Jordan Peterson DEBATES A Far-Leftist On Transgender Rights & Elliot Page

Jordan B Peterson debates a far-leftist on the Secular Talk channel, Krystal Kyle, on the complex issue of transgender rights and the significance of the Elliot Page controversy and the reason Jordan Peterson was banned from Twitter.
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[@AProudDad]

Ellen/Elliot Page was someone my sister looked up to and sighted. She was autistic, like myself, and very kind and open-minded. She got a therapist to affirm her gender dysphoria, and then had her breasts removed and started taking all the subsequent drugs. She then got into more and more drugs to cope with the severe amount of confusion and depression she, all the while raising a 4 year old child... my nephew. Her once husband also transitioned. My sister eventually drank herself to oblivion. She is permanently brain damaged. My nephew's father/mother moves away. Abandoning my nephew. I moved states to help take care of him. This is madness, and I know for a fact I'm not alone standing in the disaster zone.

[@tracygeddes5867]

Did you enjoy calling Elliot a her, projecting Your transphobic views onto him in order to show that your good common sense is the only way forward.

[@elsalmon_]

I hope you can become the guide, companion and friend that kid needs. He will grow up to realize how depraved his parents were/are. Be there for him!

[@AProudDad]

@elsalmon_ thank you. 🤟🏻

[@kevinsedwards]

She's lost. Sorry.

[@AbesYoutube]

THANK YOU for adding context by sharing your personal testimony to how this toxic ideology is impacting society. The virtue signalling muppets NEED TO have the COST of their foolishness thrown in their teeth. If only to help balance the emotional pull of surgical solutions to emotional issues.

[@carolyns99]

Moral cowards who "don't hava a stance or opinion" on these things are why we are in this shit fight.

[@GinoIose]

That liar has a stance. He just know he would only do harm to the left by debating Jordan Peterson smh.

[@crbondur]

@@GinoIose BINGO! His language choice clearly indicates his position.

[@calypsoinferno]

Exactly! As a gay person I'm so tired of being conflated with the trans issue. Innate sexuality vs. body dismorphic transgender issues are not the same and should not be lumped together. Bravo Dr Peterson!

[@xavieryates9782]

I agree, but the masses consume propaganda. At the end of the day it is propaganda, and only the propaganda, that infiltrates the psychologies of the illiterate and uneducated, and the propagandistic 'LGBTQIA+' acronym does, in fact, lump all of those otherwise disparate groups of people into an extremely bizarre, and sometimes quite effervescent, concoction.

[@deeveevideos]

Exactly. It would demolish that community because you could simply say you're not gay you just in the wrong body.

[@righteousshift482]

I agree these issues shouldn't be lumped together. I also think trans people are a vital and interesting part of human society. Humans are very complex and when people are treated poorly because they differ from the mainstream, we smother that talent instead of nurturing it. It wasn't so long ago attitudes like Peterson's caused the British government to chemically castrate Alan Turing for being gay, and he then killed himself. Crazy that we lost perhaps the single most important figure in WWII and general computing because there was no acceptance that people are more complex sexually than the Conservative zeitgeist was willing to permit. Peterson would do well to learn from this and translate the lessons to modern society where the unwillingness to acknowledge and encourage different ways of being could be massively holding us back from tapping into talents like Turing.

[@clivespendlove5993]

@@righteousshift482 I'm a gay man and I've no idea why you associate Peterson with the chemical castration of Turing. (I don't concur with Peterson on some things but I can't see for they life of me how he could possibly be accused of that)

[@EarlHayward]

@@righteousshift482 Let me correct you, people are vital to society; their sexual orientation or identification has nothing to do with their ability to produce… I would take a homosexual or transgender programmer that understood line of business application development in C# for a software developer position over a white male that doesn’t understand procedural versus object oriented programming languages… I don’t care what someone believes, or feels, but I do care about their skills, knowledge, and experience… As a socially liberal but fiscally conservative individual I do not conform to either political party… Frankly, I believe most people,e share that view… However, we have a fringe, extreme leaning, group that wants affirmation and for most others to believe the same they believe…

[@Pyregazer]

My generation absolutely did not want a label put on us; This generation, all they want is to be labeled.

[@AnonJohn143]

We just wanted to get loaded and have a great time with people we trusted, enjoyed and learnt something from on a great night out. That was before Instagram...

[@user-et2fj8xm5l]

And label everything and everyone else

[@loubieloujones5698]

This is so true. I will never forget my daughter coming home from high school and saying that 'everybody wants to have something wrong with them these days, mum, it's a thing' I was completely baffled. It's nuts.

[@PaulMclauchlin]

They have perceived that they can accrue social status from these labels.

[@michaelblaine6494]

Coming of age in the 1990s it’s really sad to see what is happening now. We were all about being an individual and not blindly following the herd and it’s now the opposite,everyone wants to be a clone of each other down to everyone all talking like they’re on the same tv show. It’s like they think there required to talk that way. Sometimes I feel like I’m from 15 years in the future where everything current has aged horribly but no one knows it yet,the way todays culture works it causes things to become dated really quickly

[@trishlangford5773]

Trans affirming surgery is like telling an anorexic that they are indeed Fat. It's criminal.

[@JohnAmphetterman]

true, and then giving them unnecessary liposuction!

[@phadley78tube]

Wow very interesting and accurate analogy!

[@sjohnson5813]

It's more like giving an anorexic invasive surgery that would help them their disease

[@Ramrodthedestroyer]

😂😂 well said

[@PandarenCH]

We must disavow Everyone that supports this trans stuff. Call people out. They are evil and unresponsible

[@ipfreely3984]

I got a silly tattoo when I was 15. I'm glad it was just a tattoo. We make poor choices when we're young.

[@byMRTNjournals]

I got a big tattoo of my favourite band at 18. They turned crap. In Flames. It was In Flames

[@DarlingDaintyfoot]

& a tattoo _is_ removable... It's not easy, but also not impossible. Once you remove healthy body parts, they're removed.... You're never getting that back.

