Evolution, Religion, and Happiness | Dr. Gad Saad | EP 377

[@jesseray180]

Dr. Peterson, I want to thank you from the depths of my soul. I recently overcame a 10 year long opioid addiction, with this last year being a catatonic fentanyl zombie. Your videos saved my life! Your words gave me the courage to face my demons and by the grace of God I won. I don't know if I could have done it without your wisdom, and I am truly humbled and grateful for every word.

[@jesseray180]

Please keep doing this work. We are in dark times, but hope is on the horizon and you are life's most brilliant beacon.

[@jebediahslims9676]

@@jesseray180 congrats on your achievement! you owe it to your self to be the best version of you. You are a complete badass for overcoming your struggles. Best of luck in the future!

[@margaretrapponotti]

Your words and your victory over darkness which threatens to take over my grandson. I love that you won. Satan and his followers will be after you to subject you again. Faith and Our Heavenly Father will hold you up. Stay Strong! I wish I knew you personally

[@margaretrapponotti]

Your words give me hope (left that out of previous reply)

[@jesseray180]

@@margaretrapponotti its been almost a month, and I'm still doing well. Life has been challenging. I really dug myself in a pit. But I am grateful to even be alive so everything is a win after that.

[@stephenoni2019]

met Dr Saad once in Montreal; he was with his family walking home after grabbing food. I was so shocked; his daughters were laughing at me for being star struck at their dad. He took a picture with me. That was one of my favorite experiences in Montreal.

[@dibradshaw9968]

❤❤❤

[@duterimbere2012]

As a scientist with a degree in ecology and evolutionary biology, this discussion is a dream come true! I appreciate the hard work of these two intelligent gentlemen!

[@RenegadeContext]

More scientists need to speak on this. Plenty of doctors do but people don't realise that doctors aren't scientists. As someone who has dealt with a lot of doctors my experience is that they are some of the least scientific people I've met

[@pcka12]

​@@RenegadeContextyou mean 'registered medical practitioners', courteous title 'Doctor'?

[@rodchung173]

😊

[@RenegadeContext]

@@pcka12 well I hardly mean doctors of philosophy

[@jasonburrow4551]

@@RenegadeContext lol

[@Butterfly-t6d]

Dr Saad is the kind of intellectual that I love. He’s so generous and kind, I never miss a chance to watch him on KZbin. Thank you Dr Peterson for sharing this wonderful interview.

[@ronaldchadwick684]

Dr gad Saad is a loyal friend of Jordan Peterson since he first got embroidered in the gender pronoun mess, and sided with Jordan against the government manipulation and pressure to conform to nonsense

[@WmsEnergy]

More life-affirming brilliance. We are so blessed to have lived in this time when Dr Peterson and Dr. Saad became a lifeline of sanity and moral accountability.

[@SM-bu9bz]

I'm just a middle-aged pleb, I do have to say, these are my favorite two intellectuals. I've never gone to college but used grit and stubbornness to do quite well in my life. My interaction with most college educated people, including some professors at Yale, has left me ultimately unimpressed. Sure, they are brilliant in their fields, but anything outside of that expertise leaves them stumbling through the dark like deaf mice.These two over the past 6-7 years, however, have thoroughly impressed and enthralled me. I literally become fascinated in all of their thoughtful discussions and cannot consume enough. Thank you both !

[@sophiagraff4263]

You made me read twice to catch your meaning. Excellent description.

[@donoimdono2702]

I'm inclined to agree with your overall sentiment regarding the "highly educated." But I have discovered that part of the reason for their seemingly less circumspect knowledge is from the necessity of keeping pace of advancing knowledge their own field. But then again, I currently work in the healthcare industry. Even if the "new thing" isn't always the new cure, there is still so much to sift through it leaves less time for other things.

[@boudicca272]

As a middle-aged pleb myself that also loves to continue listening & learning, I greatly appreciate your comment.

[@flappyturtlesnatch]

Definitely check out Thomas Sowell if you like these 2. He was my intellectual gateway drug

[@klnrklnr4433]

you don't respect educated people... except these 2 because they fit your narrative. ok then lol.

[@perfectifmelancholy]

To see Dr. Peterson back on his A game and the conversations emerging in the last month or so is sincerely renewing my hope for the future of humanity.

[@martino8114]

The moment I discovered Jordan back at the start of his troubles I knew he was a godsend a real gem that will make a difference and he has and still is

[@kenthazara5477]

Religious people are gullible and/or Crazy.

