Jordan Peterson, Eric Weinstein, & Dave Rubin LIVE! | POLITICS | Rubin Report

[@elizabethai]

Watching this made me realize that I need to vigilantly quit interrupting people. It is not a good look.

[@Captain_Of_A_Starship]

Lol, the world would appreciate that

[@pastmasterdan4080]

I feel your pain. Eye rolling and turning their body away from you, is a clear indication.

[@SteveEricJordan]

who interrupted who?

[@odaydrums]

Finally😀

[@the0therch0ice]

I'm working on that myself

[@Preest80]

"I am being drained of my empathy" Eric Weinstein This rings oh so true for me as well!

[@Preest80]

lol bravo sir

[@johnhurley7205]

Agreed

[@natclo9229]

Go meta, look from the outside, see your view and others without your own or their state contaminating it Spend time thinking about what to do from there before coming back to yourself And if you compare to the past a lot spend more time in the moment Also if you know the person is on a tape recording (ideology driven ie Democrats, feminist, religious ideas ect) or arent looking for discussion you may need to use casual conversation away from those topics to change beliefs such as all or nothing, us them, projection planting seeds from them to find later opening the door for them to notice cognitive disenance

[@josephpereira7238]

N kimmo

[@josephpereira7238]

Both modern psychology and Vajrayana Buddhism (the later has been brilliantly expressed by the H.H. The Dalai Lama) have found the selfless compassion is better than empathy

[@attentionlabel]

Thank you internet for FREE INSANE KNOWLEDGE like this!

[@estebancomulet]

Indeed, my brain is still in recovery mode from taking in too many important, high-level ideas.

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

This was so good. You could tell all three left that conversation learning something new. Couldn't ask for a better result. Thank you Dave for bringing these two together

[@ministryoftruth8499]

Do your job. The archetypal religious lobster lives.

[@skypekai]

Don't think Rubin is capable of learning anything but other than that you're right.

[@adamgm84]

This was like the concentrated Joe Rogan energy I was looking for

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

William Bodie - Giving that Dad (Peterson) is in the audience, I’m reminded of the maxim about not saying anything if I have nothing nice to say. I should follow that advice more.

[@DarthMalnu]

I watched this with my 9 year old son, and although he had no clue what the hell they were talking about, he was in awe of the intelligent discourse, and wanted more when it ended. If that doesn't make this whole damn thing worth while, I don't know what does.

[@windsongshf]

Darth Malnu... You are doing something right my friend. Carry on with your parenting. He's a lucky kid! 👍

[@thekaratekidpartii2169]

I'm not sure you thought that whole statement through. apparently your 9 year old son "had no clue what the hell they were talking about" and yet "was in awe of the intelligent discourse". which is it? either your 9 year old is smart enough to understand (at the very least) that it is intelligent discourse; or he's an idiot who's fascinated by incoherent gibberish?

[@startup_dream]

@shem I can't comprehend the poor state of life you must be living through, in order to spew such inconsiderate hatred towards a fellow man who shared a very loveable story. The ability of a child to read the gesticulation of his father and the gentlemen on the screen, would have been enough to awaken his archetypical understanding of the hero figure, thus leading him into a state of awe of a discourse he could not understand verbally. Moreover, i wish you the best of luck in life, hoping that a change of state will lead to a change of heart. Much love!

[@thekaratekidpartii2169]

@Daniel Abella no.

[@Alex-dg2mb]

My two year old watched this then told me I’m a heathen.

[@dpcsoup04]

Who else misses Jordan? Praying for him & his family.

[@jjmaccky9198]

He released an update a few days ago that he was working on a new book, so hopefully that was actually him and he is on his way to a healthy recovery and just taking some time to get back to 100%.

[@dpcsoup04]

JJMaccky thank you so much for the update my man, that made me super happy to hear. Stay strong and safe out there 👍

[@ruthevans1249]

Devon Campbell he has posted a response to recent times on his website a few days ago, I don’t have the link but it’s worth a read..... I’m so glad he is on the mend 😁

[@jantestowy123]

He’ll be back!

[@joshuarichter3558]

Lemme know if the big guy upstairs gets back to you on that one lol, good luck

[@mission772]

Can you imagine if the presidential debates were this good?

[@dr.edwardfreeman]

No! This is not logically possible. Or, speaking modally, possible only in an impossible world.

[@anyoneofus1625]

I just wish the politicians would get beyond the surface level. Anytime a politician is criticized by another the "discussion" immediately devolves to name calling and the slinging of accusations that are unfounded.

[@robertkemp185]

It is impossible as long as political ideology is the driving force behind political discussion.

[@UniversalisLogica]

Dr. Edward Freeman or if a presidential debate being this good is not an impossible event, then perhaps it occurs in a possible world, though much unlike the actual one.

[@ricardo3773]

Goosebumps...

[@quantummath]

Two extremely intelligent, hardworking, original thinkers, Jordan and Eric. Good to see them on Dave Rubin's show. Greetings from Germany. (by an Iranian academic researcher).

[@ehsanmazandarani1886]

non academic researchers living in iran also enjoying this!😁

[@quantummath]

Glad to hear that @@ehsanmazandarani1886

[@dunzek943]

mr worldwide

[@Nick-18]

The most underrated and probably one of his attributes about Peterson, is he really deeply listens to other peoples ideas and opinions. Most only wait for the other speaker to finish to make their point. Appreciate this man

[@jasongravely2351]

I love Absolutely about him too. It’s inspiring communication and care for the topics.

[@cwilson7798]

The fact that this kind of content is available, two ivy league level professors having a deep conversation about philosophical and political topics relating to the nature of our society, AND it's free absolutely blows my mind. I could never be more grateful

[@liamkellyguitar]

I agree it's great, but it is not free. You pay for it with your personal data and by watching ads.

[@charlesbirdsong6782]

@@liamkellyguitar True, but you know exactly what he meant.

[@appleeyewin5938]

I suppose we also pay in the time spent consuming lol @@liamkellyguitar

[@ewhitlock14]

Jordan Peterson “Very intelligent point” Eric Weinstien: “ Very intelligent point “ Dave Rubin : “I’m so glad we are all here on the same side”

[@dasuperbudda01]

Eric is on the left like he said it himself, but he is not radical and he is also very reasonable, and very importantly he agrees that social issues should be resolved socially and is not government's business.

