One Of The Deepest Conversations You Will Listen To About God | Dr. John Lennox | EP 394

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with mathematician, author, and theologian Dr. John Lennox. They discuss the axioms and dangerous aims of transhumanism, the interplay between ethical faith, reason, and the empirical world that makes up the scientific endeavor, and the line between luciferian intellectual presumption and wise courageous exploration.
Dr. John Carson Lennox is a ​​Northern Irish mathematician, bioethicist, and Christian apologist. He has written several books, and was a professor at Oxford and Green Templeton College (Now retired) where he specialized in group theory. Lennox appeared in numerous debates with questions ranging from “Is God Good” to “Is There a God,” and faced off with academic titans such as Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, and Christopher Hitchens, among others. Lennox speaks four languages - English, German, French, and Russian, has written 70 peer-reviewed articles on mathematics, co-authored two Oxford Mathematical Monographs, and was noted for his role in translating Russian mathematics while working as a professor.
Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: bit.ly/3KrWbS8
Ep.394
- Sponsor -
ExpressVPN: Get 3 Months FREE of ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/jordan
- Links -
For Dr. John Lennox:
Website www.johnlennox.org/
The Oxford Center For Christian Apologetics www.theocca.org/
The Veritas Forum www.veritas.org/
- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(0:33) Intro
(1:19) The “unbridgeable gap” between science and Christianity
(5:46) Is the human soul a microcosm of the cosmos?
(10:01) Evidence of a Creator, a “word-based universe”
(15:01) Truth exists
(18:03) Statistical analysis, the ethical dimension of science
(23:41) Prioritization of facts is done through ethics
(26:18) Thought and time: from where does the revelation spring?
(33:23) Transhumanism: an extension of demented protestantism
(37:18) The death of God, the death of man
(43:28) The weight of being, the problem of physical death
(46:37) You cannot breed for evolutionary fitness
(50:24) Third Wave Biology, Questioning Darwin
(52:59) The wisdom not to cross the line
(59:27) Knowing good and evil vs. defining it as subjective
(1:02:04) The three sources of moral knowledge
(1:04:03) The basis for human dignity
(1:09:48) Sacrifice and maturity
(1:15:17) The female crucifixion
(1:18:18) Death is not the end
(1:19:51) Voluntary exposure to build strength
(1:24:34) Lazarus, leaving the darkness
// LINKS //
All socials: linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson
Website: jordanbpeterson.com
Events: jordanbpeterson.com/events
Twitter: / jordanbpeterson
Instagram: / jordan.b.peterson
Facebook: / drjordanpeterson
Telegram: t.me/DrJordanPeterson
Newsletter: mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.co...
// COURSES //
Discovering Personality: jordanbpeterson.com/personality
Self Authoring Suite: selfauthoring.com
Understand Myself (personality test): understandmyself.com
// BOOKS //
Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order
12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-...
Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-m...
#JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus

[@MattSweetman]

When Lennox said that God made a sacrifice on our behalf that we could not make, I was overwhelmed to the point of tears.

[@ChristovanRensburg]

Same. Only someone who realises the implication of these words on a personal level will understand. Like Bob Dylan said in a song of his. "Only He, can reduce me to tears"

[@gabrieledwards4794]

How can’t you love Jesus man 😊

[@FYI003]

Indeed, you're 100% correct. That's the very focal point of the gospel. And John Lennox knows that full well. The glory of the gospel is that Christ died (and as such paid the sacrificial price) for our sins, once for all (past, present, and future). Something we cannot do. The very moment we understand that and place our trust in Him, the One who accomplished what we could never do, God's word tells us we are then the children of God. Christ lives, and he gives the life of God to all who trust Him, thus giving believers the power to live for Him.

[@DarksTavern]

Ephesians 2:8-10 KJB

[@9jaForce]

​@@ChristovanRensburgI am elevated to tears. What humbles me, elevates me 😊

[@verabolton]

I met John in person several times when I was young, he visited my parent's home repeatedly. He is a humble man with a great sense of humour. I love him 🥰

[@jordanpetersondobladoalespanol]

I bet you learnt a lot from him!

[@verabolton]

@@jordanpetersondobladoalespanol He preached in our church and gave lectures often for a whole weeks. Yes, I learned a lot from him not only as a teacher but as a man too.

[@verabolton]

@@steakeater4018 Bless you 😘

[@alsmith-wg4cr]

@@steakeater4018new form of bot internet propaganda happening . but i could also be wrong. I don’t like being suspicious but sometimes it’s good to be right? damnation lol

[@alsmith-wg4cr]

@@veraboltonWould like to believe you, as many of us would I am sure. But don’t take good faith of others and assume you’ll get it back without concise details or some aspect of fact check able truth we can check.

[@user-jv1cl2fs6m]

JP always looks forlorn, with the weight of the world teetering on his shoulders while JL has a constant jolly smile and a deep joy in the Lord that just envelops him!

[@troytmd]

Nicely said Hapstance ( sorta ) vs Joy Amen

[@mac9869]

That is a concisely stated truth about these two thinkers! So similar in their intellect, yet Lennox has the peace that surpasses understanding. May JP discover the Peace!

[@WK-47]

Yeah, my darling ex insists he's not been the same since he came back from the incident with the pills, so sometime in early 2020 as I recall, and sometimes I worry she might be right. He's certainly always had a particularly serious (for lack of a better word) experience of the Divine than the likes of Dr Lennox. Funny, given the reputation Irish Catholics tend to have! I have to imagine it has more to do with disposition and personal experience than sect, though. JBP has only found faith fairly recently, while Lennox has had his whole life and career to perhaps be at peace with it all. Interesting stuff, to say nothing of the discussion itself. Anyway, take care and God bless (and please pray my ex finds Him!)

[@wrennspencer6070]

Dr Peterson's wife was diagnosed with a terminal brain cancer, his daughter has juvenile-onset RA & Canadian gov & CPA trying to take away his license & he lost his job as a tenured professor. He has reason to seem weighted down.

[@Stormmblade]

I reckon it's just as easily explainable by differences in personal temperament. You know, where they each sit on the big 5 personality traits, and all that stuff.

[@kwabenaagyapong-kodua2028]

Peterson has a lot to learn from Lennox in fairness. The simplicity of thoughts, the biblical strength and scientific rigour of Lennox are exceptional.

[@snail847]

So true!!

[@GeoCoppens]

The scientific rigor is ZERO! He is a brainwashed fool!!! Remember!!!

[@Redheadedlady55]

~So glad I stumbled across Dr. John Lennox on KZbin one day...his insight is simply profound. 🙂

[@GeoCoppens]

Lennox is a superstitious fool! That's all!

[@darkfox77]

The mind that just goes for the simplest explanation and then fully embraces it is order of Magnitude more superior than the one that just stays in 1 location and never moves. In essence the exact opposite of what montra everybody chants endlessly, keep an open mind.

[@Tatyana2006]

John Lennox is the CS Lewis of our time. What a blessing it is to be alive at the same time as he is! God bless him with a long life so that my children and grandchildren can also follow him and his work.

[@91Lennard]

Is he? I would say Os Guiness could occupy that spot too.

