital path of their planet... yet... the outcome is misunderstood. We have that level of physics understanding now. Hmmmmmmmm...... I know... I know... it's a movie. I accept it because of a movie. This is what happens when you study the actual science. Incredible film, nonetheless.

[@ObservantDog]

It was a brilliant film. Both then, and still, now. I really wish we could achieve this level of quality in a Superman film today. The problem is... they are trying in all the wrong places. The things they focus on back then were narrative, story, consistency, and depth... today, its all about the easy buck. Flare, flash, sensation, dazzle. The story and narrative fall to the wayside.

[@Alusnovalotus]

ErwinSchrodinger64 lol. Mind you, their planet was considerably different than ours and Jorel’s wife even said that their bodies were much denser than ours, or something like that. Might change the game vis a vis our own studies and calculations based on earth’s gravity.

[@williamjameshoffer4405]

And, yet, even today we have scientific consensus that the virus was from bat soup, climate change is caused by human generated CO2 and not natural forces, and people can be the opposite gender of their bodies. In previous eras, it was eugenics and electroshock for the same sex oriented. It is entirely believable, scarily so, that a much more advanced civilization would have also fallen afoul of group psychology and intellectual dysfunction. I wish you were right, but I have learned otherwise. Scientific knowledge doesn't necessarily translate into political policy.

[@JacobChacko3008]

Is it hard to believe the words of one of the greatest scientists on Krypton ? I don't think it's absurd.... the story is happening in reality on Earth itself .....

[@axebomber2108]

They like to hear the scientists talk until what they say becomes inconvenient.

[@marhawkman303]

@@axebomber2108 politicians "Follow the science"... after choosing which science to ignore.

[@roberta8673]

They don’t make movies like they used to.

[@Brian6587]

Love the glowing suits. Look cool!

[@MasterJediDude]

He should have finished that sentence like this, “Neither I, nor my wife will leave Krypton... [whispers] today.” Screw the council and honor. He, Lara and Kal-El should have gone together.

[@billmcdonnell79]

But Jor-El only saves his son, Kal-El, the only Kryptonian he can saves (without counting General Zod and his minions could sent to eternal exile in The Phantom Zone to be forever isolated from the rest of the universe).

[@disneyboy3030]

From what I heard that was what he was going to do…. But he only had enough time to save one.

[@Palidor19]

‘Neither I…….nor my wife will leave krypton”. We all knew what he meant

[@Alusnovalotus]

Eerie how this scene and 2020 are so similar. 00:58 This council even has their own Dr. Bilx / Fauci feud!!!! 2:03 😱😱😱

[@koichidignitythief7429]

Chris Reeve was an advocate for medical research. I doubt he was an anti vaxxer

[@lanceheaps581]

“And I swear on the lives of my grandchildren that I won’t leave Kypton, but now I must make arrangements for my son to leave this world. If some unfortunate accident were to happen to him if he got shot by a cop, or was struck by a bolt of lightening then I would blame some of the people on this council. And that I would not forgive.” Don Jor El

[@SuperWolsey]

Considering a certain classic Doctoe Who cast member being part of the council, this tracks beautifully in a ironic way

[@zachcoles4296]

Krypton deserved the fate it was given, if it's people were that thick headed then they deserved what they had coming to them

[@ashockmizer914]

If they where not so arrogant

[@fabriziopace9969]

Incredible design, high technology ❤

[@thevaderguy]

The Council of Families stand against Jor-El and warns him not to cause alarm by leaving Krypton. Jor-El agrees, and guarantees that he and his wife will not leave the planet. But his younger son, Kal-El, cannot be forced to abide by the decision of the Council. Alright, and he has to make arrangements to bring him off the planet safely. But he is a superstitious man. If some unlucky accident should befall his son-if he should hang himself in his ship, or if his spaceship should be shot by a Kryptonian battery, or if the ship should be struck by a bolt of lightning-then he is going to blame some people in that room, and that he does not forgive. But that aside, Jor-El swears, on the souls of his grandchildren, that he and his wife will not be the one to break the peace they created that day

[@daviddressler1666]

Anyone realize that tower thing inside those rotating circles just disappears at the end of the scene? They were using 2024 technology in 1978.

[@rawyld]

1:00 you can spot William Russell aka Ian Chesterton from Doctor Who

[@SuperWolsey]

Ian!!

[@guillermorojasc]

I wonder if this is how they treates covid-19 crisis at first

[@John-ct9zs]

These scenes are from the 2001 remastered directors Special Edition. This was not in the original 1978 cut.

[@cryptoxenologist]

This version is the best. And unless I've been living in a cave or under a rock is it available on bluray?

[@marcuscheng9398]

Its on Bluray and 4K as well

[@redwolfoutcast114]

The alternate cut scene Jor El: "I had my fingers crossed douchebags me and my family are outta here"

[@billmcdonnell79]

But Jor-El only saves his son, Kal-El, the only Kryptonian he can saves (without counting General Zod and his minions could sent to eternal exile in The Phantom Zone to be forever isolated from the rest of the universe). The Council pretty much forbid everybody leaving Krypton, including Jor-El and his wife, Lara because their disbelief and rejection of Jor-El's theory.

[@azurerainbow4637]

Vond-Ah must‘ve had a personal grudge against Jor-El,hence she refused Jor-El‘s advice that the people of Krypton must immediately evacuate. Vond-Ah didn‘t think about the children of all ages.

[@sylvesterwilliams9531]

I wondered the same thing. Did some of the council members have an axe to grind against Jor-el? Or were they just scared to accept what he was telling them

[@Scorch1028]

The Kryptonians had no special powers that would have enabled them to survive their planet's destruction because they were millions of light-years from Earth's yellow sun. Essentially, if Superman travels "too far" from the yellow sun, he loses his powers.

[@petrstanovsky7648]

Joer El watching how Superman is doing on Earth: "Look how they improved my boy." 😂