[@estebancomulet]

@@dasuperbudda01 not terribly left then, more liberatarian...Dave should really live by his principles and get an actual leftie on the show. Perhaps Sam S$der?

[@ruburtoe1]

@@estebancomulet because Eric's view is more complex than is being led to believe here, so he's left according to his own astute perspective. But people far left see him as right and people far right see him as left. As the saying goes, if you're not liberal by 18 you don't have a heart, if you're not conservative by 23 you don't have a brain. I think Eric has integrated his world view into an intelligent heart of a intellectual view

[@harpsmith8570]

Social issues should not be resolved by the government, which is why we need to have unregulated abortion clinics

[@harpsmith8570]

Reality has a well known liberal bias, I take issue with that.

[@liamarunbennett8282]

this feels like watching both hemispheres of my brain in dialogue. richly satisfying discourse

[@Xartab]

They're right, I _am_ starving for this kind of conversation.

[@amac2813]

I'm new to Eric, but I'm an instant fan. He is interesting and brilliant. I want to hear more from him.

[@daroostah8940]

There is plenty of him on KZbin. I tend to lean right. I do love listening to Eric as well as Jordan. The thing is you will be labeled right or left. As long as you realize that you are deeper than any label, you will be fine.

[@apolloapostolos5127]

You can find his published works online with a quick DuckDuckGo search. It’s unbelievable the access we to these people.

[@alihijazi4451]

You can hear more from him at his podcast,The Portal!

[@noninvasive_rectal_probe8990]

a bit phat though

[@johnclever8813]

Apollo Apostolos By DuckDuckGo, you mean Tor browser.

[@geeteshm4858]

I love it when Jordan Peterson smiles. And also Rubin is extremely lovable. But man Eric has shocking truths to tell.

[@arwebb12]

10/10 guest dynamics 10/10 discussion Dave - this episode's dynamic makes one thing clear: The imperfect-overlap between independent-right and independent-left perspectives is a SCORCHING HOT NICHE that your show can deliver. I enjoyed having Shapiro in the discussion, but I'd say that *whenever possible* - see if you can hook up ind-right and ind-left guests with imperfectly-overlapping takes... the overlapping agreement can drive left-right consensus, while the rubs can draw truly BETTER battle lines that make sense. For this RR, I think this is your sweet spot - even if you're only able to coordinate it once a month. Great episode of the RR, thanks!

[@glennv3176]

Agreed, as a conservative Weinstein only lost me a little bit when he said gay men are afraid of kissing, the gay parade just went through my town and I'm still explaining to my children why there were naked men dancing to techno music on trucks while spanking eachother with leather whips. Other than that, an excellent discussion.

[@Saddamuel]

Eric Weinstein is a fantastic left wing voice. I find myself disagreeing with him but I can see his point. I have certainly been almost completely drained of my empathy because I see it being taken advantage of by those who are successfully pushing a political agenda.

[@ddillybar1]

Sandmanuel yes, he can actually discuss left wing issues in a reasonable and logical manner, and even though I don't fully agree with him on everything he makes very good arguments. That is something that is currently very rare from the left who seem to be more interested in silencing than discourse. I've definitely been questioning my lifelong liberal leanings as of late because the only intelligent discussion I see is not coming from the left. Eric made me feel like a liberal again.

[@Saddamuel]

I think Eric Weinstein is coming at these issues with the right goal in mind and for the right reasons. So there are people who talk about the pay gap as if it is a problem because they see the world as a battleground between men and women. Whereas Weinstein is thinking about whether there is a way to allow more people to achieve their potential. I'm sympathetic to the idea that taking time out of a career to raise a family can set you back in the career but that is a choice women are allowed to make if they are lucky. I have no problem with part time work or even delaying work until later in life because we live longer - so perhaps a person could enter a company in their 40s and be valuable or perhaps that is impossible. It's about coming at it from a humanist perspective rather than a selfish conflict perspective - which is odd because the left see themselves as the empathetic side but I see their grievances and solutions as more based on negative emotion.

[@leonnhor7745]

Zac Atkinson everyone here is commenting on Eric is a good left winger politician and I’m a right wing saying this and then you come out and say *the* *left* *is* *cancer!*

[@YakMommi]

I am new to listening to this channel and to Eric. I agree with you. It is quite refreshing to have examples where were disagree yet can stay respectful. As a pastor once said, "it is okay to disagree while not being disagreeable." Also the same person said " we do not need to see eye to eye to walk side by side"

[@danholo]

Don't stop the empathy, but know how to turn it off when the situation calls for it.

[@Jnt1124]

Relieved that these guys are out there. Hoping more of them emerge and bring sanity back to our society.

[@jayreyes828]

Joe Rogan introduced long form conversaron between normal individuals. This conversation was an insight into what would’ve been a private conversation between university intellectuals years ago. This is the transparency we need.

[@ccdavis94303]

Yes.

[@HolyWisdom93]

It’s great because it reveals so many people are capable of playing much more abstract games then the news/media discussions that have been taking place for years. It’s almost like they intentionally dumb things down and it’s not because people need it...

[@ccdavis94303]

my debt to guys like Rogan and Rubin grows everyday.

[@differous01]

If only the Inklings had had webcams

[@lisamcandrews8594]

Joe Rogan did not introduce the long format. I’ve been watching European TV for 30 years they’re the ones that introduced at Americas only caught on the last few years.

[@maxderrat]

EXCELLENT discussion guys. Thanks so much.

[@frankcastleisdead7473]

Max Derrat, My Brain was stuck in third gear.

[@josephburrichter9805]

Rubin looks like he’s watching a tennis match

[@sallylindberg8302]

lol! yes, he does!

[@liveitupg9885]

Joseph Burrichter 😂

[@iammichaelwilliams]

Yup. Easy day at the office for Rubin!

[@openlines3738]

Although more exciting than tennis!

[@SaulBedMan]

Rubin does a good job of not interfering with the discussion. But does put forth auestions that further the discussion. He s a good interviewer

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

This conversation embodies tremendous scope, depth and nuanced perceptions about reality itself in 2018... BRAVO!

[@MetaMM]

Thanks for making it into one sentence that covers this profound much-needed discussion that many of us needed to hear.

[@danelmore6553]

Yes. I have seen Eric in conversation with Peterson, Harris, Murray, and similarly hyper intelligent people that I agree with on *most* things - and every time, I end up thinking "Damn, Eric is REALLY smart".