[@JonMurray]

You people are completely delusional.

[@goyim6866]

2023 conservatism: conversations with atheists juice?

[@elektrochava]

He is definitely not on his A game these days. He is repeating the same point over and over and only interviewing people who agrees with him/that he is sure he can convince or increasingly, dimwhit conservatives. Too bad, he had a good run in the beginning

[@Madmouseanon]

Always nice seeing men talk about things that actually is worth talking about.

[@ED0GGYO]

Thank you Jordan and Gad for having this conversation with us. I very much appreciate both of your insightful words.

[@merriehogle]

I’m glad KZbin led me to Dr Peterson. Then today my new man of truth. I’m an older woman in the US. My family immigrated from BC Canada. I want to compliment you both with the best words as you impress me so. It is written let your yes be yes you know the rest. So I say YES to supporting your desires for more informed citizens will sound off. I have wanted to nudge Dr Peterson from my experience as a Christian. Think eternally and be present in the now. It’s truly a joy to see you in action. Thank you for being 🎶🤟🏼🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@trevorlinkton9047]

This is an absolutely fascinating topic. While being raised by a stout catholic family, i was 'blessed' with the leeway to be a free thinking individual. My brothers and i were allowed to freely join the belief or not. My dad would love this conversation

[@brianct7801]

Extremely envious. I probably would have avoided years of misguided rage had my parents granted me the same freedom. You're very, very lucky.

[@Adrian_Estando]

Maybe your dad had no respect for the hypocrisy and corruption of the Catholic Clergy the way my dad did.😊

[@stephane184]

@@BlessThisPlanet I recall an exorcist priest asking the question to people, "at birth, who do you belong to?"... answers given, parents and God. The real answer is the devil. We are born into original sin, separated from God through the sin of Adam. Through the sarament of baptism, we are restored in God's family and become His children.

[@radagast7200]

My life was very similar. My grandparents were very devout catholics. I was a sh*tty antitheist with a loud mouth, and they never once held it against me. I really wish I could talk to them about how much I've changed... Maybe I will, if they end up being right...

[@radagast7200]

​@stephane184 you ever read any of C.S. Lewis' Screwtape letters?

[@almaguapa-sailboatliveaboa440]

I’ve met Gad back in late ‘80 when he was at Mcgill Math-Computer Science. He’s a deep and highly critical thinker. He’s a character. And he’s a cool guy. ✌️

[@martino8114]

Never met him but I agree because I feel like I know him just from social media

[@cipher01]

​@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8bot

[@eladentopistevo]

Good thing with these high quality conversations is that you can watch it again and understand even more of the body of the issues talked about!

[@johnmalcolm3116]

Yes very true its like watching a great movie again pick out nuances

[@cwg9238]

the most entertaining part was the kitty tie

[@ShieldMaidenFL]

Such an adult, intellectual, informative & thought provoking conversation. Admire these two men. Plus I’m very happy to know the definition of a “sneaky f’er”. 😊

[@grannyannie2948]

I hope you can keep that persona going when you find yourself married with four kids.

[@jupitermoongauge4055]

Delusion right wing conmen. Both as disgusting, sociopathic and motivated by greed and narcissism as each other

[@shoshastark]

😂😂😂

[@OpenHLZFocus]

Chic! Beautiful tie with cats 🙂 when chatting with the biologist friend. And the best thing is the content of the talk! 👍🦞😻THANKS.

[@bitcoin1583]

Ces discussions sont une nourriture de l'âme tellement rare et pourtant indispensable, merci d'être si précis dans le choix de vos mots avec une ambiance de mansuétude et d'écoute mutuelle propre à un vrai échange intellectuel.

[@shoshastark]

It's like listening to a symphony that plays to all facets of life.

[@j21079041]

About halfway through this interview, I realized the answer to Dr. Saad's question to Dr. Peterson's, on why Jordan Peterson is more controversial. Once Dr. Saad explained that he's not religious, that's the answer right there. The war that we face in this world is a spiritual war and they won't attack those that deny God, nearly as much as they as those that proclaim the one true God.

[@anonymous-it4uh]

bingo

[@jeffkarshner875]

Wow .....I would have to agree with that statement .....how fun is that ?

[@Nic-om4oz]

Yup

[@grannyannie2948]

I agree. We live in societies where every abomination to God is legal and glorified. Or simply evil times.

