Shownotes: [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="18">0:18</a>] Jordan Peterson introduces the episode's guest Stephen Fry whose list of titles and accomplishments is quite astonishing. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="93">1:33</a>] Stephen starts the show with concerns over the culture wars that seem to be dividing the western world and alienating people from one another [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="270">4:30</a>] Jordan talks about his public reputation for pointing out the excesses of the radical political left in western culture leading back into the discussion of the importance of maintaining free speech. Stephen believes that the moderate left is almost and repulsive to the extreme left and their obvious opponents the far right are at this point. It's become very unfashionable to be a moderate of any type. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="660">11:00</a>] Jordan directs discussion toward the role Stephen Fry had to play in the atheist movement. Stephen outlines his alignment with Empiricism more than Rationalism when looking at the world and it's problems. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="960">16:00</a>] Examining the strange way that Empiricism doesn't always need a rational answer to function effectively. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1260">21:00</a>] The truths found in literature, fiction, drama, movies, and general narrative that we find so compelling even though we don't necessarily understand why? Stephen uses some examples from egyptian and greek mythology to show how narrative has been passing truth from one generation far before writing and science (science is still just catching up). [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1800">30:00</a>] Jordan brings Stephen back to the question of why he feels his perspective differs from his atheist friend Richard Dawkins. Highlighting the incredible human capacity for wonder. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2040">34:00</a>] Jordan and Stephen examining the learning process of humankind using sacrifice to obtain some future good [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2640">44:00</a>] Is the corruption of the christian church intrinsic in the philosophy or the people who follow the religion? When looking at all traditions, where do you draw the line on the good intention of what the tradition represents and the people who corrupted that vision? [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3180">53:00</a>] Jordan brings up the novel the Brothers Karamazov that Stephen quotes concerning the injustice inherent with the possibility of a God who created a world with so much suffering and injustice in it. Jordan postures that resentment of such a being does not seem to have any functional utility? [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="61">1:01</a>:00] The argument of a higher mode of being. looking at the development of morality in children through playing games, examining other behavioral science in humans, rats, mice, and other species.. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="71">1:11</a>:30] Back to the distinction between Stephen Fry and Richard Dawkins from Jordans perspective. Jordan expresses the creative artistic domain is more unique when regarding atheists. Stephen points to the importance of things that convey truth that are not strictly rational. The two discuss the functionality and rational absurdity of a constitutional monarchy form of government. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="79">1:19</a>:00] Talking about the "gods within" and how different religions and thinkers have tried to solve the puzzle of what some call conscience? [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="92">1:32</a>:00] Stephen tells one last tale emphasizing his point that story/drama/narative are some of the most powerful ways to bring people together and should not be trivialised when discussing serious topics in societies. [<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="97">1:37</a>:00] Wrapping up the show. Thanking the guest Stephen Fry for his participation.
@paulrowland24153 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all you do for us Jordan
@morrisahmed82643 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much !!
@MrVara4113 жыл бұрын
This is amazingly helpful. Standing ovation to whoever puts these summaries together!
@DeAardappel3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Doctor.
@kasperm.r.guldberg73543 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jordan. We're still here and still listening -- as intently as ever.
@mannysmandatories55953 жыл бұрын
One man wakes you with the power of his words, the other enthralls you with beauty of his speech. Both leave you smarter, and perhaps even a little bit happier. This is a treat.
@curtisboyce38493 жыл бұрын
@@seanleith5312 although its very clear that you're a smart person, and one who knows their shit - i worry you've spent too much of your time focused on the wrong bits. there is so much good in the world, and especially since all the people and times that you mentioned. there is no better time to be alive (for anyone in history, infact) than now, because the future is uncertain and the past unchangeable. your outlook seems dismal, and you seem far too bright to be stuck within it. i hope you are able to see there are far more positive things that came from people like orwell than negative, like provoking critical think in people like fry and peterson. i wish you the best, friend
@satoshinakamoto72533 жыл бұрын
@@seanleith5312 liberals remove structure and functionality
@gonçalomarques233 жыл бұрын
@@curtisboyce3849 Well Done Sir.
@johnchristopher30323 жыл бұрын
@@satoshinakamoto7253 And the heads of monarchs and tyrants.
@philipmulville82183 жыл бұрын
Wow. Beautifully put. I wholeheartedly agree!
@JG-qt3pn3 жыл бұрын
“It’s a strange paradox, that the liberals are illiberal in their demand for liberality. They are exclusive in their demand for inclusivity. They are homogenous in their demand for heterogeneity. They are somehow un-diverse in their call for diversity - you can be diverse, but not diverse in your opinions and in your language and in your behaviour. And that’s a terrible pity." Stephen Fry. Thank you for being you.
@aarellanod2d3 жыл бұрын
Sounds a lot like Chesterton.
@cconcannon51453 жыл бұрын
@@aarellanod2d That would be deliberate. It was a hell of a denouement in that Munk debate. That and the refrain to 'let doubt rule'.
@DavidLaChanceJr3 жыл бұрын
The intolerance of tolerance is incoherent.
@lameduck31053 жыл бұрын
I think the key word here is "exclusive in their demand for liberality". Not all are like that though and it's but a handful that really are that way. Most liberals don't promote exclusivity but there is the paradox of tolerance (being tolerant of the intolerant). That's a whole other thing in and off itself. I doubt Fry would be tolerant of religious leaders calling for the death of homosexuals.
@davidhunt74273 жыл бұрын
*_Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal._* ~ Karl Popper, 1945
@johnnycorvo3 жыл бұрын
Just an idea for the production crew for this podcast. It would be great to have a split screen so we could see the body language of the person being spoken to. I think it would really enhance the depth of understanding in the audience.
@4_times_college_dropout_tr243 жыл бұрын
Disagree think it is too much going on we should be focusing on the speaker. Though during the debates it would switch from 1 to both at times which was good. Not sure how reactions would be different online split screen compared to in the moment reactions.
@Randomcliff013 жыл бұрын
Agree, hearing the speaker and watching the listening is an entirely important part of the language of communication.
@godislove87403 жыл бұрын
I thought so too johnnycorvo, well said
@misssummersalt3 жыл бұрын
@@4_times_college_dropout_tr24 Having the ability to see two people's faces while one of them is speaking is too much going on for you? Perhaps you should sit these discussions out altogether.
@MottiShneor3 жыл бұрын
I disagree, and would even say - shut down the damn video. Their words are more than enough. Both Stepehen Fry who is an immensely gifted narrator, and J. Peterson with his emotions - real and deep - bursting out of his voice. This is not a reality show, but rather - a learned discussion.
@jimmygreaves19 ай бұрын
Two extremely intelligent people. Respecting each others views and allowing each other to get points across.
@awesomefoxxandlilfoxxchall37027 ай бұрын
Yea, mutual respect? Naw, that'll never work..😂
@kvdp95436 ай бұрын
‘A stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent person is like’ - Julie Burchill on Fry.
@Declan3985 ай бұрын
@@kvdp9543 "A stupid person's idea of an influential person to quote" - reasonable person on Julie Burchill
@kvdp95435 ай бұрын
@@Declan398 well if influence is what matters more than truth then do follow Fry. You won't go wrong.
@SusieGee14 ай бұрын
I only saw one.
@jasonmains83463 жыл бұрын
The Peterson / Fry discussions should be a monthly series for at least twelve sessions.
@PeterHart3 жыл бұрын
I would suggest monthly discussions for the remainder of both of their lives! ;)
@marialiyubman3 жыл бұрын
“Twelve sessions for life”
@pseudonayme77173 жыл бұрын
Well, Fry could certainly enlighten us for a bit longer than that. I'm afraid however that Jordan was scrambling to repeat himself over and over for the last hour or so of this conversation. His conservative side has stunted his ability to see solutions outside his circle of thought. I could listen to Fry for hours since he has knowledge to impart. Jordan not so much😏
3 жыл бұрын
@@pseudonayme7717 What you witness there I believe is the 140 iq to 170 difference and therein how each approaches altering humanity. That said, many won't understand the higher of the two, so conversations and guiding of the intermediaries is a huge benefit to the world.
@pseudonayme77173 жыл бұрын
@@vargas0897 He absolutely does, and I like him alot more than I did whence he first appeared in the public eye. He is a troubled individual for sure, we saw the cracks of the pressure of his new found fame these last few months and I respect his ability to hold it together thus far. And of course, his choice of guests is to be lauded, it's nice to know he has not abandoned the left wing of his personality entirely, it may be his salvation, since the right side is very obviously quite destructive for him (as it is for everyone else generally😄) Take care 👍
@Saxologic3 жыл бұрын
Man. This conversation makes me feel like I am witnessing human mental evolution in real-time. Two conflicting perspectives from mutually great intellects, discussing their opposing ideas in a healthy, respectful & civil manner, is the recipe for progress in exploring the unknown of what’s next to come in human civilization. Very exciting to listen to these.
@Bodhike3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I have to admit I think I share a lot more ideas with Fry but absolutely acknowledge most of Peterston points (not just here I've actually seen tons of his videos although I haven't read anything from him) as valid and more than that essential. This whole discussion makes me think how likely it is that all the other times opposing views clash they are at such a distance of this level of discussion and precision that people end up being frustrated and start offending 'the other side'. We all much evolve so much...
@mightyirish3 жыл бұрын
Yes it was such a gift to see these two brilliant people explore life.
