Jordan Peterson on the importance of music

from the Joe Rogan experience #1769 with Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.
sorry for the bad quality but I didn't know how to download the clip form Spotify so I had to do a screen record.
#JoeRogan #JordanPeterson

[@mikkovaltonen3564]

"This is a musician's life. Everybody tells you not to do it and to get a real job. When all is said and done, and we've filled the highest high-rises and built the fastest machines, there's still going to be room for someone to tell you a story or write you a piece of music" - Hans Zimmer Music makes the world go round.

[@giuliaiglesias5018]

Well someone's taken Masterclass

[@hyuseamv8424]

Music is Needed for Humanity! Without it we are truly Lost 💕

[@sledzeppelin]

@@hyuseamv8424 Except that humanity existed for eons before music. So, what you said is simply false.

[@hyuseamv8424]

@@sledzeppelin ya got me dere

[@thiagogueiros9663]

@@sledzeppelin Bone flutes have been found dating back 50k years. Oldest sapiens fossil is around 200k. Who knows how long we've been actually making "music". And and that is just an object, how long have we've singing? Making music with hands, whistling, etc... Besides, Hyuse simply said we are lost without it, not that we did not exist prior to it. So, you're not being smart with your comment, just being a smartass.

[@wilson0213]

“It puts you directly in touch with the meaning that sustains you in life” is the best description of music I’ve heard in my entire life

[@bsdml]

It is really telling about how a guy who has come back from a kind of deep, long hell (look his recent story up for details) becomes so alive and embracing of life and the good things in it, that he can hardly keep from chocking up about it.

[@divine_architek]

Music is truly one of the most powerful things on the planet. It can evoke emotions immediately regardless of whether or not you like the content. There's always something to appreciate in every genre

[@TheTylerGeissler]

Learning about the nature of compound tones (musical tones with a harmonic series of upper partials), sympathetic resonance, the nerve fibers and intricate design of our ear canals/drums, and how all of these interact with each other is a game changer. Highly recommend 'On the Sensations of Tone.'

[@NickVS]

Wow, what a humanizing moment here from Jordan Peterson. Him choking up there you can see how much music really speaks to him. He's not only intellectually intelligent but also emotionally Aswell.

[@sledzeppelin]

Emotion should not be mistaken for insight.

[@NickVS]

@@sledzeppelin what do you mean

[@thedropshotmaster8759]

@@sledzeppelin why do u dislike him so much?

[@stephenhughes5156]

@@sledzeppelin And insight should not be mistaken for emotion. What's your point?

[@Earthad23]

@@sledzeppelin explain emotion, reduce emotion into its parts and explain it comprehensively, if you did you would understand what he’s talking about.

[@Tzalaf5731]

Dr. Peterson Is An Absolute Treasure.

[@joellukewarriorforjesusthe293]

Amen

[@kungfujones1]

I can relate to JP tearing up while describing the joy of music. I rarely ever cry due to sadness. I routinely get choked up and by emotion when confronted by overwhelming beauty. It comes on all at once and there's nothing I can do to stop it. At times it can be embarrassing, lol.

[@tysonhawk5437]

Sometimes, when JP starts to get emotional...I can't help but do the same.

[@PatriciaMcCarthyAuthor]

I never get bored listening to Dr. Peterson explain concepts thoughtfully, artfully and with such passion and insightful ability.

[@skaxman99]

Yes! Next time I listen to music I will move my bawdy.

[@mikkovaltonen3564]

As a drummer and percussionist, I like the analogy of balancing between chaos and order. When I play in a jazz orchestra, for example, I represent order by maintaining a steady swing beat while also bringing out some chaos by sudden accented ensemble hits, changes in dynamics and brief fills/solos. There's nothing better in the world than playing a smokin' tune with the right bunch of people.

[@ericr9701]

I just watched the movie “Whiplash” today easily one of my all time favorite movies now. It was so good!

[@Dedicated_.1]

As a fellow drummer, think about what we do when we go for a roll. We disrupt order and create chaos until there is a point where we restore order by succumbing to the original beat. It’s symbolic, it shows that in order, chaos can erupt but it shall pass and order remains as long as I’m in control of the sticks. All music is a deviation from order to chaos until order is then achieved. It’s what a passing chord on the piano is or a minor to major switch(depending on the theme of the song). The drum is just a deeper version of that because drum is analogous to our heartbeat. It’s the first instrument we hear. And we are aware of beat straight out of the womb as a consequence. That’s why a child will remain calm at his mother’s heartbeat. It’s truly an honour to interpret the drums.

[@sledzeppelin]

Do you agree with Peterson's assertion that "music without a pattern is noise"?

[@krinklebearcat]

As far as drummers go, watching Terry Williams (Dire Straits) is really enjoyable. I feel like he has that balance down.

[@hazardousjazzgasm129]

@@sledzeppelin Of course not, then you'd have to bite the bullet and say that through-composed music is noise

[@jdoedoenet]

Just before this segment, in the full version Jordan talks about going to a Ramones concert. Something about the fact that this man once went to see the Ramones just filled me with absolute joy...

[@sledzeppelin]

I wish he'd take a cue from them and quit taking himself so seriously. At least they were up front about being dunces.

[@David.S.]

What I love about music is it's ability to evoke nostalgia. Boards of Canada does it for me (specifically their song Farewell Fire). If I return to a song that had previously helped me through a rough time (e.g. a break-up, depression, loss of a friend, etc.), it immediately brings me back to that period in my life. I'm able to reflect, to see how far I've come, and to appreciate the memories associated with that particular song. Periodic reflection is a good thing..

