Jordan Peterson Doesn't Understand Christianity

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Jordan Peterson: Christian Philosopher of False Prophet?
In recent years, psychologist and public intellectual Jordan Peterson has been talking more and more about religion. And while at one point religion was used as a metaphor for social and philosophical ideas, these days it seems like he's had a personal religious conversion. But what are the theological and philosophical implications of this turn? Does Peterson actually understand the stakes of his new faith? Or is this all an act to help build his brand? Let's find out in this Philosopher Reacts to Jordan Peterson on Religion.
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[@WisecrackEDU]

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[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content guys 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@BDWANNEMACHER]

How dare. Taking money from the antibald shadow cabal! Shame, SHAME! Also, can you link to the patreon in the description?

[@mycroftwilde4742]

I laughed sooooooooooooo hard when I saw the title for this. On point, guys. Thanks for this. Petersons biases are answering too many questions like it's "self evident" 😂😂 he's mentally unwell. Lately he keeps talking about rap and I may have to put him in his place (I'm one of the best rappers... errr... ever? Something like that. Don't care if ppl believe me, etc.) He's walking into domains he shouldn't... well, I guess, like normal, eh? 😅😂😂😂

[@CMA418]

Note: one of the gospels says “ poor in spirit” another gospel just says “poor”.

[@JarvixSchmarvix]

Blessed are the poor in hairline

[@zachariousoftroy]

"Quit trying to save the planet" is not what a good guy says, it's the dialogue of a frustrated supervillain

[@cedrickulacz8468]

Now one thing a good guy might say is... "Why can't the world just, STAY SAVED!?"

[@Dug252]

Apparently it’s not masculine enough to save the planet, maybe if the planet was shaped like a woman…

[@Dug252]

It isn’t masculine enough, maybe if it were woman shaped he would pity the Earth enough to save it

[@BeeWhistler]

@@cedrickulacz8468Mr Incredible, is that you?

[@Jfreek5050]

No, its what one says to people who obviously shouldn't be trying to save the planet because they can't even get their own sh*t together.

[@HylianFox3]

Dennis Prager's visceral disgust at the idea of the poor being "blessed" is all you need to know about him

[@derekg5563]

@HylianFox3: Well, no, not really; you would also need to know and understand why he thinks that, regarding the opinion implied by the instance of visceral disgust under discussion, but somehow, to this day, despite the amount of intellectual things we pursue, our desire for knowledge why is typically no match for our desire for knowledge that.

[@MrBemaster]

@@derekg5563 so this is who’s been buying the new jbp books.

[@avalokiteshvara113]

Lick his boots more ​@@derekg5563

[@bumpyshorts]

​@@MrBemaster did the rambling word salad give it away?

[@kappascopezz5122]

@@derekg5563 The "why" is pretty obvious in this case. Namely, Prager's support of a class system is just self-serving, without needing proper justification.

[@me0101001000]

"Think again, Sunshine" is up there with "Up yours, woke moralists. We'll see who cancels who"

[@DaelMorris]

The part where he fantasizes about his grandmother stroking him with her pubic hair is pretty much canon. Feel free to look it up.

[@CloudslnMyCoffee]

people claiming to be Christian but not believing Jesus rose from the dead is WILD to me. Its literally the whole thing

[@StudioHannah]

I know someone who said she’s Christian but doesn’t care if Jesus was the actual son of God or not. Again… kind of the whole thing. I guess people like that see it as more of a philosophy but… that doesn’t work if they actually read the whole Bible so IDK

[@Mrbladesofchaos]

@@StudioHannahtaking the bible literally is one of the biggest issues in Christianity today.

[@rukbiiboi]

​@@Mrbladesofchaosthe assumption that all Christians take the Bible literally is one of the biggest issues of critics of Christianity today.

[@chrissavage1449]

Fundamentalists are the only true Christians. Cultural Christianity is like pretending to love someone; you’re just in it for the benefits. And that disgusts me.

[@brandonwells1175]

Dr. Peterson is an occultist who fears and denies his candidacy because, like many of us, he was conditioned as a child to be Christian and fears to abandon it... only, he already has, LOL

[@HBBiscuits]

"The pope screwed me" is a wild quote out of context.

[@LastBastian]

Probably applies in a litteral sense to way more people than we'd like to know about.

[@chrishaven1489]

Dennis Prager going 'ew, the poor' sounds remarkably on-brand for the guy

[@KristopherPrime]

Except he did NOTHING of the sort here. Much like this dumbass Michael, you are reading what you want rather than what is there.

[@archiebuchan2563]

As a Catholic myself it’s always been incredible to me that Peterson as well as the entire daily wire crowd talk so much about Catholicism whilst being seemingly diametrically opposed to the empathy of Christ

[@Anatolij86]

Great comment, but unfortunately that's true for a great number of Christians too

[@archiebuchan2563]

@@Anatolij86 exactly why I always feel a bit funny about my Catholicism. So many major Catholic figures clearly use religion as a vehicle for hate and repression of whatever diverts from social norms. Christ is a symbol of love and empathy to me- just like the Holy Spirit is a symbol for how we all have a transcendent value. Reading “”Christians”” bully societies weakest is so sickening.

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

This is ridiculous. JP is the only public intellectual that I know who will literally cry on camera because he feels so much empathy. Even the people at the DW show support for detransitioners. A group that left wants to pretend that they don't exist.

[@sardonicus1739]

To be fair though, I've never seen Christs empathy as real empathy since that's the same guy that said that anyone who doesn't accept him as their lord and savior will burn for all eternity in eternal agony, and repeatedly lashes out when he doesn't get his way like when the fig tree didn't bare fruit during the off season so he cursed it. To me that's not real empathy. It's "Join me OR ELSE" mafia logic with empathetic sounding stuff sprinkled in. I don't think a truly good deity would torture people for believing the wrong religion. They'd care about how good the persons actions are and where their heart is when taking such actions above all else. All that this abrahamic god being obsessed with being praised and loved over everything else makes that god come across as super insecure, ego-maniacal and jealous. Like there's humans less petty than that. It has the same feeling as a father locking their child in a basement and torturing them every day cause the kid didn't love him enough. When a human does something like that it's evil, but when a god does it we just blindly accept it as a loving act.

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

@@sardonicus1739 The fig tree is meant to be symbolic. The point is that God will cast judgment on a fruitless Jerusalem. Jesus is only explaining how the universe works. Don't shoot the messenger. Many Christian thinkers don't believe hell is literal. Check out guys like C.S. Lewis. "They'd care about how good the person's actions are and where their heart is when taking such actions above all else." Then we would all fail that test. No one meets God's standards except Jesus. "All that this abrahamic god being obsessed with being praised and loved over everything else makes that god come across as super insecure, ego-maniacal and jealous. Like there's humans less petty than that" That is a poor psychoanalysis. The idea of worshipping God is that you are aiming for the highest good. It is inappropriate to worship people or have people worship you because no one is omniscient or omnipotent except God. Worshipping God keeps people moral, so it's actually good advice. I can cite some meta-analyses on this topic if you want.

[@j.marshalcourneyea1701]

My new voicemail prompt - "You thought I was going to answer the phone? THINK AGAIN, SUNSHINE"

[@CriticalAfricanThinkers]

😂😂

[@hassanbeydoun2460]

"Please leave a message for...... THINK AGAIN, SUNSHINE...... [*beep*]"

[@The_Infinite_Squirrel]

I think he lectured the tree until it splintered into logs.

