Eternal Truth and the Uphill Climb | Bishop Barron | EP 431

Jordan Peterson sits down with author, speaker, and Bishop of the Dioceses of Winona-Rochester, Robert Barron. They discuss the use of new technologies to interpret and explore religion, the fallacy of self-deification, the spiritual blocks to the flow of grace, and how to stop servicing power and become an orchestrator of peace and love.
Bishop Barron is a #1 Amazon bestselling author and has published numerous books, essays, and articles on theology and the spiritual life. He was a religion correspondent for NBC and has also appeared on FOX News, CNN, and EWTN. Bishop Barron’s website, WordOnFire.org, reaches millions of people each year, and he is one of the world’s most followed Catholics on social media. His KZbin videos have been viewed over 131 million times, and he has over 3 million followers on Facebook.
This episode was recorded on January 23rd, 2024
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(0:00) Tour Info 2024
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(1:15) Intro
(3:06) The implications of AI for the realm of theology and objective meaning
(12:21) AI might lead to the end of postmodernism
(14:00) God as he has been conceptualized then and now, divine proximity
(17:20) Approaching the sacred with humility and love
(24:43) Adam, Eve, and the serpent’s offer
(28:25) Why the garden became the desert
(33:31) Which spirit animates you? The false self gives way to the true self
(39:01) Connecting Job to Jesus
(46:40) Bad theology and how to break through human pride for proper worship
(55:40) The spirit of play, the invitation to bear the cross, and the purpose of Mass
(1:03:11) The power of the mustard seed, the inexhaustible potential of grace
(1:12:39) How wealth is portrayed in the Gospels, setting up your life to be in accordance with your soul
(1:14:39) John Paul II, the true message of the Unjust Steward
(1:18:33) The Binding of Isaac - and why the Bible doesn’t hold back
(1:20:11) What a mother has to sacrifice
(1:23:29) The biological justification for the biblical spirit of reciprocity
(1:34:52) How science presupposes faith, the potential end of the New Atheist movement
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[@primetimeseal8616]

Jordan, you're not going to be disappointed in old age watching the young men you've mentored save the west. We promise

[@ballyantonia]

You dear sweet courageous young man.

[@Anthny1]

Only by God's grace.

[@jeffinrodriguez914]

Amen to that!

[@masondavirro808]

So true brother I’m in London Ontario Canada and plan on doing my part in saving our civilization. ❤️🇺🇸🇨🇦🙏🏻

[@r.a.badilloluna1569]

Just remember, it all starts by setting our home in order. God bless y'all

[@TheLyricsGuy]

I'm a new practicing Catholic after 18 years of atheism, and Bishop Barron is a very important part of my faith.

[@Tomyum19]

Brought me back to Catholicism.

[@Anthny1]

Also a former atheist. God bless you.

[@remi3822]

I love Bishop Barron too! You should check out Father Ripperger next!

[@rosezingleman5007]

Father Ripperger takes you to a whole new level of comprehension.

[@warrio6]

Welcome to faith, brother/sister. I've been a Catholic since I was born (Eastern style), but I've never been closer to God in my 32 years on Earth than after listening to Dr. Peterson. His interpretation of the meaning behind the words in the Bible and the truth of morality in God made me feel much more closer to the Lord than ever before. He's a valuable gift of God to this age to bring people back into faith imho.

[@Meteor_pending]

I'm a simple man, I see Jordan interviewing Bishop Barron, I press like

[@brendamyc3173]

We have to remember there is a fine line between spiritual formation and spiritual abuse. If it uses psychological tricks, gaslighting, and personal attacks it is spiritual abuse. Run from teachers who do that.

[@lisamarieyavarone2362]

Bishop Barron could sit down with my pet bunny rabbit for a chat, and I'd press 'like' :) God bless these two men and may we, in His Mercy, have at least another 20 years of their goodness and wisdom! Peace :)

[@zakkonieczka6811]

Haha that made me feel so basic

[@peterpoznanski7541]

Yes, we have to support the good work even if we don't have all the answers or do not understand issues fully!

[@alexandrabohorquez5384]

So did I!😂

[@crushtheserpent]

Jordan Peterson opened my eyes to the depths of the Bible. Bishop Barron opened my eyes to the depths and beauty of Catholicism. I've been Catholic now 5 months and it's been an immeasurable gift to my life! Catholicism is everything I've been looking for and more. Christ and his Church are truly the 'fulfillment of all desire'!

[@luzclara3855]

Welcome home! 😊❤

[@Myohomoto]

❤❤❤Welcome Home! May Our Lady bless you on your journey with abundant graces.

[@catholicunscripted]

Praise God 🙏

[@danielvalenti8626]

Congratulations! Welcome to the fullness of Christianity!

[@jackobrien930]

Welcome!

[@taylorroberts7949]

I’ve got a feeling I’m about to clean my room so hard.

[@TheAnbyrley]

Mines already clean! I'm starting on the living room now!! Let's goooooooo!!!

[@matthorrocks6517]

It's too hard. I think I'll just take a nap.

