Jordan Peterson - Is Increasing IQ Possible?

[@Bacxaber]

His tie hasn't finished rendering yet.

[@abhishekdev258]

Excuse me What?

[@michaelclermont]

Well that was the funniest comment around. For those who didn't get it, it's a tech joke.

[@ByrnesEffect]

😂😂 that’s a good one

[@fahmisbas]

LOL

[@Debt-tective]

@@abhishekdev258 Rendering is like loading the image, outlining it and shading it to give it a 3d appearance or on par with the imagery in the video. So the joke is that his tie looks like it does in the video because it's image isn't performing like everything around it is.

[@ilcastilho]

I once did an IQ Test and the result of it was lower than my country's average. I felt bad, but I couldn't understand, because I had good grades and was good enough at the university as well. I speak 3 languages and I'm currently learning the fourth. Does that mean I'm brilliant? No. Follow your own path, do honest things that brings you happiness. Don't focus on these metrics.

[@weirdkid9202]

underrated comment

[@guandewei]

Try again

[@buk1733]

o0SuBzErOo0 agree. Well said

[@jerome1471]

@@o0SuBzErOo0 that dude is smart as fuck, he just chose a more simple life and we should respect that. But that doesn't mean he isn't smart enough to be a professional

[@selmaserinturk3185]

Mate if you did the test from the internet it can be wrong or inaccurate because sometimes They want you to believe that you are lower than the avarage or etc. After showing you this they probably have an add or sponsor which is about "increasing IQ"(!) some people believe that things and they pay for that idk man If i were you i wouldn't believe that thing a lot

[@Vlad19874]

What I've learned from this video? 1) Excercise to prevent IQ decreasing when getting older (keeps brain clean and oxygenated) 2) Increase conscientiousness: Valued goal -> positive feelings when achieving small wins (reward system) -> keeps you moving forward

[@kubrajade6387]

Thank you! Xxx

[@penglets]

I've been researching a bit, it seems a lot of the environmental factors to affect intelligence are related to schooling. Become an over-achiever. Become more competitive. Schooling exposes the mind to a lot of complex problems which can improve cognitive capabilities. So, do well in school.

[@ismaelmoe7407]

IQ doesn’t increase nor decreased. Cognitive decline has nothing to do with raw intelligence! Example: autistic children that solve very complex equations despite serious cognitive impairment. Education has nothing to do with IQ. I took the Mensa test I score 145 when I wasn’t speaking English whatsoever. Pattern recognition is how they tested and the person that register me is very well spoken with Master degree in human resource management scored 110. I guess he took me there for a reason 😂 today I’m much more successful than most around me and actually helping everyone solve their issues 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@josueinhan8436]

Also increase your industriousness, by implementing micro habits that will take you to your main goal.

[@priyamhazarika_]

These are the only things i could take off from the video aswell

[@johnfranciskennedysongwrit2639]

My old grandad always said.. “there’s 3 types of people in this world... ..Them that can count and them that can’t”

[@theknight9292]

Lmao

[@sharoonaftab8894]

@Reloaded Past r/whoosh

[@ApoHD10]

Vlad Tepes i didnt know you were still alive

[@nadimansari1683]

Hahahahahahahha

[@ADRENERGlC]

it took me way to long to understand this!

[@sirnippip]

Awe man... guess I'll be dumb forever.

[@kingdomnate6906]

The pic did it for me to lmao. Fucking genius.

[@RajSingh-qc6lq]

Start working out and start taking psilocybine, you'll recover a few iq points mebe.

[@jarogniewtheconqueror2804]

That means all the things I do are pointless

[@youtubelovers7621]

I love you so much bro

[@youtubelovers7621]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@judewishedhimselfout]

I've never taken an IQ test, and I am afraid i'd be really disappointed if I did. :(

[@agustinl2302]

Me too. I mean, if I were to use my academic grades and my country's average IQ as evidence, I'd say I'd score well above 100. Of course, I am afraid I could just be stupid enough to believe that and in truth be just average.

[@sovietai2595]

Agustín L Don't think grades correlate strongly with intelligence.

[@agustinl2302]

Soviet AI They don't really correlate, but they are still intimately related. That's why it was a guess. Remember that IQ is a predictor of, among other things, academic success. Besides, I don't only mean grades themselves, but also ease to grasp concepts that your classmates struggle to understand (since IQ is by definition a comparison to the average, and my country's average IQ is 96), and other measurements of "success" (such as having a C2 English certificate at age 16 without ever having set foot on an English-speaking country).

[@agustinl2302]

Now that I read my last message again I realize it may look like I'm bragging there. It wasn't the idea at all, sorry for that. I only meant to make it clear that I don't just mean "grades" as in having full marks on a history exam because you memorized the whole thing or spent weeks preparing for it. Still, as my first post stated, I might just be average (and delusional for thinking I might not, haha), and thus taking an IQ test is kind of scary.

[@sultanofswingdrift3021]

Snipethemapples that just means you had a bad day. If you took many tests some would be low but top ones would be around your real iq.

[@paulgrancio1979]

Jordan Peterson states that the games that claim to train your IQ don't actually increase your IQ, but will improve your performance in similar games. If that's true, could you possibly create some sort of mental training that helps people with the most common cognitive problems of life, making their lower IQ brain more efficient rather than simply trying to increase the number?

[@nirajpathak99]

That's what coaching classes and tuitions do. In India only 4% employable engineers due to same effect

[@muffinman2946]

That's what teaching is.

[@chinmayravindrashah]

While true, anticipating all the scenarios, or mental games in this case, is extremely difficult and possible impractical. I would add a question here; what happens if you train a class of 100 students for 100 problems you find the most difficult in anyone’s life? If your answer is 100% success then I would guess it to be an awesomely made test, however, what happens at the 101st problem that was unforeseen? If not more than 10% succeed at solving that, then you’re back to the training drawing board. I am not completely sold on the IQ debate on either of the side, but if modular training is showing results then the results better be analysed and evaluated. As @Niraj rightly mentioned, the classes in India are tutoring students to be at a platform where instead of 10% of naturally talented students now compete with 90% of the rest, because the 90% of students have received the training from the coaching. However, the minute you see a problem that isn’t one of those patterned questions, the success ratio drops hugely. It may not come back to simple 10% of the previously ingenious students but even at 30% success ratio, the coaching program should be considered less than successful. Additionally, I believe that the training becomes increasingly difficult as you enter into higher dimensions of problem solving. An interesting statistic here could be the dropout rate of normal engineering colleges in India instead of comparing with the IITs. Even a 1% per year dropout rate would result into thousands of people who’d simply quit in an engineering training environment, that has been universally bashed for its bad quality. It’s a sad thing but it’s an interesting statistic. While IITs are considered to have an extremely rigorous, or rather torturous training environment, the rest of the colleges do not apply such training norms and still see dropouts every year. Bear in mind, that the state and central governments have collectively demonstrated their interested in getting more students “passed” in their examinations rather them training for hardships of life. Hence, it completely depends on the individual on what path he chooses to walk on. The advise on “microhabits” is probably the most underrated for a population that has overwhelmed its analytical and creative youth into following a routine, beast-of-burden exercises of getting coached rather than taught.

[@dave-kn4yr]

I'm a programmer and I've noticed that after I not only learned to code, but also general problem solving that went along with it, I found ways to solve problems easier. The whole imagining the scope of the problem, envisioning how to solve it, then implementing the solution is seen so often. Sadly I don't have any objective evidence, but I'd imagine these sorts of "general skill" would be a good idea to train, to almost give the illusion of having a high fluid intelligence. Honestly I think just thoroughly educating yourself on broad topics like math, science, language, etc. Can get you rather far, which is also pretty much the common education system. One other side note, I have taken two IQ tests in my life. When I was 16 I took one administered by my school and scored a 104. Back in school I was a major slacker and did bare minimum work, but I really did try on the IQ test and then felt disappointed I didnt do that well. In college for my undergrad I double majored in math and computer science. I would argue that the problem solving skills really changed my life more than anything. It now feels like if I have an intellectual problem, I can almost always work my way through it without too much struggle, just because I've worked through so many problems in comp sci, math, and coding. Just recently at 24 years old I took another IQ test and scored 126. Patterns that I didnt recognize before just showed up. I still however encountered a very noticeable roadblock where none of the last 10 or so questions I could even think of how to approach or solve. It really showed me bluntly how there truly are visible differences between IQ of different people, because my older brother was able to understand till around the last 7 questions and ended up getting a score of 134. No matter how hard I thought, I just couldn't come up with an answer. I'm not necessarily trying to prove that anything caused my IQ to raise, but I'm just making a pretty safe bet. Doing these sorts of problem solving practice with a pretty wide variety of topics, such as most in the STEM field, probably does something to increase IQ longterm if anything. It's not really a satisfying answer because it takes a long time and takes a lot of hard work, and is probably what most people expect to be the answer. Sometimes I wonder what my IQ would have been if I didn't watch TV and best my meat throughout all of highschool while never using my brain for anything, or even earlier. Maybe I would be a more capable person, it's a pretty depressing thought because those developmental years are gone

[@moonwalker_-ny3um]

There's scientific proven games that can help such as dual n back, brain challenge (bc is available for psp and bc 3 is also available in gameloft classic game which can be found in the app store), elevate brain training can help boost iq, also learning how to play a piano, playing chess, reading and taking herbal supplements like bacopa monnoeri, mixed with lions mane mushrooms, etc... can help boost cognitive function...