@keithalderson1003 жыл бұрын
I do agree! Would have loved to 'chip in', just a couple of times. Once to quote Galatians chapter 5 verses 22 and 23, where we get a clear picture - especially as we can see this in others - of the higher moral or ethical future we could aim at. Aspects of character and motivation; 'love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control'.
@noisycow7773 жыл бұрын
holy shit the mario kart lick guy
@phantomwalker82513 жыл бұрын
there is no god. watch revalation of the pyramids. then viper tv. enki..
@thomasthompson63782 жыл бұрын
This isn't so much a debate as a respectful conversation -- and it's one of the best things I've ever seen on the Internet. Many thanks to Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry for making it available to us.
@christianhadden67202 жыл бұрын
if it was a debate Stephen takes this one imo
@simonlee88892 жыл бұрын
then you need to get around the net more...both of them manage to miss the true deeper meaning of the sacrificed Sun God myth and its complex conflation with the life of Jesus.. this is pretty fundamental... and Jordan bangs yet again on his drum concerning what sacrifice really means... all very predictable, all very questionable... And by the way, we gave up sacrificing humans aeons ago? Did we? Are you sure.. We're sacrificing children right now, day in day out
@dropndeuces822 жыл бұрын
@@simonlee8889 True, sacrifices of young virgins has been going on since the beginning of worship. now anything we question not written in Wikipedia is considered a conspiracy theory. The past 5 years in America we have seen the power of the Digital Town square. We can't question mainstream science without being censored which completely goes against Scientific research. I hate politics but seeing our former POTUS tongue cut out theoretically is something I NEVER could have predicted so soon. Actually makes me want to listen more when the elite are that nervous
@johnplatt77292 жыл бұрын
The interplay of consciousness, thus conscious, as done by the power of our imagination to give us a view of ever changing truths
@martynbrown82102 жыл бұрын
@@christianhadden6720 in fairness, the debate was one (Peterson) creating argument to encourage and enhance conversation and discussion to which a response was given. This is Peterson's channel after all and he is the interviewer.
@nicjern Жыл бұрын
Such an amazing discussion. No harsh words, no aspiration of "winning". Just great minds talking, exchanging ideas and knowledge. ♥️
@zephodb Жыл бұрын
A real, honest-to-goodness Debate. >.< The winner is the Truth and Understanding, not either of the individuals in the discussion/argument.
@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Жыл бұрын
Well I did find Jordan Peterson's views to be quite basic and childish honestly. A bit of a "pretend" intellectual.
@zephodb Жыл бұрын
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 You can think that if you like, you'd be disagreeing with Stephen Fry... who rather likes Peterson as a fellow Academic.
@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Жыл бұрын
@@zephodb well he is kinder than me :D
@freedomextremist7215 Жыл бұрын
@@zephodb You don't get it, he is an edgy boi trying to get attention online.
@RemmingtonCampbell3 жыл бұрын
This needs to be a full series. This is pure gold. Thank you, Jordan and Stephen.
@hasanmahmud69983 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. This is the conversation we need.
@ascotclark3 жыл бұрын
This is pure Alchemy personified.
@irynablyzniuk97333 жыл бұрын
Absolutely support this comment, we need more of these!
@ryanmargetts81553 жыл бұрын
Can u imagine 🤤🤤🤤
@tianm7403 жыл бұрын
I'd watch the shit out of that.
@ajrob773 жыл бұрын
This conversation should continue as a monthly podcast.... I could listen to their mental jiu-jitsu without ceasing.
@thomasjones95593 жыл бұрын
I just made the same comment it should be monthly 🤞
@furrycannon3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they've tried DMT.
@matthewtalbot-paine79773 жыл бұрын
@@furrycannon Is that you Joe?
@marcusgregoryrichardson223 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!!
@zmunk3 жыл бұрын
Yes, 100%! Stephen Fry is incredibly brilliant, and paired with Jordan Peterson, it's intellectual gold.
@internetwanderer90533 жыл бұрын
Two men came to talk to each other. Both poor souls because of facing depression, but also both rich souls for their contributions to the world. A wonderful talk
@andrewcorrie89363 жыл бұрын
Nicely put.
@luluadapa52223 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I asked the universe for this 🙏
@IcyHell77mNRW3 жыл бұрын
@@luluadapa5222 and the Universe did not care in the slightest, and yet , it happened. Awesome, isn`t it ? :) Have a great day.
@ArchitectGG3 жыл бұрын
@@luluadapa5222 If you're asking the universe for help, you're missing one of the major points these two men are making.
@troybrand66263 жыл бұрын
Firstly, Professor Petersen, it is wonderful to see you back and in better health. Secondly, thank you for bringing us this conversation between two intellectual titans, you and Mr Fry. Humbling, encouraging and inspiring.
@letitia484 Жыл бұрын
The world desperately needs more Stephen Fry's in it. Intellectual and well read enough to converse properly with experts in their fields, combined with the rare ability to not only pass the information on to the masses in way that doesn't make them feel small and stupid, but to also then think and wonder about it themselves after he is gone It's his genuine interest in things that makes them interesting to others. I think of him as a wonderful teacher in communication.
@justinhunt47678 ай бұрын
Na look at him pig in and out
@notsobraindeadjester8 ай бұрын
Peterson too. He's open minded, fair, vulnerable, careful with his words though they are complex, amd he never attacks people's character. They are both quality human beings.
@ryanforsyth82287 ай бұрын
@@notsobraindeadjester I do agree with Peterson more on most matters but Stephen Fry is a noticeably better communicator in my opinion, at least in a General mass vocabulary sense which makes him more 'understandable?' I guess, but who knows it might be just his fun accent.
@hmu053663 ай бұрын
@@ryanforsyth8228Stephen fry is a titan
@cogean3 жыл бұрын
Please, please have a follow-up discussion. This was everything I had hoped it would be, and more.
@tylerwhales3 жыл бұрын
Do it. Do it.
@greatmomentsofopera71703 жыл бұрын
Yes please!!
@deviklovecraft38353 жыл бұрын
Absolutely... I’m a junky wanting to hear more of this conversation between these two. I could listen for hours...occasionally rewinding because WTF ! 🤯 . Put them both in the same place....Some old university library setting, sitting in comfy high backed leather chairs, drinking fine whiskey....and conversing, for HOURS on almost anything...Hell, I’d read the back of a bottle of Windex to them and say, “ Ok, Go ! “ and then an hour later I’m understanding Windex in ways I never imagined nor ever wanted to but here I am and hey...btw....pass that over here 👈, Bogart ! 😎
@alinsandu71903 жыл бұрын
De acord 💪
@arthurjohnson74733 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how excited and giddy they are when hearing the other's reasonings. It's the beauty of conversation.
@ashmash19343 жыл бұрын
If only everyone could have productive, honest conversations like this, instead of arguing and trying to appear right for the sake of their egos. Thanks boys, I really enjoyed that one!
@mikeziter5013 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Let us all be that change. Perhaps it will catch on :)
@oneworldfamily3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrygreene1493 I think so. I thought that almost every sentence spoken contained a productive and useful idea which will take some unpacking, researching and digesting as Prof Peterson points out at the end.
@rogerspable3 жыл бұрын
"the sake of their egos".. They're clearly talking about issues beyond themselves. Some people find this patronising though, usually egotistical people.
@rogerspable3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrygreene1493 Found the theist..
@tragicslip3 жыл бұрын
@@jerrygreene1493 yes they did Jerry. Jordan highlighted that conscious, interests and reciprocity are outside of individual will. Fry reminds Jordan that the awareness brought about by games, motivations and conscious can lead to destruction on a grand scale (by focusing attention on the wrong things).
@Beevenhouse2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this: two intelligent men with different point of views arguing their different points without ever looking down at the other, or the other's beliefs. We need more conversations like this.
@JWB862 жыл бұрын
Funny how you state "arguing" I found them agreeing a lot
@riceycakezz Жыл бұрын
@@JWB86 I think the agreement was more of a “I understand what you are saying” instead of “I agree with your point”
@zephodb Жыл бұрын
This is what a real Debate looks like. And they are indeed arguing when you define Argument correctly: a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
@annabaglioni2660 Жыл бұрын
This is the normal,the commun sense. Agree to desagree..But now days is all about how special we are, how is OK to have 100kg and no think about your health, is about butterfly..
@andrewhaywood3853 Жыл бұрын
That’s because Stephen Fry is a man, and so Jordan Peterson is respectful. Have you seen JP talking about women?
@mattholwood2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else wanting a Peterson / Fry podcast? I'd listen to that on repeat for the rest of my life.
@fredrikhansson96262 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, that would be some intelectual candy i would absolutely devour.
@aaronyoung37582 жыл бұрын
@@chestnut1279 Peterson stated that it's not so much believing in God, but having a benefit from living as if God exists. I have no definitive conclusion on it myself but can see benefit for some in that. To regard a religious person to be beyond a deep conversation is a shallow opinion.
@benirab81532 жыл бұрын
@@chestnut1279 Not a shallow opinion - an extremely brainless opinion. If anyone would be unable to have a deep conversation it would be you. --> Many of the smartest and most important thinkers of all time were deeply religious and believed in a god.
