Jordan Peterson, God, & Christianity | Kaczor & Petrusek | EP 212

This episode was recorded on September 6, 2021.
Dr. Christopher Kaczor, Dr. Matthew Petrusek, and I discuss their new book “Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity”-the first systematic analysis of 12 Rules for Life and my biblical series from a Christian perspective. We also cover-just to name a few-truth in fiction, time before consciousness, faith, evolution, love, and acting as if God exists.
Dr. Christopher Kaczor is a Professor of Philosophy at Loyola Marymount University. He was appointed a Corresponding Member of the Pontifical Academy for Life of Vatican City, is a fellow of the Word on Fire Institute, and won a Templeton Grant for his work. He has written many scholarly articles and books.
Dr. Matthew R. Petrusek is an associate professor at Loyola Marymount University in LA. He holds an MA from Yale and a PhD from the University of Chicago. Dr. Petrusek specializes in Christian ethics and moral theology and lectures on a range of topics surrounding philosophy, theology, and Catholicism.
Find more Dr. Christopher Kaczor on Twitter @Prof_Kaczor:
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[00:00] Intro
[02:26] The motivation behind "Jordan Peterson, God, and Christianity"
[09:34] Genesis, the literal sense in scripture and the truth in fiction
[10:21] "The Atheist types miss that fiction isn't false" Jordan Peterson
[11:45] "A story that can change your life has a power that is best described as religious" JP
[12:23] Truth in fiction and religious text
[14:00] "I think truth is broader [than the empirically verifiable]"
[18:44] The problem with the empirical approach and replacing God
[22:07] "[When] Ceasar becomes inflated to God, all hell breaks loose" JP
[22:35] "If we don't segregate off the religious instinct and give it its proper attention, [everything] starts becoming inappropriately contaminated with religious longing. That's why you see [division and] the rise in powerful political ideologies" JP
[23:32] On the perversion of the religious instinct
[25:41] The Bible's warning in Noah and the tower of Babel
[30:43] Time before consciousness
[36:43] "Matter at the quantum level makes it difficult to think of a universe without conscious observers" JP
[40:45] Are science and religion at odds?
[44:00] Dr. Petrusek on science/religion
[46:31] On Faith
[54:52] Imitating the spirit of the Father
[54:56] "You can conceptualize Christ as the representation of all things admirable." JP
[57:53] "Faith is the willingness to act that out in the world" JP
[01:00:27] Why we must strive to be good
[01:01:12] "I am loved and I wish to love, and I recognize that I will fail time and time again" Matthew Petrusek
[01:05:26] Evolution and religion
[01:11:09] The creation of the universe
[01:11:36] The church and Dr. Peterson's popularity
[01:15:41] "Faith cannot oppose reason" MP
[01:16:48] The challenge of drawing younger people to church
[01:33:31] Acting as if God exists
[01:36:37] "Your life isn’t about you and your own thoughts" MP
[01:39:46] "When people fall in love with one another, they see the perfection that could conceivably exist. It's like the curtains of illusion pull apart momentarily, and you see the paradisal state that could be there" JP
[01:40:10] God's love and the love between a parent and a child
[01:43:07] How to treat those we love
[01:43:29] "The more love you view other people with, the higher the moral demand that’s placed on you" JP
[01:44:25] “I think there’s too much moral authority in the church" JP
[01:44:39] The ten commandments; the moral load of sin
[01:49:25] Understanding hell
[01:55:22] More on Word on Fire
[01:58:04] The Exodus lectures
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[@kateredhead7334]

I was a quiet atheist until I sat on the side of the bed and watched my mother die. All doubt has been removed. There is something so great, powerful and compassionate that loves us unconditionally. Faith was the last and greatest gift my mother left me.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Wow. I'm sorry that you lost your mother, but happy that you found faith.

[@peaceandlove544]

Wowwww, sadly it had to be until such a sad moment but what a gift for this and eternal lives coming out from such a moment. We were created from love and will go back to our creator out of his love.

[@Really250]

I am sorry for you loss.

[@oladipogeorge9398]

Faith is a Gift of God. Eph 2:8-9. It’s precious , you can lose many things but not faith in Jesus. The whole world, your flesh , the devil are all fighting tirelessly to steal it, suppress it, and ultimately destroy it.

[@oladipogeorge9398]

Sorry about your loss but glad you found Faith

[@SexyEarHole]

I’ve been very cynical and anti Christianity most of my life. Nowadays, I get excited to watch three hour discussions on God and Christianity! It’s ridiculous pretty wild, but wonderful. I’m 47.

[@jacewilliams6478]

This is beautiful my brother. 🙏🏼

[@markstamm7205]

Sounds to me like Gods hand is on your life brother. I was really antichrist

[@markstamm7205]

Nobody can come to God unless he draw them. He's the one who changes mans heart. Truth is hes the only one that knows the depths of a mans heart

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Wondeful!

[@martinrivera6770]

Few more powerful words of wisdom were ever spoken in history than those of Saint Augustine.. “our heart is restless until it rests in thee, Lord” If you enjoy these discussions as much as I have been, and as drawn to them as you are today, I invite you to read “Confessions” by St Augustine. You won’t be able to put it down. Praying for you brother!

[@kriss8499]

I didn’t actively or enthusiastically seek God until I started listening to Jordan Peterson’s lectures. I guess he planted the seeds. I found Word on Fire and Bible in a year afterwards. He truly is a light in the dark.

[@worthwoodyard2142]

Amen. God is using him in a huge way.

[@MK-yg9po]

As much as I admire his way of thinking, he hasn't shown me any convincing arguments that would inspire me to believe that any higher power like a "God" exists. If humans lump all their "unknowns" into a single deity, that is what "God" is. We the humans have created God to fill the knowledge gap, as the gap gets filled with real understanding, our need for God is diminishing. Organized religion is a real thing, but God is not.

[@stevecampbell5314]

@@MK-yg9po science will never answer what caused the 'big bang', yet it happened. Besides, science and belief in God are not contradictory. Science could be described as searching for the truth, including about God.

[@franmorrison1080]

@@MK-yg9po what is the purpose and meaning of your life? Also have a look at prophecy, most has been fulfilled

[@MK-yg9po]

@@franmorrison1080 Prophecy has been about as accurate as the almanac or horoscopes. If you are vague enough, anything can be interpreted the way you want it. As far as meaning of my life.....we'll see when I'm gone if it had any meaning.

[@Aa07aa]

The reason young people are attracted to the biblical series is because a lot of us are realising how fake the “culture” we live in is. We all know deep down there is a greater meaning to life.. which has been in the bible all this time. However, most churches etc just teach us words and actions without meaning. With your lectures we are able to understand it in conjunction with modern knowledge. Thank you for this and God bless 🙏🏾

[@AK-ne4og]

ditto

[@twntwrs]

You do understand that the stories in the Bible are not true, yes?

[@Aa07aa]

@@twntwrs They are metaphorical, yet have universal lessons on morality. Jesus’ teachings are most important.

[@twntwrs]

@@Aa07aa What would be one of Jesus' teachings that you couldn't have come up with yourself or people who have never heard of Jesus couldn't have arrived at themselves?

[@Aa07aa]

@@twntwrs Thats the whole point.. everything he says is true because it resonates with everyone. We all already know this innately but a lot of people are asleep and distracted by materialistic things and their ego. They forget their spirit, thats the reason he says you need to be “born again”. Guess you can say he reminds us of who/what we are and what our purpose is.

[@heycolombia7977]

My journey to the Catholic faith started some years ago when I watched Jordan Peterson's Biblical Series.... he didn't convert me, but he definitely without a doubt opened the door for me to be able to overcome my prejudiced view of religion and explore Christianity with an open mind.... I recently completed RCIA and am now a baptized practicing Catholic. Praise be to God.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

So absolutely delighted for you!