[@DeadBeat1azy]

He says No

[@borneddied671]

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[@paranormalphenomena563]

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[@borneddied671]

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[@paranormalphenomena563]

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[@borneddied671]

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[@GTOberfest]

My thinking reading and learning has improved greatly over the last 5 years. IQ or not I am smarter, read faster and more productive than ever. Consume knowledge always and waste as little time as possible. Unlearn everything taught as school...and search the internet for the truth ...compare everything to reality and make your own conclusions.

[@pocnit]

GTOberfest Conscientiousness goes up with age, so you're just wasting less time and you're more industrious.

[@haidengeary8277]

IQ involves the ability not only to process data, but use it in a productive way. If all that's been done, then it's improved.

[@GTOberfest]

Belal nice oversimplification...books that have value(teach truth and/or something of value and not written by marxists/Liberals etc.

[@GTOberfest]

Tseren Zurganov Well said. I wrote what I said based on my real world experience and noting the rather drastic improvements . Overall processing speed has increased significantly. I should add that I do live a healthy active lifestyle as well and supplement nutrition...it seems that can be a factor as well. My IQ has been tested above 130 but I'm sure others would benefit regardless of their current overall intelligence level.

[@vaultfault9360]

+GTOBerfest I did as u sugeste n now I cant spel or do maf. Wud no recomende

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

How to raise IQ At 1:09: No real solution. Your IQ goes down after age 20. However, you can prevent IQ declines that take place as you get older. 1:25 preventative health: exercise (anaerobic and aerobic exercises) 2:00 Conscientiousness (mainly industriousness) -set up goals you value 3:00-4:00 Develop a plan of what you would like your life to become. Break down the goal(s) into micro-processes, the micro-processes become positively causal and relational to the goals you're trying to achieve.

[@zainabe9503]

Taking him as if he's a prophet. Jeezus Jordan has many flaws in his arguments too, but his followers are too blinded by his charisma.

[@kynanverwimp847]

Your brain stops developing at around 25 not 20...

[@nutelina]

I call that BS cuz how you' d recover from a stroke or MS? Terry Wahls did.

[@nutelina]

Of course you can increase your IQ, read any book from Weston Price, do a heavy metal detox, nootropics, juice fresh tumeric etc...

[@kynanverwimp847]

Pablo do you even know what IQ is, increasing your knowledge does not increase the processing speed of your brain.

[@rosicroix777]

I think the best thing about jordan peterson's lectures is that he breaks everything down for the listener into simplified & understandable bits so no matter the listeners level they all learn something. IMO he's the epitome of what teachers should try to teach like as the teachers who i learnt the most from did exactly as he does.

[@wasik7482]

The way he narrates amd and the pace is high so liw information processing like have a hard time dealing with it

[@arponixairsoft6242]

why does every jordan peterson lecture make me feel a failure at life, yet I am addicted to listening how hopeless I am in achieving anything haha

[@Valconize]

I feel the same thing like I'm a failure and won't change because of my iq but I really want to change it!

[@zionpope9491]

Hahah I’ve been learning lately that I am a damn mess and I have a lot of work to do. Its daunting and i am stressed about it but it’s worth it. Thanks to JBP, love that man.

[@BabuR-ue4bf]

Western science is like this

[@mannyx2796]

Called red pill

[@TheMrb777]

Because Jordan Peterson is basically just feeding people black pills. Your no better off here than on a forum full of incels.

[@crazedoutlook]

There are different schools of thought with IQ. Then you get into the nature vs. nurture debate. One compelling theory I learned in lifespan psychology is that people have a range of potential IQ points, based on hereditary. Where they fall within that range depends on their environment and how they react to it.

[@1pcfred]

I've never heard precisely what it is that makes some smarter than others are. Something to do with interconnections in the brain? But I suppose we can look at it like we're all computers. Some just have weaker processors than others do. You can't upgrade either. Maybe you can do some overclocking and get a bit of a boost. But if you were born with a 386 you're never going to run like a Pentium. We're probably actually more like FPLAs. But who knows what those are?

[@0Clewi0]

I don't think there is much fight, but the increase in this video is refereing when you are an adult. Nature gives a capacity, nurture let's you reach it.

[@Blitzkrieg-1941-]

So before I use to have a low IQ but I kept thinking to myself "Why can't I learn this? What makes it so hard?" and what I found out was that my brain wouldn't learn things that I thought I couldn't learn. I know it sounds stupid but when you stress out about something your mind actually produces glutamate which stops you from learning. I also find/found that most people will think they know better than the text book they are reading for some reason. No one actually can get past their ego that someone knows something better than they do and will not learn it. What this does is open your mind to learning new things and not allowing your ego to get in the way. Also trying to critically think 3 steps down the line is another thing I started to do. eg. "Why is this person angry? What can I do to make them not angry? How will that effect my relationship with that person?" because I also found no one did that, it's not rocket science but it helps you both in every day life and also your intelligence because even mundane things become a little more complicated and increases your skill at thinking in a different manner than normal. Also the fact he doesn't talk about neurotransmitters and how the brain learns kind of makes me wonder, because that's how your brain remembers and learns and the more neural pathways you have the easier it is to learn and remember. So i feel like he left out a big part there.

[@user-zt4sc5cp3x]

Nice insights

[@bloodkat9676]

This is a cut clip from like, a 2 hour long lecture.

[@TheTiredhermit]

Still has limits

[@MajinHico]

Now I can imagine how Stephen Hawking was training to maintain his IQ

[@dhruvdust1812]

dude, that dude benched as hell, he was jacked

[@IDoNotLikeMyAlgorithm]

@@dhruvdust1812 yeah maybe when he had to change a tire

[@veshtitsacraftsandtunes4693]

It starts to decrease at 20 because that's when life becomes stressful

[@Kartagoooo]

In another video, he said it starts to decline rapidly at 25. I think the last one is true, he maybe just made a mistake.

[@_laifishardisntit_1379]

My IQ decrease since I was in middle school for real. I want to increase it again like before I was or more if possible.

[@iboremytherapist]

after 20, you have to reallocate some of your intelligence bandwidth to repetitive (monotonous) life skills like working and paying bills

[@igobyvax]

Not trying to be cringe but school is kinda stressful

[@dirtiscake4701]

@@igobyvax You are not cringe. I agree, school is stressful, and can really effect mental health.

[@gabrielmalek7575]

It’s hard to know if your smart, I feel like, the more you learn about the world the more complex it becomes. The smartest people feel like they truly know very little.

[@TheFatPunisher]

Watching his hands during this whole lecture is interesting.

[@itotallyagreewithyou6586]

O k .

[@zorz7730]

Read a lot of books.Travel.Learn to play an instrument.Exercise and eat healthy!!

[@sadgiraffe1914]

It depends on what you mean by travel. Don't take a cruise, fly to another country or drive to a city you've never been to before.

[@Volkbrecht]

Travelling is highly overrated. The people who find it "broadening" are usually those who started out pretty narrow. With all the pictures and information around us in the media it should be considered easy these days to adopt different perspectives without spending 10 to 20 hours in an aircraft.

[@1pcfred]

Then on your deathbed you can let out a really plaintive why me I'm sure.

[@elijahizere]

I love being in a very strong routine, I find that travelling and holidays breaks my routine and I have to restart myself to get back into routine.

[@blinkanddie3397]

Or hey just enjoy your life

[@Nachtgeist.]

what i took from this is that all i've got left is misery and suffering :(

[@Nachtgeist.]

well that explains the shootings.

[@DrSTAHP]

@@amitv9128 >Provides a permanent solution to a permanent problem >"P.s. don't do it"

[@ihsan_osmanoglu]

Every second is golden. This is a 6 min life lesson.

[@jackjones3657]

It's interesting though how some autistic people, who would score very low on most any IQ test, can be very high functioning in specific tasks e.g. Painting, certain mathematical functions, memory etc.

[@SuperYtc1]

I’m an unborn foetus and I scored 223 on my last IQ test.

[@kyoza1911]

Try mensa norway and tell me how much you got, other iq test most of the time give +15-70 iq you really have.

[@Manny123-y3j]

Take notice of how many words and how much information Dr. P is able to communicate in 6 minutes. My god! The man is incredible.

[@JimDeferio]

Peterson is a naturalist and as such he sticks to the hard wiring of natural biology and dismisses environmental and nutritional factors which other researchers have shown to have an effect on IQ. It is best not to become a follower of one person but to seek out research by others.

[@1pcfred]

Ever think that environmental and nutritional factors are influenced by whole populations and their average intelligence? It is all interrelated with each other really. A feedback loop, if you will. In fact being in the best of environments with an abundance of food causes populations to stagnate. It was the monkeys living on the side of the river that faced hardships that evolved. The ones with the easy life are still living in trees today.