[@JazzyJonas]

Underrated comment

[@Grassdia]

He is the messiah turning wood into wood

[@CoreDump451]

I feel awful for that poor tree

[@jeffengel2607]

That tree was the lucky one. It's no longer suffering.

[@michaelbonet9062]

The tree was just trying to get out of the conversation and those damn roots kept holding it in place. “I choose my own destruction over listening to this guy any longer.”

[@CATboss001]

People forget that you can't fit catholicism into a political ideology, left or right. That's why many people are confused about Francis lashing out against gender theory while also coming across as more liberal. I study theology (am catholic too) and one problem I tend to see with converts (especially who watch Peterson) is that they attach themselves to politics first and then to their faith. They wear their religion as a political jacket.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Yeah, as someone who grew up Catholic I notice that converts always seem to have a totally different reading of things.

[@smacain]

Very good observation. I was raised Catholic, I still call myself that even if I’m mostly culturally Catholic at this point, but I’ve noticed a lot of White Catholic, mostly post-Boomer (basically the post-JFK era blue collar Catholics) who were once liberal on things like the economy and worker’s rights, but conservative on abortion, pulled right first by the abortion issue, and then by the other issues as they became further immeshed into that right-leaning community. Converts are pulled in mostly by the right, because the left leaning Catholics are leaving, or at least the purpose of the Church in their lives means something different.

[@MaxRamos8]

The most ironic part is that a lot of catholic faith is progressive, Jesus was basically a socialist. And as a Catholic I believe the conservative branches are what keep us (collective, not me) from growing and repenting from evil actions such as banning abortion or the child molesting.

[@Flux_40]

only 144,000 men who have not "defiled" themselves with women. "defiled" is GAY code...... the bible was written by gay men..... it is gay code.

[@profdc9501]

Religious and temporal powers tend to align because they frequently have maintaining order and the status quo in common. Psalm 146:3-5 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. 5 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the Lord his God: Matthew 22:20-22 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. 22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way. Peterson's interference is corrosive because faith only persists when it stands on its own.

[@arshiaarjomandi6279]

Peterson confusing God with Santa Claus is a perfect demonstration of this man's depth of knowledge about Christianity.

[@derekboudreau4576]

on par with his knowledge of Psychology or psychiatry. Watch one of his original classroom videos explaining what a psychopath is... it's truely telling!

[@jacksonelmore6227]

Cringey comment The meme of equating the idea of god to Santa Claus reveals a lack of self awareness

[@declancain2988]

Peterson is not the one confusing God with Santa Claus you and this youtuber are. God doesn't just "send people to hell if he wants" he has a set level of expectations like a parent does for their child. As such if we cross that line by our own will then it is not God doing anything it is us, God doesn't send us to hell we do God in our judgement simply brings up the things we did in life and if he are bound for hell for our sins we know it and we peel back into hell out of shame. God isn't a "Santa Claus" that just picks who is bad and who isn't again it is not him that damns us we damn ourselves with out own actions we make with OUR free will.

[@seanduncan9722]

Like you do lmao

[@declancain2988]

This KZbinr cut up the video and got rid of the context. Maybe look up the full video to see the shit this "gentleman" left out and you will reason that (A) Mr. Peterson never confused Santa with God and (B) that this entire video is invalid as it is proven wrong by the video he is criticizing 😂.

[@MegaKerrigan]

Careful now! You’re suggesting Jesus might be a Socialist!?

[@ichthys4147]

Speak up for those who have no voice, for the justice of all who are dispossessed. -Proverbs 31:8

[@WisecrackEDU]

Heck yes, thanks for this. I knew we'd have some smart biblical minds helping us out here.

[@comradestannis]

noice

[@edf859fa]

JESUS WASHED FEET.

[@fatTony666]

​@WisecrackEDU so that means I have to speak up for Trump because thousands of very powerful people are trying to silence his voice....You can't win when there are two sides of a culture war.

[@SamRossman]

Love quoting the Old Testament to point out the hypocrisy of religious thought leaders, didn’t work out so well for Jesus though.

[@matthewlloyd9718]

Cody Johnson while on the behind the bastards episodes on Peterson described him as "he's always 20% right about something when he talks, but he'll always interpret that 20% completely incorrectly".

[@WisecrackEDU]

Yes! That was exactly my experience in watching him talk about religion.

[@mightyone3737]

Doesn't this Cody Johnson have Some News show of some kind? I think he did a short bit on peterson on that show too.

[@matthewlloyd9718]

@mightyone3737 yes its called some more news and worth a listen too, him and Katy Stoll (both formerly of Cracked do it).

[@aawallace98]

@@mightyone3737 i think he's done multiple where his atleast featured promenatly

[@christopherlaws8182]

Yes he did. It was a very brief look ​@mightyone3737

[@peterdavis6768]

As a Christian (Protestant) youth leader and longtime fan of the channel, I appreciated the care taken in your research to represent Christianity fairly and contrast it with Jordan’s western and very conservative American view of it. Like with philosophers, Jordan tends to cherry-pick what he wants out of it for his message. Christianity has been primarily social in all its aspects and it being individualized is a relatively “new” thing. I’d recommend reading jemar tisbys the color of Compromise on how the church’s lack of cultural engagement lead to church splits and the right wing Christian nationalism we have today.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for this! And appreciate you watching the channel.

[@gptgod]

Salvation in Christ is totally individual. The social bit comes afterward. I think, unfortunately the church tries to win people over by bastardizing the Word of God, as to not offend or scare newcomers. But in reality the culture NEEDS the church to BE the church. I dont agree with everything Jordan says but he's certainly right about saving the world and social justice. On paper theyre great but in practice it enables the government and giant corporations to shape right and wrong. If youre Christian, then you know right and wrong comes from the Bible. If youre doing any cultural engagement it's to say to repent and believe the Gospel.

[@Jonabob87]

You're a fraud.

[@lospecchiojp]

What’s interesting about the horizontal and vertical axis you spoke about is that Jesus heavily implied that attending to the horizontal axis is how the vertical axis is accessed. As in, loving your neighbour by expressing compassion for them as human with innate dignity and value is how you love god.

[@gptgod]

Not quite. The Bible says to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength AND love your neighbor as yourself. Attending to the vertical axis is how you attend to the horizontal. Anchoring yourself with God enables you to make wise decisions with others. Society and culture changes, you dont want to be at the whim of something that might change for the worse. I agree with treating people with dignity and value but the vertical axis is critical.

[@TomBertalan]

@@gptgod Our bible was assembled by many writers afterwards, and says a lot of additional things; Jesus the man was just one jewish cult leader with some really humanistic, leftish, and nondogmatic teachings.

[@gptgod]

@@TomBertalan The old testament points to the new and the new testament points to the old. The Word is consistent throughout: Repent and pursue the will of God. Theres NOTHING about Jesus that is "humanistic" or "leftish". Our good deeds are like dirty rags and human effort devoid of God is bound for corruption. Jesus preached about Hell and how man was destined for it if he continues to lean on his humanity and his own goodness and not godliness. Not very tolerant, not very leftish (or rightish for that matter), not very inclusive. If you want to follow Christ you must surrender all. If you want God to be the head of your life then you CANNOT be. Tap into that vertical and youll be able to love the horizontal genuinely.

[@iExploder]

@@gptgodWhy do so many people who claim to have accessed the vertical ignore the horizontal as though it were beneath them? Individualism is a cancer.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

RIP Akira Toriyama 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@DannyBedo]

Amen, it’s very funny there’s a translate clickable under this tho 😂😂

[@zotdead08]

We need a wisecrack video about him.

