Jordan Peterson - Can You Withstand Tragedy?

[@soulsuccess]

Life is so paradoxical... All throughout my youth I hated school and my teachers. Now, most of my time consists of listening to lectures that require endless introspection...

[@Dman9fp]

Use to think that, but the more I thought about it, think we naturally progress in life until we come upon the paradoxical parts of life (many if not most have seemingly counter-intuitive treatments/ solutions). That's where we get hung up, and of course notice it way more than perfectly intuitive stuff

[@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion]

Because you knew the education system was just programming through lies. As you grew you awakened.

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

You learned how to teach yourself, something the school system didn't want you to know. Have fun trying to swallow all of psychology, philosophy, mathematics, and physics before you die.

[@shmattice888]

Hahaha same

[@JuanMedina-ll5lr]

It’s ironic because when tragedy hit I resorted to Jordan Peterson lectures

[@absue]

As I am doing now

[@BestHKisDLM]

Im here too, to overcome the catastrophe.

[@lyndsieannette957]

My mom died. Here I am.

[@Aquietlyfrugallife]

Me too

[@michelleadams1212]

Same here

[@imranadjibrine5965]

No one has ever articulated my deepest thoughts on what to make of life as well as Jordan Peterson. And you’re telling me I get access to this and way more for free on youtube and the internet? No wonder why JP is a God sent individual to meaningfully and positively impact us individually.

[@benm7355]

His body language and hand gestures are so fascinating to watch

[@captainswan3079]

Yes they are!

[@Bella-cz6od]

Comments below: Why waste your energy on identity politics when Peterson is teaching you, about you, as the individual? Such valuable information you can take with you to solve major life obstacles of every sort, is being given here.

[@jonnycar5006]

bella , if this gentlemen taught every human , this world would be an outstanding enviroment ........

[@workinprogress0123]

Agree ... I agree!

[@saadnasir4276]

My GOD!!!!!!! Such clear, rational, and profound thinking.

[@HadesJambix]

This man is an absolute genius

[@marshmelows]

"The apocalypt, the ever present reality of the apocaliptic fall, the insufficiency of all potential conceptual schemes. Your conceptual schemes are insufficient to deal with the complexity of the world. You stop relying on your conceptual schemes. That's part of the solution. You instead start relying on your ability to actively generate conceptual schemes in the face of chaos and malevolence. This is how you can withstand tragedy and malevolance without becoming corrupt." PREACH

[@manny3095]

Peterson talks a lot about archetypes. Is there a book I could read where I could learn all about the many archetypes?

[@BitesizedPhilosophy]

Carl Jung's books are a perfect companion to Peterson's work. Instead of me giving you some titles, check out the reading list of Dr. Peterson: jordanbpeterson.com/2017/03/great-books/ Dr. Peterson also has his own book called 'Maps of Meaning - The Architecture of Belief'.

[@barrycrossnoe4801]

Google exists

[@loganschmidt4526]

Literally he bases it off of Carl Jungs archetypes look it up it’s a book

[@punkyfizzgig]

Joseph Campbell

[@majincroix]

@@punkyfizzgig I was gunna post this as well . The hero with a thousand faces is well worth reading ! Or his conversation turned into a transcript The Power Of Myth. You can watch that on KZbin too

[@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion]

There truly are 2 kinds of people in the world... those who prefer the power of personal responsibility and those who prefer coddling, laziness and turning caretaking over to their so called "experts" and "leaders." Now more than ever, the wicked rule the weak minded. I pray for more and more people to wake up.

[@AWildLukeAppeared]

When he sums up large chunks of your life in seven minutes.....

[@donkin2563]

Why does he have to be Canadian?!?! Wish could have a President Peterson 😔

[@briang.2218]

I think Peterson's doctrine is more about individual striving rather than structure-shaping, the latter of which is a duty more appropriate to presidents and political figures. Peterson is precisely where he ought to be: the university as a place of scholastic wisdom, declaring his ideas for the masses to hear and consider. (and of course if the university has lost that side of its functions, it is all the more important that his ideas be propagated there, that the stagnating institution might be rejuvenated)

[@susanmiller6870]

voice of reason

[@donkin2563]

@susanmiller6870 6 year update - very glad this guy isn't American, and isn't president, unstable loon

[@raginald7mars408]

In Training: Over compensation makes you stronger, tougher. Over rewarding makes you weaker and addicted to rewards. Enduring pain without rewards makes you wiser... Avoiding pain makes you dumber...