[@Jupiter__001_]

Probably a mixture of genes and environment.

[@oilybrakes]

Peterson actually mentioned nutrition a few times across his lectures. He excludes its effect in 1.World countries, since nobody is malnourished enough to be affected by it during the brain's development. He does point out however, that breastfeeding a baby seems to increase the IQ and some other stuff as well. But later on you are stuck with what you have. You only can get more efficient, but not raise the fluent IQ wich predicts your learning ability and decision-making ability.

[@0Clewi0]

I think he believes in the enviromental factors but after becoming an adult there is not much to do to increase it.

[@souloftheage]

Jim Deferio But his structural understanding is still sound. You've just manipulated IQ SLIGHTLY-at best. People will accept that they'll never be able to jump 3 feet and slam a basketball-there is little pride lost in that lack of ability. But the notion that you cannot be this infinite intellectual being is highly distasteful-especially when juxtaposed against the American fantasy that one can become anything they want to be. 100% Calvanistic/American notion and cultural fantasy

[@_spacemonkey_7079]

You, my man. I feel like you are helping me raise my IQ. Thank you Mr. Peterson, for sharing your intellect with us.

[@CapitalistKiwi]

Off the top of my head I can think of two actions that have increased IQ in people. 1) Fully defining the terms used in a particular activity and life in general. 2) removing the mental barriers to learning. Both these have the prerequisite that the person is well fed, well rested, and has no un-diagnosed illness

[@osaidzaher8995]

Is ther evidence behind this ?

[@dominickcharbonneau9250]

​@@osaidzaher8995 I study for computer certification exams and am in school for IT. When I was a teenager I used to think that if I was bad at something others were inherently better at it, and that was sort of a mental barrier. There are many talents people have but clearly they can't all be defined by numbers. An interesting fact is that Vincent Van Gogh didn't decide to become an artist until his late 20s. Showing that there's still a learning curve for everyone, and you're always able to find new talents. I don't like the fixed mindset that IQ tests promote. And, I really don't like Jordan Peterson's stance on them, nor do I take it seriously. IQ tests are standardized tests, like the SAT, meaning everyone takes the same test and you get a result relative to others. Also, there are technically resources to see IQ test questions, much of which are logic based before hand, meaning you can study for these tests. Also, say one day you didn't eat breakfast or had a bad mood you'd be likely to score poorly. To me it makes sense that you can increase your score. I definitely at the same time think really high scores are anomalies and do signify very high intelligence.

[@evilhomer5384]

I don't know about increasing iq via brain excercises, but when I was in my pre teens I had a score of 107, now at 16 it's 120.

[@IguanaFilmArts]

IQ is a man made simulation to estimate our raw intelligent processing power that is applicable to solving all patterns in life, also called our fluid intelligence. Depending on your score you likely either solve them quicker, or slower. But a person with an IQ of 120 can solve a more complex problem in certain circumstances than a person of an IQ of 160. This is because the IQ test in it's truest nature only tests for deficiencies or the opposite (outstanding results) within a limited timeframe. The IQ test was initially designed for people with deficiencies to become more recognizable and then to be guided after booking low results. When looking at the scores of the IQ test, it is interesting to note that on average the score does not vary too much during a person's lifespan. The smartest stay the smartest and the least bright the least. But I think after a certain IQ score the importance of the score in comparison to actual real life performance fades and curves out at the end. Above IQ 115 and you simply should not care much for the result difference. Scores of 115 enable you to perfectly function in the most complicated school systems, the rest is up to your work ethics and personality. But also another interesting note is that this test takes a few hours to complete, which can only truly simulate complex patterns in a more compressed scenario. This will certainly limit certain mindsets to not perform as well as their optimal mind could when they would be challenged in their optimal way. We have many different minds on this planet, some operate from within different senses than others. Some with talents peaking into just one direction, others that are Jack of all trades. This means that an "one puzzle to test all" scenario is simply not possible, and therefore the nature of the simulation that is IQ exposes it's inherent flaw. Just like any test or game, it has rules and contexts it operates in. What I believe the IQ test shows is the benchmark of those two hours that you took the test in, nothing more, nothing less. It's an indication to what could possibly be your performance in our current educational system, not to what permanently will be your performance in it or other systems or talents. So in conclusion, IQ is as plastic as our brains are. Sadly, in today's society we see these scores flying around without much recognition to what they could potentially insinuate. The IQ test is the best we got so far, but it is far from perfect. It should be renamed to Potential Intelligence Quotient. Results could(but not necessarily) fluctuate over time, but if you have a lower score than you thought you would get then work on your deficits and test again in 5 years. The test is here to help us all, not to label and discriminate us. Work on better habits and become your best self, that is all we have control over. Peace.

[@GoodNewsForStrangers]

Thanks legend.

[@AbhishekSingh-pp1ks]

That is false. The predictive power of IQ is just as strong at the high end of the distribution.

[@IguanaFilmArts]

@@AbhishekSingh-pp1ks Moderately well, sure. Predictive validity of 0.5, and IQ tests have various versions for various ages. It's a relative term though, career success or Job success is measured in what value? Salary and job position? Enough smart people fly under the radar or have an ability that I previously stated. Is IQ an indiciation? Yes. Is it a factual number on all intelligences of human intellect? I would have to politely disagree. And don't forget the bias that is the time limit that is put on the IQ test. Complex problems in real life could consist of many more factors, speed isn't everything.

[@AbhishekSingh-pp1ks]

Iguana Divergent. Iguana Divergent. No one suggested that IQ is the complete summary of intelligence. IQ measures how efficiently the brain the works. As job complexity increases the predictive power of IQ increases. And no there are not “multiple intelligences”, certainly none that can predict success (or anything). Speed is everything because success is about outperforming other people and the best way to outperform other people is to do something faster. IQ predicts differences in job performance in employees who have worked for decades and the relationship is just as strong as it is for newer employees. Someone with an IQ of 120 will never be able to solve the problems that someone with an IQ of 160 can. IQ also reliability predicts creativity and mortality which suggests that fluid intelligence is essential for life. Life is truly an IQ test and some will do better than others.

[@IguanaFilmArts]

​@@AbhishekSingh-pp1ks "How efficiently the brain works" or "Assuming a specific function of the brain within a very limited timeframe that can be correlated significantly (though not as causation) to job performance"? "There are not multiple intelligences" or "Multiple intelligences have not been quantified enough to be a measurable tool for just job performance"? The fact that higher correlations of predictive validity exist for more complex jobs does not mean a causation is present. IQ tests are performed within a certain set of rules and variables. There are a multitude of IQ test versions including ones for analphabetic individuals. All these IQ tests have to be taken within a certain time frame meaning that someone has to rapidly solve many issues with complex patterns in that timeframe. Such a pressure is a bias in itself, as certain personalities types taken the HEXACO in mind do not perform well under pressure, trait hierarchy is applied . If a person with an IQ score of 120 hypothetically comes up with a better plan in a year time than the person of IQ 160 could, where do you see the difference in result can come from then? It can have many possibilities, including the fact that the IQ score is an indicative score that indeed represents an efficiency within a certain time frame but that simply don't mimic all complex pattern solving real life has to offer in practice, or even the personality traits alongside that score that can predict success. A complex real life pattern can take a lot longer to solve than an entire IQ test would. Those real life patterns thus can not be tested in that pen and paper test. It's then a simulation and an indicative score within a framework, not the efficiency of the brain. Also, people operating within more complex jobs generally have a higher previous education and have a higher chance of being interested in IQ tests with the intention of performing good on them. The likelihood a complex job performs an IQ test during the screening phase is also higher for complex jobs than for lesser jobs. These phenomena all create potential biases in predictive validity score differences. Then there is the Flynn effect, creating fluctuations in cohorts of different generations by over 25 IQ points. This is an indication fluid intelligence and crystallised intelligence are bound in ways we don't fully understand yet. Furthermore, Alfred Binet & Wilhelm Stern, Spearman, Stanford-Binet & Wechsler each had their different take on how the 'g' general intelligence scores should be interpreted and arranged. Furthermore, correlation differences in predictive validity on job performance above certain IQ scores are negligible. A person of 115 IQ will do just as fine on the job market as in comparison to one of 160, depending on personality traits and other personality scores becoming more important than that difference in IQ score . Studies showing differences beyond a certain IQ score still being profitable on the job market are scarce, thus the law of diminishing returns applies to IQ scores above a certain level. This in turn makes the IQ score to be labeled as "low", "medium", or "high" a much easier alternative. This labelling system would also be reflective of the origins of the IQ test that was proposed by Wechsler, the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children to be exact. This version was used to diagnose children with learning disabilities early on and to be able to help said children get aid much earlier in life. Now that is a good way to use the IQ test for real practical implications in someone's life, not as a flaunting score that intimates those who scored a decimal lower than them. You get the vibe? Luria, Thurstone, Cattel & Horn, Gardner and Sternberg proposed theories on multiple faceted intelligences. Actually Guilford dissected intelligence to 150 factors. Fun fact, students who believe intelligence to be dynamic scored higher grades than those who believed it to be a fixed number. In conclusion, IQ scores can be used for screening purposes to detect anomalies of both high and low scores and guide the disabled or the talented in systems that can be profitable for them, but oh are you mistaken about when you scored high on your IQ test and think that life will work out for you. In such a case I wish you the best of luck with your future endeavours, you'd need it. Peace.

