The Absurdity of Socialism | Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin

Dave Rubin speaks on how young believe they are oppressed despite the great privileges they enjoy that past generations could only dream of. Jordan Peterson then enters the discussion, stressing that labelling our society as an oppressive patriarchy is fundamentally flawed, explaining how our system is superior to alternative worldviews, like socialism.
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[@jezcorrigan651]

JP literally 100% focuses when someone else is speaking. I often find myself daydreaming when someone has been talking for a certain length of time but he literally absorbs every word spoken.

[@thegeneralist7527]

I noticed that too. He listens so intently to everything that Rubin says. His focus is 100% on what Rubin is saying.

[@maxb9315]

Omit 'literally'. It's superfluous.

[@tiggtiggs]

Soci - means; Society. JP, is an antisoci-al-ist hack, patriarchal snob & corporate capitalist slag, who appeals too ilk & pseudo intellectual halfwits.

[@thegeneralist7527]

@@sabrielguindon148 I like the word mondain. Almost the opposite of mundane.

[@brynleytalbot778]

Ever been in psychological therapy? That’s the style of active listening they use to tell you someone is finally taking notice of your issues. In fact, just like you, they’re thinking of whether they left something plugged in at home.

[@Jack-jr1yv]

I agree with the argument that socialism can lead to totalitarianism, but what just happened here in Australia shows that even with a conservative liberal government totalitarianism can still be manifested, whether you're left or right or politics, power can be corrupted.

[@lewisner]

I used to be left wing until the Brexit referendum forced me to do a radical rethink. But when someone bangs on about how great Socialism I just point out to them that twice in living memory the Labour Party has gone into an election (1983 and 2019) with a Socialist manifesto and both times they have had catastrophic defeats.

[@scottb32a]

@@lewisner so we've never had socialism then !

[@lewisner]

@@scottb32a We had the Clement Attlee government but since the both attempts to put a socialist manifesto to the British people have been rejected. The left hate Blair because he wasn't a Socialist (in their opinion) and he said he admired Thatcher.

[@scottb32a]

@@lewisner thats because our press is mainly right wing

[@gordoncavanaugh8744]

The right wing can also lead to totalitarianism. It isn't about being left or right it's about complete authority over other people's lives. ie military or religious dictatorships.

[@MrDogmaHunter]

I don't always agree with Peterson. But every time I am impressed with his intelligence, reasonableness and his ability to express his ideas in such accessible and understandable ways. Truly a great speaker and someone worth listening to.

[@joneslive586]

What do you usually disagree with him on?

[@MrDogmaHunter]

@@joneslive586 That doesn't really matter to the point I was making, so I won't go in on that. I watched quite a few clips with him and sometimes I just think "good point, but I see it differently". I don't wish to degrade the compliment I gave the man by starting some silly debate about certain points in youtube comment sections. I just considered it relevant to mention it, since I feel it adds to the compliment. Not agreeing with a point but still acknowledging / recognizing the "greatness" by which said point was made, is significant imo.

[@prasannasundaram1970]

@@MrDogmaHunter - Classy :) ... Will remember this approach!

[@adrianmacgrath5814]

He is an extremist though. Socialism isn't absurd any more than capitalism is. It's the implementation of them in an imperfect world that is the problem either way

[@blackflycanada4943]

@@adrianmacgrath5814 He absolutely is NOT an extremist. Not sure where you get that idea. And Socialism is absurd and does not really work. Capitalism with a bit of restraint works extremely well. You can tell that by the world we live in.

[@NetSpectre]

I have read both his Rules for Life books and have learned so many useful things that I hadn't considered from it. Now I think about improving things much more locally, listen to people I disagree with, and am trying to better my own position in life rather than just passively complaining about society on social media (which I got rid of.) Listening to him hasn't made me worse.

[@mousepad3000]

I know JP is a very convincing speaker, but you might ask yourself whether either of these guys are actually making a solid argument. The first is literally arguing that if you "have it better than your grandparents" then you're not oppressed. It may or may not be true that we are less oppressed than our grandparents --I'd argue that our rapidly-increasing record wealth inequality suggests we are actually more oppressed now in terms of worker exploitation. Regardless, having relatively less oppression would be a lousy argument against making any attempt to improve. JP is essentially arguing that "we don't have it that bad, so why rock the boat?" (paraphrasing). This is a great argument against abruptly pulling the rug from under our current system. It's not event an attempt at arguing against socialism or even against making small, incremental improvements to our current system to reduce inequality.

[@egocrusher8]

he is not saying that at all. You should google how poor 99% of the population was. Yes we have some super rich people. But we also have some people in the middle. Having people in the middle is the majority. This is a relitively new thing.@@mousepad3000

[@leonabarkell1809]

Good on you! Never stop improving!

[@christineputaranui5579]

Nice mate Jordans the best he saved my life and one day i hope to meet him and thank him in person! im a mother of 6 and grandmother of 1 and before Jordan i was lost sick and tryna make sense out of a senseless world WITH NOTHING but nonsense around me horrible NOW like you i try to better myself everyday and I function well everyone who sees me confirms my wellness too. hes the teacher and guide ive waited for all my life!!

[@IPASAustralia]

I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson, but I was also very impressed with Dave Rubin's take on speaking with the young entitled. Well worded and well argued.

[@jackmaher4466]

Dave is a smart man and was a liberal for most of his life. He has seen both sides and was man enough to admit he was wrong. Glad he came over to truth.

[@steveg1725]

@@jackmaher4466 lol

[@AtheistAlias]

I suppose Rubin's rhetoric could work on some initiates of the woke cult, but most have canned the response of The Fallacy of Relative Privation when you claim their life isn't so bad. They constantly affirm eachothers' problems and any negation is denying their Lived Experience. But sure, try to give them some perspective if you can.

[@andreac6360]

@@jackmaher4466 0]

[@timford3599]

@@AtheistAlias It's like any other 'disease', the earlier you catch and treat it, the greater the chance of 'curing it. (Just using a loose analogical example here.)

[@goodtalker]

I'm 60, retired, but 4 years ago took a part time job at a major US retailer. I needed something to keep me busy and helping people with their plumbing and electrical problems is satisfying. Most of the staff is under 30, lazy, and have never been under anyone's authority. For most of them, respecting parents, teachers, police, supervisors, etc. was all optional growing up. Seeking wisdom from those older individuals, for them, is seen as a waste of time. God help us.

[@ronfox5519]

It is a shocking change. Ill never understand why the boss dont just fire them. They show up when and if they want, work when and if they want. And the job is done whenever they get tired of doing it. Its crazy.

[@maryanndeweerd2570]

Good talker truth!

[@Pmtd1234]

My grandchildren (ages 19-23) who were raised with a strong work ethic, complain all the time about working with their peers...they are lazy and uninterested in working correctly.

[@Zerocorrupt-Sifu]

No. You don`t realise that the attitude of the young generation is the product of it`s invironment and of the values they are tought by the older generation. It`s the consequence of the lack of respect that`s firing back now. The young generation is lucky not to have some problems your generation had, but they have new ones. The obedience towards authorities is gone because nowadays you cannot trust the authorities and people are just trying to survive under the circumstances. They were not fed by you with a golden spoon. They were fed with an empty image of wealth and luxury that your gereation cooked for them. Your generation threw away Jesus and now that he`s gone you deny all responsibility.

[@almcdonald8676]

The irony is that that ignorant attitude is leading them towards a future when they will know only fear of the government, of the law, even of their neighbours as these institutions so hard won and democratic will have been politicised and subverted into agents of oppression

[@karlostj4683]

My grandparents had it better off than I do in at least one significant way: They weren't oppressed by The Woke Mob.

[@tatt4music]

They can only oppress you if you allow them to. They are weak and cannot handle reality. Nothing to be feared for sure.

[@karlostj4683]

@@tatt4music Tell that to Johnny Depp whose career was effectively ruined by the Woke Mob bowing and scraping to Amber Heard.

[@X_mano]

They oppressed the woke mob as they should be

[@criticalcommenter]

You are not oppressed.stop being a snowflake.

[@victorvolobuev507]

Funny comment, i like it. But it’s weird, that youtube deems this one to be the “top” comment. No offence to the comment author. The leftist youtube algorithm works in mysterious ways

[@shakes1117]

My grandparents had it better than me. Married at 18 and bought their first house at 19. Im in my mid 20s and my dream of home ownership is exactly that, a dream. I feel many Canadians are in a similar boat as me.

[@lenkabaranovicova92]

While I am not from Canada, as an Eastern European, it was also much easier for my grandparents to get an apartment (under communism) than it will be for me. But even though they were scientists, they could not get university education and they both died of cancer after working with substances whose carcinogenic properties were being kept secret by the authorities. They also could not travel nearly as much, didn't have all the electronics that make my life so convenient, they lived in a time when the contents of food were not regulated and the variety was smaller, they only had some things (including clothes) if they made them by themselves, they could not express their political opinions freely... And they were lucky to be able to choose their jobs and not get persecuted, my granddad's father was sent to a labour camp so that the state could confiscate his jewellery / clock shop. My countrymen love to complain because we only compare ourselves to a handful of the best countries in the world, but middle class life has hardly ever (and anywhere) been as comfortable as it is here an now.