@Scarletcroft2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronyoung3758 I find Petersons view on that interesting and much more honest than actually saying you believe in God and then ignoring most of what the bible says. I can also understand his logic on the matter. I am an Atheist, but I also recognize the value the Bible and wat is written in it. Especially on a philosophical level. I personally see the concept of God not as an external figure, but an internal one within ourselves. "God" is the representation of the things that we value most in our observable universe. I we believe that we suffer the conseqences of our poorly made choices and make them to be punishments of "God". We are infact punishing ourselves most of the time. Where "Hell" is the pit in which we fall through by failing in our struggles to climb to greater heights "Heaven". I'm not sure if i'm explaining myself clearly, but I think the bible was never meant to be taken literally. the bible is a collection of art/literature meant to provoke thought and concideration as most books are meant to pass on knowledge and thought.
@fewstr2 жыл бұрын
@@Scarletcroft I understand what you're saying but i think the 'God' Jordan is referring to is the idea of an almighty creator. both are valid and both can be right at the same time :)
@thorinhannahs46143 жыл бұрын
It is so much fun being able to watch Peterson have discussions with people he wants to talk with as opposed to him being interviewed. The energy is so different, you can tell he is having a blast in this one.
@alyssajchase3 жыл бұрын
I don’t mean this as an insult, but I like him more when speaking with someone who is intelligent! I don’t always agree with Jordan, but Fry & him are great together
@je68743 жыл бұрын
Stephen Fry remembers so many facts and quotes then explains them so eloquently… His mind is simply amazing.
@kobusg74603 жыл бұрын
Fact: He is blessed with a photographic memory. And yes, what makes him amazing, is that he uses his photographic memory to pull some stories and puzzles together, then explaining it in a way that simple people like me can understand.
@isabel08523 жыл бұрын
@@kobusg7460 photogenic...?
@kobusg74603 жыл бұрын
@@isabel0852 Thanks, fixed. Proof that (a) English is not my first language, and (b) I am not blessed with a photographic memory myself :-)
@00Tenrai003 жыл бұрын
Isabel “eidetic” ...
@00Tenrai003 жыл бұрын
Kobus G don’t ever sell your self short. A simple google search would suffice most times. Photogenic, is used for People; faces that look aesthetically pleasing. Specially when their photos are shot or they happened to be filmed. Your use of photographic memory was indeed correct, however, a more pronounced term is eidetic memory.
@jacostofberg98362 жыл бұрын
To be able to live in an age where you can watch two men with such talents converse on a screen almost freely! What an inspirational conversation! Thank you Jordan Peterson and Stephen Fry
@susanberry2649 Жыл бұрын
Because they do not believe themselves to be better than the other just different and they are trying to find common ground as well as persuade. Most people are unable to achieve this level of discourse because they aren't willing to listen or learn from anyone who may have a differing point of view or who may challenge them.
@stooforthecat3 жыл бұрын
Watching these two men having such an impressive conversation and being able to call to hand such a broad array of ideas and stories really makes me appreciate just how much more there is to learn!
@lauriestlyon87733 жыл бұрын
@@jerrygreene1493 Two amazingly educated, knowledgeable and erudite men spend an hour and a half discussing the history of man's search for meaning and the ideas and theories that underpin or have formed our current world and that is all you can say.
@murdock64503 жыл бұрын
And not getting charged for it either James :)
@cluckycluck30533 жыл бұрын
They read a lot of books. I recommend getting into the habit of reading a litle in a book every day. Then you will become interesting to have chat with as well.
@joaof33 жыл бұрын
@@jerrygreene1493 you don't understand the connection between things because you didn't want to watch it. I respect that. Just don't ask others to do your work.. especially if your work is solely criticism rather than taking what you want to take and leave behind what you don't. And if you don't find anything to take, then don't come back if you like.
@EntryLevelLuxury3 жыл бұрын
Ignorance is bliss lol
@Destromath23 жыл бұрын
I wish this a 15 hour episode, I can listen to these two talking forever.
@BuyBBStonk3 жыл бұрын
zug zug
@aditimascarenhas56083 жыл бұрын
Peterson and Bret Weinstein too
@aditimascarenhas56083 жыл бұрын
@@brando3342 this is rather obnoxious.
@aditimascarenhas56083 жыл бұрын
@@brando3342 Exactly. I actually agree with you completely. Would there have been more time, perhaps they could have danced longer with each topic. I apologize for sounding rude.
@anomalousanonymous3 жыл бұрын
@@brando3342 While I can see your point to a degree, as was noted in one area of the comments, this was primarily an interview conducted by Dr. Peterson more so than an actual debate. Second, it seems to be in regard to the human experience in terms of a sociological understanding rather than merely a discourse of matters of faith and their influence (for better or worse) from the religious institutions created by humans.
@HR-ws1rj3 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe how great Jordan is looking now. So good to have him back
@Fuzzywuzzywasawoman3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that
@Republic3D3 жыл бұрын
Yes, he looks good and healthy. But I can see in his eyes that he's still struggling. I hope he continues his positive progression. He's a real treasure for humanity and reason.
@maryfowles8073 жыл бұрын
@@Republic3D wonder if he's been experimenting with medicinal mushrooms... that would give him that look
@TheCerbari3 жыл бұрын
The beard is always making him look 5 years younger :D But yeah his skin tone looks better as well
@genebohannon88203 жыл бұрын
With everyone using there home office we are seeing men with no makeup and women looking more like Ronald McDonald, Mr Jordan looks well. No makeup but some sun.
@edwindijk2877 Жыл бұрын
Both Fry and Peterson, different as they may be, have had a significant impact on me and my thinking. And I just love how they can talk, unpack each other’s ideas, challenge each other and enjoy it whilst doing so. I reckon it’s time for part 2 😋
@patriciastapleton2625 Жыл бұрын
Civilized debate.
@blindwatchmaker2345 Жыл бұрын
mee eens!!!
@jackwhitbread4583 Жыл бұрын
Why? Fry is an intellectual and Peterson is a charlatan who tries to pass himself off a an intellectual
@A_M_P_ Жыл бұрын
@Blind Watchmaker Do you live in Holland?
@tessa779310 ай бұрын
Same here. Inspirational, an invitation to knowledge from different sides. Love it
@shamarbauyrzhan79973 жыл бұрын
Having access to the highest quality conversations like this is the real blessing of technological progress of the 21st century. We are truly live in the best possible times. Thank you for keeping this knowledge publicly available. And thank you for the strong and straightforward message in the world of bias and confusion. You realy changed my life and my perception of it!
@slazerlombardi3 жыл бұрын
Imagine Leo Da Vinci with internet.
@Strider913 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 or. . . . You didn't think about it.
@eduardolemos41133 жыл бұрын
We're so lucky to be able to listen to such conversations. What a time to be alive.
@maxhammer40673 жыл бұрын
We could before the net too. Hard talk used to be good when hitch did it. Now it's just left wing dribble
@showcase-me3 жыл бұрын
The romans had their public baths where this conversations were had. And to honour them, I listen to this while taking a bath. This sort of encounters have been the mark of great civilizations.
@mrdix6603 жыл бұрын
This is the most constructive talk I've heard in a long time, both men seeking to find truth without ego blocking the way. I hope these meetings become a regular occurrence.
@wodenravens3 жыл бұрын
I didn't feel they really got anywhere on any of the topics they discussed. Jordan seemed very concerned with Richard Dawkins and kept trying to steer the conversation there, which Fry was not that interested in. There were moments when the conversation could have really gone deep, but I felt it ended up being quite erratic. It seems that Jordan has lost his focus. Very enjoyable to listen to, but frustrating at the same time.
@ML-uk6lu3 жыл бұрын
Could not of said it better myself!!!
@funbigly3 жыл бұрын
@@wodenravens cuz Frye was being a dodgy lil bastard
@bbmcars3 жыл бұрын
@@funbigly Thanks for saying it how it really is. Fundamentally Fry is the same as Dawkins, but will not accept it due to fear of labelling him as an extremophile.
@rajsinghji-84 Жыл бұрын
JP is a rock. And Stephen Fry is the weather, the right kind. I saw JP being shaped up in this discourse. JP was so close to tears, and he has shown his vulnerabilities several times but this it the only time when he did that when the other person agrees with him. Hats of to JP and Stephen Fry. Everyone is a little wiser after watching this, JP, Fry, me, and you.
@KarlisVR3 жыл бұрын
The best thing about this was the places you disagreed but were willing to explore in civilized manner. It felt at the end that both of you got someting out of it and so did we all who listened.
@vzslreverse503 жыл бұрын
Tā tas ir, jā.
@brucelivingston22203 жыл бұрын
Didn't seem like Fry was willing to budge on anything, he almost arrogantly dismissed all of Peterson's arguments. There seems to be a component of atheism that is so arrogant that makes one to reflexively dismissive to anything that even comes from a religious place, regardless of whether or not it has value.
@imogenrex62863 жыл бұрын
@@brucelivingston2220 - why arrogance, when one is curious and listens ?
@gott4bomb8353 жыл бұрын
@@brucelivingston2220 I think more than arrogance this is a lingering result of Henry VIII's split from the Vatican and how it seemingly permanently made Brits suspicious of anything valuable that comes from religion in general. Once bitten twice shy so to speak.