[@bluesky45299]

How would you prove robot has consciousness using empirical data. How do you prove to blind man what color red is using empirical data. In theory, robot can be programmed to move its hand when it touches hot surface. How do I know its having the experience of hot using test tube(Deduction/induction). The only thing i am certain of is that i have experience of hot. This experience can only come from entity that can already experience existence (Allah-one/indivisible/self-sufficient/unique/All-Loving infinite perfection). If you cannot prove your own consciousness using “scientific method”, then how can you reject the existence of Perfect/infinite metaphysical being(Allah)? “Cogito ergo sum”( I think therefore I am) should be read as “cogito ergo est”(I think therefore Allah is)

[@lightman2258]

JP Go to Hell. 🔥

[@carlosrincon1551]

Peter Kreeft is the closest thing to CS Lewis.

[@CAB-yu8uj]

I believe John Lennox attended one of C.S Lewis' last lectures! :)

[@norski4052]

1:18:26 From this point on Jordan repeatedly reframes the conversation to discuss the "psychological application" or utility of the Christian story, and each time, John brings the conversation back to gospel. I applaud John for bringing the abstract conversation to the reality of the hope we have in Christ! 👏 🙏

[@hannapiasecka-shaw2521]

Spot on.

[@so_zemlji]

JP is called by God. And even though he cannot escape the reality of God he is trying to rationalize and divert. He is consistently refusing to yield to God's call. I'm worried for him.

[@Jelly-sk2ry]

@@so_zemlji agree. I observed that about Jordan Peterson even during the Exodus discussions. He always views things from a psychological perspective, even the gospel.

[@DorinStanciu09]

@@so_zemlji Cristianity claims that Jesus is God the creator of all things. The Old Testament and even the New doesn't teach that. In fact Jesus talks about his father and his god as beeing THE GOD(Joan 20:17). So anyone who tries to promote Jesus as the creator makes a very big error and creates big confusions, an error which is mantained for 2000years now. So a man who tries to understand all these with his mind is unable to do that . Probably this is the reason we will not see Jordan declaring himself as beeing a christian. How could he understand Jesus is God and creator , when everywhere in the Gospels Jesus is declaring that his Father is THE GOD.

[@matthewizzo3350]

⁠@@DorinStanciu09you have no conception of the trinity, Jesus is the physical incarnation of the invisible God. God has taken human form several times throughout the Bible. For example, He visited Abraham in the tent. Jesus literally says before “Abraham was, I am.”, he also says “I and the father are one.” Only God can Judge, yet Jesus can judge. Jesus IS God.

[@ed17escobar]

There's one thing I just realized I love about Dr. Peterson, and it is his humbleness to really appreciate how much he can learn from other people. Rule 9.

[@dskorcik]

YES!!!! He is always open to having his mind changed by a reasonable argument to the contrary of any belief he holds, regardless of how deeply held that belief is. And conversely, his refusal to succumb to the woke bullying that tries to force a change of belief without the necessary logical argument that would warrant such a change. He is the most genuinely and humbly honest man of our times. He is an example for us all. The goal is not to be right, it's to find the truth.

[@johnmenzies3649]

Pride is Peterson's stumbling block...looks like humility but he is unwilling to get off the throne if his life...we are sinners saved by God's grace....

[@joycevaldes4548]

❤💯 spot on

[@GingerPhoenixLive]

He's real. He's honest. He is humble.

[@PsychonautInstitute]

Rule 9?

[@Laura.templeton]

John Lennox is one of the few truly brilliant minds of our times and yet he is a humble man loving God. ❤

[@GeoCoppens]

WRONG!! He is mentally ill!

[@tristanros6148]

I'm a 16 year old born again Christian. I have been waiting for Jordan to have a conversation with Dr. Lennox for quite some time now. I have once again learned a lot, thank you.

[@pigetstuck]

Have you told your faith journey online or written it up?

[@garrettgengler7637]

Bless you in the name of Jesus 🙏🏼, I was born again 2 years ago. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

[@tristanros6148]

@@pigetstuck I do have a written testimony, but it's not posted online

[@pigetstuck]

@@tristanros6148 Would you be game for sharing it?

[@2LoneAngels]

59:16 For or better or for worse, your ideas have consequences

[@KellyEngstrom]

Dr. John Lennox has a way of explaining very deep and complex concepts in a way that non-academic people can easily understand. I appreciate him so much.

[@brucewayner8036]

He’s a master in Apologetics. Jesus truly lives in this man’s heart

[@Macmike510]

Yea the exact opposite Dr Peterson whom I have followed for nearly a decade and honestly have keep a dictionary on hand during every talk.

[@Darko.Damjanovic]

He said "l believe there is a strong evidence that Jesus rose from the dead" and than proceeds with "Christ promises...".Thats not an argument or proof or anything.Thats the DELUSION in its purest form.Where is the evidence(beside his desperate wish to believe it)?This guy just says what you want to hear.I am not an atheist, l do believe that Lennox is right when he points out that something had to originate our universe.The issue is when you try to attach your Jesus or Muhammad or Moses or whoever to that force you are making extremly stupid mistake.

[@brianmabasa5251]

​@@Darko.Damjanovic So until when are you going to remain in your "guessing game"? You are just going to figure everything after you die? If you believe we were created by something or someone, isnt it common sense that you search for that truth? Christians always attach Jesus in any conversation because they cant help but share it because for them the experience that they had must be shared. Its not as if they are shoving it down everyones throat. You can say no if you want. Whats weird is others like Islam, Buddism, Judaism etc. If they claim that what they have is the truth, which is the answer to everything, then why arent they sharing it with everyone? Why is it only Christians? To the point of Christians even dying for sharing the truth that they claim that they discovered? Why is that? In addition, Jesus commanded to share the news of salvation to everyone. My problem is with people like you who are so mad when a Christian talks about Jesus. Jordan did not have any problem with it, why should you? You can always say no. Whats the big deal? whats your deal?

[@richardowusu7520]

@Darko.Djamanovic What proof fundamentally would you like for a 2024 year old death if not historically proven accounts😊

[@GingerPhoenixLive]

I appreciate John and Jordan so much. Both their voices are so necessary.

[@rhondablack5880]

John Lennox is one of the best apologists! I love him and thank God for him. ❤

[@matthewm7590]

John has been one of my favorite Christian thinkers for as long as I’ve been interested in the topic of Christianity, philosophy, and religion. He’s so great.

[@isaaccutlip5815]

First time hearing him, he gets it👍

[@TheSaiyanRace]

John Lennox is the person I've been waiting for Jordan to have a conversation with for years. I really do hope they have many more as Jordan needs more of the Theological side of these ideas that he discusses.

[@julieredmond5192]

Hear hear!

[@Daedalus1111]

The immense irony of John lennox and Jordan Peterson being on a thumbnail along with the word "truth" on it is just too great though lol you have to admit

[@philosphorus]

​@@Daedalus1111it would disgust me if it was not so hysterically outrageous

[@philosphorus]

@@gyistudios6062 theo + logical do not belong in the same vicinity. That is a neoplatonic fraud. This is what monotheism and christianity is 1. Strip the color from precious marble sculptures which remind people of meaningful things in life 2. Invent the idea of 'idol' and separate meaning in life into black and white descriptions 3. Make people themselves into colorless statues; copy and pasted identities 4. Make people forget there was actually a society that cared about their humanness 5. Brainwash people to characterize everything contrary to its totalitarian mechanism as "pagan."