[@ThatBigCactus]

My grandparents had a small farm on the outskirts go the GTA. Owned 6 cars. Now have a 3 acre property. Other side of the family grandparents; poor but owned a few apartments in bad area of Montreal. 100% for Canadians, we have it worse than our grandparents and parents.

[@curiousmind111]

Did they work harder than you? Did they have good food as you do? Did they have trips like the ones you had? Don't romantise about the past and be honest.

[@lickalotlickalot2210]

Most of it was our own doing! We created our own oppressions! Also you are not looking at the big picture! An example would be for the most part you don't get accused of something without going through a trial! We learned from the past... that being said once we have that a subgroup would challenge it and then before you know it, for example...a man is judged based on an account of a female...it is sort of going back to the witch hunt...but we knew better yet certain socialist groups would use victimhood to shift responsibilities away from them and judge others based on their emotion!

[@myself3209]

Im from germany, my grandparents house was bombed to pieces, I dont think they had it better then me

[@amsalespush]

Growing up in Germany in the 1970s abd 1980s, we sometimes discussed how "oppressed" we were, while living in the most wealthy and arguably the freeest society that humans have ever had in known history.

[@zodiacdana]

I think it depends if you were in Eastern or Western Germany.

[@amsalespush]

@@zodiacdana Of course it does, yes. I was in the West.

[@masoudj1185]

I moved from one of the most oppresive countries on earth to one of the freest countries and I sometimes feel deeply woried about the signs of authoritarianism in my new country. I wasn't like this three years ago. Everything has been escalated in the last three years. My complete trust with government has now replaced with suspicion and skepticism.

[@brynleytalbot778]

Wealth has a reward, freedom. But it’s not equal. You can be oppressed in a wealthy country where the wealthy depict their freedoms as universal rights. It’s an illusion designed to tell the oppressed they too, with hard work, can be free. A lie, as we all know, but it makes the wealthier feel better about the riches they grasp onto for an identity.

[@amsalespush]

@@masoudj1185 From where did you move where?

[@anttikettunen8601]

"The Absurdity of Socialism" No one mentions socialism even once.

[@largemarge1603]

And, yet, the absurdity remains.

[@glenmorgan8503]

Exactly. What a load of bs

[@terrybull3031]

The video clip is misleadingly named. Peterson isn't talking about socialism, but about the dangers inherent in any revolutionary social change.

[@chamicels]

@@terrybull3031 scary change is

[@andwil1959]

@@largemarge1603 Socialism essentially means democracy. It has never been achieved. That does not make it absurd.

[@danagasumova9179]

I loved the point JP made about humility: "You really think you're capable of making large-scale social transformations and getting it right, do you?" This question should be put to Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

[@hadmatter9240]

Trudeau doesn't need you, the voter, to approve anything! Am I wrong in assuming that? I hope I am.

[@user-wp9jj2qx7y]

Trudeau simply regurgitates what Schwab tells him to

[@danielc1112]

Please research where capitalism came from

[@stevehess4218]

Precisely. If you’re so interested in demonstrating your ideas, prove yourself. Once most folks engage in getting their house in order they realize they were totally wrong to hope that the government had the solution. Once you learn to tie your shoes, you don’t need a government shoe tying agency. You don’t rage against people that have nicer shoestrings. You realize that you stepped up and you can do that again.

[@ccreature7086]

Justin dislikes Jordan so much that he's going to great lengths to prove Jordan right.

[@calvin_1983]

I think John Anderson is very good at what he explains. He is very clear and accesible in what he talks. But Jordan Peterson is in a whole another level. When Peterson starts to talk, he just goes on and on from one really deep point to another, flawless. It's really impressive.

[@jgarbo3541]

Yes, he does talk a lot...

[@sabejreid2072]

He is a Star

[@lebenstraum666]

JP will not deal with Jewish privilege so just whines about Leftist misconceptions. I.e. he is controlled opposition.

[@coolioso808]

Flaw after flaw is noticeable when Peterson speaks, if you look carefully. Just watch his debate with Zizek on capitalism vs socialism and the critique by Peter Joseph. Pretty clear.

[@ziziscorsese9475]

When JP starts talking, he forgets he’s on a panel.

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

The danger of intellectual laziness. I don't think people realise just how much painstaking work was put into the development if human societies to take us from caves and trees to present day. And that the problems with what we are left with cannot simply be fixed by violently ripping out entire traditional sections of society and thinking "this will not backfire at all, it will instead lead to utopia". It is important to remember that we rarely ponder the things that humans have done remarkably well; we focus on problems which increases ingratitude.

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

I don't know why but I do know that even here in the United States which was the freest country in the world hasn't been free for quite a while. After 9/11 our president initiated the Patriot Act and we thought that it was to look for possible terrorists in America. It was but they also spot on American citizens and that's absurd. When Obama got elected president he spot on American citizens more and our European allies. They were mad and especially the French. I don't blame them and then Trump got in and he wasn't spying on Americans because he was more concerned with what China and Russia and Iran were doing. His main main concern with China number one and Iran number two. When George W bush invaded Iraq in 2001 because he believed and he said that it's not Saddam Hussein worked with recruiting terrorists I do believe he got the country's mixed up and it wasn't all right but it was actually Iran. Anyway nonetheless at least his people got to try him in Iraq and Saddam Hussein was tried by his own people found guilty and he was executed by his own people because of all the tyranny he placed on them

[@cortecz]

Hear hear.

[@rollinmark8952]

Brilliant.

[@frankvonfrauner]

It's an argument from ignorance. The leftist perspective relies on ignorance to propagate itself. The majority of modern progressive ideas have already been tried. They're not new or radical, they're outdated and disproven (with some exceptions of course) The modern left has decided that everything that exists is evil, it's a forgone conclusion, and that burning everything to the ground is a moral imperative, and to even question it makes you immoral. They've made it such an easy decision that requires zero research or education. Do you want to be a good person, or a bad person? Blue side good, red side bad. Don't express an original opinion because you don't want to accidentally fall into the bad side, wait until you get your marching orders before opening your mouth. Ironically, that's another thing we've already tried that we know doesn't work, suppression of free speech. Progressives read "Manufacturing Consent" and somehow can't apply it to the modern situation. In the 2008 reprint of it, it even includes an incredibly biased and propagandistic account of the buildup to the Iraq war that parrots the modern mainstream narrative, so even the authors can't see it (although I doubt Herman or Chomsky actually wrote the new section)

[@timford3599]

Bingo! You've hit the bullseye!

[@williamfriar6295]

Two different restaurant shifts used two different tipping types: 1) all tips went into ONE jar and were divided evenly at shift’s end. 2) each server kept all tips individually gotten. Some liked the first method; some liked the second. You can guess which type of person liked which method.

[@edithcunningham5713]

Good analogy! Ties in nicely to JP's Equality of Outcome.

[@thebobo1229]

I realise this is an old comment but, the people that are pro socialism always remind me of that one person in your group assignments that contributed nothing but still got your groups HD.

[@anthonykaiser974]

Then there's the way it is done in some larger hotel kitchens, at least historically, where it's distributed according to position and rank/tenure.

[@leedowner2249]

Maybe the people with less tips had less generous customers ? Therefore example 1 is fairer

[@anthonykaiser974]

@@leedowner2249 that typically should average out over time if the wait captain or whomever manages the tables is being fair.

[@zipkeen8339]

“You don’t throw away the whole book” Deserves to be a mantra. Still only a 50 percent fan of Jordon Peterson but at the same time I am a 100 percent fan of the 50 percent.

[@andrekeefer2034]

“You don’t throw away the whole book” is the only practical advice; the rest of the conversation is purely academic which Joe Schmoe will not grasp.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@@andrekeefer2034 If people are not capable to understand _this,_ then all hope is truly lost.

[@Robisquick]

Refreging to see someone able to take the good ideas and separate them from the cult of personality or villaibization of the person

[@toddharig8142]

Good point, read das capital and ill read whatever you want

[@debra-qq1np]

​@toddharig8142 Amazon has the collected works of Karl Marx for about 2$. Development as Freedom By Amartya Sen takes a less Eurocentric view of the developing world. The works of Ludwig Von Mises are excellent, and his transcribed lectures on Marx were both revealing and easy to read. His Economic and Sociological Analysis of Socialism revealed issues that proponents of planned economies considered relevant. Some of his work really requires a bit of advance reading (&/ or Google to look up references...) I considered the effort very worth it, but starting such a topic at the deep end did require effort. The Theory of Money and Credit can be considered a good complement to his Prices and Production. I think that his work encouraged me to begin thinking of the economy in terms comparable to the biosphere. Like a biosphere, diversity provides resilience and rapid adaptation in times of change. Neither can be controlled without over simplification of the system ... scorched earth style. The Open Society and its Enemies by Karl Popper may not seem on point. It actually takes a deep dive into the foundational ideas from which not only the Nazis but other historical evils have sprung. It is important to recognize the base concepts that underlay such things in order to best recognize them when they re-emerge in a new form. ...& to confront and argue against such ideas at their origins. Heavy reading, honestly. I can certainly point out others such as F. A. Hayek, Friedman, and so on. Lessons for the Young Economist By Robert P Murphy was a good introduction to basic concepts. I would rate the difficulty level as something a High School student (or a rather precocious middle schooler) could tackle. Let's see... The Politically Incorrect Guide to Socialism by Kevin Williamson was good. Not as good as Von Mises work, but also a lighter read.