[@broberts1298]

Amazing how commenters have missed the meat of this info. A lot comment on the politics right away before thinking what this video is actually about. Don't fall for political/social division plans please!

[@BelialsGenuflect]

9:08 random call of duty hitmark sound

[@ibuprofen303]

8:13 - that haircut tho.

[@salazarpayne3784]

I think it is pretty fly. I would cut off half of my pinky if I could have that hair.

[@williamshakemilk2192]

@@salazarpayne3784 a very specific sacrifice, why not you whole pinky lol

[@ronniesimmonds9782]

@Alexander What insecurity of yours is fuelling such an aggressive judgement?

[@dead7781]

I've managed to reconcile evil, suffering and death, and have come to peace with them; accepted them. But man when it comes to tragedy, I just don't know what the hell is right and wrong at that point. I mean imagine you're walking to the store, and then out of nowhere for no reason get kidnapped, tortured and die a horrible death. This has HAPPENED many times, albeit rare. But there are numerous stories, and even videos, of innocent people dying horrible deaths or going through horrific events for no reason that they influenced. And I just can't reconcile that. It's made me really paranoid and not trusting of people. I've been shying away from the world ever since. Death is fine, I'm not afraid of it, I actually managed to accept it. But horrible torture, horrific pain that you know you don't deserve and there's nothing you can do about. That terrifies me.

[@riadsilva4777]

Health problems could lead to these feelings as well. I'm going through some health issues right now that I don't even know what are. Private health system is almost unaffordable in my situation, so I have to rely on the public healthcare which you have to wait years in a line to be treated. I feel a lot of symptoms like, tremors on the left side of my body, lost of eye sight, lost of short term memory and other shits. The fact that I'm only 20 yo makes it worst. Everyday I remember that old kid that I was, with a lot of aspirations and dreams, discovering the world with a bright eye. Some random memories of good times pop in here and there to haunt me, even my speech is not so eloquent as it use to be. I feel like fading away. It's hard to not fall on self pitying and to maintain hope in better days. But if It doesn't kill or creeple me, I'll turn in a tough guy at least. I think that the only solution is to face the pain, stare at the abyss with no blink, ruthless.

[@riadsilva4777]

@Luca Baki I hope you make it, man. Mine's just got worse since then. But I didn't lost my hope yet. After all, the only thing I can do is to not make what's already bad a living hell, as JP says.

[@markcarey67]

this man is a genius

[@ritika2563]

Catastrophe: belief in belief systems destroyed, bang ! U r in chaos! Because earlier you cud jump from one belief system to another, from one protective system to another.

[@hatejethro1164]

What if i know someone who has an illness, and i know the cure for it, but they consider it as hogwash, do i force it on them, or do i just let them face their own demise?

[@RustyShakleford1]

you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. it is painful to watch him die of thirst, you end up causing yourself and the other person grief trying to force a certain viewpoint onto them. best of luck to you in life

[@LesterBrunt]

What do you mean you know the cure for it? Is this a general philosophical question or do you mean you watched some youtube lecture or read some blogpost from some psycho who sells his overpriced books to desperate suffering people by scamming them to believe in “plant based medicine”?

[@waltz9230]

What does he mean by conceptual schemes exactly?

[@dn1697]

. The outstanding elements of our everyday conceptual scheme include spatial and temporal relations between events and enduring objects, causal relations, other persons, meaning-bearing utterances of others, and so on.

[@rohinipatel5840]

this one is brilliant.

[@jerrygreene1493]

[Can You Withstand Tragedy] Lets punch in at 1:00 to see what JP has to say: 'You can sacrifice your knowledge and reidentify with something rigid and restricted, people in Europe are returning to a regressive nationalism as an alternative to the current state of chaos, I understand that people need to identify with local groups, they risk the danger of making the state the ultimate God, but that is not a good replacement for chaos, too much order, too much chaos, both catastrophes, you have real strength between the two, even right wingers are after a safe place there is no safe places, do you really want a safe place, you want to be protected from threat, you are a paralyzed rabbit, you should confront malevolence, the solution to the problem of tragedy is to face it, now who would ever guess that, it is completely paradoxical suggestion, the more you confront tragedy the more you grow...every time you expose your child to something new, a playground of chaos and malevolence, kids play and have social structures...' [Any JP fan want to enlighten me as to how any of this qualifies as smart or useful to anyone in any situation? You grow if you confront tragedy and new things? A playground is a hotbed of chaos and malevolence? If I join a local group but that might actually result in the State becoming the ultimate God? Like which groups might turn into the ultimate God JP so I can stay away from them? A hiking group, a movie trivia group? Wow this guy is a super genius with helpful life advice.]