@sisyphus6453 жыл бұрын
@@brucelivingston2220 oh yeah? What component? I am an atheist but am very much interested in religious thinking. And it’s the same case with all of my atheist friends. It’s the opposite if anything. People claiming that they’re special, that the whole universe was built with them in mind. What’s more arrogant than that? I think he dismissed it because the same narrative can be applied to almost any mythical or fictional idea. In fact, I think that’s exactly what he meant. The thing about Jordan’s interpretation is that: it reflects human nature, not divine nature. And even he knows that, that’s why he compares the Bible stories with other versions from different civilizations.
@TheWiseElder3 жыл бұрын
“It makes me resentful and angry and wanting to shake my fist, but I found upon intense consideration that there was nothing in that, that didn’t make it worse and that therefore it must be wrong even though it’s justifiable”. I hope I can remember and share this often.
@anonjan823 жыл бұрын
Yeah that sentence hit me to. Marvelous conversation.
@ralphengland85593 жыл бұрын
Resentment is often short-sighted. How often in our later lives do we come to understand the lesson taught to us by imperfect parents who allowed us to go through struggle and trial? We find that the struggles prepared us for the greater weight of adulthood. So then, if there is a God, one who can love perfectly, why would we assume that the evil in the world isn't meant for the loving purpose of preparing us for something greater? Resentment towards deity over our pitiful existence stems from not knowing the outcomes of the struggle.
@streglof3 жыл бұрын
@@ralphengland8559 I sincerely love this reply!!
@ralphengland85593 жыл бұрын
@@streglof thank you. I hope it's a useful perspective.
@bikboi32923 жыл бұрын
@@ralphengland8559 pretty smart view
@ComedyWOborders3 жыл бұрын
I love being the third wheel in these conversations. It's like watching your dad and uncle having a friendly discussion at a birthday party and you're trying to follow it, but half the time you don't have any idea what they're saying. And at the end without knowing it you learned somethings from both parties that you love. Jordan and Stephen I respect you both and wish you well with the blessing of the God that may or may not exist
@joshmarden99333 жыл бұрын
Haha excellent!
@patbrennan6572 Жыл бұрын
When a conversation can hold my attention for an hour and thirty eight minutes it has to be special indeed. Thank you to both these gentlemen for allowing us the pleasure of intelligent conversation with little argument. A breath of fresh air in a stagnant world.
@RobertJonesWightpaint9 ай бұрын
The time just sped by, didn't it? I couldn't believe I'd listened to this for over one and a half hours without my attention or energy flagging, because of course, THEIRS didn't; and they were generous to each other in allowing time for arguments to be made and considered. We really need more of this.
@MikeOzmun3 жыл бұрын
When Jordan is moved to tears by a thought or a revelation, I feel less alone in the world. I've always been made to feel like this aspect of my personality is a flaw to be overcome, but Dr. Peterson embraces it as not only intrinsic to his identity, but seems imbued with a gratitude for this characteristic. One more reason to appreciate the man. This is a brilliant conversation, by the way.
@EmilynWood3 жыл бұрын
Same--I love how he is unapologetically passionate about his convictions. It encourages me to take myself and my beliefs more seriously.
@Gluwc3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone acknowledged this. For me this is a beautiful thing to see in another person, because I can relate to that feeling.
@DarachDuffy3 жыл бұрын
This is the most mind blowing conversation I’ve heard and I’ve listened to so many it’s embarrassing. I don’t even know what to think anymore. I love both these men and I can’t believe how little we know about this thing called life.
@elektrotehnik943 жыл бұрын
To keep wondering is to be on the right track
@lindenrowe8763 жыл бұрын
When you realise how much you don't know, is when you know you've learnt something :)
@adventureinallthings3 жыл бұрын
So well put👍
@TaigMacCarthy3 жыл бұрын
So true.
@DarachDuffy3 жыл бұрын
@@brando3342 What did he get wrong? Im instinctively with Peterson (he saved my life and taught me so much), so im keen to know what Stephen was wrong about.
@The_Rad_Dad33 жыл бұрын
A bit of Fry and Peterson is the new buddy bromance show that we need
@ankymrn3 жыл бұрын
God yes, please, make it happen! 😍
@ciarfah3 жыл бұрын
Been watching Jeeves and Wooster of late, great show
@Tricolorrr5333 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see Hugh Laurie on this podcast as well. Though i have no idea whether he delves into either politics or psychology or not
@plain_simple_garak3 жыл бұрын
@@Tricolorrr533 That would be really interesting. Hugh Laurie doesn't seem to do many deep dive interviews, but Jordan would be the perfect person to do it
@wyattlarsen38803 жыл бұрын
Conversations in heaven? Would they be similar? A constructive exchange of thoughts is ultimately constructive.
@larrypoulton64012 жыл бұрын
I marvelled at how they never became angry or annoyed by each other views. Indeed, they seemed to revel in the prospect of the meeting of minds. Respect to both who I admire greatly.
@zaknefain100 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. There is a level of respect between the two and precisely as it should be.
@havocgr19768 ай бұрын
I knew this was gonna be great the minute Fry explained why he agreed to do this.Pretty much the same reason I follow both men,extremes are bad.
@nickgierus63773 жыл бұрын
Stephen Fry is quite simply astonishing to me. He brings so much warmth and humanity to subjects that are very complicated to me.
@BjerkeRobin3 жыл бұрын
He is an absolute gem of a human being
@ColonelRoge3 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 I understood clearly what Steven Fry said, I have no idea what you’re on about.
@liamlyons54713 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 is fry and intellectual seems like a bizarre question. He's certainly done his homework through out life. Not everyone will be your cup of tea kid doesn't make them any less.
@allancouceiro99053 жыл бұрын
have you watched the movie "V for Vendetta"? Highly recommend.
@monviestomicollo69133 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 I think your question is wether something intellectual was said, since you ask for that multiple times. I think so, since intellect is defined by the objective understanding and abilty to reason about subjects and abstract subjects. Fry does this on multiple occasions, linking multiple facts together (showing an excelent understanding of many things such as how words came to be that we now use every day, or how tiny religious/ mythological facts still affect how we talk and think today) that many people would not have seen are connected, thereby showing, e.g., their origin, or what they mean to our society as it stands. So, in this way he is showing his intellect, not because we find it interesting or very smart, but because it is actually adhering to the description of what being an intellectual means. I don't see how you cannot see that. Moreover, it sounds like you didn't like something he said and are, therefore, trying to prove that he is not an intellectual, such that he doesn't get the audience he clearly deserves. Which is kinda petty.
@FaithEncouragedTV3 жыл бұрын
“Awe is an invitation to imitate!” What a powerful observation. I really like this.
@aleece43 жыл бұрын
Which one of them said that? I love it!!
@FaithEncouragedTV3 жыл бұрын
@@aleece4 Peterson. Great observation.
@ascotclark3 жыл бұрын
@@FaithEncouragedTV I read the comment before I got to that part in the conversation too ... thought the quote was from Fry, given his way with words, but not so ... bravo Peterson!
@oddfielder3 жыл бұрын
Yes. That gave me chills!
@58Galtha3 жыл бұрын
Yes that was good. Until Fry took Jordan's point in a weird, depressing direction.
@eag35033 жыл бұрын
Has been so good to see Jordan get better and better and healthier with each talk
@witcherjohn3440 Жыл бұрын
I just bought his Greek myth book the other day it’s a fantastic read. Stephen is one heck of a talented man,and yes he is a national treasure who deserves to be knighted.
@erikramaekers63 Жыл бұрын
I think Jordan forgot calling him a philospher
@RainwaterAquarium Жыл бұрын
Such is the high regard Stephen is held in I suspect he has been offered royal recognition...OBE, MBE, knighthood, but he will have declined.
@ripdbtpoo1441 Жыл бұрын
@@RainwaterAquarium Certainly so in the case of the accolade (knighthood). Twice,in fact. He said it would be like being forced to wear a suit ALL the time. Incidentally, Bowie refused too. Sir Elton, however... (actually Sir Reg).
@justinhakaraia9264 Жыл бұрын
Some how I think he would gratefully decline a knight hood
@ripdbtpoo1441 Жыл бұрын
@@justinhakaraia9264 The word is "gracefully",and "knighthood"is one word. Always ready to help!
@jswimeaden23653 жыл бұрын
This is a perfect illustration of how intelligent discourse should be presented and undertaken. A captivating delight from beginning to end.
@robertcook92013 жыл бұрын
Shame that the BBC seems to have lost the art of, or interest in, such non confrontational intelligent discourse. If only we had more of it!
@Coneman33 жыл бұрын
@@robertcook9201 Oliver Reed put paid to that! lol
@Coneman33 жыл бұрын
@Anthony Townsend A lot of pretentiousness in this discussion for me. A lack of plain English and waffle.
@Leftatalbuquerque3 жыл бұрын
@@Coneman3 Would you like some maple syrup for that waffle?
@robertcook92013 жыл бұрын
The greatest human problem, however, is that most people are not interested in understanding the nature of reality or facing the difficulties of rational questioning and enquiry (or are incapable). So long as they can fulfill their most basic needs (vide. Maslow) they do not want to struggle towards "self realisation". So we will always be stuck with tribalism and aggression - so long as we have government that defers to the masses.
@theemilbarna3 жыл бұрын
I must say, he's getting so much better at not interrupting. What an amazing interview!
@elektrotehnik943 жыл бұрын
@Emil This.
