The German Problem

[@jeromelukas7223]

As a German myself I am a bit surprised that the side-effects of and aftermaths of WWI are not taken into consideration here which played a vital role in the whole story: 1) Germany was not part of the Versailles negotiations were reperations and cessions of territory were discussed therfore the peace treaty as a whole was widely viewed as a "Diktatfrieden" (dictated peace). Especially the part where Germany had to accept to be the only nation responsible for the atrocities happened felt revengeful and belittling to Germans 2) There was a common belief fueled by high ranking militaries and right wing politicians known as "Dolchstoßlegende" (Legend of the dagger blow). It said that Germany was on the verge of winning the WWI and didn't lose in battle but communists, socialists and other democrats put a knife in the back of our forces politically home which led to the defeat. The politicians and ambassadors who signed the Versailles treaty were part of this alleged conspiracy which led to the problem that the democratic system of the Weimar Republic was not accepted by a considerable part of the general society and the majority of industrials and upper class opposed democracy 3) On top of the economic crisis the winners of WWI still demanded that reperations had to be payed eventhough the nation was more or less bankrupt This is why the Weimar Republic was characterized by instabillity right from the beginning and throughout its existence.

[@ceu160193]

And because whole preparation for "revenge" was probably already in action. Involving other similarly isolated country and using negligence of inspectors to conceal whole build up of military power, as well as removing any possible opponents, that could prevent it.

[@samdavison-wall4972]

Agreed. There does seem to be quite a bit of ignorance on the part of these two as to the differences between the victors and the vanquished. I imagine the psychology of a generation of men who had not only been through the horror of WW1 but also lost would carry some heavy scars.

[@Astuga]

Nial Ferguson is a deep state shill and belongs to Chatham house. Today the get funded fe. by the Rockefeller foundation, Gates foundation, NATO, EU. It was the model and blueprint for the US Council on Foreign Relations.

[@ThomasVWorm]

So you think, this gave enough reason to us Germans to kill two thirds of all jews in Europe? Why them? German jews were fighting next to the foreigner Hitler in the German army and they both lost the war. There must have been more than only poor conditions.

[@gutsbiker]

There is so much that they just skipped over. The mistreatment of Germans by the powerful people in that time period, gave the keys of power to the new leader.

[@TiGGowich]

German perspective here: My great grandparents and partly my grandparents grew up in Nazi Germany. My grandparents and my parents then lived through the socialist hell in East Germany. You know how I know that the current situation is bad? I know, because all 3 generations continuously describe how much they feel reminded of the times that led up to these horrible regimes. This applies to the corrupt political class, to the way information is presented in the (social) media landscape. This applies to how an elitest class demands everyone agree with their views and accept their decisions. This is reflected in the way that young people have absolutely no clue about the horrors of nazi or socialist regimes. I feel devastated... I have grown up being taught to question everything and everyone all the time... but I see 90% of my peers who either refuse to think things through because it might make them uncomfortable, or they deny everything I say claiming I am some sort of conspiratorial nutjob, or in the worst case... they either just quietly go along with it, or actively support it to benefit on a personal level. I am hopeless :(

[@gerdmiller2294]

..armes Mäuschen.

[@LuzDeMariposita]

You are not hopeless. You are the hope.

[@schmingusss]

I feel the same way you do.

[@michaelmisczuk1188]

You are not hopeless. Thanks for the great insight. Got some of that stuff in the US, too. It's bad.

[@ottifantiwaalkes9289]

Do not feel hopeless. Do what you can and feel good about that. You can not change the world alone.

[@marcelroy6034]

Interesting Dr Fergusson would say that Germany had exactly the same economic conditions as any other developed country during the Great Depression… I am no historian, but it seems to me that they went through defeat in WWI, followed by a revolution, unrealistic war reparations that were calibrated at crippling the economy (compulsory coal deliveries, I.e. a key production factor), long term foreign occupation of a great part of its industrial mainland (Rhineland), a horrendous starvation in the early 20‘s, run-away inflation in the early 20‘s way before the Krach in 1929, massive unemployment somewhere in the 40 percents…. Aside from Russia, which other European country faced similar conditions at the time (and see what happened there)? I cannot see that economic conditions can be disregarded as relevant as providing the necessary terrain for the Nazi ideology to take off. I wonder what would happen in e.g. France of the US if you had over 40% long term unemployment coupled with political humiliation?

[@baassiia]

Poland. You were agressor, so nobody feel sorry for you. That's fact.

[@christopherlees1134]

Yes, the economic turmoil should not be underestimated. In general, I just don't buy the mainstream history on Nazi Germany. We're supposed to believe that the most sophisticated and educated society in the world at that time, suddenly decided to put Jews in the ovens because the Austrian Painter gave rousing speeches? And 80 million Germans were deceived like little just children - just like that? Sorry, not buying it. The victors write the history, and if Nazi Germany had won the war, the official history (as being taught by Harvard professors) would be entirely different.

[@hhschrader8067]

Thanks for this answer, it makes a lot of sense - and I find it back in my family history (being German). What was different in Germany? WWI and its deep consequences, of course! The destruction of the middle class. The complete lack of continuity. The loss of a whole value system and foundations of a culture. Did that only have negative consequences? Certainly not: it meant freedom and room for all kinds of experiments, avantgarde, progress, ideas. It also meant chaos and the destruction of "normality".

[@philiprufus4427]

One suspects The French and other European Nations were afraid of this inovative, highly intelligent,military capable nation on their borders, German Bombast in certain Quarters did not help.

[@cspace1234nz]

....at the end of the day the Germans are, well, just Germans. They were already one nil down and they just had to make it two. It's a bit like Russia trying desperately to bring about their third collapse in just over 100 years. Sometimes people just do what they do.

[@sigurdkaputnik7022]

For a historian its remarkably ignorant to ignore the effect of the defeat in WW1. The humiliation of the Versailles treaty, the reparations, the occupation of the Rhineland by the French in 1923, the dagger-in-the-back legend, the as ineffective percieved Weimar democracy - this attributed to Hitler's rise. His followers felt like he would he would give Germany their pride back.

[@marcelkamps7103]

Watch up the Sikes - Picaut Treatment. There is the Dagger in the bag. It isn't just a legend. It Was compromised and blown up by the Nazis, but there is truth in it.

[@mmajczak]

@@sigurdkaputnik7022 and do you think this is a normal for any other nation? Did Bulgaria or Ottoman Empire start the second world war becouse they lost the 1st,? Only Germany did.

[@Teukel-f7h]

You are spot on

[@mk-tp8yy]

Those are myths that Hitler used. But it doesn't explain why the German population was willing to believe these myths. An actually good statesman would have been able to resolve the aftermath of WWI diplomatically. There already were voices in the UK and USA who found them unnecessarily unfair. To go down the path to facism was not the only possible solution for this problem. Thus this is not a sufficient answer.

[@protectorh9167]

Bullshit, what about the French after 1871 Versailles, Elzas and WW1 Germany needed a humilitation but indeed they became even more agressive after that and started WW2 and today with Merkel in 2015 they again bring Europe in a downfall. I am getting pissed off by our neighbours behaviour.

[@fenriswolf-always-forward]

The reason was Versailles. You can analyse as much as you want, try to rewrite history, etc. If you take people's bread and coal, in the mud and freeze of Germany - they will rise up. My grandmother stole potatoes and coal as a 5 year old. That was her JOB.

[@gaozhi2007]

Certainly for Germans, this was a cataclysmic event, even worse than the armistice.

[@DensityMatrix1]

No mention of the Bolsheviks. No mention of the Dresden Holocaust. No mention of the ethnic cleansing of Germans postwar. No mention of the Holodomor. What drivel.

[@93Beefcake]

nice name

[@Melanie-vu2xp]

No mention of all sorts of foreign interest that tried to pull their Strings in the background to their own benefit. No mention IG Farben No mention etc.pp Why sometimes its so difficuilt for highly analytic minds to see the obvious things. Talking about Nazi instead of Kartellism which is the same as Cooperatism which is the same as Fashism! NaZi which claims to be the short form of National Socialism, shouldnt that be NaSo? . And Hitler times magazine Person of the year? Like Greta? All that comes into play, and finally you will never understand it all without taking all your curage to rethink the jewish Position. An actual wiew to gaza may help. Eugenics for example, why germany, just look at who founded those projekts, wasnt really germany, tho .... I like Joardan Peterson, he will get it sooner or later. His logic will guide him the way one day.@@DensityMatrix1

[@mikethespike7579]

"No mention of the Bolsheviks. No mention of the Dresden Holocaust. No mention of the ethnic cleansing of Germans postwar. No mention of the Holodomor." All those happened after Hitler's rise to power and have no bearing on the above video.

[@joergsi5788]

What was not mentioned in this discussion was the state that Germany was during the great depression. In a nutshell, Germany had areas which were facing local civil wars. In addition, the parties were acting like mobsters, the SPD, KPD and NSDAP Members were beating the crap out of each others, the result was the founding of "protection groups" within the parties, Reichsbanner for the SPD and SA for the NSDAP. I'm qite sure that this kind of unrest did not happen in the USA.

[@ciprianbodea7838]

Comparing and contrasts further with the US, the way the power flows in the American society, i.e. from the bottom up, as opposed to most societies in Europe, from top to the bottom, and the impossibility of the state and of the parties of the political class to disarm the population, made such a situation of local civil wars over the state's resources impossible to attain and sustain. Thugs tend to not rely on violence when they rick getting shot over it and the judiciary does not side with them.

[@Guido_XL]

Vanquished Germany after WWI was practically occupied by France and partly also by the US, for some time. In 1923, the French and Belgian army occupied the Ruhr area, when deliveries were not made in due time to France. The big inflation was allowed to happen by the Germans, in order to signal the dire circumstances of this Germany, suffering under foreign rule. When Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf" in a prison cell, he was contemplating from that background. He was not conceiving some ludicrous plan to "conquer the world" or something like that. He was thinking about ways to save Germany from its detriment. You may judge his thoughts in whatever way you deem appropriate, but he did not fantasize about anything all too megalomaniacally from that particular context. When the question nowadays is raised as how it was possible that Germans cheered for Hitler, they need to know the background conditions. It was worse than most people assume. So, no, the US did not experience something similar since the Civil War, I guess. WWI was devastating to Germany. People kept dying from starvation, even after the Armistice of 1918, because the British navy kept the Sea Blockade, isolating the German ports from trade, so as to exert force on the "negotiations" in Versailles.

[@Nuss-j4s]

Bavaria even separated for a short duration and proclaimed as a new Bolshevik far left state. I am from Germany and Bavaria is nowadays one of the most convervative states btw. There was a real fear that the far left, the Bolsheviks, would take over, which frightened the middle class and ultimately played in the hands of the far right. I guess you cannot compare the 1920s with the world we have today, it was a way bigger mess back in the day.

[@23GreyFox]

It also didn't help that powerful and rich people funded politicians to promote anti-German sentiments in the west. We also can't forget that the Jews declared war on Germany in 1932. Why did they do that? Where they the same that funded politicians like Churchill?

[@hermitcrabbot]

Also keep in mind that the Versailles Treaty required the Germans to hand over 1/3 of their produced goods to the Allies until 1966, which led in some places to starvation. The German economy could not hold up and quotas were not met. This resulted in the French sending Moroccan troops into the Ruhr to prey upon the population.. Eventually the Dawes Plan of huge loans was implemented, but when the Great Depression struck, the highly-leveraged German economy collapsed.

[@edonasol8192]

As a German, I see a paradigm shift in our society that worries me more and more: what you do or say is no longer relevant, what is more important (again) is who or what you are or which group you belong to. What amazes me above all is how confused ideologies from the USA are being adopted completely unthinkingly and uncritically and grafted onto our society, despite our different social and historical backgrounds. This trend has found its way into the German government in particular, which seems to be making more and more efforts to de-structuralise a hitherto functioning economic power for ostensibly moral but predominantly fantasised reasons.

[@TorMax9]

Yes, you see this group-thinking in the defense of the massacre of a defenseless group by political Germany today to assuage their guilt feelings about the massacre of a defenseless group carried out by their great-grandparents because the perpetrators of today's massacre are the group that their great-grandparents massacred. That's pretty sick thinking. "Never again!" should mean never again a massacre of any group of people by any group of people. Cheering on today's massacre is pretty despicable. Placing group politics above universal ethics. "Us" and "them" and the primacy of one group above another... Who cares about the terrible suffering of the Palestinians? It's all about OUR history and soothing OUR feelings and atoning for OUR sins! Pretty selfish. Pretty shortsighted. Petty immoral.

[@IamAnnahi]

But what you say is extremely important to that group, the moment you dare ask questions or disobey to their holy rules, you're an enemy, a backstabber. You have to regurgitate their values and have no personality of your own.

[@user-th6ty2ln6x]

any specifics? what are you talking about?

[@visicircle]

The globalist elites are creating cultural movements to subdue nation-states. They are colonizing the intellectual landscape within society, and convincing it's members to essentially capitulate to globalist demands without ever putting up a fight.

[@neilreynolds3858]

People never did learn how propaganda works so they still have no defenses against it. They think they do. I have a friend who admitted that she doesn't listen to anything she considers to be propaganda which is anything that doesn't fit into her already fully formed delusional model of reality. The number of mechanisms she has to stop from changing her mind is truly staggering. About half of Americans are like that and it's becoming our biggest export. Germans were just ahead of the curve. If they had been labeled as socialists by other socialists, there never would have been a war but they got the label fascist despite being socialist. History is made by trigger words.

[@anaivanka2273]

My great grand-fathers were murdered by the Bolsheviks, just for being German! They had no money or influence. They were simple workers and farmers. One was shot. The other one died in a concentration camp leaving a wife and 6 children behind. One child died of malnutrition at the age of 3. This example is one of millions. Millions of people were killed, raped and/or starved to death just for being German! No one talks about this. I live in Germany. I had History in school. We never talked about this. Everything was about Nazis and the holocaust.

[@mrkus-nc7od]

Guild culture ! Was important to the USA - no peace agreement 80 years still controlling Germany and Politics

[@ТатьянаГубина-и1и]

Not for being German, but for BEING NAZY! How many soviet people did Germans kill? 27 000 000!

[@ТатьянаГубина-и1и]

You killed much less Jews than Russians.

[@Celeste-o8o]

Chinese looking humans have always been targets by criminals. Even authorities. C'est la vie!

[@noone-kk2zs]

They can't talk about this because it would cause people to question certain narratives

[@theodorearaujo971]

With the recent testimony of the three University Presidents the German problem has become the American problem. Progressivism has a big downside.

[@fanfeck2844]

Yes, that was frightening

[@mattstewart222]

progressing to hell

[@joekey8464]

The silent majority will be more aware of the dangers of this ideology. It was painful to watch it happening.

[@adamjames1375]

​@@mattstewart222 The road to hell is paved with good intentions & "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis

[@tuckersabath2099]

I thought the most famous contemporary speaker in America was trump riffing on rednecks' perceived grievance? MAGAts are constantly deriding democracy, just like NAZIs.

[@Flynn-dy5zv]

Between 1871 en 1914, after the defeat against Prussia/Germany and having to give them Alsace-Lorraine, one of the only focus of our french politic, propaganda and education was "Get prepared, we got to have our revenge from the humiliation of 1870, we have to get back what we lost"... It's strange that they couldn't imagine that Germany would think the same thing after 1918...