[@ted_nemeth]

you phrased it well. Thank you. I'm so grateful that sensible left leaning intellectuals are getting the spotlight and not having their words rearranged into click-bate soundbites for the right. Infact its conversations like this that can eventually collapse the chasm between the left and right.

[@danelmore6553]

@@ted_nemeth It is bait, like "bait a hook". Not bate, like "masturbate". Though, the latter is probably somewhat applicable also. I agree, by the way, but it is not only "the right" making click-bait soundbites. The entire reason classical liberals like Harris or Peterson, or even very liberal types like Bret Weinstein, get "adopted" as demi-gods of the right's rhetoric-machine is that the "progressives" attack anyone who disagrees on any one issue (which is the opposite of what the word liberal ACTUALLY means). It is easy for "the right" to validate their sales-pitch that these people are on their side when their opposition is actively trying to demonize them. It was clearly demonstrated first by the "illiberal left's" assault on Harris, for his approach to radical extremism, and then even more so with Peterson and Weinstein. All of whom were behaving as rational liberals when they infuriated the collectivists masquerading as liberals. Would not surprise me if Newt Gingrich actually created the progressive-movement, because there has never been anything so good for the republican party as people on the left acting like fascists. Now the right gets to keep being fascist, but look like the more sane of two options. I have heard 2 people this week say "classical liberal means Republican now". I can not imagine a way to demonstrate more disdain for language than to make such a overtly false statement - but it sums up perfectly exactly the sales-pitch of the Republican party. "So you do not agree that Peterson is a misogynist for stating that gender is one of many factors that determine pay? You do not think Bret Weinstein is a racist for going to work on No-White-People-Allowed day? Well congratulations, you must be a Republican!" Except - that is not just wrong, it is actually completely backwards.

[@MrPJFurey]

Yes, Seems truth and real intelligence is the new cool, but primarily TRUTH!

[@douglasthompson9070]

Wow, Eric Weinstein is exceptional. Not sure why I have not heard his view points before. He compliments Jordan Peterson POVs in many facets.

[@kavankachoria1699]

Douglas Thompson it's like he knows what's going to come from jordan and he is just ready with next gem....he is the most intelligent person in the whole idw fraternity.

[@kavankachoria1699]

hoe Sand Which eric has domain knowledge of multitude domains...economics, mathematics, physics, tech, biology and so on...sam doesn't have much domain knowledge. He is good at argumenting on a particular subject related to religion.

[@ciannamccoy6253]

They seriously bounce off each other almost like sharing a brain.. No problem showing serious respect of each other.

[@deante6506]

@@joemilburn2260 Sam Harris isn't a neurologist, he is a neuroscientist which is completely different from being a neurologist that is an actual medical doctor with a specialisation in a neurology field of medicine. Sam Harris didn't do any research or lectures after getting his PhD in neuroscience. He is definitely more of a writer and philosopher than neuroscientist.

[@dr.johnpaladinshow9747]

I would find a self titled "Intellectual Dark Web" pretentious if Eric wasn't so fucking right on.

[@Wolfsheim23]

Over 500,000 views in just a month. Yes people are starved for deep intelligent unfiltered conversation.

[@heidernheinreich4827]

Dumb shit has tens of millions in the same time. You are just keen for intelligent conversations so personal depth perception takes over reality.

[@shanelewis3724]

surprised it doesn't have millions of views by now!! this is as gold as it gets! This and the one where it was these 3 plus Ben Shapiro.

[@__loafy__]

[fart huffing intensifies]

[@unitedtaps]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Sanity never sounded so beautiful!

[@DexiPawnz]

There is just too much in this conversation. I listened to it once, I'm gonna listen to the Ben one. Now, I don't know about that one, but this one I'm gonna listen multiple times, there's many great points being brought up. I wanna make a list of those and research the hell out of them. Congratulations to everyone involved.

[@joemiller7028]

Peterson and Weinstein are super geniuses. Dave is one of us.

[@pacothetourist]

ONE OF US, ONE OF US

[@Nicolas-Kage]

Interesting way of putting it

[@hellobooom]

I love when people say things like this so that their intellectual inferiority is less depressing. I have 2000 intellect

[@tylerdurden4483]

We're all just a Dave... Simple minded person speaking...a Dave.

[@arapnator17]

Dave is a conduit for intellectual discussion. He his helping make this possible, and for that he deserves applause, in my opinion.

[@appelboer5090]

This is so inspiring. It's as if the world has new colors. Thank you to these wonderful Uncles!

[@hanswurscht6625]

"Disagreeability needs to make a massiv roaring comeback!" I love that Quote :-)

[@ryanendersmith]

Dave you're so good at creating a place where these conversations happen. Love all the stuff you do.

[@RegentDorn]

I can confidetly say, without hyperbole, that this is one of the most important videos of my life.

[@Chaosdude341]

JBP and Eric have such good chemistry. I could listen to them talk for quite a while.

[@tomalcolm]

Chaosdude341 agree, but I wish I could hear the end of Eric’s thoughts. JP keeps interrupting. Gaaaahr!

[@Ratty2480]

Couldn't agree more. Eric and Jordan are such a god combo. Eric kinda helps Jordan from his tangents. I really liked Eric's idea of steelmanning the progressives talking point, and essentially taking it from them and doing it properly

[@unathidyani9160]

They do

[@thewanderingrey8830]

Eric couldn't be arsed into more debates than he should be - he would be too busy counting money at the Thiel Capital.

[@gregkelton81]

Thomas Malcolm Macleay Are you kidding? Eric never stopped talking. The few times Jordan jumped in are the only times he got to talk.

[@ycnexu]

"You became a one-man answer to the world uncle shortage" - Eric to Jordan 2:09:00

[@joeschmoe3665]

It's kind of a cool point, don't know if there is a shortage of uncles but definately of articulate brave public figures that speaks sensible and truthfully, a philosopher if you will

[@SugaryPhoenixxx]

I am a woman who works in a very male dominated field, automotive. I have done everything from commercial parts sales, to service writing, to body repair & paint correction. I would say that 95% of my coworkers are men. I have yet to encounter a man who wants to prevent me from being successful at my career. I have had far more men try to propel me forward & help me in my career than the inverse. What I can say is that I have had men be skeptical of me & my abilities, which I would argue that they should be. It is no different when the new guy comes on board, they watch him & try to see where he is competence wise, & judge him based on his abilities. They do the same for me. I do not think that just because I am a woman that I should be treated with artificial favor, although sometimes I am & I know that. I think it comes down to being a pretty face & some men like having me around for that reason alone. But ultimately I have strong work ethic, & I love what I do, & I would like to say that I am pretty competent at my job. I just dont see the "patriarchy" as it is described by some people on the left.