@elektrotehnik943 жыл бұрын
@@tayzk5929 I understand, but no. Let him say all he wants to say (within reason, in good faith), otherwise we strawman him. Patience, respect & strong counter-arguments is where common good wins, not interrupting. Always treat a man as you want to be treated yourself
@calgakispict36523 жыл бұрын
I don't think he should let claims or truisms go unchallenged in the moment as if they are fact when they require greater explanation and there's nothing wrong with interjecting to get great clarity before someone continues down the path they are going. He's not chatting with stoners after all
@cecilcharlesofficial3 жыл бұрын
Especially in these last two (McGilchrist and Fry)... but part of me thinks that’s just because he respects them so deeply. What amazing interviews, back to back.
@ph-vf5hx3 жыл бұрын
@@calgakispict3652why are you conflating challenging or asking clarification of someones point with interupting them? If anything interuptions only serve to create a less coherent and cohesive discussion . Fry was clarly a bit frustrated by being interupted and blindsided with multiple questions at once. And shitting on 'stoners' is a really weird way to drive your point home.
@shingles49473 жыл бұрын
Stephen is so well read it's outrageous - please do a part 2. Thank you for posting this beautiful conversation.
@trickeyD3 жыл бұрын
And he seems to actually remember 90% of it, and is able to recall at any time - thats what i can't get my head around
@freddiesmith-wright75313 жыл бұрын
But the kind of well read person who wants everyone to know about it lol
@anomalousanonymous3 жыл бұрын
Or better still, perhaps make it a regular series?
@cecilcharlesofficial3 жыл бұрын
and part 3, and 4, and... fuck it, let’s make this monthly.
@shingles49473 жыл бұрын
@@trickeyD yeah man, his range is nuts, CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, knowledgeable of early 20th century British scientific advances, drama, pantomimes, opera, botany, pharmacology, Theology you name it he's got it!
@eugenebell3166 Жыл бұрын
Randomly watched this out of curiosity and couldn't switch it off, completely gripped. It left my brain hurting just a little but certainly worth it
@stevenreynolds22223 жыл бұрын
There is something incredibly uplifting, inspiring and beautiful about listening to two people who (superficially) have differing political and social perspectives discussing fundamental issues, articulately, thoughtfully and with open minds. It’s the best thing I’ve seen all week and gives me a fragment of home for humanity.
@maggygwire3 жыл бұрын
I love these conversations which seem to test Jordan’s arguments that bit more. Huge admiration for both of these two for very different yet very similar reasons at the same time.
@chancelange3 жыл бұрын
If we all spent more time watching things like this and having conversations like this our culture would be in a much better place. Thank both of you. Well done.
@holyhandgrenades55293 жыл бұрын
No thanks. Wife Swap is where it's at!
@jayeisenhardt13373 жыл бұрын
@@holyhandgrenades5529 I miss the old Springer chant. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
@thomaskilroy31993 жыл бұрын
Aka depoliticising discourse
@chancelange3 жыл бұрын
@Tw1st3dxTc not sure i understand the question. Culture itself, regardless of where it is currently at, is improved by rational discourse.
@chancelange3 жыл бұрын
@@holyhandgrenades5529 im a fan of Donny OMalys version of that show on VetTv ;)
@dougkenworthy50792 жыл бұрын
Never really been a fan of Peterson, I think this turned up in my feed because of JRE and my lifelong fanship of Steven Fry. I have to say this conversation is a perfect example of how a basic level of respect for other people can lead to something great and illuminating. The fact these two did this is fantastic and it's an example to be followed.
@ScooterScudieri Жыл бұрын
💯 😊❤
@bb21again.67 Жыл бұрын
I think too that he his an overated intellectual who hides behind long convoluted "word salads" that express feeble ideas that could be said in one sentence.
@RammYou2 Жыл бұрын
Aristotolian ecclisiasticism, only this man could talk on or above the level of Jordan. this man Fry seems to be the V, full of shocking historical facts.
@rutlegs Жыл бұрын
@@RammYou2 I could sit down for a drink with Fry...JLP not so much
@Teralek Жыл бұрын
Fry is fantastic. Was this conversation that made a fan of Fry. Do you have other suggestions from him that shows his immense intellect?
@tamarakonczal63503 жыл бұрын
I am a Catholic Christian and have been finding this conversation wonderful. Stephan is a generous soul. I appreciate his willingness, his gentleness in his discussion with JP. There is something poetic about Stephan's speech. It's just so nice to hear people be respectful and really listening to each other.
@servantprince3 жыл бұрын
Christ - "the kingdom of heaven is within you " what do you need the catholic part for ? the matrix has you
@seanmmccarthy3 жыл бұрын
And yet your church sees someone whose actions are "intrinsically disordered" and 'condemn his unnatural and unhealthy acts'. Shame on them.
@croweater68143 жыл бұрын
As a Catholic what is your opinion on the church the current pope and gays. Fry seemed disappointed that the church was returning to more traditional opinions on homosexuality whereas I think this is a good thing. Odd, I don't have a problem with homosexuals but I have a problem with the Catholic church not having a problem with homosexuals.
@saul_guudman3 жыл бұрын
@@croweater6814 "I don't have a problem with homosexuals but I have a problem with the Catholic church not having a problem with homosexual" I somewhat agree that it would be hypocritical for the Catholic church to say homosexuality was ok, and that the church should really be deemed disposable with the knowledge we have developed. Could you expand on why you believe it ok for the most powerful of churches, who holds such influence, to hold beliefs that encourage hate and fear?
@croweater68143 жыл бұрын
@@saul_guudman I think and I could be wrong but it has something to do with the moral foundations of such an institution suppose to be immune from the sway of the public, an unbiased constant. To elaborate as Fry pointed out Catholic morality is suppose to be unchanging, it is and should be as set out by Peter at the start of the church till today, incorruptible and if anything unapologetically so. To pervert such an organisation based on the whims of the now or political trends of the day speaks volumes about the weakness in the systems of the institution. I have no special love for Catholics, but I do believe in western democracies their voices which often er on the side of Christian morality and purity are a net benefit to society. If such an institution as old and longstanding as the Catholic church can be perverted and subverted by intersectionality it stands to reason that none of our secular institutions with relative moral standards can withstand the onslaught of the regressive left. It isn't just homosexuality that catholicism has bent the knee to, it has also bent the knee to both Judaism and Islam in accepting that they are valid religions. (What good is a religion if it accepts another religion may be valid.) The "decline" of church morality and supremacy is purely due to the deconstructivist social Marxism that is so pervasive in western democracies. In essence it is an attack on the foundations of western morality, which in our secular societies may not appear as immediately bad. I would rather see the church end with its moral foundations intact than to see it continue with the regressive left wearing it like a skin suit dictating their version of morality; Some of which is quite repugnant.
@worm820753 жыл бұрын
Mad respect to ANY consumate individualist such as Stephen Fry who is willing to listen to anyone regardless of view point because we can be friends, break bread, share mead and have a laugh at ourselves despite our differences. THAT is the REAL meat of existence and those that have forsaken that(namely the Identitarians) are truly lost.
@crowd3r8623 жыл бұрын
Well said
@katepaine22003 жыл бұрын
“Identitarians” 👍
@Coneman33 жыл бұрын
I think it’s more that he respects JBP because of his popularity. Naive ISTJ imo.
@ginorvdw3 жыл бұрын
The sheer amount of vile and nasty comments about both fry and peterson on just the first page of comments shows how incredibly important it is to keep sharing our ideas. Have open discussions, talk about anything that tickles your fancy. Celebrate individual standpoints, instead of forcing groupthink on a person just so they "belong" to a group, that you can then generalize in your mind. This episode was a joy to listen to.
@ginorvdw3 жыл бұрын
@AManHas NoName Ahh there he is again. Why are you shitting on fry? I'm a jbp fan, but fry and peterson have had an absolutely wonderful collaboration during the munk debate. This episode was coming, and both men wanted to chat. Why are you being so toxic? You profess to be this defender of peterson, but you're kind of missing his entire point, mate. Let people enjoy their things. Which rule was it again, the one that tells you to let kids skate on the street, to stop to pet a cat when you see one?
@starwasteland Жыл бұрын
I think what I enjoyed the most about this episode was witnessing how undoubtedly knowledgable Stephen is on the subject of faith, religion and it's deeply embedded roots within human history allowing him to deliver facts and researched backed counter points instead of two toddlers not getting along. Stephen at a glance seems to have made an incredibly informed decision on his beliefs based on his own knowledge rather than what "others have told him" to believe. I guess I'm writing this right now because it was refreshing to see an athiest point of view with substance where both sides were respectful, intelligent and no one was screaming over one another to be "right" or "louder" for once!
@haydentrudgill Жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. There's a reason why he's a national treasure. I'm a big fan of both of these gentlemen and it was such a healthy (and as a result fruitful) conversation. Too often the algorithms promote echo chamber videos. Even if I agree with them, it doesn't nourish me quite like conversations such as this.
@anitamaraney4658 Жыл бұрын
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@hovis_esports Жыл бұрын
it is very refreshing to listen to. had no idea stephen was a lvl 1000 atheist😂
@chuffsie Жыл бұрын
The strange thing is Jordan Peterson is an atheist. Always has been, always will be. But in his eyes, he wants to help people, and telling them that their gOD doesn't exist serves him well....and gets him off the hook with bible bashers. He literally expands the publics love affair with him by including the religious and the non religious. I love him too, until he wanders into the truth of gOD.....then I tire of him. Fry addresses this to the point where Jordan is edging on admitting this. Since this interview he has admitted that there is no gOD.....and now he's admitted that I respect him more.