[@the_Fisher_King]

Rip to the only man who understood Christianity 😔😔😔

[@JackgarPrime]

The actual great philosopher of our time: "Work hard, study well and eat and sleep plenty. That's the Turtle Hermit way to learn."

[@WeAreTheDraiken]

Whay really matters.

[@Peachohyea]

Peterson claims that Christianity is being watered down to "cheap social justice" but I think adopting his hyper-HYPER-individualistic view of the gospel is already watering it down. Like we need more reasons to only focus on ourselves. The idea that God loves poor and marginalized people terrifies these guys.

[@HylianFox3]

Much of this type of "Christianity" amounts to a whole lotta navel-gazing and not much else...

[@RictusHolloweye]

He seems more aligned with prosperity gospels, where instead of loving and caring for other people it's all about justifying selfishness.

[@asiabrew81]

It lacks an interest in the concept of the divine. But I think Peterson's take (if I approached it in good faith) is part of a well-known issue with the Bible: The Bible is like a well. You look down into it and what do you see? Your reflection. And i think that harkens back to the communal aspect of the Bible. If you look at Jewish religious tradition, there is is a lot of debating about what a religious text means. These debates are challenging, engaging and arguably create a sense of connection, even in disagreement with the people discussing/arguing. So when people get together to discuss the Bible, they're also sharing who they are because, the Bible reflects our own values. And if those people agree w/ that take than those are YOUR people. Or in this case, your religious sect.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven" -Jesus of Nazareth, according to the Bible, Matthew 19:24 There's literally no possible way to interpret the philosophy of Jesus as one that doesn't assert that all rich people are irredeemably evil.

[@Flux_40]

@@asiabrew81 only 144,000 men who have not "defiled" themselves with women. "defiled" is GAY code...... the bible was written by gay men..... it is gay code.

[@FrumiousMing8]

It's very telling that he talks about these big philosophical and epistemological ideas but then couches that discussion in modern political buzzwords like "social justice". Also like clip from "What is a woman", he front-loads the thing with a very clear slippery slope fallacy: if we deconstruct gender then that will lead to us abandoning Christmas. Like huh??? Questioning things and having a more nuanced/flexible understanding does not mean abandoning it altogether. You can still engage with femininity/masculinity while still understanding that it's largely constructed. Why is that so hard for people to understand???

[@calebkeller6045]

As a lifelong Christian, you articulated why I’ve found his… conversion halfhearted at past and that he’s only quoting or curious about the more corrupt quarters of the faith, ie conservative Protestantism. Love the nod to liberation theology; you have to look to find them but there are many of us Christians that aren’t as boisterous and/or problematic. Shane Claiborne is a good example, MLK’s sermons, and Rachel Held Evan’s all are excellent in exploring… other Christian faith expressions.

[@EricGranata]

Why can’t we tend souls while ALSO protecting the planet and seeking justice in the world? Seems pretty rad to me.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Yeah - it seems like every earnest and thoughtful Christian, and religious person in general, would agree with this.

[@jaybee9269]

What do you mean by planet?

[@erdood3235]

​​@@WisecrackEDU That's the problem. Growing up in a Jewish environment, I've absorbed that selfishness *is* the genuine Christianity. That hatred of the other and forced conversions and pogroms and genocides are the genuine Christianity. Like how Rowling's transphobia amd racism and fatphobia and other bigotries *are* the genuine Rowling

[@Quadr44t]

I think they have a positive feedbackloop on one another. Unfortunately it is in stark contrast with the current socioeconomic system (for how long it will last anyway. maybe 20 years? The collapse is gonna suck though).

[@Quadr44t]

​@@jaybee9269 That 3rd planet (rock, that is so big, under its own gravity it becomes spherical) from the sun, where all life as far as we know originates. You know, that spheroid that's about 5.97×10^24 kg, Of which, around 32% iron (Fe), about 30% oxygen (O), some 15% silicon, a bit under 14% magnesium(Mg) and less than 3% sulfur (S). Most of that iron you only notice indirectly tho, being in the core and all. Particularly it is noticeable in that we don't all get radiation poisoning and don't all immediately get all the kinds of cancer. It's all not directly visible, but that molten iron core with its magnetic field protects us from all kinds of nasty shit. As a bonus, also the auroras.

[@MrDietsam]

What's that Arcade Fire lyric? "You never trust a millionaire quoting the Sermon on the Mount"

[@WisecrackEDU]

Freaking perfect call.

[@HylianFox3]

Amen

[@Will-xf3qe]

One of the gospels in the sermon on the mount Jesus says poor in spirit. But in another gospel Jesus just says poor. Plus the whole thing about harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel passing thru the eye of a needle. It's also thought that the early church in Jerusalem called themselves "the poor" and lives a ascetic lifestyle. All that just to say JP is just wrong in his interpretation.

[@dl2725]

Wow, did Arcade Fire write that specifically for JP?

[@Nostripe361]

@@Will-xf3qethese rich “Christians” seem to ignore just how much Jesus seems to dislike rich people in the Bible.

[@boothefuzzyhamster3815]

Anyone who claims to be a good Christian while telling you society should not help the poor and disenfranchised is just an obvious liar.

[@ryanleone3007]

Though I'm not a christian I've read my bible backwards and forwards(save for some of the tedious Old Testament stuff,) and, in the New Testament, the theme of social justice is one of its most prevalent and unique, especially as it pertains to the oppressed and needy.

[@catsmom129]

Many OT prophets also speak of social justice

[@DneilB007]

⁠@@catsmom129The OP read the Old Testament; that was the back-to-front part. (Hebrew is read right to left, not… I’ll see myself out.)

[@catsmom129]

@@DneilB007 I love it! I’m from an interfaith family, so I might know a little bit about that 😆😆 😆🕍✡️📚✝️⛪️

[@sonicgoo1121]

"a princess to find, a castle to build, an lineage to establish, a land to conquer" reminds me of the great philosopher Conan the Barbarian.

[@SageWon-1aussie]

It's "a lineage to establish," but "The Phiosophy of Conan The Cimmerian." would be a wildly popular text.

[@misterrea861]

"A lineage to establish" is so egocentric, as if these boys he's so concerned about are all abandoned by their fathers. That's Joseph Campbell mythology, but not practical to the average North American that Peterson is trying to market his hogwash to.

[@LPTheGas]

"What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women." - Conan of Cimmeria Yeah that's great big guy, except... "You have no enemies. No one... has any enemies. There is no one... that you should hurt." - Thors Snorresson, a.k.a. the guy who arrived at his philosophy by doing what you do longer and better than you have

[@kirstencorby8465]

Hear the lamentations of the women.

[@SageWon-1aussie]

@@kirstencorby8465 Wow, you managed to both fail at a fundamental level and misunderstand the assignment. JBP would be proud. Edit: There were very few women that lamented meeting Conan.

[@kingjackson535]

... No way, he chopped any of that wood.

[@jhunt5578]

All he eats is beef and salt. Surprised he can even stand tbh.

[@christianandjesse7370]

​@jhunt5578 that's what he claims. I don't see any reason to trust what he's telling ppl, especially when he claims he's making some kind of sacrifice and others should follow in some way

[@HylianFox3]

Funny thing is I have a Christian friend who works as a tree-timmer and he has a TON of chopped firewood. He's also super-sweet and 100x manlier than Peterson could ever hope to be.

[@minngael]

@@HylianFox3 You found one of the guys from the Hallmark Christmas movies!

[@marcdc6809]

I'm imagining that his wife told him to take his nonsense to the garden shed where she doesn't have to hear it any more.