[@mclovinmclovin5395]

The Allies couldn't because WW 1 was so horrific and bloody due to the industrialization of war and was not the Romantic show of Patriotism of previous wars, they thought it was the last , la der des der would say the French. Not only millions died, and millions were badly mutilated, wiping out an entire generation, but that was a messy , inglorious, crawl in the mud, get gassed kind of war. The sentiment was so Anti-war that they let the communist takeover of Russia, they let Turkey disregard the Sevres treaty for Lausanne, etc...

[@havocgr1976]

Er wasnt it a French that said that the treaty was just a ceasefire when he saw the horrendous reparations?

[@havocgr1976]

@@mclovinmclovin5395 Damn don't remind me that the Brits just walked out of Constantinople just giving it away,which was for the reason you said.

[@jonasrmb01]

*Elsass Lothringen

[@lupussignatus8131]

Why the French wanted so bad a territory that never had anything French there since France was France? It had been Gallo-Roman but never French. The current French names in Alsace-Lothringen were artificially imposed.

[@endresbielefeldt2050]

As a German i find myself to be a foreigner in my own land more and more. Perceiving this change in me as it happens and progresses sends shivers down my spine. It feels like you are not supposed to even question the standard narrative of any given topic and the ones i am wondering about are plenty. Political hypocricy, bad descisions regarding energy and migration politics, my change towards the carnivore lifestyle and this general mindset of seeing others failing as a good thing really leave me wondering if i am a bad culture fit or wether i just should give up and go down with the flow of everybody else.

[@republitarian484]

Somebody tried to stop this long ago.

[@misterchoc123]

Ist nicht böse gemeint, aber du scheinst ja alle clichés der joe rogan/jordan peterson Zuhörer zu erfüllen...

[@patrickhassing120]

Where do you live in Germany? My experience has been that countryside is still rather unchanged but cities are culturally in massive flux in Germany. I’ve heard many educated ethnic Germans are moving back to small towns from the cities. Is this something you’ve noticed?

[@guciodestroyer2432]

Believe or not - we are sure that we have much more open and democratic public debate in Poland than in Germany. But the Germans are worried about our democracy and freedoms...

[@maxgehtdnixan4913]

@@misterchoc123 Wir hamm früher die Skins zusammengeschlagen, die Landser und co. gehört hamm, weil wir die Mucke für Hirngespinste hielten. Jetzt sind LANDSER-Texte bittere Wahrheit geworden. Lass dir das mal durch den Kopf gehen.

[@karenk2409]

PhD history here. This is not my specialty, but I recently did some research on what democracies survived the interwar period and those that devolved into fascism. The common ground for the latter was their newness. All of those collapsed (including Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Japan), versus the British-derived democracies that had been around and evolved for a long time, including the United States, that overwhelmingly responded more resiliently. Germany was invented as a nation only in 1871, and even then as a Prussian top-down version of democracy (which became the model that Meiji Japan adopted). Another aspect was the strength of entrenched land-owning aristocracies which maintained power even within new democratic forms of government. Of course, it is very complex, but the Treaty of Versailles is not responsible for the rise of fascism in Spain, Germany, Italy and Japan. It simply exacerbated inherent weaknesses - add the Great Depression and WWI and you have catastrophe.

[@StephenCowley001]

The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation was a lot older than 1871.

[@tjfudakowski]

@@StephenCowley001 The Phd Karen kKis correct. Already in the 15th century the holy roman empire of the 'german ' nation...... was a dying entity. It included hundreds of feuding 'german' kingdoms --- at each other throats----. They had no shared tradition, history or structure, nor did they all share a common language which could be named as 'german' . Most significantly many of those kingdoms were at war with the the holy roman empire.

[@tranquilthoughts7233]

@@StephenCowley001 Yes, but that wasn't a unified german empire. It was a large congregation of hundreds of small territories each governed by a local noble that merely recognized the same man as their common ruler whom they swore loyalty to. Loyalty that frequently had to be coerced through bigger army diplomacy. The local nobles essentially did whatever they wanted most of the time, there was no real sense of unity between them. The only times they would really work well together was when they faced a common external enemy. And even then personal ambitions often came before loyalty.

[@StephenCowley001]

@@tranquilthoughts7233 Napoleon abolished the HRE and it was a dead letter long before that, as you explain. There are indeed authoritarian tendencies in European politics. The OP could perhaps have written "invented as a nation-state".

[@MrBfromWinD]

Yes, it is very complex. But Versailles definitely contributes to it. And the blockade of food supplies for the civilian population contributed to Versailles. I'll stop here before I talk myself into a rage. 😄

[@theblackspark2644]

3:20 I don't think it's acurate at all to say the US had an equally bad depression as Germany considering that Germany also had to deal with the fallout from the Treaty of Versaillies which had catastrophic effects on their economy. An example of this being they were banned from producing steam ships and had to revert to wind powered clipper ships. I think the difference here was that Germany was much more desperate due to their situation and would support anyone who would promise to make things better.

[@silviaquesada2499]

Perfectly put!

[@scg7092]

You nailed it! Thanks.

[@cargumdeu]

Germany was indeed stiffed by France, who insisted on their reparations while British and Americans had let them off. Cue stagflation and wheelbarrows full of million mark notes to buy a candle. Horrific times 1921-23, hardly surprising a Hitler arose.

[@Orxbane]

And they supported someone that actually did make things better, much better. But of course our masters couldn't let the rest of us serfs see what happens when we shake off our shackles.

[@philipdrozd951]

Absolutely. The sheer underlying frustration of the Germans after the Treaty of Versailles was nothing compared to the glorious upswing and strengthening of identity that the Americans experienced.

[@Augustus_Imperator]

This interview excerpt perfectly encapsulates why there should be no taboo in discussions, no censorship and prohibition in studying and learning history. People have to learn, know and engage in discussions about bad ideas and ideologies exactly with the purpose of stopping them, understanding them and avoiding them to manifest at a societal level. We just can't afford the luxury to ban ideas that we don't like and get away with it. We either fight them through debate or we are condemned to see them take power again

[@EndoftheBlock7224]

We know this already unfortunately we have a Socialist type revolution going on that has used tech and agents to brainwash the young and they don't reason, they react

[@JsusCrisis]

The kind sir is right about the bolsjeviks, Albert Pike(famous 33rd degree freemason) wrote to Giuseppe Mazzini in 1871 regarding a conspiracy involving 3 world wars, that were planned in an attempt to take over the world. Pike letter was on display in British Museum Library until 1977. British Library denies the letter exists.

[@jonb4020]

Absolutely!

[@dave9547]

Petersons good friends Dave Rubin and ben sharpiro are repeatedly calling for censorship. Peterson says nothing about it. Peterson is a hypocrite.

[@somedude2433]

I’m afraid the current leadership of the world is not interested in that. So it won’t happen and if it does will be marginalized or even censored at every opportunity

[@TheTraderGuy]

The thing he didn't bring up is that Germany was paying horrible fees for WW1 during the depression as well. Germany really DID have it worse than a lot of places.

[@2MinuteHockey]

Thats what happens when you escalate a World War due to culturally supremacy

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@2MinuteHockey]

no more than Hitler's Obersalzberg speech to happy genociding Germans was @@AllOtherNamesUsed

[@randomnobodovsky3692]

" Germany was paying horrible fees for WW1" - the things is, they pretty much didn't (yet being wronged due to them was NSDAP's main propaganda point)

[@reimer0015]

He left out the part where Zionists were pushing prostitution and gender reassignment surgeries while attacking Germans through the media and tax, wait, that’s happening now.

[@ဝံလှံ]

I am already looking forward to Mr Peterson's discussion of "the Anglo-Saxon problem".

[@sauermaischeyahoo7834]

Dr. Peterson's.

[@TheDocLamkin]

@@sauermaischeyahoo7834 What about the problem with judaism?

[@bendrixbailey1430]

Because…there is not a fundamental problem with Western values, and if you are using Anglo-Saxon to disguise your bias agains white skin, then you are simply a racist.

[@KJ-md2wj]

The Brits always wanted a balance of power in Europe and ensured that no state got too dominant and become a possible threat to GB.

[@ဝံလှံ]

@@KJ-md2wj Exactly. All states equal. But above all those equals: the British herrenmenschen.

[@joemac84]

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” - Paul (Ephesians 6:12)

[@JoshuaBortnick]

Germany was wrestling against the iluminati

[@AdamBomber-h1d]

Preech

[@balticdubai950]

@@JoshuaBortnick still is........

[@kevinjooss9348]

The situation of Germany and US economically was also different. The reparations Germany had to pay for WWI were simply impossible. So, even though both countries suffered from depression, Germany was hit significantly harder. That, in combination with the shame associated withthe results and fillowing treatment of WWI were certainly fuel for what happened later....

[@SwitchTalkChannel]

Indeed, but that begs the question: why the shame, and why in that form? Also, what they had to pay was actually possible long-term, post-Depression. The Depression was an issue that the King failed to help, as did the Communists (they just kept crying a lot). The Nazis really were the only ones to offer a solution, which they then gave (hence, Hitler took Germany from about zero money to trillions very rapidly). The problem is that this was coupled with the rest of Nazism and quickly turned to complete madness (circa 1937 onwards). Partly, Hitler was able to fund this through the Party donations and theft. Of course, England had major issues in the 1950s and also owed America money, yet we also didn't turn to Communism or neo-Nazism or something (though some did try, actually). This implies there are still other fundamental difference at play (though, one could say that both England and America did take many of these elements on, as noted by Operation Paperclip, right. We can also go back to the 1920s with Julian Huxley and his types, and how that led to the Nazi-like structure we had across the West, and that is the heart of the EU and UN). Well, with the new events leading to global calls for the death of the Jews... we are right back to the 1930s, aren't we. This time, you don't have any grand Depression to blame or reparations. We see millions of rich students and otherwise crying for the death of the Jews and removal of the Jewish state from Earth -- filled with 10 million souls, far more than Hitler never controlled. You actually get far greater insight into this, both past and present, if you watch Jordan's 1996 lecture out of Harvard. That course is completely about WWII from the German viewpoint, and the viewpoint of if there is another way, and what births these different ways.

[@kevinjooss9348]

@@SwitchTalkChannel those are interesting and valid points. You have a link to the lecture? The only point I disagree a bit is the part of paying off the reparations was reasonable. Even though the financial crisis happened, it is still insane to ask for 132 billion gold marks considering the GDP at the time and, in the end, it took Germany 92 years to pay it off...

[@merlinkrause]

@@kevinjooss9348 Thanks for the tip and your elaborated thoughts. I want to challenge you on your first paragraph though from my personal perspective (German historian). That the amount Germany had to pay was close to impossible is showcased by the allies always changing the amount it had to pay. So even the allies understood the sum was too high to handle and kept lowering it (see: Dawes plan 1923, Young plan 1929, Lausanne Conference 1932). Also, Hitler's economic policy was built on printing money. He planned a big war to finance for it later from the very beginning (see: Hitler's Comments at a Dinner with the Chiefs of the Army and the Navy Feb 3, 1933). His "economic miracle" thus was never a real miracle but would have led to Germany's ruin if he was not able to finance it with the spoils of a future war. The theft of Jewish property and the donations you mention would not have been sufficient. Lastly, you asked why Germans were so ashamed. It mostly had to do with the mindset of the people at the time and certain articles of the Versailles Treaty. Germans were very proud and rigid people, their mindset being closer to the Japanese during WW II than anything we encounter today. My great-grandfather was exactly like this. From their viewpoint, failure was impossible and glory had to be achieved for Germany. Now when Germany lost the war that was already a traumatizing event in itself. People were ashamed of that and didn't want to believe it (see: Stab-in-the-back myth). Also the Versailles Treaty broke with many certainties and conventions of diplomacy of earlier centuries; let me give you three examples: Germany was not allowed a seat on the table and was just forced to sign it, article 231 made Germany solely responsible for the war (which is very debatable), article 227-230 demanded Kaiser Wilhelm II to be extradited and put in front of a trial (even though the allies never pulled through with this, the German public was enraged) and the allies kept changing their own rules to make Germany lose big parts of Silesia despite the proclaimed right of self-determination of peoples and votes of the population which would have resulted in a different outcome. Since many Germans could not accept this shame, they turned to rage against their former enemies, who, in their eyes, promised a fair peace (see: Wilson's Fourteen Points) and delivered an insult. Whether or not this true does not really matter, since the people believed it to be true and it changed their way of thinking accordingly.

[@KayKlinger]

Yes, this is what I was missing in that discussion: the loss of WWI plus the unfair denigration of Germany and the Germans by the allies , the burden of the reparation payments and - not to forget - the loss of all savings by the hyperinflation 1923: all huge differences compared to other countries.

[@peterlustig4300]

​@@SwitchTalkChannelThe economic upturn after 1933 was caused not only due to the 'Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahmen', but because of the transfer of Jewish to state property, the debt relief by the previous government, a general upward trend and massive debt leading to an expected bankruptcy by 1939, 'forcing' the Invasion of Poland.

[@josefacundoabiega6146]

In Argentina, when Perón was asked about how could he lead massive group of people he just said: I didn't lead them, I just saw where they were going and started walking in front of them.

[@נעםהראל-ג5ר]

Strong Comment, this is the problem with democracies

[@sh00t01]

Excelente comentario.

[@aleks71438]

We don't know who Peron is.

[@josefacundoabiega6146]

@@aleks71438 he was an anti-communist right wing general of the XX century in Argentina. He granted benefits and rights to workers in Argentina before the revolutionary waves of the 60 and 70. When leftists wanted to do the working class revolution, the workers didn't follow because their standard of living was pretty acceptable. On the other side, he exerted control over minor and major capitalists (strong regulations and price control). He claimed his movement was "a third position" in the bipolar world of the Cold War (his moto was "we aren't yankis nor marxists, we are peronists"). His movement embraced the left and the right at the same time. His left wing policies were so significant, that nowadays Argentinians progressives (=liberal democrats) love Perón without knowing that he was a fascist that kidnapped and killed the members of the opposing political parties. Sorry for the long story, I am argentinian and I have been spending the the last 20 years trying to understand us.

[@aleks71438]

@@josefacundoabiega6146 thanks for a brief introduction to your history and politics. It wasn't too long. I have been studying politics and history on my own for many years. It is an interesting subject as I believe that all humans are motivated to "change " the world by the noble intentions. Unfortunately it is not the case that the good intentions create a better society, country or the world. I strongly disagree with the leftists in the West because I think all they do is virtue signaling, there is no humanity there at all.

[@JUAN_OLIVIER]

There never was a German problem; there was a French and British Imperialist problem. These 2 started both world wars because they did not like Germany rising as competition to their imperialist empires. In WW1 they thought destroying Germany would get rid of Germany. When that did not work they started another world war but this time in addition to destroying Germany they also aimed to destroy the German nations mindset. This is why we still have all this allied imperialist war propaganda of axis bad and allies good. WW2 is an excellent example of how history is written by the winners.