[@MMyL7]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@stephenlamley541]

​@@TheAnbyrley same

[@goldilocks913]

You best not be lying😂

[@ImARedeemedBird]

I'm protestant, but I respect Catholics and their faith. We are all united under Christ and may we all grow spiritually.

[@FollowerofJehovahChereb]

May i ask what made you choose to be apart of Protestantism?

[@berwynsigns4115]

​@@FollowerofJehovahChereb If I had to wager a guess, it's simply the branch they were raised in. Just because most people aren't converts.

[@FollowerofJehovahChereb]

@@berwynsigns4115 i mean its possible but i hope not

[@borneandayak6725]

Amen. We Catholic and Protestant need to unite and stand against atheism through theology and philosophy 😊

[@LauraMonge1974]

Amen

[@mattjames9174]

My name is Matt and I'm an alcoholic/addict. In recovery. On going process. Today I celebrate 7 years of sobriety. It can be done. If can do it you can too!

[@triscat]

Congrats! Fellow ex-drunk over here. Glory to God for all things!

[@mattjames9174]

@@triscat I think alcohol is the ideal sacrifice. I did really love to drink. And life has gotten better 10 fold.

[@triscat]

@@mattjames9174 Same. To life!

[@loreman7267]

Well done, brother! 😂

[@pattyhansen7563]

"It works if you work it, so work it, you're worth it" Slogan of my hubby's home group. Proud wife of a friend of Bill W. he is 22 years sober. K.I.S.S - Keep It Simple Stupid - that's their other big one LOL Congrats

[@ClayB05]

Every time Peterson has an epiphany through psychology, Barron is like “Duh. What do you think we’ve been doing over here the last 3000 years?”

[@chanman201]

Yeah. I've also been in the loop. Instead of trying reinevent the wheel I'm learning about what was done previously through the traditions preserved and taught by the church.

[@FreeMan201212]

How is that different from pretention?

[@ClayB05]

@@FreeMan201212 because he wasn’t trying to impress Peterson. Looked like he was actually trying to be charitable in hiding it. But he couldn’t.

[@ScreamingReel500]

You are correct. The deposit-of-faith is passed down. Some might not agree that faith is passed down, but they think it's discovered by individual.

[@FreeMan201212]

I think what is important is to notice when your brain says "That's right" and take a step back to analyze why you agree with the statement on such a deep level. Your paraphrasing vs what Barron actually said is a good starting point, because how you phrase statements gives light into how you think about a subject.

[@kevinbouvy279]

How can anyone be pessimistic for the future when millions of people around the world can hear these two genius torch bearers of truth deliver such profound yet relatable and life changing actionable wisdom for FREE while washing the dishes? The Word will not be defeated!

[@brendamyc3173]

When people rely on cognitive dissonance to teach it has detrimental effects and is an extremely weak thing to do.

[@franciscodanielserranodiaz8773]

I’ve been thinking the same, Kevin. I can see the effect of this God wisdom sharing on me, and feel hopeful that this is happening to many more people. Future is bright ❤ 🕊️

[@javierduenasjimenez7930]

@@brendamyc3173 I think I get what you mean. Can you give an example?

[@OpenHLZFocus]

Really true. 🙏👑👍 Moral quality served with luxury💎 while you wash the dishes!!!🙂🍳 the 21st century has finally arrived!!! 😎

[@javierduenasjimenez7930]

@@brendamyc3173 What are you talking about?

[@jeffdevries8538]

Orthodox here. The highest respect for JP & Bishop Barron. God bless!

[@brendamyc3173]

There is no point to fixing anything if there is no difference between the vocation of secular life and the vocation of religious life. If there is no higher life to aspire to religiously, religious life has suffered a reduction. The only goal they have is the privatization of Catholic parishes into strong clerical families so that they can be supported through family money instead of the usual means. In this way they hope to sway power politically and shatter the authority of the bishops and the pope.

[@RageMagikarp]

​@@brendamyc3173 bro what are you talking about

[@exysness]

Transitioning prot to ortho, finding the catho guy lovely. Praise Jesus!

[@grantv.broussard8595]

Bless you Brother Ortho

[@theologyofthebody2870]

Bishop Barron helped me revert when I caught his Catholicism series on PBS circa 2013. Praise Jesus!!

[@bag2963]

Revert from where? Do you know the history of Christianity?

[@theologyofthebody2870]

@@bag2963 Catholicism

[@theologyofthebody2870]

@@bag2963I was raised Catholic, fell away, and found my faith again bc of Bishop Barron

[@bag2963]

@@theologyofthebody2870 No, I meant in a sense of Descartes, did you reconsider it? Did you actually look? Regarding the Great Schism, the the Orthodox Christianity. I don't know Bishop Barron, but if you are truly looking, I'd suggest to look into Father Seraphim Rose's life, boos, lectures.

[@bag2963]

@@theologyofthebody2870 Are my comments being deleted?

[@FlyingGospel]

Bishop Barron was instrumental in my conversion from hardcore agnostic to hardcore practicing Catholic. God bless you your excellency and thank you for the incredible evangelization work you do.