[@blacksunaccounts]

When you realize all you have is misery and suffering.....☹️

[@erickelly4107]

You can in FACT score higher on IQ for many reasons. For example, during the previous IQ test you hadn't sleep well and or had too many other things on your mind. It could also simply be due to lacking self-confidence and thinking too hard. I know for a fact IQ scores can improve as I've personally improved mine by well over 20pts believe it or not. Took an IQ test at 15 when I wasn't well rested and lacked self confidence, etc. and scored only 92. Many of the test questions I failed I wouldn't have due to the reasons outlined. Fast forward 10 years and I've scored 115 (25 years old) and finally 120 (38 years old). So IQ scores CAN and DO change all the time actually. Some people make little to no improvements while others can make substantial improvements. It all depends on the individuals set of circumstances. I'll never high a "genius" level IQ (140+) but I wouldn't doubt that I could perhaps improve by 5pts or so to around 125.

[@akherverullunjuk1954]

You might one day get to a "genius" level IQ. You never can know with 100% certainty.

[@100percentSNAFU]

I disagree. Watching more of Jordan Peterson has to raise your IQ!

[@kristinadk]

lol, i was thinking the same thing

[@demoncard1180]

You sweethearts

[@demoncard1180]

Cute. I remember that being the most intelligent form of humour back in the first year of high school. Privates in the army liked that sort of thing, too.

[@unironicirony9741]

Demoncard shut up nerd heh gotem'

[@demoncard1180]

Considering that you're subbed to dozens of cringe meme channels and you've also uploaded some mediocre videos with monkey humour, you're not in a position to call anyone else a nerd, nerd. Grand Illusions is actually good content, though, so you're not entirely beyond help.

[@christianpoet7815]

I wish you had spoken expensively about this in your book 12 Rules sir, I was looking forward to things like this in there! ( speaking as an African individual who, albeit not involved in psychology in any way is really interested in the questions of inteligence)

[@Samuel-mu7vq]

One wanting to increase its IQ is irrelevant because that's just superficial expression of your mind. You should dig deeper where thought comes from and find the "gears" to alter. For example, people with high intelligence are usually highly sensible. More the informations there are more the velocity of your reasonning increase and so intelligence itself makes its show (as we could intuitively stated). So forget desiring about intelligence, that's pathetic, the matter is elsewhere.

[@SantaCllaws]

This whole IQ thing has recently devoured my ambitions as of recent. I've been taking a philosophy class and it's really more of a psychology class but given what philosophy is it obviously correlates. Being a mechanical engineer student I've just felt like I need to have a high IQ to become relevant in terms of being creative and because I've been aware of recent of all the dumb shit I acutally do such as not paying attention to details has lead me to this. I suppose I'm just typing this as a sort of affirmation...

Hey man it's doable I even had a damn awful stroke and have been able to recover some cognitive ability. Was 85th percentile idek now but hopefully you haven't had something that dreadful happen there is surely hope just avoid damaging activities

[@leifkhas7425]

My gender identity is that my IQ is 200 and you're reprrssing me cuz I'm not President of the world.

[@gavinreid8351]

Leif Khas your gender identity? Interesting. Dumb..low IQ proved..

[@leifkhas7425]

gavin Reid you obviously are the one with the low IQ cuz it was obviously satire.. Dam we're screwed!

[@WTfire10]

Leif Khas or maybe you got double trolled :)

[@codycharles7147]

I identify as an IQ test

[@AngelaMoses123]

Leif Khas at least he knows what he believes in. Not everyone understands sarcasm or satire and I was going to defend him because you're making fun of his IQ because he didn't get it and that is really bad but on the other hand he was being critical of your opinion even though he didn't realize you had the same one as him, hum, all very interesting. Regardless of who is smart and who is not I think the smartest people don't belittle others because they have different opinions or lower IQs but that's just my opinion. And normally I would not criticize but since you're making a comment on Jordan Peterson videos and he talks about IQ and Niche, an Jung and morality and status and bullying and Superiority complexes and all that stuff, well, I assume that you would not expect less and if you do well you shouldn't because set yourself up for that one.

[@shinyheart3373]

"If you have none of those things then all you have got left is misery and suffering." Holy sh*t!!!!!!!!!!😵😵😵😵😵 That's scary man.😢

[@gym7144]

Hmmmm, if we treat the IQ test as a game then those that are better at the game will be thought of as “smarter” than others. Charlemagne could not write, yet he spoke 3 languages and dramatically changed the landscape of Europe and the Frankish people. If IQ tests were based on writing instead of symbols and problem solving then Charlemagne would be thought of as a dumbass. Life is more than tests on paper, it’s about dynamic thinking, social interaction, and much more. Just because someone isn’t good at an IQ test does not mean that they are stupid.

[@a.brekkan4965]

One important point is that there is a strong correlation between children`s IQ scores and their socio-economical success later in life. (Many sociologists hate this truth). Which suggests that there is an important link between what you call the IQ games and the game of life. Also, what tests do you have that can be run on children and that is better at predicting socio-economical outcome at a later stage in life? Btw, define stupid!

[@beyourself4996]

Exactly i can agree more... i get 70 of iQ test a few years ago because school was hard and i dindt know, how to read and write and math I don't really remember, when I got to the psychology as school afford this happened.... it makes me feel so stupid even today I can't attend any good places because no hope.

[@M.L.official]

Idk my results on aptitude tests for jobs are pretty inconsistent. Sometimes I get 80%, sometimes 60%, etc. I have no idea what that actually means, it's not like I was exposed to those types of tests beforehand either, and saying i guessed correctly on most is wishful thinking. I really don't like the idea that a 20 minute test can determine whether or not you are able to excel or be competent in a complicated work environment. PLus what if you aren't feeling well on a particular day the test occurs? It can definitely affect your ability to focus or concentrate, thereby ruining your score. Of coruse there are probably metrics where they give a +/- 10% leeway any time you do a test to compensate for it, but I don't know. For me it depends on whether you are genuinely interested in a given field, whether the goals you are trying to achieve are in that field, whether you have existing knowledge, are your every day activities emulating certain aspects of that job, are you willing to commit 60-70 hours a week to your job even on weekends/off days, etc. Obviously possessing the ability to learn and understand and utilise software programs, grasp functionality of tools is a huge thing, and for me ive always been amazing at these things. I don't know. I think those tests that you attempt when applying for jobs have 100%, unquestionably turned down applicants who are more than suited for that position, solely on the basis that one of the got 74% and the other got 79%. Which i find absolutely ludicrous.

[@yaboiz1953]

On every iq test I have taken I’m from 110-120. I’m glad I have it. Now my mother tells me that she played a bunch of classical music for me as a kid and did some other stuff. But I got my IQ from my dad. He is a very smart man, he went from extreme poverty to making a crazy amount of money.

[@hamis490]

thats called the mozart effect your mum believes. its a famous myth that playing classical music to ur baby makes them smarter

[@matiasmuttoni9044]

This is awesome. Genetically I believe IQ can range on a scale kinda like you! Right now I’m at 100 but I dropped out of school and whether or not school or education and reading affects my IQ, when I was younger I definitely was much smarter and I’m assuming mine can genetically reach 110+. When I took it I was also diagnosed with depression and anxiety so I suppose that affected the results. Anyways, I’m thinking of retaking two years from now when I’m 20 and after I finish with school and I’m gonna see what eating well, sleeping well, and studying and reading can do to my brain.

[@michellemichelle5202]

Mine is also falls in that range, but it’s not really an exceptionally high number…. 👀 But who cares? IQ determine certain problem-solving abilities. As a psych major, I disagree that this can’t increase with being taught certain problem solving skills(unless you have an exceptionally low IQ as a result of mental retardation). Because they what IQ tests ultimately are, a test which tests your problem solving abilities.

[@dominickcharbonneau9250]

I study for computer certification exams and am in school for IT. When I was a teenager I used to think that if I was bad at something others were inherently better at it, and that was sort of a mental barrier. There are many talents people have but clearly they can't all be defined by numbers. An interesting fact is that Vincent Van Gogh didn't decide to become an artist until his late 20s. Showing that there's still a learning curve for everyone, and you're always able to find new talents. I don't like the fixed mindset that IQ tests promote. And, I really don't like Jordan Peterson's stance on them, nor do I take it seriously. IQ tests are standardized tests, like the SAT, meaning everyone takes the same test and you get a result relative to others. Also, there are technically resources to see IQ test questions, much of which are logic based before hand, meaning you can study for these tests. And, say one day you didn't eat breakfast or had a bad mood you'd be likely to score poorly. To me it makes sense that you can increase your score. I definitely at the same time think really high scores are anomalies and do signify very high intelligence

[@mrcrozbee]

Glad I've discovered you sir. Wish there were more like you in my community. Now if you'd excuse me, I have to go workout to maintain whatever's left of my IQ...