[@Montana_Ranch_Rescue]

Well done, man 🙌🏻 May God bless you in the Catholic journey

[@damian_ski]

From my first encounter with JP talks, it stroked me how Catholic he sounds. I was rather surprised, he is not openly one.

[@twntwrs]

A deity born parthenogenetically in a human female arranges to have himself as his own son tortured to death, come back to life and ascend to the heavens unaided by technology to return to himself about 2000 years ago to absolve you of your "sins" today. Not absurd enough as a myth you've now decided to arrange your life around it.

[@damian_ski]

@@twntwrs Ok, so what about. There was absolutely nothing, but by some rules of quantum mechanics which just arrive out of nowhere, an ideally sorted system appeared out of nowhere, with 0 entropy, which started falling into chaos, giving birth to all life, which is totally pointless, as it's going to fall into cold emptiness, like it never existed, with no traces remaining of even slightest form of information. Yeah, that sounds plausible 😁.

[@dyltherapper9069]

Dr.Peterson, you will never know how much of an impact you have had in my life. No father , lots of issues, you really pulled me out of a dark spot. 26 year old from Toronto , and I just wanted to say THANK YOU

[@MrGilRoland]

I wish I met JP when I was 26, timing is everything.

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

You just gained a new subscriber. 👍 Sending you positive vibes and hoping the best for your career.

[@dyltherapper9069]

@@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm thank you Mike. I really appreciate that.

[@kamto5226]

Amen!

[@elektrotehnik94]

@@MrGilRoland If the goal is to change others, timing may be important (but maybe not). But if the goal is to be in amazement of what you turned out to be/ embody... to be loved & feel loved unconditionally... to feel fulfilled....to experience, in this moment, a life you can't believe you have the privilege of experiencing... timing doesn't really matter much at all!

[@christopherroot1603]

I'm was raised in a devout Catholic family, went to all Catholic schools, and went to mass weekly. I fell away from the faith when I was about 15. I came across a Jordan Peterson video in 2017 while I was still in college and have watched/read most of his content since then. I am now a practicing Catholic going to church weekly. I met an atheist woman, converted her, and now she is my wife. Jordan Peterson's advice has helped me turn my life around. I am living the American middle class dream and couldn't be happier with my life. Glad to see he is covering these topics still and that he is becoming more active again. The world needs more men like him.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

So glad that you are back in the Church. Welcome home

[@P.H.888]

You converted your wife! WOW What did you do after breakfast?

[@ThePilgrim_Redeemed]

This is one reason why Jordan is beloved. He is vulnerable when he talks about love, empathy and God. God bless you Dr. Peterson.

[@the2ndcoming135]

Yeah, he’s one of those people that no matter how logically he’ll explain something, he’ll still receive backlash over some unfounded and unrelated reason.

[@spiralsun1]

I not only can understand but I feel what he deeply feels. What a gift.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

Yes, I love that he doesn't have that arrogance that most other intellectuals project.

[@keithcampbell7820]

Part of what Dr Peterson has accomplished, is bringing so many to the table of proper discourse.

[@anerkant]

@Ajita Corp crap, scrap it.

[@Illlium]

Safe to say the man is a national treasure.

[@vmvs1984]

14:23-14:58

[@vmvs1984]

14:23-14:58

[@vmvs1984]

22:38-23:54

[@jamesmcnicholas2554]

I met a man near the Mourne mountains , Northern Ireland Turned out he was a Catholic priest, teacher, lecturer in Rome, home visiting his brother who was also a ( local parish) priest. I mentioned my returning path to faith being strongly influenced by a Canadian Psychologist He smiled the most beautiful knowing boyish ( belaying his age as he was certainly in his 60's) smile and said that would be Jordan Peterson. My heart leapt instantaneously with the connection, as we discussed his lecture s in the cold air and his loving respectful reflection on JP's lectures was so evident. (His favorite to that date was his interview with Bishop Barron whome he had himself met in person..) Although it was obscure meeting, only 20 minutes, I felt something akin to a kindred with this wonderful guy, who like JP did not egotistically use his knowledge to brow beat or show off but to share and point. I have thanked God many times since for providing yet another great connection and spiritual reinforcement. So thankful that Jordan has shared his life and journey with us. Reckoned many times over the last three years that I (60+er, ) was blessed to be alive at this precise time... Thanks, great pod and 💜to you three.

[@lukemccann]

Good man James! Love and prayers from Belfast

[@TheKingsDaughter4227]

Yes, thank you for sharing your experience! Love and prayers from Colorado ☀️

[@peaceandlove544]

not a fan of Barron, he is beautiful many times but his liberal actions departs from true church teachings.

[@patricksheehan6152]

This sounds like Fr Paul Murray OP (a Dominican priest) who is himself a very interesting figure - and humble as you say. He is theologian and a poet and a great writer on spirituality. Considering what you say about yourself you might be interested in one of his books - IN THE GRIP OF LIGHT.

[@jamesmcnicholas2554]

@@patricksheehan6152 So thoughtful. Thanks Patrick, I definitely look him up. 👍

[@gollumsring]

The last part of this video where you each made an emotional connection with each other, truly, that was God in your midst.

[@chrishutch13]

Exactly what I was thinking. I found it quite beautiful and moving.

[@hombre1075]

This guy is gigantic. He makes people believe in themselves, in their ability to change life and themselves to the better, in ability to think and gives courage to say the truth. A profound truth which does not look excessive, exaggerated or arrogant. The so long needed truth. He brought up the issue of religion back to the attention of a broad public. He made and keeps making a tremendous change in modern social thinking. To say I admire him is to say nothing. Still I am very attentive to details and critical, but even this is attributable to what I learned from him. I thank God for sending him to us.

[@spiralsun1]

Well said. Much love ❤️‍🔥

[@simoncameron4355]

@@spiralsun1 Would you call him an edifus! :) Rock on man.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

agree 100

[@robertgroves7713]

Good review!

[@anthonyman8008]

Hes a deceiver

[@jefflanahan8812]

The power of these discussions: I am listening to this at 1pm on Sunday instead of watching NFL football.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Nice! Thank you for listening.

[@WholeheartedlyHomestead]

That's awesome!! I'm trying to remove a lot of the "idol" junk my family consumes and replace it with things that provoke the mind instead of numbing it out.

[@tienkepelzman3132]

Power to you

[@edwardstarrett5545]

Jordans books and lectures, particularly the biblical series pulled me back from a very dark place when I lost my wife in '19 to alcoholism. Now his continuing podcasts and lectures help me get up and find meaning every day. This man is a treasure to mankind! Bless you Dr Peterson! Can't wait to see you in SLC! Couldn't afford VIP but I wasn't going to miss it! Please never stop! The world needs truth! And there's never been anyone more perfectly suited for his time!

[@nicholasgoldsborough1563]

I even listen to his lectures multiple times and always get a new bit I missed. Or maybe a bit that means more to me now. Sorry for your loss. I had a wife with addictions too brother. 🙏

[@GSP-]

God bless you brother!

[@stevenlucas8826]

God bless you Ed, so sorry your wife was taken by that terrible affliction . the cost of addiction and its wake is so brutally heartbreaking . Your words on JP are well penned and I agree 100 %. He is a voice of truth in a barren landscape of idiology...a treasure indeed , as are you my friend !

[@dasbestebrot1101]

I'm very sorry about your loss. I hope you'll enjoy JPs lecture, going to see him this year too, really looking forward to it as well!

[@edwardstarrett5545]

@Jack Mars. Nice. And that makes you? A troll? Enlightened? Brilliant beyond my understanding probably. But thanks, I'll stick with JBP, you do you.

[@stephaniefreeamericancitiz1489]

Dr. Matthew Petrusek - That's my younger brother & am so proud his voice is a part of this discussion. Love you bro - Stephanie

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Nice! He's a great guy.