[@ricky_the_b]

"The public intellectual that our era deserves" is the most scathing indictment of our era I've heard in a while 😬😬

[@Blingdung]

It’s from a Nathan J Robinson article he wrote in Current Affairs called “The Intellectual We Deserve”. Worth the time it takes to read

[@90diaduit]

As a pastor and a regular viewer I can say honestly that Peterson yelling 'Do it now' at me and my colleagues is the highlight of my week.

[@knotlock]

He becomes a post-modernist about the subject, because he doesn’t want to piss off that part of his audience, because they give him $ *DOLLARS* $

[@jacobturnerart]

When you're a full-time agitator like Petersen, you're always going to adjust the message to suit whoever has become your core audience and income stream. It's become impossible to identify where his true belief ends and his 'brand' begins any more.

[@comradestannis]

He is the definition of post-modernism.

[@rosemadder5547]

💯 👏👏👏👏 well said

[@rosemadder5547]

​@@jacobturnerart there are many agitators that are necessary for change. I don't think being an agitator has anything to do with it. MLK was an Agitator. Just my opinion 😊

[@jacobturnerart]

@@rosemadder5547 bad choice of words on my part - I think he's one of those people who provokes but doesn't want to affect change. Is there a word for this?

[@loganhurley5590]

As a proud member of what I believe is a pretty small segment of Wisecrack's audience (the portion that has an M.Div) this was a very fast click for me. Especially since I am one of those pesky folk that do believe a Judean carpenter and street preacher did raise from the dead a couple millennia back. I'm not a pastor, but I do work for a missions org, so I'll take it upon myself to say: No, I wasn't particularly interested in Peterson's take on Christian ministry. It's interesting that for all his ability to synthetically merge a lot of varied nonsense together in most cases, Peterson here really doesn't say anything that hasn't been said by Doug Wilson or those Church Militant guys endlessly over the past few years. There's this whole proposition among some people adjacent to and even sometimes in Christian circles that the big value of the gospel is that it gives transcendence by which a society can anchor the necessary elements of work, family, life, order, etc. And a good theologian can squint and see some truth to that, but it's radically contrary to anything that Jesus himself or his apostles ever taught. The standard Christian interpretation of Genesis 1 is that humans are made as the collective co-rulers of the cosmos. It's difficult to squeeze much hierarchy into a creation that is so radically leveled out. The question about what he's trying to do is interesting. It reminds me of Hirsan Ali's account of her conversion a couple months back. She wrote that she had converted to Christianity because she no longer believed that rationalism contained the resources the West needs to confront the challenges it needs. Based purely on what she wrote publicly, I didn't find much to suggest that she had become a disciple of Jesus. I think that Peterson's instinct of equating God to an individual's sense of right and wrong is part of him dong something similar. He has a way that he wants the world to be (young strapping men go out, wear ties, take various risks, and save the world) and doubts that he can get his world if people don't ground that world in metaphysics, which he mistakes faith in Jesus for.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Wow thanks so much for sharing this and all the detail, truly the sort of comment I was dreaming of when we made the video. And glad to have folks like you in our community.

[@72Allegory]

Hooray for the small group of us who have an MDiv 😂

[@BalikTrollbane]

I would also add that the Holy Spirit is still at work in Jordan's life. He may be approaching Christianity in a practical utilitarian way right now, but God is working in his life I think. We shall see if he truly accepts Jesus as King. People do not change in an instant. It does take time but we should pray for Dr. Peterson. If more and more people are reading the Bible then that is always a good thing.

[@CorwinFound]

Joe Rogan has even started to talk about the benefits of religiosity from a very secular point of view. I find it baffling that supposedly religious Christians are now fairly openly unbelievers in the basic tenets of the religion, including Jesus having risen from the dead and pacifism. I'm a staunch atheist and maybe I'm missing something, but it kinda feels like you can't be a Christian if you don't believe in Christ's essential divinity and teachings. It almost needs a new word, say Christianist. Someone who supports the worldview and political goals commonly ascribed to Christians without the belief in the metaphysical claims of Christianity.

[@rcndg]

​@@CorwinFoundI agree and think that word / concept already exists in "cultural Christianity." There's a real sociological case to be made that a lot of atheists remain "cultural Christians" to various degrees when one considers the idea that Christianity influenced the cultures we've been immersed in. It's like, my mate Kenji Nakacracka probably can't tell you a thing about Confucius or Buddha but growing up in rural Okayama he still has a lot of collectivist views and values simply through immersion in such a culture. That's the kind of "Christianity" I think Peterson is aiming for, but in this cynical way where he also views it transparently as a means of control for stupid people, which he seems to believe are the majority of people.

[@allypoum]

Lol my first thought when I saw the chopped wood pile was "I bet our boy Jordan didn't chop that wood."

[@johnobrien6415]

Re: the Blessed poor thing. You guys are all conflating two different Gospels. The Matthew sermon on the mount is "Blessed are the poor of spirit" and in Luke, (where it is known as the "Sermon on the Plain") it is: "Blessed are the poor" with no reference to spirit. But yeah, it is telling that Mr. Prager doesn't think there is anything special about the poor. Trivia point: changes like this where Luke shortens Matthew is why some have theorized that there is a missing, lost gospel, referred in the trade as "Q". Because, as the theory goes, if Luke borrowed this from Matthew he wouldn't edit or shorten the quote, hence he is quoting a separate, older source, and Matthew added to the original with his "of spirit" crap. See Mark Goodacre's: "The Case Against Q" if you care one way or another about this to find the alternative theory of why the two gospels don't match. Jordan's and Dennis' take on this verse is weird. I think most people who call themselves as Christians would say the "poor of spirit" would refer to the downcast, down hearted and the hopeless and is meant to offer solace to them. In other words, it's meant to make sad people feel better. Jordan's version of Christianity isn't about solace, it's about proving how macho you are. Which is all really pathetic. As to who has the “correct” interpretation, well, I have no dog in this race, but I find it curious that conservative Christians always find ways to show that Jesus was a conservative like them, and liberal Christians seem to think Jesus was a liberal like them. For instance, there are a number of bible verses about giving to charity. There are no verses about a progressive income tax. Reagan justified defunding the social safety net by saying that such things were best left to charity. But of course, the rich are famously stingy and their idea of charity is funding politicians who will lower their taxes. Which really get to the problem of a book that deals in platitudes. What does blessed are the poor mean? It’s not blessed in this life, as they wouldn’t be poor. We have to just assume that it means they’ll go to heaven after they die. We have to take the bible’s word at that.

[@jaketorbeck]

This is a key insight that folks seem to be missing. Luke's gospel tends to foreground the poor and the marginalized (not that Matthew's doesn't), but Peterson's interpretation of Matthew is not that unusual. The fact that Prager seems to think it's novel reveals, I think, more about Prager's own poverty of understanding than any characteristic belonging to JP.

[@StudioHannah]

The whole thing about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to go to heaven? If you’re focused on money more than people, you’re not following God.

[@johnobrien6415]

@@StudioHannah liberal Christian apologetics go: Christianity is OK, but only if you interpretate it correctly, use my verses. Trust me, even the New Testament has crap in it. A few platitudes about lovey-dovey doesn't make it a good book. How about this one: Matthew 10:34-36 which says: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household." Which to me seems to say if you really follow God you will have to cut yourself off from family members who don't also really follow God. What you get out of the hot mess of a primitive, ignorant, superstitious and barbaric book is more projection than any deep, profound truth.