[@gregg9389]

This reminds me of a conversation that I had with my daughter several months ago. I don't remember how the subject came up, but I asked her if she actually believed that she had "inherent white privilege". Much to my surprise, she responded yes. When I tried to engage in a conversation with her about it, she said that she didn't come to visit just to argue with me. The reason I bring this up is this: Younger people today firmly believe that they are smart enough to not only believe this fiction, but believe that they are smart enough to SOLVE the issues that they really can't completely understand. When confronted with debate they tend to avoid the subject altogether, believing that they are absolutely correct, and nothing that anyone says will change their mind. The unwillingness to LISTEN is what bothers me most of all. I offer the chance to debate (which then gives them the chance to try to change MY point or position), but they refuse to discuss anything. Do any of you find this to be true as well?

[@derekcain9885]

Absolutely correct and it is very worrying.

[@floatingsara]

I agree with your daughter, if you try and have this kind of conversation the times she comes to see you, it's you who want to have an argument with her - to prove what ? That you are right? To your daughter?

[@KingDilly]

The lack of a willingness to listen is definitely a common and major problem I’ve noticed in recent years. Far too often, people put effort into shutting down potential discussions or debates by trying to find a descriptor that will discredit the opposite side (Racist, Nazi, Groomer, etc), rather than putting effort into supporting their position/argument.

[@willnitschke]

@@floatingsara The point of being able to argue a position is that you've reached that position using reason and logic. Otherwise you're a member of a cult.

[@willnitschke]

I think the issue here is not very intelligent or wise people tend to acknowledge tacitly their own stupidity but remain convinced that smart people also believe what they believe, hence their beliefs are "smart". It all comes down to faith.

[@IIVVBlues]

Peterson is amazingly articulate and elegant in his speaking. He just makes so much sense. I'm a little older than Peterson, but I've often tried to explain many of these ideas with far less success. I think of society as an ecosystem which has evolved into a tangled web of relationships not unlike our biosphere. We have only begun to understand a few of its elements and are nowhere near being able to construct a replacement. The near-sighted arrogance of those who thing they can is equally amazing.

[@dennyjamesgrey]

This doesn't mean that ppl who want to tear it all down don't have valid criticisms of the system. They should be embraced and heard, not patronized. Hope you heard that over the sounds of you patting your own back lol

[@santorini8423]

@@dennyjamesgrey no, it doesn’t, but it also means you can accept views from a variety of people and then make an individual analysis for yourself. I hope that helped

[@dennyjamesgrey]

@@santorini8423 we are having this exchange specifically BECAUSE i am taking in views from a variety of people. Hope that helps

[@Zerocorrupt-Sifu]

Besides his elegant appearance, what`s his main message? Don`t be deceived by the elegant appearance of the devil. Devil is in the message.

[@dougkaterankin2450]

@@dennyjamesgrey Please explain how their aproach is valid. It is one thing to refine and improve. Quite another to demand destruction.

[@jessyleodyn8024]

Each time I hear Jordan Peterson, I get a better grasp on things which have been puzzling me for a long time. And what is magnificent is that he always find a point of observation that is enlightening. I really like listening to what he says.

[@nenmaster5218]

Ok, riddle me this: Weird how Peterson-Fans never debunk even a single Proof or Data-Point or Factual-Fact-of-Factness in the Racism-Videos or the Thanksgiving-Video and the Jim-Crow-Video of "Some More News". in fact, they usually comment something on the intelligence-level and self-roast-lvele of 'Your Mother is Overweightttt!!'.

[@Ehzgnimeh]

Isn’t what he say obvious? But it’s rly nice to listen to his speech tho.

[@susannabonke8552]

The Point is: He worked the deepest questions of modern society through intellectually to put them into understandable words. This is masterclass philosophy. 👍👍👍

[@Struggler-e6h]

⁠@@susannabonke8552 Jordan fails at the fundamentals of understanding philosophy and not being coherent in the slightest with his delivery how are you impressed by this nonsense?

[@Struggler-e6h]

@kiku2609 for example his complete lack of understanding of post modern philosophy

[@justicegusting2476]

Social media is, by far, the most oppressive feature of modern society.

[@andrepastor4844]

Can be a tool for wisdom, and for good. Can’t find JP much without it for example.

[@juliotorres9720]

How is social media oppressive???

[@theiridulezen528]

To think that Dr. Peterson is suffering from withdrawal symptoms and not to mention other crises in his family ALL WHILE being so articulately insightful in this clip speaks volumes of the kind of person he is. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with him you gotta love his commitment and passion.. Super 👍🏻

[@dennyjamesgrey]

BuT dOeS hE haVe iT woRse tHaN hiS gRaNdpAarenTs??? All due respect

[@thenatureofnurture6336]

Stalin was a socialist and showed a lot of passion and commitment... What exactly is there to love about denatured passion and commitment?

[@loubieloujones5698]

@@thenatureofnurture6336 What did he say that you disagree with?

[@strikerorwell9232]

Im going through the same type of withdrawals as Dr Peterson and Im so fragile I have a hard time going to the store. I cant understand how Dr Peterson handled his withdrawals and could appear in front of an audience. I been an amateur musician so Im quite used to the attention but now I fear my own shadow.

[@ronfox5519]

@@strikerorwell9232 Wow. That sounds rough. I hope you come out on top very soon.

[@jladdyost]

To Dave's point, who among us can say we have it worse than our grandparents? Not many. One of mine died in the Great Flu of 1918, another was orphaned at 10 and scrubbed floors from 14, with a baby in tow at 18, another died of diabetes at 50 in 1940, another taught school for $4000 per year. A step-grandfather shoveled coal into a furnace 60 hours a week before overtime. Yes, my life has been easier than all of theirs.

[@shaunsteele8244]

easier than my grandparents, yes. Easier than my parents, no. My dad dropped out of high school in the 60s and went to Vietnam. When he came back he got a technical degree after he saw an ad in a newspaper, and was starting a new career after about 6 months of "training". By the 1980s he was making almost six figures as a high school dropout. To get the same job today, you'd have to first spend four years getting a BA and then go get your technical certifications which would take maybe two years. And you still wouldn't be anywhere near as well off as most boomers were in the 80s lol

[@jladdyost]

@@shaunsteele8244 You make a great point--credentialing as a means of exclusion has risen to a high art form. My brother's best teachers had degrees in math and science but today would be not allowed to teach because of all the "Education" requirements.

[@judithmartin5974]

Our grandparents had to work crazy hard just for the basics

[@jladdyost]

@@judithmartin5974 Yes! I'm 63, and my parents would be 104 now if alive. My grandparents were born between 122 and 140 years ago. So, my parents grew up in the Depression, and their parents certainly had it even harder.

[@MrThumbs63]

I was born in 1963. Anyone who was born after 1955 has had an easy life.

[@Duncangafney1]

I love JP's simple comment "Tidy your room." I.e improve your life in some small way, with it's inherant message that if you cannot even get the basics in your own life right, what on earth makes you think you are qualified to try and fix something that's more complicated than you can possible imagine? Most people and I include myself shouldn't be making statements, or holding opinions about subjects they know nothing about. There is nothing wrong with the statement "I don't know". In fact it's probably the wisest thing most people will ever say, because they are acknowledging their own ignorance.

[@matityaloran9157]

“The wise man is he who knows that he knows nothing” Socrates

[@PEPSEP]

How bout he comes up with a new slogan? "don't get so hooked on drugs you have to be put to sleep so that you can get off them"

[@loubieloujones5698]

@@PEPSEP Demonstrating that you don't understand how or why he experienced problems with that particular drug. How kind of you to wade in with your judgement before addressing your ignorance and in doing so, giving us a perfect illustration of the intellectual arrogance JP was referring to. Bravo! 👏👏👏

[@loubieloujones5698]

@@PEPSEP PS There's a video on KZbin explaining the science behind what happened to JP if you're interested.

[@JackHaveman52]

@@PEPSEP So you're the guy that Peterson was talking about. The guy that throws out Nietzsche's book because he disagrees with one or two things written in it. Quite the small perspective. Always looking for the imperfection and then judging the world or people on that. No wonder people want to tear their own country down. They expect perfection and when they don't find it.....DESTROY. "Let he who is perfect, let him throw the first stone". It would appear that you have a pocket full of stones, all ready to be thrown from your perfect little hand.