[@caylonwells839]

@flyinggospel Personal question if you want to answer. Did you have a deist stage before converting to Catholicism? Thanks

[@alonsoACR]

​@@caylonwells839 I'm not him, but I want to note something interesting worth pointing out. Pretty much everyone these days is a deist. Non-practicing Christians believe in a deist God, those of "no-religion" yet "spiritual" assume a deist God, even some of those who do go to church every Sunday have deist beliefs. Very interesting. Deism doesn't survive as an intellectual position for long these days, but it's so incredibly pervasive in American society it's almost suspicious.

[@harpin4God]

@@alonsoACR yes. “I’m spiritual”! What does that even mean? Which spirit??

[@mikedavidson1970]

Dig deeper Baron is fraud on many tenants of faith 😞

[@user-zl4yg7qu3g]

If I return to Christianity, it will be either as a Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox. My biggest hang-ups are eternal, inescapable Hell (and the fact that Ben Shapiro and a lot of really chill people are going there) and predestination to that fate. And from what I've heard the latter is considered a heresy by both denominations.

[@claudiap.6838]

Jordan Peterson and bishop Barron. THE best duo. VERY excited to watch it.

[@ednabrodie6935]

Immensely important discussion and most inspiring.

[@xscaliersolid1194]

I feel like I need to rewatch this with a pen and paper.

[@neongalaxies5622]

I'm going to start doing the same, jokes aside 😂

[@OddswithThings]

My Bible is full of highlighted sections. So much depth.

[@loreman7267]

I'm on my second viewing.

[@neongalaxies5622]

@@loreman7267 this is probably the 4th time I've watched this video

[@JDthegamer209]

This is one of the most profound and enlightening conversations I've ever had the privilege of listening to.

[@Lerian_V]

Hey man. Random ask, please help a brother pay rent. God bless.

[@JDthegamer209]

@@Lerian_V I'll pray for you.

[@thehelper03]

Man, I have a burning desire to.clean my room and repair the relationship with my Dad.

[@americanpatriot7247]

TheHelper - Do it, friend!!

[@gloriahancock998]

Go for it!

[@intheknow9794]

A clean conscience is the best peace.

[@bumblebeejimmy]

Do it, while you still can. Tomorrow is promised to nobody.

[@americanpatriot7247]

TheHelper - Grin..... so far it's 100% for your comment.

[@prestonhall4130]

"Your being increases to the measure you give it away." - Brilliant

[@Chudmander]

I’m a simple Catholic man: I see JP and BB and I click ASAP.

[@hectorlucero10]

Likewise, instant click, instant like.

[@gadsby]

That rhymed

[@borneandayak6725]

Amen

[@berwynsigns4115]

​@@gadsbyNot if you say "ay-sap", like me.

[@thpjmvanbesouw2820]

Just when one thinks that a conversation between Dr Peterson and Bishop Barron has reached a summit, there is an other episode that blows one's mind. Sincere thanks to both for sharing your incredible knowledge and insights.

[@tebubba]

Brilliant conversation that needs shared everywhere. I could listen to Dr. Jordan and Bishop Barron talk for hours.

[@MrJoel9679]

I love how you can tell neither of them are cruising through it. Both are keenly aware of each point. No statement taken for granted.

[@pattikettler9825]

And how amazing the mental and emotional connection. So very special. I wish I had a human I could share ideas with like these wonderful, wise, mindful humans. God Bless you and thank you for sharing your passion fo and love of God and faith.

[@NPC8474]

I thought Jordan should have let Bishop Barron talk more. He made it mostly about himself.

[@hoobyhoo]

Please pray for my 25 yo son. Thank you Dr. Peterson and I really appreciate your touring in America. Your live show was wonderful.

[@kushforthought-8749]

🙏

[@1stdebunker]

I'm praying for your Son. I'm a 23 year old man, perhaps I'll have the opportunity to share in Christ with him

[@patrickrumbu2902]

God bless him & bring him back home & strengthen our faith all 🙏🏿

[@Atreus21]

What's wrong with your son?

[@hoobyhoo]

@Atreus21 nothing is "wrong " with my son. He's struggling and I want prayers for him.

[@CedarRose7]

Ooooo this looks good! Also, I have recently converted to Catholicism after many years of studying theology in a Protestant university and church hopping different denominations.

[@bluecomb5376]

Praise God! Converts are such a gift to the Church!

[@soundscapeproductions9173]

I find it strange that people identify themselves by their denomination instead of simply being a follower of Christ according to the Bible.

[@CedarRose7]

@soundscapeproductions9173 It's more complicated than that, tho. Different denominations have variations of beliefs and traditions. Some contrary to others. Based upon their own interpretation of scripture

[@AJWRAJWR]

​@@soundscapeproductions9173 Us Catholics think it's strange why all Christians don't just follow the Church that Jesus founded. Why do people have to make up their own denominations? 😅

[@sarahgahlon7780]

Welcome home!