[@waynejones1996]

lol you don't see the patriarchy like the left because you don't have a political agenda to push down people's throats.

[@antibull4869]

was gonna comment this in reply to the other comment but seems more fitting to post it directly to you given its about you (lol) You dont see the patriarchy because you’re successful in an aspect of your life. The issue with the left is that they simply aren’t. Ive lost several friends over this past election cycle (all lefties). Not a single one of them would i label successful, and every single one of them has a sector of their life wherein they have failed (dating, school, work, etc). You have succeeded in the work sector (and id be willing to bet the others are fine too). You see that your sex didnt prevent you from “winning”. You see that the argument that society is holding your sex down is bogus and false.

[@northnova1358]

Well said👏🏻 But,,, your comment doesn’t fit the narrative, so I will just pretend I didn’t read it & continue pushing the “narrative” LOL🇨🇦🖤🇺🇸 I’ve discarded so many facts they could fill a library or the cloud🌩

[@watchzeitgeist2]

I absolutely love these guys. I've been waiting for a deeply competent rational leftie to have a discussion with Jordan, and I couldn't possibly have asked for more, pure gold

[@johnjohnson6838]

One of the most progressive and constructive conversations I’ve heard in a long time from two intellectual juggernauts. So good.

[@kristiano.7363]

Eric makes me proud to be a progressive. It's nice to have an intellect left winger that isn't tainted with radical leftism.

[@Mart-Bro]

I was just thinking the same thing. Him and Slavoj Zizek give me hope for the left

[@tigers14]

cause he has religious faith

[@dansch19]

You can say the same for Jordan. There is absolutely nothing about him that is anything but liberal and progressive unless youre a radical and then, well, anything and everything is right wing.

[@BiscuitZombies]

He isn't necessarily left wing. He is a classical liberal which is usually a relatively progressive right-wing individual (economically).

[@MassDefibrillator]

Eric was good here, I found he was driving most of the conversation, while Peterson was mostly just interjecting with his usually bland generalisations of hierarchies and metrics. You should check out Chomsky as well.

[@PordanBJeterson]

Listening to this makes me feel smarter.

[@RedWolfenstein]

But your not, are you?

[@Font-iw5wh]

Kinda makes you feel like you can go out and solve problems? I mean, after you clean your room of course.

[@j.h252]

Jordan is a gift for our time. There is no one on KZbin who has JBP's credibility, when you're not ideologically blind, there is no escaping his truth, a gift for our time. As more dirt they throw at Peterson, the more he impresses. He is a rock in heavy waters, does not go for cheap compromises, for shallow peaces, so clear, so strict, but then still heartly, following his own truth, still open for the truth of others, ready to go an extra mile for the others to meet in the middle, so no one is the winner, but an even better truth.

[@terryl7855]

Hey Andrew! Finally these two get together!

[@PordanBJeterson]

+Words of Welke *You're

[@MugenLord]

Big Fan of Peterson but never heard of Eric Weinstein before and I am starting to like this guy. I can tell Peterson is excited to find someone who can speak on his level which causes him to interrupt Weinstein from time to time. Peterson let this guy speak because It seems like he is on to something and then gets interrupted and the topic changes. Good video!

[@wokewatch8508]

It's hard not to interrupt when someone talks as much as Eric. And Jordan isn't exactly the one to sit idly without his opinion being known......

[@KnotApps]

I felt like that too till I noticed that Eric does speak a lot. Turns out that for me I was already familiar with most of JP's ideas and was interested in listening to Eric but I'd surely have wanted JP to speak up more if I'd come in without knowing about either of these people

[@kayeallen2742]

Mugen Lor

[@Riptack7591]

You have to interrupt when the person speaks so much. Jordan is good at listening.

[@EvelyntMild]

I recommend the Rubin Report with Eric and Bert Weinstein. They're brothers and have an equally deep and enlightened conversation.

[@ornicarornicar9070]

"The multidimensional complexity sems to exceed the processing capacity of the ideologues " - Brillant, Peterson

[@NessieAndrew]

Fancy shmancy words

[@tiagorodrigues515]

@@NessieAndrew no, that's called proper speech

[@BoundlessRoamad]

What he's actually saying is... the problems are being too narrowly defined by the people who think they have all the answers.

[@antibull4869]

@@BoundlessRoamad aka: they are too stupid to realize they are wrong 😂

[@SamvedIyer]

@@NessieAndrew It is English, actually. An articulate manner of speaking.

[@scottmitchell1974]

I'm filled with hope knowing these conversations are happening, and so many are watching.

[@Owl90]

YEEESS!! God bless you Dave for making this happen. You have my deepest thanks, man.

[@allenl8322]

I have so much Respect for people that can discuss ideas without devolving into ideology! Thank you so much for this interview.

[@julie-ateliervongdc7179]

I truly enjoy these discussions. Thank you Dave Rubin for bringing them to the world! Brilliant exchange of ideas!

[@Chaosdude341]

Fuuuuuck this is excellent

[@HellbinZ]

Chaosdude341 what pokemon is that tho

[@zaldare]

I found myself rewinding this discussion many times thinking "what did he say there? what does he mean? did i hear that right?" and just going back 20-30 seconds at a time. I absolutely loved this discussion and it is even more relevant today. I sincerely hope this video stays available for everyone for many years to come because it is a fantastic discussion between two sensible intellectuals.

[@chronicon5616]

Profound. I listened to this one twice. (Yeah. 2 hours twice! And, yeah, we have been starving for this level of discourse in our media for a long time.) So much enlightening insight.

[@deborahrose8621]

I can see why? I was watching Eric Weinstein and Roger Penrose interview today and repeated several sequences

[@gustavarium]

More than 600 000 people made smarter by one civil conversation. It would be very interesting to see the stats of this video by country.

[@tomkoelzer5010]

Here, here, to the great Uncles! Need more of them. Thanks Dave for hosting. I'm wandering closer to the middle ...

[@cormyat07]

Eric is more concerned about economic stability. Jordan is more concerned with family and personal competence. It's why the IDW needs both of them.