[@theo._.8003]

JP's articulation and presentation of an argument is absolute class - yes, we are all aware that not everyone agrees with some of his opinions, however, the foundation upon which he structures a point/idea could be considered flawless, to the extent that journalists and interviewers try to twist and manipulate his own words against him, and fail every time. An outstanding political commentator and psychologist and is one of very few nowadays that truly voices their honest opinion.

[@sabejreid2072]

AGREE 100%

[@kimobrien.]

@@sabejreid2072 The very beginning statement is utterly ridiculous. A $50 smart phone supposedly means one can not be oppressed. The cell phone has become so ubiquitous that they illegally circulate inside prisons. Fifty dollars will not even come close to buying a $50 gold piece. Cuba has a higher literacy rate than the US.

[@Xanderbelle]

So what you're saying, is....

[@kimobrien.]

@@Xanderbelle How come you do all this with the "Great writers of the past." but don't do it with the Marxists?

[@MyGroo]

He's a clown. The video by @DarkMatter2525 summarized his bizarre rhetoric perfectly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHimfHyFd6d-bbs

[@tscotom]

God bless you Dr. Peterson, please be strong and take more care. Your simple and insightful words are like refreshing drops of water in a dry and parched world. Greetings & Cheers also to Mr. Rubin and many thanks for your KZbin advocacy Mr. Anderson.

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

really ? - they both came across as a right wing morons in this interview

[@eemage9476]

My grandparents had 6 children, grandma never worked outside, grandpa with an average job was able to graduate 3 of his children without going bankrupt, medical needs were always covered, my grandparents had their own house, grandpa only had 3 vehicles as I understand, and the last one lasted 23 years until his death, always surrounded by his children, grandchildren and some old friends from the same town where he grew up. I could say that they lived a full and happy life. Just because today you have more TV channels or Netflix, a cell phone, more news about space travel, better medicine for those who can afford it, and above all, the ease of expressing yourself before a larger scenario on social media, I don't think we are in a better position than them. Try leaving your partner at home, with 6 children with a regular job, and come back to me with your experiences.

[@floatingsara]

You had me at medical needs were covered and had their own house. Not sure any Zoomer could allow this even working 20 years.

[@Tonymontanayayo]

How about not having 6 kids…. Pull out, Jesus kids are preventable. Probably the downfall of most people is having unwanted kids, especially if you’re low income.

[@Myrius69]

My father bought a new car (Toyota Corolla) in the 60s for his salary he got for sailing in a fishing ship for 3 months. Today you need to work many years to afford a new car like that.

[@Myrius69]

He was not the captain, maritime engineer or the cook. He was one of many uneducated sailor. He only went to school for 7 years as a child.

[@dasonata259]

I agree with you that our grandparents generation may have even been happier, but remember the audience for Rubin’s rhetorical question. If a listener had the wisdom to realize why a person two generations ago might be better off than a person now, they wouldn’t be arguing about oppressive nonsense in the first place. The debate would shift elsewhere to a higher level of moral philosophy.

[@richarddevita4291]

We are blessed to have lived in a time when this man shared his insights and observations

[@steven5054]

*not a cult*

[@e.h.5680]

"We are blessed" that not a single follower of Peterson in these comments has questioned the title of this video: "absurdity of socialism" where this had nothing to do with socialism. That's how brainwashing works.

[@josephrich3509]

He's a flaming irrational pseudo intellectual!

[@hectorae86]

We are blessed to have a man live in this time where this man shared his insights and observations. We ought not to NEED him to have to do so, so we are not blessed to be living in this time just because he is here.....

[@josephrich3509]

@@hectorae86 Yea that absolutely makes no sense at all dork!

[@mopedparts6146]

Man. This man just makes sense. From following the "are you worse off then your grandparents' question, Dr. Peterson just RAN with it and scored MULTIPLE Touchdowns (that's American Football speak,... sorry). The thing is that what he said is so intelligent yet one doesn't have to be intellectual to understand how much SENSE what he says actually makes in a way on both a personal and realistic level. Wow.

[@kimobrien.]

@benchi2 Sure the Bourgeois Professor is doing fine while the working class is told sacrifice is needed.

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

That requires determining what is 'worse off' and what is 'better off'. My grandparents had no TV or internet. Was that 'worse off' or 'better off'. You could make an argument for either.

[@Rufusismydogsname]

@@kimobrien. Dr. Peterson has worked harder and sacrificed more than the vast majority of those who disparage him. And he faces legitimate systemic oppression (from the Canadian government and university system) unlike many of the people who complain about such things. This is in addition to his intense personal health and family health struggles. You may not agree with him, which is perfectly fine, but to try and simply dismiss him as "Bourgeois" is intellectually lazy and disingenuous.

[@kimobrien.]

@@Rufusismydogsname I don't see him breaking a sweat but maybe I missed the day he poked himself with a pencil. I have no love for elite academics nor do I have any control over what the bosses government does. The only thing I found absurd in this video was the arguments made against an abstraction of whatever it is these guys are talking about. Capitalism is basically a rigged game where the house always wins. The Bourgeois are the controlers and funders of Elite University Professors chairs. They and their ideas are the ruling ideas of capitalist society.

[@coolioso808]

Um, a lot of young people ARE worse off than their grandparents'. Hello!? Just because they LIVE in a more technologically advanced world, doesn't mean they aren't struggling, in debt, poor, working paycheck to paycheck, stressed out, overworked and underpaid, never seeing a chance to own a home or even have a decent home. That's far too real for many Canadians, Americans, and people all around the world. There is no technical or moral excuse for billionaires to exist while millions live in poverty and are homeless. That's an embarrassing and violent system failure of capitalism, the driving force of the world economy. System change is necessary for those who wish to have a better future. They can build it with cooperation, collaboration and co-ownership. Are you excited about the future of the world if the status quo monetary-market system stays in place along with the ultra rich oligarchs, owners of the means of production for profit maximization?

[@rules4life337]

I love how passionate Jordan Peterson is, when he gets all choked up , he’s really special.

[@hunterluxton5976]

This man speaks so much sense. His clarity is refreshingly simple and obvious.

[@kimobrien.]

When did they use the word Socialism or Socialist?

[@johnnysalter7072]

He has never identified anyone that advocates socialism.

[@roquefortfiles]

No he doesn't speak sense. He's a verbose idiot.

[@glennhynes5263]

Mr Rubin's transition from left to right is nothing short of brilliant and beautiful. A wonderful man.

[@cooganalaska3249]

Raising a child with another man acting as your wife is not a conservative endeavor. It is, in reality, child abuse.

[@steven5054]

Right-wing gravy train too lucrative bucko!

[@davidhawley1132]

@@cooganalaska3249 No one's perfect LOL. The culture war is making strange alliances.

[@glennhynes5263]

@@cooganalaska3249 None of us are finished products. I can imagine that there are many reasons to 'cast the first stone' at you even.

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

he was never left but to understand that youd need no political ideology and its history esp for backwards toxic usa

[@bobbypicha7755]

“You don’t throw away the whole book!” JP He’s so awesome.

[@Mohamed-bm6yk]

Yet hé wanna throw thé whole Idea of socialism

[@timsmith2525]

@@Mohamed-bm6yk If you get to choose the people who participate with you, socialism can work on a small scale; however, if you force people to participate, it's a disaster.

[@abehambino]

@@Mohamed-bm6yk there was a qualifier to his “don’t throw away the whole book” analogy. When it the book has NO value, then yeah, throw it away. What he was referring to was discarding something that is mostly good but due to a perceived imperfection, justified or not, the entire notion is discarded.

[@coolioso808]

The book? The Monetary-Market Book? The book that is based on the assumption that everything is scarce and so resources must be owned and sold back to the people by their exploited labour and there always needs to be more growth, more consumption and more problems to fix, because problems create jobs and people buying stuff over and over again is they only way to keep the 'market economy' going, while disregarding efficiency, sustainability, preservation and decency. Yeah, it's a joke book. Even worse it's a sick joke book that you can't find any significant evidence to support why humans must exist in a monetary-market system dictated and controlled by a super wealthy elite group. There's no good ending with 'reading the book all the way to the end.' But throwing the book away could have an AMAZING saving opportunity for humanity to all live in prosperity, abundance and put an end to poverty, politics, war and slavery. Just see what can be done if we move forward, check out the videos by A World Beyond Capitalism for an astute analysis of our problems and how we can go about changing them.

[@Samsgarden]

Look, I’m an Australian and we’ve passed the rubicon. We live under the heavy hand of govt. Small and medium sized businesses are getting fleeced and we can not charge appropriately, while corporations pose huge barriers to entry and enjoy govt. contracts. Now watch as developers subsume the dead retail sector into high rise apartments - more rates and taxes for the govt. as the fabric of suburbs changes forever. We live under corporate socialism.

[@mikearchibald744]

Dude, Australia was BEHIND North America, that was done DECADES ago here.