[@Jayrod1020]

I can relate

[@AnonJohn143]

Its your choice to do irreversible changes to your own body when you are an adult when you know the affects. But if you influence children to do so, it's the moral equivalent of putting a cigarette in a child's mouth.

[@jedjones9047]

Do what you want when you're 21 prison sentences for anyone pushing this on young people.

[@benfaunce7496]

First it was tolerate, then it was accept. It grew to submit, as they seek to convert children. Now resistance is imperative.

[@barnabasmurphy8496]

I think this in The Book of Revelation, in The Book of Revelation, there is one child mentioned, that child is Jesus Christ, caught up into Heaven. There are no children mentioned in The Book of Revelation, there was one child Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. So where are the children in The Book of Revelation, easy answer, when The Lord our God cursed the people he made it so the people had no food to eat, starvation and drought and diseased, it was the children that was the food and after that they were killing each other as food. Read The Book of Revelation.

[@asjahbrown]

No, children were all caught up in the rapture. Nobody is eating children in the tribulation…

[@pary327]

I like the way Jordan Peterson pauses and thinks long and hard before he answers a question. More people should do this.

[@rebekahdavis5935]

Agreed

[@highroller-jq3ix]

Did he think long and hard before his moronic, pointless hate post?

[@albuquerquehotspot7835]

@@highroller-jq3ixyou clearly didn’t think long and hard before coming and dropping a useless, uninformed comment without any material substance or citation to back your claim 😂. PS. We all know you’re not a high roller.

[@jimcampbell8061]

I would be hopeful that more people listen to Doctor Peterson.

[@highroller-jq3ix]

@@jimcampbell8061 Why would you hope that more people listen to a discredited, unethical, wingnut ideologue masquerading as an objective intellecutal?

[@-8h-]

You can't feel like you're in the wrong body because you never experienced the other body type and never will. You're only experienced with one body, and who doesn't feel uncomfortable with themselves at some point in life?

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

This is exactly what I keep telling people.

[@tracygeddes5867]

You can’t because you are not dysphoric,…dysphoric means you feel the other body type and never will feel the one that is supposed to fit your sex. Amazing how we know the mind of another more than they do!

[@ulrichenevoldsen8371]

@@tracygeddes5867 it's not logical what you claim. You have never been in the opposite body so you can't know.

[@tracygeddes5867]

@@ulrichenevoldsen8371 that is precisely my point neither have you, so enough!. This is an irrational hate fest on a minority. Remember Peterson was scolded from using the pronouns that caused hurt, shame and embarrassment to a transgender and he is angry ,I get that. He wants to rationalise his extreme anger so he is trying to win his argument by winning allies. If he can prove that the transgender position is an error. Does not deserve consideration so that others follow him down the invalidation path then somehow his bruised ego is satiated. Do we need to be led by the nose into his delusional hate fest or should we stop and think. What the heck am I buying into. These are real people who live their reality and just because we may not understand them and what drives them, we may feel uncomfortable with them it does not give us the right to vent our fears at their expense.

[@MizJaniceResinArt]

We all feel uncomfortable in our bodies at some point.... usually puberty is All about being uncomfortable in the body. It's changing. A lot. It can be confusing. It's shocking to me that medical "professionals" are just going along with it.

[@Absynthe23]

Thank you Jordan Peterson for being an unapologetic voice of reason in these crazy, crazy times.

[@santosmadrigal3702]

Ellen Page was such a pretty girl . I can't forget . Wokness does not allow a girl to be pretty . So now she is a surgical mess .

[@ddhqj2023]

Peterson is grotesque and pompous. He loves the sound of his own voice and instead of speaking clearly, he goes on and on and on...... He's tiresome and practises what he rales against, freedom of speech unless he doesn't like what you say about him and then he sues. Lies about Bill B16, NO MENTION of pronouns. Screams at identity politics and then practises it daily when he gets his panties in a wad about 'the lefties' and hating them, etc.

[@CarlFredrik-uo1cu]

JP is the guy who said that: "It is impossible to stop smoking without having a supernatural/mystical experience" (in his Matt Dillahunty debate) "Sam Harris is not an atheist, he is religious deep down, he just doesn't know it yet." & "Atheists are the ones who rape, murder and steal."(when he was on the Dave Rubin report) "Humans can see down to the micro-level (DNA, molecules etc.) with their bare eyes" (His conversation (monologue) with Richard Dawkins.) "Alberta is larger than Texas." (in his Matt Dillahunty debate) "There's no such thing as climate. Climate means everything, which also means that it means nothing." (On hist last JRE appearance) "If you don't want to have children, then you are a dilluded, immature, and selfish person." "DID that happen?? Well that depends what you mean by "that", and what you mean by happen." And he compared climate scientists to Hitler. (in his debate with Destiny) "I don't believe facts necessarily are true" (In one of his earlier conversations with Sam Harris) JP is saying so much weird and incorrect shit.

[@CarlFredrik-uo1cu]

Why was my comment removed?

[@highroller-jq3ix]

Right? Some young people choose to follow Peterson.

[@caseyporter1235]

I have stage 4 prostate cancer and have been on hormone treatment for 2 years. My hormone treatment is the same drug they give to young boys as puberty blockers. This is criminal considering what I have experienced taking this drug. My body has completely changed, I lost muscle mass, I have enlarged breasts. My genitals have shrunk to the size of an adolescent boy. I create no semen. I have no sex drive. I have hot flashes and extreme mood swings. Giving this drug to young boys will do the same and have even greater damage as they never go through puberty. This should be outlawed now, just like in Europe,,,,

[@caseyporter1235]

@Millionairementorr Why?

[@Gingerblaze]

@@caseyporter1235 why do you believe it should be legal?

[@caseyporter1235]

@@Gingerblaze Where did I say it should be legal? I said it should be outlawed for use as a puberty blocker for underaged boys....

[@meepo262]

That sounds really tough man, sorry you have to go through that. I hope your cancer goes into remission and you can get some relief from those issues.