[@ryanscottmccormick191]

I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks that the gigantic wood pile is inauspicious and manufactured. 😂

[@72Allegory]

First off, I am a pastor and I deeply appreciate your chanel and content. It fills a need that I have had since being in school, but is harder to find in the "real world". Also, to answer your question at 10:04, I absolutely did not ask for Peterson's advice. If anything, he has made my job 1000x harder by blending conservative talking points with religious jargon. It provides people I engage with an easy out to hard questions or challenging conversations. It has become a major problem with a few people for me.

[@jaybee9269]

You know you can just not watch Peterson, right?

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for much for your comment, and makes me happy to know we have folks like you in our community.

[@72Allegory]

​@@jaybee9269I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if I have actually watched Peterson, or if I have only interacted with his work through others?

[@matthewhorrigan5848]

​@@72Allegoryhe's butthurt because someone criticized his guru.

[@bradleymarshall5489]

Peterson isn't a conservative

[@daikancho332]

This vid was spot on. It amazes me how a pretty ordinary Canadian psych prof has become a trusted subject matter expert on EVERYTHING, including religion, economics, politics and foreign policy. As far as I am concerned, the only thing this man can lecture me on is 'The Joy of Benzodiazepines'😅😅

[@TheAxePhysicsDude]

The second that professor showed up I just felt it in my bones that you would bring up Cunk. Some fools may call that assumption “Jungian” 😂😂🤣

[@LonkinPork]

[Kermit the Frog voice] What do you mean "Jordan?" What do you mean "Peterson?" What do you mean "Doesn't?" What do you mean "Understand?" What do you mean "Christianity?"

[@WisecrackEDU]

Yes - that is the way that the smartest people talk.

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

and he attacks Posmodernism while doing all those post-structuralist questioning of signified.

[@billtomson5791]

He really sounds like Kermit. 😊

[@johnpearson5000]

You win the comments section.

[@havocgr1976]

Accurate.

[@bryanjump3616]

As someone who is a person of strong faith who has received formal theological and apologetical training and is on the path to ordination; Peterson actually teaches a theology that is actually antithetical to the way the Christian faith has been traditionally understood for centuries. He's much more in line with the religious leaders Jesus rebuked within the very passages Peterson cites. It's disturbing how many I know who seem to think he understands faith better than the formally educated church fathers whose full time job it was to contemplate and study these things.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for this - and glad to know I wasn't totally off base.

[@juanausensi499]

That's because Peterson has no interest in Theology. He has targetted an audience and he tells them what they want to hear.

[@DutchAlcott]

i just wrote a whole paragraph disagreeing with this video lol , but if you could give me some brief explanations on how he's antithetical i would be super excited hear and study up. you sound really qualified to change my mind and i gotta take the opportunity.

[@juanausensi499]

@@DutchAlcott Jesus gave us only two commandments. You probably remember them. It's pretty simple, really.

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

What are you talking about? Peterson is far from a pharisee.

[@jackiemoffitt6780]

Dennis Prager is gonna shit himself when he reads Luke 12:33

[@WisecrackEDU]

He looks like the sort of guy who is likely regularly shitting himself either way. But yes, that will make it an extra stinky one.

[@MBeats27]

"What you mean by believe what do you mean by god" - Jordan Peterson That's literally what he said when someone asked him " Do you believe in God"

[@alphacause]

Does Jordan Peterson understand Christianity? The real question is: Does anyone understand Jordan Peterson? He should change his name from Dr. Jordan Peterson to Dr. Word Salad,

[@Sahtoovi]

Is there much to understand? No really, do a little experiment. Take a random phrase of his that sounds deep and has lots of fancy words, then write it on paper and break it down. What you'll find in the vast majority of cases is that the things he says actually carry very minimal meaning. He phrases quite mundane arguments and views as some divine revelations and people eat it up.

[@Bojoschannel]

Jordan Peterson is the personification of a uni student pushing the 2000 word essay before 3 am with the worst word salad possible. There's nothing of value underneath it all

[@91722854]

and the more real question is, Does Anyone understand Christianity? Can Christianity really be understood or is it ineffable?

[@jaybee9269]

I love it when people accuse him of word salad. Tell me it’s over your head without telling me it’s over your head…

[@Sahtoovi]

@@jaybee9269 using fancy meaningless words that you chain together does not make him smart. a smart person could communicate a complex idea in simple words. he cannot do that, and he frankly does not even try to. I implore you to do the experiment I mentioned in my other reply. if he said the same things he does but in simpler words, he would not say much of anything.

[@kimuraarmlock]

as a christian i appreciate you calling JP out on his weird use of it. Along those lines i think it would be cool if you guys did a video on liberation theology.

[@radium05]

I'm not sure I get what that video would look like, an evaluation of whether liberation theology is Christian?

[@kimuraarmlock]

​@@radium05 i was thinking more like just a deep dive into it, its history and varying forms. I don't think the question of whether its is christian is really to interesting.

[@Idishrkdmd]

@@kimuraarmlock it is important though if it's not christian then that can affect billions of peoples behaviour

[@writingref]

My brother once compared Jordan Peterson to Joseph Campbell as an equal genius and I think I threw up in my mouth.

[@toddhensley880]

We could use someone who would continue Campbell’s work of understanding and learning from the mythologies and legends of other cultures. Instead we got a wanna-be cult leader.

[@ygolonacable]

E.E. Doc Smith, Michael Moorcock, Dungeons and Dragons, and Babylon 5 taught me that order isn't necessarily good and chaos isn't necessarily bad.

[@Flux_40]

actually chaos doesn't exist, it's just very complex order !

[@OmniTranscend]

Would be good to see a video of his misunderstandings of Islam. Help clear the mud he's created

[@WisecrackEDU]

Would be a great video - just need to partner with someone who knows Islam well so we can do it justice.

[@AaronWilkerson]

@@WisecrackEDU Hakim?🤔

[@subatenome]

@@WisecrackEDUDefinitely Hakim and Lady Izdihar! I'm sure they would love to collab with you!

[@BeeWhistler]

Does he just go around making Shia Lebeouf (sp?) type videos about all religions as though he has the authority to lecture so much as a small child on their religion? Who is this nutter?

[@NoahStephens]

Yes! Apologia for all the world’s explicitly inhumane religions!

[@caseyaldridge9548]

I don't know if I've ever commented on a KZbin video. But as a Presbyterian pastor, as an educator who has assigned Wisecrack videos to my students in the past, and as someone for whom Ernst Bloch is essential to my dissertation work on religion and ecosocialist organizing, I just want to say that: a) your work is SO valuable! In an environment where it feels like the Petersons of the world present their transphobia as if it is something self-evident, or simply assume that Christianity and right-wing politics go hand-in-hand, I absolutely love your ability on this channel to slowly and patiently unravel the leaps in logic necessary to advance those arguments... keep up the good work! b) the bit about 'the poor in spirit' is interesting because that's the language in Matthew's gospel. Luke records Jesus as saying that 'blessed are the poor'; Matthew adds 'in spirit'. In the story of the rich young man or rich young ruler and the eye of the camel, depending on your translation, Luke's Jesus tells him to sell all he has and give it to the poor; in Matthew, Jesus adds that the rich man only needs to sell all he has 'if you want to be perfect'. It's subtle enough for most readers to miss, but its also the reason Karl Kautsky referred to Matthew as the preferred gospel of the rich in Foundations of Christianity. It's much harder for Peterson to make his 'humility' argument if he's drawing from Luke. But what I take from that difference is that there is class discrepancy and class struggle in the early Christian community, which was made up of slaves, workers, and landed aristocrats. Matthew and Luke are working with the same source material (scholars call it 'Q') decades after Jesus' death, they are writing for different constituencies, and they are writing in order to shape the tradition in one way or another. I for one have a hard time imagining, however, that Luke's version 'blessed are the poor' and 'sell all you have' didn't come first, given that Matthew's additions read like someone who is deeply uncomfortable with or embarrassed by his source material and wants to assure his wealthy readers that they don't really need to give away everything they have. c) your take on how Peterson leans on Tillich somewhat surprised me, given that Tillich is famous for saying that there is nothing in the gospel beyond religious socialism, was the first non-Jewish scholar expelled by the Nazis, and has been influential for Black liberation theology. Tillich has all sorts of problematic things to say about women, which is perhaps why Peterson thinks he finds a kindred spirit in Tillich. But for Tillich the transcendental, vertical relation is not height... it's depth. God is, according to Tillich, the ground of being rather than a cosmic autocrat in the sky judging our actions impartially or objectively. That's all to say that it will never stop astonishing me that there are others-and oh so many others-who do not read the incarnation of Jesus as Bloch does in Atheism in Christianity, as a rebel-figure against the vertical authority represented by Zeus, by Caesar, and by Pharaoh. And it will never stop astonishing me that 'love your neighbor as yourself' is not universally understood as a clarion call to social justice. Anyway, y'all are great.