[@lilliansmith8444]

It is called Fascism dear. And Peterson here is a great proponent of it.

[@steven5054]

You just have to climb the hierarchy bucko! Trying to change things leads to the gulag! Buy my book bucko!

[@mikearchibald744]

@@lilliansmith8444 To be fair, I've never heard Peterson talk about corporations and that kind of economics. Certainly the economic status quo doesn't seem to bother him and his support of this guy running for the conservatives is a little bit like that, but in Canada and the US the main political parties LONG ago got owned by large corporations. Trudeau fired his Justice Minister rather than let a major corporation face criminal charges of corruption. Just two days ago they announced giveing 100 million to the Australian giant potash company that bought all the potash in Canada so they can develop a new mine. Yet supposedly to SOME canadians he's 'anti west' and 'against business', but there it is. Our province in the east sits on a huge already developed potash deposit, but not a penny to try and get it operational again.

[@bobleglob162]

@@lilliansmith8444 "fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition" Pretty sure JP would not be a proponent of such a thing. And I doubt he's a proponent of whatever ad hoc definition of fascism you've allowed to be injected into your head.

[@pilroberts6185]

What’s amazing is Rubin is an intelligent, interesting and engaging speaker with person important things to say but when Jordan Peterson follows, Rubin seems boring and childlike in comparison. This isn’t an insult to Rubin but a compliment to JP, he was rapidly becoming a living national treasure of Western Civilization!

[@psychcowboy1]

Peterson said something intelligent? What?

[@johndodson8464]

Peterson is such a warrior. Still swinging. Like a boss.

[@johngawrylash7732]

In order to be a warrior, you need to have an opponent. Peterson filters out all opposing comments on his video channel. Ironic isn't it. The guy that says your free speech is being taken away filters out all opposing comments. That's very Russian like. Very China like. He's a dictator.

[@alexanderwhite298]

Yes my grand parents had it better than I do, they own a house by my age had a family and starting to get grand kids, they did all that on a contractors and nursing career. I got to suffer a job I didn't t like for 12 hour days for a decade and got nothing for that time wasted, so yes they had it better.

[@damagedgoods62]

Jordan is ALSO a "One in a BILLION" who have visited this earthly plane. People should LISTEN to his wisdom and insight.

[@grubbygruber1621]

Neoliberal pish. Watch the revolution. It's televised.

[@enterthevoidIi]

He dares to talk about socialism after getting schooled by Žižek? Brave, brave lol He doesn't understand socialism or communism and his knowledge about doesn't go beyond reading the communist manifesto

[@titteryenot1136]

one in a billion?nah🤣

[@redbear4027]

I've always known my government oppresses me, but it was never made so clear as in the Family Court here in America.

[@jamesgriffin7046]

Jordan's point about humility challenges me. It's so easy to think "Why doesn't everyone see it like this?" That's how I felt in my 20s. Now that I'm a bit older, I'm shocked when I meet someone that has a similar viewpoint on more than 2 issues.

[@ordinaryvalley]

Great point

[@willyreeves319]

that's why i have a 70% guideline for voting - if the candidate holds 70% or more of the same values they get my vote - still doesn't happen often. when i was younger i wanted 100% or close to 100% age and experience showed me that was impractical. maybe the magic number should be 60% or 75%, i go with 70%+ now. barring that i tend to pick whoever is closest or whoever is most likely to lose next time so they can do the least damage over time.

[@kimobrien.]

@@willyreeves319 Don't you need to use the word Socialism if your going to talk about it being absurd?

[@DeceptiveSquid]

Yep and the trick is somehow getting all these different perspectives to live side by side, without using force to overpower each other. Which escalates into violence. The modern west has come as close as anyone ever has.

[@johnnysalter7072]

JP the most arrogant man in the country lecturing on humility.

[@peterthewless5693]

I think all these guys display a clear understanding of the people they’ve misinterpreted. It’s easier to condemn something when you’ve caricatured it, and there’s so many red flags in this conversation alerting to that, it’s painful to hear.

[@bluewhitewebdesign5004]

I've only just discovered Jordan Peterson, and what he says resonates with my way of thinking so much.

[@elsenored562]

What did we get right? 6:58 • the sovereignty of the individual + the right to property 7:14 the dignity of the individual 7:18 innocence before the law 7:45 .. each person has an intrinsic worth regardless of their externalities

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

Thats liberalism - but as you know govt are becoming more authoritarian with the failing economies Socialism while agreeing says its now time to go to the next step in human evolution

[@DivineKnight_115]

Another reason I think Jordan resonates with so many people is because when he speaks, he has the energy and concern of a real father figure and since most people never grew up with that voice in their lives they tend to listen to him more intently.

[@barrysherwin3297]

I am curious as to why you think MOST people grew up without a fatherfigure in their lives ?.

[@TheHexeract]

yeah it's def guys with daddy issues and trauma that seem to like him.

[@davidjw8819]

Not only that but the passion and sincerity in his voice.

[@barrysherwin3297]

@@TheHexeract Could you elaborate on that statement, and I see you can spell trauma correctly but seem to struggle with deaf ? or is this an attempt to be trendy or just laziness ?. I genuinely am curious.

[@TheHexeract]

@@barrysherwin3297 Weird to comment on my use of slang when you can't even manage proper sentence formatting. If you want to be a be a grammar Nazi you should probably learn grammar first. Embarrassing bruh.

[@rorymckee3125]

JP just nailed/smashed it again,these guy is mesmerising to watch/hear.What he says all makes so much sense,and things we don’t even realise we have,he perfectly reminds us,we are so lucky to have what we have.Get his books im on the second one.❤️JP⭐️💎👏👏👏👏

[@estanford826]

My grandparents - during the great depression - were thrown out of their house as were many other people at that time. These houses could not be sold because nobody had any money to buy them and they were boarded up. And because there was no place to live, my grandfather broke into these boarded up houses and they lived there until the authorities caught up with them and threw them out and then they moved into another boarded up house. That went on for a couple years. What a horrible way to live in this country! Think about being a man with a wife and four children no job no home doing whatever he could to make his family survive. I’d say we have a lot better now. But I will say that we seem to be headed into that same scenario yet again. Heads up.

[@xostler]

I have a sinking feeling we will be experiencing this again in the coming years. Could be a good thing though. People have become too puffed up in their own pride, myself included. What true hardships have I endure? I genuinely can’t think of one that’s been so world shattering. Recessions sure. But I’ve never gone hungry or found wanting for a bed to sleep in. Perhaps some hardships will help my generation become a more loving and compassionate people?

[@ToddSauve]

@@xostler And get this current generation to stop belly-aching about every single thing that no one can do anything about anyway. When you are as young as they are, all you have is a bit of knowledge but you have no experience. No experience means no wisdom. So they complain a lot at universities and refuse to accept the wisdom from past generations. This is going to end in disaster.

[@sandysutherland2182]

Yep, that’s capitalism. Isn’t it just the best! Beats socialism hands down anytime!

[@Guido_XL]

The Great Depression was the result of a failed state policy in which credit expansion was boosted. The inevitable bust that was to follow this boom, could have become a mild recession that would not have lasted long, but the way in which the Hoover administration handled it all, the Great Depression could really kick off, when tariffs were raised to a level that practically meant a business blockade of borders. Hoover tried everything to stop a natural readjustment and urged for more public spending, whilst the conditions were set completely into the wrong direction. It's like the cause of the Chernobyl disaster: set the wrong conditions and pursue the wrong chain of events to support a disaster that cannot readjust itself anymore. People seem to believe that the Great Depression was the result of unrestricted capitalism. The opposite is true. Under real capitalist conditions, this would not have happened. It's state socialist policies that induce such errors.

[@noeldacosta7621]

@@xostler yeah homeless people always strike me as the most loving and compassionate people... it's all that hardship that just makes you soft as a teddy bear.

[@robertklein3059]

JORDAN PETERSON IS A GENIUS. I LOVE LISTENING TO HIM.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

If the words of Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell, were taught in schools instead of Left-wing ideology, the world would be heading into a brighter future.

[@jimmyc8583]

No one, Danielle could have said it better than you did. When searching for understanding try Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson.

[@jimmyc8583]

@@vivienneb6199 I for one have no idea who he is. Now, that alone tells me he isn't someone who shares the same beliefs as I so, whatever you think you see, you are sadly mistaken.

[@jimmyc8583]

I'm not your buddy.

[@brynleytalbot778]

@@jimmyc8583 Don’t convey the impression of a closed mind trying to appear as if you’re an intellectual because you follow Peterson. Inform yourself, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist), before dismissing someone attempting to expand your knowledge.

[@Cleveland_Rocks]

Why would the world be any different if we had the words of right wing corporate hacks like Jordan Peterson and Thomas soul in our minds? They’re basically regurgitating what’s already there, which is “don’t question power, and don’t challenge power!” They like things the way things are,

[@Ron-n4j1l]

Gotta love Peterson. Rare clarity and consistency in his message.