[@Anita1984isuponus]

That sounds awful man I hope you get better and can stop the hormones. The doctors must know that this harms children. In addition to all the effects you mentioned, it also stops the bones from growing and getting stronger. Criminal

[@RandomRads]

This is gold. Please guys, understand how mass hysteria works. Dr. Peterson is on spot.

[@beeftimer]

Dude, this guy is a COMPLETE lightweight against Jordan Peterson. This is like breaking out the SWAT team to take down a lemonade stand: it's just not necessary.

[@tracygeddes5867]

There is some very heavyweight transphobia going on here, funny that the lives of others are seen as just cheap talking points in a transphobic hate fest.

[@jennzenn971]

I wouldn't say Jordan Peterson is transphobic nor the majority of the population. I think there is 2 seperate issues here. The issue of children versus adults "transitioning". Whatever you feel about adults transitioning is a totally different issue when it comes to allowing children to do same. Or more importantly allowing adults/parents/doctors & even schools to make decisions for children that are not in their best interests & in some cases the parents of school going children are not even informed their child is/has changed their pronouns. This is wrong. Whatever way you look at it or however you try to justify it. Children are not capable of making these life changing decisions & neither are the adults around them. Its wrong. Can we at least agree on that? The issue of adults transitioning is an issue in itself but we'r talking about children here. And they are two separate issues.

[@jennzenn971]

​@@tracygeddes5867..

[@beeftimer]

@@jennzenn971 You replied directly to me, but I'm going to assume you were actually responding to the simple-minded person, @tracygeddes5867 - you know, the one that apparently thinks terms like "transphobia" actually still carry any weight, but (just like the terms racist, hero, rapist homophobe, white supremacist, Nazi, etc etc etc) they've lost their impact and usefulness/utility as meaningful terms because, like the girl who cried wolf, they've been incorrectly applied SO MANY TIMES that it has rendered them ineffective and so now their only utility is to shout down those with whom people like her disagree without having to make the first coherent argument? Sorry for the run-on sentence. But yeah, I think that was who you were actually responding to because Jordan Peterson is the one single person on this planet with whom I have yet (so far) to disagree even once.

[@Swoledup1]

Phobia is a fear, NO ONE is fearing delusional individuals who think they're the opposite sex. Transphobia is just a buzz word created by some liberal idiot.

[@theshootindutchman]

Love Jordan Peterson🙏

[@reallythere]

A surgeon does a bariatric weight loss surgery on an anorexic young woman who then parades herself with her new weight loss surgery in a magazine. Would people say the surgeon did harm? What about the magazine?

[@erindeerhart5538]

"Nobody can argue my leftie credentials..." Seriously, the hoops people have to jump through these days to appease the so-called "left". 🙄

[@TheMary0831]

Anyone who can't operate without labeling themselves is brainwashed IMHO.

[@jamessheridan4306]

"Well, the trans community is like the gay community in that..." NO THEY'RE NOT!!!

[@skippyhandleman1625]

more and more I see the gay community hating on the trans community and labels them as a group of borderline personality disordered narcissists.

[@benshithero3037]

They claim it's different THIS time, every single time.

[@tbone541]

They both believe they are something they are not in any way.

[@tbone541]

You must be pro transgender... A woman is a woman and a man is a man... It's science... Stop trying to make people think that there's something else.

[@craigster1234]

@@tbone541 BS

[@Souloux]

Amazing how they don't want to be confined to checkboxes but have no issue tell others how many group identities, checkboxes, they fit into.

[@TheMary0831]

Just about all of their beliefs contradict themselves. The resulting cognitive dissonance is what makes them so angry all the time.

[@bt6904]

I love Jordan Peterson. Such valid/reasonable points were made. Kudos to the guy interviewing him for allowing him to speak. Thank you for sharing

[@LoveFreak18]

10:18 I wonder if we as a society need to stop this line of thought "as long as you aren't impacting other people I don't care what you do" it seems to me that all this lack of caring what our neighbors are up to has only resulted in a more divided and less compassionate culture.

[@alienbotfarm187]

people who say that, as soon as its in thier front yard they are calling the cops and reporting it and getting it out thier front lawn. its metaphorical my answer. i have seen this on youtube a bunch of times... until they have whatever they dont care about in front of thier face then it immediately becomes a hugest issue

[@3rdEyeWide]

There are very few major actions that don't impact other people in some way (family, friends, work colleagues etc). Alot of the times we can't see - or refuse to accept - the impact our decisions has on others. We are social, empathetic creatures more akin to lions in a pride - relying on each other for the group's overall welfare - than a solitary tiger stalking through the jungle on it's own.

[@napoearth]

I agree. Unless you're a complete hermit, a lot of what you do affects other people in some manner even if you think it doesn't.

[@dewaynethomas7729]

​@@napoearthEverything we do as human beings has an effect on someone else. People don't want to hear it but sin has an adverse effect on society. The wages of sin is death, so that is the first adverse effect. Sexually transmitted disease is an adverse effect on humanity. Murder has an adverse effect on humanity. The list goes on and it is all because of the hatred of GOD'S righteous plan: first by the Serpent and then by man. Everything to do with all this sexual perversion cam 15:09 e straight from fallen angels. They contaminated the human blood line. That is what brought GOD'S wrath and will again. GOD loves His human creation but HE hates the sin we commit and because He is a Holy and Just GOD He must judge sin.If we don't repent and turn to the propituation for our sin then we must receive the wages sin requires,death. Not just physical death but spiritual death. Unrepentant sinners are dead men walking. Walking the green mile!

[@rebekahdavis5935]

You have to be careful with the opposite of that line of thinking as well because someone could always come up with a reason why they don't like what you're doing. If you value freedom this is a dangerous and slippery slope into authoritarianism. There are clear ways that this gender movement is actually hurting people and sliding into authoritarianism. Those should be used to debate this and not "it just makes me uncomfortable" as soon as it's you that believes in and likes to do something that hurts nobody but makes someone else uncomfortable than of course you would be upset that your freedoms are violated. People are losing sight of the point of having a republic of the people and debating from emotional viewpoints only. This is dangerous whether it is coming from the far right or the far left.