[@Wilberbeest]

Schismatic well said!

[@chrisdaman4179]

The IDW is a stupid label that on serves to add structure to something that doesnt need it. No superise the concept was eric's doing. Overbloated elitist label.

[@cormyat07]

It has utility. Anyone who knows anything about marketing understands this.

[@wanded]

I'm also skeptical about the benefits of this label...the most important thing is that they will keep it at a minimum and not accept lightweights like candice owens, when milo exploded he only hurt himself, if he was part of the IDW it would hurt all of them, they have to be extremely careful who they let in.

[@ApplezOi]

I like this description. I like to visualize it as top-down vs bottom-up approach: Eric's fighting systemic corruption, Jordan's fighting personal corruption.

[@CCCPUTER]

Man, I can't even begin to describe how much I enjoyed this conversation. Hats off, especially to Eric!

[@gaetanomontante5161]

Five years later this conversation between "Minds" still resonates as true and necessary to induce the change that we are all betting on. Thank you gentlemen.

[@rfoleymckenna]

I live for stuff like this. Thank you.

[@patrickstar64]

It's rare to see Jordan so well matched. In fact, Eric ruled the debate. Outstanding. my only wish is that the view count was in the millions. Thank you for bringing these two powerhouses together.

[@fckitall1059]

Was it meant to be a competition? Seems antithetical to the spirit of the conversation. They worked well together. 😊

[@scottp6665]

Not sure any other podcast host could sit back and let these two talk in the way that you were able to, awesome episode Dave!

[@66gtb]

Exhibit 1 why I don’t watch tv anymore.

[@glennv3176]

Sell it, sold my TV in 2011, takes a few years for your brain to heal.

[@AA14CBF]

I cut out my home TV cable and internet since 2008. 😁

[@con2858]

I think this is the most i've seen Jordan respect a person he was sitting across.

[@captainmaim]

why didn't they insult each other more? My guy friends never say anything nice to my face, and I only compliment those bastards when there's no chance they overhear it...

[@shaft9000]

^ It's only their first hangout in-the-flesh. They just aren't that tight yet, bruh.

[@robertkemp185]

Jordan Peterson is always respectful when it comes to listening. When the discussion is a debate and he is arguing a point he will defend it. The ones who disagree based on ideology are the ones who get upset and cry foul.

[@simpbeforeusleep]

@@captainmaim Because they aren't 2 dude bros hanging out in their backyard?

[@e99fuy0ng]

It's no surprise either, Eric is an exceptionally gifted intellectual.

[@mauser8515]

Thank you so much for having these two on by themselves. I was thinking when I saw the duo with Shapiro , how nice it would be to hear these two aging intellectuals speaking with you. Love this space you've created Mr Rubin, keep it up!

[@antonyguy35]

I logged on and saw this available Live. Wow! Then I got two serious (clever) guys arguing seriously .... for a long while. This is the essence of 'thinking' and 'debate' and dialogue' and 'working it out through discussion'. The fact that Dave was shut out is a measure of how good these guys are - and how important Dave's channel is ... and they are promising to bring on Shapiro.. ... At this moment, he's not on screen ..... Maybe I'll be back. But so far, so good.

[@antonyguy35]

Yup. No women. Dave, get another chair. Two chairs, actually.

[@309freddie]

Intelligent conversation with people from opposite view points!? No screaming and no hyperbole!? Geez! I thought this kind of discussion was a just vague memory/fantasy from my past. Dave, I'm literally starting to tear up at this renaissance of intelligent, civil conversation. It's you, man. You are providing the venue. Thank you so much!

[@ISD1973]

I've watched a number of these 'long conversations' and this has to be one of the best so far. My thanks to these men for their courage in the face of tyranny and chaos.

[@snuggysnorlax]

How blessed we are..... just so blessed. Humanity has a bright future.

[@snuggysnorlax]

why is there italian before my actual comment? hopefully it's the same sentiment as my english. very odd

[@wawawawawaaaw3090]

One of the best talks yet, absolutely love this one

[@rijodboy]

Watched it twice on back-to-back days. Where is my Ph.D.?

[@cavewebster]

Dave - great job - ask questions when required, otherwise stand back!

[@justinharrison803]

Sure seems like Jordan finally met his match. Amazing podcast. Thank you, Dave!!!!

[@Autuxm]

Ive returned to this episode so many times since it came out. Its just such a perfect demonstration on how to conduct difficult discussions.

[@PurpleGlobe]

One of the best talks so far. Eric is a BEAST!

[@imogen.magenta]

I LOVE this conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[@SeleckPlays]

These guys are talking about a world that I feel like I'm waking up to. Those references are deep!

[@unfilthy]

Dave should have asked Eric to explain about the wealth transfer using immigration in the sciences, which he referenced twice but never delved into.

[@MrBirgerB]

Exactly right, this topic warrants a separate discussion.

[@AABB-zb6dv]

The obvious one is: more people = more loans (banks make money) = housing shortage (real estate people make money). In short, rich people profit on immigration. But maybe he was thinking about something else.

[@thomaspaine9868]

Tired of the immigration mantra when it clearly shows that it is not working which means for a smart guy like Eric to advocate it means he's disingenuous.

[@astreocclu]

He was probably referring to the H1b abuses that bring in under qualified immigrants to take the high tech/high skill jobs of americans for a much lower wage.

[@MrBirgerB]

thats not whats hes talking about. hes talking about the transfer by immigration of wealth from employees to employers, ie from workers to companies.

[@perjohansson8099]

WOW, best conversation I have lissend to. Thank you!

[@superextremelaser]

lissened? is that a word?

[@geoppetto_hosseltoff]

How many languages do you speak, best laser ever? How many can you write? What a great time to be alive, right, Per? Amen.

[@superextremelaser]

i mostly just speak the one language but i make dumb spelling errors in zero languages. spelling errors are actually the fault of post-modern neomarxist feminist sjw's thought so it's actually all their fault.

[@geoppetto_hosseltoff]

Apologies. I didn't realize you were limited. Best of luck to you.

[@superextremelaser]

lissen here you neomarxist, im not limited in any way; i have all the power of a masculine lobster, you better not force me to use pronouns you marxist

[@lisakourkafas6410]

This is one of the most interesting conversations I have ever listened to. I hope that more in the world can listen to this. I am going to share it as much as I can. Thank you!