[@bcdside]

4:24 Some of Dr. Peterson’s most exacting advice on the necessity to carve out goals and how they benefit the brain!

[@nicholasheimann4629]

It is possible to increase intelligence through learning, accepting, internalizing, and living truth.

[@ben_alfred]

It depends how you define intelligence. Fluid intelligence has a strong innate component to it and learning seems to do nothing at effecting how well you can problem solve, pick up on patterns and process information. From what I’ve seen, there’s some hope if you’re below the age of 20, but above that the literature is quite disappointing. So in terms of increasing knowledge (crystallised intelligence), go for it. Though attempts at increasing raw intellect seem to remain futile. Hopefully this reply wasn’t discouraging - keep striving for self-improvement man.

[@ben_alfred]

I also just realised that this was posted 3 years ago… well in that case, i might as well ask whether your attempts at increasing intelligence feel as if they’ve worked.

[@nicholasheimann4629]

@@ben_alfred I wasn't running an experiment, just sharing some of my beliefs.

[@j7220]

There is nothing anyone can do about their I.Q. Enjoy life and have interests. He is right about conscientiousness: it's always a wise policy to admit to ourselves what we don't know.

[@STEMsecrets]

my predicted IQ is roughly 135 ; but I am sceptical because I always thought IQ was heavily correlated with mathematical ability(and I get C's in math).

[@InterestMedia101]

nope problem solving, reasoning and pattern recognition

[@nawtmyrealnamelol]

I think you're right to be skeptical. I took mensas online test and got 136, when I saw the results I insantly thought "yeah I don't think so". And then when I saw their little promo where I could to pay money to take the real to qualify me for mensa... It really seems like online tests just inflate scores to sucker people into buying from them, because if I'm in the top 1% then humanity is in big big trouble

[@ErnestPiffel]

I can respect Peterson when he sticks to his field of expertise!

[@sunnycriti9809]

I scored 126. Habits are the key to succeed in life. IQ can be changed

[@noahriordan1890]

How did you achieve this?

[@sunnycriti9809]

@@noahriordan1890 Start with reading books like the one written by Tony Buzan. There are many good writers and scientists out there who also have the same view. You also need to have discipline to do the exercises

[@kevinmarti2099]

Why do I always feel dumb when watching good old peterson?

[@kd1415]

I took the test once when i was 17, it was 110. Totally normal. Years later (22) i took it again (still only once for best result) it was 130 how surprising.

[@kd1415]

My guess is that i had to use my brain much more in that 5 years (in comparison to the 17 years before of mylife) When i was 17 life was pretty much simple, just school work, living in my parents' house. Later, moving to the metropolis for college and a full-time job (yes, full-time job while studying college) it was very despresing, everyday in life for that 5 years was unpleasant at all, thinking about work, how to score more in KPIs, how to get good grade in class, financial spending, lack of sleep, little or freetime at all,... In additional, the major motivation in my college journey was moving to the metropolis. Seeing friends, random people work hard, dealing with pressure, i told myself "if they can then so do i". The first few weeks is exhausting but i get used to it rapidly. I'm now graduating and still living here instead of moving back, there is something about this robust lifecycle in big cities makes me feel more like home.

[@osaidzaher8995]

I done two iq tests today one was free I got 152 the other I payed for and got a certificate I got 150, I'm still skeptical and I don't believe I'm that intelligent rather I just have good intellect I believed. And due to my circumstance I usually have to use my brain. I don't believe my iq is 150 at 16 that just isn't likely.

[@osaidzaher8995]

I can also realte to Ur college years even at 16

[@Kunocity]

@@osaidzaher8995 iq is a quotient so age doesn’t really matter, 150 iq at 16 means you’ll also have 150 iq at 30.

[@lunatic2178]

@@kd1415 I measured my own at 17 too I was 125. It's been 2 years since, I should check up on that too

[@DanaTaylorSudo]

I am working on an article about Reality and this gave me a few insights. Reality will be defined differently based on your IQ. The lower your IQ is, the more likely that you will accept things as fact (actual reality) that aren't based on facts at all, effectively tainting your reality.

[@SlowDancer]

I always wondered. Isn't IQ just a mesurement in the game of life? What if someone is differently intelligent, but way ahead of his time, has his value of IQ decreased since the defining parameters are not yet implemented by specialists managing IQ levels.

[@SlowDancer]

Our society is defined among other things by how we think and how we act. If IQ measures how well we are able to think and act in front of a set amount of propositions. But those propositions are finite, aren't they? They're the chosen propositions of an assemblee of intelligent and thinkful persons. But what if some guy, named Bob, understands by its own, things we are not yet capable of understanding. He could answer the IQ test in a different and "bad" way, and get a low IQ score. And only years and years later, once the IQ test got elevated to new standards of intelligence, Bob would then scores a correct IQ level. Wich let me think, intelligence is a standard of society right? Like beauty? We're intelligent only if we match the available spectrum in a given time, but idiot if we're either too late, or too ahead?

[@SlowDancer]

Belal I'm just asking a question in a place I think has smarter people, surely more than me. I'm not making statements, just wondering about a thought and exposing it to possible constructive answers.

[@Feber2001]

^^^ Interesting.

[@yvinreinvikjohannessen1543]

I think thats wrong because IQ is the mesurement of cognitive ability, not mesurement of skills required to succeed in any given game.

[@jgunner280]

Essentially what an IQ test is measuring, is your ability to perform different problem solving under different circumstances, essentially how well and accurate you can adapt to different problems and puzzles. So unless we're dividing or multiplying completely wrong, or we're screwed in how we see items on the screen, you're not going to get somebody who transcends that for their era. The closest thing might be a really terrible language based question, like "find the closest synonym to acceleration" ...that could get a tad bit more abstract or dated in the long run if the words definition or a slang comes along and changes it. That being said, IQ isn't an end-all be-all solution to figuring out if you're truly capable, and there could be a guy who's got a low score still doing some incredible stuff. ...it's just likely he's pretty slow at it, and isn't very quick to react to new problems on that path. I don't think IQ should be given a ton of credit or worth by the society, and at the end of the day it's still kind of a construct we made ourselves so it's not like nature itself is holding high IQ exclusive parties or anything. It's just nicer to know you can react and problem solve things a little bit smoother.

[@truth3137]

How to raise IQ At 1:09: No real solution. Your IQ goes down after age 20. However, you can prevent IQ declines that take place as you get older. 1:25 preventative health: exercise (anaerobic and aerobic exercises) 2:00 Conscientiousness (mainly industriousness) -set up goals you value 3:00-4:00 Develop a plan of what you would like your life to become. Break down the goal(s) into micro-processes, the micro-processes become positively causal and relational to the goals you're trying to achieve. (Copied)

[@theforgot3n1]

I respectfully disagree with the notion that Jordan is putting forth about IQ. It doesn't click in my mind that "you can't change your intelligence". It doesn't make sense. The more math you do, the more IQ tests you do, the more you train abstract visualization (reading books for example), the more you solve any type of problem, in addition to exercise, focus, motivation and other factors, *the* *smarter* *you* *become* . This has always been the case for me; a deterministic view on intelligence seems detached from reality.

[@theforgot3n1]

A Magic Man who eats normally, studies and educates him normally versus a Magic Man who is a slouch for 5 years. Can't imagine the former being the same IQ as the latter. Maybe you haven't experienced it, but a person can have great fluctuations in focus and energy in life, and IQ tests are closely connected to mathematics and visualization. You're seeing IQ tests as way too theoretical, these perfect tests that dodge all previous crystallized knowledge: they're not.

[@theforgot3n1]

I did the test for Menza - got on the 85th percentile. Just a year ago I did a test. Got right on the 50th percentile. I think you're being naive. You aren't considering the case where those five years are comparably better years, with a man making serious progress in his life and changing his life around. I can easily see flaws in testing IQ because people test people like yourself that don't know how to change themselves, and so naturally, you'll get the same IQ because there was no change in lifestyle, exercise, constant challenges and whatnot. I also think it is naive to believe that these IQ-tests are as detached from reality as you seem to think, or to disregard the importance of crystallized IQ as much as you think. When I did that IQ test just a few days ago, I couldn't get over the fact that ninety percent of those pattern-matching exercises were straight out of mathematics - this row has a sum of shapes that is three, this row increments its sticks with 1 each move, these three form a triangle with this sum, etc. It's all very similar to math, which I've grown to become pretty good at. PS: If you're not going to answer what I've written and just regurgitate some general knowledge about IQ then don't comment.

[@984francis]

Yes, but he is talking about IQ which is related to how smart you are, but does not define it. I have a modest IQ of 122 but have always been able to more than keep up with Phd colleages who were ostensibly brighter than me. In retirement (thank God, I'm bright enough to enjoy retirement) I study piano (including taking aural and performance exams that require a broad range of repertoire) to stave off mental decline. I doubt I'm capable of achieving a real Phd (engineering, science and such) but I could easily match the working performance of Phd types.

[@theforgot3n1]

With an IQ of 122 you could undoubtedly achieve a phd.