[@sledzeppelin]

Yes, we all love music. Now, is music the *same thing* as "the world" as Peterson claims here?

[@DanDanOreo]

here calling for a BOC + JBP mashup

[@stephenhughes5156]

Nostalgia itself is a mysterious phenomenon. For me, nostalgia is an incredibly beautiful, yet also a very painful emotion. It simultaneously evokes a feeling of joy and gratitude- but also sorrow and longing, knowing that no matter what you can not possibly go back to those times that you are recalling. But yes, music is an incredible tool for evoking nostalgia.

[@Earthad23]

@@sledzeppelin when you look at the world what is it that you think you’re seeing? It’s patterns, I know you think you’re clever and all but you don’t understand how foolish you sound attacking him for these things.

[@jordans4597]

100% agree here although I would warn too much reflection on a specific time, event or feeling can damage you going forward.

[@GroundbreakGames]

Wow, as someone who makes a large portion of his income playing live music, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I didn't get emotional right along Dr Petersons description of hearing that song in Nashville. Wow, that was intense, sir. Thank you for sharing this.

[@sharptakes1662]

bless you. from the bards of old to the bar musciains of now, your profession is ancient and necessary. Never stop. God bless you.

[@chriskawa3323]

I totally agree. His description was a fine illumination of how and why music reaches people. His emotional reaction reveals the congruency between the ideas and his deep personal conviction. His clarity and texture of expression is a joy to take in. ❤

[@hermeticinstrumentalist6804]

I'm glad to be able to listen to Jordan Peterson. Such a good man, seeing him emotional like this is very touching.

[@sledzeppelin]

I wish he actually made sense and didn't just ramble incoherently.

[@Earthad23]

@@sledzeppelin maybe it’s possible that you don’t have the cognitive ability to comprehend what he is saying ? You have to stop identifying with the ego buddy

[@SamiShah2004]

I've been a musician for a while now and although I'm not the sort of person who likes to overthink/philosophise things that are supposed to be simple (such as music), I have to say; the way Jordan describes music as a set of patterns and relates that to his own idea of chaos and order in existence is probably one of the most insightful ways I've heard anyone talk about music. I love how he views reality in terms of abstract ideas and gains such fascinating insights through that perspective.

[@hermeticinstrumentalist6804]

It's pretty fascinating.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@Earthad23 Maybe it’s possible you don’t have the cognitive ability to see through his nonsense and he’s fooling you into thinking he’s brilliant. Ever think of that?

[@Shatamx]

This is why I have a hard time relating with people who refuse to give other genre of music a try. I love damn near every type of music humans have created. My playlist ranges from a waltz from Dmitri Shostakovich to Stevie Ray Vaughan cover of Hednrix "Little wing". Mixed with Prince, Celine, Clint Black, to Jagged Edge. Hell lately I've been hooked on Cuban classical all winter.(Alfredo Valdez!) Music really changed my life. And I hope folks give all of it a shot. Just once.

[@lxDastanxl]

lol same here bro try some Danheim or Gealdýr Nordic folk/Viking am been hook for almost 6 months !!

[@Io-Io-Io]

You need a whole lot more classical music in that list, lots to discover : Bach, Wagner (e.g. Tannhauser Ouverture), Mozart (e.g. Requiem, the magic Flute, Symphony nr. 40), Beethoven (e.g. Ode to Joy, Mondschein Sonate), Chopin (e.g. Nocturne in b flat minor) , Grieg (e.g. Peer Gynt), Debussy (e.g. Reverie), Dvorak (e.g. The New World), Smetana (the Moldau), Schubert (Symphony nr. 8) , Tschaikowsky (Nut Cracker), Prokofieff (Peter & the Wolf), Ligeti (Atmospheres), Bizet (Carmen), Verdi (the four seasons, Nabucco), Puccini (Nessun Dorma), Pachelbel (Canon in d minor), Bruckner (7. Symphony), Richard Strauss (the blue Danube), Mussorgsky (Pictures at an exhibition), Rachmaninoff (Piano Concerto nr. 2), Liszt, Paganini and on and on and on

[@adverteasing]

Shout-out to Jagged Edge!

[@imgguru1277]

I think y'all need to give Deadmau5 a try next

[@urbro2]

Is mos def on that list?

[@stephenhawking7510]

Jordan is on the edge of proximal development throughout this!! What a legend.

[@sledzeppelin]

You sound like you're in a cult.

[@stephenhughes5156]

@@sledzeppelin You sound like you don't like your life.

[@AWDTH1111]

@@stephenhughes5156 🤣 🤣 🤣 #savage

[@laurzee]

2:32 Yes! I remember feeling that deep connection and feeling of meaning when I was at both a Morrissey concert and a Depeche Mode concert - that feeling cannot be replicated outside of a concert!

[@BigBrotherMateyka]

I can attest. Music -- especially classical music -- is one of the rare catalysts that moves me in a way that seldom else can, especially in its dynamic range of passions and moods.

[@KittredgeRitter]

Where’s the full video? There’s just bits and pieces of it all over KZbin but not the whole thing? Rogans channel didn’t have it all.

[@frasermccready8238]

@@KittredgeRitter he moved over to Spotify mate (he got paid like 100 million dollars), he doesn’t post full podcast on youtube no more.

[@BigBrotherMateyka]

@@KittredgeRitter There's a full-length vid on Odysee as well. Shouldn't be too tough to find; it's gotten posted and re-posted quite a bit.

[@sadhu7191]

Rxpapi "21 questions" getse in trance

[@officialthomasjames]

Same, I love listening to soundtracks from movies and television. Amazing how these songs can channel so many different emotions.