[@phils.4719]

There is one part of what Weinstein said that had me thinking for a while. It was about his statement that (anecdotally) in a phsyics or math department when there was only one girl there, she usually dropped out, possibly because of feeling alienated (key word being possibly, we don't know). However, when there were two girls, then both found support as a group and made it through. Initially it made me rethink about my position of pure meritocracy and the issues that feminists are complaining about when it comes to occupations that are overwhelmingly male. So yes, it's nice of Weinstein to make me do an intellectual double take. But after thinking about this, I think there is a weakness with this kind of reasoning. In Weinstein's tale, it was limited to girls who (possibly) felt overwhelmed in an nominally male environment. However, if one wants to take this to its logical conclusion, one has infinite regressions into this tale. It is not limited to women feeling "uncomfortable". The tale can be retold using a gay man who dropped out of physics because of it's overwhelmingly hetero environment. Or it could be retold with black men feeling alienated. Or it could be a left handed man feeling alienated. The point is, if there's obvious discrimination going on, I would say work on removing that kind of discrimination from the field so that minorities can be treated fairly. But at some point, it's not the field, it's the individual who is feeling alienated who might have to change their attitudes. Afterall, even in the original case with the lone girl in physics feeling overwhelmed, according to Weinstein, the phsyics departments normally are very neutral when it comes to sex. As far as I"m aware, they mostly care about physics, not someone's gender! Any hangups that a girl may feel are her own personal demons, and it's up to them to get over these demons. At some point I don't think it's up to the department to try to be "inclusive". They should strive to make the opportunities available to all who qualify, and attempt to be as courteous and respectful as possible. But all this "forced inclusion" stuff, I think while such a tale is a very rosy ideal, as stated above the problem is that we can apply it to an infinite amount of categories, not just gender, and when we do we fall right back to all this social justice inclusivity nonsense.

[@Captain_MonsterFart]

The thing that makes it extra hard being the lone woman, is that men get really threatened by it. I've seen it before in more low brow male dominated jobs too. They just can't relax when a chick is doing the same work as them. It's exhausting to be that woman. Who wants to feel like shit everyday? Why not just go do something else that doesn't have that pointless tension?

[@afifahhamilton8843]

I think you are mistaken about the men feeling threatened by the presence of the woman. Rather, I would suggest, that the sexual frisson of having a whole live woman, sending out pheromones and having hormonal cycles that alter her skin tone, her scent, her hair lustre, lip plumpness etc etc, let alone her moods, is enough to unsettle men! Men working with men know what they are doing and what each other are doing, but they do not really know what women are all about (and neither do women of course, but that's just how it is!). To expect a working environment that is 'comfortable' or conducive to full productivity once a woman shows up is not reasonable! We all know that, actually, but no one is stating it! Why not? Is it a taboo now? Apparently yes. And if a maths or physics dept full of 24 year old single men suddenly has a 24 year old woman in it she will definitely be the object of virtually all of their desires, and a total distraction. How d'ya handle that? They suffer, and she suffers. They know that most of them will be losers in that mating game, and that the 'alpha' will win her, and thus they will all feel like 'betas', and she knows that jealousy and failure will be the effect of her choice, for the losers. And choosing a man from an great array of good men is hard for her too, so she's almost bound to make a hash of it leading to all sorts of intrigues and emotional disruptions in herself and in them. It's a nightmare for them all. Better by far to have men and women occupy areas of interest without the weird pressure from others to do the work of the other sex! What is all that about? Girls and women should be given an education like that of boys, but with each sex having the additional angle on their speciality, for them. Girls need to know, in a positive and uplifting way, that they have the means of reproducing a baby right there in their bodies, built in, and excellent - indeed they should be specifically taught that it is a glorious task, with heaps of great feedback as the children mature, as long as she selects a good, capable man, who can earn well, and who wants to dedicate his efforts to her and their growing family. Better for her, better for the children and better for the men. Women will find endless meaningful avenues of intellectual and earning value during and after this proper biologically appropriate stage. I certainly have! Yes, the traditional patterns are indeed superior. Obviously. Those who despise such things are the trouble makers. Look what trouble they have made for us all! Any great invention or theorem that a woman can be credited with is NOT due to her sex, and in the vast majority of cases a man could have achieved it just as well, and probably did. There has been nothing to stop women from being fantastic composers, yet few have been. Many play in orchestras, many listen to music and are deeply musical, but few give the sort of focused attention to composing symphonies or operas. And don't tell me it's because the male domination of the field precludes them! It does not. To quote the famous Nobel Laureate, the physiologist Tim Hunt "Let me tell you about my trouble with girls … three things happen when they are in the lab … You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, they cry". He didn't get a Nobel Prize for nothing! Indeed he nailed it

[@Nightdare]

Polite Q I'm in such a "Low Brow Job" and you're half right, none of us guys want to report to HRM over bullshit that would have no repercussions among men, but require us to walk on eggshells when there are women around

[@afifahhamilton8843]

Exactly Nightdare. You and the guys would be perfectly able to get on together doing the work, whatever it is, but once a female rocks up, you are all somewhat put out, as they seem to want things to be less male! Well, they should have gone into a different job! And in Scandinavia, that is exactly what they freely do. FREEDOM!!

[@Nightdare]

Yeah, that's about it Mr Q and Mr Hamilton above, appear to be under the impression that men are either jealous/incompetent or oversexed None of that, it's about not being able to act/express freely what can be done among male colleagues alone without far reaching repercussions Now, I would feel like some chauvinist, if I wasn't constantly supported in my opinion by women who admit they rather work with men than women

[@Igneshto]

THIS IS SO GOOD!!!!!!

[@davidjulian4575]

One of the best talks I ever had the pleasure to witness. Thank all three of you!

[@carlotapuig]

Excellent discussion

[@frankcastleisdead7473]

carlotapuig, It was really fucking good, and I don’t curse much, lol.

[@ickes2255]

The host is quiet for so long during this that I forgot he was there. Nothing against the house but I love it. Thank you

[@deborahrose8621]

I know what you mean. I forgot he was there but when I noticed him again I had a whole new level of appreciation. He obviously holds his own with them but his purpose was to allow the two minds to come together. He did a great facilitating job.

[@barrettxiong1469]

thats when you know the discussion is amazing

[@barrettxiong1469]

btw Dolores, bring yourself back up online please

[@Viper1074]

Mr. Dave Rubin, thank you for hosting this and others like it, I watched pt2 first, nothing thinking it was a pt2. Great conversation, learned many things.