[@achimschmidt5888]

It is interesting when Anglo-Saxons discuss Germany. The cultural and historical background is very different from that of Germany, which makes it not easy to get to the actual reasons for the catastrophe. Many aspects have already been added in the comments, mostly by Germans, which says a lot about my compatriots. I'm excited to hear what historians will report about the catastrophe we're currently sliding into. However, Germany's role in this will be manageable.

[@AltIng9154]

The Anglo-Saxons have the idea Hitler told the German people. " Dear German People, I want to kill all Jews!" 1933. And 99% of the Germans voted him to do so.

[@claudiaquensel1652]

The victors write the history books. In West Germany the Americans and in East Germany the Russians after WWII. This is one reason why Russian propaganda of their current expansionism finds receptive grounds in the east.

[@aleks71438]

The "experts" are always smart in the hindsight.

[@davidlynch9049]

Since they killed the Hitler death cult and rebuilt Germany, their perspective is paramount.

[@Dartagnan88]

Manageable? Deutschland ist mit den USA die Führungsmacht die diese kommende Katastrophe, ein Zusammenbruch westlicher Zivilisation, vorantreibt. Ukraine, Israel, Wokism, Zerstörung der industriellen Basis und Zerstörung der Mittelschicht, Verrat an der eigenen Jahrtausende alten Identität und Tradition, Masseninvasion aus der dritten Welt, Verrat an der Arbeiterklasse, etc…

[@RealChrisFischer]

"History is written by the winners." ^Few people understand the full ramifications of this.

[@WeeedyMcMeth]

This is true. That is why it is important to read the “loser’s” point of view if you want a real understanding of a situation

[@wobblybobengland]

@@WeeedyMcMeth And with Hitler dead, the only people there to write the loser's view were the Generals who incorrectly stated that the siege of Stalingrad was a vanity project.

[@tonykennedy1615]

The Germans do. Lol.

[@theblackspark2644]

Right, really good example of this is how the Allies are depicted as the good guys and the Axies the bad guys.

[@whatamerde]

Yeah. Somehow, WWII was the first war in the history of mankind where the victor was a selfless benefactor of the vanquished. You have to forget that we are humans to believe that (hi)story.

[@hanspeterqwe6620]

My village had some one, who gathered old stories of local people. In one of the stories the people talk about the time leading up to Hitler: It was either the Swastika or hammer & sickle. People didnt see any other political choice. And in an exhibition in Munich, I saw people who resisted the Nazi movement, mainly communists. There were also photos, where the Nazis held protests against communism. It appears, if you were anti communist, you didnt have much of a choice, but vote radical. The parallels to todays world shocked me deeply.

[@TheUberAlec]

Which makes the quip about the Death of God and the Bolsheviks pointless. There was an ideological war going on between fascism and communists.

[@dieSpinnt]

"It appears ..." that you are completely uneducated on the matter and know nothing about the political spectrum of the Weimarer Republik. (One look at a schoolbook from the last 60 years would show you the relevant information as a pie chart. Try Wikipedia **facepalm** ) Wie kann man nur so einen Blödsinn wie du labern! "Proteste" ... aber sicher du Dummschwätzer. Das waren bewaffnete Scharmützel zwischen ehemaligen und verwahrlosten, von der Gesellschaft aufgegebenen Militärangehörigen. Wenn man das nicht erwähnt und anstatt dessen die Machenschaften der SA wie "Protestler" darstellt, dann hat man garantiert nicht mehr alle Tassen im Schrank!

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@unnikrishnan6734]

Please don't denigrate Indian culture and civilization by confusing Hakenkreuz or a hooked Cross, a symbol of (German?) Christianity, with the Swastika of Hindu, Buddhist and Jain religions. The Swastika is squarish and not diamondish or rhombus-shaped, while the Hakenkreuz is rhombus-shaped. Also, the Swastika symbolises positivity, auspiciousness and prosperity, while Hakenkreuz stands for what, God knows! Please look up Hakenkreuz and Swastika and do a comparison.

[@dinos9607]

@@unnikrishnan6734 Well? You think you are the only ones? In Greece museums refrain from exhibiting ancient works of art because they are filled with the tetragammadion, i.e. the Greek swastika which is the exact same symbol - they do so for fear of vandalism by wacko leftists.

[@hvrtguys]

Mostly people in the past did what they were told. If they told you to go to church you went to church. You didn't socialize with people outside of your circle. If your dad was a plumber you became a plumber. You respected authority. When we look at the past we must remember that it had a mindset to it.

[@LorrisSpatterban1986]

wow that's so crazy how different it is now

[@MrBfromWinD]

They tell go for vaxx and everybody do so.

[@phyllisanngodfrey6137]

Germany suffered at the hands of the victors after they lost WWI. The punishment was calculated and deliberate. The French were especially determined to exact revenge on the German nation.

[@WakaWaka2468]

((French)

[@AvtarSinghHistory]

I would suggest partly true. I blame great domestic political instability as a primary reason why Germany went through so much economic turmoil in the lead up to their defeat & post Versailles where the French were going to hammer the German's in reparations given much of the war was fought on French soil and they suffered the most (along with Belgium)>

[@Scipionyxsam]

A very plausible yet unpopular explanation, because it is easily labeled as apologetic and seems to be a bit too mundane for the eggheads in university.

[@rodjones117]

Keynes, the leading economist of the time, studied the Versailles reparations, and concluded that they were *designed* to be impossible to comply with.

[@AvtarSinghHistory]

And yet they paid for over 16 years. Look at the weimar republic

[@danielperoverde1998]

The problem with the whole current situation is the inflationary use of the term Nazi as a general insult. If you stray even the slightest from the current samethink you are immediately branded a Nazi. The term has lost all meaning. If someone asks me on the street whether I'm a nazi I usually answer "probably in someone's eyes" We are not going to see it coming because we have people spewing unfettered hatred, but they are doing it in the name of progress so it is okay. We have people who are actively violent against others. But they are doing it in the name of progress and justice so it is okay. We have people rallying in ever shrinking tribal bubbles thinking they are working for the one just cause and that makes the means they use for their struggles okay. They don't even see that they are being manipulated. All it takes is for someone to capitalize on the whole situation, take control of a certain number of bubbles and unify them under a single war cry. World war 3 is coming but it will not be nation against nation. It will be civil war all over the place. Which is far more dangerous because those unhinged violent people will not be bound by any wartime conventions. They will wage the war that even Hitler dared not.

[@heinpereboom5521]

Very correct! It turns out again and again that you should never confuse the truth with what most people say or think. It is precisely the opinion of many that has the greatest chance of being incorrect, because everyone has heard it and virtually no one has studied the subject neutrally themselves. Most have nothing more than a prejudice, which always ends badly.

[@joesmith3590]

I have never heard Germans calling anyone Nazis or anyone in Germany or europe. That is mostly a USA thing I thought.

[@pretorious700]

Ignore the low IQ dimwits.

[@paulcastle1718]

The word has been badly devalued and especially with so many people leaving school and college without any education about WW2 or anything since , mention anything about politics and they will roll their eyes to show their complete disinterest and ignorance .

[@DrCruel]

If Left fascism is rewarded,, expect it to keep coming up over and over and over again until it isn't.

[@oldstevemurray]

As a 62 year old Englishman nearly all the history I was taught at school was 1939-45. This was very understandable as many of my teachers had served in uniform and the younger ones remember the bombings. In a conversation with a 19 year old, that works at the local shop, I had to explain WW11. He had heard of Hitler but knew nothing of Pearl Harbour and the Americans entering the war in 1941. He did not know that Italy was part of the Axis and was not aware of the part the USSR played, first as a German ally and then against the Germans, as part of the Allies. If we do not teach this, it may well happen again.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@billywayne9039]

I fear it's a bit too late.

[@siamcharm7904]

one of the greatest crimes in history was the genocide of native americans by europeans. how much have you learned about that. read blood meridian

[@jelly7310]

In America we have college students that don't even know who Hitler is. They will call you Hitler if you have conservative/Christian views, tho.

[@spring_in_paris]

And hopefully more German history will be taught than these 12 terrible years of my country.

[@alexmukets6769]

The lack of historical knowledge from those two is astonishing!!

[@floriantesto4925]

Most underrated comment here

[@duwang8499]

Anglo-Americans trying to explain continental history always ends in tragedy.

[@darbyheavey406]

@@duwang8499 Usually in a Anglo-American Invasion. The longest period of peace in Europe was enforced at the point of an American bayonet. Europeans don't want to defend themselves even when Russia invades Ukraine. Germans are like children.

[@Brutaga]

Yep totally agree. I was thinking exactly the same. This being the case how on earth can anyone answer the question? When they’ve revealed such blatant ignorance!

[@bjofficial956]

what are they missing out ? I would like to know more .

[@cdnest]

In 1919, Germany had to cede numerous territories: Northern Schleswig to Denmark, the majority of the provinces of West Prussia and Posen as well as the Upper Silesian coalfield and smaller border areas of Silesia and East Prussia to the new Polish state, the Second Republic and all colonies to the victors. In 1921 it was also decided that Germany had to pay 132 billion DM in reparations. The country and its economy were completely ruined and devastated. The USA, which only joined the First World War in 1917, took all the German patents and industrial documents they could find with them in 1918. The patent office was empty. At the end of the 1920s, the Germans hardly had any work and were starving. btw, a *quick info:* Germany didn't start World War 1, it was Austria, but since Germany was bound to Austria by a defense treaty, it was dragged into it. Over 2 million men, some of them very young, died as soldiers in the war - a war with absurd orders and people as pure "cannon fodder". In addition, 700,000 German civilians died, and countless Germans starved to death after the war.

[@germaniatv1870]

Not only that, just look how Woodrow Wilson did the German-Americans. How the USA turned a whole nation against the Germans.

[@Craig-ls6rv]

Well said. You can understand the rise of German nationalism perfectly from what you have said. To add - Pure ethnocentrism at work caused the Jews to be persecuted. This has happened throughout history and is still happening today. Petersen and Ferguson in some respects can’t see the woods from the trees.

[@randyv2425]

Sounds like the lesson is to treat your defeated foe fairly. At leat the US implemented the Marshall plan after the 2nd war - but benefitted from so many German scientists like von Braun, et al.

[@robertlipka9541]

Crocodile tears... IF Germany did not conquer these areas in the past, she would not have to cede them. Do you think returning land to peoples you stole it from is unfair? The worry is that even some Germans believe this is an injustice... BECAUSE it means WWII has not really finished, and will require a final conclusion.

[@Craig-ls6rv]

@@robertlipka9541 Don’t worry. Poland gained land after WW2. You have nothing to complain about.

[@jladdyost]

It's often forgotten how much chaos was in the streets with the Communists versus the Nazis after the fall of the Weimar Republic. People wanted a return to normality. Hitler provided "law and order" and scapegoats for the loss of the Great War.

[@platoscavealum902]

🇺🇸 10:16 …Currently, Trump presents himself as the only "savior" capable of "saving" the USA. Many people believe him.

[@cargumdeu]

After the French marched in and seized the coal and steel area, the economy died in hyper stag-flation, people pawning their silver to buy bread. You'd sit down for a coffee and it was 100 million marks, by the time you paid it was 500 million. Photos of people with wheelbarrows full of money...capital flight was the problem (Keynes learned from this). Rich city Jews were smart enough to convert their money, and there was some resentment, seeds for Hitler to develop.

[@Orxbane]

And by 'scapegoats' you mean the folks that actually were responsible for losing the war, and for all the problems in Weimar as well.

[@lucianaromulus1408]

​@@Orxbane👏👌

[@Sam-es2gf]

​@@Orxbanethe average J was no more responsible for their leaders actions than we are for ours.

[@saturnfivehynrgrc581]

Such a breath of fresh air listening to intelligent people.

[@Rydonattelo]

It is isn't it. I'm Scottish so in order to find and equal a Scotsman is forced to converse with the all mighty .

[@Powertuber1000]

Most don’t realize, including Peterson, that the H didn’t happen the way we were told.

[@F_JoeBiden-tu6cl]

lol… these are demagogues. No intelligence required.

[@jonb4020]

@@F_JoeBiden-tu6cl Anyone with the name you use as part of an online name immediately forfeits all right to be taken seriously. 🤣 The inane comment just doubles down on that!

[@milo8425]

And more importantly, honest and curious people

[@annetteheinisch3129]

This was a very thoughtful conversation. As some earlier commentators mentioned it was not only the depression and inflation but also the reparations and - what it is more - the feeling of unjust treatment. That was the breeding ground for this anger. And Hitler gave easy answers to it. There is one aspect which is from my point of view very often forgotten: Germany lost it elite, its ruling circles. The Kaiser had to leave and all the way society worked and grew over centuries. It is a very bad idea to destroy the ruling structure of a country; changes have to come from itself over time. Up to now Germany lacks a real elite, real leaders. This vacuum was filled with Hitler. By the way my grandfather also pointed out the importance of the importance of the charimsatic personality of Hitler. He wanted to kill him because he thought without Hitler it wouldn´t have worked so well. But the lesson really is: It can happen everywhere if some circumstances come together. Loosing the ethics is one very important aspect.

[@brianregan5053]

There seems to be no mention here about the Versailles Treaty and the sadistic catastrophe that it forced upon Deutschland. Perhaps America will have to experience the same thing.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@sssrs4172]

What about sadistic Treaty of Brest-Litovsk ?

[@andymetternich3428]

It will

[@Mercps]

Still not a complaint. Germany took alsace and made france pay outrageous debts. Do not mistaken suffering for a justification for evil, as Germany had placed harsh terms on others

[@gregorymilla9213]

Because it’s a complete myth that the Treaty of Versailles caused World War Two it had nothing to do with it

[@petejung3122]

What I miss in this discussion, is the elefant in the room about economics in Germany. Germany was due to pay reperations to Belgium and France after worldwar I. And was settled on 269 Billion Deutsche Mark, wich was more than their annual BNP. And Europe made use of these payments to pay the debts to the USA . The hyperinflation was a mix of bad economics worldwide in the 1930's and is due to this payments in Germany. That was the time Hitler rose and stopped these payments. The German people were starving, no wonder the German population stood behind Hitler, it was a matter of surviving.

[@H.D-x7d]

Completely right. What they also ignore is the centuries of french attacks on German territory that precede WW1. So being told to pay reparations to this arch enemy was even more humiliating to the German population. No wonder they wanted to stop this. It is really not that difficult to explain. Hitler or not, any other leaders who would have set these goals would have been cherished.

