Is the Underdark also Khyber in Eberron? | D&D

[@Jorphdan]

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[@Dahaka-rd6tw]

Could you do video about Sertrous or Leviathan (the elder evil one) if future?

[@jamesadamsfl]

Both the Underdark and Khyber are amazing settings, and I'm glad both the Forgotten Realms and Eberron were able to create distinct and interesting versions of the same basic idea: the terror below our feet. I'm also interested by Baker's word-choice. The Abyss doesn't exist in the 13 planes of Eberron. So, perhaps Khyber is a means of leaving Eberronspace and entering the Great Wheel and the larger DnD multiverse.

[@RusCoon]

Small correction: There is no "Cult of The Dragon Below". From Exploring Eberron: "The title “Cult of the Dragon Below” is a blanket term used to describe any sect that serves a malevolent power or has bizarre beliefs that defy rational thought. But no member of such an organization would call themselves a “cultist of the Dragon Below.” The "Inner Sun" cult is just ONE of the "Cults of The Dragon Below", not THE Cult.

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks!

[@andrewshandle]

Reminds me of comics when I was a kid, Magneto formed the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants", but why the heck would he refer to his group like that? ;)

[@kannathraymaker]

The Underdark existed in Greyhawk before the Forgotten Realms was published -- 1978 module D3: Vault of the Drow. The World of Greyhawk has just as extensive of an underdark as the Forgotten Realms.

[@nigelhirth2181]

This part. While i'm sure making the Forgotten Realms the default setting has helped attract new blood, and some of the old settings are starting to see some love, I really feel that the old settings are still criminally overlooked.

[@cameronpearce5943]

I’ve been a big FR fan for ages, but you’re absolutely right and I look forward to Greyhawk and Krynn getting more focus going forward

[@o_double_t_o]

I was surprised how much Oerth was used in the 3rd Edition core books. It makes sense when you think about it, the purchase of D&D from TSR which had used Oerth instead of Mystara when 2nd Edition was published. I just hope the teases from Ray Wininger about a new campaign setting is the new default for 6th Edition/ 5.5e.

[@kannathraymaker]

@@cameronpearce5943 I too have been a fan of the Forgotten Realms since they came out. We used to run games that moved between the prime planes back in 1e! Long before spelljamming.

[@eddokter]

A difference I'd add in older editions. Oerth is a hollow world with an under dark like cave system in between. Toril's under dark eventually led to Abeir with the Faerzress radiation being a side effect. I think both concepts were eventually ditched or altered in Cannon, but I still liked them.

[@Draakhart_961]

My favourite description ever of Khyber is: What if the Underdark merged with the Abyss and the Far Realm, and was as easy to step in as the Feywild? Everything terrible is a possible to find there, as well as great wealth and opportunity. Find a stable connection between two tunnels, and House Orien might just try make a railway through there, explore the Realm Below of the Mror Holds and find both the treasures of Ancient Dwarves and the struggle of 'The War Below' - an active conflict taking place indeed, in Khyber. The question is, will you stay around long enough for a good find to turn into sour reality?

[@ExplosionsRkewl]

Khyber is a great tool for DM’s to introduce other settings; a table that wants to integrate Curse of Strahd could easily find a path into Barovia via the depths of Khyber, or easily any of the other domains of dread

[@tiagomatos5687]

After the Dread Metrol seems that The Mournland is a Domain of the Mists. But I liked your idea 😈

[@berserkape1014]

I mean just anywhere Thelanis or Mabar intersect in general.

[@medicgaming9117]

Theres also an ebberon specific domain of dread, which is a lightning rail that didn’t quite escape the Mourning.

[@frigginsepone446]

Eberron is by far my most preferred DnD setting. Thanks for your videos, I link them for my players regularly, highly appreciated. Would love to see more in the future... 🤪

[@BasketCurly]

I love that u tackled this topic

[@TyLarson]

Batbara Hambly's Time of the Dark is one of my favorite underdark inspiration.

[@danieloconnell7125]

Thank you so much for making Lore on Eberron. I made it my primary setting when the 5e book came out but its hard to find good lore summaries in the setting, let alone a good wiki page.

[@InquisitorThomas]

I’d recommend checking out Keith Baker’s blog, there’s a lot of good information for free there.

[@GameSquadX]

Someone's already mentioned Keith's blog, but if you don't already have it I would *HIGHLY SUGGEST* picking up Exploring Eberron, which KB also wrote for 5e.