[@peanutnickels9448]

After watching this, I think that where Rubin could really shine as a host for these conversations is helping even out the distribution of speaking time. It would also help Eric gain some insight into how long he talks and dominates all of the time of everyone there and maybe even help him condense his points into a more concise statement that has more impact and is easy to digest. Sometimes the best way for someone to understand that they are doing something wrong socially is for friends to help steer them in the right direction, not necessarily tell them stop doing it. For example, I didn't realize how often I used the phrase "you know" in conversation until a friend said jokingly "if I don't know, trust that I will tell you". And we had a little chuckle, but after that, I started to hear myself saying it far too often and it helped me change the habit.

[@GrubKiller436]

He's like trying to shrug Peterson off all the time, lol.

[@254madmax]

I disagree. One because of a point they made earlier and that was we have matured from what television media had conditioned us to be and that is to look for a winner in an argument instead of learning from a discussion through formats - like don't interrupt , interrupt or you are speaking for too long. Going by the majority of comments very many people were impressed by Eric's thought processes having not known him as compared to JP. Not sure I'm making any sense And two some arguments presented cannot be summarised from the top of one's head as we might want them to do .. it would be soo demanding of what these geniuses are venturing into and worse loose the audience having most not understand premises and fundamentals .. also not sure I'm making any sense - anyway , one love from Nairobi.

[@downeybill]

actually it's fun watching two super geniuses who are used to dominating conversations facing each other. may the best interrupter win! I get it, if I had that many brilliant things to say I'd be champing at the bit to speak too.

[@matthewhockenbury4037]

I agree. Watching Peterson constantly interrupt Weinstein was cringe worthy

[@brianl9142]

"The Eric Weinstein show" featuring.... those other two guys. A monologue with brief reactions. Interesting and insightful nonetheless.

[@0mnis14sh]

Best talk I've seen in a very long time. Need more Eric!

[@michaeledwards7967]

I am a little astounded that I have only in the last two weeks come to the knowledge of the existence of Peterson, Weinstein brothers and even Dave Rubin (although i discount you dave as I had discounted TYT a while ago). This stuff is pure gold. Thank you so much.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

Michael Edwards - Welcome Michael. By a simple stroke of luck, I found Dave 2-3 years ago. He’s a good man who wants to be the next Larry King... who has a niche in the political space. As for Eric Weinstein, be aware that he has a brother named Brett who is an evolutionary biologist. Dave, Bret, and Eric have an interesting discussion together you might enjoy. Also, one of my favorite episodes is with Shawn Hopwood. The guy is an ex-convict, convicted for multiple bank robberies... who learned a little about law in prison.... who is now a law professor at Georgetown. Incredible story that discusses criminal justice reform. My political views are libertarian right, but I really enjoy listening to people like Eric Weinstein, etc. While I don’t necessarily agree with his politics, I am reminded that it hurts no one to treat others with a little kindness. Stay well.

[@SHAMIEN]

Wait for it, Dave.

[@puffinpal]

SHAMIEN Peter Jordanson UTTERLY DECIMATES Rave Dubin AND MAKES HIM CRY1!11!

[@micahalb]

A true artist!haha

[@dabouye]

Hahaha, looking forward to next video of this one!

[@KingCanuck2814]

SHAMIEN Love your videos homie keep em up

[@rudyeckert]

upvote shamien to the top so that they know they are under surveillance

[@blueheron8692]

2:05 No mystery here. Jordan is a person who walks the talk. Well read. Science based. Articulate. Passionate about the state of mankind. Self made. Been the trenches of clinical psychology. And is aiming high. Good for him!

[@buckstarwell7938]

Jordan Pederson is a right wing celebrity professor who does not use a fact based argument. He is not legitimate or representative of a consensus among his peers. Both Pederson and Weinstein are celebrities purely because they vilify the media and focus on the extreme left while glossing over conservative media and the extreme right.

[@tarayofsunshine]

Buck Starwell That is the pigeon holed, boxed in, inaccurate assessment of Peterson's dynamic, human subjective position, a narrative perpetuated by the MSM who attack him because they find him threatening to their scheme. You've missed the point and I would guess you didn't listen to much of any of these casts. The important thing about these individuals is not their respective positions, but that they seem to be the only ones willing to break out of the established slots of discourse and reach across their ideological landscapes to cooperate and have true, honest, necessary discussion to reach, in unity, for a rational attainable future, together. That's the only gateway into a future we will all want to live in: egos and subjective opinions on the backburner, in favor of unity and compromise for the good of all.

[@tarayofsunshine]

And Peterson uses facts and data, but also supports and theorizes using common symbolism, tropes, mythologies, literature, etc. From which he has intuited a real world, applicable philosophy that IS helping many people find meaning and purpose in their lives. If it doesn't work for you, ok, move on. People have widely varying subjective circumstances and philosophies. There will be no one size fits all solution. But a self-actualizing professor who discovers a way to positively impact hundreds of thousands of lives, and who is in-demand for doing so is far from illegitimate, and I predict that will become clear as the future unfolds, better for his having cared enough to try. What can any one of us say we have contributed to the collective benefit? You may not agree with his philosophy, but his efforts seem to be in earnest and have had positive results for many. Its easy for one who is not putting it all on the line to criticise those who are, especially when they are succeeding.

[@joshgreene1939]

@@tarayofsunshine why r u even reacting to... an animal lol

[@deborahrose8621]

@@buckstarwell7938 Oh really! You don't say. Yawn ...

[@traceysteinbach5407]

Always love listening to Eric’s opinions and interpretations.. he is spot on

[@jeffersonmarks7412]

There was so much useful strategy for engaging with others in dialog and negotiation. Steelmanning. Bands of brothers. Re-calibrating the axes of your ally/enemy matrices. Cigar wielding uncles. Tough, funky aunts. Great stuff, man. Great stuff.

[@dandrory]

Loved it.These are two very smart guys mutually making each other smarter. Will have to watch this again, just to make sure I took all I can

[@Nirvana7734]

This is easily one of the most interesting discussions that I've watched. Thank you to everyone who made this possible.

[@darkpoetry7771]

These guys are the AVENGERS. This is History in the making.

[@miltonmiller]

Weinstein said this video could get to 100 thousand views. Right now, 13 hours after publishing, it is already 135 thousand views. Things are better than we can imagine.