@SocraticMic3 жыл бұрын
Hands down THE BEST episode of any podcast that I’ve ever seen. My top two philosophical and moral heroes on one screen, talking for an hour and a half! I want more!
@linkdude643 жыл бұрын
Check out Jordan's talks with Sam Harris. Just start watching - don't pay attention to the running time of the conversations.
@x0x893 жыл бұрын
yes I agree. My two idols greetings from Germany
@reubenyoung703 жыл бұрын
@@linkdude64 I started watching never believing I’d finish one, and then I watched all four in one night and have rewatched them at least twice since.
@Bloodmoon19693 жыл бұрын
Man i can't believe im listening to this for free!! God bless you dr
@djonfonsteen63313 жыл бұрын
Wtf? Don't even think that! Its the thin end of the wedge. 🙏
@staninjapan073 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed. For free! Blessed are the... Oh, no.... How fortunate we are.
@jaccrystal69933 жыл бұрын
wow! want the time of day from me and you've gotta pay that's for sure.
@djonfonsteen63313 жыл бұрын
@@jaccrystal6993 really? how much for that snippet!? Edit for debt anxiety
@jaccrystal69933 жыл бұрын
@@djonfonsteen6331 except for charity cases such as a p for snipet(sic).
@floramormedicinemusic65712 жыл бұрын
“Wisdom tells me I am nothing, beauty tells me I am everything”. How wonderfully it manifests through these two. As always, incredible treat for the mind and the soul.
@hmu053662 жыл бұрын
Big jimmy Willy woombie
@jamesthecat2 жыл бұрын
@@hmu05366 He sounds like a great man!
@nickacelvn2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully said. I wholeheartedly agree.
@joshjackson6782 жыл бұрын
Listen you’re 100% correct. I think this everyday. We are nothing yet everything. Just like the o universe coming out of nothing going into nothing
@anothenymously70542 жыл бұрын
Jungian in principle to truly understand the philosophy of Jordan Peterson is to know the life work of carl jung
@andreakinuthia4197 Жыл бұрын
This is what we need. People engaging in open, honest discussions and being willing to listen to each other to understand what is being said. Too often, people are unable to either listen, consider or disagree graciously - instead resortIng to ridicule or insult. Conversations such as these promote growth. Only talking within your comfort zones causes stagnation and polarisation.
@pushthetempo23 жыл бұрын
It's touching to see someone of JPs stature in awe of Stephen and his achievements, brings up a level of pride in this English man.
@kathyleicester73063 жыл бұрын
I had no idea Stephen Fry was to say the least a powerhouse. Almost beyond belief what he's done with his life. His ability to communicate is such a blessing--I'm an existential person and it helps that he understands that perspective. Anyhow, Mr. Fry is well worth showing off to the world. Toot! Toot! Toot that horn!
@Rjasper4993 жыл бұрын
@Jo C What's funny about that? She used the correct word in the right context to elude to her philosophical leanings? Or are you laughing precisely because she is an existentialist?
@shhh31853 жыл бұрын
Oh you wonderful Englishmen, always downplaying your obvious brilliance.
@toddmank453 жыл бұрын
Enlightenment and reason. The English used to be a bastion of free speech. How sad the commonwealth has become
@toddmank453 жыл бұрын
@@jcrosby4804 cmon be brave? Radical right? Why are we all radical on the right to you people? Why call us racists constantly? You don't even try to have conversations because you have weak points and weak grasp of truths based on your msm crap. I would be happy to talk about anything you want but it seems pointless. I have been censored constantly fyi and I have a thousand instances of social media doing this. First example...ivermectin. I rest my case
@xanadeux3 жыл бұрын
When "long-form" discussion feels painfully short
@R0n8urgundy3 жыл бұрын
If I could sit in a pub and simply listen to two people have a conversation, it would be these two.
@hollismallory27573 жыл бұрын
Maybe followed closely by CS Lewis and Tolkien
@pushthetempo23 жыл бұрын
If you invite then, I'll get the pints in. I think we're gonna need more crisps
@gustavobohorquez2113 жыл бұрын
If I could listen to a podcast. It would be this one. Very deep.
@R0n8urgundy3 жыл бұрын
@@pushthetempo2 I’ll bring a multipack......and peanuts.
@TherealSakuraKei3 жыл бұрын
Isn't that exactly what we are all (thanks to thr gift of technology and the internet) having the opportunity to do? Minus the pub environment ~ and even better from their homes? ☆☆☆
@michelafanara5397 Жыл бұрын
I'm thankful to be able to enjoy this conversation
@goatboyhicks81953 жыл бұрын
Imagine having read the amount of books either Jordan or Stephen have? What an amazing conversation. Love both of them.
@Timahcs23 жыл бұрын
I was about to say almost the same exact thing. I decided instead, to comment on your statement. If I were to add anything. I’ll say, I am rather impressed with myself for understanding the entire thing! LOL!! I’m most excited to head down a couple rabbit holes in the coming days. LOL!! 🤣
@imogenrex62863 жыл бұрын
I don't read books so these conversations are life-giving!
@alexwallachian77203 жыл бұрын
@@imogenrex6286 why don't you try at least audiobooks? Reading is one of the greatest pleasures in life
@hendrikstrauss37173 жыл бұрын
@@imogenrex6286 i stopped reading for the most part when social pressure in school overwhelmed me. After that it was the lack of the habit. Once I started listening on audible my whole life turned around. So much to learn. Great courses plus on audible for example. Also there is no pleasure similar, I am not saying better(whatever that may mean) to reading a delightfull book before sleeping. Or growing with the insights people have worked their lifetime to achieve and write down. Start to read two pages of let's say alice in wonderland and I dare you to be so bored to stop. That is not easy also :)
@davyroger37733 жыл бұрын
@Sanningen Bullshit everyone blames the elites for their own lack of character
@mannysmandatories55953 жыл бұрын
two of the most eloquent public intellectuals of our times having a conversation. Today is a good day.
@solomonreal19773 жыл бұрын
some guy describe video. this comment is good coomment.
@erikpaterson14043 жыл бұрын
@abhimannue You took the words right outta my mouth... Ditto that 👏
@solomonreal19773 жыл бұрын
@@erikpaterson1404 yes thank you, I am incredibly intelligent
@Gcarse3 жыл бұрын
Christmas has come early. Love these two and always hoped they'd have a proper conversation together.
@erikpaterson14043 жыл бұрын
@solomon real, you are indeed sir.
@thilansilva23853 жыл бұрын
So happy to have found JP! Does anybody notice he seems to be looking and obviously feeling more healthy with every podcast.
@fernandogalindo89973 жыл бұрын
Yeah, its getting better by the hour!
@apathypeace2 жыл бұрын
I would love a Fry and Jordan discussion on a regular basis, two great humans whom I have a lot of love and respect for.
@ASlaveToReason3 жыл бұрын
In watching this I can no longer see a difference in sharpness and brilliance between who Jordan was and who he is today. It is so wonderful to see you back. And if there is any of your former self yet to reclaim know that even as you are now you shine indistinguishablably as bright
@ashcosmo38543 жыл бұрын
Are you serious ? Go look at his older videos. He still struggles to recite words and has to keep a script next to him. The conversations sound very robotic as it seems hard for him to think of what to say and how to say it.
@blim763 жыл бұрын
@@ashcosmo3854 Watch Jordan's recent 'sofa chats' with his daughter, where have you seen him look at notes because of needing mental prompts, are they hidden below camera, is it just his home shows? Lets take you seriously then Ash; One would like to interview a man of international renown (through merit of decades contribution to the various arts), and welcomed as an intellectual by our intellectual societies.... and one should not prepare notes of some kind, or take seconds to consider each specific point in order to give meaning to a reply or improve chances of understanding in the listener. Jordan may himself admit to not being back to 100%, but if he nearly died for a year, and his wife nearly died for a year before that, isnt 90-95% just like 100% in the eyes of some of his fans (or his family!, or him)? This is exactly what ASlaveToReason is implying, and I agree. How many nearly dead people have you known to cause Stephen Fry pause, erm and um with their questions? I believe Jordan is looking out of his window, he also has a screen in front of him and can get info off the net or from files as any of us might to enrich a discussion.
@ashcosmo38543 жыл бұрын
@@blim76 I'm not talking about Sofa chats. You have cherry picked something to try and further better your narrative. I'm talking about his talks with intellectuals. Do you see any of his guests looking at notes and talking in a monotone dialogue ? He's not doing well. This isn't a personal attack but you can tell from how emotional he gets when talking about death and end of life philosophies. I've never seen Jordan have to read from a script even in his university work. He has notes at his uni talks sure but after glancing for a couple of seconds he can talk for the next 20 minutes unscripted. He's now constantly reading off another screen trying to fumble the words to say. He should really be making the world aware of benzo damage and withdrawel instead of pushing it under the rug when it's so evidentially apparent he has suffered quite severe damage.
@dirkschwartz16893 жыл бұрын
What an extraordinary exchange between two of the most outstanding minds of our times. Entertaining and stimulating to the core. Thank you so much, Stephen and Jordan!