[@gardenjoy5223]

No, that's too simple an explanation and the video did address this briefly. There are many other countries with sometimes even starving people, who did NOT start a world war. Who did NOT become each other's worst enemy. The economics only paired with a deep desire of germans to feel important (they still have that today!) and with their overall tendency to blame others for their own mistakes (they constantly do this today!). I live in Germany for well over a decade. We are their victims. We have been seriously traumatized at least 12 times in the last 6,5 years in Westfalen. Which goes so far as suing you in court for their own mistakes! As trying to make you lose your income, based on pure slander. These are evil people! Selfish to the core of their being. Even they don't like each other, but fail to see they are part of the problem. Germans have three major character flaws: they are unrighteous, incompetent and love to abuse power. Here an example. My german foster daughter needed to apply for BaFöG (some fund of money to live of for students) for the first time. She collected all the necessary papers. She made a minor mistake on ONE paper. That caused the worker of her case to throw out ALL her work and force her to start all over again, which takes months in germany (days in other countries, where people actually serve the ones, they are supposed to serve...). My foster daughter didn't know what she was to live of! She was so afraid. And this didn't only happen to her either! Normal behavior would have been to help her correct the minor mistake and help her get the fund right away. Another example. I fell and hurt my back. Of the pain medication my legs got swollen, so I had to be hospitalized. I needed physiotherapy for my swollen legs to help them lose water more quickly. Instead they forced (!) me to learn to walk with crutches. By that time I could walk on the swollen legs again. Only my back was still badly injured. This was utter nonsense, but they earn more money with certain procedures. True story! I only tell true stories. Okay, one last one: we have a small business for which we must pay VAT. For our business it's normal to receive a down payment. In one year we were so small still, that VAT was not a thing yet. The next year, we did have to use it. You have to give them the VAT figures in a certain online form. Only thing is: it doesn't apply to our situation with down payments. There is no way to fill in the form correctly. So I called them and they don't even know how to fix it! I would be called back, but it's 11 months later and I haven't been called. They say they write all interactions down, but there is no recollection or record of my phone calls or my letters or of the phone call of my tax advisor! So they estimated what we had to pay and gave us a fine for being late on top! But They did not provide the help we needed. Not even to our tax advisor. Germans have a craving in them to reign supreme in their own little territory at work. But, since they are quite incompetent, they mess up. Then they unrighteously make You pay for their mistakes. The same seriously flawed mentality, that was in their (great) grandparents, also lives in them. They feel the need to be Important! They don't have the necessary knowledge or insight, so they botch it up. They then make You responsible for their mistakes. And when you complain... they go after you with true nazi mentality. Nothing has changed. With the right person in certain difficult circumstances, they will probably start all over again. Be warned. Beware. We are currently trying to flee from this wretched country, dissolving the business.

[@petejung3122]

@@superresistant0 That's very naive Atrocities were made constantly in our world history. But only the Nazi regime were the really bad boys. Tsssss.....

[@H.D-x7d]

Well you can squeeze tributes out of weak people but strong people will eventually revolt. And you will find that pattern also "in the world"@@superresistant0

[@BananaRama1312]

@@superresistant0 yes they have lol just because thats the worst example lmaooo

[@brettcarroll4676]

"Nationalism" was not the bad part of "National Socialism". Given that Socialists have overtaken our education system, it's not surprising that this simple fact is not broadly understood.

[@woodybear8298]

Exactly.

[@dillonfriz]

Dont you think Hitler's emphasis on the Germanic/Arian superiority as a state and race played a part in his ideology and corruption of the German people?

[@admiralsnackbar2811]

​@dillonfriz well show me a successful state that wasn't built by "us" In a way he was right on that and Haiti and Zimbabwe prove it.

[@tom5845]

Eventhough socialism was in the name, they weren't socialist.

[@ameliaannhouck2670]

Man was I surprised when I realized that England was a socialist democracy! you are socialists, did ye not realize this?? as mercy have you been screwed over by your aristocats , and kind charlie as head of the church of satan ! why be surprised, and America is not happy with England ! do not betray America but you have at your own peril !

[@joedeegan3870]

I am an American who loves Germany having spent 30 months there in the US Army.

[@tjdent7166]

Myself, two separate exchange student times. Live with a German family in Eggenstein, Germany. The father was 13 in early April 1945. Two weeks before the end of the European war, he was caught in a machine gun cross fire and his leg was severed at the knee. Yep, US troops. I am not sure whether it was a German medic or an American medic but whatever side the medic was on he did a heckuva job because my German father would’ve bled to death. And truth, like mini, I believe the treaty of Versailles at the end of the first world war was merely a time out for World War II. Our own president Wilson was pretty much against this treaty. Anyway this treaty basically bought time for the next go around. Why was my German father at age 13 trying to save Germany. No choice. Is he didn’t enter into the German service either he or his family would’ve been shot and killed or both. that’s just the way it was in many cases. I make no excuses for the German people and what they did. In my humble opinion, Germany realizes yes they can never win by a war. They can however create a new Germany and beat the business leaders of Europe. This they have done. Amazingly even though they took east Germany back with a tremendous set of economical problems, they survived.

[@walfredswanson]

I'm afraid even to point out the parallels with the American condition today. This was a wonderful discussion. When I was in college, a local movie house had the audacity to show Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will", and one of the professors was part of a movement to ban the showing (of course, in the name of "liberalism"). Even then, I knew we absolutely need to see that film and believe all contemporary film courses need to show it, not to embrace what the film ultimately supported but to understand how public rhetoric works. Public policy and social.issues today are being formed by exactly the sort of performance art Hitler mastered, and yet we are largely oblivious to the mechanisms.

[@kirkyorg7654]

can we imagine for one minute what would have happened to the world if Hitler had the internet !!!

[@skaterkraines2691]

​@@kirkyorg7654He would be ridiculed and criticized so much that he would shut down all dissent and use it as a propaganda tool. Same as Dictators do now, not wanting to name names but I can think of several countries practicing this behavior

[@marvinbone1379]

Walfred, wow. Weird that you mentioned Leni Riefenstahl....just finished reading "The Boys In The Boat" !

[@therealunicornselene]

Are you actually afraid or are you loathe to rehash the common list? We literally brought them over here, I'm pretty sure they never gave up on their dream.

[@sgordon8123]

One big protection for the US is a very strong constitution and zero ability to have referendums. Hitler used lots of referendums.

[@Andrew_L86]

I've studied a bit of WWII, mostly about combatants. My understanding of WW2 is that WW1 really wasn't over. Many soldiers returned home to Germany for "losing" the war, but they pretty much all felt betrayed by the "elite". Germany was not doing well and many soldiers had no food or homes, they were living in the streets eating rats. The population saw this unfairness and that idea of unfairness rose to the point they wanted change. The Nazi party used that and gave that underlining drive of the people for change an explained enemy (The Jews). They blamed the Jews and many people could stand on the street and see the contrast between how well the Jews were doing and those suffering. The Jews were not particular helpful of the nation's situation. However, I'd imagine things were so bad that the Jews had the view that if I try to help I'll be in the same situation as everyone else. The Treaty of Versailles added to this sense of unfairness. This unfairness and drive for change lead to Germany accepting many things we now see as terrible. However to them, it was necessary and justice. Germany did not see itself morally bankrupt. However, I do believe that much of the German population wasn't aware what they were doing to the Jews beyond rounding them up and sending them away. I'm not a Nazi apologist as I am grateful they were stopped. I just think it is important for people to realize how dangerous blame is. You get a crowd together that blames the same person/people and you let that fester or even feed it... it'll turn into an army willing to do anything to complete "justice".

[@Kamfrenchie]

When you talk about German resentment, it's important to add the "stab in the back " myth was very important to that mindset, and was pushed by Luddendorf, who had pushed for peace himself, but found the myth a good way to avoid responsability. As for Versailles, the war had damaged the entente land too much for the reparations to not be big, though they weren't crushing

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@Barlmoro]

one big thing young people did not understand is that the lived in this time the would be to 99% nazis themself. in this time we would all fall for the things the NSDAP told the people.

[@qqn4531]

@@waschberserker I am french and I completly agree with you

[@Kamfrenchie]

@@waschberserker They indeed weren't crushing, especially if you count how much damage was caused to France and Belgium for one. FYI there are still red zones in France, where the soil is both polluted and dangerous due to unexploded ordnannce and gas attack. We hardly took everything that had value. If we had, Germany wouldn't have been able to cause WW2. You can look up the amount to be actually paid and how it was to be determined. Both the UK and US wanted Germany to remain a power in europe, so they blocked terms that were too harsh. In fact, germany forced harsher terms on France in 1870 if you adjust for inflation IIRC, and that was with no damage done to german land, with the express goal to crush French economy. The reparations were calculated so that germany could pay and remain a stable country, however Germany failed to reform itself like France had done, and drunk the "stab in the back myth", thereforemaking even the idea of reparations unbearable """"that the Americans did not want to participate in the abomination that was the "Treaty of Versailles.""""" Please. There was no abomination. And the US had offered for France to accept more lenient terms on Germany, which France did, while guaranteeing they would support the league of nations, except the US pulled out of it. The Versailles treaty also helped a lot when Germany invaded the USSR, because it meant they had less trained soldiers to replace their losses. And if you find Versailles an abomination, what do you say about Brest Litovsk, and the treaty enforced in 1870 against France ?

[@pejmansehatpour7838]

The question asked is that why depression in Germany and in the US didn't result in the same outcome? The answer is elaborate but a fundamental difference is that the depression in the US was a product of failure of economic programs (self imposed), but the depression in Germany was mainly from the outside pressures on Germany to pay back it's debt to Europe that resulted from WWI (mainly) so it became a national struggle that led to a national social movement (unfortunately in its misguided form).

[@jeweetzlfpappi]

This! Thank you for pointing this out, it is a marked failure on the part of Dr. Fergusson to put Germany and the US on an equal footing. The depression hit much harder in Germany, which was severely economically weakened already by the terms of the Versailles treaty. Add to that the lingering food insecurity that had troubled the German state from the beginning of WW1, and that now turned into outright food shortages and hunger throughout society. Furthermore, the Weimar Republic became ever more dysfunctional as more and more radical splinter parties made it basically impossible for the Reichtag to effectively enact policy and govern the nation. A similar development could be seen in Austria, where Engelbert Dolfuss' Fatherland Front rose to power. But contrary to Austria, the structures of power that remained - or reaffirmed themselves - as Weimar democracy collapsed, were rooted much more in conservative militarism and virulent nationalist anti-socialist movements that had remained dormant in German society after the end of WW1, as the many Freikorps eventually disbanded into political or militia organizations. The US didn't have any of this, its a totally different story...

[@hellequingentlemanbastard9497]

When you think that Germany took 92 years to pay the Reparation Costs of 132 Billion Goldmarks, which is 2328.081 tons of Gold. Germany's Gold-reserve in 1919 was in US$ 259,546 ( US$19.95 per troy-ounce of Gold in 1919) The US's Gold-reserve was US$ 2,093,138. Is it then a wonder that Germany's Economy was buggered? Also, I read some years back that War against Germany had already been planned by an early "Round Table" in the late 1890's early 1900's during the Boer War here in South Africa, by Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Milner, Nathanial Rothschild (DeBeers Diamonds) and others...... Although official Diamonds had been found in German South West Africa/Namibia at the mouth of the Orange River only in 1908, but Gold was found in 1899. In German East Africa Gold was found near Lake Victoria and mined in 1894. I can only assume that this could've been one of the reasons they wanted War with Germany, bar the German Governments support of the Boers against the British Empire.

[@szopq]

​@@hellequingentlemanbastard9497 They paid no reparations to Poland

[@fj8264]

@@szopq Dude. It's called the "Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany" or "two plus four agreement". It was solved with - officially - giving away huge tracts of land (no pun intended) which Poland recieved (from the USSR) after WWII, worth more than any other reparation could give.

[@szopq]

@fj8264 Oh really, what do you know... Two invaders who, in collaboration, annihilated over 6mln beings, took following millions of people to Reich or Siberia by force, built conc. camps for mass extermination and executed people freely for giving a J€w a slice of bread. I can continue for ages. Yes, then one of them invaders who beat the other one, grabbed 1/3 of Poland's land only to move the inhabitant's in cattle vans to the land which you are mentioning, and which was to compensate for that one. Apart from the fact that it was much smaller in area... Who in the world asked Poland and Polish people if they wanted that deal? Whole families were forced to live in those so-called "regained lands", waiting years for the WWIII being unsure about tomorrow. Everyone was hoping it was temporary. Look at the map of Poland pre and post-war. Look at the area and make a simple comparison. Poland lost: - more terrain than it gained - lost millions of people, out of which few were mere victims of the military invasion. Most were simply m#rdered and driven away. - lost the leading elites - lost countless works of art, some never to be returned by this day. You can find them in private German collections. Over 5 years of German occupation turned into the following 50 years under Soviet occupation/control. - cities, towns - many of them, including Warsaw, burned to the ground. Imagine that two thugs attack your family, kll your brother, rpe your sister, burn your house, etc. Later, they get angry with each other, one beats the other and then the one who won tells you that now you two are friends and you will move and dwell in the beaten one's house, where you will cohabit in one of his rooms, until he is forced to leave that room, which is smaller than the one you had to leave, but allegedly better furnished. Man, that's a deal of your life, and you should be thankful to the thugs forever.

[@BarbaraMarieLouise]

Well, the problem is that the WWII was the following up of the WWI. Ihre WWI was the destruction of a whole world order. Monarchy stopped and the most horrible weapons were used in the WWI. Whereas in Germany they then first started with the „roaring 20ies“, in Austria we had the start of a civil war that was nearly active all the time till the occupation in 1938 of Austria. What a lot also don’t see: there was a big crises in jobs and the contracts in Versailles and St. Germain after the WWI were felt as very unfair. So, Hitler promised jobs and the revenge for the contracts of Versailles and St. Germain. He felt himself as a socialist, a national socialist. So, that was what most people wanted. Most just ignored or didn’t take it for serious what he said he wanted to do with Jews . They couldn’t believe he would really kill them. And as Jews are normally very supportive of each other they naturally prospered. So there was a lot of envy as well. The WWII is only understandable as a follow up of the WWI.

[@maxlee5714]

A very accurate quote by one of the most influential german poets Heinrich Heine says: "The German is like the slave who obeys his master, without chains, without a whip, by the mere word, even by a glance. The bondage is within himself, in his soul; Worse than material slavery is spiritual slavery. You have to free the Germans from within, nothing helps from the outside." As a german, I couldn't agree more.

[@hiddenwoodsben]

and the few of us who have that drive for freedom either get labeled *ists and lumped in with the idiots who confuse reactancy for love of freedom, or resign in inertia. i know i do, at least.

[@frederickluschin9709]

Erinnert mich an den Witz: Warum kann es in Deutschland keine Revolution geben? Weil es gegen das Gesetz ist!

[@ShootinShark]

Heine was a German-hating Jew.

[@GilgameschUruk]

Weißt du wo Heine das gesagt hat?

[@ziraprod6090]

and Americans are on their way... thanks to the university and democrat city slave state.

[@seanodanielsart]

In the end he literally describes the tactics used during the pandemic.

[@jmp01a24]

You are off base there. The pandemic was about a possible terminal disease. The Hitler/Trump problem is much more complex and needs to be studied outside what a democratic elected government can withstand or prevent. It's the people that gets manipulated and made into tools of oppression. First 1000 fanatics, then 1.000.000, then 50.000.000 and soon the rest will have to follow or be terminated by the majority. The buildup are spread over time. Fueled by propaganda and fear.

[@SchlomoGoldbaum]

Bullshit...

[@neo69121]

i understand what you mean but i wouldnt compate the pandemic to totalitarian regimes because during pandemic we were literally fighting the virus that could kill people in millions so all of us had to pull at the same end which meant staying at home and avoid any mass gatherings

[@James-ty9zr]

​@@neo69121no we weren't, and no one cares what you think.