[@AnonJohn143]

Thankfully it's now being understood as child abuse, by most decent people at least.

[@brianbaldwin1217]

I watched a separate debate along similar lines in which one person mentioned this important stat - There has never been a successful sex-change operation because it can not be done.

[@TalkingWeirdStuff24]

I'd be interested in seeing that debate. Maybe I misunderstand it because I am not a medical person, but when I read about the effects of physical transition (hormones, surgery) I am seriously inclined to say that NO ONE should be allowed to undergo it, not even adults, no matter how old they are: it is simply too destructive to the body/mind to ever be considered ethical, in my opinion. Some people talk about medical transition though it can be done on one's own, as though these people are making their own hormones and performing their own surgeries on themselves with no outside help. This is simply not true; teams of people are required produce, prescribe, and deliver medications, and teams of people are required to perform any surgery. 'Trans' medications and surgeries are not some exception to this rule.

[@Bleepbloopblappp]

@@TalkingWeirdStuff24yeah and it’s big time booming business. Why do you think this is really happening? Because a huge percentage of people are truly freaks of nature, or because it’s extremely profitable to those in charge of the society ?

[@TalkingWeirdStuff24]

@@Bleepbloopblappp Oh I know there are Big Bucks behind the Trans Medicine Industry. But that was not what I was attempting to address with my comment: I was meaning to address the people I have seen who are staunchly against transitioning children, but say that once one reaches some age of majority (usually 18 or 25) that they should be allowed to transition. I was trying to get across that what I understand of the effects of medical transition is that it is incredibly damaging and has minimal to no positive effects, and so should not be allowed regardless of age. It is difficult to find this information now, as I suspect it is largely repressed, but I am pretty certain I have seen data that suggests that medical transition provides NO benefits except perhaps very temporary, short-term relief: it damages the body and the mind, and does not prevent su*c*dal ideation, therefore, what is the positive effect of it and why should it be allowed? I was aiming my argument at the everyday person who thinks that medical transition is ever acceptable, not at the medical complex honchos.

[@sstaners1234]

“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.” - Hunter S Thompson

[@makeba133]

If an adult started cutting off a finger every month. I think someone would admit them. So that is stopping them.

[@Gingerblaze]

Unfortunately, a man in Canada just had two of his fully functional and healthy fingers (middle and ring fingers) amputated because of a psychological issue of body integrity disorder.

[@gordonturner3554]

Why a talented surgeon would waste his/her time on these nuts is beyond me. There are far more normal people that reguires their talents to simply save their lives. They are doing HARM, contrary to the oath.

[@ronwatford7331]

Because doctors and lawyers aren't doctors and lawyers anymore. They got the job for money, as we were all told as kids that doctors and lawyers got the most money. Lawyers have the added "benefit" of being able to move up the political ladder...and as a result, make yet more money.

[@wellyforpm]

Putting Kyle Kulinski up against Jordan Peterson is like putting Forrest gump against plato.

[@borysnijinski331]

LGBTQ is a fashion and people claim to be LGBTQ just to be part of today’s cool.

[@PotatoMan518]

you don't have any proof for that

[@janet6962]

Thanks. That was a good analysis by you. P.S. The trans surgery is PRITZKER. JB PRITZKER is the governor of Illinois and that family is e^il and their money funds the hospitals that do these e^il surgeries. Very, very, VERY so much so. It's pritzker's brother who became a woman. They are co mmie s. and NOBODY talks about them.

[@lavenderbee3611]

This ideology is extremely well funded, it's important to follow the money to see where it leads. Pritzker is most definitely one of the sources. Thank you.

[@TrudiRodger]

Jennifer Bilek has lots of info on the money behind the trans industry.

[@janet6962]

@@TrudiRodger Thank you!

[@wickedbird1538]

😮😮If children take sterilizing drugs and brutal surgery, then those children lose the chance to decide as adults on having their own children before changing their identity.

[@TallisKeeton]

and thats the goal :) besides money :)

[@miaschoolbillsfinanceallre1655]

Thank you, Jordan Peterson, for being consistently moral and compassionate.

[@LoveFreak18]

13:29 That does not make sense at all, gender is not a feeling, you don't feel man like you feel happy or sad or angry. Trans, from all I have heard, seems to be a response to external stimuli, either the individual doesn't conform to the rigid gender stereotype imposed upon them by society and feels a need to change outward appearances to better conform to expectations or in some cases there a monetary motivation with Dylan Mulvaney and Lia Thomas, no bodies before they transitioned who gained overnight fame after "transitioning."

[@Souloux]

Correct, but that's what they've done with the word 'gender'. It's their replace for 'how I feel at this moment'.

[@jiminauburn5073]

Exactly. I am a man. It is something that I happen to be. I have brown hair. I do not feel like I have brown hair. It is just a biological fact. What does it mean to feel like a man or woman? I feel like me. That is all. Does it feel differently if you are Asian or black?

[@LoveFreak18]

@@jiminauburn5073 Maybe the skin feels a bit different or reacts differently to sunlight and certain topical creams.

[@magnvss]

Saying that trans people are like gay people (in the so called “communities”, as if they all think or want the same) is like saying that Indian people and Chinese people do speak Japanese because they are all Asians: is having no clue at all.

[@elindquist5725]

Unfortunately the Hippocratic oath is no longer recited by students coming out of medical school.

[@mgdarenz]

It's the Hippocratic oath, named after Hippocrates. Hypo, as in hypocrisy is from a totally different Greek root. Hypo (hupo) is the preposition meaning 'under.'

[@elindquist5725]

@@mgdarenz Thanks for catching that. lol. Still, no longer recited by medical students coming out of school.

[@mgdarenz]

@@elindquist5725 I've been wondering about that for awhile now. I'll confirm. I'm not surprised if it isn't. That's "nothing is sacred" post-modernism for you. Nietzsche warned about it.

[@elindquist5725]

@@mgdarenz I can confirm directly from the source, my wife is a physician.