[@stephaniefreeamericancitiz1489]

@@christopherkaczor8288Hello from very snowy Coeur d'Alene Idaho! It was wonderful to hear all about the book & this whole discussion was outstanding. Been a JB fan for years. I can't wait to get the book! Stephanie

[@christopherkaczor8288]

@@stephaniefreeamericancitiz1489 Thank you! Hope you like the book.

[@lydiaventer4440]

I had two near death experiences in my life. The first by missing the infamous Church street bombings in the 80's here in South Africa and in 2015 I land up in hospital with a Dr Mbala telling me, unfortunately you have waited too long to be treated but he will try his best. For me to wake up 6 days later and my children telling me they were called by the dr to come and say their goodbyes as my Malaria was detected too late and my blood levels drop way to fast and that within the day (which was my birthday) would drop to the level where white and red blood cells will split and they can do nothing about it. That is how you KNOW there was NO chance for survival and I am alive and well, however a 22yr old boy died 2 weeks prior also to Malaria and he had more than 50% chance of surviving. That is a time and place where you don't ask questions, there is only one answer, God.....

[@L8Pilot]

Amen

[@HelenEk7]

My husband had just turned a corner of a building in Pretoria, and a bomb went off behind him. He was not injured, but if he had been 1 minute earlier he would probably had been dead. He also postponed a train trip in London - as he was supposed to go with the trained that was bombed in 2006, but some friends asked him to stay at their house a bit longer to receive a new mattress they had ordered. So he escaped death twice.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you Jordan for engaging us in conversation. Matthew and I are grateful to you.

[@positiveliving.]

I wish you had tied in some of the prophetic components of the Bible as it relates to our psychological make up. Why does humanity resonate so much with the supernatural?

[@levernis5753]

Thank you sir for participating great conversation b/w You, Matthew and Prof Peterson .

[@christopherkaczor8288]

@@levernis5753 Thank you!

[@Strive1974]

Thank you for sharing such important conversations that need to be spoken! We are starving for great thoughts and truth. Hope JP has you on again.

[@Strive1974]

Love the "Jesus in disguise" story. I'm gonna try that

[@billzika8958]

I am approaching 76 years old and have been seeking answers to these profound questions for over 50 years. I am a clinical psychologist and also a practicing Jewish person. I feel the latter is bringing me closer to finding deeper meaning , beauty, love, and truth than the former, not that the former is devoid of some answers. Thank you so much, Jordan, for your courage and your wisdom in pursuing the answers to these deepest of life's questions and for helping to light the way for so many people in reaching upwards to the Divine. Dr. Bill Zika

[@ddonovan2965]

Beautiful

[@michaelpence468]

Read the following books: The Great Controversy. Desire of Ages Patriarchs and Prophets Prophets and Kings Act of the Apostles You will gain great understanding from these books

[@Geezerelli]

How do you feel about Sapolsky and his beliefs?

[@Canyoubuildlegos]

It is appointed for us to die once, but after this the judgment. God is going to judge the world in righteousness and the standard he is going to judge by is the moral law. Jesus said that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. God sees your thought life. He requires truth in your inward parts. “Whoever hates his brother is a murderer” 1 John 3:15. Who of us is guiltless? If you’ve lied you are a liar, and all liars have their part in the lake of fire. So how are you going to do on judgement day? We are all going to be guilty and the lake of fire is a reality for all who die in their sins. But God is rich in mercy. Born of a woman, God was manifest in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth who suffered and died on the cross. God loves us so much that while we were still sinners Christ died painfully for us. He took our punishment so we could be forgiven. Then he raised from the dead and was witnessed by hundreds. You and I broke God’s Law, Jesus paid the fine. What you and I must do is repent and trust alone in Him. Do that today and you’ll pass from death to life! If you want to learn more about what Jesus did for you, read the gospels.

[@michaelanderson4849]

@@Canyoubuildlegos How could Jesus (an innocent) have taken the punishment for the guilty and god being ok with that, when it is explicitly said earlier that god is NOT ok with an innocent suffering the punishment for the guilty?

[@albertchurchill4845]

God finds a way to reach the unreachable. Prominent atheist speakers are impressed with Doctor Peterson's lecture series.

[@spiralsun1]

YES!!! 🙏🏻❤️‍🔥

[@tripzville7569]

Yes I believe Jordan is opening up a new way forward for millions. Its is indeed beautiful. There are so many cracks now in our civilisations , lots of cracks for the light to shine in.

[@MK-yg9po]

Dr. Peterson is a great thinker, but his inability to get his head around the length of time since the "big bang" is boggling. It isn't that hard of a concept to perceive.

[@albertchurchill4845]

@@MK-yg9po Not if you consider that people don't really think about it. They just acknowledge it's long. The comparison to a lifespan renders it akin to eternity. Can you ponder Eternity?

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

@@MK-yg9po He's a psychologist, right? Not a physicist.

[@WholeheartedlyHomestead]

"is it working, are you seeing results" For me this is a resounding YES. I received a miracle and have an amazing testimony. My PARALYZED DIAPHRAGM IS MOVING. The path God has set me on, His path, has literally brought me literal healing. It's been a much more REAL experience than I expected. I do have pictures of my report and xray etc. !! God is AWESOME! Now I truly desire to live in His way bc I love making my heavenly Father proud, He always lets me know when I do 💞

[@rebeccagibson1196]

I’m a Christian and got so much out of your Genesis lectures, I can’t wait until your able to do your Exodus lectures. I also pray for you and your family, may God bless you!

[@JordanBPeterson]

I think I am going to Cambridge in 2023 to participate in a seminar on Exodus. Then the lectures.

[@nerdanalog1707]

@@JordanBPeterson This makes me incredibly happy. It's Jan 02, and I cannot wait for next year! :)

[@billharrisasignar5825]

@@JordanBPeterson im looking forward for this to happen. . .😃

[@justindavid9979]

@@JordanBPeterson Love you, Jordan! I hope to shake your hand in Milwaukee this March.

[@bryant475]

@@JordanBPeterson Hey JP! I would love to see a conversation between you and Dr. Frank Turek, Dr. Hugh Ross, and Dr. William Lane Craig, some of the most brilliant Christian apologists in the modern era. They present the overwhelming evidence for God's existence, and in particular, the God of Christianity, as well as many of the details of the gospel, what it means to be born again, etc. They would be fascinating discussions. I am keeping you and your family in prayer, thank you for all that you do. God bless you!

[@respecteternalbenefits5202]

What I love about JP: His love, compassion, humility, truth seeking, honesty, wisdom and clarity. The way he wears his heart on his sleeve. As a Christian for 42 years I have not met anyone who displays these 'Christian'' virtues so well. Shalom upon you and all you love.

[@MariaPerez-uv8mm]

Amen to that! This is exactly how I feel about him but could not put it into words. Thank you!

[@stephtimms1776]

Well Said

[@elvireberben6068]

The fact that everyday, i look up dr pettersons channel and look forward to anything he selflessly shares makes me so happy always. He teaches me so much, as a woman who didn't do good at school at all. I feel like he teaches me so much, and i am so gratefull. As well as all the guests he has on his show. I feel a deep respect for you Dr Thank you for being YOU ♥️

[@memphis5874]

Jordan Peterson had been a common suggestion I got from people on things to listen to and while he’s very insightful and promotes great things I never cared to listen to him until he started putting out content about God. I listen to at least one of his videos every day and I believe he’s truly touched by God.