[@weltraumaffe4155]

Pastor: You think the fact that Matthew was a tax collector may have affected what he remembered Jesus saying about the poor?

[@frankmccormick5499]

You do know that none of the Apostles actually wrote any of the Gospels that were named after them, right?

[@caseyaldridge9548]

Interesting question, but I’m with Frank on this one… the gospel authors are writing their accounts with clear knowledge of historical events which Jesus’ contemporaries would not have known anything about (ie the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 70 CE). I think it is enough to say that by the time Luke, Matthew, and John (and even Mark) were writing, Jesus was a contested figure. Matthew chooses to depict a Jesus who is less stringent on the question of wealth redistribution than Luke. But to me it seems very difficult to imagine Luke playing up that element (which can only alienate rich potential converts) if it wasn’t already quite strong in the tradition. It seems much easier to imagine a Matthew watering things down and making the gospel more palatable to the rich than Luke inventing that material altogether.

[@weltraumaffe4155]

@@frankmccormick5499 You can;t know that because nobody knows...unless you can say with certainty the origins of "Q".

[@nicolasandre9886]

Since I heard Jordy Peterson's answer to the question 'do you believe in god', I really can't even try to take him seriously anymore, and it was already quite difficult before that.

[@stevenwilson8496]

Catholic Worker here thanks for the Gustavo Gutiérrez name drop!

[@progidy7]

Jesus, world famous pacifist and celibate, must teach our boys how to fight and conquer and raise families 🤔

[@WisecrackEDU]

Amazing. This comment basically sums it up.

[@jaybee9269]

I take that compared to a certain illiterate, merchant warlord…thank you very much!

[@adversary22]

Nothing means anything except for what you want it to mean.

[@vanessamaldonado5877]

Thats how illogical conservatives ideology is really, not to mention the most illogical of all, why the f*ck would you base your entire ideology on stuff that allegedly happened 2000 years ago? Technological and societal progress is the cornerstone of humanity, all those who want to live with outdated social codes only invite trouble and regression.

[@erdood3235]

That's why so many Christians murdered my people for 1600 years, and oppressed LGBTQ people and women.

[@WizardOfCause]

"Even a broken clock!" Ahem... Unless it's a digital clock.

[@Aramithius]

Depends on how broken the digital clock is. If it's stuck on a single time, then it's still true (depending on the display it may be once a day rather than twice, but eh). But if the display is borked then yes, digital clocks are never right.

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@Aramithius I mean should would a cock with out hands.

[@ludwigvictorin1849]

I am a catholic Theologian. Peterson is completely wrong on the poverty issue but it is sort of complicated , because there are two versions of the saying " blessed are the poor" in the Bible. One is in Matthew 5:3. One is in Luke 6:20. The version in Luke is considered to be the older one and closer to the original saying of Jesus (which was probably recorded in the lost sayings Gospel "Q"). Luke's older version goes like this:" blessed are you (i.e.the disciples), who are poor". It is generally believed that Matthew later added the words "in spirit" because he had wealthier people to his community, whom he did not want to scare off. Anyway, the greek work "ptochos" , which the older version in Luke uses without the additional "in spirit" means literally something like a beggar. So, Jesus was originally praising his disciples who became poor beggars while they followed him. Of course this proves Wisecracks point, since Jesus never told his disciples to work hard to make money and to climb the dominance hierarchy, like Peterson tells his followers, but to become poor beggars for the kingdom of God, which fits with the saying: The first will be the last!

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for sharing this!

[@ludwigvictorin1849]

@@WisecrackEDU Thanks. I wanted to inform you that the american new testament scholar Bart Ehrman will soon publish a new book about the ethical views of the historical Jesus. I am not advertising for Ehrmans books, but he is a reliable source and accepteded scholar. So if you are interested in the ethics of Jesus of Nazareth, you may like his book. Ps: Forgive my typing mistakes. I am not a native English speaker but a Theologian from Germany.

[@ludwigvictorin1849]

The tentative title of Ehrmans book is: The Origins of Altruism: How the Teachings of Jesus Transformed the Conscience of the West.

[@andresymedio625]

loved it! just a little thing, and I may be totally off on this one, but the final conclusion Michael gives at 35:25 IMO should come earlier in the video, sort of like a hypothesis that will be explored during the video. I'm saying this cos it's pretty solid! thanks Michael and wisecrack team for keeping it real!

[@andrewt7264]

Hi Michael. I'm an ordained minister in the United Methodist Church. I don't care for Peterson's advice for doing my job. Loved Wisecrack for years, keep up the great work!

[@justinalexander5642]

The church is rapidly losing believers, maybe yall should take some advice.

[@netsudro]

The church always changed with the times, it is only natural. That is why it still exists. If Jesus taught us anything, is that updates are good. The church is a reflexion of our morality and values.

[@Multipurpose_Bagel]

Changed with the times? That's a better fitting reason for why there are so many denominations; it's a case of not pruning a growing plant enough, so to speak. The capital "C" Church has only been around all this time due to God, and due to remaining largely constant (discussion of relevant things to any particular time period or people obviously will come and go, but the teaching has always remained the same, even when having to cut out or off branching problems of heretical thought, etc.).

[@jessekane6534]

Yo Andrew, team philosopher ministers FTW

[@metaouroboros6324]

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[@doofusrick5998]

Well it depends what you mean by "does" and "Jordan Peterson" and what do you mean by "understand" and "Christianity"?

[@WisecrackEDU]

The phrasing of this lets us know that you are also a world historical genius.

[@JP__Delta]

😂

[@zanaia5231]

I am a Lutheran Pastor, and I greatly enjoy your channel! I would say that the work of the church is NOT to save souls... that is the work of God, our work as the church is to share the good news that God has saved souls, lives, and so much else... that takes the form of responding to the good news that we have been saved by caring for creation, advocating and caring for the most vulnerable among us, and working to draw people together rather than drawing lines in the sand. Thank you for inviting clergy to comment, and keep up the good work!

[@darren.mcauliffe]

Bunch of rich men saying "The poor suck, and look the Bible says so. I knew it!"

[@MeredithHagan]

Life is an “utter terrible catastrophe” and “stop striving for social justice/saving the planet,” but abortion is a sin. If we’re forcing people to have children, shouldn’t we at least try to create a world that’s a little less of a catastrophe to live in? Oh wait, that’s too much of a logical reduction, isn’t it? Caught you on the ad absurdum, Mr. Peterson.