[@georgerebovich3758]

OMG, start improvement with myself? Moi? Perfect me? You crazy, man! I need to change the world! Right now!

[@jladdyost]

Spot on! It so much a syndrome of a trophy for Participation as for Caring More than Thou!

[@KevinL714]

If you can't fix your life, how can you fix the world.

[@lucarossi8442]

Well I am italian, my grandparents (from both sides) were middle class 60 years ago (teachers, entrepreneurs, police officers) when being from middle class ment that you were moderately well to do, my grand parents could afford to pay for higher education for all their childrens, buy more than one house (one primary and two or more for holydays), go on holydays and travel around the globe. 60 years later, I could be considered still from middle class (I have a CS degree and a stable job) but in my city (Milan in Italy) an appartment for a family of four cost about 900 thousands euro (and i cannot afford it), every year I must choose if I want to pay for my daughters school tutition or if i want to bring my family on a trip (ofcourse i pay for tutition). So, yes, I am doing far worse than my grandparents.

[@fabianpatrizio2865]

I agree......it's all relative and depends on what specific concerns you are discussing.....Housing nowadays is so expensive and beyond most people, even though they may have a 'decent' job...my father's side (Italian) did well, like yours, when everything was cheaper and people could have 2 houses or more, plus cars, holidays etc....but my grandparents grew up during the war (in Sicily) and had next to nothing as towns were destroyed...so....it's all relative

[@FriarJoe66]

I think it’s more likely that people are socially/politically better off than their grandparents, but not economically

[@floatingsara]

Hi I am Italian too ! Notice how in Italy too people are blaming the young for being "lazy at work", while they are offered 280€ a month for a full time job. And the minimum standard for living is 1500€.

[@dannypope1860]

Dave Rubin is incredible! He is one of my favorite people.

[@josephchess2624]

Pulls phone out of pocket claiming anyone who has a phone is oppressed. Doesn't realize, the phone is oppressing most people...

[@amberwoodstudio]

More great content Watching this from a 2022 perspective make me realize how quickly backwards we went in 3 years.

[@1982mikedn]

I live in Chile, a country inundated by hundreds of thousands of economic and political refugees escaping the ruins of socialism in Venezuela in real time. In spite of Chileans seeing this unfold with their own eyes and hearing firsthand accounts of the destruction that socialism brought, Chileans themselves recently voted for a hard left President, under the pretences of thinking that in Chile they would be smart enough to do things differently. Dumbfounded by this I asked a Venezuelan friend how people could be so blinded by their own hubris, he told me bluntly “ Venezuelans were warned by Cuban refugees too, before we elected Chavez, we also thought that we were smarter than the Cubans”.

[@nickmitsialis]

But Chile experienced the 'joys' of a elected communist government once before, and that went terribly even before the Army stepped; either folks can't remember or the education system is fulling their heads with utter nonsense.

[@ljss6805]

Look, the truth is that socialism and capitalism are an idiotic dichotomy. You have a spectrum of combinations that include capitalist and socialist aspects and the societies that are doing the best are the ones that have found a good balance between them. That is what most of Western Europe and several East Asian countries have found. Let's grow up; it's not 1935 anymore.

[@nickmitsialis]

@@ljss6805 and some ways I have learned that it's better for the country to have a 'nationalistic' business practice (IE: having as much economic production domestic) is pretty good. Seeing the jam up of having to rely on 'imports' to stock our shelves, keep us in masks and protective equipment, etc, has opened my eyes.

[@ljss6805]

@@nickmitsialis Yes, but that has little to do with socialism or capitalism per se. That is a nationalistic choice and one that is these days rosy pink and cute with unicorns and rainbows. To be fully reliant on everything in your own country today is next to impossible and almost an economic death wish, regardless of what country you are. Sure, you can try to give an economic incentive and priority to domestic business, but at the end of the day, much of that comes down to production and consumption. Americans love their cheap prices and at the same time complain about everything being made in China. Look, you want it made domestically? Fine, poney up the 5x more it'll cost and we can start talking about a nationalist agenda.

[@limelight8018]

the left can lie so good it's hard to compete

[@JohnWilliams-iw6oq]

Insightful questions to men of great insight, thank you John.

[@marielaserrano7637]

Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson are two great minds people should know about and benefit from their wisdom.

[@jamesanthony5681]

What has Peterson ever said or did that would even begin to equate with what Sowell has said and accomplished? I'm serious when I ask this question.

[@Cleveland_Rocks]

They are both complete corporate shills.

[@Flipmode1900]

His brain is mush

[@steven5054]

They both dance for that Koch money too!

[@wstavis3135]

@@steven5054 the utter ignorance it takes to write what you did is almost astonishing.

[@gulanhem9495]

I love dave Rubin. He's the sweetest guy on earth, so genuine and honest.

[@steven5054]

He sucks Koch for cash

[@w.w.8823]

"Does anyone in this room have it worse than their grandparents?" My grandparents raised 9 healthy children off of one self-employed wage. Seven of their kids went to university for free and had all their tuition fees paid by the state. They owned property debt-free by the time they were in their 50's. My grandfather was an unqualified, self-taught TV & radio repairman. They were demonstrably fitter and happier than today's youth. They kept chickens, geese and a goat on their small-holding. They ate only organic whole foods, because pesticides and processed food were not common. In their old age they were cared for by a free national health service and received a state pension, even though neither had paid pension contributions. I dunno...we have more stuff today, more entertainment, less physical work and more leisure for sure. Do we have it better?

[@JDVN7]

Statistically and generally speaking, yes, we do have it better... having internet access alone makes it waay better, like having a personal library, movie theater, arcade room, and music studio all to ourselves. It's the lifestyle of the general individual, your grandparents lived a simple low-cost lifestyle while most of us live a complicated high-cost lifestyle. complicated and a high-cost lifestyle doesn't necessarily mean we have it worse, it may seem that way but it's just not. It's like comparing the calculator with the abacus... you really think the simplicity of the abacus is better than the complicated inner workings of a calculator?

[@thommagnusson8449]

Absolutely. My grandparents raised several children and had a very rich social life. She was a stay at home mom for the most part and he was a skilled carpenter. They grew their own vegetables and their entire yard was full off apples, carrots, green beans and so on. They were married for like 70 years, never had any serious health problems, and both died just short of being 100 years old. She always said "when he dies I die too". And she did shortly after. Can't think of a more rewarding and honest life.

[@KevinL714]

When buying the latest iPhone and 200 dollar nikes. Yeah you have it better, you're just spending like an idiot...

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

@@KevinL714 manufactured , manipulated, brainwashed by capitalist marketing

[@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205]

Fun listening to John Anderson's segments. Nice on the eyes and a silky sound. Love it ❤❤

[@southboundguitar]

Absolutely love the closing idea. Thanks so much for your dedication to output JP! We love you!

[@kimobrien.]

Sure you love the talk because he never used the dirt word in the title so you were spared the ringing in you ear of the word "Socialism." They did an excellent job of self censorship never using that bad word the bosses hate to hear "Socialism".

[@kimobrien.]

@@loturzelrestaurant I'm not sure how my comment ended up under yours. I have no objection to your comment in fact I have looked at "second thought."

[@kauboy9816]

Dr. Peterson, to his credit, is developing his own theories and contributions to the world. But that may not end up being his primary guiding assistance in our world. Jordan is an aggregator of wisdom. His comment here about separating the wheat from the chaff is exactly right, and what he does best. He brings together these titans of the past, translates their ideas to the modern vernacular, adds in common examples to illustrate the points, and presents them as advice and warnings. His "fix you first" approach is spot on. It reflects the story where Jesus said that anyone without sin could cast the first stone at an adulteress. Like I said, an aggregator of wisdom. He gives focused advice we would do well to reflect deeply on.

[@thatotherguy8138]

Speaking for myself, I DO have it "worse" than most of my Grandparents. (one died in WWII, so obviously I'm better off than he ended up) But I don't see that as a bad thing, nor do I see myself as oppressed - my grandparents simply did better than I am. They reacted better to the challenges in their lives. One of my grandfathers was a tenured University Professor when that actually meant something. My Grandma (his wife) was a well-respected musician within the Anglican church. My step-grandfather was a high ranking Military commander (my grandmother married another military man - that's the life she knew, so she stayed within it) who was instrumental in post-war Canada. My grandmother raised 7 kids (2 of hers, 2 of his, 3 of theirs) while he was often deployed across the world for months at a time, while the family moved 10-15 times in 20 years. I can't compare to them. But that doesn't make me oppressed in ANY way. I could have done much better if I had made more future-searching decisions when I was younger. But I didn't, and I'm paying for those mistakes now. (Literally as well as figuratively) The majority of people I've interacted with are in a similar boat to me - even if we are worse off than our grandparents, it's entirely our decisions. WE decided that when we were 25, we were "too young" to settle down. We decided not to start saving money until we were in our 30's. We decided that we wanted to be $150/mth for Cable TV, Home Phone and Internet when we barely watched Cable TV and we were also paying $50/mth for a Cellphone so we never used the home phone. We decided to spend $1500 to fly to Whistler for a weekend of skiing. We decided to quit our boring 9-5 job to try to make it as a Streamer or KZbinr. We decided that kids weren't something we were interested in, that we'd rather live in Toronto (or New York, or LA, or Washington, or Montreal, or Vacouver, or London, or Paris, etc.) and pay $2000/mth in rent instead of moving to a small town and paying $1000/mth for ALL the mortgage, insurance and utilities. We made the decision to live in the Now instead of looking to the Future. My Grandparents didn't do that, and so when they were in their mid 40's (like I am), they were much better off than I am now. And it's entirely my fault.