[@ras-negusbloomfield8145]

🙏 I seriously HOPE & PRAY that Bishop Barron one day becomes Pope....and then a Saint 🙏

[@catholicunscripted]

Please God 🙏

[@katarzynagowacka4654]

This is my prayer as well.

[@josephposenecker9741]

Jesus is surely shining through at these times. As close I could get to living 2000 years ago.

[@matthewrava2458]

I agree, seems like in a way a second coming of Christ. Not that Peterson is Christ, there is only 1 Jesus of Nazareth, But the spirit of Christ, being embodied, especially in such a dark time as this, Peterson serves a light to the word of God no doubt We know that Jesus is the word, and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us Jesus said, Abraham rejoiced to see my day, he saw it and was glad How did he see Christ? Christ is the word, the word manifest in the flesh, through faith Before Abraham was I AM He was the word that came to Abraham and was manifest in Isaac The same word manifest to the countless multitudes throughout time, through faith ( search the scriptures, in them you think you have eternal life John 5:39 ) Without faith it is impossible to please God We can't even see or know God except through faith, by faith we see him and know him When Christ came 2000 years ago, the church and state were at the peak of corruption, seems a lot like it is now You hypocrites, how is that you can discern the face of the sky but not discern these times? Luke 12:26

[@delishme2]

Great comment !!, I feel my heart aligns with Jesus heart every time I listen to Bishop Barron, he has that effect on me.

[@RoosterT80]

When seeing this, I literally said out loud, “YES”!! As a Catholic, two men I love and respect!!

[@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal]

​@@MichaelBrown-me3bh I would sincerely recommend not trying to be edgy, you come across as bitter

[@tomgreene1843]

Now Michael, that's a rather sweeping assertion.

[@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal]

@@MichaelBrown-me3bh hey man, you're the one attempting to be negative. It reflects badly on you, not the one you're attacking, so keep on with that if you want to

[@joshlovescotch]

So many angry miserable people crawl out of the woodwork when theres a religious guest. I guess misery loves company.

[@joshlovescotch]

@@MichaelBrown-me3bh you're miserable and you're lashing out at others because misery loves company 🙏🏻

[@GM-bc8kg]

MIND BLOWN! I need to study the bible with people like this!

[@mR-dc4oq]

Amen!!! Me too!

[@borneandayak6725]

Amen!

[@delishme2]

Watch Bishop Barron's, Word on Fire videos, even if you start with the shorts, you may find yourself being Red pilled, it's a given. Good luck 😁

[@toolboxtidbits5674]

May I recommend starting with Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 2

[@BC-hb5fl]

@@toolboxtidbits5674 why skip verse 1?

[@annchovey2089]

I’m not Catholic but I love listening to Bishop Barrón.

[@joryiansmith]

This feels like we are on the verge of a very important moment in human history.

[@johnloving9401]

Here's hoping that you are right. I sense, especially following Tammy Peterson joining the Catholic faith at an Easter Vigil Mass last Saturday, that Jordan is trying to figure out how he can most responsibly and best serve his huge audience by including them on his journey down that same path.

[@HadiAleem-qf6sn]

These two seem to be speaking with each other on exactly the same wave-length. Wonderful and insightful conversation.

[@EffySalcedo]

JP & BB tandems so well like PB&J, excellent blend !

[@Lerian_V]

​@@EffySalcedoor BB&J

[@johnloving9401]

The Catholic notion of the necessity of the union of faith and reason.

[@garbatious]

Why aren’t we taught what Bishop Barron beautifully explains about the Catholic tradition on the concept of God and how to follow the true path to living? Why has it got to be Jordan Peterson to eke out his Eminence’s explanations? It’s so sad that as a 55 year old having lived all my life immersed in Catholicism I finally get the answers to a million metaphysical questions on KZbin rather than at church. Bishop Barron life would be much easier especially for the younger generations if these teachings are included in the doctrine of faith. Thank you Jordan Peterson. You are a shining light in a darkened world. A prophet in our midst. Don’t stop telling the truth and quickening brilliant minds and souls to share and teach path to the highest possible good. You and your family are in our prayers. God bless you and keep you strong.

[@mR-dc4oq]

I agree! GOOD question!

[@peacefulheart1431]

At least, you are blessed to get the true message. Remember that the God of Israel is a God of many chances.... it's never too late

[@MrJoel9679]

Bishop Barron addressed this point in the Member Exclusive. Also if you watch Word on Fire he has been agreeing with you for a decade at least. God bless.

[@jethrorooibaadjie1038]

Thanks Prof J

[@TheRealDealDominic]

Church speaks on the readings during the mass. These discussions happen in groups, books, ETC. Two different required scenarios given the event. Also consider the audience needs. There's no excuse, the Church offers different levels of teaching if you wish, each area has its importance. Mass vs entry faith books vs advanced teachings. It's all available to the person wishing to learn

[@LailaJohanna]

Thank you both for this illuminating discussion. As someone who hasn't been able to conceive of myself as an atheist for quite some time, but struggles with some questions and doubts towards embracing Christianity, I really found some answers in this discussion that I was wrestling with and that helped to illuminate my path a few steps further ahead.