[@marshaabrady5191]

984francis 122 is not modest. It’s technically denoted as being superior and is higher than 92.9% of the population. I like Peterson’s lectures, but a lot of his lectures on IQ makes me cringe. Just because he feels someone needs an iq of 145 to “be really good at what they do”, doesn’t make your 122 iq modest. And high motivation outperforms IQ for measuring success anyways.

[@byroncascante6088]

One of my goals in life as a medicine student is to do researches about brain, and find out how to biohack it.

[@robertpirsig5011]

The titles of these Petersen videos is such click bait bullshit. He basically says in the first 10 seconds that there is no evidence that one can increase their IQ, But does'nt explore the question any further and gives no feelings or ideas on the question himself. Case closed......Then he gos on for the next 6 mins discussing the different traits as predictors of success and longevity. Practically nothing about increasing IQ, which is a rich topic that has some interesting purposals. Not a criticism of Petersen But of his rabid fanboys who don't actually listen to a word he says.

[@vincentrodriguez3420]

Yeah, those misleading titles are annoying as fuck.

[@hamzaouadfi7780]

exactly man!!!!! i just wrote commented the same thing on another video! and this is stopping me from sharing those clips, bcs they made them look so shallow with those one dimentional titles!

[@jimbobthedog]

I agree that the video titles are clickbait. Most YT videos are these days. But I don't mind. For me, I'm just happy listening to JP. The things he says are almost always coherent and broken down into simple enough concepts that the common lamen can understand. I appreciate this, and thus don't mind when a video says he will be talking about one thing, and then he talks about another.

[@leniepenie3419]

Welcome to the internet

[@aqynbc]

You seem to suggest that Petersen does not explore further the IQ field (increasing it) and that his knowledge of it is just the first 10 seconds. In this video he does not because the video or this extract of one of his classes was definitely NOT about this. However, the guy who posted this video wanted you to believe it with this erroneous title! Jordan Peterson has classes where he goes deeply into why it is difficult to increase your IQ.

[@Working_Man]

Over the years IO learned few thing. Agree with people. They hate to look stupid if they do not know. Do not complain, no one like it. Keep your intrusive thought to your self and evaluate before you do anything. I recommend to agree or walk away. It will make your life easier. Not happier but easier. Hide from idiots. You cannot win. IQ is only good to know to know who you talking to and what level you need to talk on. I would say from life experience about 80% people are on 5 grade level.

[@ANT18621]

I can say from strong personal experience/research that increasing your I.Q is yes very possible.

[@mindhunter8772]

I'm sorry to say, you're researching crap!

[@ANT18621]

Fred Rick Then you’re friggin clueless. You have no idea.

[@shiskeyoffles]

He did mention this in the beginning of the video.. He said practice in one kind of problem makes you proficient and improves your skill in similar problems. This means taking IQ tests multiple times would see improvement since you are being accustomed to these tests. But this does not make you any better in a completely different field. So the 'innate' intelligence is 'fixed' in a way, at least as far as Peterson and his counterparts are concerned. Despite what he said, I personally still believe it is possible to increase IQ. Since human brain is highly plastic. In any case how would you know without trying first?

[@ANT18621]

Sherlock Holmes Good point, and I have tried it. There is actually a lot of info out there on how to increase your I.Q. I agree just taking I.Q tests over & over again to get a slightly higher score is not an indication. However, most people “know” their minds like they know their bodies. After exercising for awhile you can easily feel that your in better shape. The same with the brain, after a certain amount of nutrition & brain training you can easily feel your mental performance increase. As far as actual intelligence you should cross check yourself in many fields of use, an actual I.Q test can wait until later, first check yourself in speech, mathematics, creativity, problem solving, and spatial intelligence. Once you notice those fields of intelligence increasing you know you are causing a positive effect of mental enhancement. As far as the how I can explain that too.

[@alexrusa1033]

@He-Man me Wrong

[@Belfreyite]

Intelligence seems to be directly connected to attention span and memory and indirectly to self worth. I have terrible trouble attending to facts and data, My mind wanders constantly and thwarts any attempt at concentration as though I had a subconscious other half, hell bent on hampering progress. Most if not all these intrusions are based on fear, irrationality, paranoia and self doubt. This seems to suggest that a secure and loving start to our lives is paramount if we are to achieve maximum potential as humans.

[@HimeBaezChan]

Before going to college my IQ was 139 and now that I finished med school I feel I was smarter back then u.u

[@LivingDead53]

I love to learn and hate to forget. Forget me not, and I am forgotten by myself. I've learned the limit of my intelligence at school. I read through some of their papers and was amazed by what their minds could think of, how concise and orderly. My mind is much more vague and simple. I'm not a happy camper about that. I do tend to remember things, once I get them into m memory, more than a regular person. It doesn't do me any good, however. I just do well on that part of the IQ test. I don't stay straight either.

[@LysanderLH]

Aged 10 my IQ was measured in school as being around 9%. Around age 14 it was measured in school as 13%. The problem, in my estimation, was with how the questions were being asked, by whom and also with the environment in which they were being asked. Many years have passed since those death sentences were passed over me and my life should have been, as it was predicted to be, nothing short of turmoil. But that’s not my point. My point is that despite all of this academic bluster of measuring and assessing, not one single person either within the educational system or in any of the companies for which I have worked, detected a blaringly obvious issue; I have discalculia and always have had. If you had been presented with my IQ scores, you too might well have derived the same conclusions and as seems to be the way of things, in my case at least, economic constraints might well have prevented you from investigating things further until a satisfactory answer had been achieved. Now ask yourself this, from what you’ve just read about me, do I present myself as a complete buffoon who is incapable of reasoned thought and who will never achieve anything? It is one thing to produce academically qualified people who can climb ladders because of the way they are tested and measured and quite another to deem anyone incapable of doing any of that, with a series of dead ends until they resign themselves to a life of oblivion and passivity. If you could see my bookshelf or could ask anyone who knows me whether or not they think I hold any qualifications, you would join the ranks of those who judge without preconceived notions of what intelligence truly is. If JP ever reads this, which I think is unlikely, I would hope that he would wonder about who the outliers to the system are and what potential is dismissed off-hand due to test results. Farewell. X

[@jenchopp1779]

What the heck-

[@LysanderLH]

@@jenchopp1779 I was placed into a special ‘remedial’ class at secondary school alongside students with behavioural difficulties, basically because I was unable to hear information,absorb it and regurgitate it in exams. My brain doesn’t allow me to work that way. I need more time to formulate responses. My attention span depended on so many factors beyond my control, that lessons were generally an exhausting blur. Rather controversially, school got me nowhere! I’m 52 now and although life has not been easy due to my learning difficulties, I made it this far and like so many others, measuring my IQ is no reflection of my cognitive abilities or technical capabilities. If you have any questions, I’ll do my best to answer them for you. All the best. X

[@tylercampbell6272]

It's rather simple, if your intelligence is malleable in a negative direction then it is malleable in a positive direction. Yes, you can improve on task-specific skills but I think that's where the interpretation veers off. The simplest every day executive functioning requires many different brain skills simultaneously to produce one result. You don't make a car run better by changing the tires if the engine doesn't work.....the same can applied to the brain. I see it very similar to the muscular structure we have. If you isolate on one specific muscle or muscle group, it doesn't mean you're necessarily increasing your overall strength. It requires a full body workout to improve your overall strength.

[@stefonpalinic5559]

You cannot change IQ after you pass 24 years old. You can change IQ from twelve to 21 that can happen. This is rare and usually happens because of unnoticed brain injuries. Now I have never seen a man past 24 having a IQ change after that age.

[@stefonpalinic5559]

@Granny Norma All my friends are the same IQ levels they were in high school. I am the only person I know that had my IQ change a decent amount.

[@hamburgerdan101]

What exactly is “intelligence” how does it correlate to the “real world”. I know it measures the ability to recognize patterns which in turn could benefit you ability in maths too ,but is that it? Edit: the pattern thing could be used to measure ability in school too So math and school?

[@demoncard1180]

I like when he refers to wiping out of people, it makes everything sound gamey.

[@tanker9987]

If there were a medication or some other method that could increase IQ, would this threaten those who are in power now? If yes is the answer then don't expect to ever hear about it, let alone make it legal.

[@epicbehavior]

I agreed until he said doing nothing is easy. Most people will find that really doing nothing is incredibly hard, and instead people will try and find a way to distract themselves to avoid facing the void they feel when truly “doing nothing”.

[@pjackson8322]

Can you reverse cognitive decline back to full potential with later physical exercise at 35 vs little exercise at 20?

[@Ljosi]

No. Also if you had Covid it decreases by another 3 to 7 points since the virus significantly damages the brain

[@TheBanjoShowOfficial]

Intelligence beyond an average person means next to nothing when put at the feet of industriousness. If you’re smart, you’ve got an edge, but it sure as hell doesn’t grant you shit. If you aren’t willing to put in the effort, that average person you see as being “dull” or even “dumb”, will surpass you in greater ways than you would ever imagine.

[@mikebordeaux8218]

That’s like asking is learning possible.