[@mgdarenz]

@@elindquist5725 So, what did your wife and her med school graduating class recite? The Physician's Pledge or The Physician's Oath?

[@anthonykelly3175]

Paige looks eternally miserable now

[@anonaymoust864]

I like how Mr. Peterson stands his ground😌 just look at the facts 💯🔥

[@RandyBryan-q9s]

Does anyone not know that children, being influenced by adults, tend to grow up and do what those adults have influenced them to do?

[@buddyrichable1]

Many people who have undergone transition surgery, male to female and vice versa have experienced horrific problems such as recurring infections and foul odours from their genitals. Many have hair growing inside their constructed vaginas. Perhaps the worst after effects are loss of sexual arousal and pain or sensitivity around their genitalia. There would be no issue if surgeons weren't performing these Frankenstein surgeries.

[@АлексейТабаков-ы8в]

How "many" exactly? Yeah, I don't like bottom surgery either (as you mostly referring most to that stuff probably), but personally breast surgery and HRT is fine to me (but you can argue with that, that's fine, we can all have our own opinions). Also these Daily Wire pundits also entice some of their fans to call bomb threats to the clinics (very rational and mentally well), maybe soon this would be an actual terrorism instead of just scary words.

[@carolyns99]

@@АлексейТабаков-ы8в You ask for specifics of "how many". Please provide specifics of Daily Wire pundits enticing their fans to call in bomb threats.

[@АлексейТабаков-ы8в]

@@carolyns99 So Boston's pediatric Hospital (and probably others as well) story in 2022, hmm? Even if someone is against medicalization of the youth, that's doesn't excuses threat of violence.

[@carolyns99]

@@АлексейТабаков-ы8в Yes you are right. Threats of violence are wrong. You have specified one incident, and "and probably others" is not evidence of anything. Now, please show evidence that anyone at Daily Wire "enticed" the perpetrator to do it. I don't know, maybe they did, but you can't demand specifics regarding numbers of those with transition regret and then immediately segue into accusing people of inciting terrorism without any proof. So please provide it.

[@marysueeasteregg]

@@АлексейТабаков-ы8в Threats of violence are abhorrent. But condemning something is NOT the same as enticement to violence.

[@jasongarrett5437]

The “trans community” is the only cohesive group that disagrees on everything. Try to nail them down on anything. They all think something different. The only thing that community agrees on is what makes you trans; you’re trans if you have ever had a mundane emotion or feeling about yourself.

[@rebekahdavis5935]

They literally created a word for people including people that consider themselves trans that believe that in order to be trans you should suffer from severe gender dysphoria. a rational viewpoint, I would think but they call those people TRUSCUM. Pronounced like ' true scum ' . This is what you are called in support groups if you don't think that any and all people that have a feeling about their bodies should be able to be considered trans. Then you are kicked out of the support group for hurting someone's feelings for having that belief. Actual experience I heard about from someone who thought she may be trans and went to a support group. In that group there was also an older biological male who was dating a minor girl and thought this was perfectly fine because he's actually a woman and therefore not a threat and it's not grooming....

[@trex19681]

It cant be only coincidence that my teenager's school is half trans and gay. Almost every kid he knows has different pronouns, crossdresses or is trying same sex. 50% is just not natural. They are all addicted to tiktok and other social media though.

[@skippyhandleman1625]

Ellen PAge looks haggard now. She was such a beautiful woman and she ruined her life being sanctimonious.

[@ncrob391]

She's probably realizing that no matter how she's changed her body, her underlying emotional issues have remained. It's the main reason some people eventually detransition.

[@TechnoMema]

Look up how many drugs a child that transition will have to take for the rest of their lives; how many health issues they will have to endure; who stands to benefit from making children eunuchs?

[@zeenuf00]

It's social contagion, and anyone who promotes it is going to hell.

[@sycamoreflynn]

It’s social contagion and there is no hell.

[@zeenuf00]

@@sycamoreflynn midwit take on the last part

[@PotatoMan518]

good thing that hell isn't real and is only in fairy tales

[@zeenuf00]

@@PotatoMan518 therefore it isn't social contagion? Is that your argument?

[@rommelfcc]

😱😳😱😳 Pink Floyd - leave them kids alone...😡🤬👿👺💢

[@nekvek123]

Back in the early 2000s...it was reported that Brittany Spears had gotten plastic surgery for breast implants...overnight, a large majority of high school girls felt self-conscious about their breast and wanted to have implants as well...if you really want to tell me that these peoplebdo not know what they are doing when they have some level of influence around their community into following them in their journey, then that seems delusional...

[@chrissyvanhoek2254]

Biological women are the victims in this😢😢😢 in the poor children

[@RussellRimovsky]

That guy falls back on stupidity. Well Im just a dummy, who am I to have an opinion that disagrees with someone.

[@LordHolley]

I know several gay people, and my wife is also very involved with the LGBTQ community. We are not liberals by any stretch. I believe from my experience that most of the community just wants to be treated fairly and not be discriminated against. They don't want a bunch of attention, and they definitely do not agree with pushing these beliefs on young adults. I have heard several tell me that these activist types that are trying to push this on young adults are disgusting. I thought I should share that for what it's worth.

[@clivespendlove5993]

I was a mental health nurse and eventually worked in a mental health service only with gay people because of the much higher rates of depression, anxiety, self-harm, substance misuse and suicidality. Trans people also experience high rates of those kinds of problems and similarly need help and support for those but the problems related to body dysmorphia are very different. I've been out as gay since 1977 but I''ve never been sure that an LGB 'community' actually exists, even less LGBTQ+. Discrimination is a commonality of experience of those two groups but I could equally say I have experienced discrimination in common with, say, disabled people yet there's no 'LGBD' community.

[@m.p.7075]

I miss the old school gays from the 90's or 2000's. We used to meet them in the streets after the bars had closed, they'd make a few sexually aggressive jokes - everybody laughed and got on with their lives and it was seldom that anyone changed their sexual orientation after such an encounter😂. We definitely had a short time where people generally just wanted to get along.