[@timdavino9934]

i gotta show jordan some dubstep

[@alexwatson3064]

I'm a composer. Sometimes when I talk to other people or fellow musicians they seem to think we are music wizards that are inspired to create music out of nothing. It never felt that way with me. Composing music felt more like discovery followed by organization. I always felt like I was tapping into something I didn't make, and then organized it together in different ways to make something new. I didn't make the emotional response to a major chord, nor to a minor chord, nor did I create the emotional drive that follows a functional chord progression. I make use of these things, but I feel no ownership over them. That's why when people ask me about my music in some ways I am as mystified about it as they are. It often feels like when I show someone my music, I am discovering alongside them. It's an incredibly powerful experience for me, and a humbling one in a really good way.

[@Freq412]

Music is an emergent property of life. You are the shaman, the channel through which this property flows. Think about this when you compose and let it flow as freely as you can!

[@DeflatingAtheism]

As Stravinski famously said of the Rite of Spring, "I was the vessel through which it was poured."

[@GroundbreakGames]

"And the music played the band" Robert Hunter

[@a.j.4076]

The middle bit, about tapping into something you do not own... That's so well explained. It's like... accessing a data bank with all the emotions, and then choosing which emotions you want to have in your play, that better convey the message you want to bring. You don't own the emotions that the chord progressions make everyone feel. You don't even own the chords. The only thing that is You is the message that your piece conveys!

[@redwithblackstripes]

I can relate to that, sometimes i listen to queues i composed and produced when its broadcasted on tv in a show or whatever and i'm absolutely amazed how alien that music feels to me, i made 100% of the choices that led to theses tones being what they are but part of me is still wondering how in the world did i get the credit for it... Music is a lot like cooking i think, people congratulate the cook and the cook congratulate the carrots.

[@W4ng4n470r]

This is one of the most profound things I've heard. Just Philosophy, no politics. If there is one clip you show your friends to convince them that JP is a good man, this is it. Anyone who's gone through tough times be it physically or mentally can relate to this. When JP said: "music puts you directly in touch with the meaning that sustains you in life" I felt that. There was a time where I struggled to find meaning in my life and in those dark days in my head, it was Reol's music that kept me from the brink as I desperately tried to sort out my shit.

[@H_Hold]

Field Percussionist, or Drumline here. I played tuba from 6th grade through junior year of high school, sousaphone in marching band and pep band; both endeavors I enjoyed, I began to educate/thus practice percussion in the latter half of my sophomore year, by the time marching season came around for my junior year, I auditioned and took bass. Bear in mind, 5 months of practicing percussion (me) against 6+ years of percussion playing and education for the rest of the people auditioning for spots. It allowed me to learn to move with a harness/drum on with less intense sheet music for that season so it was fine. Senior year however I auditioned for tenors and made it, I proceeded to have an absolute blast, drum cadence's, cheers for the school that we played, the student section going ballistic when we'd get a tap off (a specific rhythm taught in practice to cue members of a music group onto a specified song) and all of us knowing what to do based on the notes we just heard would play in sync at the drop of a hat. That unison and cohesion is a hypnotizing thing when you bother to notice. Also playing without looking at the drums, eyes forward, another thing we practice because it looks cool 🤘

[@tommynobaka]

He described exactly how I've felt about music for years

[@BuzzaB77]

He's usually a very clinical, (clinical psychologist) measured, and calm guy and I do like how he traditionally presents his arguments on his areas of expertise, To see him get emotional on the subject of music as he describes humans in that experience transcending past what he can usually rationally quantify and explain is gloriously beautiful. And as a musician myself, 20 years in to my professional career, When some days feel like a job, hearing this instantly brings me back to the emotional truth of why I do it.

[@ihate4413]

Jordan looks very healthy!!! Hell yeah!! I'm glad he's doing good.

[@sledzeppelin]

Physically maybe. Mentally, not so much.

[@cm601_plays]

Thank you for providing the link of the whole video. I have been looking for it

[@phosphenexx3288]

As a musician, this inspired me. I get emotional like this talking about other musicians.

[@soundoflistening]

Thanks for this clip! I watched on Spotify and wanted to share it with some folks. People (esp in the US) have a closed mind about JRE and Jordan Peterson. This clip is beautiful and underscores the importance of Listening, even if you think you disagree with a person.

[@sledzeppelin]

How does this underscore the importance of listening to people you disagree with?

[@soundoflistening]

​@@sledzeppelin the content of the clip doesn't underscore listening to people you think you disagree with. I meant that this clip is probably going unheard by many people who don't agree with Rogan or Peterson.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@soundoflistening So your point is people who don't listen to Rogan and Peterson won't listen to Rogan and Peterson? Wow. I think you're really on to something there.

[@paulcosens9022]

Jordan Peterson is incredible, love this man ⭐️

[@LouisPaquette]

you took the words out of my mouth....

[@clydewmorgan]

you are easily impressed

[@sledzeppelin]

@@clydewmorgan But dude, music is layers, and the world is layers, so music is just like the world, man! Don't you see how brilliant that is, bro? /s

[@stephenhughes5156]

@@clydewmorgan you are easily envious.

[@Earthad23]

@@sledzeppelin explain the color blue to a blind person, there’s something called the hard problem of consciousness, we can’t explain the qualities of the experience of life, just admit the universe is a mystery. It’s a giant mystery and you’re arrogant.

[@candicedamelin9940]

I was thrilled to see this segment of the interview here! Thank you 🤩

[@dh9661]

Music brings us together like no other thing. We got to embrace it while we alive.

[@fatalwreck9254]

Just imagine how much more depressing and stressful the world would be if Music never existed or was discovered.