[@abhishekjha5305]

Jordan, I just want to thank you for everything that you do. I am from India. I just want to let you know that you have changed my life in ways that would probably take 10 pages to let you know. I have changed drastically in the last couple of years especially in the last year listening to you. Thanks for being alive and I am in tears as I am saying this which is not really important to say but I just want to let you know the significance of who you are which is impossible to tell, obviously. Even though I want to say that I felt the pain along with you all through but I won't because perhaps I have literally no idea how you terrible you have felt. But I am not alone in this, Jordan. You have changed a number of lives that is just hard to imagine, for you also.... You often talk about that who you admire is who you imitate...In the whole world, for me its you...I wish to become even an iota of you in this lifetime Thanks Jordan ❤ A Very Veryy Veryyy Happy New Year ❤

[@JordanBPeterson]

So glad to hear this. Happy New Year to you.

[@abhishekjha5305]

@@JordanBPeterson ❤❤❤❤❤

[@believer2734]

What a tribute! Yes, we should look to imitate those who walk in heart felt love. In the Bible, Paul tells us to be imitators of Christ…and then he goes on to describe Christ so that we know what type of person he was (Phillipians 2:5 -8). He tells us to be like minded, to have the same attitude as Christ. It’s hard to find people like this in the world but they are among us. Christ is our example but we rejoice when we find people among us who resemble Christ. We are not perfect as He was, but we strive to love like He did. I love in I Cor. Where Paul says Love compels him…May love compel us to live right and walk humbly. Oh my, I am such a work in progress! I love to listen to Jordan although he is way over my head, I get his message & tender heart. I have listened to him for a long time & prayed he would acknowledge Christ (as the Bible says we must) & he has. Christ is using him.

[@merrylderrickson3147]

truly beautiful i imagine a part of Jordan reading that feels the undue shame that confounds the mind of the deserved in those moments of praise and thankfulness ..which he would probably also initially and instinctually reject.. and it's for these reasons that he is so authentic, so real and so honest in today's fragmenting society...there is no one better to emulate than one you deeply respect and look up to and we are all very lucky to have him, especially those who don't know him, or those who have been lied to about him. the truth is there for the taking

[@kdmckskdnfjdksnd]

“I am the way, the truth and the life” - Jesus Christ.

[@pattiw3174]

I think the reason people are drawn to you, Jordan, is because you are transparent, real & willing to say what you believe & why. You are asking the questions we have & reflecting what we feel in ways that help us think them thru for ourselves.

[@jinimurray4090]

Yes, but as Jordan is trying to humbly figure all this out - people are being led into the lies of the Catholic Church - headed for hell fastthere is no pergatory Read bible talk to God cry out for Him to do whatever it’s going to fake to save you - & mean it !!!!!!

[@hulitonuras4177]

A powerful conversation on a powerful subject. In a world of 15 second Tiktoks conversations like this are lacking.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thanks

[@chriskoll5378]

I moved towards Catholicism with the help of Jordan Peterson. I was confirmed a year and a half ago now. So glad I did. My life is transformed

[@MFTU268]

Amen! Blessings galore!

[@detroitbaby161]

Catholicism is riddled with anti Christian doctrine.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

So very glad to hear it!

[@JasonPaulMusic]

I’ve been following Peterson for 5 years and this is the best interview he’s ever done. These gentlemen were tremendous.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you very much

[@conantheseptuagenarian3824]

they were thinking through things in real time. more discourse needs to be like this.

[@MariaPerez-uv8mm]

I agree!

[@SevenFootPelican]

I'd say that all of his religious talks recently have been on a whole different level... I've been savoring it

[@jefflanahan8812]

One thing (among many) that I found particularly compelling; a quote from Pope John Paul II: "Faith & reason are two wings that the human person uses to fly up toward the truth". I cannot begin to describe how useful quotes like these are to me. As I listen to Jordan Peterson's lectures, and individuals dealing with similar kinds of ideas, I become more and more convinced of the truthfulness of something that I am not quite sure how to describe. Quotes like that help me develop a framework for understanding what exactly it is I am struggling to describe.

[@robindupont6399]

Thank you, Dr. Peterson, you are a voice of light in the darkness. You are living your purpose. It is felt. Thank you.

[@jfrye5216]

Please continue to engage the Catholic community. This was a wonderful discussion to listen to. Thank you for your life and your work Jordan B Peterson. I appreciate it very much. I will pray for you and your family. I will pray for your health and continued work.

[@jimvermeer9451]

Read the old testament it will answer allot of your questions . ( Book of king David version genesis)

[@spiralsun1]

I was holding out on Catholicism, only because of the Inquisition and Bruno and Joan of Arc… but they were basically the biggest or only game in town in a time of mistakes due to general ignorance-which was necessary. So after seeing the Michaelangelo exhibit and his life story on video there and his interaction with the Pope at the cathedral in San Francisco I thought about it and realized that I was a Catholic too. The interaction of Michaelangelo and the Pope was definitely god at work. Talk about art! Literally it dawned on me like the rising of a sun. Illuminating so many things, like a cloth pulled off a great sculpture. Thanks for your comment.

[@martinrivera6770]

Grew up Catholic. Fell away from my faith during my teenage and young adulthood. Married Catholic and came back again, then once again fell away from the faith. At one point I started going to Protestant churches but didn’t really feel at home. I then started to dabble with other secular spiritual pseudo cult practices, and something just didn’t feel right about it... I am not sure how I stumbled upon Dr Peterson, but I got immediately drawn to his immense intellect and his pursuit of exploring the deep questions of life and meaning. Then came the podcast episode with Bishop Barron and once again found myself back into my Catholic roots, but this time a deep fire was lit that has since gotten stronger. Dr Peterson was the catalyst who has saved me from many of my previous self destructing vices. Thanks to him and by the Grace of God I am back home, and I am here to stay. Thank you God for Dr Peterson and his tireless work, ever so mysterious are your ways to draw us back to you. 🙏🏻

[@Imiss80sn90s]

Dr.Taylor Marshall also does good work as per the church. Has a book on the infiltration. Also why the Vatican is suppressing The Latin Mass.

[@martinrivera6770]

@@Imiss80sn90s what is the name of his book? I will look him up and his works. Thank you!

[@Imiss80sn90s]

@@martinrivera6770 Infiltration. He gave a copy to Pope Francis 🤣

[@rcolerobinson]

Ignore Taylor Marshall. The Dan Brown of Catholicism. Lots of poison there. However, thanks be to God for your coming back home to the Catholic Church!

[@martinrivera6770]

@@rcolerobinson I may just read some of his work for the sake of knowledge, and discern what poison to leave out of my spiritual repository. I like taking the Thomistic approach of learning from both sides of every argument in order to gain knowledge, understanding and insight from all perspectives. I know our church is battling an internal division of its own, and I want to be an active participant of what needs to be done in order to regain a more steadfast focus into the Christian mission of revelation and eternal salvation.

[@thatguybrooke]

This was so close to getting to something really meaningful. I'm praying for you Jordan: that God reveals himself to you just the right way... Because that's the only way you'll believe.

[@brookenicoley90]

Its true... And I am sure He will in the most perfect and marvelous way 💓 Praying, too.

[@rconger384]

Not all conversions need to be public. What of "the still small voice?"

[@thatguybrooke]

Yes, the Conscience. JP is hurting and hungry for the truth/meaning/etc. very recently His daughter Michaela got introduced to Christianity and she is hungry for more because she finally felt some relief from serious pain from a terrible and rare health condition. She is going towards God probably because it feels right and because it is the way. She's in the process of looking for the right church now, praise the Lord. He's working on JBP's ❤️

[@colliemon]

“Sometimes I think it is my mission to bring faith to the faithless, and doubt to the faithful.”- Paul Tillich

[@olivercrawford4237]

Word on Fire and Dr. Peterson were very impactful in my becoming Catholic and both continue to inspire me.

[@brettgurda1356]

🙏🙏🙏

[@phillipnecessary6851]

Thanks be to God!