[@mrnettek]

No. It's like asking, can you raise a person's born potential? That is what 'fluid' intelligence is. Increasing potential is difficult in the extreme.

[@adamdavis6227]

You clearly don’t know what IQ is.

[@thecraplordsell4575]

Adam Davis most of the questions on IQ tests are clearly things you done from school and college.

[@sharpchess724]

@@thecraplordsell4575 hey there, buddy.

[@thecraplordsell4575]

Sharp Chess ???

[@keshavjindal3294]

Determinants of lifetime success / Predictors of Performance

[@kawaichanx3]

The real question is "Can we decrease our IQ" ?

[@englishlanguageisunique.1465]

It goes as you age but real question is how to prevent it .

[@bxp_bass]

IQ measures only ability in certain tasks. Brain is flexible and you can definitely increase your abilities. When I was at school I measured something around 110-115, now, as I learn math and work as a programmer, also, have love relationships with my girlfriend and play music - I score 125-140 depending on the test. So, I've never took IQ tests seriously, so I advice to you all. It's just one metric and you definitely can learn new skills. Exercise is a very good advice by the way. Also: no drink, no smoke and play videogames from time to time. It's always very good to diversify your ways of existence.

[@JordanEdmundsEECS]

Wait, did he really just not mention the Flynn effect?

[@dmitriirwin5698]

Being yelled at and stressed out can make you more intelligent being able to think can be taught on construction jobs through adapting to stress

[@madcircle7311]

students using Macs while JPeterson uses a Windows setup

[@guillermodelatorre8592]

balance is when IQ and wisdom coexist

[@notamouse5630]

Here is a bit of interesting logic: IQ is supposed to be a measure of one's innate, inborn intelligence. Presuming there was a means of non-trivially increasing IQ, it would invalidate the means used to determine that IQ score. While this ignores the fact that an education and a stimulating environment increases one's ability to do well on most tests, that is perhaps more a matter of literacy and forming of expectations.

[@davischarleston6823]

Unfortunately, it is a rather tautological definition of 'intelligence'. Leaving out education/expertise/developed intuition, and relevant personality factors, makes the contemporary 'smart' person, essentially, someone with little more than a good short term memory.

[@RajSingh-qc6lq]

You've more or less articulated what I've been thinking for a while. So long as one is willing to adapt their mindset and lifestyle to match the one required for whatever goal they set out, it can be done incrementally. This would include a possible ideological change (given you have some construct or measure to keep yourself moral unless it isn't your goal I guess) as to better acclimate to a new metal environment. Ones ability to express themselves is what carries context, so you can never know the true potential of someone who simply hasn't developed their communication skills. The power of belief is a strong one, there is a reason people can take placebos and go into full remission from cancer by believing they received a treatment. It has something to do with your will, ability to reason, and intuition.

[@notamouse5630]

Raj Singh Communicative ability and sufficient ego and willpower to give voice to your ideas are merely a start to success. One also has to have the intelligence and skills to go with that in order to prevent a plan without execution 'bubble'. This is the stock market term on a microeconomic scale. I have a verbal IQ which is beyond the rest of my skills, but not by much. The only times I have failed was when I tried too hard to impress others. This is especially the case when others around me didn't share my combined vision and will to do and learn. Though perhaps my point of view is that of a highly creative engineering student. Since I have a background in oncology, though it is brief: The placebo effect is a result of expectation bias, not a cure for anything. If someone goes into remission from cancer from taking a placebo, they were going into remission or not progressing in their disease for some other reason. N of 1 is not proof of anything. e.g. The patient felt like hell from the stress of knowing they had only months to live. When given a placebo, they felt better with the knowledge that they were being treated. In reality, the patient was a hypochondriac with some self resolving illness. The doctor realized that the only solution to such a patient is to give them a placebo. The doctor then unintentionally let it slip that it was a placebo, giving the illusion that a placebo actually worked. That is a coincidence, but a probable one if what you said ever happened. There are a few other possibilities, such as a cancer that grows so slowly that you will die of old age before it kills you. Patient is given a placebo because they are a hypochondriac and heard the word cancer when the doctors discussed things... etc. Most ways this could have worked involved something which wasn't cancer of the lethal kind, and/or a hypochondriac patient who needed a pill.

[@1Height55]

IQ never turned out to be a definite score of you innate abilities! It's more like a continuous way to keep track of progress through the years. Your IQ score can fluctuate per year/day/hour and also per test. The original Ideas of Mr Binet (who was one of the main developers of the IQ test ad the prequel to the IQ test) make it clear that IQ is just an indication and that all surrounding factors play as much if not a way bigger role in determining learning abilities and "intelligence". From the start, IQ testing is based on pattern recognition and extrapolation, which is a skill not intelligence... -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Binet --> Binet was forthright about the limitations of his scale. He stressed the remarkable diversity of intelligence and the subsequent need to study it using qualitative, as opposed to quantitative, measures. Binet also stressed that intellectual development progressed at variable rates and could be influenced by the environment; therefore, intelligence was not based solely on genetics, was malleable rather than fixed, and could only be found in children with comparable backgrounds (Siegler, 1992).

[@gonzothegreat1317]

It would explain why subsaharan Africans have an average IQ of 85. There is a lot of illiteracy in those countries. Administering an IQ test to an illiterate person might just be bad science. The possible link between literacy and IQ might also explain the Flynn effect.

[@javi_park]

this is the best way to find meaning in life.

[@flerfsmash]

iq will be maluable once we understand DNA on a deeper level.

[@lex6709]

Activating your imagination is the key of almost ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of these. That's why reading is well approved for improving your brain power. But I more suggest to have some time for your own imagining. Everyone has their own propensity and thoughts so find your own way to feel like you fully trigger your imagination. I've found my own way and that's making one concept by combining two concepts until I feel 'Aha!' moment by that one concept. I really can feel my brain working more activate, and it does show fine results.

[@algorithm007ify]

IQ doesn't exhaustively test all of the possible intelligences... creative intelligence for instance doesn't seem to be easily measurable. Also, intelligences are often required to work together in the same time. From my limited knowledge, I don't think IQ tests actually test a person's ability to apply multiple intelligences simultaneously. For example, many engineering problems require visual-spatial and logical-mathematical intelligences to be applied at the same time in varying degree of weightings and formulations. There are probably too many combinations possible for assessment.

[@bobfake3831]

There are no types of Intelligence. Creative intelligence as u call it is simply creativity. logical-mathematical intelligence is simply put logic.

[@yeayeanahyea4150]

Sometimes I wonder if the smartest people are the ones enjoying their lives and living to the fullest and not the competitive ones concerned on how they measure up against everyone else.

[@peterwosny1104]

Nice video. I get the idea, that the IQ is s. th. you‘re born with, but I never quite understood the claim, that you can‘t improve it. I mean: I always saw the intelligence and the brain like a muscle. You might be a good runner or a bad, but training will make you a better runner even if you‘ll never archieve gold medals. So my thesis: (1) You‘re born with a certain IQ range. If you live a normal „job“ life, different IQ tests will measure around the same number. (2) If you have little input, you‘re IQ will be at the lower end of your range (3) If you have multiples inputs and train your brain with math, languages, books etc. you will reach the top of your range, but you won‘t be able to surpass that. (4) If you damage your brain (alcohol, bad food, no exercice) your IQ might drop beyond your lower end (5) I think, it is possible to train your IQ, because you can train the different aspects of an IQ test. So you score better. But this doesn‘t only improve your score, but also your intelligence, because that is, what intelligence is in general: your cognitive capacity to solve problems. What do you think about these 5 thesis?

[@melihtopcu97]

I tend to think the same way as you do. IQ is an indicator on how fast you can recognize patterns. Learning the abstract indicators on what levels a pattern can form itself, is a very ground level form of increasing your intelligence. Lets say you learn the pattern to flip. You might naturally be inclined to flip horizontally and vertically. But you might notice, that you can also flip across and try to incorporate that pattern into your arsenal of creative distortions. Wouldn’t that be s theoretical increase in general cognitive intelligence? It seems to be - even though it is very hard to do at such a low level. At the very least, it is possible to compensate for the lack of iq using technique. That’s my rationale.

[@yeatdagoat173]

I love your thesis. I think there is a cap you will never break in terms of your intellectual capabilities but when you pushbyour brain to its limits, by default the iq must improve imo simply because the brain is tasked to do more all the time. If ppl did iq tests all the time, I would literally not understand how over time your iq wouldn't increase. This is same with books, brain tasking games, education etc. The human body can be improved. One must simply push it to its limits and then pass on acquired traits to the kids and on and on

[@mike2986]

An 8 bit machine can be tuned, but it can't compete against a 16-bit machine. Except in a narrow problem domain. The underlining structure of the brain must be changed. Maybe by epigenetically or such.

[@yeatdagoat173]

@@mike2986 elaborate. You didn't make any sense. It sounded like random thoughts about something with nothing tying them together

[@mike2986]

@@yeatdagoat173 it maybe random, I didn't mean it to be. I spent my life in engineering. It makes sense me. The best form to discuss this is over wine and a long evening. Texting just isn't it. Sorry,... God bless.