[@gorequillnachovidal]

his thing is fix yourself first, then your family, then your local community...those are do able before just becoming a useless protester doing nothing.

[@oscararias6052]

15:27 The "Smart people, including Dennis Prager" line had me dying

[@conraderasmusneubert7698]

Hi, I'm a Lutheran pastor from Germany. I see two points where the care for individual relationships with God ("vertical" aspect of faith) cannot be without care for the world and people's external well-being. Even if viewed from a theologically conservative (protestant) perspective. 1. Faith in Christ or trust in God's redeeming love requires the human ability to hear and accept that message. Now, that message is continually fighting against the noise of suffering and injustice (which really suggest the opposite of God's love). Accepting the message of grace is tremendously helped by lessening of such pressures. In fact, acts of true human love towards true human dignity are themselves messengers of God's love and justice. 2. The outcome of spiritual fulfilment, true faith, births true love. Feeling you are loved by God let's you bring forth love yourself. If it doesn't, well, then Jesus himself tells you that your faith isn't true. Dead faith, without true works of love towards even your enemy, isn't faith at all. To care for people's most personal, most intimate relationship with God means we always must encourage love and a faith that works for others.

[@davidmylchreest3306]

'I don't understand what makes the poor so special' is the header on the Republican manifesto.

[@VorpalSnickerSnack]

Jordan Peterson arrived at a seminar when on of my homeless youth workers were in college. He gave a firm warning to not trust what Peterson says as he's more pseudo than anything. This is coming from a guy who's a theologian, and studies in criminology and psychology. That guy was hella smart and wish I talked to him more.

[@marcdc6809]

I guess quoting Jung gave that away for me, there's a whole industry of pseudoscience based on Jung's unsubstantiated hypotesis of personality wheels and such...

[@kyle103]

Hey! I'm a youth pastor for the young men and women that Peterson is talking to, in a southern baptist church. So pretty conservative. And I still don't think that Peterson really gets any part of the Christian Gospel. I also definitely didn't ask.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for this response! Genuinely appreciate it and your perspective.

[@bradleymarshall5489]

Peterson isn't a conservative

[@jasonbelstone3427]

Reverend? Wisecracked isn't going to do much that better at understanding it. They'll each take one half and run with that in denial of the other.

[@TellyKNetic]

"Build a ladder to heaven"??? It seems someone missed the Sunday school lesson that covered the Tower of Babel. He also missed the story of Abraham. No one who has actually studied that particular passage would describe it as an "adventure."

[@Godsen5]

Did Jordan Peterson said at 26:30 that, without the sacramental apparatus and the truths of faith (just the word of God as it was pronounced by Jesus Christ of Nazareth), Christianity would be "some sort of social justice movement"? Because, given this point, he's saying that every christian who's not also a person egangeg in social justice is actually NOT engaged in Christianity as well! I mean, I'm not even mad, that's great!

[@ichthys4147]

Jesus and Paul literally never married! Paul even tells people to not get married unless they cant help it. So by saying that the Church’s purpose is to remind men that their duty is to find a woman, get married, and have children is not true

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for this! Was hoping we'd get some helpful comments from folks who know about this stuff.

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

Of course they never married, the church wouldn't allow gay marriage

[@jaybee9269]

Only if you don’t want to die alone.

[@Leopoldshark]

Church: be fruitful and multiply Also the Church: the people who understand our religion the best are celibate because they dedicated themselves to God

[@echorises]

@@user-sl6gn1ss8p golden

[@11namesknow6]

One of the first things God literally instructs Adam to replenish the earth. It's kinda hard to do that when you sre dumping oil and plastic in the ocean

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks for this, great point.

[@Thedukeofderps]

0/10 not enough bisexual lighting

[@chadmccoy8032]

I’m following along splendidly and our guy roles out a one liner so damn funny that my adhd won’t allow me to catch back up for 10 min. LOVE THE LAUGH!!!

[@Headtube]

Holy cow! Not Jesus vs. Santa Claus again. South Park settled this issue ages ago!

[@Jedidiah_McCain]

So glad to hear a atheist/agnostic channel say what I’ve have been saying this whole time: Jordan Peterson’s a poser.

[@RictusHolloweye]

He uses religion to virtue signal.

[@Progressismade]

​@@RictusHolloweye He uses religion to make a lot of money 😅

[@Aramithius]

A few scattered thoughts: I wanted to clarify a bit about what you say on Kierkergaard. It's not so much that faith is the unknown, it's that faith is the capacity to believe that a thing (Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac, to take Kierkergaard's own example in the book Fear & Trembling) in spite of the evidence, and in spite of any moral justification. You have faith if you are not comforted by "the universal", the idea of normal ethical behaviour. Abraham both believed/knew that God would give him a lineage through Isaac, and also that he should sacrifice Isaac. And yet Abraham also believed God would fulfil his promise to Abraham "on the strength of the absurd". It's not a total lack of evidence that drives this (Abraham didn't sacrifice Isaac in the hope it would cause him to have a lineage) but God's pre-existing promise that Abraham holds onto. It feels like Peterson's main difference with mainstream Christianity is that he universalises and almost makes it pantheistic (the "it's in all of us" type thing). That then makes it so much easier for him to say "well, it's obvious/natural" or somesuch. There is some backing to the idea in Pauline theology, with the New Covenant writing the law of God on the hearts of believers (not everyone note, just believers), and the more general thing of receiving the Holy Spirit as a Christian, but that is so much more meaning within Christianity than simply being a universal conscience.

[@MrTomemac]

Peterson is interesting to listen to in that he alerts you to the fact that ppl think like him. Always good to know this stuff.

[@nescius2]

isn't _thinking_ too strong of a word for what you describe here?

[@marvinvogtde]

Jordan Perterson doesn’t understand X is probably one of my favourite KZbin genres, right next to the Correcting Johnny Harris on topic X and Y

[@FORDboy357]

"Does Jordan Peterson Understand?" Fixed that for you 👌

[@BlackKunik]

Funny.

[@6thwilbury2331]

Hahaha that was my first reaction to the video title

[@kw8295]

I'm starting to think he doesn't understand ANYTHING

[@aa1465]

I wouldve liked to hear a smart critique of this, but this was just dumb.

[@davidmckean8100]

As a Catholic I think Peterson’s fundamental misunderstanding is something you touched on at the end - he views God as a mechanism by which men can be turned into better versions of themselves. Catholic theologians have traced this line of thought back to Luther (“yes Christ has two natures, but what does it matter to me”). Of course he has it backwards - we are created for God, not the other way around.

[@1monki]

The Peterverse has an ever-growing gallery of villains. While the P. man himself slowly transformed into a third-rate Batman Villain.

[@M4TCH3SM4L0N3]

He legit was wearing the Two-Face suit for that one video! What was he thinking?

[@ethanstump]

which one though? personally i see him as a male version of enigma.

[@Zomonitan]

1:37 Jesus Christ, you can't just jump scare us with Matt Walsh like that. Frick.

[@IanM-id8or]

He can, and he did

[@tosmok]

imagine being afraid of matt walsh lmao keep up with your anime watching

[@naomisoltesz9890]

@@tosmok It's sort of like being shown a picture of maggots writhing inside a deer's carcass. Scary? For some. Viscerally disgusting? For most.

[@charlesnoname]

No, Sunshine!!! He did not chop that wood, he’s too busy saving souls and not the world. And probably something about lobsters!!!