[@natemissin3893]

Amen

[@ZonarosaSmith]

These two are heroes. Truly courageous and honest when so many aren’t.

[@martino8114]

Their souls and integrity are in tact….that’s for sure

[@tensevo]

i think they go to pains to explain, that you just need to know what to be fearful of, and people are not to be feared.

[@bunsw2070]

Gad Saad did an interview with Nassim Taleb that he posted on his channel a few months ago where they both complained that if anti-vaxxers would have just worn masks and gotten the Covid gene therapies the pandemic would have been over in no time and almost nobody would have died. Both assumptions are anti-scientific in the extreme and Gad Saad has removed the video from his channel. Is that the behavior of an honest person?

[@bunsw2070]

@@martino8114 Are you high?

[@martino8114]

@@bunsw2070 LOL N o why

[@defaultytuser]

I could listen to these two all day. The Gadfather's chill, almost DGAF demeanor and Jordan's commited seriousness make for a very enjoyable dynamic.

[@ericlawrence9060]

Just wow. I learn so much every time i listen to JBP. Prolly 20 new things learned in the first half. Still watching. How many people watch these discussions of his once carefully, then sleep on it a few days then rewatch to really sink it in. It really takes 2 watches with a 3 to 10 day rest between them to really drill in the concepts. I loved his college lecture series. OMFG. It really was the thing that made me think that KZbin was the next television.. Long form idea discussion is essential to develop cognition to the next level.

[@klnrklnr4433]

prolly? maybe learn how to spell?

[@ericlawrence9060]

@@klnrklnr4433 Like when your name KlnrKlnr is said twice... it is like you are re-peating ('re) Klinr a second time making you a ReKlinr and i used Klnr as short for cliner to make that statement like a joke thing. I use a truncated word as a kind of cute shortcut for probably as I don't like that word (probably) and never have it is full of Bably(e) - Pro-Babbley and is sounds like bible all of which is nonsense and full of jibberish. I hope that is a complete answer to a complex question buried underneath a question that you did not actually ask, but at least you can be assured from this rapidly typed out answer that my mind and spell checker are both up to the 2nd grade proficiency known as spelling. :)

[@klnrklnr4433]

lol, ok then eric.@@ericlawrence9060

[@shoshastark]

​@@klnrklnr4433 Maybe learn to be polite.

[@purpleflame334]

Just wonderful, intelligent and thought provoking conversation of great minds!

[@lashropa]

When the world get too weird, I can always count on you two. Seeing you together is pretty much a major cultural event every single time. I think so, anyway. Upwards. 👍

[@michaelkoethner7056]

The title "forced" me to open this video immediately, and as expected it turned out to be much better than what I initially had expected it to be. Excellent conversation. This is what the human community should be talking about in order to start to understand what is really going on here on this planet. I also grew up in a family environment in which we were encouraged to free thinking. My dad would also have loved to listen to this conversation. Thanks for that and please do more like this one.

[@louisetaylor2131]

It is the strong men who remain standing through adversity that really make a difference to the world around them

[@Grigray80]

What a breath of fresh air listening to these 2 great Canadians speak some truth and common sense. Gives me some hope for this broken country!

[@cailancook9720]

You two are phenomenal role-models & set a high-standard for a sense of humour. Adored this conversation, thank-you gents 💙

[@glassladder7973]

Beautiful dialogue. Committing to hard work, being loving, family devotion, humor, following your interests, living an honest life with a solid moral compass and listening to God are all examples of living in truth. Can't wait to read the new book on happiness!

[@tuseroni6085]

was it a dialogue? i feel like it was mostly dr peterson talking with gad saad only getting in a few words every now and then.

[@jiwoo-k]

Jordan Peterson and Gad Saad are amazing scientists and great thinkers. Thank you Jordan for all that which you taught me over the years, and thank you for making the best case for the people that are on God's side, Jews and Christians alike; I have always appreciated that to a great extent. We love you so much here in Israel.

[@--LZ---]

בהחלט אוהבים, עם כל המאות שעות של מידע שמוצג בצורה מעולה וקלה להבנה, ועוד עם אישיות וחוש הומור. חבל שלא מספיק אנשים מכירים אותם, חברה טובים.

[@yannislaurin5438]

Not at all

[@klnrklnr4433]

god's side lol.