@michaelbohuskimhc3 жыл бұрын
I like how Peterson recapitulates his guests’ arguments. Podcasts can often get carried away without ever tying together or taking stock of what’s been said. Stopping to sum up helps prevent that.
@elektrotehnik943 жыл бұрын
We often under-emphasize this quality of Jordan's interview-making; unity of narrative in a conversation (2 people talking about the same thing) is always more important than expediency of conveying new information. Unity of narrative needs to be constantly put attention to; nothing gets solved if 2 people are not even talking about the same thing.
@MissNatalonga3 жыл бұрын
Yes, good point.
@51elephantchang3 жыл бұрын
@@mvoulgaropoulos I don't think it can..perhaps he meant encapsulate?
@michaelbohuskimhc3 жыл бұрын
@@mvoulgaropoulos haha after looking it up, I realize recapitulate is what I meant. My usage was wrong 😅
@joeimbesi992 жыл бұрын
Two intellectual Behemoths...MUST see more of these two together ..Can listen to them for hours.
@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Жыл бұрын
well.. one is ... the other looks like might start crying at any moment..
@bokunoremon Жыл бұрын
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 So what?
@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Жыл бұрын
@@bokunoremon pseudo intellectual
@bokunoremon Жыл бұрын
@@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Because he might start crying at any moment?
@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384 Жыл бұрын
@@bokunoremon no because he is a pseudo intellectual who is an addict and is mentally unstable?
@bigadz0r3 жыл бұрын
Fry has an exquisite, but effortless skill of being able to somehow blend history, myth, theology, linguistics, humanity, spiritualty, philosophy, comedy into a form that is instantly relatable and entertaining no matter your intellect level - its something he has that most intellects or scholars lack - a certain warmth but also...for lack of a better word, he almost delights in over-explaining whilst pulling details from many different fields.
@bigadz0r3 жыл бұрын
@@angrytedtalks that's kinda the point though isn't it, fry can enter JP's world and be his equal as an intellectual, JP could never do the same in the reverse....and I'm not saying that as a put down, Fry is clearly a freak human. Understand JP is not at his sharpest right now, and I'm a huge fan, but he seemed slightly in awe of fry at times, or perhaps not as comfortable in the situation as he can be when firing on all cylinders
@childeharoldskillgrimage26523 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 In your own view, what *is* worth thinking or talking about? You would have to dismiss the whole of the humanities, psychology, and social sciences if you don't think they touched on anything of value here. What are your particular objections to the personages, ideas, or motives involved in this conversation?
@childeharoldskillgrimage26523 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 Your objections seem to be to Peterson specifically. He's a psychologist whose worldview is derived from some combination of the Jungian and Behaviorist schools, and he consistently makes reference to archetypes whose material reality he's certainly not advocating for--except insofar as these things may have their grounding in demonstrable neurological structures. He has these conversations of late with people from entirely different walks of life, who possess entirely different patterns of thinking, precisely *because* he's aware that his own worldview is limited by the particularities of his expertise and by his own psychological flaws.
@Springer53 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 I guess that either can "get it" or you can't. If you can't, as you've stated, then fair enough. I'm sure you're not alone and there's no shame in it and you don't need to feel defensive about it. We're all different. I had to watch some bits a few times over to fully understand, but now I do, or at least I think I do :) Also, their (admirable and correct) determination to keep things respectful towards each other inevitably over-complicates the core messages to a degree, I feel, particularly on Fry's part (he is so "nice" about everything that you have to wade through to get to the core message). Peterson is much more direct. That's just personalities and conversation styles. But much better that way than the usual speech-bite, point scoring attacks which achieve absolutely nothing and make both sides look more stupid than they realise. Nobody is "vs" anybody here. They are just two very well-educated and intelligent figures trying to learn from each other's viewpoints and improve themselves, along with anyone else watching who has the time and capability to do so.
@stephenlackey58523 жыл бұрын
His explanations have at least one thing everyone can relate to
@hammerthyme89743 жыл бұрын
It's like having coffee with friends, thanks for being here for us gentlemen!
@MikeOzmun3 жыл бұрын
I *wish* I had friends that could have this type of convo over coffee.
@changoviejo95753 жыл бұрын
@@MikeOzmun I wish I had friends
@violinhunter23 жыл бұрын
...or tequila?
@samuelc-r733 жыл бұрын
This podcast has an incredible variety of guests, amazing!
@SusieGee14 ай бұрын
Stephen Fry you are just an incredibly smart human. The calibre of your superiority is beyond Peterson!
@samuelll31663 жыл бұрын
Oh my word... 👀 I CANNOT WAIT TO LISTEN TO THIS! Thank you for taking the time to make this happen, Jordan and your team.
@johnpetten87173 жыл бұрын
I'm awestruck by Mr.Frys compassion when Dr.Peterson starts down the dark path. You can sence that in the Dr's tone. That was a beautiful moment
@holyastronauts47503 жыл бұрын
The dark path?
@adifferentangle70643 жыл бұрын
@@holyastronauts4750 Sith Lord maybe?
@elektrotehnik943 жыл бұрын
Sir, have I per chance missed the "Legend:", where the implied "dark path" was explained? xD Some comments just crack me up :D
@johnpetten87173 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I meant the part of the conversation where Dr.Peterson is on the brink of weeping
@elektrotehnik943 жыл бұрын
@@johnpetten8717 I see
@BedeliaMikk3 жыл бұрын
I'm so excited about this discussion!!! I have wanted you to interact with Stephen since the whole fiasco debate with Dyson.
@TurtleChad13 жыл бұрын
Rule #1: Avoid listening to anything Jordan Peterson says because he always lies and spreads anti semitic conspiracy theories.
@yusuffusuy49713 жыл бұрын
Dyson* don’t disgrace the name Tyson with that buffoon.
@D4n1t0o3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 Oh, come now. That's not true in the slightest. If anything, I would imagine the man is more sympathetic to pro-Jewish schools of thought than the opposite.
@BedeliaMikk3 жыл бұрын
@@yusuffusuy4971 thnx, I didnt remember the name of that funny little man.
@Astropeleki3 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 then why does Ben Shapiro like him so much?
@AngelBeloved86 Жыл бұрын
Listening to Stephen Fry is comparable to when I was at school and I always willed for my teachers to go off on a tangent and share some of the most interesting things.
@raywelsh53353 жыл бұрын
Love. beauty, empiricism, drama, myth. religion and parable. Alongside respect, intelligence, emotion, debate, conversation and concern. Why! Oh why does this not take place inside and outside the internet? Thank you both.
@btsnake3 жыл бұрын
This conversation is what people probably thought the internet was going to be like in 1996
@rogerc233 жыл бұрын
@@btsnake No we thought it would be like a library that we could shop in.
@markkennedy97673 жыл бұрын
Love Stephen. He's a great example of a guy who is curious and thoughtful about everything. I'm always surprised at how much he knows.
@andyl80553 жыл бұрын
It was both riveting and intimidating. Stephen can weave a narrative of literary references on almost anything; I would struggle to take a single reference, surround it with exposition and justification and make a point close to what he does.
@janisthompson98013 жыл бұрын
He claims to have an eidactic memory. I believe him. He is a great human being.
@MrBazzos3 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 Are you seriously going through every comment to shit on both Peterson and Fry? Man you must have a real jealousy problem 😂 unlucky feller, hope your ego isn’t too hurt.
3 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 How can a not smart person recognize something smart? Is that why you are asking now?
@anormalguy5113 жыл бұрын
I love him He's such a great person
@tbrasc03 жыл бұрын
Isn't it nice to listen to two people who have different perspectives on the world have a sensible conversation without it dissolving into mud slinging gibberish.
@zoe.h.nelson043 жыл бұрын
Yes, if only everyone were taught the arts of conversation, critical thinking and listening.
@MrSphandor3 жыл бұрын
And to reach the end and realise that both of them are far closer in their view of the things that are truly important than the initial appearance might have suggested.
@zoe.h.nelson043 жыл бұрын
@Jason J well what I'm referring to is teaching like basic critical reasoning skills that could probably be taught in high school, like learning how to map and evaluate arguments and recognise fallacious reasoning. Of course college can enhance that depending of your area of study but it'd be cool if it was part of the public education system
@volkerxd88213 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is they don't really they have the same perspective as stupid as it may sound they both desire good conversation knowledge and debate tbh they may not see it but they couldn't be more alike
@zoe.h.nelson043 жыл бұрын
@@psychcowboy1 I am aware that what his says has a lot of flaws, he makes unfounded speculations frequently etc and attempts to make everything everything fit in his one theory, even though he says he isn't an ideologue. He shouldn't be the only one you listen to for sure, but I think from all his experiences, intelligence and long time he's spent thinking about these things, he does have some valuable things to say; you just have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
@mcooper593 Жыл бұрын
I could listen to Stephen Fry forever. One of the most interesting people of all time. 🦋
@yourmatetom3 жыл бұрын
Didn’t expect this crossover, but it was very refreshing to see. Great minds.
@Fnelrbnef3 жыл бұрын
Crossover? What does that mean?
@leedsdrumacademy3 жыл бұрын
Not that surprising of a crossover, with all due respect. They are intellectual powerhouses, of course they were bound to one day talk. On the other hand, Jordan and Theo Von is a much stranger interaction.
@imogenrex62863 жыл бұрын
these surprises are the gift of the dark web - 'dark' as in not seen and heard enough!