[@Jmetz22]

@@Daedalus1111ya and let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[@chri7im]

So beautiful how John repeatedly weaves the gospel into his answers with so much wisdom

[@tonikirk5493]

Thank you, Jordan, for inviting, Dr. John Lennox onto your program. These insights are so comforting while stimulating.

[@emagreene9775]

I'm an accountant and an economist. I'm also a Christian. Meeting Dr. Lennox gave me comfort in the sense that I'm no longer alone in my stand point. Have a huge admiration for this man. ❤ Thank you Mr. Peterson.

[@potatorekt7046]

“At the head of our program there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will - not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord.” - Hitler, 6 September 1938 at Nuremberg

[@GreyForceTK]

JP should rethink to the slow down on the judeo-christian moniker. If going to speak of Abrahamic religion then shouldnt it be judeo-christian-islam traditions? The entire world let alone much of the West do not believe in Abrahamic religions. It is narrowing to speak of it as encompassing the entire world let alone just judeo-christian aspects of the 3 pronged abrahamic religions. To speak of judeo-christian as everyone in the world will understand him or to speak of it in a term that leaves out the Islam aspect of it puts a shadow over the entire premises of these conversations. It creates a blind spot, which can be world destabilizing in its affect which is evident in how the world, especially in the West and middle east, have been going over the past 2000 years. Something is wrong and not working. And it seems JP has hit a wall in his ability to analyze it unbiasedly.

[@jayjaygeez]

@@GreyForceTK It's "Judeo-Christian" because Islam isn't truly an Abrahamic religion, contrary to Muhammad's claims. At a fundamental level, the Qur'anic worldview does not match the Biblical worldview. This is repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, evident when studying and comparing the Qur'an to the Bible. For that reason, Islam isn't included in discussing the West's religious influences - it just didn't really have much, if anything, to do with shaping Western thought. That's why the Islamic perspective is usually left out of the conversation about the Western conception of God. And I suppose JP could be clearer about defining what he means when he says "Judeo-Christian", but I think that's better left to the viewer to find out for themselves rather than having him use time in these discussions to recap information most people choosing to watch them probably already have at least somewhat of a grasp on. These are not entry-level discussions. I don't think there's any way to have this particular discussion in a way that just anyone from any culture worldwide could easily understand even if he did take some time to explain, honestly.

[@JesusLovesTheLost]

​@@jayjaygeez Well said.

[@chrishanson7006]

Ema - may I ask what makes u say that? It sounds like Dr Lennox helps with reconciling your accountant/economist side with your Christian side. Do I understand that right? What is it about those 2 sides that creates dissonance or at least something that needs so be reconciled. I ask because I’m an attorney and I feel that same way - that my career and most everything about the modern world doesn’t fit well with my Christian beliefs. How would u describe the thoughts or views from Lennox that help u integrate everything?? Thx.

[@toluwalasearinola2908]

You won't get tired of listening to john lennox,he is a blessing of God..

[@megalopolis2015]

What a blessing to hear these two men interact. If anyone can get Jordan Peterson further down the road in his walk of faith in God, it's the marvelous John Lennox. They're both international treasures. ❤

[@Apriluser]

He is nearing the Kingdom. 😊

[@debbiepenny465]

I hope that Jordan can get out of his brilliant mind. His faith in God needs to be purposeful and understandable. BUT there is a great NEED for FAITH in this entire walk. God must draw Jordan to Himself. He is very knowledgeable about the Bible. My question is: does Jordan KNOW the Author and Logos of the Bible? Praying that Jordan’s SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING will be awakened. Dr. Lennox is DEFINITELY a wonderful roadmap toward Jordan’s understanding in this manner.

[@wealthengineer7259]

​@@debbiepenny465I totally concur. What he knows need to settle in his heart. Too much head knowledge but the eyes of his understanding must be enlightened.

[@Toasted_Buttons]

Jordan Peterson has already converted, he had a huge tearful break down talking about it, jordan peterson just likes doing a psychological analysis of it which is good and its very important modernly because hes shown that the bible truly encompasses every single institution of what it means to be human and to me thats only made it stronger.

[@douglasdavis4413]

Lean not on your own understanding... JP has a brilliant mind but at the absolute base it requires faith.

[@johnclark5115]

John Lennox is a fantastic listener.

[@kenelmtonkin7722]

Six words say so much.

[@SMacCuUladh]

you literally made me laugh out loud.

[@MartinJones92]

Absolutely fascinating - one man wrestling with lots of life's big questions and one gently serene in the calm and unflappable assurance of the answers that have been revealed to him. I hope it makes a lot of people think seriously.

[@ronald1969]

This is exactly how I saw it too.

[@rebeccabeez4628]

This is a great answer. What got me a bit irritated was that JP kept on interrupting John (mostly out of excitement) but I wish John had more speaking time. Maybe it’s just me. Idk.

[@darioferrari9794]

​@@rebeccabeez4628welcome to the JBP podcast 😅

[@misioyoggi]

That's exactly the impression I got when listening to these brilliant men.

[@aleksandarlikic7460]

Blessed are the ones who have answers revealed to them. I only wish they could answer my skepticism in a more convincing manner than "it was revealed to me". Because I have no idea if they've been day dreaming or not.

[@kengy1991]

Dr. Lennox has such a calming and personable demeanor. Thankful that the Lord is using him each and every day.

[@Lol-vt2ln]

Watch his debate with Cristopher Hitchens. The ENTIRE thing. You will immediately know the truth about god.

[@Lol-vt2ln]

@@MarisaHoare-px8or no he didn’t LMAO

[@Lol-vt2ln]

@@MarisaHoare-px8or making stuff up online per the Christian usual

[@einherjar2545]

Funny you say that. When he explained the light and how you should follow it to be beside it all the time, I thought, this is what it is. He as this "glow" I could not explain.

[@richardjones3917]

First time I was hoping Dr. Peterson would be quiet a little and let Dr. Lennox speak more. Or ask questions to develop Lennox's ideas a little more. I feel Dr. Peterson is exploring his thinking process out loud. It's fascinating most of the time, because he's a deep thinker, but I felt Dr. Lennox more coherent and concise in this conversation. Still, very grateful this is available for us! Thanks Dr. Peterson.

[@richardjones3917]

For sure! And it is Dr. Peterson’s podcast after all! Just would have liked to see a little more engagement with Dr Lennox’s ideas here than so much “trying to work out my own thinking process” from Dr Peterson. I’m a deep admirer of Peterson and his valuable work, but thought he had something to learn from Lennox on this day.

[@hannahbaker3080]

Yes, Dr. Peterson is what he presents, and I think he is seeking this stuff out with great rigor and even some deep agony. He seems to be on a quest to find God and Jesus said “if you seek Me you will find Me if you seek Me with all your heart.” Peterson has seemed pretty heart felt the last year or two and all the more recently. To Gos be the Glory, I think Peterson will come to saving faith😊

[@patrickauth4983]

I've met John and heard him speak at a christian festival for students in the UK. He was talking about the relationship between science and religion and the wisdom I gained from him that week is still something I think about to this day! Not many people have debated Richard Dawkins successfully - John has a brilliant mind and uses it for much good!

[@mickjames7962]

It’s amazing isn’t it as ultimately Dawkins isn’t very bright and why he holds the ignorant position he does. A clever fool if ever there was one.

[@jpnoobieeiboonpj858]

John Lennox is a brilliant brother in Christ. Love that man and his ministry.