[@jimjohnson9093]

Jordan, I think you have hit precisely on the reason why the Catholic parishioners are exiting the church and conversely why your biblical lecture series have been so popular among the young and males: YOU TAKE YOUR AUDIENCE ON AN IN-DEPTH DISCOVERY OF TRUTH WHICH INCORPORATES OUR CULTURE AND MYTHOLOGICAL NARRATIVES, like a detective bringing together evidence to piece a story - both rationally and psychologically sound that explains how to live truthfully.

[@danevans2397]

Very well put!

[@damian_ski]

People are leaving Catholic church because of the lack of knowledge and week faith, those who take it seriously, learn and grow spiritually - remain and get stronger.

[@kozmickarmakoala3526]

@@davidcole1475 It's a Mind Parasite .✈✈🗽🗽

[@ketsune23]

@@davidcole1475 so are you telling that snakes can talk and a old man could save all animals in the world from a flood by building an ark without any food for animals? lol

[@Purwapada]

you can't do proper moral readings without knowing the history!!! and theres more to the bible than moral reading!

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

Praying for your continued trek towards God, Dr Peterson.

[@PearlEGates-lp5fe]

The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us... and we beheld His glory... awesome to watch Jordan bow before this glory... God bless him... beautiful!

[@alembess9129]

It's overly dramatic to say Peterson BOWED. I think he was just slightly nodding.

[@MrsYasha1984]

Dr Peterson, I want to take this opportunity to thank you! Your lectures have shown me the wisdom in those weird old bible stories, and it made it possible for me to make peace with christianity. Since mid august this year I'm going back to church regularely. And my mental health and my burn out has made tremendous progress in this time! Way more than the years before, even with therapy and constant self work. I still have a long way to heal, but I feel so much better and at peace with myself. And I owe a lot of it to you Dr Peterson, for opening that door in my mind. For showing me the more cerebral approach to those stories, and the wisdom in the bible. Thank you with all my heart!

[@Spartan_219]

These podcasts are a light in the darkness. Thank you Dr Peterson

[@meghancomo96]

I couldn’t agree more🙏🏼

[@Seeker7257]

Christ Jesus died for the sins of human-kind. Repent and trust in him.

[@Lerian_V]

@@allagreta9990 You really think any human being can go a day without sinning?

[@Anony___mous]

@@allagreta9990 You misunderstand Christianity. While our sins are forgiven, we are expected to correct the sinful behavior and to avoid it no matter the sacrifice. Our sins may be forgiven but we are all held accountable for them.

[@Seeker7257]

@@allagreta9990 Sorry. Christianity is the very reason for many scientific and technical advancements. If there was no "Christianity", there wouldn't be a world similar to the one we live in. Christ indeed died for the sins of mankind, if one deliberately sins, they are doomed into hell. Because being cognizant of what Christ did on the cross while simultaneously sinning leads to harsh judgements. GOD is just, May God bless you.

[@TheHogtalare]

In all of the darkness in this world of ours. Jordan Peterson is undeniable a bright light that not only shines, but also changes people to the very core. Its not a word I often use and truly mean , but I really love you Jordan. And I hope that you find the strength to do the Exodus lectures and continue fowards. All the best from Sweden.

[@Minutemanly]

Word on Fire is so Great, and has been an important part of my journey of growth as a Catholic. I'm so lucky for this cross over! Thank you so much, Dr. Peterson!!!

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Glad you like Word on Fire, me too!

[@john13623]

A compelling thing about JP is that he takes us along on his deeply personal search, a search that involves his entire being, his intellect, his emotions, and his soul. He's all in and totally vulnerable right in front of us. Rarely do we witness that kind of honestly and commitment. He has had a profound impact on me, already a practicing and faithful Catholic.

[@thetruthchannel349]

You make an interesting point. I think thats why I like the Apostle Paul the best of all Biblical writers. He is very intellectual, he is not devoid of feeling and his focus is on the growth of the human spirit.*

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

You hit the target. He himself is a fellow traveler.

[@ChaosRevealsOrder]

"LOVE" The one word that expresses everything I feel towards your work and dedication to find the truth.

[@Ben.....]

What is Love?

[@seastar1728]

God is Love.

[@ChaosRevealsOrder]

@@Ben..... Oh baby, don't hurt me

[@seastar1728]

@@jtjones4081 🤗okay. For me, God is Love and Truth.

[@pathologicalphilosophy1959]

Love is the consciousness that is aimed at beauty.

[@andrealazzari3560]

I love watching real on-fire Catholics when they get into it. As mild as they try and come across their love and faith cannot be stemmed.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you

[@alicjakempisty2729]

I loved how they repeatedly brought these abstract, complicated ideas back to God and His personal love for us - because indeed that's the point of everything. It's so refreshing to hear intellectuals treat God seriously.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

@@alicjakempisty2729 Thank you!

[@thelordz33]

If real Catholicism means accepting evolutionary theory, as these men have, then Catholicism is not Christian.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

@@thelordz33 Some Catholics reject evolutionary theory. Some Catholics accept evolutionary theory. Each person is free to accept or reject in accordance with their own views of the science.

[@sloanjackson8]

Dr. Peterson's books, lectures, and podcasts have done a wonder for my practicing Catholic faith! I love his heart and soul and honestly feel that he is going to be one of the great Saints one day, weather publicly honored through the Catholic Church or not. I'm honored to walk through life with him thanks to his transparency and vulnerability then and through all of his work.

[@saltykraken9471]

I love you Dr Peterson, you changed my life without even knowing I exist.

[@territhomas5590]

He knows you exist.

[@archadeinteriors]

Although I think Teri’s comment is witty XD..-but Salty; imagine what the great creator can do then who knows every hair on your head ; )!

[@MariaPerez-uv8mm]

1:46 is the most honest moment in Dr. Peterson's attitude about how much he cares about others. Thank you so much for this episode! I am watching now for the fourth time and it is so deep I know I have to watch it again. I love you Dr. Peterson and I don't know you but I love you! You inspire me to read my Bible more and to have communion with my creator more.... 🙂

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Me too

[@wilfriediwouta]

1:46:17 Right, the overwhelming love of God brings any soul to tears Dr Peterson’s anointing is very particular coz he doesn’t claim to have any, and God keeps filling him up, God truly graces the humble ones.

[@MariaPerez-uv8mm]

@@wilfriediwouta Amen! Thank you.

[@lindav1189]

absolutely, when he gets choked up, I do also. I love this man also.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

It is amazing to me that the biblical "Creation narratives" exactly reflect scientific findings. For instance, "Let there be light" preceded the emergence of the sun to rule the day & the moon to rule the night, which preceded the formation of land & the water, & that preceded the emergence of life forms. Life forms emerged first in the water before land... Plant life before animals. .human life made in the image of God last after those other life forms.

[@cidklutch]

I came back to church with a new vigor, confidence and conviction after listening to Peterson's Genesis lectures. Brilliant, brilliant man who helped restore my faith in God and the story of Jesus. I cannot heap enough appreciation on him.

[@JW_______]

As a committed, practicing Christian who sees faith and reason as united and complimentary, I truly appreciate the depth of thought and investigation presented in this discussion. Thank you

[@thefuturista7836]

The comment on hell at the end is very important. I find in my own life that one of the main reasons I cling to God is I’m aware of my tendencies to NOT be a good person. I have no problem admitting that I would have definitely been part of the evil if I had lived in Nazi Germany. I’m fully aware that without God I cannot be good. I hear people say “most people are good” all the time in popular culture, but it’s a lie. We are all capable of things we don’t even want to admit to ourselves. If you truly believe that you are a good person I can see how God can seem unimportant. Once you become aware of the sin in your own life you also understand why we all need a saviour. I can try to imitate Christ but unless I have the Holy Spirit (which is God living inside of me) I will only fail.

[@Illlium]

That's a very humble approach, mad respect.