[@haitolawrence5986]

It was probably the very first comfort we had sitting around a simple fire in a terrifying world ages ago. It was a gift. But from where? 😉

[@classygary]

Creation was sung into existence.

[@a.j.4076]

This is what I think about Music: - According to String Theory, different particles are nothing but strings vibrating at different frequencies (Hz); - According to Quantum Mechanics, particles can exhibit wave-like behaviors, which can be translated to frequency (Hz); - According to General Relativity, if 2 bodies are massive enough and they collide, we should be able to detect gravitational waves, which have a frequency (Hz). Also the whole fabric of Space-Time seems to be "vibrating" (which implies, you guessed it, a frequency); A Note in Music is the air molecules vibrating at a certain frequency (Hz). A chord is a harmonic interpolation of certain frequencies (Hz). The Universe is frequency. Music is frequency. Therefore, Music is the Cosmos' universal language.

[@paxchristi1661]

In the beginning, was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the Word was GOD. John 1:1.

[@michaelhansen8959]

Great universel explanation A.J, adds very well in my first sentence of my comment.

[@a.j.4076]

@@michaelhansen8959 Yes! I'd seen that one too! Loved it to bits, especially the part where "It only can be learned and mastered and can not be cheated." So True! I usually explain that as "Music is a very demanding Mistress. But once you start paying respects to her everyday, She can be quite generous and make you feel very happy!" Edit: Brah, after reading your discussion with that person, I can safely say that, roughly, we are striding on the same cognitive plane. I'm going to bet we can talk for hours, lol.

[@michaelhansen8959]

@@a.j.4076 Thanks man. Really appreciate your complement. Mine comment was based mostly on being, but still has a foundation of logic and complexity in its honest simplicity 🙏. You substantiated that very well with your interpretation . Nice that someone notice that and share there thoughts. Be well

[@Horrortelltales]

But Every sound is frequency, not just music

[@joelyazell7380]

Seeing communication stemming from the one perspective we built on,I see music stemming from a lost heartbeat returning to one.

[@bouke7525]

thanks for the upload. Was my favourite part of the podcast.

[@yunesbb]

I know right! When I first watched it, I instantly thought "ok this is too good, people should see this"

[@xanderd2003]

I watched the podcast and screen recorded this bit immediately. The way he analyzes things is just insane and so eye opening. Nobody does this

[@mlgfrog2470]

He's a modern mystic. Not many of them left.

[@sledzeppelin]

Nobody does it because what he said doesn't make any sense. Music is patterns and the world is made of patterns so music is just like the world? Have you actually bothered to think any of this through or scrutinize it in any way? So, the world is "made of patterns". In what way? He says music also has patterns, therefore it's an analog of the world. It's just like the world. Okay, is ANYTHING with patterns also the "same as the world"? It's flowery nonsense. It's incoherent and empty. Over-simplified by many orders of magnitude.

[@mlgfrog2470]

​@@sledzeppelin Pattern is an arrangement, a particular way in which something is done according to Cambridge dictionary. Water is made out of H2O pattern. That means 2 atoms of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen comprise 1 molecule of water. Had they been arranged in a slightly different pattern e.g. H2O2 you'd get hydrogen peroxide. The space between each atom also allows for the instantiation of a particular form. The fact that the world is made out of patterns is basic chemistry and physics. If you compare music to the real world, lets say atoms are notes and space between notes (rhythm and tempo) is space between atoms and you put that together you get a pattern. It's most definitely not flowery nonsense.

[@xanderd2003]

@@sledzeppelin Music is just like the world because it is multiple patterns layered on top of one another with each layer communicating with one another. That’s practically how the world works. That probably went over your head, so that’s why you didn’t understand it. It’s not that everything that has a pattern is just like the world, it’s the fact that music has multiple layers of patterns that all communicate with each other in a synchronized manner… and then it calls you to move to it. That’s what the world does! It calls you to move to it, to play the game of life. I mean come on man he’s a psychologist - he knows what he’s saying it’s not just “flowery nonsense” as you said. He can only explain it to you, not understand it for you.

[@xanderd2003]

@@mlgfrog2470 thanks for backing me up. That’s a great way to explain it

[@Posmeallie]

Spot on, Dr. Peterson. Spot on. As a musician myself I always love the types of songs he describes that hit that balance. There are some good pop songs, but many get pretty boring for the reasons he describes. They become too predictable.

[@sledzeppelin]

Is "music with no patterns noise" as Peterson claims?

[@areez22]

@@sledzeppelin I think yes

[@sledzeppelin]

And yet, aren't patterns themselves predictable?

[@thedropshotmaster8759]

@@sledzeppelin if it never has a pattern beginning to end absolutely undeniably only if u understand what he actually means by music. Patterns directly influence mood, music does that in a harmonious way. Music without patterns only drives your emotions rampant which is chaos and can only be chaos so it sounds like noise. What music do you know of that has no pattern? I've personally never heard it, that wasn't just randomized noise

[@sledzeppelin]

@@thedropshotmaster8759 “Patterns directly influence mood” Explain. What sort of pattern? If I write down a sequence of numbers that increase by two each time, how does the At affect my mood?

[@KJ4663]

Dude I can die a happy man if I could see him vibe to anything

[@YoungMommy14]

I'm not quite sure why, but I'm almost positive that Jordan Peterson screams with excitement every time 'Come in Eileen' comes on the radio.

[@DeflatingAtheism]

Getting all those musicians to flawlessly execute that accelerando at the end is quite a musical feat!