[@lukeverble5999]

John Lennox was one of three who brought me back to God. So awesome to see these two speak with each other.

[@Lol-vt2ln]

Watch his debate with Cristopher Hitchens. The ENTIRE thing. You will immediately know the truth about god.

[@coolguyhennan]

Agree. Who else? I am guessing William Lane Craig and someone else?😅

[@exiledskunk5046]

I would also really like to know who the other two are. Personally not quite there yet. Jordan Peterson brought me back away from the new atheist phase i had in my late teens. Jay Dyer is one of the main ones i currently follow with other orthodox channels but looking for other interesting thinkers/channels

[@davidbrenneman1574]

​@@exiledskunk5046 on the philosophical front check out Dr William Lane Craig On the biblical/textual front check out Dr Daniel B Wallace On the scientific front check out astrophysicist Dr Hugh Ross and micro biologist Dr James Tour There are many other great mind discussing those issues but those would be my short lists of which Dr Lennox is also on the top of.

[@ostricks1983]

@@exiledskunk5046 might be William Lane Craig. Both him and John Lennox were instrumental in cementing my faith!

[@TheSvRoma]

I do not see a combination of humbleness and wisdom very often... Thank you Jordan for bringing John.

[@sandyhuffaker8626]

Dr. Lennox is an iconic teacher and unequivocal lover of God, truth, and science. He has profoundly impacted my life and exponentially expanded my love for biblical truth. He’s an absolute legend!

[@reuben.l.murray]

I have been waiting for years and years to witness Dr.Lennox and Dr.Peterson having a conversation. It finally happened..!! This is amazing.💚💚 Professor Lennox is the kindest and the most humble intellectual, you can’t not love him. Thank you for this episode Dr. Peterson.

[@cfore6639]

Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh! Yes! Me too! Dream come true!

[@brandonsummitt7579]

Same here. I was wondering if it would ever happen.

[@jf7243]

Indeed!

[@severusgomez4979]

@@brandonsummitt7579dude same!!!!

[@severusgomez4979]

Same!!

[@newyorkwes]

growing up in the early 90s, john lennox and his family lived in our street (cardiff, uk). i (along with some other boys in the street) were very good friends with john’s youngest son. we’d skateboard down the lane next to their house, and play video games (snes)! john was always reading or writing in his study in the house. a very kind and warm hearted man.

[@Maranatha-rk7lh]

Oh I wish I lived in Prof Lennox' neighbourhood, too 😊❤

[@kyralynbusaing0237]

John Lennox and JP together in an interview, I never thought it would not happen but it still got me by surprise. Good surprise! John is such a sweetheart, a cute grandpa.

[@garythompson1224]

I thank Dr Lennox for remaining faithful to the truth of the Bible as God's revelation to us. We know because the Bible tells us so!

[@reneeoceankim]

John Lennox really inspires me to declare the Truth of the gospel wherever I am put. Thank you for inviting Dr. Lennox!

[@khaoulalin8792]

For god to be God ..he don't need to do a sacrifice ...THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD "the CREATER of everything... who made this life as a test for people...who opened the door of repentence and who do not have a son or a father...he is the one who created Adam and he is the one who created Jesus as a miracle and a great prophet and messanger to his people...to be a guide clarifying to them what thy have to do and what they have to avoid.... i believe that there is no God but ALLAH and Mouhamed and Jesus are prophets and messengers of Allah...as well as Ibrahem and moses peace be upon all of them... In this life , we're going to consume every chance to see the truth..so that in the day of judgment we'll not have other than ourself to blame...don't rely on anyone ..just open heart to the one who created you...the one who see you..ask him to show you the way ..honestly believe in him . just think about think about this ...Adam was created without a father and without a mother...Eve was created from a man"from Adam's bone" without a mother and Jesus peace be him was created from a mother without a father... reflect and glorify your creator .

[@verabolton]

@@khaoulalin8792 Mr copy/paste 🙄

[@akpaul9883]

Professor Lennox is the GOAT of speaking into the nexus of modern science and theism. This collaboration was long overdue and greatly appreciated. Thank you, Jordan.

[@johngillingham5006]

Though he would reject your luciferian praise. Goat being symbolic of satan/baphomet.

[@Daedalus1111]

He's the GOAT at logical fallacies

[@jacobstewart9295]

​@Daedalus1111 I would love to see you debate this man and defend your worldview. Just my opinion, but I'd put money on John instead of a random commenter on KZbin. Given that he's more intelligent than me and you combined lol.

[@Daedalus1111]

@@jacobstewart9295 I'll grant you that in real time I'm a shit debater. Especially against someone who is used to speaking publicly on stage. But the fact that I've sat through tens of thousands of hours of claims of people like John lennox and including John lennox and was able to point out the fallacies in that reasoning, id say you'd lose your bet as to who is capable of making a better argument. For instance, John believes in an impossible imaginary being. That doesn't sound like a very stable genius does it? It sounds like someone who ought to be on the street corner in tattered clothes with a cardboard sign yelling at traffic but he got lucky enough for someone to give him a stage. He got lucky enough to live in a world where 80% of people were just as terrified into idiocy as he is.

[@jacobstewart9295]

@Daedalus1111 can you prove to me that God belongs in the category of imagery or "magic" if God lies on the outside of time, space, matter, and energy. How can you prove that John's opinion is wrong. You can't put the supernatural in a test tube and examine it based on our physical properties. And he doesn't speak on stage just because of random luck, lol. Like I said, he has more knowledge of reality and the supernatural than me, and you combined you can justify that.

[@reallifechangingtruth7679]

Greetings, this is Pastor Mike. I have huge respect for both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lennox. This is a real treat! It's not two people arguing,... it's us learning!!!! One more thing: If one truly looks earnestly into the depth and abyss of truth,... one will find GOD staring overwhelmingly back at them, clothed with the timeless truths of the ages! From Pastor Mike Benjamins, Jr. of Oregon, USA. 1-18-24 at 2:41 P.M. Oregon Time. The Remnant Church Truth Ministry.

[@TheChadPad]

Well said. God bless your ministry pastor

[@Epona52]

As a mathematician, John probably knows Dr. Frank - or at least has heard of him. He recounted how he'd asked a professor how he reconciled his science with his faith. The professor asked, "Well, haven't you read Copernicus? Haven't you read Newton?" It hadn't occurred to him that he could actually read those giants upon whose shoulders today's science stands - and they were ALL devout Christians! Kudos to these two gentlemen for a genuine examination of the state of our scientific discourse today!

[@brycew2]

I can't express how lovable John Lennox is. How could anyone dislike this guy?

[@khaoulalin8792]

For god to be God ..he don't need to do a sacrifice ...THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD "the CREATER of everything... who made this life as a test for people...who opened the door of repentence and who do not have a son or a father...he is the one who created Adam and he is the one who created Jesus as a miracle and a great prophet and messanger to his people...to be a guide clarifying to them what thy have to do and what they have to avoid.... i believe that there is no God but ALLAH and Mouhamed and Jesus are prophets and messengers of Allah...as well as Ibrahem and moses peace be upon all of them... In this life , we're going to consume every chance to see the truth..so that in the day of judgment we'll not have other than ourself to blame...don't rely on anyone ..just open heart to the one who created you...the one who see you..ask him to show you the way ..honestly believe in him .