[@MrElliptific]

Such a high level of integrity and courage. Thank you for all the sacrifices you make for the rest of us. ❤❤❤💯

[@hlangananimdibi4670]

I got saved by you Dr Peterson. I was embroiled in drugs and alcohol in university cowering away from the suffering that comes with carrying responsibility I had to face to grow. With his content I grew up and today I am close to marrying, building a home and taking back my kids that I had previously abandoned. I am now carefully facilitating or allowing God to facilitate something approximating a relationship with him. I'm speaking from South Africa. I cannot thank you enough.

[@FilDoyon]

Great conversation between 2 of the best men of the current time. Love both of you. Thanks to you. Thanks for everything you're doing guys.

[@rhokor4985]

I'm so glad you had Dr. Saad on again, brilliant! Two of the greatest thinkers of our time.

[@SNH1305]

Both are very honest, not beating around the bush and dissecting each other arguments with nuance and polite yet contrast counter-argument, man, this kind of thing was normal, but nowadays it is looked down by most and regarded as cowardice while the reality is people just don't want to comprehend the discussion and wanted low resolution smear campaign disguising as debate.

[@WHITEBOYSICK]

Maybe of all time...

[@Christopherurich33]

I gotta thank you again Jordan Peterson I've been watching and following your content for over a year and I know you hear this alot seriously your work has helped me so much I could never afford too go too a Dr or get medication then after all this I realized I don't need any of that you my good Sir have brought a new game too this field too do what most thought couldn't be done thanks too your amazing work and grace of God I've been able too get a control on my emotional behavior and actions

[@JordanBPeterson]

:) :)

[@HappytreeLuis]

What a sweet exchange. 😄

[@schizophrenicenthusiast]

"Sneaky fuckers" is a genius term, completely on point. Great conversation; Peace from Lebanon.

[@colleengordon1863]

What a true JOY it is to listen to such a highly intelligent and insightful conversation. Thank you so much, gentlemen!!

[@gtx332]

Dr Sadd is such a pleasant , and charismatic man. Love Dr Peterson too, completely different personality.WE are Bless to have these two men sharing their knowledge with us.

[@Epicurus0]

(0:00) Coming up (0:27) Intro (1:06) Courage is a rare virtue (5:04) The Parasitic Mind (7:50) A Darwinian competition of ideas (9:00) Left wing authoritarianism, the Dark Tetrad (13:55) Evolutionary epistemology (15:52) Morphological predictors of authoritarianism (17:35) The Sneaky F***ker Strategy (19:41) Comparative psychology, the lobster (20:44) Why is Dr. Peterson so polarizing? (27:23) What predicts risk-taking and courage? (30:25) Experiencing tyranny first hand (37:04) Elijah, the highest animating principle (44:17) The case against the supernatural (49:23) The evolutionary argument for religion (53:06) Jonah, what characterizes the prophetic tradition (59:34) How your heritage shapes you (1:02:56) DNA repair, genetic axioms (1:06:36) Axiomatic versus fundamental truths (1:10:00) Lebanon, Dawkins, contradictory belief systems (1:14:43) Nomological networks, your senses are “not real enough” (1:19:59) The man in every romance novel (1:20:57) The correlation between religiosity and happiness (1:24:12) The state of play, and the antithesis of tyranny (1:27:30) Finding the right spouse (1:29:50) Moderation, regret, and inaction (1:33:40) How to keep yourself in check in the age of Twitter (1:37:45) The spirit of play profoundly deepens your relationships (1:39:57) Why Dr. Saad wrote a book about happiness

[@kahlforpresident9843]

I liked how y'all showed the book when they were mentioned

[@youbigtubership]

Thankyou.

[@roman111117]

I'm inclined to help him attain citizenship elsewhere

[@jph2856]

thanks, I've heard a lot of this before

[@knockda887]

Thx but I'm watching it all

[@chadofamerica]

Legendary duo, doing God's work gentleman I've no doubt these gentleman have improved countless lives, mine among them Thank you for your work and courage

[@YuyiLeal]

Authenticity is the pillar of this new epoch we are entering... and people who are authentic are maximally attractive - deceit and manipulativeness, and twisted intentions will be the most repelling traits, no matter what status or other achievements people may have. And many of us now are feeling this so very strongly...so figures like Jordan and Gad are beautiful examples, especially for the new generations, but for everyone, really.