[@jongronli1421]

The Kierkegaard moment was shocking. Because I don’t understand how someone can simultaneously get Kierkegaard and a VERY important Christian parable so right while simultaneously being so wrong about the intention of both Kierkegaard and the parable that he’s talking about. And the whole screw social justice and stop trying to save the planet thing? Christianity and the bible calls for exactly those two things. Jesus accepted, advocated for and clothed the poor, fed the hungry, accepted and advocated for the refugee as he was one himself if you take the bible as written as fact. Even hanging on the cross, he forgave the penitent thief hanging next to him as well as the people involved in killing him. Social justice and forgiveness. And it doesn’t call to conquer the land. It calls for stewardship and care of the land.

[@CaptainFooManchu]

Wisecrack has found a really good groove lately. I’m loving what you’ve been doing to mix things up with the channel. It’s less easy to consume but much better for focussed viewing. Thank you.

[@WisecrackEDU]

Thanks so much - really means a lot to hear this.

[@SaberknightX]

As someone who grew up catholic (not anymore) this is a particular sore spot for me. Idk why I'm so protective of my own interpretation of catholicism but you better believe the gloves are OFF! Great video man! Righteous anger!

[@meaningofreason]

JBP is not a catholic

[@liam3284]

He's not, but he parrots "family values" conservative catholicism. He is very "George Pell".

[@Vhlathanosh]

Same here.

[@sa8lvi]

Can somebody give me a link where wisecrack discusses exodus or similar (min 5:00)? Cant find it.

[@ZipplyZane]

I think 13:50 is what you want. At least, that's where he dives into Peterson's video series that is supposedly about Exodus.

[@AlexeiIgnavich]

Kermit calling others betas when he looks like skeleton on benzos is hilarious

[@williamstollery8326]

"He's not just making manifestos like he's Martin Luther with a KZbin account" this broke me 🤣🤣🤣

[@WisecrackEDU]

Really wanted to throw in some lines for the Lutheran community.

[@williamstollery8326]

@@WisecrackEDU as a non-Catholic practising Christian, I've gotta say as well - thanks for doing such a fair and respectful job of this. Many lesser critics of Peterson would throw the baby of faith out with the bathwater of his Conservative moral philosophy, so thanks for actually giving a fair and balanced portrayal of what the Bible and Christianity *actually teach*! 😊

[@erdood3235]

​@@WisecrackEDUmartin Luther was a proto Hitler

[@erdood3235]

I mean, martin Luther was a proto Hitler

[@erdood3235]

​@@williamstollery8326in my experience growing up in a Jewish home and environment, i absorbed that Christianity is a fake faith. The only reason to be christian in to not be oppressed. That *nobody* is Christian out of genuine belief. See all the anuism and other people who converted to Christianity under coercion

[@theCommentDevil]

Hes trying to create his own christianity, which is par for the course for christians

[@EricGranata]

Bingo

[@jaybee9269]

Nonsense.

[@cinephileosophy4877]

Protestants*

[@theCommentDevil]

@@cinephileosophy4877 it's definitely more prevalent with them indeed

[@christianandjesse7370]

Individualism rebranded Christianity

[@CinemaCakes]

It’s frustrating to watch this looking for an honest critique of ideas when there’s large portions making ad hominem attacks about things like “did he chop that wood?” It seriously makes it harder to listen to the criticism when it feels like it’s on such bad faith terms

[@genniebowles7939]

Pastor here...I care so little about what Peterson says about how I do my job...it's hard to quantify just how little I care

[@genniebowles7939]

Peterson's take on Christianity is in the same vein as right wing white Christian nationalists - they are all happy to proof-text scripture to justify their desire for power and to create a divine justification to subjugate anyone who isn't a capitalist cishet white man. It makes you wonder if they've actually read the scripture they love to quote.

[@wakkablockablaw6025]

@@genniebowles7939 There are hardly any right-wing white Christian nationalists. Good luck finding any.

[@oserogryker]

What do you mean "even"? What do you mean "audio"? What do you mean "levels"?

[@pibyte]

Jordan Peterson is a genius. He makes so much money based on the idiocy of conservatives and incels - if I had no conscience I could do the same and be so f*** rich! Let's admit that we are all just jealous.

[@ccsmooth560]

They say if you want to make money without working, learn to preach.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

What is there to be jealous of?

[@SageWon-1aussie]

I am not jealous of the coin he has amassed supporting the consolation of evil people. In the end it will avail him not at all.

[@BadassRaiden]

Kierkegaard is my guy as well and uh, it just hurts my soul when someone like Peterson invokes his name, regardless of whether or not his statements that follow are true.

[@beenz07]

I only watched part of this video, because apparently that's sufficient for commentary and I'll engage with my own paraphrases and evisceration of qualifying statements, because that's fine too. In that context, this video is excellent.

[@zotdead08]

Why does Peterson talk like AI?

[@tslilsinai9282]

More then that, its looks like an AI clip. Looking on his collar moving with no reason 😅

[@Lambda_Ovine]

because fascists relinquish all their humanity

[@BooksRebound]

THANK YOU. I just said the same thing. It looks fake.

[@jeremyofficer5038]

Without intelligence

[@omarmohamad815]

He talks like this to make his generic ideas seem more profound.

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

One of the most explicit messages in the bible is that wealth hoarding is a MASSIVE sin (in fact its basically a fastpass to hell). Really we can just stop right there

[@TrollStack]

Not a sin in itself, but that it is very difficult to resist temptation when the means to do irresponsible things are presented to someone repeatedly

[@observationsincars5083]

People these days worship the creation not the creator

[@nullakjg767]

yet the vatican is made of gold...

[@brennenderopa]

​@@nullakjg767 there is a reason that in 1310 a certain Dante placed like three popes in the lower circles of hell. Have you seen evangelical leaders like Kenneth Copeland? He already looks like he was summoned from hell and if the christian concepts of heaven and hell matter to you, he will end up in the fiery pits himself.

[@observationsincars5083]

@brennenderopa bruh kenneth copeland is on a league of his own🤣 that dude is something else. He's like a mix of Mr krabs and a demon. Just foaming at the mouth when talking about his planes and wealth.

[@ZZSmithReal]

"Think again, sunshine!" Isn't that what the Wicked Witch of the West told Dorothy when the house fell on her sister?

[@jaydef6497]

Not that I like agreeing with a broken clock- but as a queer person I would also advise my allies and companions to go to church. Yes there are queer friendly faith groups!!! The reason being, you are probably isolated and in need of community, come adopt a grandma, come organize with us, we’re out here waiting for you- the civil rights movement never ended!!! And there is power in showing up as a faith community! Personally I’m attending a Unitarian Universalist congregation, and it’s a lot cheaper than therapy.

[@inappropriatejohnson]

Jordan Peterson once read a book by Dostoyevsky. I read it too.....but he never shuts up about it. I win.

[@mightyone3737]

The weird thing though, afaik it wasn't The Possessed, because I could see a person talking about that book on their death bed.

[@jaybee9269]

He’s read one by Solzhenitsyn, too!

[@termsofusepolice]

To understand Peterson's unique, libertarian take on the teachings of Jesus consider his interpretation of "Love thy neighbor as you love yourself". Peterson does not accept the obvious intent of the commandment: Rather than be selfish strive to do for others exactly what you strive to do for yourself. Instead Peterson says this commandment reveals just how much we need to focus on and love ourselves. (This is no exaggeration of his position.)

[@hongluzhang7771]

Peterson: post modern cultural marxist is....... Marxists: who? did what? Also Peterson: Christianity is all about.... Christians: emmm...what? Imagine the irony of having two vastly polarizing groups share the same confusion on Peterson's talk.