[@justsayn2075]

My issue with your understanding of the pandemic is clearly influenced by the misinformation provided by persons such as Dr Fauci. The average age of the persons who died from COVID was nearly 80 years. Young healthy people were at little risk of death and healthy children at no risk. Yet, the government instituted rules that terrified communities, especially the children. I believe the root of pandemic regulations was power of the government to control people.@@neo69121

[@sullacicero2610]

Germany had its nose punched. USA didn’t. It’s hard for Americans to understand Europe from the 15th Century onwards. Nobody talks of the Ottoman Empire, if you want to talk about slavery.

[@ruling528]

Or the Mongels!

[@viktor4840]

Hundreds of thousands of women and children starved to death because of the british hunger-blockade on germany during WW1. Individual german soldiers had to fight much more battles than the individual entente soldiers, just because there were much fewer german soldiers. It should not be forgotten, that the german people suffered more than the other peoples of that time in europe, and that germany was treated not like a warrior, but like a criminal after WW1. A lot of puzzle-pieces must be put together to understand the rise of the national-socialist movement. This video helps to understand some of them.

[@alwinmitter2161]

I am German, how Peterson explained the positive feedback circle of practicing rhetoric by virtuously collecting the most emotion arousing parts of the latent collective unconsciousness is the most convincing single aspect I have ever heard when arguing about Hitler‘s charisma. It‘s even more convincing when you take into account the nihilistic ethical background after Nietzsches „Gott ist tot“, the collapse of political, economical and societal structures all at once after the forlorn war, Versailles, hyperinflation, depression and the resulting resentments therefrom. As Hitler undoubtedly had an artistic streak it seems he experienced kind of a so called flow while developping this particular form of rhetoric Jordan Peterson explained so well in just a few sentences

[@damnmexican90]

clearly the people were not feed up with the degenerate liberalism and freedom of the Weimar period. It had nothing to do with the pure unfair vicisous punishment post versailles, it had nothign to do with the communist revolution in 1919 led by the small hats. It was just charisma and some "unfortuante" effects, like pure magik, that led to people being swept of their feet.. Lets just ignore all the interviews with ordinary Germans reflecting about that era, in which they show a clear lucidity, to prop up this effeminate post hoc pyscho analysis.

[@Unexpectedperspectivesnow]

I've heard and also observed myself that Germans are not true individuals. They're like a hive-mind group. Scratch the surface and they're all the same. That can be an explanation for the mass-psychosis in the 20s-40s under Hitlers reign, the Third Reich. Of course, this is an exaggeration, but I do think that Germans behave strangely similar in many cases. If you annoy a clerk in a cafeteria or gas station, you can be sure to receive the Schnauze and rude treatment. I'm not seeking to offend any German, but these are some thoughts that I've encountered and also observed as a Swede who has been a multitude of times in Germany and also lived 1 year in Berlin. Add to this the "Herrenvolk" attitude and the fact that the Germans are in fact a capable people...

[@theblackspark2644]

Oh right, I forget about the hyperinflation germany went through.

[@anatoliypankevych4853]

I am Ukrainian and I want to say that most of the occupation by your army was conducted out of all the territory of ussr mostly on our lands - not russian . My people, my relatives, were forcefully brought to Germany to Arbeitslagern. But we have our common history for much longer period than that. We had agreements 100 years ago, when we were sending wheat to Deutschland , starving after the WW I. And each time your country makes the same mistake with us: you try to force us, breaking our trust - instead of being our ally. You make the same mistake all over and over again. You choose wrong allies. Even now, had Deutschland supported us since our second time independence , we would have been stronger today together then ever. MIT treue Kameraden im Bunde. „Zusammen, nicht allein“. I do hope your Volk manages to turn the wheel of karma in the right direction. There were whole regions in Ukraine, settled by Volksdeutsche - and we all lived together in harmony. We should take this as an example from our ancestors

[@Rydonattelo]

I look forward to visiting your country next year for the European Football tournament. We play you in the opening game. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤝🏽🇩🇪

[@johannesdenecke2422]

Hilarious how limited their views on Germany are.

[@karlkreisner5278]

I have a feeling like the Anglosphere is greatly overestimating the role of the Holocaust in the ordinary German's lifes (or at least in politics). But if you find some full-lenght speeches you'll notice that they're almost never about jews. I challenge everyone who reads this to find me a part in any Hitler speech where he shouts evil things about the jews. My impression is, that most people believe it would be easy to do so, to a point where they would say "just listen one minute into it", but in reality he hardly ever even mentions them. Also Hitler seriously wanted to deport them to Madagascar up until the war broke out and that's circa what the public knew (and supported) about his bigger plans. I also need to remind everyone reading this, that the majority of Germans in 1933 were still simple village folks who spent their days taking care of their farms and fields. If they wanted to see a jew they had to travel to the next city, on horse carts. The real Holocaust started about two years after the war broke out, people had many topics to care about, with disappearing jews being rather abstract to most (all the village dwellers) while the bombers blazing their farms and all men getting drafted was a "very first-hand experience" so to say.

[@karlkreisner5278]

PS: I have to add that travelling to the "next" city often meant a whole-day journey in only one direction; at least that's what it was for all of my great grandparents. It was always a strange and exotic experience for them and you can honestly count the times they were there on one hand, for their whole lifes. That's how often they had the opportunity to cross ways with a jew, and that's about what role the whole topic played for them.

[@marcusgibson3899]

Nonsense - read Hitler's speeches - they are full of mortal threats to Jews. When America entered the war Hitler saw it as a Jewish conspiracy, he hinted in speeches very strongly it would result in the extermination of 'world jewry'. Really, why be so ill-educated??

[@freshhands9461]

I have been pondering my people's problem for some years now, basically all my life. And my history teacher taught me: There are always multiple reasons for anything mayor happening. So, here is the current version of the ultimate answer: Humans German Weather Geographics Patriarchy Thirty Years War Prussian Militarism Late Unification World War I Versailles Global Economics Capitalism vs Socialism sHitler

[@realitysmadness3601]

You would be surprised, there is a really good reason why things keep repeating themselves, but the people who create the problems never want to fix them at the root cause. The Japanese explained it very well. The law of equivalent exchange.

[@Orxbane]

They keep repeating because the same people the NatSocs were fighting against keep doing what they always do, where ever they go.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"the people who create the problems never want to fix them at the root cause. " We have met the enemy and it is us. You can only fix yourself.

[@slapitman]

God it's so refreshing to watch this in comparison to the generalist nonsense one sees on traditional media. Discussion, even in contrasting opinion is what evolved us beyond savagery, Sadly we're regressing through tribalism.

[@republitarian484]

Nothing wrong with tribalism. Tribalism is what just might save the West. Looks like you've been duped into thinking any forms of Tribalism are bad. Yet all those other non-whites sure as heII embrace their tribalism.

[@thomasmaughan4798]

"Sadly we're regressing through tribalism." There is no WE. I am not regressing through tribalism; also, I am unconvinced that tribalism is a regression or that humans collectively ever left it.

[@Zerocorrupt-Sifu]

What you write is complete nonsense. What about the Versailles Treaty, that strangled germany to death and left them with their backs against the wall? What about britains role in that? Alleged history is british propaganda bullshit.

[@Zerocorrupt-Sifu]

@@republitarian484 What makes your tribe superior besides you beeing in it?

[@jesap6460]

Although you're right this discussion is more intellectual in nature, don't be blind to the bias of these interlocutors, they both are trying to push a political narrative, the pundicy is hidden and therefore arguably more dangerous.

[@Empusas1]

As a German that has grand parents that lived in the 3rd reich and told me first hand, I have to say you missed out two major issues. One of them was the lost WW I and the humiliation to sign the surrender in the train wagon in Compiègne. And 2nd the result of the peace treaty of Versailles, that forced Germany to pay reparations and to give up their territory in east and west. That Hitler used the same train wagon to let France surrender shows the significance of the first event. After WW II the allies understood that to prevent a 4th Reich and a WW III they could not make the same mistakes again. And in times when the world was struggle with economic problems people where looking for a scapegoat, which became the jews. Antisemitism was not only popular in Germany, it existed in a lot of countries, even USA. USA the country that fought the evil Germany in Europe, but took until 1964 to declare racial segregation as unlawful. And don`t get me wrong, Nazi Germany was evil. Fun fact throwing bomb on people to lead them into a democratic future worked only once in history in the case of Germany. That never worked in any other war fought since that.

[@unhandledexception.]

I can only agree, Sir.

[@unhandledexception.]

Also the german people as a whole, as well as their culture and history before the Third Reich, was destroyed in WWII. Germans are barely alive nowadays. Most don't even connect to their country anymore and lost all roots. And politics today destroy the remains of our once so beautiful country.

[@guntherlill7552]

That makes sense.

[@gbolt111]

​@RealOolonColluphidisnt that the same war?:)

[@Empusas1]

@RealOolonColluphid True, but still the same war. After that, never again....

[@LaunchDiadem41]

The winner writes the Story of the past... Not everything told about back then is true and many things wheren't told because they where not in favor of the winners...

[@anja7152]

I think there is one point that is often overlooked in the discussion about the reasons and that is the meaning of the monarchy. After 1918 the German political order was formally a democracy, yes. But the people were not used to think and act as a democratic souvereign. I think, Friedrich Ebert (SPD) was right at that time. He thought that Germany should keep a monarch after the 1st World War, embeded in a democratic system of course. But by taking out the monarchy the only factor that could have provided some outlasting continuity and orientation in challenging times, was removed.

[@penelopekilpatrick6408]

Interesting to contemplate...makes sense when evolving to a new form of governance we could need someone(s) to be stewards of the transition to help align new ways of being, thinking, governing..

[@metalguy098]

Italy had a king too who decided to hand all of the Italian empire over to Mussolini after the march on Rome.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@motorcollection6635]

Bravo, well said, Versailles and the disappererd Kaiser took away a basement on what a new start could be done. Democrathy enden up in a socialistic experiment what was occupied by right/left dictatorship ....right wing from industry , left wing from Stalin/russian communist world revolution. (Today this is called Green Party die Grünen ....hidden communists) )

[@usagi67]

This is a little bit short-thought. Parliament and parties already existed since Kaiser Wilhelm I.

[@Redeye308350]

The fact that today it's very difficult to find a complete video of any of his speeches is terrifying in itself of the modern world.

[@adamjames1375]

...looks like everyone burns the books they don't like.

[@Orxbane]

You can't watch them in full or subtitled because they might start resonating with you and the situation we are in right now. This is Weimar 2.0 and caused by the very same people

[@jstefa2]

@@Orxbane funny enough... with the same issues..

[@BrixxonLP]

Oh they might come for you, what do you know? ;)

[@lucasbogea]

@HISTORYCHANNELJAPAN Has some of them, it's extremely educational and i think we shouldn't close our eyes and ears to what we don't agree with, we need to understand it to not make the same mistakes or fall on the same traps, but sadly in current days it's all about hating what's disagreeable and condemning free thought.

[@jacquik6231]

A major lesson from Germany is to not assume that the elites 'know better'. They do not all the time. Education should and can give knowledge, but it can also limit critical and independent thinking as the teaching gives limited perspectives and often fails to understand the psychology of humans and the irrational nature of human emotion.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@anno5936]

Critical thinking has gone overboard in the last 3 decades

[@socialroi2673]

This discourse is part of the problem, Search "the systematic humiliation of Germany" to find out the real german problem.

[@ciprianbodea7838]

As history shows, elites are wrong 98% of the time, while the plebians are wrong only 95% of the time.

[@siegfriedlechler7412]

The German problem is that the English in Germany always see a problem out of sheer fear when Germany gets stronger. It was like that every time, before Bismark, before Hitler and now again. I think that's why the English are out of the EU. And that is the English problem!

[@marcusgibson3899]

No, we left the EU due to mass immigration - triggered by Angelika Merkel, and secondly, being excluded by EU protectionism from 10,000s of business contracts. Only the UK is a truly open economy.. imagine any British firm getting an engineering contract in France or Germany! Siemens does £4-5bn a year in the UK.. cos we have an open economy. The UK has/ never had any 'fear' of an economically strong Germany, ever. First, UK-Germany were each other's biggest trading partners; the City of London was the biggest lender to Germany. Germany's recent collapse in economic strength is due to mass immigration and a ludicrous dependence on Russian gas and Chinese exports, and an undying love of Putin and Xi Ping..

[@josejoao1621]

I would dispute that… Many modern democracies have British values as the base for their construction. The sovereignty of the individual as the primary mode of governance was push forward by UK and then popularised by USA following the ending of the WW2. I am not saying by any means that UK always does or did everything correctly, not at all. I am saying that they were a net positive for our modern politics. If they will continue to be in the future, it remains to be seen…

[@siegfriedlechler7412]

@@josejoao1621 Your answer is typically Anglo-American, according to the motto that our way of life must be spread to all peoples. That is what is known as "American destiny". So what is the result of these "free democracies"? Unrest, degeneration, wrong way of life, godlessness, destruction of the family, ungovernability, eternal quarrels. Even if 100 million citizens are of the same opinion, this opinion can still be wrong. I would prefer a government under Bismarck.🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂🙃

[@josejoao1621]

@@siegfriedlechler7412 I rather have a choice in my misery than having someone choose it for me. That’s the simplest way I can explain it. Democracy is the worse form of governance, except when compared to all others…

[@marcusgibson3899]

The Brits have no fear of Germany, it's boredom mostly as they don't have a sense of humour. Prussia aka Germany thought war was fun, amoral and very enrichening. Nazis got their ill-gotten gain back post-war via Sweden and Switzerland, as we know. The UK has no claims on German companies, which are never for sale anyway, nor territory, much of which is not worth having.. The RAF visited, and now Germany is pacifist, finally a mature nation, well almost.

[@liberty-matrix]

"A conclusion you could make from the Stanford Prison Experiment is that when you tell people to be cruel they'll do it, if you tell them it's for a greater good." ~Vsauce

[@jamesclark6487]

Look at how quickly the state turned on people during c19. They turned to us vs them, them being those that didn't follow the party line. We've all experienced it. Learn from it.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@christofincognito4530]

They never talk about Weimar, they never tell you which books were burnt.

[@johndogblue]

For a primer on the types of books Nazi's burned: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings The Weimar Republic period in Germany including the rise of the Nazi party was well documented because there was freedom of the press up until Hindenburg capitulated to allow Hitler become Chancellor. Even after that, US and other western reporters remained in Germany and reported on this period. I just finished Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" first published just 15 years after the end of the war which goes over this at length. It's an easy listen on Audible, but long. I highly recommend all American's listen or read how an authoritarian government worms their way into society--mandating that others come to their school of thought--or else...

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@redpillforreal3053]

They’ll never tell you which books and they’ll never tell the truth. Just more anti-german spin jockeys to control free thought

[@epitimaios]

They have talked about Weimar till nausia. If you want to know which books were burned, there is no difficulty to know the titles and the authors. But you will find much less information about which were not burned. Not to speak of the bestsellers! For example Wiechert.