[@verntweld51]

Meekness is not weakness , It is Power well controlled.

[@Rocketninja200]

I challenge anyone who's never tried to pray the rosary for a week. Meditation, contemplation, story telling, new perspectives, etc, it has all that and more. Apply all the mysteries to your life and put yourself in the shoes of everyone present in those stories.

[@heatherd4492]

Why should people pray to Mary? Jesus is our intercessor and Savior, the only way to God and he's sent his Holy Spirit. Certainly asking fellow believers to pray for us without worshipping them or elevating them above God who created them is not objectionable, but there is clearly a difference between believers who are in the world but not of it and those who have gone to glory. When Saul has the witch of Endor call Samuel up, he asks why Saul has disturbed him.

[@Adelina-bg3fc]

😊

[@frank2453]

​@@heatherd4492 Why should you ask your brother or sister in Christ to pray for you? If you pay attention to the words of the prayer, that is all we're doing in the Hail Mary "Pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death" Nobody likens her to God. To your other point, that is not a very good comparison. Saul specifically had witchcraft done in an attempt to have mastery over what God alone has mastery over. He tried to communicate with the dead for his own personal gain (or so he thought). Beyond that, doesn't it just make sense to ask the saints and Mary for prayer? They are closer to God than we, and Jesus Himself has shown that He listens to Mary, even though it was not yet His time. He loves His mom, and so do we!

[@Jennyocracy]

"You've got to serve somebody."

[@triscat]

So sayeth our modern prophet, Bob.

[@nicolamustard7232]

So many of these comments make me teary eyed....with joy! Thank you Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron for speaking Truth to the starving hearts and minds of so many! 🙏🏼

[@behailumulugeta5062]

I am ortodox but i love Bishop 🌹

[@betterhappensdaily]

God Bless! I am a Catholic. And I dont know where you stand on the schism but I hope our leaders can reconcile. But I understand if you dont see it that way. Anyways best to you(:

[@triscat]

Orthodox here, as well. I also have a great deal of respect for Barron.

[@marylanser9245]

Me too

[@philotimo19]

I think after dabbling in both, what we need is something like the Catholic faith but in the middle ages. That seemed to be the ideal in terms of traditional theology and bearing the most fruits.

[@roccomezzogiorno9795]

You shouldn't like him. He wouldn't even say to Ben Shapiro that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. He's a shame to the Faith.

[@Sunny-hv7pt]

I'm a Catholic revert from agnostisism. I didn't have the privilege of Bishop Barron having been a part of my revert journey but I'm so glad to hear he has brought so many souls back to the one Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church founded by our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏🏼❤

[@djandymorris1]

What a time to be alive, to have access to great minds and greater concepts for free. Cometh the hour, cometh the men.

[@von_2.0]

Bishop Barron’s Catholicism series is gold. A must watch ❤

[@johnc1225]

These two Men are Box Office when they get together and talk about Faith and God and The Holy Bible. The World needs these Men conversing on every possible platform. It’s jaw dropping. May God bless them both and continue to light their paths so they can illuminate Him for the World to see in all His Glory.

[@harpin4God]

When JP gets filled with the Holy Spirit he will see the picture more clearly. This will enable him to put the puzzle pieces together with a heavenly perspective that will enlighten that amazing God given brain.

[@dalelerette206]

Amen. Karl Rahner, SJ (1904-1984) was one of the most influential Catholic theologians of the twentieth century. Theologians often encounter him first through his trinitarian “rule,” which states that the “economic” Trinity is the “immanent” Trinity and the “immanent” Trinity is the “economic” Trinity. Emmylou Harris forsook Satan's Jeweled Crown in favor of the Lord's Crown jeweled with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit: 1: Faith, 2: Hope, 3: Charity, 4: Chastity, 5: Justice, 6: Temperance, and 7: Humility. Freedom exists not to do what you want but having the right to do what you ought. - Saint Pope John Paul II I Corinthians 2: 8-9 : Self esteem is not built at someone else's expense. A genuine aura of reciprocity shares energy freely with everyone. Saint John XXIII once said, “What unites us is much greater than what divides us.” And I firmly believe this to be true to the depths of my God given soul. It is true that our hearts were written in the Sacred Heart of the Almighty way back in The Beginning. Our conscience is a reflection of the Eternal Light that created us. But if we die without God our consciences will die without God. God is love. And without Love there is no God. Love the Lord with all you heart, my friend. If our conscience reflects on the Eternal Light that created us we can perceive it from our limited human perspective as Angelic Virtues. When our consciences are humbly aligned with God's Holy Will, we confidently follow God's Holy Will like the Charge of the Light Brigade - here are some of the deeper facets of the Eternal Divine Reflection of Christ's Love. The Lord rebuke our pride. The Lord bless our humility. The Lord rebuke our greed. The Lord bless our charity. The Lord rebuke our wrath. The Lord bless our kindness. The Lord rebuke our envy. The Lord bless our patience. The Lord rebuke our lust. The Lord bless our chastity. The Lord rebuke our gluttony. The Lord bless our temperance. The Lord rebuke our sloth. The Lord bless our diligence. This multi-faceted perception of God should not be conflated with God Himself. This is our human perception of our experiences of God’s interaction with us. But as James 1:17 yet states, every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. As 1 John 1:5 states, this then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

[@neolawyer7110]

If he doesn’t speak by the inspiration of the Spirit than how can he say all that he says?