[@biologicalwoman4364]

I hope you are correct! It has become impossible to run from your own hypocrisy today, no matter how much censorship is used in an attempt to gaslight, people are more and more able to see through such manipulations. Unmasking the dark tetrad is integral to increasing humanity's wisdom.

[@ashareeves7282]

Agree. You so eloquently described how being authentic will reign supreme in this world

[@geezerbluesoflondon]

Two words keep coming up these days...wisdom and humility. They are in short supply everywhere. Both of you have displayed both in bucket loads today. Thanks both. Sorry I'm late in saying so.

[@klnrklnr4433]

humility doesn't seem to exist in either of these 2.

[@victorsimpson4487]

Thank you Professor for your discussion with Dr Saad. Great listening to two intelligent men talk about their similar ideas. Cheers from Ottawa.

[@eugenegiovanelli2167]

For me, beside spending time with my beautiful wife and daughters, true happiness is to listen to these two folks. May you both be blessed by all the ten thousand divinities up there or perhaps by the simple human feeling of sincere gratitude! A big big thank you.

[@mohammednadiif6368]

I have never watched or heard more intellectual truth insults in my life!. You guys are both amazing legends.

[@frandriedger8450]

Two brilliant people that make a subject easily understandable for me, a simple, elderly woman! Thank you

[@elliott8339]

Loved the conversation with Dr. Saad. Two great minds speaking bravely and honestly.

[@michaelcronin3620]

It seems rather inevitable that these intelligent minds would cross paths and become friends. What a wonderful dialogue to listen to

[@bonniesarkett3041]

May God give us open doors and the courage to share the Truth

[@terryomalley1974]

Two courageous and brilliant Canadian heroes! I wish you guys would run for office and help save Canada.

[@TheJeanette53]

They’d be no good at politics…imagine two politicians who were always telling the truth!

[@johnsmithers8913]

Great icon!

[@joemccafferty6158]

😊

[@keithboyer3908]

​@@TheJeanette53That line of thinking is why we're in this mess. Why fall to their level? An honest politician who knows how to mingle with people who have no integrity might end up saving the world someday.

[@MsElke11]

Intellectuals are great at communicating, but not necessarily at MANAGING. But then again, TURD is good at NEITHER!!

[@NasserTone]

Who noticed the new "Hollywood Smile" (Veneers) on Dr. Jordan Petersson! It is amazing 🔥& Fantastic content as always!

[@alainjacques4256]

How did you even notice it 😅 But yeah looking great Dr. JP!

[@NasserTone]

@@alainjacques4256 Hahah I like to see all details 😅👍

[@myho-pe8655]

I’m addicted to these highly informative and intellectual interview/conversations! 😅 This was particularly fascinating towards the beginning with their joint analysis of the types of men who incite evil, riots, mayhem, etc.(my words). Keep up the great work of antagonizing the leftist enemies, stirring the pot of ire, and bringing a psychological perspective to so many of our modern issues.

[@buntun3670]

Dr. Gad, Dr. Peterson - we cannot thank you enough for inspiring an entire generation of young men like myself. I wish I had the means to support and expose this education to everyone. We are witnessing the making of what will be considered the greatest of this era in the future.

[@tmstani23]

Courage is rare because often the nail who stands up gets hammered down quickest.

[@Bioren93]

Dr. Jordan , I have been rewatching many of your videos here on youtube and I would incline you to check and compare your thoughts and words from episode 156 in comparison to todays episode and see your significant journey towards accepting The truth. I would even say Dr.Gad is at this point in the place you have been and some of his argumentations and critics to faith are similar to yours from back then. I feel joy to see you have come so far.

[@kellybrown7671]

Just arrived here. It has made my day to see my two favorite Docs. together again. Much love and respect to you both!

[@asgeirloftsson]

I have so much strength from Mr. Peterson i could cry, i see a person who how can just state the obviouse is the earnest character you could know.

[@gustavaberg8908]

I am a fan of your work, Jordan. I am also a lost tribe of Israel. It makes me Saad to be Gad on your podcast, Jordan. Best regards from I to you Dr. Peterson!

[@blessedly4499]

This is amazingly spot on! Great episode as always Dr Peterson!