[@verabolton]

@@khaoulalin8792 Mr copy/paste 🙄

[@klopcodez]

Uneducated people who think they know better do

[@courageousmelon5654]

I dislike him because he says nutcase things such as "atheism is a worldview". Atheism is the position of not being convinced any deity exists. Sure, it is a part of a worldview, but one can be an atheist and still believe in healing crystals, magic, horoscopes. It is not a worldview and it is just absurd to suggest it is.

[@apopheniapareidolia]

I'm confused as to why you express so strongly against the suggestion that atheism is a world view. Can you elaborate why you disagree.

[@ImxxFuZe]

We want more of John Lennox! Please, All of us would love it if you both collaborated more often =D

[@lmdrn06]

Jordan Peterson hurts my head, yet I love to hear him speak. And John Lennox, wow! I would love to sit and talk with him for days!

[@GingerPhoenixLive]

Imagine having Peterson's brain. Must be exhausting. He has so much info in there. His arguments are sound in most debates and he has been attacked so badly. I appreciate him a great deal. John does a beautiful job simplifying complex topics. He paints pictures.

[@johnsteichen5239]

Yes he hurts my head. He goes out of his way to use words I have to look up. That’s irritating at age 81. Dr Lennox deftly handles complex subjects with humility and wisdom.

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

When I this episode, I gasped aloud and exclaimed “oh my gosh. Oh my gosh!”, so much that my husband asked what the matter was 😂 I came to faith in Christ _because_ of Dr. John Lennox, and a few other apologists of his caliber. I’m a very logical person, and I don’t believe anything without good evidence and rationale behind it… Dr. Lennox was one of the people who revealed to me just how much of that there is for the claims of the Bible. This episode makes me so happy. I’m so pleased for you, Jordan, that you got to speak with Dr. Lennox.

[@philosphorus]

You have been lied to and manipulated. Jordan Peterson said his favorite philosopher is Nietzsche. Nietzsche said Christianity needs to be extirpated and literally "poisons everything." He actually said "Every time I shake the hand of a religious man I feel the sincere need to wash my hands."

[@pigetstuck]

What other apologists do you respect?

[@milo_thatch_incarnate]

@@pigetstuck - Good question! I love Dr. Frank Turek, J Warner Wallace, Greg Koukl, Lee Strobel, and Dr. Voddie Baucham as well, because they're also logical and evidence driven.

[@Crosses3]

I love how Dr Lennox looks at Dr Peterson. Dr. Lennox seems to really enjoy seeing others have deep thoughts. This is a good discussion.

[@GingerPhoenixLive]

Lennox has a love for everyone. Even in tense debates. He cares.

[@timstark3312]

Very glad for the opportunity to listen in on this meeting of two titanic, yet minimally hubristic, minds. "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD."

[@missmagillicutty6721]

OUTSTANDING EPISODE!!!!💯🎤💧 These two men are absolute gifts to our time on this earth. Thank you Mr. Peterson and Mr. Lennox for everything you do!!! God bless!! 🙏😇🥰

[@doc_phil]

Absolutely.

[@imnotanalien7839]

28:43… how do you come up with a hypothesis..(thought)… There is present thought, but behind that is subconscious thought, running on its own and very rational. But it can pop into present thought. I had this happen. 😂 Only once that I’m aware of. It’s such an interesting topic. This discussion was fascinating, I could listen to John Lennox all day with his wonderful Irish accent and his brilliant mind. Jordan Peterson is the perfect person to pair with John Lennox on faith and science. I hope they have many more discussions! ❤️✝️

[@missmagillicutty6721]

@@doc_phil 🙏😇🥰

[@missmagillicutty6721]

@@imnotanalien7839 Absolutely!!!!🙏😇🥰

[@justanothernick3984]

@@imnotanalien7839 Yes, it’s like the olympic level of mental gymnastics. That’s a good way of thinking about it. 😃

[@laurafortier9295]

I don't know what it is, but there is something powerful about hearing about Jesus from an Irish believer. They put things so beautifully. Like painting a picture in my mind. I could listen to him for hours

[@FatherNDaughterFun]

Same. 🙂

[@barrywhite36]

The old Belfast accent . Fascinating in its own right . One of the worlds wonders

[@SMacCuUladh]

@@barrywhite36 He'a not from Belfast, he's from the small city of Armagh. The Belfast accent is alittle harsher on the ear, lol.

[@gracie30ish]

Same and though I love listening to Jordan Peterson Lennox was able to connect the mind to the soul for me.

[@WashingtonDC99]

I love the Irish ❤❤

[@toniduval4350]

I literally gasped with delight when I saw Peterson had interviewed my favorite theological grandpa! Lennox is the most adorable genius I know 😊❤ However, the interview was not how I imagined it should be. Peterson seemed solely interested in stating things both he and Lennox could agree on and affirm rather than presenting any challenging viewpoints they could debate together. I would have ideally liked to see Jordan present his own personal quandaries in believing in Christ to this heartily seasoned Christian, so we might all glean some of Lennox's insights. Perhaps Lennox is getting slower in his old age and not therefore not the greatest for spontaneous long form content, or perhaps Peterson is simply not very comfortable sharing his personal struggles with Christianity online. I don't know what their reasons were for avoiding this topic, but it seems to me like a heck of a 'missed opportunity'. I am very very pleased to hear Lennox might be back, that we can perhaps correct this egregious wrong, and maybe help settle and soothe some baby Christians who are not as mature in their faith as Lennox plainly is ❤

[@aprilbeck2183]

So grateful for the discussions you bring to the public. They are so thought provoking and informative. Thankyou Jordan for making a difference ❤

[@PaulStringini]

I love John Lennox. He doesn't merely smuggle Jesus in, he climbs the third turnbuckle and elbow drops him in. As it should be.

[@PaulStringini]

Fair enough.

[@marlenegura1161]

Love how you said that!!!!❤❤❤

[@PaulStringini]

@@marlenegura1161 Well, I love how you love that! 😄

[@JohnAlexanderBlog]

This was certainly a shock. THANK GOD FOR THIS CONVERSATION.

[@doc_phil]

A good one. Couldn’t wait to watch it.

[@marymelnyk3678]

I love listening to John .. he reminds me of a laughing Buddha … both in looks and his expression as he imparts so much wisdom when he talks 🙏🥰

[@ajbunches825]

😊wonderful. Please have more conversations like this Dr. Peterson. The world owes you an immense debt of gratitude. YOU are a blessing to all of us.

[@humblehalfacre8464]

John Lennox.... humble wholesome, timeless believer.

[@christinechongwo3795]

Thank you Prof. Lennox. So refreshing to hear you speak. You've hada big influence in my Christian walk

[@alisacarideo1984]

Want so much to attend Mr. Lennox’s lectures. He’s so humble, honest, combined with a sweet sense of humor! I try to watch all his you tubes…and with child-like faith underneath God’s gifts to him with intelligence, is so awesome how much he loves Jesus and brings God to those who have the equal intelligence and can understand the gospel from his heart and expertise. The Lord bless both him and those in his heart…thank you Lord for giving him to us!!!✝🙌🐏👏🏼❤

[@cthlite]

Peterson and Lennox are a pleasure to listen to. They are both absolute treasures and caste much light on the human condition and the reason for being. I look forward to more wisdom from these two humble men.