[@alinour5345]

Jordan Peterson has an unbelievable talent in articulation, the man knows how to express his thoughts vividly. Not many can do that

[@sledzeppelin]

He is incoherent. He just has pretty sounding incoherence.

[@gubberfuck]

he is a fraud

[@suckmyduck7029]

What he does is overcomplicate pretty simple concepts with big words and unnecessarily long sentences. His vocabulary is really good, but he isn't a good speaker at all, a good speaker can simplify a concept down into easily digestible pieces of information, Jordan Peterson word salads the absolute hell out of his speeches.

[@SiniRawrz]

@@suckmyduck7029 He speaks as if he's writing an essay. It's a very odd stylistic choice of speech that always seems kind of out of place outside of academia. I don't think he's an overall bad speaker. Bad speaking to me is being unclear or constantly contradicting yourself. I just think he never figured out how to condense his ideas or to adapt to different audiences.

[@suckmyduck7029]

@@SiniRawrz Maybe you could say that his way of speaking is beautiful or something, but I would assume that the function of his speech is to illustrate and argue his points effectively, which I don't think he does at all, if anything I think he uses that way of speaking to hide his inconsistencies and to allow him to shy away from difficult confrontation.

[@Saunatomorrow]

100% agreed

[@adamlantos2319]

Man, I'm so happy to see him get back on his feet. Keep on man, keep on.

[@joshlicht1359]

Not always a fan of Peterson's world view....but as a musician, everything said here is spot on.

[@thedropshotmaster8759]

What's wrong with his worldview?

[@christiangadfly24]

"The music calls to you to move your body" then go into "apple bottom jeans". You could make a killer meme out of that clip.

[@jesse8804]

I love Jordan Peterson

[@elloohno1349]

This was so beautiful. I just love JP even though he constantly makes me cry 😭

[@Ninjametal]

This is the best breakdown of music I've ever seen.

[@TheHawkssong]

So powerful, what a wonderful man. The reason why its important to pay attention to the kind of music and the message you consume.

[@sledzeppelin]

What kind of music is the right kind of music?

[@POPE.]

@@sledzeppelin that’s for you to decide, nobody else.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@POPE. I’m not asking him to decide for me. He said the kind of music matters, so I want to know what the right kind of music is.

[@icecastles1432]

~ music takes away the pain of the being as well..if just for a moment ~1111` If just for a moment ~

[@n.m.2075]

Jordan’s take on, and appreciation of music is beautiful! I agree, music is life.

[@sledzeppelin]

No, he didn't say it was life. He said music was *just like* the world. Not life, the world.

[@narayan..7518]

Such an eloquent man he is, beautifully put. Music is not different from life. Once you get the techniques of playing your instrument/sing there comes a point where you can transcend this experience, a point where you stop being and simply turn int music and that's the most beautiful feeling in the world. No matter where I am, no matter how much of shit I am in, music has always protected me. It's the only thing that I truly love, I just hope that she loves me too.

[@rjreddenbaker4351]

Cool. I would say music can be learned but never mastered. I've been playing guitar professionally for over 30 years and it seems a lot like life - the longer I go after it the more I realize how little a slice of pie I'll actually experience in this breath of a life we are given. I could play every day for 500 years and still have lots to learn.

[@adikickass84]

Try this next time. Play a couple of your favorite songs through an audio spectrum visualizer or a frequency visualizer. If you're a music producer you probably have already seen this on an EQ. But watch how the sound waves move and dance as the music is playing. It's truly one of the most beautiful and fascinating things you can observe. It's almost like they are alive and dancing to the beat as they shift around. And I think that's exactly what it is. It's sound and frequencies playing in a certain way that has order and chaos to it both at the same time. It's life itself dancing and moving you to do the same.

[@sledzeppelin]

It's literally a line showing the current amplitude of the air thrust coming from the speakers. Of course it "dances" along with the music. There's nothing mystical about it. It's literally a visualization of the vibration. Here's another amazing fact of nature: the number on your tape measure "dances up and down" based on the length of the thing you're measuring. You'll observe the exact same thing on an EQ when playing horrible sounds through it, such as the sound of a slaughterhouse or sounds of bombing cities during a war. Do those lines still seem quite so alive and beautiful to you now?

[@adikickass84]

@@sledzeppelin you must be fun at parties. The problem with your "slaughterhouse" theory is that those are random sounds have no structure or pattern to them. That's what makes music music. It's a sense of rhythm and melodic geometry that we can feel intuitively. But to each their own. Everything's subjective and what I find beautiful and intriguing might seem like nothing to you. That's your perception and your opinion.

[@stephenhughes5156]

@@adikickass84 He definitely doesn't dance at parties that's for sure 😂

[@adikickass84]

@@stephenhughes5156 Yea man after all dancing at parties is just merely people synchronizing individual movements of their limbs and body parts in time with the music so as to appeal to the opposite sex. It's such a silly thing, why even bother doing it xD

[@sledzeppelin]

@@adikickass84 The line on the spectrum analyzer jumps up and down whether there’s a set time signature and defined patterns or not. All it takes is contrast. Are you still going to try to claim that line is dancing?

[@fovelactory2618]

Great video… and amazing comments thanks for the inspirationn all ya. love it who is striving for good sound

[@shadowwind18]

This is exactly how I feel driving a car on the edge through a corner. Wrestling it down into the apex and feeling the exact moment I can begin to apply throttle. Using all the grip I have to try to maintain that little bit of slip; feeling if there is more; if I've overshot a little. Its just like dancing on the edge of chaos. How close can I get to perfection that is that knifes edge between the two.