[@brigadierharsh1948]

The advice is helpful as long as you don’t approach it in the most smug way you can possibly can. His point is pretty clear, he is arguing that the way you deal with the inherent problems of life is to face them head-on and honestly. Sounds so simple it should go without saying right? Perhaps, but one quick look at how humanity addresses problems and you can see that this actually is something we need to be reminded of. His point about groups is that people often readily flock to join groups that they think will eases their problems or allow them to blame someone else for their problems in order to avoid actually having to address them. No matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on, you have to acknowledge that this is certainly an accurate assessment of our current dialogue. Our modern western societies often tell people that nothing is wrong with them and that they shouldn’t be expected to be better than they are, but saying problems do not exist does not erase them, so what Peterson is doing is arguing that modern social discontent is the result of failing to acknowledge the inherent problems of existence and therefore not attacking them head-on and honestly, thus creating a vacuum in which we can all gang up against one another blaming this group or that group or this system and that system. It is a very clear point. He talks like a continental philosopher writes, and yes that can make him needlessly wordy, but it doesn’t mean that there isn’t something there and the people who appreciate him are under the illusion that he is saying something smart just because he uses a lot of words. He talks about very abstract concepts, and similarly to continental philosophy, that inevitably leads to complicated sentences. Being to smug and dismissive to actually understand opposing viewpoints in good faith will only harm you in the end.

[@jerrygreene1493]

@@brigadierharsh1948 So give me an example in this or any JP video where he said something smart, precise, coherent, and useful. Paste the quote. Thanks.

[@ajmosutra7667]

Jord'n Petey is my homy!

[@introspectivecollective96]

Happy Father's Day Mr. P! I'd rescue you from the underworld fo sho.

[@ST-kr7hz]

checkout is 11am. check IN is at 3 pm

[@loejewis]

Belief systems always lead to suffering because they are never true. Only reality is true, and you cannot conceptualise reality. If you do conceptualise reality with a belief, you've missed the mark and you will suffer.

[@caydnlofton]

Joe Lewis So... Nihilism is the best answer you can come up with for life? "You can't conceptualize reality so why bother?" You can't prove anything about our reality outside of math to be true so why bother learning about physics? Physics is all theoretical, some theories are just consistent enough to name as laws. But again, why bother with even learning about that? One day you might realise that the earth isn't flat after all and then your scientific belief system is shattered. Dear God, that would be tragic! Of course belief systems lead to suffering. We walk around the world with a blindfold on, assume a path, and walk in that direction until we stub our toes. Then we feel around, change course and adjust our path until we stub our toes again. If you can't conceptualize reality it sounds like you need to open your senses up to outside information!

[@SultanSalahddin]

Clear , strong and invisible

[@maianhta6793]

Experienced this ...

[@rambojohnj.6117]

I have yet to watch the video (i certainly will eventually). I have had more than the average person’s number of tragedies in my adult life, and I have all but thrown in the towel with life. He spoker about coping strategies in another video, how one should “minimize” their lives so to speak to merely just one minute in front of them if thats all they can handle. I have tried that, but it is only a matter of time before the next life-altering thing that pushes me over the edge for good. I have accepted my life as finite, and am ok with it being over at my discretion.

[@jonnycar5006]

sound advise!!

[@wonburgandy2443]

People are wasted like mad because of the systems in place. That is probably the most true thing I have always thought but have never seen anyone (but this guy) actually articulate. It's sometimes a problem of efficiency. To be more efficient sometimes old structures need to be tore down that new ones can be built... It's hard to tear down old structures sometimes.

[@chrisstephenson869]

My mum dies this morning, I feel your pain

[@danjilosamiento6572]

So, if the parents make you weaker when you’ve hit the same limit they hit, then how do you regain that strength and continue to surpass that limit?

[@IAmHereForeve]

I believe you have to let go of everything that they have taught you and create new ideas and new solutions to the problems. Example: a Religious belief or this is how to do things or this is how we did it in our time.. when it no longer works.