[@christofincognito4530]

they'll never tell you who was pushing for communism, degeneracy and the total collapse of the society in Germany and also Russia, Hungary, Poland. All they'll do is talk about how hitler was "demonic" @@epitimaios

[@thewhiskeycowboy-official]

Except that the truth is that in the United States many of the same beliefs and actions were happening... though not to the degree it was seen in Germany. And to be fair much of the anti-Jewish matters were shared by almost all European countries. The reason things didn't explode in other countries (to include the US) I believe was because Germany ALSO had some deeper issues and national history that other nations didn't have. They had things in play that not only allowed for what happened, but were factors for it as well as fueled it's burn. But much of it was not unique to Germany... which is why I shake my head when folks act all superior and wonder how on earth could Germans allow to happen what did.... were your eyes open during the Plandemic?????? Hello!!!! Did you notice what happened in the US and most other Western countries? Cheers!

[@johanponken]

Also, along the same lines, all of the West were engaged in 'cleaning the blood lines', or more practically speaking: restricting, neutering and electrocuting people with various mental and physiological deficiencies. It was 'the science' of the time.

[@Ronin969]

Bump

[@FalkoJ89]

Exactly, it was totally insane seeing people believe in the wildest unsupported claims regarding the vaccine. The parallel you can make between antivax audience capture and Hitler's populism, is eerie in terms of similarities. Distrust of institutions, us vs them mentality, disinformation, feelings over facts, charismatic voices...

[@GilesHarveson]

Working people weren’t getting their share and hitle saw an opening that he capitalised on and with the credibility of a national government a crazy man became the driver of industry and the holocaust was an industrial rate pogrom and Germans followed him through the gates of hell merry Christmas it’s all true

[@miklosfabian4722]

Germans had freed themselves from Christianity thanks to Goethe, Voltaire, Nietzsche, Luther. . . They destroyed the Catholic Church with their critical thinking

[@lisandroschachinger8397]

I live in Argentina and my President whom I voted for, has many of the orator qualities and his success lies much in the concepts that they explain. But with totally different political and economic ideology. Milei's success is worth studying

[@FreedomofspeechSensor-zu8ip]

I know things have gotten worse there but that isn't due to Milei policies! It's the socialist hangover!

[@omnivorous65]

I had parents who lived through that period, old enough to remember mass un-employment and hyperinflation in the 1920s. I learned a lot about that time period from first-hand accounts. While not a historian I read a lot of the literature that describes the general mood of thas era. To suggest that Germany's situation, politially and economically was comparable with other countries, is simply misleading. The war reparations contributed significantly to the hyperinflation, which led to entire socio-economic groups loosing everything. Those groups and their sense of helplessness in the face of financial ruin made them extremely susceptible for the Nazi ideology. What also did not help was the neutering of the Christian centre-right party by the Vatican in Rome.

[@contekozlovski]

War reparations didn't cause hyperinflation. That was a conscious decision by the German establishment. See the writing of Ludwig von Mises about it.

[@omnivorous65]

I did not say "cause" but "contributed". The war reparations strained the Weimar Republic's economy, leading to excessive printing of money to meet these demands.The total amount was set at 132 billion gold marks, a sum that was astronomical at the time and far beyond Germany's ability to pay. To fulfill these obligations, the Weimar government resorted to printing more money, believing this would be a temporary solution. @@contekozlovski

[@laaaliiiluuu]

​@@contekozlovskiYeah, but weren't those conscious decisions a reaction to the war reparations?

[@contekozlovski]

@@laaaliiiluuu they didn't want to pay so they self-sabotaged.

[@laaaliiiluuu]

@@contekozlovski Why did they self-sabotage by refusing to pay?

[@Rugad]

I think Peterson is on the right track with the term "resentfulness". But what I missed in the discussion was the aspect of national hurt pride, the feeling of humiliation and the desire for revenge after the loss of WW1 and the Versaille treaty. It may have been implicit in the discussion, but to understand Weimar I think this deserves more exploration.

[@tacticalskiffs8134]

Except the truly rational planers, aren't moved by this. WWII was at least the third attempt of the Germans to break out of their geography into a world more like the British empire, or ideally the US empire with a continental reach, and both agricultural power, and industrial power. The Germans saw this as essential to their survival, and they presumably looked at what the cost was for the British and the US to respectively achieve their aims. Hell the Congo was decimated just to build some fancy buildings for the King, who seems to have been acting separately from the Belgian people at large. So what moral constraint did the Germans feel they should embrace? And the thing was. The Germans wanted to clear/murder 40 million people in the East in the first 2 years after Barbarossa. But the Russian had already had a start estimated as between 3 and 10 million people during the Holodomor, so it might have come down to a mater of German vs Russian administration.

[@Kamfrenchie]

The versailles treaty couldn't have been made more lenient given how ww1 had unfolded and how Germany had acted. A bigger thing imo is luddendorf's lies about how the army was stabbed in the back in WW1

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@PhilippHector]

​@Kamfrenchie you can't be serious. How can a humiliating and economically crippling treaty be lenient? No serious person in modern historic research still puts the blame on the war solely in Germany. For many decades now, this absolute inaccurately stance on the subject is not only contestad but blatantly false. (Cristopher Clark published good common literature about it). It only was the common narrative because conveniently the Germans hat to sign the treaty and accept the French narrative which is just stupid on a moronic level. And not to forget how hypocritical the treaty was. It included many plebiscits in regions about to which country it will belong. When the plebiscits had a result against Germany, it was accepted and in many regions where the results where highly in favor of staying on Germany, the results have been ignored. Basically onesided breach of the treaty just because the french and poles didnt like results

[@Kamfrenchie]

@@PhilippHector I said the treaty couldn't be more lenient, because the war created untold devastation, and Germany worsened the damage inflicted to France and Belgium land by conducting a scorched earth policy during their retreat in 1918. The treaty wasn't economicly crippling, For one, France couldn't dictate the terms on its own, so the UK and the US made sure Germany would keep on existing, without being crippled too much. Some in the UK even thought France might become a rival, so they wanted Germany to remain a power. The amount of reparations supposed to be paid is what germany initially proposed. """It only was the common narrative because conveniently the Germans hat to sign the treaty and accept the French narrative which is just stupid on a moronic level""" This is untrue again, sicne when does a french narrative prevail over an anglo saxon one ? Especially since people like Keynes could be openly critical of it ? Again, look up what treaties Germany enforced on France in 1870, and on Russia at Brest Litovsk. Very harsh terms each time

[@remaguire]

The loss of the First World War and particularly the overly punishing Versailles Treaty were two irritants that made the German people ripe for the promise of a greater Germany. Hitler recognized and tapped into that very successfully.

[@blackbird7679]

As a consequence of losing the First World War Turkey faced far harsher conditions than Germany. But then Turkey got an Atatürk, a visionary and Germany got a Hitler, an evil sprite.

[@MrLangz0r]

06:00 I honestly do not believe that renouncing religion on it's own would be enough for the German people to become "barbaric" It would mean that anyone who isn't religious would become "barbaric" over time I would however say that the reason as to why the German people became "barbaric" would be because of the influence of their leaders and most importantly the threat of not following the new Reich. As a neighbour to Germany I've heard several stories of families who fled because of a "charismatic" but corrupt leader.

[@frankb389]

3:51 an answer in my opinion. Because the US was not defeated in WW1, and had foreign led mandates forced on it, was not having a mass migration of eastern Europeans fleeing Communism. And lastly, USA was not fighting communism to survive as Germany was and was almost taken over by 2 socialist party's.

[@Ronin969]

yup.

[@hyzia18]

It is strange how easily people forget the WWI and its extreme impact on the countries engaged. Dead, wounded, disabled, traumatized. Hyperinflation, stock crash, depression. Spread of communism. Humiliation after lost war. I've heard somewhere a statement that there were "no 2 world wars but 1 war with 20 year cease-fire in between".

[@MartinParsons-tr6wi]

The rabble rousers weren't careful enough about what they wished for

[@Karn0010]

That was my issue in Political Science as well, so many tried to boil everything down to economic determinism. I saw so many of my fellow students just accept this and not question it at all. That is what separates people like Dr. Peterson and Dr. Ferguson from alot in that field, they asked questions and went looking for the answers.

[@illbeyourmonster5752]

It's not just economic standards they equate everything to. Pick a subject or concept and they do their damnedest to reduce it down to an absurd corrupted and twisted binary format that has nothing to do with how reality is and works at all.

[@christianlibertarian5488]

Ferguson makes an excellent point, as you say. Economics sets conditions, but it does not create the exact situation. A "demonic demagogue" such as Hitler could harness the economic state to his own ends.

[@BboyKeny]

Anything with political in the name gets politicised. For politics "science" is interesting because it carries a lot of credibility (which is the currency of a politician). So I assumed that Political Science results in pushing a political ideology and not busy themselves with approaching and describing politics through the scientific method.

[@illbeyourmonster5752]

@axileus9327 But those who believed they were the masters really don't like it.

[@tacticalskiffs8134]

Even if you think it is economic, you know that there is something under that, and under that... It isn't a philosophy course. It is university, anything with the preposterous claim of being political science is just an indoctrination scheme into how the ruling elite wants you to function. That has it's uses. Money is supposed to be the universal value, so if you want to organize people at something other than the muzzle of a gun, you impose an economic system. What bothered me about Political Science was the fact that none of my professors seemed to have a clue about how the military mind worked.

[@AdamSmith-de5oh]

"History is written by the winners." "There is no smoke without fire" "There are two sides to every story" Except with WW2 we went to war with a super demonic villain....

[@patriot9455]

You can find short clips of dynamic speakers from the beginning of broadcasting to this evening, funding full length spoken speeches of any speaker is difficult because, in part, the minute clip (the YT generation mindset) describes long speeches as useless. When they are the very seeds of power. That is one reason today's media stars interrupt candidates speeches with their take on what is being said AS IT IS BEING SAID. In doing so, they intentionally become the focus, leaving a gifted speaker as a 2 sentence sound bite out of context, but the media pretends a context that suits their agenda.

[@adryancavar7515]

As a German, I wish we would also be known for other things.

[@silviaquesada2499]

and for those who appreciate literature and art and architecture Germany is well known and appreciated!

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

But this is a very German problem. Germans need to free themselves from history. Why does Germany have this obsessive need to take in refugees and reject any kind of German nationalism? Why? Why was it such a big deal to send weapons to Ukraine. Germany must move on and put Nazism in history books and leave it there.

[@scg7092]

[EDIT: Now that you have shortened your comment, my reply may seem out of place. I will keep it up though, because the German Guilt Complex seems to me to be an important problem to address.] I think it's our own duty to shake this guilt syndrome off and reject it when someone tries to put it onto us. Instead, we should stand up straight with our shoulders back and make ourselves known for better things - first, by reminding ourselves of the better parts of our history, culture and traditions, then by reconnecting with them. The left may try to indoctrinate us with this guilt syndrome through media and schools so that we do not speak up for ourselves. But the world does know us for better things - just travel and ask. The only people I have ever heard shouting "Deutschland verrecke!" (=Germany, die slowly and painfully!) are German Antifa members / Socialists. Never a Brit, Frenshman, Russian, American, ect. That tells you where the problem is.

[@scg7092]

@@silviaquesada2499... not to forget engineering, medicine or other STEM fields.

[@silviaquesada2499]

@@scg7092 correct! I haven't lived in Europe for quite a while, so what is closest to my heart is all the beaux arts. Kennst du das Land wo die Zitronen bluehn....etc

[@guenthermarschall01]

Hi, I'm German (born 1971, politically centre-left, I would be a Democrat voter in the US). According to my history lessons and what I've been told by older people here, there were some more things that played a role: 1. treaties of Versailles - in Germany they felt too harshly punished by these agreements, this perceived unfairness made them angry, they felt collectively treated unfairly. 2. appeals were made to the original German virtues of "doing the right thing", "being upright", "solidarity", "believing in the greater good" and "standing up against injustice". This strengthened cohesion and a sense of belonging, 3. the name of the party "National and Socialist" - i.e. for "us" and "together" (against the others who treated Germany unfairly at Versailles). 4. the Nazis also delivered real results at the beginning (not just motorways but a few other things) - so they were credible and people trusted them to be able to do the best for the country. They were seen as the ones who didn't just talk, but also acted and delivered results. Another German virtue. 5 Hitler was the orchestra master of what was in the people's soul and, we all agree, channelled it in the wrong, evil directions. PLUS: Probably the best branding and marketing of any party in history (emotional storytelling, design, stringency, clarity, rhetoric, etc.).

[@cosimawagner7831]

Empfehle zu lesen: Wahrheit sagen, Teufel jagen: Author: Gerard Menuhin

[@philiprufus4427]

Spot On ! a great nation brought low by internal strife,hardship and people striving for away out only to be met with skullduggery. i.e. The Kaisers Army was full of German Jews !

[@mikethespike7579]

You are nearer to the truth than you think. The Nazis actually pioneered modern electioneering and political campaigning, the same methods are used now all over the world.

[@ddoherty5956]

You would vote for the Clinton's and Biden??? You must be bloody daft!

[@altblechasyl_cs2093]

Der grösste Effekt ist, der Deutsche ist ein Untertan, er ist der beste Untertan der Welt, seit mind 1000 Jahren. Es gibt kein Volk auf der Welt, das so wenig persönliche Freiheit einfordert und seine Obrigkeit dermassen unkritisch akzeptiert, wie sonst irgendwo auf der Welt.

[@MCHkid13]

Wow this was fascinating. The last few sentences really hit me in the face. These are troubling times we live in. I pray that we all find the courage to speak up and speak out.

[@andreasrademacher5715]

Prayer c seems to be the ONLY answer.

[@catritz]

“ *It takes courage not to be discouraged* ” ― Benjamin B. Ferencz, (Chief prosecutor at the Einsatzgruppen trial)

[@ginkhoba]

in Germany it gets more and more dangerous to speak out against the narrative, the government is just acting less public than in the USA.

[@dh8834]

Stephen Hicks has a 2 hr 45 min documentary on KZbin where he starts with Nietzsche. There are answers there. This stuff is preventable, comes from Leftism and the Social Contract in my opinion, putting the collective over the individual. Saying the N.S. were just crazy puts them in our blind spot, which means it could happen again. Need to understand what you're trying to cure. They saw themselves as oppressed just like BLM and used words such as 'Brutal' to describe their actual victim.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@raindrop9675]

The neverending german problem. After thousands of books and documentaries and movies. 12 years of a history of thousand years forever frozen in time... 80 years later still a problem. All direcly involved already dead... and still the finger will be in this wound for the next generations to come. Sick and tired of every war and bloodshed in the world. If seemingly neverending guilt will apply to every country involved in bloodshed, manslaughter and war then there are many prayers for all of us necessary.

[@jonb4020]

A wonderful discussion. My own first degree was political science and languages, and as I grew to know more about the war, long gone when I was growing up, I became increasingly interested in how Hitler's power unfolded. (I experimented with a group of 11 year olds once, and showed them a video of Hitler (in German, which they could not understand) and Churchill (the "fight on the beaches" speech)). Then I gave them free rein to talk about both with me. They ALL thought that Hitler was "better". Why? "Because he sounded as if he meant it more". Another instructive experience for me was that in my small Yorkshire home-town there was a German ex-POW neighbour who had met a local girl and married her. I got to know him well, especially when I began learning German, and I liked him. He had been a parachutist in the Wehrmacht, not a Nazi. That said, he had supported Hitler's leadership. He explained why so many ordinary people in Germany were so against the Jews, though expressed horror at what had happened to so many of them. I won't go into it all here. It is always good to hear the other side of any argument... it made me wonder what I would have thought, and done, had I been a young German in the 1930s. (Edited for typos).