@Pikkiwoki3 жыл бұрын
They did a debate together against the woke. Fry is a titan.
@Pikkiwoki3 жыл бұрын
Of course so is JBP
@ohmightywez3 жыл бұрын
It made me so happy that Stephen quoted G.K. Chesterton. One of the most impactful authors of my life.
@SwingDancer613 жыл бұрын
Does make me respect Stephen more. Realizing that you can learn from people you disagree with is an important lesson.
@fernandogalindo89973 жыл бұрын
I am atheist and I love JPeterson and I love GK!!!!!! (Father Brown!!!). This is just great, Jp and Stephen
@ohmightywez3 жыл бұрын
@@fernandogalindo8997 I love Fr. Brown - so much humanity, gentle wit and wisdom. There was an American bishop who used to have a television show for years for which he won several Emmy awards. He’s now up for canonization, which would be hilarious to have an Emmy award winning Saint, but he quoted Chesterton often in his shows. He was watched by millions of Americans who weren’t Catholic or even Christian. His shows are on KZbin if you are ever interested, I highly, highly recommend the one of the threat of communism to western culture. Bear in mind his talk was 60 years ago and see how frighteningly close he got to where we are now. Bishop Fulton Sheen.
@fernandogalindo89973 жыл бұрын
@@ohmightywez thx, off course i'll search that show :)
@felipevelez10213 жыл бұрын
Spectacular conversation! The channel admin should include a list of all the books mentioned in every podcast. That would be incredibly helpful!
@MasterOfMisc3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@samillyroy3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, had to keep pausing to make notes ^^
@markeggins8903 жыл бұрын
JBP doesn't charge for any of his content, just pause and write it down.
@eddieklemets69432 жыл бұрын
What a lovely and meaningful conversation between two people with rich knowledge of history and literature. Both of them have the wonderful quality of simplify complex thinking into a conversation most people can grasp. This is art.
@fiction07113 жыл бұрын
Ever since their Munk debate together, I have been waiting for their conversation with each other to come out. This is gonna be a joy to listen to, without a doubt!
@robw36553 жыл бұрын
Stephen Fry could narrate my murder, as it happened, and I'd still be enthralled.
@mrmagoo-i2l3 жыл бұрын
Labour supporter since he could vote. Labour “the party of the people”. Hahahaha. People who own an oyster fork.
@joshuakenny5033 жыл бұрын
Same goes for Attenborough
@magicbuns48683 жыл бұрын
I would be even more terrified tbh
@cjhepburn74063 жыл бұрын
Would that make accepting ur own murder difficult? Actually No...Super Easy...
@briankane39053 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@amandacollyer6453 жыл бұрын
Fry's knowledge of etymology and ability to quote both prose and poetry at length is astounding.
@AdamMGTF3 жыл бұрын
You should meet him. He's simply stunning. His books are incredible as well. None fiction which he receives too little credit for.
@SCARAMONGER_3 жыл бұрын
Knowledge is PUFFED up 1 corinthians 8 v1
@bluedose15k273 жыл бұрын
Surely Fry hasn't quoted the best, timeless parable out there. He probably missed that book, certainly avoided that book..😄😄😄
@jamaquinabella33783 жыл бұрын
The fool says in his heart there is no God.. No matter how many titles and achievements a person has , they are nothing . One day we will all die and we have to face our Creator.
@SCARAMONGER_3 жыл бұрын
@@jamaquinabella3378 hes a god hating reprobate fits romans 1 perfectly
@mikegray87762 күн бұрын
I’ve just returned to this conversation after 3 years - and enjoyed it even more than I did then. Despite having so many differences of perspective and conviction, these two men are able to have the most respectful and civilised exchange without ever conceding their own particular principles - but, significantly, without ever feeling it necessary to attack or demean the other. Two towering intellects, and two really quite vulnerable and emotional beings, each of whom can clearly take something of value from the position the other. Bravo gentlemen! - I will probably return again in a few more years - but I REALLY hope you can meet and exchange erudition again in the very near future. I feel much more intelligent and enriched just from having listened to you.
@LilySaintSin3 жыл бұрын
I love that these two are talking to each other!
@jamesdellaneve90053 жыл бұрын
True liberalism.
@user-zb6lg1xj3k3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdellaneve9005 amen
@onbs13 жыл бұрын
PLEASE do a series with Stephen Fry discussing various topics. It will be a blessed contribution for the world and posterity of social dialogue.
@claretblueavfc8003 жыл бұрын
If these two had a regular podcast together and the world listened. It would be a force for real unity. Not the division we now see.
@aaronmatteo740 Жыл бұрын
I'm retiring next month. And I'm a bit nervous about how to keep up with my kids.
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@Griede262 жыл бұрын
wow, stephen fry, one of those people whom you could listen to for hours while he talked about almost any subject, and you would never be bored. A very interesting oratory quality to him.
@brucefsanders2 жыл бұрын
I agree his conversion is mesmerizing but I can see that there are so many thoughts and ideas and knowledge in his head bubbling to come out that he tends to verbally Waffle and Weave in his responses, making his thoughts more difficult to consume... This tends to be most obvious when he is speaking off the cuff, where as when he has had the opportunity to filter his thoughts into a more easily digested monologue his for of thoughts are much easier to consume, absorb and understand. Love this man dearly but his mind is like an over full glass splashing it's contents over your mind and stopping you from consuming all of it.
@el0j2 жыл бұрын
reminds me a lot of jeremy clarkson lol i think they have the same accent and voice
@MBIRTIRoma2 жыл бұрын
Bro there's years of this British panel show you would like called QI
@lenas56132 жыл бұрын
Wonderful point. Peterson's style is not pleasant listening.for me. I can only do small bites....😊🙄
@Podgie792 жыл бұрын
Really. Fry if you haven’t noticed that he’s does lots of talking to no point. He just says lots of words and drops names 😆
@Good_Horsey3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking the other day "man it'd be cool if Stephen Fry got on here" 👍
@D4n1t0o3 жыл бұрын
An exquisite thought.
@probablyfacetious28953 жыл бұрын
I've been hoping for this since he mentioned talking to Steven Fry in his interview with Ms. Arbour.
@RoughNek723 жыл бұрын
Same!!!!
@D4n1t0o3 жыл бұрын
@Gnome Whyte The only person he dates currently is his husband. Now, that's quite enough out of you.
@MrKnightlore3 жыл бұрын
Somehow in the vast cosmos, your thought contributed to this happening - thanks for that.
@spinnersink3 жыл бұрын
I feel so privileged to have eavesdropped in on this conversation.
@Jonathanlappinphotos3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@Rtwodd3 жыл бұрын
I was going to write the same thing- So eloquent is the English language especially when such complex concepts are discussed
@balauruldeaur12713 жыл бұрын
oo what a humble soul you are, applause!!!! it is you tube, for all saints!
@michaelhuntley1660 Жыл бұрын
I am a 51-year-old man.. Stephen Fry was and is an utter hero of mine. When I was studying for A- levels he was an utter idol. When I was 8 years old I became obsessed with Greek mythology .. I went to my local library and drenched myself in it. And just LOVED it to a real point of utter distraction. I know ALL about it .. but when this great man wrote Mythos .. well .. amazing! Better than any film & Stephen.. you are both Homeric & Hesodic! Best wishes from a a scientifically minded person who’s real love is Greek mythology!
@darrenpursuingtruth28953 жыл бұрын
I sincerely wish that this is the first of many conversations between these two gentlemen. It was a pleasure to listen in. So much substance, too little time.
@doma35543 жыл бұрын
I agree. I feel like Stephen Fry's ability to articulate his issues with Jordan's philosophy, precisely, and without too many words, are what allows the conversation to be actually productive, compared to other guests.
@kingy0022 жыл бұрын
Stephen cuts Jordan off at the end as he realizes the conversation is going no where.
@Steadyaim1013 жыл бұрын
The first time I saw Jordan on TV was with Stephen Fry in the Heather & Dyson Munk debate years ago. I've been waiting for this for years now!
@Steadyaim1013 жыл бұрын
@SmashStomp Inc Really? If I recall the debate was Resolve: is political correctness beneficial to society? The only people that I'd imagine considered opposition to PC is far right, would be the far left. Personally, I get the sense that Stephen Fry is centre-left in the social liberal tradition, while JP seems more like centre-right.
@jenniferbrantley59313 жыл бұрын
Same!!!!
@jlund433 жыл бұрын
I love that they are discussing the distillation of narratives into a “meta-narrative.... whilst that is exactly what they themselves are doing! Taking two relatively opposing value structures, and sifting out the truth into something new and beautiful. They are both playing such an important role in humanity in this time. Please have Stephen on again and continue these discussions. Please.
@emmashalliker68623 жыл бұрын
Lol, no they're not.
@JH-vy7uy3 жыл бұрын
@@emmashalliker6862 whenever someone takes an opportunity to dismiss someone who expresses feeling inspired, or excited, it's a dead giveaway that the little pissant was feeling vulnerable and irritated by their vulnerability. Because they associate it with weakness. So by dismissing without engaging, they withhold the opportunity to even discuss a true difference of perspective. Because you don't actually want to engage the person in a conversation, it was about control. Controlling who felt inferior, and you wanted it to be anyone but you. Next time you feel vulnerable or overwhelmed, just go have a Joe Rogan experience.
@j.t2133 Жыл бұрын
Conversation is the best way to have a conversation.