[@FlexBeanbag]

@@IAmHereForeve kzbin.info/door/-VY81cp3P3vWVxT5o-MTxA

[@vishalSharma-ol9fl]

I couldn't get it. Can someone please help me?

[@davidgetui4924]

CAN MEANING IN LIFE BE DESTROYED

[@Dman9fp]

There is no inherent meaning in life. It's whatever you make of it. Should be more a relief than despair imo, would be lots of pressure and be more boring if there were only one way to truly live

[@dark_papi6914]

what does he mean by conceptual schemes?

[@FOURTEEFIVE]

who else got thrown off by the dude entering @08:18

[@salazarpayne3784]

Yep. Totally pissed me off. Peterson is a professional. He too was thrown off but stayed on point. Delivered it with excellence. A master of his craft. The world is a better place with his mind in it.

[@mcdude9578]

one solution: give other people a head start. it's like the story of the tortoise vs. the hare except in this case it'd be the tortoise slowing down for the hare. you gotta let the hare win a few races otherwise leisuer will overtake brilliance.

[@ojberrettaberretta5314]

i cant believe these students smh if i had the chance to study there id be 5 min there before he starts these students do not know how precious the knowledge they can get from jp is its a shame

[@binauralpiano]

We experience "consciousness" as the transcendence of a community of living things acting both in their highest individual efficiency and particularity, and for the collective good (preservation and perpetuation) of the colony. The individuals in this micro-'society' have transcended themselves into what a higher-scale of perception would perceive as appearing to be an singular entity (to be contrasted with the illusion of 'mind', or the 'ego'). As an extending and equivalent branch of this equilibrium, humanity will find its natural organisation, and its transcendence into a higher being. To recognise once more the living organism behind the simple label of the "State". The Natural order of things, eternal, timeless, infinite, beyond any ideology. Simply called "Nature". "God's consciousness", "Tao". The particular label is unimportant. The 'ego' lurks behind , anyway.

[@SaadAziz318]

Islam is the perfect solution for humans. The more I listen to Jordan Peterson the more I realise the wisdom behind Shariah.

[@peterhrhodes4359]

thanks bite sized

[@Smegma007]

5:40 lmao. Check Check Check Check Check.

[@adamscaife6931]

this man is a hero

[@chrissavage1449]

I am ANGRY that my parents never taught me this. >:(

[@LoveQuestWithLisaConcepcion]

When my female clients ask me where they can find the good high quality masculine men, I say... a Jordan Peterson lecture. And they say who??? And I say... watch Jordan Peterson and see one of his lectures.

[@SharkRecordFilms]

4:32

[@peterhrhodes4359]

Chuck Norris fell asleep, & the world relaxed

[@Razear]

Sort out your serpents and slay Tiamat with your sword of benevolence.

[@olahfsmart3630]

I failed to. I made things worse. I'm repairing from here.

[@mcdude9578]

how about, just believe in yourself?

[@John-ih7gp]

yes!!!! I was the 65th commenter!

[@the-chillian]

I had originally pointed this out in a reply to another comment, but then I noticed more than one person seemed confused on this point. "Right" and "Left" are used differently in the US than elsewhere. Neither American side are as statist as mainstream European factions. The European Right is even more statist than the European Left, and both are more statist than the American Left. In the European sense, it's absolutely incorrect to label fascism as "Left", as if statism were the only factor to consider. However, in the present American situation I have to say the Right is indeed looking to the state to solve all the problems, every bit as much as the Left. The difference is that they identify different problems. It's notable, given the context here, that what the Right wants is to turn America into almost a literal "walled garden". This cannot be done without an extremely powerful state behind the effort. Fact is, it's only a very small portion of what we might call the Right in America that genuinely wants small government. Those would be Libertarians -- and not all of whom approach Libertarianism from the Right. Most on the Right are in fact happy with a powerful government; they just don't like how that power is used when directed by the Left. (Note how hawkish they tend to be. A powerful military requires a powerful state as much as does a wall.)

[@sluggonotnancy6178]

The "right" does not want a "powerful government" in anything other than keeping and maintaining a strong military. We resent the "government" NOT enforcing laws that we already have to control immigration. We also do not like it when the "government" does NOT follow our founding documents on our Constitutional rights for everyone, but instead decides to pick "winners and losers" based on unfair racial and sexual quota systems and "set asides" for those that can not meet even minimum standards, yet DEMAND "equal representation" in every category of life. The liberal democrat agenda of FORCING everyone to live by THEIR radical ideals of "equality" (communism) is at the very root of the problems that America...as well as White Western Christian European societies are facing now. The liberals have imported problems and chaos where there were none before, , and need not be any now...and is generated by the world/United Nation's communist agenda against individual country's sovereignty. Petersen is a big part of that manufactured chaos.