[@toni6053]

I'm a Lesbian for me there is nothing after LGB and I'm sick of straight people thinking they are being 'kind' by force teaming me with the TQblah blah blah. Gender ideology is deeply homophobic and misogynistic and pushed primarily by paraphilic heterosexual men. They knew that if they attached themselves to us people wouldn't question it and sure enough here we are.

[@clivespendlove5993]

@@m.p.7075 I can assure you there are plenty of us who still do!

[@fatmonkey4716]

​@@clivespendlove5993The alphabet community has been trying to make their deviance popular for over 20 years now. You can't take it back when you find out the poor consequences of your actions. If you truly despised the way that group is acting, you wouldn't be volunteering your qualifications to that group.

[@cindyduncan7049]

There are plenty of young women who want hysterectomies, but can't get them because they are still child bearing age.

[@ghanaserapis999]

All of you are confusing the finish line with the race. This is about turning the plus into the capital P. FFS, this IS about the children, and fucking them, LEGALLY!

[@jimcampbell8061]

Adults should pay for their own elective surgeries....

[@johnbland1422]

The Drs would go broke. I don't think my insurance should pay either.

[@marysueeasteregg]

"Elective" does not mean "cosmetic" (or whatever you seem to think the term means). *"Elective" surgery means any surgery that is non-urgent/non-emergency.* MANY elective surgeries involve serious conditions, or conditions that seriously effect the quality of life. You would deny people insurance coverage for hip and knee replacements? Gallstone and kidney stone surgery? Surgeries for cataracts, strabismus, glaucoma or macular degeneration? Surgery to treat or remove precancerous conditions? Breast reconstruction after mastectomy? Biopsies of whatever type? Surgery for undescended testicles (which are high risk of turning cancerous)? Hernia repair? Spinal fusion surgery for severe scoliosis? Surgery for women suffering pain or infertility from endometriosis? Hemorrhoid surgery? Removal of adenoids to correct sleep apnea? Ear tube surgery for children with recurrent ear infections? Anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction? Tommy John surgery? And so on. A few on this list are done mostly on children, rather than adults. These are all ELECTIVE, most of the time. Many are more safely performed on an elective basis than waiting for the condition to progress or become an actual emergency.

[@jimcampbell8061]

@@marysueeasteregg well let's replace ( in this context ) the word elective with the more correct term, unnecessary. Surgery to simply reinforce someone's delusions should be restricted to adults with their own money to pay the bill

[@jimcampbell8061]

@@marysueeasteregg You're just being silly. You know goddam well that there is a huge difference between "gender affirming" atrocities and surgeries people actually need. People who want doctors to provide mastectomies on healthy breasts in clear violation of the Hippocratic oath should not be billing anyone.

[@marysueeasteregg]

@@jimcampbell8061 I agree. Cosmetic surgeries are not generally covered by insurance.

[@marlsborough5347]

These procedures on adults ARE affecting everyone else as it is increasing the financial burden on everyone else by turning them into lifelong patients, frequently with very debilitating and horrendous complications.

[@leacebee5892]

I respect and admire Jordan but sometimes he comes off in a negative way. In my opinion, the person interviewing him is being respectful and not interuppting him. Yet Jordon isnt showing that same respect back. He interuppts the interviewer several times. Yes, their opinions are totally different but being able to have a mature, mutually-respectful discussion is key. I hope JP sees this and can perhaps not get so angry over discussions. PS - i wouldn't label the interviewer as "Far-Left" either.

[@leacebee5892]

@HowardNichols-gx7tl i agree. Maybe its just because JP is simply annoyed but do you see what I'm saying in regards to this clip? Do you agree the interviewer was at least being polite and respectful? He allowed JP to not only finish his comments but also didn't make a big deal when JP interrupted him. All I'm saying is that JP is loved so much (me included) that some fans have that He Can Do No Wrong attitude. That's all I'm trying to say. I mean no disrespect to either men.

[@jennmcdavitt3782]

But they are harming someone else. They are bringing children into it

[@vinnyganzano1930]

Ellen Page is a star? What did I miss? Mass hysteria is the best description of the massive increase in trans identifying youngsters that I've heard yet.

[@tylertorch5914]

Yeah the drs are doing the same for adults though. My friend with trauma, depression, anxiety, bpd, shes gay, autistic, fits EVERYTHING FOR THE CONTAGION. And drs transitioned her. THAT IS DOING HARM. Even at 30

[@chizzy201179]

His moral compass when it comes to children in this debate is bang on. So baced on this particular debate, he's on the correct side. The people who are feeding these ideals to confused children and even more so the doctors who do the surgery are vile.

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

They belong in jail.

[@HankD13]

Its a money making business and that is what is driving this. Agree - adults and kids should be kept totally separate. As for adults, we would intervene to stop them harming or trying to kill themselves. Hypocritic oath to do no harm really comes into question with this kind of surgery. The growing number of horror stories slowly coming out from tragic de-transitioning youth. That is something that does not get any where near enough coverage.

[@olliemoose2020]

If you give certain people in inch they will take a mile every time.

[@TheGamerZapocalypse]

..."Transitioning" implies changing from a man to a woman or woman to a man...that's the first lie

[@ameliajane345]

I agree that the conversations regarding children and adults should be discussed separately, BUT they are BOTH necessary conversations to have. The adults who ‘transition’ do harm to themselves and others, that should not be dismissed

[@jamesnash6882]

There is no conversation your either a man or a woman end of conversation

[@RobertC.CurranIII]

Never gonna call Ellen Elliott nor pay to watch anything it stars in ever again which is to bad she was a good actress but apparently Hollywood did bad things to her as a child

[@fionaatkins]

EVERY ideology should be up for open well-reasoned and constructive debate. The current push for shutting down anyone who dares to object, or to even question the outright affirmation of people with gender dysphoria that they actually ARE the gender they identify with, whether that be via social exclusion, legislation or corporate policies has the potential to cause harm to more people than it allegedly tries to help. Biological women are probably the largest group of people who are experiencing the negative effects from this. Biological females have fought hard and long (some have even been jailed or killed) for their rights as human beings, and to be given equal opportunities as their biological male counterparts. It has only been a bit over 100 years that biological women have been afforded the right to vote FFS! Whilst I am more than happy to refer to ANYONE by their preferred pronouns, I will not say that they are ACTUALLY the gender they wish to be. I'm at a complete loss as to why the most vociferous advocates for transgenderism do not have any understanding of human intellectual and emotional development when it comes to allowing children to be given access to "gender affirming" surgery and/or hormonal treatment. The only thing I can think of is that it validates their experience. If you can't vote, drive, drink alcohol, consent to sexual activities, or sign a legal document until a certain age...why the hell are children/teenagers being allowed to make this type of life-altering decisions?!