[@Lia_872]

Well articulated .. I am amazed when people call themselves good , being a Christian who knows Christ I am finding more on how evil I am , if it wasn’t for the Holy Spirit work In dwelling I am scared of how the evil in my heart might manifest itself as

[@johnspirit1127]

Christ himself said "why do you call me good , ? (When they called him good teacher ) " Only one is good my father in the heavens " .

[@daylight44ful]

Exactly (y)

[@jacobm6274]

You should investigate the Islamic Canon, it's full of powerful stories, it's also more logically robust and consistent.

[@geraldabeyawardena5606]

Thank you Prof Peterson for everything you do to help people to help themselves, to think more clearly about fundamental issues , beliefs and behaviour. God Bless you and family!

[@DanTheManSoCal]

Sooo much deep analysis here that this is a treasure trove that will no doubt serve to inform for many years to come. The proposition of God as a true and living deity juxtaposed with Jordan’s statement on how you see the real person when you look at them through the lens of love and how the descriptions of untrammeled rationality paralleled descriptions of Satan. I just love everything about this conversation and am deeply grateful for it. Full disclosure, I am a Catholic (with all nuance of how deeply flawed that statement might be set aside for brevity) living in the Los Angeles Archdiocese in the area assigned to an Auxiliary Bishop who happens to be Bishop Barron.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you for your kind words

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

This was an incredibly insightful talk- the best Peterson podcast ever. I had deeply wished for such a talk between Dr. Peterson and someone of his intellect but who also possesses a profound theological grasp from a well of faith. Dr. Petrusek and Dr. Kaczor surpassed my wildest expectations and I am truly grateful for this meeting. Powerful!

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you so very much!

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

@@christopherkaczor8288 No sir - thank you. So many of us appreciate JP and pray for him to fully realize salvation. He's so close! Dr. Petrusek put a very fine point on it when he bluntly said that what JP is missing in his take on faith is GRACE. JP often gets emotional when discussing whether anyone deserves to claim that they truly believe, and the answer is definitely NO. None of us deserves anything but damnation, but it is God's grace that allows us the gift of eternal life. I believe JP needed to hear that specifically, and he needed to hear it from a peer so as to not sound like blind faith. Your example of the metaphysical in watching your children sleep and wanting to freeze that moment forever hit JP very hard, and your point about finding Christ in everyone allows you to not only make you want to be a better man but to allow for your own forgiveness - that was a powerful point you made which really hit home with him.

[@Vesuya]

@@ajb7786, brother, I'm not sure how you intended to be heard, but I don't think you achieved it

[@STEVENGOSNEY]

@@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 Exactly 0 i wish that point had been followed up more closely --

[@mixer6166]

Jordan's main concern is the plan to attract skeptical people to faith. There still doesn't appear to be a plan. I believe Jordan is showing them a way.

[@bevfast865]

I too have prayed for this man and his family,..he and the Peterson family have ministered to me more profoundly then any other teachers that I have had in my life. I am truly thankful for them.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

When Peterson finally crosses over, he'd be a potential Doctor of the church.

[@lilarayle5967]

What are you talking about ?

[@colleenfrance]

A beautiful conversation that has the powerful to move into personal action …hard not to.

[@Sealdog]

I really appreciate Dr. Matthew Petrusek bringing the focus constantly back to the love of Jesus. I don't think that was accidental, and I do think it has been missing from Dr. Peterson's musings - the personal, real, actual love of a real God.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Dr. Matthew Petrusek is a terrific person.

[@ericbursey6950]

Yes...yes...

[@fehiltaufao3241]

what Peterson is explaining is exactly what Dr Matthew Petrusek means by the love of God , in how we as human being express our selves

[@ElfAsura]

Oh really well he doesn't have to wear the love of God on his sleeves does he or keep raving about it?

[@icee5606]

Which is why he isn't going to be that reliable for me for wisdom, it's a very dangerous thing to esteem & speak truths but not be indwelled by Christ Jesus & operate in Him. It's not really difficult to be transparent & share knowledge, it's doing it relying on HIM instead of leaning on our own intelligence is.

[@summerrose5886]

Jordan Peterson is a treasure💕

[@milk.butcher]

While I’m not Catholic nor find myself drawn to the faith, this discussion of finding meaning decades into the triumph of rationalism is nourishing and validating for my own vision. Thanks for contributing to the necessary elevation of conceptions of the human condition

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Glad your got something from the conversation

[@sonitafouche8293]

Dear Dr Peterson, I have been watching your podcasts for the past 22 months. I watched in 'bewilderment'/absolute astonishment your "less traveled road"...like millions I also "travel" continuously on. Thank you for your courage to speak(discuss)/to show, with rational emotion - about your ongoing 'fearful' travelling along a mystical road to be yourself in GOD...

[@1skrmsp1]

One of the fascinating thing JP does in his podcast is that he actively thinks while bouncing ideas off of other guests. He is not treading the territory he knows, he is trying to go past what he mapped out when he have guests.

[@PRAR1966]

Questions that have plagued me my whole life - have been clarified and given a handle by one mans search for truth, thank you JP - I do hope to learn from these extraordinary encounters you've shown

[@Illlium]

I was very antagonistic when I first heard his discussion with Sam Harris about truth a couple of years ago, but I was slowly dragged to the other side of the fence. I might have to give that debate another listen.

[@jinwan3088]

Great scott, Jordan, whether you realise it or not, after all these years you're still shedding a lot of light on understanding God's Word on a rational sense. Beautiful. See you in person in 2022, God willing.

[@gwenhoang4018]

Right on John Peterson. When you love to and extent that you tell people to do good so that they don’t end up in hell. May the Lord blesses you with good health and to know him in a deeper way.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@stevenlucas8826]

I am moved AGAIN to tears by the beauty in the thoughtful words and implications of Dr P. and his wonderful guests ! Your lectures always have a way of bringing me closer to God. and what a emence gift to me that is ! Your words and ideas flow like poetry , I love to hear you construct a thought on the fly...I can almost hear the gears of your mind masterfully building them ! ROCK ON SOLDIER !!! ( forgive my poor spelling )

[@gspurlock1118]

I would love to see a series of Jordan Peterson lectures on Exodus. A lot of us are praying for you!

[@jamesdiluzio9906]

I was once a drug addicted, hurt, and angry young man who hated existence itself, as it felt as if I were cursed by all of being. Your body of work, Mr Peterson, has allowed me to find a different mode of being. I have a growing relationship with my wife, my daughter, and God, as I understand him in my limited human capacity. I cannot thank you or God enough for the blessings that continue to grow in my life, and the strength to face the flood.

[@11antun]

thank Our Lord, and thank Mr. Peterson to be the Servent of Truth!

[@jessicagalvan3734]

1:20-1:22!!! Thank you for your articulation Dr!! May God continue to guide your actions🤍🕊️

[@tgobblegobble]

Imagine having Jordan as a friend. The talks must be surreal. I’d like to discuss his takes on carpentry and beekeeping.

[@roryhand6650]

"Well, that all depends on what you mean by beekeeping...!!"

[@chiponyourshoulder6855]

@@roryhand6650 lmao, Jordan Peterson in a sentence. That's great!

[@jerehaw]

My first thoughts and feeling upon starting this video: Genesis is true because it is recorded history. It's not made up, it is exactly what happened. It is so relevant to every individual because this is literally where everyone comes from. So nothing that is written is more relevant than Genesis humanly speaking. I can't fathom how something that is not historically accurate could be so deep, relevant, and profound. I think what needs to be questioned is todays science which is not rooted in the "history" it presumes to know so much about - probably the reason why it is not profound, nor deep ( ie. primarily propositional), nor relevant, in light of the shallowness and human error resulting from it - without any doubt - in the last century. Please Pray for Jordan. I started asking people in a Church group I attended to pray for Jordan two and half years ago. What could be more important than praying for someone who is progressively unfolding the truth of God's word from such a reasoned perspective. I look forward to seeing Jordan extolling the heights of God's grace in a body and mind that is finally glorified and free from the weight of pain and anguish. It's my faith.