[@markbrainard1783]

Amazing serendipitous thing happened to me. I discovered John Lennox only a couple weeks ago and have been watching an array of his videos. Just yesterday (6Nov2023) it occurred to me that perhaps Jordan had interviewed him before so I searched for it. Voila! This interview had just been released literally a few hours prior to me having searched for it! Thank you Jordan! Dr. Lennox is a treasure.

[@Maranatha-rk7lh]

I discovered Prof Lennox some years ago. He is a gift to humanity❤

[@snoxeri]

God is great

[@awoj51]

Watch Hitchens- Lennox debate.

[@charitysimon-peraboh5555]

I imagine the feeling 😂😂

[@artemisaduenas6120]

I just discovered him and I am crying with joy.

[@betterdaysahead3746]

I love Dr. Lennox and I imagine a conversation with him would be absolutely lovely. Thank you for this interview, Jordan, and thank you both for your humility and love for mankind. God bless.

[@dalelerette206]

I think Einstein used the hypothetical deductive method, a very good rule of thought. Jesus said ask, seek, knock.

[@11even_]

Idk how it happens but it happens everytime. An hour and a half conversation seemingly feeling like it was only 15 minutes 😭 thank you to both gentlemen for taking the time and I hope to hear/see it happen again in the near future 🫶🏽

[@hjr2000]

I've been privileged to meet John a number of times. What a wonderful, Godly and humble man.

[@audioglenngineer]

The simple joy in Lennox’ face at listening to Peterson’s propositions is my favorite part of this conversation. Whether I agree or fully understand him, I always enjoy his friendly, ornery undertone. The world could use more of that.

[@SMacCuUladh]

there are a lot of videos of Dr Lennox on youtube, the more you watch the more the deeper meaning of some of his points enter into your own understanding.

[@meglukes]

I remember watching a recording of one of his debates with Richard Dawkins and a top comment was that it was like watching an Irish Santa Claus debate the devil. He’s just got that special demeanor no matter what he’s doing.

[@philosphorus]

​@@meglukesHe is a sanctimonious narcissist, just like Peterson. Two peas in a pod.

[@williammcqueen1951]

Absolutely Spot on 100%, audioglenngineer! I thought the same too. Guy is a National Treasure. I have all his books; if only I had 1/10 of that wonderful brain and personality.

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

Lennox is very much like the wise grandfather. He smiles knowlingly as the child bumps into obstacles left and right, knowing that the child will eventually find the path. Along the way he offers bits of wisdom that you'll only understand in time when you think it's your own idea.

[@beaconoftruth1990]

I can't describe how grateful I am to be alive during this time with thinkers like JP and John Lennox. Conversations like this set my soul heart and mind on fire. Thank you gentlemen for this rich thought provoking conversation🙏🏽

[@Tokernoph]

Agreed we’re living in strange times but I bet future generations will be looking back listening to Jordan and saying, “Why couldn’t we all see it?” But it’ll be too late.

[@winniethuo9736]

What do you think of the great psychologist Robert Spalvosky on his work? Some of his thinking and findings stored in his book Determined?

[@sabrinashaw9939]

So well said, my feelings exactly!

[@ritzy0891]

True

[@kenbowling5955]

It's been a blessing to watch Dr Peterson being drawn closer to the Lord.

[@rustysmalls]

Lennox has been a lecturer for decades on the relationship between science and religion. His intellectual defense of these seemingly disparite subjects has always been fascinating. The succinct and skilful answers he gives nicely contrast Peterson's long windedness

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

This year I got to see Dr Jordan Peterson, Professor John Lennox and Hans Zimmer live. 2023 has been my year. Thank you Jesus.

[@SMacCuUladh]

My financee cheated on me, took my house and moved her new boyfriend in, she won't let me see my step-daughter anymore, my father has been extremely unwell, I lost my job and my uncle just died. Not my year, I'm praying next year will be better.

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

@@SMacCuUladh Jesus Christ helped me during my horrendous times in the past, had a few girls myself who cheated on me. It's awful, not kids involved though. Though perhaps Jesus he may help you too if you talk to him. He will reveal himself. I'm so sorry to hear about your experience, sounds horrible. As Tolkien said, even darkness must pass and a new day will come, the sun will shine and shine out the clearer. My deepest sympathy to you and I will have you in my prayers tonight. God bless from Ireland.

[@SMacCuUladh]

@@IrishTechnicalThinker I'm in Ireland too! and I talk to God every day. The love of the Lord has been the only thing keeping me half way together through all of this. Thank you so much for your prayers, I really appreciate it. We also got knocked out at the quarter finals (again) in the RWC this year, which was also pretty crappy but the 6Ns will be back soon and we can all foregt about that for another four years, lol. COYBIG!

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

@@SMacCuUladh No way! That's crazy, I'm up in Belfast and pleasure to meet you albeit online lol yeah, faith is something I lost years ago but found faith again in my mid 20's, always believed in ghosts etc but never considered God. Then found Lennox years ago and he helped me see in the new light. Loved lord of the rings too, never seen the Christian themes running throughout it until older and I read the books all the time. Just like Frodo, when he carrying the ring the longer he carries it the heavier it gets and that's like our trauma in life. We carry it around with us and by all rights it should be destroyed but it's too hard sometimes. I know. Rugby is my favourite sport next to martial arts, we did so well and went out fighting to the death against the best team in the world. 6 nations are great and my partner loves Rugby too, she was a Christian before I met her and a way better one than me but you will find a good a woman again. I'm uploading a video soon to my channel talking about my struggles and how I coped so perhaps stop by sometime and we can definitely talk more. Dia leat mo chara.

[@Curniar]

This is the conversation I've been waiting years for. 10 years ago I saw a lecture by John Lennox and it completely changed my way of thinking.

[@Willzyx88]

Same. Was around 2012 when I discovered Lennox. What a treat this is.

[@garyjames9445]

I truly appreciate Jordan and his daily wire series on Exodus. His amazing insight, along with that of the men on that panel is what the world needs. I've been a big fan of John Lennox, and having him as an addition to that panel will add a perspective listeners will need to hear.

[@flavadave3943]

I could listen to these two great men converse 24/7.

[@jpramirez4584]

This is gold. I have been waiting for J.P. to interview Dr. Lennox.

[@bruha321]

gold is created in a supernova explosion. No god was needed to create the gold.

[@jkturtle]

I have been wishing for this conversation to happen! Jordan, please open your mind and heart to John's revelations of truth!

[@mystrength5640]

I pray for Prof Peterson and his Family to open their hearts to Jesus, Fully !

[@susanjaneturner]

The Holy Spirit was sent to convict of sin and to convince the person of the truth of Christ being the final sacrifice, our Redeemer. Please remember dear Jordon that He and His sacrifice and resurrection is not a metaphor.

[@parjau4554]

It does seem that Jordan has made an idol out of intellectualism. But God is inconceivably beyond human intellect. Far, far more than a human's intellect is beyond a flea. Beside's that, the spiritual world does not 'make sense' intellectually. It does not follow 3 dimensional or human logic. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. He does seem to be hovering around Christianity but another thing that may be holding him back (from taking the leap) is his ego and desire to be respected by everyone. E.g. what would muslims think of him if he declared he was a Christian?

[@guyfeldman4404]

Wonder how these two giants deal with the problem that everything we " know " about Jesus was written 40 + years after the fact , probably by people who were not actually eye-witnesses to the events.