[@AlexyMiryMir1984]

Power couple! Thank you both for bringing back the meaning to us🙏🏼

[@thiago_590]

One thing that keeps coming to my mind and kind of aligns with Dr Gad Saad brings around 17:01, about empathy and body morphology is the relation people stablish with suffering itself. As Jordan has bring over and over, suffering is real. Period. But how we handle that suffering, more specifically how willing we are to accept and endure some suffering or to avoid it, combined with empathy it may be determinant to how we end up positioning on a moral/political scale. I remember a left wing friend saying once "If it's a way to aliviate all kinds of suffering, that's my choice". That stick into my mind as well as when Dr Peterson says "Imagine how much unnecessary suffering we could avoid bringing ourselves and to others", which always makes me think.. if there is such a thing as unnecessary suffering, is there any suffering that is necessary or worth enduring? Anyone not mad would want to aliviate suffering from someone with cancer, but what about the suffering a child feels the first day of school when it doesn't want to be separated from it's mother? Anyone who empathize too much with that child might also suffer and act to stop that at once, bring the child back home and say it's ok not go if does not want to. In other words, if there is too much empathy, any suffering may be seen as an emergency and demands emergency - and probably not suficiently though through - actions. People say mean things? Safe spaces, trigger warnings. Competitions makes loosers sad? No competitions. Can't lose weight? Body acceptance. That's also why I think people really believe they are helping and bringing justice, they want to aliviate immediate suffering as fast as possible, the consequences are handled later. People with body strength clearly can endure some suffering. More than that, are willing to accept that as part of the process. "No pain, no gain". That's why I think farmers are mostly right wing, they deal with nature all the time, they must face and endure suffering and know how much that will be important for their child to do so in order to work and survive. And to teach that, they can not totally give in to empathy to the first sign of a momentary suffering display. Someone empathy/ suffering sensor might be so sensitive that for any sign of annoyance, it is perceived as suffering. On the other way, with low empathy there is a risk that the actual suffering might be too much to bare at that given moment. It's not to say that right wing wants people to suffer all the time with everything life throws. Sometimes to think better strategies to deal suffering in a large scale it is necessary to detach from local individual suffering. If someone is hungry, you may offer them some food, small scale resorces are enough; if an entire city is hungry, yes they all need food, but more than that it needs systems to enable feeding everyone, and to build such systems and keep it working it requires some people to detach from that immediate suffering. In general as we live and grow, there are also these two contradicting common sense, 1: that we want things to be easier for next generetions, so that they don't need to suffer the same way we did, and 2: younger generations need some suffering to learn important lessons, again resembling the two suffering dealing ways. OBS: of course, this is taking into account the good willing people on both sides, not mentioning psycopaths /sociopaths.

[@brianhawes3115]

Very good analysis, I’m a woodworker and in my daily struggles a certain amount of suffering is recognized as a window to the transcendence of the suffering, a suspended belief on a daily basis, and a sense of playfulness makes any suffering almost necessary in anticipation of a revelation in reality

[@thiago_590]

​@@brianhawes3115 I think that when we learn we can endure a new type or amount of suffering it gives is confidence, joy, sometimes we reach that transcendence you talk about. On the movie "the persuit of happyness", the ending would have no meaning without the previous suffering. Like the movie states, happyness is not a state, is that brief moment, the instant when it all aliviates. Some could argue that in the movie there were a ton of unnecessary suffering displayed that some people face every day and I would certainly agree. But unnecessary or not, it is a story of someone who could handle it. I think that's why the hero's journey echoes so much: we suffer, we know we are going to suffer at any moment and there are some who learn how to deal with it and we want to embody that hability as well.

[@midmomom2490]

Farmers here…and that was well said! If only more understood this! God bless the farmer 👩‍🌾 & us all!

[@Volkbrecht]

The problem with learning to endure necessary, helpful levels and modes of suffering is, as with a lot of areas of character development, that it is mostly not under the control of the individual. We get brought up by parents and society, and during our formative years a lot of us get stuck in a situation that is not conducive to develop to the best possible result of our natural talents. This is especially true for above intelligent people in urban environments. No real physical hardship, and not much challenge in the school setting, that is necessarily tuned to accomodate the average to lower IQ ranges. But once that fuck-up has manifested in a personality that is not used to facing hardship, it is near impossible to turn around for some. Even understanding full well where you are and what you would need to take on yourself to develop in a good direction may not be enough to enable such a person to adjust themselves. Because they never had to face strain, it feels highly uncomfortable to take it on voluntarily while there are still conceivable ways of getting by. So they weasel on, and come up with crazy ideas like body positivity (which, like so many leftist mind viruses, started out as a very reasonable concept before being hijacked and translated into "it's okay to be a pig"). The only real way out of this is the exact opposite of the way our society is going: community. Having well-meaning people around you who challenge you, who, as they say, "take you under their wing", who help their fellow humans realizing their potential. Who may even push you further, when they see that you outgrow their potential. This is how you make people experience feelings of accomplishment, of trusting in their own ability to take on hard tasks. And also how you teach them how to bear suffering. By making them realize that hard work is hard for you, too, but you take it on anyway because of the rewarding results that wait at the end of it. Basically the tribe compensating for the lack of good parenting.