[@jean-lucbattista2492]

beautifully said

[@mimax4498]

I have been praying for him for years. May Christ reveal himself to him in a powerfully convicting way.

[@uncleRek]

1:46:13 I feel his emotion deeply in this part. I lived this recently & I pray frequently that those I loved (who have since rejected me) are not on that path that leads them to burn.

[@perrymnazjurgens366]

Three wonderful men, discussing the true meaning to life, each well grounded, each thoroughly committed to their beliefs. My Christian walk started nearly 70 years ago, biblical clarity and ultimate understanding can be expressed as the "3-P's" of my faith; (1) God has a PLAN, know it; (2) you have a PURPOSE in this plan, live it; and (3) God gives a PROMISE in this plan, take it; for how we live reveals what we believe. Dr. Peterson is a powerful force in a world that wants to blow out his candle, I'm thankful for his courage, I pray he surrenders to Christ Jesus, receives God's peace, and finishes the race building God's Kingdom.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you for your kind words. Hope you (and I) continue our journey to greater love and understanding.

[@bryanwirthlin4444]

I was a single Atheist guy living on a sailboat. Porn and video games were the order of the day. Then I listened to JP's biblical series. That interested me in the propositional arguments. The propositions made sense. Ergo, I and my wife with our two kids are Catholic. Score one for both sides.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Wow! Super happy to hear that. There are TONS of other folks like yourself.

[@bryanwirthlin4444]

@@christopherkaczor8288 Yes there are. I'm coming up on my 1 year anniversary of being Catholic and the Latin Mass I attend has basically doubled in number. There's so many of us new Catholics who don't know what we're doing that Father is starting a class of sorts on Catholicism 101 because we were so confused on how to be Catholic in our day to day lives. I look forward to learning.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

@@bryanwirthlin4444 Excellent. I'm looking forward to learning too

[@bryanwirthlin4444]

@@christopherkaczor8288 You know what would be a cool topic when you're on with JP again? How the various rituals and dogmas of the Catholic Church defend ones mind against an over stimulated rationality. I recall that he spoke about a client whose rational intellect was just killing him internally and you guys briefly touched upon how the dogmas defend you from that. I'd like to hear a deep dive about that topic because I am such a one that thinks too much and the Rosary brings me much mental comfort and it'd be interesting to expand upon why that is.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

@@bryanwirthlin4444 Sounds good to me!

[@eric_wood]

I really do love watching Jordan Peterson’s religious journey because of the integral role that he has played in my own religious journey. Without him I do not know if I would have pursued the Orthodox faith like I have.

[@Ahmad-ps9zh]

check out the orthodox way of islam, it can be a light that illuminates one to the path of Jesus, the path of truth, and the path to surrender to God.

[@lets_wrapitup]

@@Ahmad-ps9zh depends how you define orthodox

[@twntwrs]

@@Ahmad-ps9zh Islam was borne of and spread through violence. The word itself means submission. The societies which most closely adhere to its tenets are among the most backward in the world today.

[@daynehaworth9258]

Good news Eric! You will also enjoy William Lane Craig (whose KZbin channel is called Reasonable Faith), Joshua Swamidass, Francis Collins (Biologos), John Lennox, Michael Heiser and Michael Jones (whose KZbin channel is Inspiring Philosophy). All the best on your journey 😀

[@jimmeurer4053]

JP continues to exemplify and define what deep and civil conversation means. The benefit is immeasurable to the many. I look forward to seeing him lecture in April. I will hand him my many page letter when we meet, and I will thank him profusely in our brief soon to be post-lecture greeting. Any who cannot recognize this man as a gift to humankind is sorely missing something vital. Please think clearly, objectively and openly before judging this man.

[@triciajacobs5711]

This was absolutely one of the best things I have listened to in months. Thank you so much, you are helping us all stay focused on God's grace and mercy. Praying for you all!

[@michaelpence468]

I am the way the TRUTH and life. John 14:16

[@NequeNon]

"the more accurately you perceive a person [...] you see this eternal conscious hero striving against the darkness, and when you treat people like that [...] it's a compelling way to be interacted with". Dang...that him me hard. Beautiful. Thank you Dr Peterson.

[@not2tees]

I've been pretty delighted with Jordan Peterson since hearing his U of T Pinocchio lectures. And apparently he's able to shed light on the great works, too. We should be proud of him.

[@johnbickerstaff2552]

As an evangelical Christian, I loved Dr. Peterson's thoughts and lectures on Genisis! And I feel Dr. Peterson is so very close to grasping a personal relationship with Jesus.

[@subliteral1380]

I'm very sad to hear that Jordan is still suffering so much with poor health. When he emerged after his long absence, I was over the moon to see him making videos again, and I assumed he was probably getting a little better every day. Hang in there, Jordan! If you need to take a break, we will be fine. You've laid out a beautiful guide, and millions of people are living better lives because of it. Your words carry with them a MOMENTUM that can not be denied; you will be leading people out of the darkness for many, many years to come.

[@fulltechahead]

I hold a degree in theology (Wesleyan-Arminian variety), and 4 years further in philosopy (existentialists, the rationalists, the empiricists..etc)...after having become a theist from a complete atheist, I intellectually accepted Christianity. I was strongly influenced by the 'literalists', though I don't think I was ever a die hard biblical literalist. The statement of Peterson about how a over-emphasis on the literal facts can diminish the value of the story morally just floored me. I will never forget it. An 'of course' that is true moment hit me like a stone. However, the death, life, and resurrection of Jesus must be viewed as a perfect synthesis of moral story/historical convergence. So, both story and fact meet in the scriptures, but many times the stories are diminished in impact by focusing on whether they 'really happened'....with the neccessary exception of the life, death, resurrection of Jesus, because without both of those combined, the story and the literal truth of it historically, both the historical reality and the 'story' would be rather flimsy.

[@drewloewen6079]

It's much like how Tolkien described the story of the Cross as the best fairy tale, the one that happens to be real. If you read his "On Fairy Stories", he says the resurrection is the grand "Euchatastrophe" of our Universe, on which all other fairy tales are based, at some level.

[@jean-lucbattista2492]

Well I think he's making a logical mistake... sorry. OK who cares about what I did this morning right? so the power isn't just in the fact that it is true. Now take a story that can impact everyone's life, that's a great story, well thought... not bad... add to it that is actualy a true story that happened! well more power. I would add that the devile constantly comes up with profound stories that put mankind on the wrong path, because they are... not true!

[@knowwhatimeme]

When JP accepts scripture. Somebody who isn't Christian!

[@jacobm6274]

Why not investigate the Islamic Canon and become a Muslim? It explains reality just as well as Christianity

[@fulltechahead]

@@jacobm6274 because it is not true. It is a man made ideology, it's not really a religion. I only 'try' rational systems. The Koran is boring...some passages are nice....copies a lot from the Bible....also has a lot of hateful passages about Jesus (the real God), unlike the tin god of muhammadism. It doesn't have a 'canon', just a patchwork of subpar religious ideas

[@susanwinter1163]

Thank you Dr Peterson for your courage and endurance. I also pray for your continued health and have been touched by your wife's testimony to her own faith. Thank you both.

[@rinavexmc6155]

This was so awesome to watch!! Jordan, your biblical lectures and 12 Rules For Life were large reasons I eventually put my faith in Christ. It's so cool that 2 brilliant men wrote a book about you and these works and bring to light all that you've done in this world. It's so true when they say that you have caused people to rethink Christianity and millions of (even non-religious) people find it captivating. For a long time, I've been thinking that us Christians need to hear the message differently (because, as you said, us young people can easily bounce off the abstract propositions from the church), and that is exactly what you've done in your lectures, both in the classroom and from the biblical series. You really bring psychology and Christianity together in such a brilliant way. I'm so glad I got to watch this, especially the times where you got emotional talking about loving people as if they are Christ in disguise. God bless you, Jordan Peterson.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Ditto: God bless Jordan Peterson.