[@DanielleFerreira-uk9yt]

Dave I’m sure you’ve heard this so many times, but thank you. I shouldn’t expand on that because we’ll be here for a while, but you’ve changed so many lives and expanded seemingly even more minds, so thank you.

[@joemiller7028]

Weinstein is so sharp and underrated.

[@johnhurley7205]

joe kean I don't think he's under rated I don't think he's been evaluated by enough people yet. I think he's even sharper than his brother although he's got a smokin hot and super intelligent wife.

[@miggyback]

I couldn't agree more. Its one thing to make good, well rehearsed arguments that form a coherent logical framework (JP), but to be able to do so on the fly, with interruptions, and with such eloquence just puts Eric in a different league. He is a real heavyweight.

[@Keshet1571]

Eric Weinstein is brilliant. There is no topic that I've heard discussed with him as a participant that he has failed to have a profound insight about. I've seen him with Lex Fridman, where he was superlative again. (Lex is definitely worth checking out: he 's an MIT engineer who makes deep learning and neural networks accessible to non-engineers. He has a marvelous podcast and a KZbin channel.) Eric Weinstein is especially interesting when he talks about...higher mathematics. Yes. He makes that fascinating. I'm so happy that there are brilliant thinkers out there who are willing to face our current "cancel culture" times. That they can speak for 2- 3 hours with one guest or 2- 3 has restored my faith in humanity- and also makes me hopeful that this climate of being able to speak civilly and with interest to others with divergent viewpoints from our own will simply grow. That will only enrich us all. Jordan Peterson is simply my favorite Jungian existential psychotherapist on the planet. I could listen to him for hours, have learned more from him that from anyone else. He has had a terrible time with the radical Left, and I hope that he will be back and talking publicly again. soon. He has reached and helped so many people; his is a voice that I miss. Others to check out and support: David Berlinski, Joe Rogan, Peter Hitchens, Victor Davis Hanson, and of course, Eric Weinstein, Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, and Jordan Peterson.

[@RandomCarrot2806]

On my 5th viewing now and it feels like I pick up new things in this discussion every time. 2 intellectual power houses and a host that knows how to stay out of the way when the discussion is flowing makes for an incredible talk or debate or whatever you want to call it.

[@anonymousonlineuser6543]

Thank you for doing this and being there and present. This is awesome. Best entertainment I have ever had.

[@gabrielprime4408]

This discussion has already made this a good day.

[@wille2403]

I must say, I have seen Eric before... but man does he speak with presence!!! Powerful and competent man!

[@shayquegan1]

Great talk !! …I’m 73 yo female and see both Jordan and Eric’s points.. thx to Dave for making it possible!!

[@rpfcreates4476]

This is just fun to listen to. I love anything that inspires me to reflect on things or take a deeper look at a different view point. Remember, the best way to solidify your own views is to learn the opposing viewpoint through and through. Thanks for this Rubin!

[@milton7763]

“Is THIS a political movement?” No, it’s a conversation

[@matts8249]

So it's a political movement.

[@CarlsonARTS]

As a freshman in a private high school called academy, my job was to do janitorial duties in exchange for help with my tuition. Every time I went into the drafting room to clean, I would enjoy the smell of the graphite, and I would sit at the tables and just dream and wish that I could take the class. You see, I had been denied taking a drafting class from day one my freshman year. The reason that was given was not that I didn't have enough math understanding, but that I was female and females don't do drafting.That is for the man's world. This was in the mid-sixties. I felt so bad because I had been thinking about house plans ever since I could carry a piece of wood and lay it down on the ground to form where my walls were going to be, where my doors and windows were going be. I'm talking about a little kid taking pieces of wood from of the wood pile to form a real-life floor plan with the materials at hand. Yes, I have a love for architecture more than any other art form. I went on to major in Art in college. I obtained my B.S. in Sculpture and Design. While in college, I did take an Architectural Appreciation class, and the teacher, Robert Berman an Architect in Glendale, California, told me years later, that if he would have known then that I wanted to be an architect, he would have certainly helped me to go through Architectural school and to make it, even if I needed extra tutoring in math, which I admit, I am good for general math but beyond that, it's not too great even though I took an Analytical Geometry class and got a B+ at a junior college. When I confronted the teacher that it seemed to me I should be having an A, based on my tests, he told me he would never give a female an "A," and that I should not have been in the class in the first place, and that I should not have had the help of some of the other male students to understand the material. He went to say that no woman should ever become a building contractor, which I was thinking of doing at the time. You can imagine my shock, since this was anout 6 years after I had graduated from college. By the way, Robert Berman also confided that he thought I was a Nursing student, because most of the gals that took his class just needed the class to complete their requirements in Art for their Nursing degree. Later in life, I taught myself some drafting skills and developed my own business doing Interior Design. Fortunate enough, I worked with two twin guys, one held the Contractor's license, and between the two, they could do almost anything that I drew up for remodeling purposes. I just love remodeling because it takes a space that isn't right and makes it into something beautiful and very interesting as well as increasing its functionality. I was raising my son by myself while doing this business. I could make my own hours, which helped a lot to work around his schooling and other activities. After 12 years, I decided to make a change and finished my Teaching Credential. I worked as a Home School teacher for 5 years before the California laws changed, which would require me to go back and get my Multiple Subject Teaching Credential. At the time I only had a Single Subject Teaching Credential which was no longer viable in order to continue in my job. I tried to go back into doing Interior Design for a whole year, but the downturn in the economy just destroyed the building industry and everything connected to it. This was due to the 2008-09 economic downturn. That's the way life changes. It seems that since Obama's turn in the White House, nearly everything has had a downturn. I still love drawing floor plans and ideas for interesting architectural living spaces. I often wonder what my life would have turned out to be, if I would have been allowed to take drafting my freshman year or even by my sophomore year of Academy? By the time my Son's generation was ready for college, a lot more females were being allowed to become architects, in fact, one of the girls he was sweet on as a child became an Architect... Yes, I couldn't help but feel a little jealous. But I was glad to see how much things have changed in a few years. I think all people should be tested to find their natural talents and abilities, and then steered in that direction in schooling. Of course, I believe the way our schools are put together could drastically change for the better. I have had my ideas.On how I would do it. I'm happy to see Jordan starting his school, and I wish him all the success! 😊 LuxLucent

[@SS-qf3pq]

I love this. Amazing conversation.