[@hectorsalaz1]

Prof. Jordan thanks very much for these videos and your effort to help young people in Canada to take responsibility and stand firm for the foundations of our values as men, women and citizens of this country. I have only something to share with you. I have the impression that you are wrestling with the supernatural powers of God and the fact that he sent his son to die for us in the cross. However I see a lot of Christianity values in your teaching. Maybe the answer is that you have to be touched by the holy spirit to see clear the truth of God in all our existence. I agree with you that it is personal.

[@stuartmcdonald5172]

Short answer. No.

[@salazarpayne3784]

Why do I get the feeling that Jordan Peterson is Thomas Paine reincarnated?

[@KerboDrive]

Juden Peterstein

[@thegreenbikerider6189]

1st

[@umalbaneen3923]

This man frustrates me with all this positive talk of his.

[@stephenridley1153]

Chaos and Malevolence...or Brexit and Trump as they are better known! I've learned to live with them lol.

[@ronniesimmonds9782]

We live in a first world country with more priveleges than anyone else in any period of history

[@Rhettsta]

Regressive nationalism.

[@Foghorn436]

'oy' DaSIQjaj - (Klingon phrase)

[@computer59]

Jordan kinda sounds Kermit the frog if you turn off ur screen and listen to him lol

[@DrKrapulax]

"regressive nationalism" - to be blunt, eff you. Nationalism in European nation states is pretty normal and there's nothing regressive about it, in fact nationalism is the only thing that can save Europe at this point. The idea that nationalism is regressive implies that multiculturalism/globalism is the way to move forward, which is total bullshit. I get it that people living in "melting pots" like Canada or the US don't understand nationalism but that's not a good enough reason to fall for cultural marxist propaganda saying having separate nation states is something retrograde.

[@Chaotic4Neutral]

"nationalism is the only thing that can save Europe" tha'ts your ideology talking

[@DrKrapulax]

> Wildcard Wow, that's a freakin' easy answer, right? You can just dismiss anything I say without actually addressing a single word of it. The EU is clearly governed by an ideology hostile to its member states in that it promotes unlimited muslim immigration, the results are obvious to see, and the only protection against this is to kick the EU in the arse. Otherwise most of Europe will be governed by an islamic caliphate in less than 30 years. But I guess that's okay and I'm the caveman for wanting to resist the inevitable "progress"...

[@DrKrapulax]

> Richard Nixon Looking at the context I'm not convinced he meant it the way you take it, it can very easily be interpreted the way I did. If you wanted to imply nationalism is regressive in some context you'd say "regressive nationalism". Also, let's not start an argument about semantics or inane minutia just to derail the conversation, you and I both know that nationalism and nazism are not the same things. Lastly, this "triggered" nonsense is the lamest form of shaming attempt nowadays and it's kind of a logical fallacy as in it tries to win the debate not with arguments but by smearing the other party. Either debate like an adult or eff off.

[@Chaotic4Neutral]

That's all it takes man. If you're deluded enough to think "nationalism will fix everything" then there's no need to address anything else you pulled out of your a- I mean, stated as absolute truths. I'll argue with you when (if?) you stop with the fearmongering bullshit

[@Chaotic4Neutral]

Richard, my comment was meant for the OP

[@TheSequoiadave]

Wow, Dr. Peterson, I have liked all of your work up until now--and I have followed it extensively. However, I must say that you seem grossly ill-prepared for what you are discussing regarding nationalism. You are missing much foundation and background here.

[@eazye3635]

David Sc

[@olivesama]

Sounds like you enjoyed him up until he pointed out the downsides inherent in something you cherish.

[@Mailrobot]

I don't what's more pathetic: Peterson's simplistic pseudo Nietzschean ramblings or right wingers being offended because he criticizes their nationalism (which is what Nietzsche would have done anyway lol)

[@mcdude9578]

"waste people like mad" smfh. sorry bruh this sentence doesn't make sense although i support his videos i'm finding his disdain for nihilism and ultra christain views a bit radical.

[@WeirdoPsikopat]

Nope. You can't either.