[@parjau4554]

@@guyfeldman4404 Jesus was crucified 33AD. 1 Corinthians was written ~50AD. In 1 Cor 15:6, Paul says, talking of the resurrected Jesus: "After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep." "Most of whom are still living!". Seems an easily refutable statement but it was never refuted. Also, Paul in his letters speaks of meeting and having discussions with Peter/Cephas (of deny 3 times fame) who was one of Jesus' disciples.

[@pjbrand6678]

OMG, what a professional conversation on a high level. Please keep doing this. it is really important for our civilization. Thanks for both professors and all who makes this possible 🙌

[@pedroapples1680]

God bless Dr. Lennox, his lectures inspired my spiritual journey when I began in 2011. Lately I've been struggling with my faith, hoping to see more come from it without feeling like I'm just drowning in the light of others' progress. God help me to empty myself and see the good wherever it is.

[@lukesullivant]

As a father of middle-school aged kids, these moments are amongst the very few that I put my foot down and say: "wait, don't walk away....hang in there, don't stop listening..."

[@rockyseverino9230]

I saw this thumbnail and said, "No way." So excited to listen to these two minds interact And very pleased to see Dr. Lennox is still with us. He's truly a beautiful soul.

[@kevinosborn2]

I am a minor theologian, retired (at 70) pastor, hospital chaplain and Bible teacher who has dealt with a lot of pain and suffering in 30 years of ministry and 70 years of life. I am currently writing "The theology of Appreciation" based on my belief that this reality we all live through is all designed by God to teach us to appreciate Heaven. Those He is saving need to learn to appreciate who God is and how much He loves us. I have come to realize that this is the only explanation that adequately explains why we live, suffer and die. It is all for our own good. So that we will learn. As well I have come to believe Christianity needs to emphasize the heavenly body we have been promised.

[@thedibstar712]

A wonderful discussion! I appreciate the attitude of both very much, and particularly loved Lennox's comments about God making the sacrifice that we ourselves could not do. That's what makes Christianity different from every world religion. Salvation by grace and not by works.

[@cpthillbilly]

I've been waiting for this beautiful conversation for a long time. I love Prof. John Lennox, although I have never met him. Thank you Dr. Peterson for this gift to humanity.

[@trulsrohk1]

I remember watching his debate/conversation with Dawkins back in the day, and it seemed pretty clear that Dawkins had been so used to dunking on YEC and strictly fundamentalist believers, that he was completely unprepared and out of his depth when it came to a deeper philosophical discussion

[@khaoulalin8792]

For god to be God ..he don't need to do a sacrifice ...THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD "the CREATER of everything... who made this life as a test for people...who opened the door of repentence and who do not have a son or a father...he is the one who created Adam and he is the one who created Jesus as a miracle and a great prophet and messanger to his people...to be a guide clarifying to them what thy have to do and what they have to avoid.... i believe that there is no God but ALLAH and Mouhamed and Jesus are prophets and messengers of Allah...as well as Ibrahem and moses peace be upon all of them... In this life , we're going to consume every chance to see the truth..so that in the day of judgment we'll not have other than ourself to blame...don't rely on anyone ..just open heart to the one who created you...the one who see you..ask him to show you the way ..honestly believe in him .

[@verabolton]

@@khaoulalin8792 Enjoy copy/paste? Do your really have no original thoughts?

[@HeraldTheGoodNews]

@@khaoulalin8792 I can only feel sorry for you

[@PBAdventures146]

​@khaoulalin8792 Jesus wasn't just a great prophet. Logically based on what He said, He claimed to be God in the flesh. He was killed for that claim. He was either a liar and lunatic. Or He was Lord. He could not be just a great prophet based on His own claims... and His resurrection proved His diety.

[@palmgrubbins1505]

Dr Lennox is to me what CS Lewis was to him. An inspiration. A shining light. A calm, rational and logical voice amongst so much dogma and aggression. And Jordan (first name basis of course) has a truly remarkable mind. Not only is he a great defender of the faith but a great debator on a magnificently wide range of subjects. It seems to me he is the modern Socrates, constantly challenging our presuppositions and expanding our range of knowledge. I am in awe of both these people, they both give me strength in my life. I am grateful for their existence and gracious participation in this world and I wish them health and happiness and long service to the Lord. Thank you both. Oh, maybe I'm also envious of you both too. I can't discount or ignore that. I haven't the intellect or emotional maturity to fully grasp the enormity of what you are saying. But I want to. And I try. I am knocking and hoping that Jesus is just busy running a bath or making a cup of tea.

[@valley5617]

Peterson is NOT a defender of the faith if you are talking about Christianity. He is hopelessly lost. Pray for him. By the way, Jesus is not busy and intellect is actually an impediment to people like Peterson. He tries to find the meaning hidden in the scriptures and takes everything as a metaphor instead of seeing the clear meaning of God’s words.

[@palmgrubbins1505]

Thanks@@valley5617, I am finding intellect an impediment. Not that I'm intelligent by any stretch, but questions keep rearing their head. I personally find people like Peterson impressive and comforting as they commit themselves to Christ despite their propensity to question and interpret everything. Obviously, I don't know Jordan, so cannot comment on his personal relationship with God, but I take something from his insights. I appreciate an unfettered belief in God would solve all of my issues but unfortunately I still at the stage where I am dependent on the wisdom and guidance of others.

[@paradoxpoke]

What's up brother I don't know your life or situation but in regards to your knocking comment I wanted to say that sometimes when we knock we get answer that we're not expecting and if we're expecting it to be in a certain way it can conceal the answer from us. I think the saying "take one step towards God and he will take two towards you" is true and he knows the heart so if you're asking him and walking in Jesus' teachings with the right intentions and reading the word I would just encourage you to keep going and it's very possible that if you walk the right way- even though it might not feel like much progress you could hit a breakthrough and look back and see how necessary all the seeking was. -- I sent this comment to someone who asked me a question recently asking how to maintain his faith (not that I'm perfect or this amazing teacher or something) and I felt like sharing it to you if it's of any interest- but my bad if I'm making any presumptions. God bless you bro. The comment: "1. Ask God to keep your faith regularly and to grow it 2. Confess doubts and worries and anxieties and also sins to God articulately and feel ok about putting in the open to him 3. It's ok to question your faith but just beware of the lie that pessimism or negativity is the same as truth or realism. Assume God knows something you don't and just try to obey him and do right and spiritually I think things fall into place there. I think asking for God's will to be done and not your own will can be a powerful thing 4. Stay reading God's Word in the bible regularly and consistently- know why you're doing it and dont treat it like a chore, try to understand it and spend time around Christians asking them about it (even online or at church) Philippians 4 " do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." 1 Peter 5 "Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you. Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world. And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you. To him be the dominion forever and ever. Amen." Also 5. Lifestyle has an affect on our mental state tbh: so if you're looking after yourself and obeying God and addressing/confessing sin you're basically taking care of your body which can be a dwelling place for God's Spirit Galatians 5:16 "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh." Sorry if this is a lot of information but I guess lastly if you're focusing on the most important things are which loving people, loving God, obeying God, being truthful and walking in the Spirit (gal 5:22-23) then things work for themselves and even if things aren't going perfect you'll know you're doing the most important thing. Remember that God does the work in us and it's not our own doing we just have to have the faith and walk forward to receive it so if you feel like you dont have strength just ask God about all of it directly and keep on expressing things to him because he's faithful. Remember God's outcome is always better even if it doesnt seem like it and if God isn't for something it will never flourish in the long run"

[@palmgrubbins1505]

@@paradoxpoke thanks so much. That's very kind and empathetic. I'm honestly moved by your attention to my post and detailed reaction. I was a militant atheist for a while there but it led only to a world without meaning and hope. While others might be okay with that, or even revel in it, it is a dark existence that takes a different type of faith to sustain. A selfish faith, in my opinion. Thanks again brother. Peace be with you.