[@robinp2039]

Do you think there’s a difference between suffering and discomfort? Suffering has no foreseeable end (cancer) and it’s compassionate to alleviate it; discomfort is temporary (first day of school) and it will build some kind of character/strength, to alleviate it is actually a disadvantage. Just a thought.

[@Superbonker-np6iz]

It is so refreshing to watch two super intelligent human beings discuss ideas from the standpoint of honesty and integrity. Super conversation. I can't get enough of it.

[@dibradshaw9968]

Talking about speaking the truth and being unable to hold back, you guys are speaking my language! I'm not anywhere near as educated as you both, but I can't keep my mouth closed and tend to jump in and speak the truth but it has alienated me from almost everyone I know. They are those who clap at the lies ...

[@ilankiselstein7532]

You are both brilliant in thought and in cooperation. I loved your ideas and interactions. God bless you both!

[@dgunn2817]

Listening to these two amazing minds wrapped in these two amazing people is amazing.

[@christopherwoodjr235]

This was an absolutely excellent conversation. Stimulating and thought provoking.

[@marilynmasonis376]

I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate these intellectual, thought provoking conversations. What a treat.

[@homownerjoe]

I hope that Gad being a part of Jordan's "re-training" will help to instill that air of happiness and inner peace into Jordan as he continues to spread difficult truths. I've seen Dr. Peterson's patience run empty and his anger raise. This does not help in having yourself listened to. If Jordan can start treating the actions of his detractors and his responses as a game, I think he will have great success. Great video, great interview. Many thanks to Gad and Jordan 🙏🏻

[@paulhornbogen980]

Dr. P. As a fellow clinician, your no bs approach is spot on. You are so damn right when people hold a totalrin belief, then they have control. Talk to folks who have lived in places like Cuba under Castro. Freedom will always win. Keep doing what your doing.

[@randonolso]

A true powerhouse of collaboration and discussion here between two of the great minds of our time - what a treat. Cheers!

[@psteffas]

Two of my most favorite Canadians! Stimulating as always. Love you guys!

[@zaphods2ndhead193]

Two great men whom I consider role models having a great conversation. Salute.

[@TheProhypno]

Courage is a form of love. These two humans are very loving and lovable.

[@7upac]

i first found out about dr peterson through gad saad. i owe a lot to these two wonderful canadians

[@simoneweidinger]

I first learnt about Jordan Peterson in Gad Saad's podcast 6 or 7 years ago. It's nice to see how successful both of them have been since.

[@lynettestarkweather2351]

Where two or more are gathered...I pray that thousands more are drawn. Thank you and may you both continually speaking the truth and shredding the dystopia of the world. With grace and in Love, I do Pray🙏🕊️

[@MarleneWalker-su8ku]

To achieve something worthwhile men need, balls , brains and integrity.Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes but Peterson and Saad, have those three essential qualities.Their voices and those of other similar men and women are essential in these times of great danger, but equally great opportunity to stand up and be counted.

[@soodankistan3863]

Naturally bingeing on Peterson lectures since 2018

[@reign7191]

A timely discussion..which was appreciated.. thankyou to both speakers. A mirror of reflection indeed.

[@Hammid]

Bless Gad Saad’s soul.

[@dinashufaniya3921]

What can I day besides WOW WOW WOW..... could listen to them for hours on end... Great minds great personalities great human and humane beings, courageous, honest, deep, interesting.... two of the most worthy people, worth listening to. both have long been my Heroes, relentlessly doing the good work, thank you both so, and WOW indeed❤❤

[@roberttietjen5012]

Two gifts to the world! Thank you both for speaking the truth 🙏

[@joshmiller4152]

OUTSTANDING INTERVIEW! LOVE WATCHING TWO GREAT MINDS PARUSE CONCEPTS IN TANDEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE REST OF US!