[@scg7092]

Thank you for sharing this story. Tbh I would be very grateful if you did go into detail about what he told you. I am a young-ish German and our elderly people who lived through it are dying away. I swear I won't hold it against any jew or him. I just want to better understand what the dislike was about.

[@lucianaromulus1408]

​@@scg7092study Weimar Germany and the Jewish people being kicked out of 109 countries and you'll get a better idea.

[@elden5052]

Maybe envy? Jews are known to be very prosperous.

[@juergenernst1320]

Very simple answer to your question: most likely you would have had sympathy for the nazis and their achievements at the very least; very likely you would have been a fierce supporter, and quite possibly you would have been a willing participant if not a firebrand. Very unlikely you would have been a defector or a dissident, especially after you realized what it meant for yourself and your entire extended family; and somewhat likely you would have been uneasy or even in disagreement with at least parts of what you would have seen, but kept your head down and played along. Either that, or you have to believe Germans are genetically a different species of humans from all the rest of the world.

[@lucianaromulus1408]

@@elden5052 study their expulsion from the 109 countries and it'll help you understand better 🙏

[@belindalucas5468]

*1.* Discussing: 'The *Jewish* Question/Problem" is *racist and bigoted.* *2.* But discussing 'The *German'* Problem' is totally fine. Can someone help this make sense?

[@marcusdePog]

I think you might be misinterpreting what they mean by that phrase. They aren't suggesting that "Germans" are a problem. The "Problem" is wrapping our heads around what happened. How could such a catastrophe occur? Can we guard against it happening again? etc. Nothing to do with race.

[@christopherneufelt8971]

Yes of course. It has to do with the suppression of women from the patriarchy that pervades the societal mechanism in every hierarchy possible by means of capital and binary sexual interpretations. This is preciselly the manner that historians work today.

[@one_mega_ohm9139]

well you see, Jewish and German are different

[@ronnygibbon]

​@@christopherneufelt8971😆

[@sashafarber617]

It has nothing to do with that.​@@christopherneufelt8971

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

The “viral spread” of national socialism was not amongst ruling elites that Ferguson refers to early in the video - it was accepted more widely by farmers, working class and lower middle class Germans. The industrialists and aristocrats were largely disdainful of the “Bohemian corporal”

[@jayhill2193]

the broader masses found appeal in the promised prosperity. The Nazi party wasn't called "National Socialist German *Workers* Party" for nothing. It's also important to note that a large proportion of the unemployed in the Weimar Republic were veterans, who had to endure the dismantling of their military, loss of leadership and who weren't accepting of a democratic system yet. They were easily fooled by the Dolchstoßlegende and lined up to join the SA and Nazi ideology.

[@jamesclark6487]

Socialism is attractive to lower IQ people, that's why it's so dangerous.

[@scottweisel3640]

That may be true, but the industrialists supported his appointment as Chancellor, thinking they could control him.

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

@@scottweisel3640 yes I think von Papen said those exact words to Conservatives. Don’t worry.

[@drlca6601]

Franz von Papen mainly wanted to use Hitler as a springboard for A) an upper class stranglehold on politics and B) the eradication of the socialists and communists. Unfortunately, being as foolish as he was, he never considered that giving more power to Hitler might've been a massive mistake. That is not to say that many among the upper class of Germany didn't support the Nazis. There're numerous examples to the contrary. While the Nazi rise couldn't have been accomplished without the working and middle classes, the elites played their part decisively.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

*The people of Eurasia, including Western Europe (most of whom are Christians) have been divided and ruled over by outsiders for centuries.* Because it is easier to divide people based on personal differences, than it is to unite them, based on what they have in common. Strategically ambiguous rulers make use of this, for own advantages. In the era of European Imperialism, first London dragging along her junior partner Paris, then after 1945 as European colonial powers' influence decreased, the role of divider was simply taken over by Washington DC (the entire world was the playground during the Cold War). Now the intention is simply to avoid unity in Eurasia, in order to "rule" over the dissent which is classical "divide and rule". Today, their leaders are too weak to unite. Endless wars, constant dissent. Insert "levers" of lies, mistrust... Create favorites: favoritism... Point the finger, everywhere else... Divide and Rule. Oldest trick in the book... Who wields the POWER? Who has had (in all historical cases in the ME/Levant) the GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE of being able to reach all the other little buck catchers (tools, and other Roman-era style instruments of POWER), but could not be reached itself, because of a geographical-, technological-, organisational-, military-, strategic-, political advantage at any given point of a historical timeline? "Most of the great problems we face are caused by politicians creating solutions to problems they created in the first place." -- Walter E. Williams

[@peekaboo6622]

Fascinating guest. Thank you. Now you know why it was imperative for the pandemic to be more deadly in nursing homes - placing blame of elderly death rates due to co-morbidities, not because recovering infected were transfered into nursing homes.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@SvenHeidemann-uo2yl]

@peekaboo6622 The "treatment" with remdecevir played a major role in elderly deaths. And then they had the guts to tell us that the fatal effects of that drug are covid symptoms.

[@Ronin969]

Read Henry Ford's The International Jew, Jordan. It answers many of your questions, from before the rise of the national socialists

[@platoscavealum902]

Would you be kind enough to take a little bit of time to explain some of the answers the book provides? Otherwise, Wikipedia says: The International Jew is a four-volume set of antisemitic booklets or pamphlets originally published and distributed in the early 1920s by the Dearborn Publishing Company, an outlet owned by Henry Ford. […] Ford's International Jew was translated into German in 1922 and cited as an influence by Baldur von Schirach, one of the Nazi leaders, who stated "I read it and became anti-Semitic. In those days this book made such a deep impression on my friends and myself because we saw in Henry Ford the representative of success, also the exponent of a progressive social policy. In the poverty-stricken and wretched Germany of the time, youth looked toward America, and apart from the great benefactor, Herbert Hoover, it was Henry Ford who to us represented America." Praising American leadership in eugenics in his book Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler considered Ford an inspiration, and noted this admiration in his book, calling him "a single great man" Hitler was also known to keep copies of The International Jew, as well as a large portrait of Ford in his Munich office.

[@Orxbane]

He won't do it, he wouldn't even touch a copy of "200 years" by Solzhenitsyn. He'd have a seizure if you brought that book within 100 yards of him.

[@gabenorman747]

Why are you promoting socialist nonsense?

[@larryburford1871]

Stanley Milgrom did a series of experiments, all over the modern world in the 70s, to try to find out why the German people went off the graph before and during WW2. A movie (The Tenth Level, staring William Shatner) was later done about it. Bottom line, all it took was a lab coat and a clipboard (symbols of authority) to get about 65 percent of ANY population (USA included) to go off the graph. The movie was OK, but not great.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@eily_b]

Milgram

[@yourfriendoverseas5810]

Everyone knows about the Milgram experiment but not so many people know that it was a terribly controlled experiment, because the tape was badly acted and most participants did not believe it to be real.

[@psyskeptic9979]

Get the details right: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

[@rodjacksonx]

IOW, humans are, sadly, far, far too willing to abdicate their responsibility to make their own moral decisions, and to hand it over to any "authority," legitimate or not, real or imagined, that is convenient.

[@meilstone]

It's always kind of uncanny to watch Anglo-Saxons (who have the most blood on their hands globally) judge the so-called German problem. Ironically, even their cultural and linguistic origins can be traced back to the German sphere. But it's always good to get different perspectives and I find their comments well expressed and valid.

[@JoeyStarley]

Yes The U.K. controlled a large area of the earth with colonialism and U.S. went from sea to sea.

[@victordogeman]

It’s not a mystery, Hitler laid it out in Mein Kampf. People act like they’ve read it, and ( more commonly they feel they don’t need to read it, because they just) understand it. But then they talk about “the demonic nature of Hitler’s appeal,” like this guy. I’ve never heard anyone give a steel man version of his complaints that he himself would sign off on. No one in history has been so caricatured and demonized for the purpose of controlling the current narrative. Everyone is so quick to agree that history is written by the victors, yet so slow to consider what that might actually look like if applied to recent history. Truly, it is far easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled. No, I’m not a Neo Nazi.

[@victordogeman]

The other thing no one seems to want to contend with: Hitler was determined that the central bankers were ruining the world. When he comes to power, he immediately cuts ties with the international bankers and makes a new currency, backed by, essentially, adding value to the German nation. Shortly thereafter, it takes the entire world to just barely defeat a country smaller than your average American state. Is that the power that comes from getting out from under the banker’s thumb? Is there not something profound that is demonstrated by this situation?

[@chrissergeant7798]

My grandfather was a retired Lt Col in the United States Marine Corps. A veteran of 35 years, who started out as a private and landed on Tarawa, Saipan and Tinian in the Pacific War said two things to me that have stood out and now are haunting in these post COVID times - "a human being is capable of just about anything," and "most people want to be led, they want a government to tell them what to do, they don't want to participate or to worry about governing themselves, they just want to be left alone to live their lives and will do what they are told because, obviously 'others know better,'" he said, "the 'best' form of government is a 'benevolent dictator.'" Even as a youngster, I knew he was being sarcastic. He also added, "Americans are the exception." Now, I believe he meant, Western Civilization is the exception. I will never forget his wisdom and his stories, some of which would "curl your toenails." Hearing Dr Jordan and his guests reminds me of the conversations I had with him, and what he fought for.

[@lorrilewis2178]

Except, America is NOT the exception. Nor is western civilization.

[@elliottdiedrich3068]

No, he wasn't being sarcastic; a benevolent dictator IS the best form of government.

[@randyv2425]

And we live in a culture that glorifies violence. Not a good sign to be warm to something so cold.

[@FNWendigo]

@@randyv2425 Every culture has glorified violence.

[@maciejpieczula631]

And what made the West the exception?

[@DerKirchenhocker]

Two things should worry us: 1. The science of propaganda 2. People are easy to manipulate

[@KillKenny09]

darum sind sie ja auch in die mRNA-Spritze gerannt. Und sie werden es wieder tun. Und wer nicht stumpf mitmacht, der ist "nazi" XD Das ist so dumm. Das kann man sich gar nicht ausdenken...

[@mysteriousstranger9496]

Demonic, demonic, demonic... When you kick a dog and it bites back, that means it's demonic. Comically sophomoric analysis.

[@sbloomis]

Very worthwhile discussion. (I was an economics major, as an aside). But while the US did not go as far down that line as Germany I wrote a paper in college pointing out just how far along that same line we went. FDR did a lot, and was elected 4 times to do it. From court-packing to any number of new executive programs or expansions of power, it isn't like we didn't have a lot of the same pressures.

[@scg7092]

You did not have the Treaty of Versailles. I believe that's what caused the fatal resentment. Germany was given all the blame for WW1 and the reparation payments drained the country like mad. Nowadays historians acknowledge that this wasn't a fair assessment of the causes of WW1 (read "The Sleepwalkers") - and the Germans knew it at the time. I believe many felt abused by the winners of WW1 and betrayed by their politicians who seemingly allowed it to happen. Then Hitler arrived on the scene - a WW1 veteran who had been wounded like so many Germans - telling them he had their back. If I remember correctly the reparation payments were lifted 99 days after the empowerment law (=das Ermächtigungsgesetz) passed, which brought Hitler into power. Of cause that improved the economic situation and this success was attributed to Hitler. The fact that Weimarer politicians had pleaded with the victorious nations for a long time before that was forgotten or discounted, since they had been unsuccessful. When people are desperate, they want a leader who seems to be on their side and effective. I think that's only human. But when that leader channels and amplifies the people's resentment a vicious circle can ensue.

[@christianlibertarian5488]

Also, consider Japan and Italy, not to mention Stalin. It was an era of authoritarianism, not just Hitler.

[@michaelmisczuk1188]

Great job.

[@christopherkucia1071]

FDR is my favorite and most hated president ever…. JFK comes in second as the most loved and most hated. Then I’d have to say Andrew Jackson is just my most loved. Not much to hate him for besides his racism and genocide. LOL! I’m being serious too. FDR made this country what it is, and we are now feeling the long term effects of his policy…. Back door deals with his corporate buddies….. he’ll, even went as far as not preventing Pearl Harbor AND took us off the gold standard for the second time, more permanently…. Nazism won in WW2, it was exported to the top science and engineering fields in the USA, UK, USSR and France…. And Canada and Australia for sure too. The mad and evil scientists of the Nazis were hired across the world and exported from Nuremberg to their new comfy identities in new countries. Most all of our education, science, sociology, marketing. Technology, way of thinking was influenced by exported nazism, technocracy, oligarchy, plutocracy, Marxism transhumanism globalist agenda that the Nazis made so famous…… After all, it was groups like Rockefeller, Busch, Carnegie families in the USA who funded and encouraged the Nazi science to begin with before the rise of Hitler…

[@ncheedxx0109]

Actually, Jim Crow was Nazism without concentration camps and the final solution. Many would argue that the US only became a real democracy in 1965 when Jim Crow was abolished.

[@berndkreutz]

Both intellectuals, who I highly respected until today, reveal a fatal ignorance of the European history that led to the First World War and specifically the catastrophic German social conditions after its end. Knowledge of the works of Karl Kraus, Ernst Jünger, Erich Maria Remarque or Sebastian Haffner would have enlightend Mister Peterson and Mister Ferguson.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@SV-jg7bp]

@@AllOtherNamesUsed Stop posting this crap in every thread!

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

@@SV-jg7bp Still waiting for an intelligent response. It's all just bots

[@johnnyflores5954]

Do you really, believe the Jews in Israel are the real Hebrews, from the Bible.

[@hinglemccringleberry7265]

They both don't deserve being called intellectuals. As a german I think we understand pretty well why Hitler happend. Another aspect is new forms of media back then. That's exactly why I think Peterson and other postmodern Antiintellectual trolls like him having a platform for their postfactual ideas is dangerous as the masses don't have the means yet to check them.

[@tonyg5692]

We need to remember there were about 3million non-Jewish Polish people who suffered at the hands of Hitler, some of my family members and friends of families arrived here with the tattoos and emotional scars of being guest of Hitler. Our lesson is to raise our frequency to a point where nothing like this could ever take place in any history or any timeline in any universe.

[@psalm2764]

Why does nobody ever mention the thousands of young men who were slaughtered for - nothing.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@summerswanson7252]

9:35 EST 600,00 Young men died during the American Civil War. They died - both sides - to keep the Union together AND get rid of Slavery as a validated way of treating blacks AND anybody else. The same for WW1 AND WW2. They did not die for Nothing. Freedom reins in the civilized world BECAUSE of WW1 and WW2.​@@psalm2764

[@rovhalt6650]

All that is needed for that to happen is for humans to be more understanding and respectful of human nature itself. Everyone is racist. Everyone wants a place to call their own. Kick the anthill and you will get ants on your body attacking you.

[@barbsmart7373]

@@psalm2764 Yeah. I know. I had to go searching myself. I found more and more and more tragedy. Incomprehensible.