[@BlueandWright]

Noone can truly say whether or not someone else has been filled with the Holy Spirit. Although, it seems to me that if JP had accepted Jesus, he would be saying certain things just slightly different. But to answer the question, even the devil knows the word of God.

[@americanpatriot7247]

Neolawyer - If I can speak the same words I have heard agnostics and atheists say and if I was assigned to be one of these protagonists to the Christian faith & doctrine, I can and have done it. My heart was not in it as my heart belongs to the Holy Spirit, 1 member of the Triune God. Peterson, to my knowledge is not a Christian, but he is smart enough to be able to analyze Christianity and speak about it. I hope one day his heart will be in it.... because he finally gives in to the God of our world and becomes His. (Looking at Peterson's body language as he listens to the bishop's words, I would guess he is still not God's.)

[@americanpatriot7247]

​@@BlueandWrightGood analysis, friend. Peterson has been fighting a battle with God over some time. I hope he finally gives to God's Headship and leaves his human ego behind one day..... for his eternal sake.

[@Qazplmwsxokn]

Great talk. JBP got me interested in christianity again. BB got me (back) into catholicism. Im currently reading the (word on fire) gospels. Its a work of art. Love it. Thanks!

[@luciArtist_]

Thank you, Bishop Barron. What heart-shaking point! ❤ …Saints…God can work through them….

[@deborahfaiththompson3639]

“The minute you turn grace into a possession it stops being grace.” That’s sooo Catholic I got chills. Like, that one’s got some layers. xoxo A Protestant

[@naikhanomtom7552]

Im Orthodox but I enjoyed this ❤️☦️

[@jarrilaurila]

Same here brother!

[@loreman7267]

Welcome, adelphoi! 😀

[@andresfelipesuccar5179]

We are brothers in Christ. God Bless you!

[@naikhanomtom7552]

@@andresfelipesuccar5179 you too Brother ☦️

[@Melinda_B62]

I wish all men dressed as sharp as Dr. Peterson. It says a lot about a man. 💯

[@OddswithThings]

Have a look at Justin Trudeau, sharp dressed, clean hands... He is corrupt, a liar, a thief, should be jailed for his actions. The world has monsters, they typically wear suits.

[@Jaymastia]

His dressing is an expression of the internal state of his mind.

[@KINGJESUSvsdrake]

Not true, a lot of men can’t afford suits but that doesn’t make them any less of a man, I mean did Jesus and his disciples wear suits ?🤔🧠🤯

[@Melinda_B62]

@@KINGJESUSvsdrake It’s my understanding that mens’ suits didn’t originate until the 1800’s. That being said, I would imagine that back in Jesus’ time they did the best they could with what was available to them. That was the focus of my comment - it says a lot about a man (& a woman, too) when they take care of the sartorial items they have & use them to look the best they possibly can. The attention to detail - whether it’s a well-kept inexpensive white tee & blue jeans or a high-dollar 3-piece with tie tack & cuff links - clearly displays a person’s state of mind & the pride & care they take of their appearance. Dressing well isn’t a matter of one’s financial state, although I’m sure a lot of people could afford to dress better if they’d better prioritize what they choose to spend their money on, a lot of people spend their money foolishly. In my eyes, dressing well is taking good care of the clothing items you have & paying attention to detail in being well groomed. Simply my thoughts!

[@jameshofbauer1089]

These two men together are a charm. Bishop Barron demonstrates a healthy mature Catholic intellect. Detaching from the current pope's thoughts as well as traditionalist, he offers an impressive scholarly mind.

[@sharonoconnor7769]

Bishop Barron and Jordan you just gave “the Sermon” of a life time! My whole life with Jesus just shook me to the core, how unbelievable it is that I have the blessed fortune of my Catholic faith and your spiritual guidance. 🙏🏻 AMEN 🙏🏻

[@johnnichols2088]

Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron is always dynamite!

[@kylemedeiros6907]

This conversation has the power the change so many lives. I have converted Catholicism and it’s very serious to me. It’s extremely interesting, helpful and …the only word that explains how I’m feeling is….real.

[@angelawatkinson245]

These two are a part of my community now. I thank god

[@slackster999]

Excellent, this is the positive side of what the internet can serve up. Thank you both

[@user-mh5wn7fs3o]

I see Bishop Barron, I click

[@JoyfulUniter]

Let God awake, and his enemies be destroyed.

[@theblackspark2644]

This was incredible! Thank you, Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron, for your enlightening conversation.

[@jmh8510]

Wow, I feel like I should get college credit after listening to this. Or brain weight lifting workout. So thankful for the unpacking of Truth by these 2❤

[@thefitzs]

Christians seeking holiness is an upward spiral. Atheists seeking self is a downward spiral. 💯💯💯💯

[@M-pk5qn]

i think listening to these two legendary men is peak life.