[@michaeletherington9718]

As a musician can relate to this quite a bit - James her field stated creativity is both a gift and curse and any seasoned musician can relate to these words. Any non artist can critique be cynical but only artists and musicians can relate to these words if your really listening - nice clip

[@charliebrownlives1348]

Music, good music, is logos within sound. All beauty has Logos. LOGOS is literally, beauty, truth, ultimate reality, ineffable....the archetype of the divine....

[@teddyestrada8153]

What you just said means absolutely nothing.

[@marttute3977]

Peterson just described what Rogan tries to attain on his DMT experiences, using the analogy of music. He draws parallels on the innate desire within us to experience a connection however brief with the one divine power. Something that is beyond the confines of the world and our finite minds. When we get just a second long glimpse of this divine glory, and feel the peace that waits just beyond us, it can be quite emotional

[@DeflatingAtheism]

What you describe is literally the experience of the sublime. What is entertaining satisfies our pleasures, but the sublime draws us out of ourselves.

[@LuckyBamboo2]

My harmonious union in layered patterns 🎼

[@freethinker79]

“The highest goal of music is to connect one’s soul to their Divine Nature, not entertainment” --Pythagoras "Instruction in music is a more potent operation than many others, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inner regions of the soul, with which they forcefully interconnect, imparting refinement. The soul of one appropriately educated becomes graceful." --Plato, The Commonwealth, III, 401.d

[@jamesgordon3494]

Anyone else find it hilarious that Peterson came on Rogans podcast dressed in a tuxedo 😂

[@fluffykitten517]

Lol

[@wallybingbang4350]

He went for a meal after the podcast with Rogan’s family Probably somewhere fancy 🍲 🍷

[@DeflatingAtheism]

@@wallybingbang4350 In his last podcast, Tim Dillon literally did an impression of Jordan Peterson as the waiter in a restaurant.

[@heythere6983]

Iv written music for most of my life. And I was curious to hear him and others in general describe music. Once he started talking about being predictable with also needed to be on the she of unpredictable to make it interesting , I started smiling . He really does get it. And then the interplay but emotional connection of it as he spoke, man, I wish everyone respected music like he does . Now people don’t even listen on good systems and have playlists and pop music is worse than ever and way too predictable and flat. I love to see someone be passionate about anything but about music? That’s special to me in a different way, music requires your mind to engage much more than a movie , you fill in the visuals and story yourself more with music. A good song is a fine distraction, a great song is a work of art that takes you on a mental journey and feels much longer than the minutes it is.

[@mrxrocknroll6672]

Popular Pop music is like a flat coke cola. Sure its easily drinkable by everyone but its tasteless.

[@heythere6983]

Yup. It’s like fast food , it doesn’t fill you up. Leaves you empty and hungry

[@mrxrocknroll6672]

@@heythere6983 absolutely agree!!

[@sledzeppelin]

He asserted that music without patterns isn't actually music, but noise. Do you agree?

[@pudder68]

how could you not be fascinated with this man..

[@sledzeppelin]

What I'm fascinated by is how vapid and empty his "insights" and "arguments" are, and yet so many people think he's some sort of guru. It truly is fascinating.

[@23ofSeptember]

I think JP smoked a little weed with JR before this podcast.

[@YSLRD]

Maybe. Or maybe something else. He does seem chemical.

[@Sage-nc9uq]

Jordan Peterson is a person I really look up to its good to hear he's doing fine now so happy for him and his family

[@timfranczyk3293]

“Moving your bawdy in sync with the patterns of the world.”

[@sledzeppelin]

Shut up, poast-mawdernist.

[@borregom94]

Man, I feel you.

[@kickradar3348]

peterson might go psychotic if he saw phish

[@66thedevilluis88]

Music controls your mind. So be careful what you listen to.

[@jenynz5334]

Yes, and I think in the Bible it talks about the enemy being a musician.

[@joellespring8508]

@@jenynz5334 okay what???

[@jenynz5334]

@@joellespring8508 Sorry I've been in a strange head space lately. I was referring to the belief that the devil had been in charge of music in Heaven. Ezekiel 28:13 is one of the verses that leads to that possibility. Just going along with the comment that music can be used for good or evil, especially with beats that can be used to manipulate the mind.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@jenynz5334 Put down that stupid book of ancient fever dreams, is my advice to you.

[@jenynz5334]

@@sledzeppelin Okay, thanks. I'm delving into Jung, currently.

[@evolu9660]

Beautiful description

[@TerenceMarais]

Next time someone asks you "Why should I learn to make music?", send them this video. Peterson has such a marvellous ability to articulate.

[@spamman6369]

I've found the existence of music to be the best argument for the existence of god or a greater power. Music and mathematics are the only universal languages. Music is a discovery of mankind, not an invention. It is something that touches everyone in a profound and deep way that cannot be explained. It is too perfect, too powerful, too great in potential to be summed up as some construct of man -- in my opinion.

[@sledzeppelin]

How does something being profound and touching mean a god exists? Please, show me your logical steps that you have taken in this "argument".

[@spamman6369]

@@sledzeppelin You misrepresented my point in your first sentence, ignoring my actual original comment in full. A comment section isn't a great vehicle for articulating a position, so I'll assume you didn't mean to do so. My argument (in short) is that music is too powerful a concept to be a construct of man. The mathematical undergirding, the unparalleled way that it touches our hearts, the universality of it -- to me it seems like a discovery (IE something that existed in our universe regardless of man's acknowledgement) as opposed to being an invention of man.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@spamman6369 No, sorry, you're changing what you said. You said "I've found the existence of music to be the best argument for the existence of god or a greater power". Now you're trying to claim you just stated it's not an invention of man. I'll assume this wasn't you being dishonest but was just a mistake. So, which is it: is music the best argument for god, or is music just not something that man invented?