[@marthasimon1277]

Heartbreaking statistics.

[@BiologyBabe]

2:00 this is untrue. When I was in HS a TON of people who really weren’t gay said they were because it was cool. We got lucky that there’s no permanent damage for saying or acting “gay” when you aren’t. However, there is a permanent damage that can be done by saying or acting trans when you’re not. If there weren’t surgical interventions and permanently damaging medications being pushed and biological males in women’s sport causing safety issues, I doubt as many people would be passionate about this.

[@JasonUmbrellabird]

I have no idea why you'd want to mutilate yourself or even change your body's physical make up causing no end of long term problems. This is going on in my family where there is a lot of love and support for someone with an identity problem. It's extremely worrying.

[@thululindesnothando5720]

😮😮😢😢😢😢

[@drowningin]

10:21 but what if the surgery is harming someone else? The doctor harming the patient. The patient harming through influence. We already put people in a ward who cut off their own limbs, or throw up, or don’t eat. How is this different?

[@theonlyairconditioner]

Or think they are Napoleon , or think they are Joan of Ark, etc.

[@paulpare5506]

Question..why does every transition have to be made public..if it is something you want to do as an adult then just do it..perhaps its a cry for help or attention..look at the background of these people..highly unstable

[@olliemoose2020]

They do it for attention, end of story.

[@tracygeddes5867]

@@olliemoose2020 they may do it for attention,sure but what attention do we gain in putting them down?

[@fatmonkey4716]

​@@tracygeddes5867 We gain attention as people that hold people accountable for their actions. I see selfishness as the biggest problem we face, and the only solution to that selfishness is personal responsibility.

[@tracygeddes5867]

@@fatmonkey4716 and you are going to tell them how you think they should be personally responsible. Maybe we need to question why some of us judge these people with comments like” look at the background of these people…highly unstable” I have looked at the background and have seen people with amazing fortitude and strength of character who know who they are and in spite of immense pressure to conform to someone else’s opinion of who they are and how they should present remain true to themselves. Maybe we could learn from them how to keep ourselves together when all those around us are putting us down,treating us with disrespect and hating on us, calling us unstable when we know we have had to endure what most could not imagine. That is strength of character….on the other hand taking exaggerated examples of 6’5” hairy males appropriating female spaces and labeling those that just want to live responsible lives as women and calling them unstable for doing so is just so wrong on so many levels and is nothing short of shameful.

[@fatmonkey4716]

@@tracygeddes5867 Fighting reality will always have negative outcomes because reality always wins. Your quest to be compassionate is only allowing them to continue their poor behavior. Your short term selfish solution makes you happy, because you ignore their long term suffering against reality.

[@vektacular]

Do you think taxpayers should be paying for the surgery? I sure don’t

[@Swimmer1128]

Why do these people ALWAYS have a dupers delight smirk...that's a smirk that says "I'm enjoying this power over you and I know I'm getting away with evil" watch Jeffrey Marsh or any other. It's there. Every time. Creepy

[@hyacinthlynch843]

If gender is solely a matter of identity and not sex/biology, then why the need for drugs and surgery?

[@JohnCunningham-sy5ug]

Greatest lesson DR. Jordan Peterson teaches is the word NO.! When the idea is wrong explain why.

[@kerry-ch2zi]

Re: "social contagion." Recently I saw a documentary on the decline of the Tibetan monastic tradition surrounding the Dalai Lama in which they claimed at its height that one in six boys of the Tibetan population was indoctrinated into the monastic tradition; 1 in 6, much like the 1 in 5 children mentioned in this video who "identify as LGBTQ." The point to be taken here comes from the anthropological evidence of eunuch cultures surviving the practice of actual physical castration of males; case in point, the cult of Attis or Cybele referenced by the Apostle Paul in the New Testament. Hebrew Mosaic law condemned such practices and ejected persons shunning marriage from Judaism. Christianity under Paul welcomed the eunuchs into the fold, while comparing circumcision to the castration rites, thus discouraging genital mutilation while preserving the monastic discipline of celibacy in the priesthood. This move was the social template that greatly improved the freedom of children (especially boys) from molestation. For the most part, the sexually deviant men were isolated from the families with women and the children and this presented the optimum conditions for maintaining the population when half of women died in childbirth and the average life expectancy was around 25. Dr. Peterson's point that the exchange of benefit of a few kids for the many is, if anything, not strong enough. Though technologically, we can now view batches of people who were born boys who became female supermodels, this is not the effect for the rank and file of misshapen and distorted mentally disturbed youth of both sexes becoming the cash cows of surgical industry according to the dyslexic grammar of egalitarian fantasy manufactured by misogynous males that serves as "non-radical feminism." The young girls with lesbian urges have been duped by the self-loathing men (usually affluent menopausal crossdressing sissies or gay men) into beliving that sex is a social preformance rather than an instinctual reality, but the problem begins as it did in Tibet with cultural forms of male indoctrination into complex ideologies centered around celibacy and/or homoerotica, with or without genital alteration. Anthropologically speaking, the western world delayed the domination by the eunuch sects that neutered the potentcy of the more ancient civilizations. The key to the success of the civilizations that survived this neutering was the maintenance of the renunciate values, which by in large, have disappeared with the LGBTQ dogma. The change boils down to the marketable results of cosmetic surgery and hormones. The identity dogma is a separate issue--its subversive value greatly outweighs its actual justifiable transgender outcomes. Mostly, its proponents simply wish to exercise their "right" of obnoxious exibitionism. This explains a lot about the current Chinese position on same-sex couples. Centuries ago, factions of Oriental eunuchs seized control of dynasties of rulerships and were ejected by force. China is deliberately slow to respond to these demands, and will likely not make the mistake of not differentiating same sex unions from marriages involving both sexes and children. LGBTQ indoctrination begins at home. Homes with no mother and two dads are automatically LGBTQ propaganda. This simply hasn't been previously done in any civilization, and the resulting confusion of youth is likely to dwarf anything previously done psychologically by monasteries. As the more telecomunications-isolated emergent cultures begin to participate in the global villiage, the core essential root values of basic human societies will begin to dilute the extremism of the deviant self indulgence of the west. There will be less room for the synthetic idiocy of damaged hysterical western youth pop culture as the traditions reassert themselves in the global dialogue--or at least we can hope, as long as the propaganda machine of the "transhumanists" fails to silence important voices such as Dr. Peterson.