[@AmritBirdi]

Good to see these two in conversation again 👌🙏🏻

[@thomasnihil4878]

It's been a long time but this duo did not disappoint. Cheers.

[@audreybee2410]

Jordan, I’ve only missed a handful of episodes in months! I love watching and listening to each one of your videos. I really loved the Douglas one recently and also the telegraph interview. I’ve never seen a person grow so much and you started out big too. Also, I knew you were funny but when I saw you in Cincinnati it was amazing. Thank you for enriching my life and the lives of my family so much!

[@shoshastark]

Nobody can have a better grasp of the English language; brillian vocabulary. Jordan is a genius. I absolutely love GS. He is so calm, classy, and brilliant.

[@thedysfunktionals5953]

This is gonna be a great video. Two of my favorite intellectuals together on discussion. These discussions from them and a few others are the modern day Socrates, Plato and Aristotle discussions. We need these to get us back on track to our western philosophy origins. It’s sad to see how far we’ve veered off.

[@juergenernst1320]

Thanks for the amazing conversation. Gad has a disarming smile, always, and while he may be possessed by the same passion for truth and freedom, he comes across more smoothly, less stern and irritable if not less angry and probably strikes the haters as less arrogant and more agreeable, even if he is not. Let's just say his personality appears to make for an easier entry into topics one might initially not fully understand or agree with.

[@Doutsoldome]

It was precisely through that first interview, years ago, with Gad Saad, whose channel I already followed, that I discovered Peterson and began to watch some of his recorded lessons on psychology (but I'm not a fan of Peterson's take on religion, sorry). I'm an academic, too (a physicist), and I find both gentlemen to be wonderful sources of interesting and thought provoking ideas. Thank you both for the great work you've been doing as public intellectuals.

[@dunkel.760]

Totally agree! ( Peterson´s take on realigion )

[@Max-ep5ir]

Which take though? There's quite a few of them.

[@SG_88]

Ah another scientist who documents God's creation and proceeds to deny Him. You need to transcend your intellectualism and accept that the vast majority of Existence can not be measured in the typical modern, materialist way.

[@Kiviuq1000]

@@Max-ep5ir Maybe the analytical 'real-world' implications of religion? That's what I like about his view on religion. I often think of Peterson as the author of "Religion for Dummies as it relates to real world applications. I'm not religious, so maybe that's why I like his analysis of biblical stories.

[@wendyolson7110]

I couldn’t have said it better.

[@ketherwhale6126]

30:34 Jordan has always delved into the depths of analytical psychology in matters and literature. And has been an outspoken lecturer and professor as you can see in his postings always.

[@stephanykelley]

Jordan Peterson has a beautiful mind. Im grateful God blessed him with that gift and he is sharing it with us. Thank you Jordan for Listening to GOD.

[@amelfismartin-wrves3075]

I read The Parasitic Mind a year ago and I highly recommend it. Full of truth and lots of smart laughs.

[@OccamsRazor393]

Yes, great book!

[@RoddyFuhr]

I've got the Gadfather to listen to on both Jordan Peterson's podcast and Joe Rogan's podcast. It's going to be a good day today.

[@jbartmontage6737]

Enjoy 👌

[@c.w.5688]

Oh, this is one of the best conversations! I’m going to order Dr. Saad‘s books :)

[@TheMstrofsinanju]

Several of my favorite people in one spot 👌 Thank you gentlemen.

[@Deliquescentinsight]

I enjoyed Dr Saad's previous book, a wonderful survey of how far Western culture has sunken into the limitations of political correctness and 'Woke' degradation. The degradation of the 'scientific method' into a grant funding competition for which teams get the cream, by supporting the ideas of their paymasters is truly a dangerous and despicable state of affairs.

[@goodyeoman4534]

Both of these men have moral courage in spades.

[@deannacondly3043]

Amazing talk. Loved it. Thanks for making so much sense

[@FunderDuck]

This was an enlightening exchange. Thank you, gentlemen!

[@genesis650]

I love how articulate and harmonious these guys are 😊

[@kristiec1376]

I find great solace in this conversation. So very difficult to find the middle ground in all the topics, yet I do. Thanks to this episode!

[@thecuriouslobster]

JBP and Gad Saad! This is going to be awesome! Putting the kettle on and putting phone on silent! :)