[@slevinchannel7589]

This VIdeo here reinforces once again just how massively long-lasting the Campaign against Socialism was. How much Big Companys and Rich People in Control want Socialism to be Twisted more than even Genesis-Apologetics want Atheism to be twisted and demonized. C'mon, dont fall for this - let KZbinr Second Thought clear-up Myths and Misunderstandings. His video Socliaism for Beginners does so for the Start.

[@thatotherguy8138]

@@slevinchannel7589 No thanks dude - I was heavy into Socialism in my youth, I'd prefer not to go back there.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@thatotherguy8138 Ok.

[@shaunweaver5619]

Thank you for your honesty TOG. My wife is a financial coach. What is that, you ask? Someone who helps you recognize the consequences of your choices and then helps you figure out how to clean up the mess you've made. Your case is common. You are uncommon in that you have recognized and taken personal responsibility for your choices. Good for you!

[@ReclaimingTruth]

Socialism will not fix these problems. It will only make it worse.

[@abhishekchaudhry3960]

"start from yourself" and not by pointing blame to others or to the system. JP is awesome 👍

[@micpic119]

"The worst of all snakes is the serpent in your own heart." Jordan Peterson

[@jladdyost]

Two things most lacking in modern Leftists: humility and gratitude. Humility is denigrated as apathy for "the cause" and gratitude is considered "ignorant". If you're grateful, you're either an overprivileged white male who needs to atone and get out of the way or a lackey for white males to maintain their hegemony.

[@MrShadowpanther3]

Building something takes time, effort, planning, knowledge Tearing something down takes an idiot and a crowbar. Is it any wonder why there are so many people who just want to tear stuff down?

[@kellynestegard5208]

...*you don't throw away the book*.... Love it.

[@jonathantjoaalgreen27]

Dave's "but you have chance" is absolutely true and so wisely expressed.

[@normanjacques4092]

Super. You both are inspiring. Thank you for elevating the conversation. I feel kinda dumb after listening to both of you... but inspired 🤪

[@ChrisB-wt4ym]

Need more people in the world like JP

[@cooswillemse7551]

Jordan Peterson is and will always be the goat! How great to have him around

[@marshall9224]

great answer by Rubin followed by a wonderful monologue by Peterson, thank you for this short clip that contained sm wisdom.

[@johnod203]

Jordan Peterson is literally the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you, God, for him. Listening to him almost always causes my heart to overflow.

[@frankdunne2401]

He has said God does not exist

[@cjsanderz5129]

AOC is also a gift that keeps on giving. Just for a different reason.

[@johnod203]

@@frankdunne2401 Don't think so, Frank. It's just that he is pretty careful with his words - most of the time. I don't think he ever said that. If someone asked him "Do you believe in God?" , he probably said something like: "What do you mean by "God"? or "What do you mean by "believe"? He's a very careful thinker, he's very intelligent, and he's very honest.

[@Gwenhwyfar7]

I think we do have it worse than our grandparents because our money isn't worth as much. My grandfather inherited money to go to college, I received no such thing now that college costs 1000 times more than it used to.

[@mdaniels6311]

Exactly, the idea we are soooo lucky for owning a cell phone is ridiculous. Tell that to a family throw onto the street because one of them were unlucky enough to getr cancer.

[@cygnetspurs]

Great opening question John Anderson. I asked the same question when you and John Howard sold Australia's gold and took away all the guns!

[@roberttackett]

Jordan Peterson is the best listener. I wish I could listen like him.

[@vanguard8889]

Jordan Peterson is a gift. We are lucky to share in his wisdom

[@kimobrien.]

His is the kind that keeps on giving. That of an intellectual being bandied about by the class struggle looking for the same safe space as his bourgeois opponents. .

[@Aussieguy72]

Some people confuse inconvenience with oppression because they don't know what real oppression is like.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Get the students to deconstruct their mobile phone and reconstruct it better. How many will succeed in building a better phone? How many will fail and be left with a non-functional pile of garbage? If they can't build a better outcome in a system of a few thousand components, what makes them think they will succeed in a system of billions of components?

[@robertholland7558]

That is why you get a master of the trade to do the job.

[@nerdly44]

This is a fantastic analogy. Kudos.

[@robertholland7558]

@@nerdly44 no it’s not, for no political system has ever worked,so pulling it apart and trying to build a better one is never going to work.

[@loubieloujones5698]

@@robertholland7558 True but they do work better or worse in relation to each other. Western civilisation is the most successful in human history so far. And the consequences of failing to improve on it would be disastrous for millions of people. Therefore, tread carefully, is the message.

[@AndrejY94]

This was the best analogy I ever heard in my live ! Cheers ! I think those students who cant rebuilt there phone should be deported .

[@ianpepper4240]

JP actually in his very person embodies the very argument he put forward in the sense that some of what he says is to say the least questionable nonsense whereas some of it is really level headed and thought out. He's a complicated character who I don't always agree with but I'm glad he's around doing his thing.

[@robinr.2233]

What?

[@puppergump4117]

If anything he says seems questionable to you, you should look at the sources he talks about.

[@bloodyconstraint920]

"To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty." Maximilien Robespierre The kind of thing that happens when you follow certain people. You get a righteous reign of terror.

[@ThePamastymui]

When one in queue watches and cheers about the rolling heads of political opponents, one might not notice the queue is for the execution.

[@bloodyconstraint920]

@@ThePamastymui hear! hear!

[@hijodelaisla275]

The name of the game is no longer oppression, it's manipulation.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

He's is clueless about Socialism. SEE FOR YOURSELF: Second Thought is the Name of a Socialist-KZbinr who gives a Beginners-Course but doesnt stop there.

[@greatmystery11]

I had dropped more or less by chance into the only community of any size in Western Europe where political consciousness and disbelief in capitalism were more normal than their opposites. Up here in Aragon one was among tens of thousands of people, mainly though not entirely of working-class origin, all living at the same level and mingling on terms of equality. In theory it was perfect equality, and even in practice it was not far from it. There is a sense in which it would be true to say that one was experiencing a foretaste of Socialism, by which I mean that the prevailing mental atmosphere was that of Socialism. Many of the normal motives of civilized life - snobbishness, money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc. - had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves, and no one owned anyone else as his master. Of course such a state of affairs could not last. It was simply a temporary and local phase in an enormous game that is being played over the whole surface of the earth. But it lasted long enough to have its effect upon anyone who experienced it. However much one cursed at the time, one realized afterwards that one had been in contact with something strange and valuable. One had been in a community where hope was more normal than apathy or cynicism, where the word ‘comrade’ stood for comradeship and not, as in most countries, for humbug. One had breathed the air of equality. I am well aware that it is now the fashion to deny that Socialism has anything to do with equality. In every country in the world a huge tribe of party-hacks and sleek little professors are busy ‘proving’ that Socialism means no more than a planned state-capitalism with the grab-motive left intact. But fortunately there also exists a vision of Socialism quite different from this. - George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia It must be nice to experience something rather than to only read about it. Thanks for your efforts George!

[@mahmoudx6865]

Exactly, most intellectuals (especially in western society) have no idea how to define socialism so they just apply it to any ideology that they dislike. Quite frightening considering these people are supposed to be an "intellectual elite".

[@nicholasconder4703]

I don't think he saw the eventual outcome of this "experiment" before the Fascists over-ran the area. Turns out is wasn't so great. I saw an interview with one of the Catalonian anarchists, and what happened is this. Everyone was guaranteed a salary, and so you ended up with at least 35% of the people sitting around at the cantinas drinking and socializing with their buddies, a further 35% who spent a few hours a day in fields, and the remaining 30% who actually worked all day and ended up getting ticked off with the other 70% who were more or less doing nothing. It didn't work out so well.

[@joshualin6971]

"Does anyone here have it worse than their grandparents" won't stand the test of time though. my grandparents went through wwII... but if the same question is asked 2 generations later than today, im sure a lot of people will raise their hands..

[@ArgueWithTheMajority]

They all misrepresent the viewpoints of most somewhat informed leftists in so many ways that I, unfortunately, cannot be bothered to point them all out right now. However, I want to mention that it is a bad sign for any panel when Jordan Peterson is the most earnest, constructive and sensible person on that panel.