[@lynetteheitman5118]

The Word which is Christ, will send his Holy Spirit to lead you and guide you into all Truth!

[@PsychoBible]

The joy of the Lord exudes from John. I'm happy to have him getting exposure, modeling the heart and intellect of Christ.

[@nathanschaupp9709]

I find myself bouncing between Peterson and Lennox during my daily "KZbin University" session. A man who humbly yet unabashedly searches and speaks truth is such a blessing to all in earshot. To have them both in one place and discussing something so vastly important was a real treat! I'm sure I'll wind up watching this one at least a dozen times. Thank you gentlemen, you never cease to inspire!

[@nathanschaupp9709]

I don't wave "the flag" but I freaking LOVE these men. 😅

[@SimonRefaloGuitaristOfficial]

I love Jordan Peterson, his books and lectures brought me back to valueing the bible and strengthening my faith. I love how in real time he is unpacking and talking out loud his thoughts and trying to psyscologically make sense of God and theology, all with a furrowed brow and with the weight of the world on his shoulders. While on the other side is John Lennox with a serene disposition patiently listening to JP unpack his thoughts- i wonder if John is praying and thinking - 'Jordan iam inspired by you my son, but just let go , trust and believe in this Jesus and the Christian faith you talk about. I wonder.

[@thomaswerdel5731]

That final expansion from John about the Lazarus story and how it intertwined with exactly what Jordan experiences in clinical studies on people with phobias was such an amazing correlation. It seems like Jordan does his best to not acknowledge the importance of believing in Christ and the New Testament for a real future salvation and resurrection in the literal sense, but as a literary metaphor for the transformation of the psyche more-so. That final correlation John made with Lazarus and Jordan’s real life work is just soooooo deep almost unbelievable how pertinent and real the story and the meaning is if you actually believe it as a reality and not as a fable. Seems like Jordan deals in the possibilities and potentials of orienting yourself towards the “model” of Christ as like a self help mechanism, but won’t fully accept the faith and put his trust in Christ as God for his own salvation. I say it seems because I don’t know his heart, but I just don’t see him ever enter those deeper waters that John was bringing the conversation towards. Great stuff

[@curiousgeorge555]

This 👆

[@suehamblin9652]

Agree!

[@soniavadnjal7553]

He may accept, one day. Don't forget, CS Lewis was also an atheist, once. Then he became one of Christianity:s greatest defenders (or apologists).

[@SojiRo23]

Well said

[@thomaswerdel5731]

@@soniavadnjal7553 again this is an assumption on my part, but one thing that may be intentional on Jordan’s part is not explicitly saying whether he believes it’s true or not, or whether he considers himself a Christian or not, I know he is very very precise with his words and I think if he came out and said he was a Christian, it would give his detractors an easy out, basically everyone in the media will label him as a religious bigot and be able to hurl large words around at him without having to actually engage his beliefs, they do this all the time. They look for a label to attach to you and then hurl insults at the “group” you belong to. So I think that may be another reason for him not wanting to call himself a Christian, so that people will have to engage with his study of the subject and without being tempted to attack labels or stereotypes they create about “Christian’s”.

[@bdh9904]

What a brilliant thinker is John Lennox.

[@PaperGrape]

Truly

[@StephenUmeri]

Thank you for this conversation. Have been praying for you both to have a conversation. Its an answered prayer!

[@321Stevie123]

What a wholesome smile. My gosh. You can tell the spirit of Christ fills his soul.

[@E45F678]

Yes! So humble, patient, polite and well-spoken. He is a true Christian in his heart, not just in name. Compare his demeanour to some of his debating opponents, like Richard Dawkins, who just ooze arrogance, sarcasm, condescension, pride and ego. I can barely stand to listen to those people.

[@travwilson7827]

YES!!! Finally! Perfect!!! Way to go, Dr. P! Have Lennox back 20 times!

[@doc_phil]

😅 Absolutely!

[@davidbrenneman1574]

Agreed

[@TheSouthernorycle]

Asked for this a year ago but never thought it would happen. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lennox. This is pure Awesomesauce.

[@whitestoneandy797]

Same!!! It's a blessing to see them together!

[@doc_phil]

Absolutely. Now for William Lane Craig, right?

[@JamesStorey09]

We truly are blessed to be able to see these conversations. Our society needs these. ❤ Thank you for everything Dr. Peterson.

[@bartlemmons1704]

This gentleman John has the right idea. I witnessed the eclipse today i felt the power of the creation today. Today God made his creation experienceful in that moment for me. It was very spiritual for me. God showed me his glory today and im forever thankful for that experience.

[@stunns2003]

Dr. John Lennox is a “must have” for all the Jordan Peterson Biblical series going forward.

[@karl5395]

This interview is destined to become one of the most important of our time.

[@yeshalloween]

I agree

[@dalenev6381]

True indeed👍

[@nathanvarghese.]

Yesss, finally!! Jordan Peterson and John Lennox

[@Mrrvic2678]

You cal J. Peterson been doing a lot of Bible studies lately .. you’ve come a long way brother❤

[@jomai2040]

Watching Dr. Lennox, it feels so good to be a Christian. When you see him, you know that he's got your back.

[@mathiasvc9213]

We demand atleast 5 more episodes of these 2 gentleman talking!! ;D

[@nickp3672]

Lord, open the eyes of Jordan Peterson. Amen.

[@richiefoerster7574]

Oh, this must have occured while I was on break from KZbin. Cheers! John Lennox is one of my favorite thinkers.

[@mannyphantom709]

Lord have mercy, I've been hoping these two would have a conversation. So glad to see them share a dialogue.

[@ChrisPetrocchi]

Yes! Finally! I have been waiting for this interview for 5 years. Thank you Jordan for having this brilliant mind on your show

[@RossPeterson06]

Same. He fills in the gospel and intelligent design / “word-based universe” gap that’s missing in Jordan’s thinking. That’s not to be critical / harsh on Jordan-I love all that he’s contributed and I’m genuinely happy for him to have John step in for that gap.

[@ChrisPetrocchi]

Yeah for sure. I thought Jordan would have an 'aha' moment when John mentioned the Word, semiotics and how God spoke and made the universe and all in it. I mean, that's one of Jordan's big things is the Logos and how he speaks hbitable order out of chaos. Cheers! @@RossPeterson06

[@Daedalus1111]

Brilliant? Hahaha you have my pity. I know you're not smart enough to understand why you have my pity but maybe one day you will.

[@erikglow8458]

this particular podcast needs more views as it is for the benefit of human flourishing. Thank you Dr. Peterson, thank you Dr. Lennox, but most importantly thank you God for your rich spirit and comfort in these trying times.

[@chrismalice_music]

It is to me, absolutely fabolous to listen to 2 VERY intelligent minds having what i would call a respectful and empatheric exchange of ideas, all leading to wanting to know the very existence of our Creator. Very helpful and inspiring

[@forgiven1916]

I love John Lennox! Thank you so much for having him on your show!