[@spamman6369]

@@sledzeppelin I'm not going to argue with a moron who can't read. I literally said that in my first comment.

[@sledzeppelin]

@@spamman6369 Your original post says music is the best argument for god. Then in your reply to me, you ignored that first part, and said you were just saying music wasn't invented by man. This is evident for all to see. And you're trying to deny this? Grow up. Be intellectually honest, even if it's hard and inconvenient. Demonstrate how music proves the existence of a god, or admit you can't.

[@ottoswenzen6051]

I have never heard someone explain why I love music and listen to it every day in a way that I thought it was relevant. Dr. Peterson explains it in a way that I have gained another perspective and understandig of why I love music that I did not think about before and did not understand! Thanks again Dr. Peterson!

[@majuli8420]

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t.

[@getasimbe]

This might be the most Jordan Peterson clip I've ever seen. Interesting insights, wild connections, random tearing up; the only thing missing is a mention of the metaphorical substrate and/or embodiment of hierarchies.

[@ee.es00]

It's like he's trying to play into his own stereotype.

[@staatsanwaltschaftemskirch4709]

This man cries everytime he gets a chance

[@KingsandQueens-pl3qy]

Haha 😛

[@tysonhawk5437]

Music...the one evidence for God's existence that no one talks about.

[@worldofazeroth]

Yep it’s the true power of music.

[@stephenhughes5156]

And beauty in general, of which music is a prime example. But also nature. And women of course too haha.

[@sledzeppelin]

How does the existence of music prove there’s a god?

[@vividill08]

I would've loved to hear him geek on the intersection of neurology/brain activity and musical improvisation

[@whenpiratesattack]

I want my kids to understand how much I will always love them with the depth and meaning that Peterson uses to his love of essences to matter. I want my kids to know that they matter to me and when I am gone that they matter to the world.

[@23ofSeptember]

Music is noise. Noise is everything, everywhere. And so...music is nothing. Just like climate. So...move your body! WTF?

[@farbrorknark]

Look up the definition, you're wrong :) Describe reality without putting your ego in front of it. I know it's hard...

[@sledzeppelin]

No no, music is patterns and the world is patterns so music is the world. Traffic lights also have patterns and also have to communicate with the other layers, so obviously traffic lights also equal the world. Get it now? It's brilliant, you're just to [sic] dumb too [sic] understand! /s

[@keith5546]

I love Jordon Peterson and think he adds so much value to the world. But I'm sick of fanatics never willing to challenge what he says and take every single thing that comes out if his mouth as pure genius. His logic here is actually really bad. ''the world is made of objects, it's like NO, it's not, it's made of patterns". I mean, you could literally say the same in reverse "the world is made of patterns, no it's not, it's made of objects" and it's just as valid. He is actually making the objective claim that the world is NOT made of objects. What does that even mean? So, what, atoms are not objects, but patterns? He then says music is just like the world, because both music and the world are made of patterns. I mean seriously, you can do this with anything. Chess is made of patterns, so is the world, so chess is just like the world. Grandmother's quilt is made of patterns, so is the world, so grandmother's quilt is just like the world. Road markings are made of patterns, so is the world, so road marking are just like the world. It's awful logic. I'm not saying that there might not be something to what he is saying and perhaps a better way to articulate it. But Jordon is not some musician or artist that should get away with that the way they do, he is a public intellectual that makes arguments that are supposed to appeal to reason, and he should be held to that standard. That's what he expects vfrom other intellectuals. In fact, not holding him to that standard and taking everything he says as some amazing insight is disrespectful to him. And just because he says something with passion and a certain amount of ambiguity, doesn't mean it's some deep genius insight. I hate the way Jordon has been villified as a big my mainstream media for years. He adds so much value to society and his messages on personal responsibility and telling the truth etc have been so helpful for millions including me and many more in the future I'm sure. But let's not put him on a pedestal as some God who can't be challenged. Or if he says something that requires further explanation, to just always give him the benefit if the doubt and assume he's 'onto something'. That doesn't benefit dialogue in any sense and is sort of a religious/cult like mentality. Just like the crazy political correct social just nuts that he has so beautifully destroyed on many occasions.

[@maxhowlett9661]

I mostly agree. The people on either side of the JP Love/Hate camp are too much most of the time. However, I dont think that takes away from the real point he's getting at in this clip. He could have articulated better for sure, but the emotion and passion shown in this clip (plus the fact this is 3 minute excerpt of a 4 hour conversation) suggests that there is real meaning. Idk about the science stuff about the world being made of objects vs patterns, nor do I really care. However the idea of bridging chaos and order, and how music does that so well and so accessibly is worth taking on board. Unlike chess, there are no rules for listening to music. It is innate. It is simple and it is beautiful. Obviously not in terms of composition etc. But anyone can dance. As JP notes here, even birds. There's a lot of untapped beauty in these innate and simple things that I guess a lot of people overlook. It may seem obvious to you, but people sometimes need these things said before they can understand who they are and why they do what they do. JP here is just putting music in perspective the same way that he put cleaning your room into perspective.

[@involuntarilymindful4201]

It's almost impossible not to like Jordan Peterson. He's passionate; he's charismatic, and cries damn near every time he speaks on something he truly believes. The problem is that people easily become blinded by his positive qualities which ultimately leads to them taking his every word for gospel.

[@realname8362]

yeah this whole clip is just fucking bizarre lmao, he's constantly just making huge leaps of logic and saying shit that sounds meaningful but really means absolutely nothing. whole thing comes across more like a person in a manic episode than some profound philosophical take. the whole "there's patterns so music is actually connecting to the soul of reality shit" is just nonsense, even more so when he starts going on about some meaning that he never really defines at all.