[@andrealazzari3560]

That was the best expression of the Beatitudes I've ever heard. Brilliant!

[@louisaweiler5340]

Electrifying, every single word. I feel strengthened, inspired and focussed. My faith has gained sharper contours. Amazing that this is available at no cost .. 😊

[@declancronin437]

Pope Benedict said that grace - (love of God) we recieve from God and the more we give it away the more it multiples in the spiritual life. "It is in giving we recieve" easy to talk about but hard in real life .. 🙏

[@yariauger4125]

I'm not a catholic, but that's a man filled with the spirit and fire of god

[@reignz6968]

i see society going through an awakening these days...there is a true desire to be in touch with something deeper amidst the chaos

[@brendamyc3173]

Other people can never understand another person’s heart to heart true reason for action in a certain way despite all the external research they do.

[@MrPv2Riley]

These conversations have brought me back to my faith. Thank you, Dr. Peterson and Bishop Barron.

[@chuckgilbert8670]

My head hurts, but my heart says yes. Tried to pick up what I can from these 2 brilliant men. I love listening to the Bishop and I'm not even Catholic! God bless you both.

[@NihouNi]

Could this be the best conversation I have ever heard? Cleaning my garden room office floor on Passion Sunday in Lent, I have here expounded to me the precepts I have been reading about in Psalm 119, the very foundations of how to live life righteously. That’s a word that never gets used in our culture. Thankyou and may God bless you both - you are gifts to humanity.

[@MariaPerez-uv8mm]

I agree!

[@mrstraighty]

Holy moly. This was one of the deepest, meaningful JBP episodes I've listened to.

[@bernob9770]

Bishop Barron is so knowledgeable!

[@afringedgentian5426]

Oh this will be soul nourishing! I’ve been listening to so much Bishop Barron and Jonathan Pageau lately, filling in the embarrassing gaps my fundamentalist upbringing left me with, gaps in the knowledge of the church fathers and church history church story and the liturgy and iconography. This will be a feast of reason and flow of soul. Speaking of story, I wove a coherent essay out of my insights connecting Dr. Peterson’s Great Schema suit jacket and the legend of St. Christopher, patron Saint of travelers and whom Jonathan calls “God’s Dog.” Entitled “A Suit, A Schema, and a Saint,” it will be out from Wrong Speak Publishing next week. And finally, dearest Dr. Peterson, I was thinking about seeing you soon on the “we who wrestle with God” tour, and I thought of Jacob saying to the angel, “I will not let thee go until thou bless me.” God bless you, dearest Dr. Peterson, and keep you under the shadow of His wings. With Ruth Anne’s love ❤

[@DANJEDI]

"A Revival" for "we who wrestle with God..Hallelujah=⚡️💥✨️💡 Salute to Jordan Peterson and Bishop Baron

[@Sullivan9120]

Bishop Barron is a patient man

[@borneandayak6725]

Amazing! This is the most interesting way to read the Bible!

[@maytt675]

Blessed is Doctor Peterson when he allows his guest to speak uninterrupted.😄

[@matthewsalkeld5326]

At what minute mark does that happen? 😢

[@maytt675]

@@matthewsalkeld5326 Not this video that I noticed. He occasionally catches himself. He is aware of it, even having said that his family has pointed it out. It's annoying, but I offer the grace to see it as I would an excited little boy telling me all about his treasures and adventures.

[@mattbernacki9282]

​@@maytt675something I noticed as well, but I agree with you that it's excitement and a willingness to continue to dialogue (play to use his language) rather than malicious. I struggle with the same thing in deep conversation with others at times, so it's a good reminder to see it in others and work on it.

[@keanhayes1906]

What a conversation! Just wow 🙌 Christ is risen indeed 🙏

[@JJ-tn5cg]

Glad this had a part 2. I'm absolutely blown by the part 1. Bishops understanding of metaphysics and systematic theology is insane.

[@katarinam2434]

Love Fr Robert Barron!! I could listen to these 2 men forever!!!

[@jaceydurland9098]

A conversation between Jordan Peterson and Bishop Baron? This is epic!

[@Serving.God.And.Humanity]

Outstanding and remarkable conversation with Bishop Barron! 💯 Your conversation moved me to joyful tears! 🕊 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏❤️

[@smitaaay]

I'm only half-way through this and it's probably the most relevant conversation to my life that I've ever heard. And I've heard a lot. I bet I listen to this innumerable times over the rest of my life.

[@vtwinvera]

Love your show and the advertisements so supportive of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ thank you so so so much!

[@j.j.b]

Man when these 2 get together it is pure gold. Thanks dr. Peterson.

[@MeaningToMatter]

I would be interested in Jordan chatting with Fr. Boniface Hicks about Benedictine spirituality / psychology and how it lead to the building of the West after the fall of Rome.

[@evanc.1591]

Yo, that would be awesome!