[@c7237]

The relevant debate is how to use, challenge and understand your iq. I strongly believe, through my experience in life, that your capacity of creativity is arguably infinite. You can create what ever you want because there is no physical boundaries in this life, only structural and psychological. If you really try to challenge and understand your capacity you can create whatever you want.

[@SinerAthin]

I've noticed that I do noticeably better on IQ tests if I've done them a couple of times before, and made myself familiar with just how they work and the ideas behind them. Whereas if I throw myself cold at a type of IQ test I've never tried or seen before, I'll do worse the first time.

[@0Clewi0]

First thing to really motivate me to exercise

[@jenniferjaffa1127]

peepee poopoo

[@asparrow9876]

I get what you're saying but not once did I feel like what Peterson was saying was discouraging. Not to mention that I don't fully disagree with him often, but here I do in the way that you can increase your IQ, namely with deeper awareness, binaurals, reading, psychedelics and supplements/nootropics. After a few years I would bet my life anyone's IQ would have shot up. And that's not even the full arsenal.

[@robertpirsig5011]

I completely agree with Max Planck sentiment here. IQ is far from a be all end all which some people push. Petersen is talking from a psychologists stand point of discussing the narrow differences these traits have on peoples lives as predictors of some thing or other. Everyone is different. Just know you are smart enough to have a good life as you'll have interests and hobbies within the domain of what you can understand deeply for yourself. of course we all need to work on stuff, but don't put too much stock into changing yourself to suit demands of some bullshit mechanism in society that just wants to use you anyway(which when you think about it, is'nt very smart because your basicaly alienating yourself). You do you. Improve in ways that make you happy. The smartest thing anyone can do is to understand themselves. And you'll be a darn sight smarter when you do. Best wishes

[@truthisoutthere4422]

Max: Let's keep it honest: "Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test. He also reportedly had the highest scores on record on the math/physics graduate admission exams at Princeton." www.psychologytoday.com/blog/finding-the-next-einstein/201112/polymath-physicist-richard-feynmans-low-iq-and-finding-another

[@ChuuyaIDK]

Max Planck 😂😂😂😂😂

[@marcusaurelius8949]

Damn that was really well said, Max. Kudos to you good sir.

[@AlfredTheGreatestEver]

5:35 he's talks about determining whether something is worthwhile and I think this has some connection to responsibility and meaning. JP talks about the value of responsibility alot I'm his book and he recommends for people who can deal with it: "take every responsibility you can bare, and scale back once you've hit your limit". He claims this is a possible route to meaning (I think he's right btw) and maybe it is already defined as this but for me meaning is when everything you do is worthwhile, and if you hold yourself personally responsible for your everything in your life you'll find true meaning.

[@chunychuny1]

No

[@davecullins1606]

I think it might increase if you learn to understand more complex stuff. That's how mine has seemed to increase.

[@facepalmjesus1608]

I have an official 138 IQ (169 visual IQ) measurement but I REALLY do not believe in IQ measurements! why? the only reason I go high rates its because I practice riddles and puzzle games since my childhood. Give someone with a ''low'' IQ rate lets say 80 a series of tests for one month! I BET that in the end of the month he will score VERY HIGH! smart people or stupid people are measured or defined by real life tests and choices. And not some pseudoscientologic paper tests

[@kynanverwimp847]

No they wont, they will struggle with the most basic puzzles for their whole life, an IQ of 80 is mental retardation. >Official IQ What a meme

[@qaish4781]

how do u test your iq

[@MaazAhmed]

I came here just to find out whether or not you can increase your IQ, but what I got out of this excerpt is much more than that. Thank you for uploading this video.

[@EvilMonkey7818]

If increasing IQ is possible, we're talking insignificant amounts in a single lifetime. Over several generations it can certainly go up significantly. There are historical examples of this.

[@zcubedmusic]

I have one idea about how to increase IQ perhaps, it's something I have been thinking of for a while. So I play this game called Flash Flash Revolution, which is like Dance Dance Revolution but using a computer keyboard in most cases. For those who don't know what Dance Dance Revolution is, it's a video game where you have to step on 4 different arrows on a pad as the corresponding arrow appears on the screen to the beat of a song. I really used to love this dancing version of the game but the keyboard one is so much more portable and you can actually ramp up the speed to insane levels. The reason that I believe this could have anything at all to do with IQ is that the game is essentially a game of pattern recognition combined with fast reflexes. When you first begin the game, you will generally miss most of the arrows and feel pretty bad about your attempt, but the game is structured in such a way that failure is to be dismissed as quickly as possible so that you can either begin a new attempt on the song you had just failed or start a different song. After several years of playing this game I can tell you that I have noticed some changes in myself and these are changes that dozens of other players I have talked to have noted as well... So, the first thing would probably be super fast pattern recognition in everyday life. When you play this game for awhile you get to a point where you have to hit a series of 2 or 3 arrows at once and they constantly switch, creating a pattern over time in many cases. Identifying these patterns is a hobby of some players of the game but anyone who wants to get really good at the game learns as many as they can either through trial and error on their own, or by reading message boards etc,. When you're made to follow 1 pattern of arrows and switch rapidly to another set, and then back to the 1st or to a 3rd separate pattern of arrows, your brain can get pretty confused and you start to miss more and more arrows until you can spiral out of control and fail the song. But what happens when you are able to see all the patterns and react to them as soon as they position themselves in a way that requires you to interact with them? What if you could do it with such an ease that it seemed effortless to others, and even to yourself after a while - to the point where you crave more and more complex patterns at faster and faster speeds in order to feel satisfied. Now, obviously there are physical limitations to how fast your fingers can move and all those sorts of issues, but I believe that this approach may actually lend itself towards creating an upwards spiral of IQ development if it does indeed have an effect on IQ. The second change that I have noticed is probably partially a side effect of increased ability/speed in pattern recognition and using a game that is primarily music-driven, but in any event it is the ability to understand rhythms and polyrhythms in a new sense. Polyrhythms are quite important to this whole idea of being able to increase your IQ in my opinion, because it seems to primarily be your ability to navigate disparate ideas simultaneously in this game that affects your score the most. Anyways, I am no academic, but I think that after training in this game (among many many other things I have done in my life) I have been able to increase my intelligence to some degree. I would absolutely love to hear other opinions though because this is something I have been thinking about since mid 2013.

[@zcubedmusic]

Here is an example of what it can look like at a "master" level in the game kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6und6ippKdjaJo I think that by observing this video you can make draw your own conclusions about if this is a useful technique or not. There are two things that I tend to keep in mind when I think about this, though. First, the guy in this clip specifically (it is not me) is most likely not a traditional or classically trained musician. I only say that because the vast majority of people I play this game with and against online are highly accurate and fast, but not musically talented in their own minds. The second factor (which also ties into the first) is that all this speed and accuracy training is being done on a keyboard and has shown an improvement in typing speed and accuracy in general in the small personal studies I have done among friends and people I play online with. Anyways, I hope that this is useful to someone and if not - well most things probably aren't very useful... but the world would be pretty lame if you took most things out of it.

[@Somi-dp7eg]

you writed to long comments peopole dont have brain yo reads it

[@brandonprosper7559]

I know that (Dual N Back) has some evidence of improving working memory capacity. Has anyone had any positive experiences using this training?

[@DavidDavitkovski]

Me

[@lildissapointed1062]

For those people who think they are dumb, don't let this discourage you. During my 1st semester of Engineering I barely passed all of my classes because I had a fixed mindset. After my 2nd semester I got a 3.5 Gpa(not bad) because I actually worked hard, and had a growth mindset. I believe that if your IQ is average, you can still compete with high IQ people if you work hard and have creativity(which is different from IQ)

[@1piece473]

I have an IQ of around 135 but this makes me depressed and lowers my IQ

[@JohnDoe-iw1mz]

Dreq lol anyone can get depressed and when they do, their cognitive function decreases, so saying his mental health is "pristine" is a moot statement....

[@MrDrew2220]

I took a free online IQ test as well.

[@mrnettek]

LOL....#truth. Unless people have paid a psychologist, you haven't taken an IQ test.

[@quasimoto5656]

Eddie Jackson some universities will also give you an in test for a fee

[@mrnettek]

True, however unless it's administered by a licensed psychologist, it seems suspect to me.

[@gavinreid8351]

Over the past few decade IQ has increased. This is said to be not that people are getting cleverer than before, but that general education is better.

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

My IQ grew around 15-20 points since I was a child. I took the military IQ test.

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

@Granny Norma yeah, the GT portion is just an in test.

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

@Granny Norma I’ve also taken more formal ones, they were very similar, within a point or tep

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

@Granny Norma the GT score was a 1:1 of the IQ test if the research I did was to be believed. I can tell you I scored a 99th percentile in spite of getting at least 15% or so of the questions wrong.

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

@Granny Norma don’t remember at this point, it was in 2011. I know I’ve taken online ones and more official ones and they always came out 144+/-2. The one I took as. A child weighted organizational skills heavily, which I lacked in. So maybe it was a failure of the exam itself.

[@abdousky3745]

The fact is There's no such thing as learning to think . And no one is ever gonna teach u that .... except yourself .