[@CoolPapaJMagik]

JP is the father many of us never had. I had a great father actually, so it’s like having two dads (in the way that doesn’t destroy the family structure)

[@ranonl8841]

I'm trying to free your mind. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it. Say my name, my son.

[@CoolPapaJMagik]

@@ranonl8841 God

[@aakkoin]

That sounds like "father" in orthodox christianity... Historically the church was the only place that took care of the lame and retarded and whatever troubled people. It's not a stupid thing.

[@nassirmreyoud4415]

There are places where women do take multiple husbands. In those places, that is the family structure.

[@CB-dl1vg]

I agree

[@Sw-sx7nw]

What a man… a legend in our time.

[@aaronoflaherty1341]

A fine instrument of the Almighty

[@twntwrs]

The most celebrated intellectual charlatan of our day.

[@Sw-sx7nw]

@@twntwrs hahhahhhahHahahahhah

[@rosamariasmith8925]

Exodus will be magnificent addition to our intellectual being and to our essence nourishment. Thank you Dr. Jordan Peterson for your most fabulous gifts of Love for us. I am truly grateful to you. I know you are a beloved of God and one of The Blessed Virgin Mary’s favorites. God Bless your Family and Mary Keep you all. Lovingly, Rosamaria Smith.

[@krisevans7670]

Jordan's Expression's Sympathetically Unambivalently Spiritualize Love you Professor. Your a light in the darkness of the modern mind. Appreciate you.

[@theoriginalwaterbaby]

3 hours later, rewinding many times, this was a very valuable discussion! Thank you to all 3 participants. May we all have peace. 💖 And see grace. And experience love in action.

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you

[@redwatch1100]

The lecture series tour worked out so well because everybody loves Jordan because he is one huge caring heart. If Jesus were alive today, he and Jordan would be good friends.

[@ashleyangela8288]

He is alive😊

[@DEMillerEarl]

@@jtjones4081 why would you post this as a reply rather than as a stand alone comment if not for the purpose of starting contentious discussion? Look to your motives.

[@macabre2899]

@@DEMillerEarl Says "SuperSatanXD". Okay man.

[@DEMillerEarl]

@@jtjones4081 ahh, well my bad then :) it's interesting to think about the idea of duration having to happen to a conscious being, maybe not necessarily a self-concious one as talked about in the video. The very first thing that ever had life, was it a biological machine big enough to have a DNA structure? Or did DNA exist outside of living being beforehand, such as what we think of viruses as? Raises another wierd thought about in the beginning, viruses generally need hosts to breed so it might not have been that. Just cool to think about, because before even that, when it was just space dust there was duration, and time only exists from a point of perception.

[@DEMillerEarl]

@@macabre2899 what's your objection? Vague at best, I'm assuming it's about my name in regards to....the discussion on God? That's just my assumption though. Would love to hear it.

[@sunnyjo2059]

Oh my goodness... So many deeply profound things here. For me, especially impacted by JPs emotion when talking about love not wanting to see the other "burn". Such compassion from a man who is all too aware of the reality of hell. Thank you gentlemen for a beautiful discussion!!

[@christopherkaczor8288]

Thank you! I also really appreciated that part of our conversation.

[@HermesActum]

You've rescued my faith and my life

[@thefuturista7836]

Excellent! I’m impressed by how much insight Jordan Peterson has on this topic. I can honestly say that he already understands much more than what many people who grew up inside the church understand. It’s incredible what you can discover when you are willing to keep asking questions and hunger for truth. I think one of the problems with our modern society is people are too busy or lazy to ask questions and go deep. It’s easy to brainwash a crowd and get them to accept an ideology when they are too busy to ask questions. All the different ideologies that are poisoning Western society right now crumble pretty quickly if you take the time to ask questions. The Bible is the complete opposite, people only think it doesn’t make sense because they haven’t questioned it enough. The more questions you ask the more you will find that God’s word in the Bible is true. Keep going!

[@Purwapada]

you can't do proper moral readings without knowing the history!!! and theres more to the bible than moral reading!

[@anerkant]

I am a Muslim and I agree with you about what you said regarding Bible.

[@shurnbrendt7581]

@@anerkant then would you believe in the New Testament? The testimony of Jesus’ hand selected disciples and the 500 witnesses of his resurrection?

[@anerkant]

@@shurnbrendt7581 yes brother I do believe in the new testament which you have even today. It does contain word of God. I testify. ... I guess ...The only difference there may be in our understandings is that I accept Jesus as the Christ and the prophet and son of God just like Adam is a son of God. Josef is a son of God. Abraham is son of God. I accept that Jesus is son of God not any different from the other sons of God. And then because I am a Muslim I accept Muhammad as a prophet. And I accept that Islam is nothing but continuation of the religion (guidance/advice) of God sent through Moses Abraham Jesus and others like them in the past UpTo Muhammad. Thanks brother Edit : brother feel free and welcome to criticize Islam and Quran etc I would like to consider it sincerely. For the sake of understanding. For the sake of truthfulness.

[@shurnbrendt7581]

@@anerkant thanks for your response and openness to discussion. Jesus did quite a few things distinct from the other prophets. Such as forgiving sins, resurrecting, and declaring himself to be “I AM” before Abraham. That his disciples believed him to be the Christ and one with The Father as well speaks volumes to his unique place.

[@bereanthinking]

This was awesome, Dr. Peterson! Thank you very much for this and future videos you do on this topic. You hit the nail on the head when you made this statement: "You tell people that you love how to avoid the road to Hell. You don't do that because you're shaking your finger at them or because you're a moral authority, you do it because you don't want them to burn." Being a son of a pastor, I despised and avoided God for 18 years because I was rebellious. I was supposed to live and be "a good person" which would get me to Heaven. My "reality" during that time period of my life was that God was evil as I could never be "good enough". So therefore no matter what I did, no matter what my dad told me to do, I was Hell bound and would never make it into Heaven. Like many pastors, my dad didn't pay enough attention to God's love, mercy and grace but mainly exposed me to God's judgement, wrath and what some would perceive as pure evil. Ultimately God's punishment which lies within wrath is not evil, it is God's righteousness tangibly acted out in a fearfully, uncanny way. Uncanny in the sense that sometimes we can't fathom it as reality, so I think it may in some cases bring out the worst in humanity. Our response to Hell should be more like yours, yet we scoff at Hell because it shouldn't exist if God was all loving. Hell had to exist though because evil exists, and yet God is indeed all loving because both evil (which resides in Hell) is separate from God. God proved that He indeed was all loving as He provided a way to avoid Hell if we choose to accept it. If God was evil, He would not have provided that way out. However, choosing to accept His way means a bit of self-sacrifice, so some will never accept it. This way out was through the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of God's own flesh, Jesus Christ of Nazareth which allowed us to have grace to be in God's presence. It's our faith in His grace, not in our works which get us to heaven. Our works are a testament to that faith. I am glad I'm not God, but am glad I can try to help tell others know the truth in how to avoid "burning". Thanks again Dr. Peterson, may God bless you and keep you; making his face shine on you and be gracious to you; may the Lord God turn his face toward you and give you and your family peace.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

What an incredibly powerful journey you’ve gone thus far. Having PKs myself, I’m conscious of letting them muddle through life showing my own weaknesses and inabilities, thanks in large part to my long suffering wife.

[@culturecoroner]

This was beautiful. Well-said.

[@kristinamelanie]

Definitely one of my favorite discussions. I'm hoping to see your lecture this May in Tulsa.

[@toms4384]

Interesting, provoking and inspiring, as is often the case. Thank you!