[@sstritmatter2158]

I knew I wouldn’t be disappointed. Two Godzilla sized minds wielding swords of truth.

[@scooby7272]

I love listening to these. Two amazing men!! God bless you Jordan Peterson for being courageous enough to seek truth, which I am certain you will find.

[@TheKilkenny1967]

Two of my fav Mentors Right here. I Loved The Interview with Tammy and Bishop Baron and It really is a miracle what she has overcome Jordan. Delighted she is doing The RCIA and getting here guidance from the catholic church.

[@RM-i]

When God is the common denominator between a psychologist/ therapist and a Bishop the take away is just AWESOME 💯💯💯💯💯🙏🙌

[@GodsWizard-jy7bq]

I love you God, thank you for allowing human creation. Ive found you. I've broken the spell on man kind. Thank you heavenly father for letting me be apart of this!!! Keep watching 😉🫂

[@davebarbadillo]

Dear Mr Peterson. Thank you and may God bless you.

[@jbowser9679]

I just saw Dr. Peterson in Grand Rapids Michigan two days ago and I’m just baffled by how he has the time to travel on tour and do all that he does and still make podcast. It was a pleasure to meet Dr Peterson

[@Tomyum19]

Money can do miracles for your schedule lol

[@tomdixon1213]

He has the candle power upstairs. He practices what he preaches and as a result is VERY organized.

[@stvbrsn]

In the description it says this was recorded the end of January (perhaps before the tour began?)

[@katarinam2434]

​@@Tomyum19try what hes doing as well!

[@encouraginglegacy]

@@Tomyum19 Cynics always make me laugh, it's hilarious how you view the world that narrow. And think you're right 😂😂

[@jtitus062006]

This little light of mine i'm gonna let it shine

[@zacksymes]

"You have a fallen mind" This is the single truest, and most pragmatic, understanding in this podcast so far -- 37 minutes in.

[@delishme2]

I could listen to Bishop Barron discuss Biblical theology all day. He has a way of cutting through the BS for me and revealing the philosophical within the spiritual, or vice versa, whichever the situation calls for. It's really a Masterclass in the sublime, revealing the deeper meanings within the bible and it's charachters and archetypes, drawing a line between them and our own lives. I get the enrichment of his pearls of wisdom every single time i hear him speak. And i know it impacts me instantly, because my pride submits and my humility steps out of the shadows. I'm just so, so thankful to live in a time when i get to hear him speak, across the globe, listening from the palm of my hand. His words just resonate and cut straight through my own personal folly, aligning my heart to Gods heart. Epiphany after epiphany, land, hit and change my thoughts and actions in ways that would take me months, years, who knows how long to do without them ? Thank you God, for working through the Bishop as you do. Thankyou Jordan for allowing this wonderful synergy of your minds to come together again, and thank you BB. You truly are one in a million, a gift from God to those that have ears, and i appreciate you far beyond my ability to express in words, how profoundly you have impacted my life. God bless ❤

[@nicolamustard7232]

True. Beautiful. 🥲❤️

[@angelawilliams9377]

Bishop Barron and JBP Happy Early Birthday to me! 🥳

[@blondetapperware8289]

Happy birthday, Angela!

[@intheknow9794]

Happy birthday!

[@rshier8422]

Happy Birthday Angela. God Bless🙏✝

[@autumnleaves2766]

I attended an excellent piano recital earlier this evening, and now I am enjoying this fascinating discussion between Dr Peterson and Bishop Barron. We are so lucky to be able to watch content of this quality for free. Who needs a television these days, I haven't had one for over seven years now. I lose all awareness of self when playing the piano, where I play American songbook, jazz and my own compositions, all with improvisation. It is like entering a higher plane of consciousness. Both hands are involved of course, so both brain hemispheres are working hard at the same time. It is a wonderful feeling. So perhaps that is my "walking with God" moment, and I can get this too when listening to the greatest music. Thanks to both Dr Peterson and Bishop Barron for providing us with such a stimulating discussion this Thursday evening.

[@afringedgentian5426]

What an absolutely perfect evening! Love this for you!

[@AlfredoInTheWorld]

Peterson’s largest contribution to the world shall be remembered as re-introducing the West to a language it had lost, a language to believe in God.

[@MarjoriePatterson-iu1sz]

Spectacular, brilliant, and moving condensation of the essence of Christianity and of the link between the human and the divine.

[@imnotanalien7839]

Could the story of the wealthy young man who has everything but is unhappy, also be defining wealth as safety? So give up your safety (living in a bubble)…and follow Jesus… which is ‘risky’. This was a great discussion, …..two super computer brains that work so well together! Dr. Peterson and Bishop Barron…what a treat! Thank you. ❤️✝️

[@murphymomof9]

YES! So overjoyed to see this. Two of the greatest together. Thank you, both of you.

[@jamesmcdonald6624]

This is a wonderful and very informative discussion! I am so very pleased to have listened. I see a link between Mrs. Job's "curse God an die" and the movement of euthanasia and assisted suicide.

[@montanamornings8526]

Two highly intelligent minds that talk right over my head.