[@AlistairMinimalist]

Why does it feel like Mr Peterson is preaching common sense the way my grandmother used to teach me? She was brought up in 1920s in Kazakhstan, USSR, she had 5 years of public school education and 10 children, 7 of which survived. I mean why do they teach it on the University level? 😄 😄 😄 West has fallen so low... 🤔

[@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa]

Who's watching this after 2019 and wishing we could go back to living in the "free society in the West" where we weren't oppressed!?! 😰

[@jhonklan3794]

Lol ur not oppressed

[@daniel6cil]

Probably 2019 will be written in the books as the peak of a free society in history

[@pensivepatriot5230]

Thank you for pointing out that this is from 2019....I’m pretty sure the opinions of JP and DR are different in 2022! The question about being worse off than grandparents....yes, few young people will ever afford to buy a home or go on vacations etc.

[@davidyummus6259]

I don't follow people & I don't have Hero's but Jordan Peterson causes ME to think and I like that.

[@lindaardigo5456]

After eating his bowl of rice. The Buddhist student eagerly asked: “When do we start our first lesson Master? The Master replies:“Wash your bowl”

[@flomccanuck8095]

love it, thanks

[@whoknows-i8x]

Does anyone here have it worse than their grandparents? Our grandparents could afford to buy their own homes.

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

and support their family on one income

[@lindsayheyes925]

Yes, mine too BUT The quality of their housing was truly dire by today's standards, their workplaces were much less safe, their jobs were much less stable, their mobility was far more restricted, and my grandparents went through two World Wars and lost family in the events surrounding those. I cannot say that I am worse off than my Mother, whose home was destroyed in The Blitz, nor her father, who was sunk three times, nor his mother, who had to give up her children to be raised by others. Nor my Father, who witnessed the results of the atomic bomb at Hiroshima, nor his father, who had to move out of the family home because his father's last year involved so much suffering that the children were not allowed to see him... and so on. My ancestors lives were solitary, poor, nasty, brutal, and short, but Hobbes' description in 'Leviathan' marks the turning-point that we call 'The Enlightenment' which led to the huge improvements that we experience today - yet every day belittle.

[@AJxxxxxxxx]

For those of you that are ignorant….. Capitalism= elite control Communism= government control Socialism= worker control Whenever you hear redistribution of wealth they are talking about communism and NOT socialism, Socialism has nothing to do with redistribution of wealth or government control, it’s about worker ownership and workers control and it eliminates the rich elites from a society

[@malcolm-danielfreeman5940]

actually shows you arent as educated as you think capitalism isnt elite control , its capitalist or ruling class control (they arent necessry elites) communism is no control- its a society with no govt no class (capitalist) and no money

[@Calz20Videos]

depends on how you implement it not rly the goal of marxist communism at least is to get rid of all hierarchy including govt

[@AJxxxxxxxx]

@@Calz20Videos And the point of socialism is to wipe out the elite class and its influence on both society and the government

[@AJxxxxxxxx]

@@Calz20Videos It’s the goal of socialism to wipe out the elite class and its influence on government and society

[@esthermwaniki1298]

I appreciate that Jordan Peterson acknowledges the oppression. It's hard to have this discussion if we don't have the empathy or sight to see that there are people with phones but live very oppressed lives. And we should refuse the idea of comparing with a poor, backbreaking, oppressed grandmother, that's normalising oppression. Our grandmothers should not have had to fight such battles, and when we fight we fight for them as well. And there's room for and in this conversation but it has to start where Jordan started with acknowledging the oppression. And I share these thoughts as an African living in Africa not a right or leftist.

[@dsgio7254]

The fact we live better today means that we should not demand social justice ? We live better because 1. we produce more ( and be paid less compare to our production anyway 2. we have more freedoms which did not exist in the US 50 years ago,. And don't forget that when people demanded these freedoms were treated violently for a long time. ( civlil rights movement, etc )

[@jeremywilliams703]

JBP... the best. Thank God for JBP. ✌️❤️🙏🇦🇺

[@MoonGooned]

Dave Rubin's opening argument was that of a child. Fast forward to 4:35 for the actual response of an adult.

[@DynamicArtsHD]

Doing gods work Dawn

[@georgeadcock2347]

Hate to admit it but Dawn is correct

[@rocktober1327]

I'm an Independent, my Grandfather came from Naples Italy, never served this country and had it a lot better than me and I served in the US Marines in 1972.

[@jessgatt2306]

"Absurd freedoms in the West" excellent subject. Learn from the great philosophers and stoics a bit. Start with Socrates, or Plato, or Seneca, or Lincoln, or Washington, or Churchill, B. Franklin, J. Adams, P. Henry, for that matter all the greats, then finish with Jesus of Nazareth, all opposed the Democracy concept. Only those men or women fully equipped to take their part in a true republic qualify for the right to vote their futures, the rest only degenerate into the Democratic mold, that being the imposition of absurd freedoms that invariably lead to slavery.

[@dennyjamesgrey]

It's amazing how Dave Rubin can utterly destroy a strawman.

[@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer]

I agreeeeee with that.

[@edgar-valentine]

wonderful stuff, set me up for the day

[@RedandBlackS10]

What I take away from conversations like that other guy has to say is that only your problems matter and no one else's. Jordan was spot on in this one! The idea that we don't have remnants of the previously incredibly patriarchal that still exist in society today is absurd. However it on ourselves to continue working and improving upon it. "Separating the wheat from the chaff" is an excellent ideology to take hold of. It like how some of our founding fathers, after two landmark court cases in MA declared slavery to be unconstitutional during the American Revolution. This isn't to say society back then was free from Patriarchy or oppression at all, but it was something highly notable that moved us one step closer towards more peace, justice, freedom and liberty for all.

[@ammox4683]

My grandfather was a carpenter and had 11 children, a house, finished college (back then it was free), and was also dedicated to his ministry, there's no way in God's green earth that I or anyone could afford to do all that especially if with a jobless wife like my grandmother was so yeah, I think I have it way worse than my grandfather.

[@DiogenestheGreek]

Your grandfather had great challenges that he overcame. You lament your challenges that are a fraction of those faced by your grandfather. If you THINK you can't, you can't. It is easier to feel like a victim, and not have to work so hard as you grandfather.

[@meregaming1770]

@@DiogenestheGreek That's just a story you tell yourself, you don't which way it really is.

[@alandempsey2496]

well frikkin didddums. He workedhisass off. There were no gifts.

[@ammox4683]

@@alandempsey2496 Where in the US is college free and a blue collar job can afford you a house, 11 kids and a jobless wife? Can you please answer that? This also wasn't uncommon back then families were that big and rarely had the wife working as well since disposable income was plenty with 1 job.

[@alandempsey2496]

@@ammox4683 I replied, but it'snot posted. Hmm... I see your point, but todays predicaments callfor other solutions. I symppathise with your points and inded your position... but 1) dont have 10 kid.. 2) get an apprentiship in awell paid essential trade... building, plumbing, electrical , trucking... easy to say, but doiing hasalwaysbeen the hard bit. Ask your grandpa if you dont beleive me. Good luck andcheers.

[@ladyfaye8248]

We are materially better off than grandparents, but for vast numbers of us, I feel that we are worse off emotionally and psychologically. Also possibly socially, and probably spiritually. One instance is the 'drip-down' effect, of traumas from war times, down the generations.

[@saturupiah5940]

Totally agree. My wife does too.

[@Duncangafney1]

I think you will find that it's probably far more about the fact that most people get hopelessly indoctrinated by the media and "social media." My ancestors, were worried about important stuff, now we have little in the way of really important stuff to worry about, so many people spend their hours worrying about stuff that honestly doesn't much matter. It's also about the total takeover of the western education system, by arrogant, intellectual, left wing elitists, who feel wronged, because they think they should be in charge, because they are such great thinkers. But it never seems to occur to them that most of them believe that the teachings of Karl Marx are good, despite all the evidence that shows that ideology to be the most evil ever dreamed up by a human being.

[@docsavage8640]

It's the Internet and social media causing all your psychological issues outside of whatever lousy genetics you inherited.

[@ladyfaye8248]

@@docsavage8640 who said I was referring to myself ? Nobody.

[@johncheves4740]

In every generation, there are traumas that affect large numbers of individuals, not just the generations confronted with large scale wars or natural disasters. The difference is that in the past, traumatized, wounded people had a more stable, less chaotic environment in which to try to recuperate and heal. There were constants, and commonly accepted beliefs, some good some bad, that nevertheless gave structure and stability to the culture. Today, we live in a chaotic, confused s*** show with no commonly held beliefs, constantly shifting and competing values, and wretched excess, where there are no fixed goalposts or boundaries. There isn't any fixed target for you to aim for, no absolutes, no set path to follow. If everything is anything someone says it is, and that changes day to day, then how do you separate fact from fiction? What is real? What is worthwhile? How do you chart a path to some sort of resolution when you can't even make sense of where you are now? I find it ironic that so many, especially on the left, who find fault with modern culture, and want to trash it and start over again, are the very people who broke it in the first place. They are the last people qualified to make any changes at all.