[@philkeh]

Most of the issues discussed and questions asked have been already thoroughly assessed and explained by great contemporary German thinkers like Rüdiger Safranski, Peter Sloterdijk or Bazon Brock. It is a pity that these and other German intellectuals have been published only in German. It needs to be translated to English because the output of intellectuals in Germany and the depths of their understanding and explanation of the past and present is enormous still today. These two well educated Gentlemen would be very interested in what contemporary german philosophy has to say to the issues discussed here. For example I would recommend to read Safranski's book "Evil, or the drama of freedom".

[@maltewaaga6748]

Well as somebody that had history in the german gymnasium I want to point out the sentiment of Germany after losing World war 1. The country was in a dire situation and everything was fragile: politics infrastructure and payments to other countries. And Hitler even served in the first World War. So no one was really content with the politics of the weimarer Republic since it was incapable to appease the population. And if I remember correctly (it was some time ago since I had that class) the party was voted by around 40% of the voters. He was able to use that situation. Needless to say I was not that great in history just wanted to share. And I also find it important to note that no one is currently happy with the politics in Germany right now. Not the Germans and not the other countries. It's a wierd minority of people here that think this is ok. But we got TV and internet to keep us distracted.

[@NotAFanMan88]

>But we got TV and internet to keep us distracted This reminds me of that film/novel "Look Who's Back" where Hitler gets transported to the current era and he's treated as a cosplayer, being shot documentary-style in his interactions with modern Germans. One part of it that stood out was when he was on a late night TV show doing a "stand up" bit where he said something along the lines of "Even in WWII when the news was nothing but grim, we just had light comedies to lighten the mood. How bad must it be when all of your television and entertainment is just filled with this garbage." The movie never really came off as a comedy, and even less so now.

[@cargumdeu]

Yes to all that, but Niall brought up that Hitler wouldn't have risen without the Communists existing as a quasi-military revolutionary group,vying for power. And a broad understanding of what was happening between 1918-1928 gives the more nuanced reading. I blame France, personally.

[@zebzaman2247]

Gymnasium in English is a sports hall. What you mean is high school. You had history lessons in high school, not the Turnhalle. ;)

[@anatoliypankevych4853]

You had an ally you could lean on back then : Ukraine. But you decided to look other way - so it happened as it happened 😢

[@torstenheling3830]

@@zebzaman2247Gymnasium is college prep school for those of high school age (and maybe a year or two beyond that of an American high school). It bears no resemblance whatsoever to an American high school, which is a joke by comparison.

[@BenX74]

German here. I always struggled to understand how Nazi Germany could come about, but after Covid, I have no more questions. In Germany, we have above-average numbers of people who turn into monsters when they are afraid. Who are keen on going after outcasts. Who suck up to power. Who are in love with the idea of bringing some other person down and being hailed for it by society. If "the situation" calls for perfection and you step out of line, these people will come after you like hyenas.

[@rosc2022]

What you describe is not limited to Germany.

[@HandlesAreStupid2024]

That's just human beings.

[@chrissmith-td3iu]

I was in Germany during the Covid pandemic. It only take a few months for the German people to swallow the propoganda and like a herd they all just followed behind their leader. Many even willing to attack anybody who was unvaxinated while the others said nothing and even encouraged such behaviour behind the scenes. It only takes a few short months and a MSM broadcasting on that topic 24/7. What makes me laugh now is as soon as the media stooped broadcasting about this people went back to normal as if covid even went away. From what I saw is this was the same all over the world, it just takes a few weeks to a couple months to get a population into a frenzy

[@cosimawagner7831]

Same happened in Australia not only Germany.

[@guntherlill7552]

What are smoking?.

[@sabru72]

Man. You hear these things and you realize anew how utterly fragile the human condition is. Almost helpless. And very susceptible to both circumstance and influence. You quickly realize how doctrine can be so powerful. I can see how it can protect from or encourage into extremes.

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@TimBrown-e9l]

Well, this guy in the video does not talk about these facts: Germany experienced the betrayal at the Treaty of Versailles by the Banker Cabal which placed enormous reparation payment requirement on Germany. In addition, the City of London financial district was waging currency warfare against Germany after WWI which exacerbated the Weimar hyperinflation. Hitler rose to power and kicked the Banker Cabal out of Germany which ushered in an economic miracle in Germany during the 1930's while the rest of the world remained in a depression. As a result Judea declared war on Germany when Hitler rose to power. Hitler saw the threat of Bolshevism/Communism coming from the Soviet Union and started building a war machine designed to take out the Soviet Union. The US cold war against the Soviet Union actually started with a hot war initiated by Germany in 1939. By the way, the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 was sponsored by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.

[@TrinkBruder]

3:30 the Nazis took over by vote the Reichstag in March 1933. The Berlin Olympics happened in 1936 and the USA participated. There was plenty of sympathy for racial hygiene from America for the Nazis

[@ClintWestwood-m1l]

"we defeated the wrong enemy".... Patton

[@richardg_9903]

Im sure he doesn't meant the regime of the reich, but the german nation. The Nazis were basicly the german version of ISIS...

[@Rendell001]

I'm surprised Patton said that after his troops liberated Buchenwald concentration camp and he himself visited it on April 15th 1945. He was so shocked that he made the nearby residents tour the camp so they could see for themselves what they'd been a party to...

[@ClintWestwood-m1l]

@@Rendell001 apparently Patton said it because it was soviet Muslim Kazakhstan troops committing rape and incest when they went into Berlin

[@montypython4ever]

Its not like general patton was all there. If you have seen patton (1970) that becomes very clear.

[@Rendell001]

@@montypython4ever there’s a lot of conjecture over Patton’s “accident” at the end of 1945…

[@busfahrer09]

13:40 Is Dr. Ferguson sure that the outcome is the same as he expects? Watching a whole speech might shatter your complete worldview. Hell, even reading "Mein Kampf" and afterwards turning on the news could spiral your whole understanding of the world out of control.

[@Lt_Koro]

obviously I dont agree with the contents of speeches from that time but I do have to say that I love how much passion went into holding them back then. today I feel like 99% of speeches are just god damn boring.

[@Flandernify]

Actually, the German problem happened in 2015. What you are referring to is the Semites in Europe Problem: which is not a German problem. Not only Germans, but Spaniards, Russians, etc. all tried to eliminate them.

[@vidarhjal]

b a s e d

[@nicolem889]

FACTS

[@death2abrahamism]

Actually, the German problem began before WW1 where they introduced death camps when they were a [minor] colonial power in Namibia; it went down between 1904 and 1908. It only took them over a hundred years to acknowledge what they did... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ2XnWNpgr5oiJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYWVf4N3pL2Yic0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oICupoF3mbJ8e6s I guess it'll take a hundred years for these, too.

[@raminrouchi202]

First of all "Semite" is misleading because it lumps in Jews which have nothing to do with the current issue. The "Semites" are the Arab immigrants that....and it's just the way it is....they go to the Netherlands...Denmark...all these tolerant countries and the crime rate skyrockets. These immigrants thank their hosts by raping women and trying to make the nations laws conform to Islamic standards.

[@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg]

My biggest problem with the way WWII is taught is that it is all about the Jews in concentration camps. Nearly nothing else! My grandfather was a communist /anarchist (Im anti-communist but I forgive him as he was born in the 1800s) and he was part of the Paris group of intellectuals of the 1920s. The French put him (and many other anti-establishment types) in a concentration camps outside of Paris and then sent them by train out to the pyrennnes. These camps were built for the Spanish fleeing the civil war (horrible what the French did!!) and then people like my grandfather went there. Later they were for the Jews. However all we hear about is the Jews and concentration camps!!! Unbelievable.

[@freeroamer9146]

A great point made. I thinks also one must keep in mind that Germany was only one generation removed from imperialism. The idea of entrusting your future to one man was not something foreign, it was in fact still considered by many to be quite the norm!

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

Do you think Netanyahu’s Amalek speeches to a traumatized public is a problem?

[@freeroamer9146]

​@@AllOtherNamesUsed No, I think you are.

[@truetory6231]

Except it was NOT just one man, the German Empire was a collection of several states each ruled by its own King, Prince or Duke, the kaiser could have never taken Germany to war without the consent of each of these state rulers who according to the 1871 constitution still had a significant amount of power in the reich. This system was designed to mimic what took place in the Holy Roman Empire where the emperor remained on the throne only so long as he could maintain the support of the monarchs of the constituent states. What Hitler did WAS foreign to Germany because he all but abolished the states and centralised authority, that was entirely unprecedented in German history

[@AllOtherNamesUsed]

@@freeroamer9146 why?

[@christofincognito4530]

They never talk about Weimar, they never tell you which books were burnt.

[@supersami7748]

The main problem ( which has been repeated 100’s of times over the decades) was the treaty of Versailles. The British and French finally saw the opportunity to cripple Germany by blaming them solely for WW1. As so many historians have stated it lashed the groundwork for WW2 and Hitler (or someone very much like him) to whip up a national frenzy.😊

[@3112-x9r]

And then the British & French declared war on Germany to start WW2.

[@skaarphy5797]

Weird how this isn't mentioned by these two "intellectuals", isn't it.

[@robforskinstein]

Juden Peterstein won’t mention it.

[@winoodlesnoodles1984]

History is repeating itself. The Ukraine war is basically WWIII. It is just in eastern Europe instead of western Europe. Following WWI, the war is about 18-24 months from a treaty that will cause WWIV in about 30 years. WWIV will be this centuries equivalent of WWII. The problem with that is nukes were used in WWII. Basically, there is a real chance humanity doesn't see the end of this century. I'm not predicting the end of Earth, just humanity wiping itself out or at least reducing itself back to the stone ages.

[@H.D-x7d]

Spot on and nuff said. But for a british historian this is of course not important as it would mean that the fantastic brits and french would have a responsibity as well.

[@ML-un1gr]

Studying history can be problematic, given that history is written by the victors, so you only ever get one side of history. I learned this first hand, having been fed the 'western' version of the Vietnam war and about how the Americans were the heroes and the Vietnamese were the violent bad guys. Then I visited Vietnam and went to some tourist outlets, including war museums, and saw a completely different side of the story. Hard to get true history really.

[@itsmatt2105]

This researcher looked EVERYWHERE but in the right place for the answer to why the Jews but no other nationality/ethnicity were the main subject of Nazi attack and genocide. Germany invited a bunch of Russian Jews into Germany in the later half of the 1800's. The Russian Jews were about to be pogromed and Germany had a big area of fertile farmland and nobody to farm it. So they brought the entire group of Jews in, gave them land, farm implements, livestock, gave them, access to capital, just really set them up royally. The Jews worked hard and thrived and Germany benefitted from having this productive group of people in it's economy. Fast forward to WWI and trench warfare. All the combatant nations had been bled white by the fighting. They'd spent all their treasure, killed a bunch of their young men, all the available allies had been brought in, things were at an absolute standstill and nobody had any additional resources to throw at the war. There was no winner, country boundaries had barely moved, everybody was prepared to go home and lick their wounds. Along came the Zionists. (Jews rebuilding their nation in the land of Israel) They told England, "you are in charge of the land of Israel. If you will give us a homeland in Israel after the war is over, we will give you the ultimate ally (The US, which hadn't entered the war up to this point) which will guarantee that you win this war." England agreed, the Zionists (which included the Rothschild family) used their connections in the US Jewish diaspora to agitate for the US to enter the war, which it did and Germany, instead of going home, poorer but basically intact, ended up badly losing the war which led to them being ass-raped by the treaty of Versailles. The treaty of Versailles was intended to and succeeded in completely plundering and destroying Germany's economy. The German people said "we took Jews in from Russia in their darkest hour of desperate need, we set them up handsomely, treated them extremely generously and how do they repay us? By working with our enemies to help defeat us which has lead to our current terrible circumstances." The Germans at that point had a very legitimate reason for hating the Jews but that was just strike one. Strike two came during the depression in the 1930's. German people weren't just starving, they were starving to death. There was so little food and nobody had much money to buy what little food there was. Enter the Jewish pawnbrokers. Many German families had valuables that had been in the family for many generations. Land, houses, jewelry, their grandfather's gold pocket watch, etc. The German citizens were so desperate for food, they started offering to sell their family heirloom valuables. But nobody had any cash money to buy them, even at ridiculously low prices. But the Jewish pawn brokers had access to outside capital, usually via family connections. They had cash money and were buying up everything in sight not at pennies on the dollar, but at fraction of a penny on the dollar. Not only that, if you showed up and said you wanted $3.00 for what everyone knew was a $1,000 piece of jewelry or the family farm, the Jewish pawnbroker would refuse you and force you to take $2.00 or $1.00. What choice do you have? You, your children and your wife haven't eaten for days or a week and starving to death is right upon you. You can't own a watch if you're dead, might as well take the $1.00. This was a huge strike two. The Germans took the Russian Jews in in their hour of starkest need and here the Germans were, roles reversed, in their hour of starkest need and the Jews, instead of sharing the German's fate as fellow citizens, the Jews were not only eagerly and shamelessly plundering their benefactors, they were twisting the knife by forcing the prices even lower and daring the people not to take the lower offer. "I'll buy it from you now for $1.00 or I'll buy it for $.25 when you're dead in a couple weeks, makes no difference to me." Now do you see why the Germans hated the Jews? The ass whooping that was the holocaust didn't just fall out of the sky, it was very much brought on by the Jews themselves. Not saying what the Jews did justified the genocide but the Germans didn't hate the Jews for no reason, they had very good reasons to hate them. And Hitler used this hate to great effect. Reply

[@historybuffer3912]

You assume that all Jews in this period between the wars were wealthy. This is not true. There were plenty of poor Jews starving alongside the Germans. I understand your anger but would it not be better directed against the financial, amoral , transnational elites of all nations?@@itsmatt2105

[@davidsimpson9647]

​@@itsmatt2105Yes ABSOLUTE fact but Hitler's greatest mistake was to invade Soviet Russia. If he had concentrated in building up Germany militarily and economically,he could then have helped anti Bolshevik Russian organise a coup against Stalin. An allied Russia and a Germany free of Jews could have worked together to create a Europe free of Semite influence.

[@TreatzTMA]

@@itsmatt2105so obviously we can’t take your assertion that Jewish pawnbrokers “brought the Holocaust onto themselves” to paraphrase, on face value. Even if every single Jewish pawnbroker was the caricature of evil (and we’ve seen those ugly caricatures), what about the multitude of German Jews who were proud to be German, none of which mattered come the escalation of antisemitism? Those that were doctors (Hitler’s family doctor as a child was Jewish), medal award winning soldiers, etc? The problem, which echoes down to today’s politics, is dehumanization. Hitler spared his aforementioned family doctor from the Holocaust because he was a “good Jew”. But the rest get blanketed as gouging opportunists undermining their society. Then it picks up steam politically and takes on a terrible life of its own. Btw referring back to the video, Naziism as a response to Bolshevism absolutely makes sense. You saw that repeatedly at the beginning of WW2 as invading Germany was often welcomed by nations literally dying to be out from under Stalin’s thumb.

[@livingthejourney8833]

@@itsmatt2105 "...Not saying what the Jews did justified the genocide..." You pretty much did.

[@helgaioannidis9365]

I think what's rarely discussed is how the Balkan wars with lots of ethnic cleansing going on and then the genocide of the Armenians and Greeks in Turkyie in 1922 kind of normalised the extinction of other ethnicities in Europe, because there was a peak in nationalism throughout Europe due to the fall of two important colonial powers: Turkyie and Austria.