[@lizbaker2960]

It's always money.

[@paulrichards2623]

No one can beat Jordan in a debate, he is the GOAT

[@michaelmasuka4271]

We're trying to use logic and information to change the opinions of people that neither care nor have the ability to disseminate that information. The care about themselves and only themselves.

[@backseatsamurai]

I like your style. I subbed.

[@karmadog4565]

Kyle is one of the most smug effers out there. I just can not stand the fake smiling “I’ll get you” smirk. He’s a vile pos.

[@dyannehorton6848]

They aren't just being open with themselves, they insist on displaying their life in everything they do to make others uncomfortable so when they get a negative reaction, and they have something to complain about. Just because you are a grown man who doesn't want a woman, why must they continue to go on about it. Straight people don't act like that. They are mature adults.

[@janet6962]

Pritzker funds the hospitals that do this surgery.

[@rs72098]

I wonder if Kyle feels the same way about Gay conversion therapy. Gay conversion therapy doesn't require doctors to remove any genitals or body parts.

[@Blobby_hill396]

*Ellen

[@TheWatcherxx99]

BASED

[@allanbutterworth5078]

Jordan Peterson, didn't make him look a fool, he did that all on his own.🤣🤣🤣

[@stanleydavidlepretre4241]

Here's something to consider... *The love that dare not speak it's name has now become the love that will not shut the f**k up.*

[@clivespendlove5993]

Are you not confusing gay with trans?

[@WlmaAlexender-zl6nx]

This country needs prayer and repentance.

[@gameofgames1897]

Never been this early.

[@tcorourke2007]

The problem with the libertarian position is that we don't live in a libertarian world. Adults cannot "do whatever they want." Medical interventions are gate-kept by professionals, who are then targeted by campaigns to normalize these procedures. The end result is that "the experts" get corroded by ideology and what was once radical treatment for people at the end of their rope becomes the normal course of action. So much so that parents are starting to be penalized for withholding this "care" from their children.

[@wepunchdragons3733]

"Do no harm" is no longer part of the oath. They changed that because it could be used in court cases against the doctor.

[@DominionAdams]

That is powerful…. “Not everything legal Isn’t criminal.” Cmon now , preach preacher.

[@anthonykelly3175]

In England years ago they ran an anti suicide campaign and had to stop it as they realized the more they talked about it the move suicides started happening

[@thefamilymans2545]

On NPR2 yrs ago, they interviewed a gay rights activist who said, "you know, people kept saying 'we're(gay rights activists) coming after your children'. Well, they were right! We did go after the children!" Thats when i quit listening to NPR completely. 🤦

[@bobjohnson270]

Just because you have a feeling doesn't make it true. Even if that person feels better pretending doesn't make it true

[@lizzetcosta8103]

Wow, this was very informative 👏

[@harshitgarg1432]

"Not everything legal isn't criminal" that's literally the definition of legal

[@jujupants2486]

"I am a man on the left." I agree.... with the 'left' part.

[@susandagenais4035]

Excellent! Let’s continue to be real on this issue. Do no harm. Leave children grow up. Teach them to love themselves first.

[@Wishes890]

Can someone explain how a person that's born a woman feels like they are a man add vice versa how can you feel like something you are not? And if that's the case, what is the limit of what a person can feel like? Can a person feel like a toaster? Can they feel like a picture frame? Can they feel like a stereo receiver?

[@theonlyairconditioner]

Well, some have went as far as to claim they were cats and dogs. It really has gotten out of hand... using pronouns like catself or dogself. It's ridiculous. That's also what I keep saying. "Trans" is not a gender. It is simply someone who transitions from 1 gender to the other.

[@emagreene9775]

Thank you for addressing this issue. I follow Jordan Peterson, but somehow I missed this conversation.

[@DanDan-ow7nl]

Exactly correct Jordan

[@francismcglynn4169]

With the confusion of the proposition " I think therefore I am" underscoring the idea that rationality is what controls biology we are denying reality. The reality is that I am a being who is dependent on the universe in which I live, a universe that was created before any other being existed. If I can think about that it is because I have received the ability to do so. It also means that the limits of my ability to think and to be are circumscribed by my ability to share in the history of this world. I cannot remake the world, nor can I remake its history. All I can do is try and understand what is required of me to use the abilities I have for the good that is my own and that of all those with whom I share this world. Unfortunately, there is no agreement that the good we should all seek is the good intended by a Creator God who loves us with so great a love, that in spite of our rejection of Him, He came into our history and showed us how to return to Him. Our redemption and salvation are available if we would only act reasonably. That is, be what we are meant to be and think what is necessary for obedient contingent beings.

[@CarlFredrik-uo1cu]

Calling Kyle Kulinski a "far leftist" is like calling Jordan Peterson a "stable and coherent man".

[@SolomonKane71]

Remember when we said it was wrong for gay youth to get any kind of therapy to convince them one way or another? They had to be 18+ and freely consenting if they wanted therapy about their sexual orientation.