[@realname8362]

@@maxhowlett9661 also as a note for this, there are no rules to enjoying chess either. there's rules for playing it, the same as most music is following rules when being composed, but you can enjoy chess however you like. JP is just saying ridiculous unfalsifiable feel good statements here, there's no real depth to it. People don't like music because of layers, there's plenty of music with only one or two layers, and ones with dozens and dozens, it makes no difference. the orchestral stuff isn't necessarily more enjoyed than a solo guitar or vocal piece, or one with just those two elements.

[@benjamintrevino325]

Someone smarter than me said it best: Jordan Peterson is the Rube Goldberg of intellectualism."

[@CVIII.]

His ability to understand and correlate information is just wow!

[@jthadcast]

totally insane, hyper imotional responses to sensory triggers, drug-addled

[@crissparts4131]

I love him he always gets so emotional

[@smellvadordali9806]

Big props to Jordan for detecting that music exists in a pattern. This is the type of deep philosophical analysis that has been lacking in the current academic landscape.

[@smellvadordali9806]

would have been even better if he started tearing up halfway through.

[@smellvadordali9806]

oh wait he did

[@joebob327]

Same, I always thought music was just random sounds

[@benjamintrevino325]

I see what you did there. 😆😆🤣 And people think he's hit on something unique. 😆😅🤣

[@sledzeppelin]

The post-modernists will try to tell you the world is made of objects. Nope! It's made of patterns. Therefore, music = the world. Because they're both patterns! See? It's BRILLIANT.

[@lawrencepope7032]

Jordan Peterson, to me, has always seemed to be a man who is so greatly overwhelmed about how much he understands the importance of humanity and existence.

[@alexb8560]

Unless you're poor. He doesnt like poor people and he doesn't understand economics.

[@stuffythriftwood4612]

I love the respect he gives to the Ramones. Punk rock is so raw, I've learned some Ramones, and other punk songs in bass the energy is incredible. Hearing music can be like sex, learning to play is like making love. Get intimate with a song and playing something you make up you all would know what I mean. I get it, and I don't call my self a musician, I just like to play.

[@cameronhone6375]

I inspire to see or connect to what J.P See's. Seems as if he's perceives the beauty of life so clearly it overwhelms him constantly. You really are the guidance this world needs Jordan. The world is blessed you choose to point people in the direction of meaning

[@sledzeppelin]

You sound like a cult member talking about their leader. Think about that. Be careful.

[@karloskarlinderstrom6943]

Why is Jordan dressed like Joe:s waiter??

[@TheBaioken]

What about music like jazz? I guess even if jazz is crazy and doesn't have those strict rules about harmonies, it can only work because it works and circles around an implied harmony, but just a bit off to make it interesting. But I'm not an expert on music.

[@FortYeah]

Jazz has strict rules about harmony too, except that it allows more rules simultenaously compare to most music.

[@conorhennell2623]

jazz is still harmonious, it just has a very different approach to it than a lot of other music

[@sledzeppelin]

That's okay, neither is Peterson! Peterson says pattern is necessary for music, or else it's not music but noise.

[@andreasbyczkowski3435]

Excellent broad analysis of music’s message. Ancients would call the satisfying mixing of order and chaos: the interplay of the gods Apollo and Dionysus. Yes, this mixture is very generally important for the human psyche beyond just in music.

[@lylerubins9159]

Music is a way of communicating a certain "thing", like an emotion or message, even without lyrics. What you intend to create and then put into music will show up in the piece of music. I am most interested with improvising entire songs on the spot. This is how I like making music: I just hit record, get in the moment and deliver an experience into my phone that others can hear.

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[@bonniecantrell3289]

I'm now able to send my kids to a great school here in LA all thanks to his expertise

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[@vibezforall99]

jp loves to hear himself talk lol

[@vibezforall99]

@Mark Sheymus lol yaaaa but it’s just music . enjoy it. keep the word salad for all the other stuff j’rgan loves to speculate about.

[@sonsofliberty9630]

I love that word salad

[@a.j.4076]

I also like to hear him talk. So that's 2 - 1 so far. xD

[@vibezforall99]

@@a.j.4076 lol that’s hot. was never keeping score? odd. word salad.

[@HamzaShams_]

Everyone loves hearing him talk because he spreads knowledge

[@GalactusOG]

Peterson was back on Rogans? Finem i will watch this one on Spotify. Will be the first one i actually watch on there.

[@sledzeppelin]

You're a hero. Inspiring.

[@LucaOll312]

luv this

[@jodu626]

he’s still not better.

[@a.j.4076]

I find him still hurting so much... and there seems to be some resentment brewing, something I've never seen on him before. I wish I could do something...

[@YSLRD]

He's tremendously better. Scars take time. Maybe forever.

[@jodu626]

@@YSLRD i don’t have spotify. only YT and i’ve seen 3 clips so far in his suit and all of them he breaks down. he shouldn’t really be doing any of this until he’s in a better place.

[@sledzeppelin]

Things he is also not: - Coherent - Insightful - Intellectually honest - Consistent

[@nigelroy1769]

This analysis doesn't apply to many genres of music. Ambient, drone, avant-garde classical, free jazz, etc.

[@sledzeppelin]

Are you telling me Jordan Peterson spoke out of his ass about something he knows nothing about?! How can this be??

[@moragmacgregor6792]

Great music makes me cry too, Jordan

[@zacko282]

Love Jordan Peterson happy to see him back