[@saltybarry9647]

Woo-hoo more Eberron! 🥳 Best setting 👁👁

[@gcampoverde]

My feelings exactly!

[@ryanflake3481]

Best by far. I wish we could get an adventure path supplement from Wizards set in it.

[@gcampoverde]

@@ryanflake3481 I haven't tried the Oracle of War, but it's available via DM's Guild. Have a look at it, it may be what you're looking for.

[@ryanflake3481]

@@gcampoverde I actually am in the midst of running a game adapted from Call of the Netherdeep. Made the Apotheon into a championship of the orcs during the war against the Daelkyr who got power from Dragons instead of Gods, set the first part of it in the Shadow Marches and replaced the Krynn soldiers with some House Tharashk employees former soldiers, so on and so forth. Actually working out pretty well so far. But it would still be *way* cooler if we had an official story path that further developed some corner of the setting. Heck, the whole thing could be in Sharon and I would still be cool with it.

[@eberron_arch]

Great video as an introduction to Khyber for non Eberron players! There are a couple Eberron lore issus, and way things are phrased that might be misleading to people who don't know the lore well might be confused by, but still a good starting point for people brand new to the concept. Once I get around to doing my own video on Khyber - I know I won't be able to keep it so concise, and it will end up being 40 minutes or an hour long.

[@brotherjorge3]

Well, I’m sharing this to my Discord chat right now

[@centimarsiosolas6971]

The Underdark is not just under Faerun. Greyhawk also has an Underdark, and its a term used in many homebrew campaigns as well. Another term sometimes used is Deepearth, which can be found in the 1986 1st Edition Dungeoneer's Survival Guide (which also uses the term Underdark).

[@igormendonca8049]

I happen to be recreating the Out of the Abyss for Eberron instead of Forgotten Realms. And I am studying their diferent themes and characteristics. How about a follow up video doing the same conjecture? How would YOU adapta Out of the Abyss into Eberron? Drows are different; Duergar are different; Khyber is different; even the demons and the Abyss are diferrent! This is a really coll challenge. I love this kind of challenges as a GM

[@InquisitorThomas]

I haven’t played out of the Abyss so I can’t adapt the beat by beat because I simply don’t know how the adventure goes but I can give you some rough equivalents. One Drow Culture called the Umbragen lives in Kyber and they’re the closest equivalent to the standard Drow. Demon Lords and Arch Devils can be incorporated into Eberron in multiple ways: Demon Princes can be very powerful native fiends that rule over their own Demiplane while not quite being Overlords, they can be incredibly powerful unique fiends from one of the 13 planes like Orcus being from Mabar, or you can use the Demon Prince Stat blocks as a rough approximate for an Overlord/Dalkyr that doesn’t have an existing 5e Statblock or you just made up (Orcus as the Gatekeeper, Jubilex as Kyrzin, etc.) Duergar are slightly tricky since technically they’ve been pretty much solely mentioned in Lore as living in Sarlona, however there’s a couple things you can do with Duergar: The Sarlonan Duergar either branched off from a Duergar society that resides in a Demiplane in Kyber who do practice things like Slavery, maybe they’re the remnants of the Ancient pre-Mror civilization that managed to fend off the Dalkyr, maybe they’re intelligent/sane Derro, maybe they’re time traveling descendants of the One Mror clan that went missing 400 years ago.

[@agentchaos9332]

That really depends, on how much you want to keep the Demon lords as written, or alter them to fit the setting, or create completely new characters. I could Feasibly see Demigorgon, or Orcus, being straight up overlords in their own right, they have the power to be comparable to them...the rest of the Demon lords aren't that strong, Lore-wise and Stat-wise. Khyber itself meanwhile, the only way you could tie that to the abyss is saying Khyber is an aspect, or different name for Tharizdun. Or perhaps Khyber in its slumber has reached into the abyss and has summoned Demon lords to free it, in exchange for promises of power. However the big 3 Demon lords have so much specific lore, and origin stories to them that making them fit in ebberon cosmology would require some tweaking. It would be easier to throw Zuggutmoy, Jubilex or Fraz-urb-lur into the story, if you want to portray them as children of Khyber, lore-wise. Again keeping in mind that those three aren't strong enough to be Overlords

[@shinon748]

Drow and still be Drow just read up on the Umbragen tribe of Drow. The demon lords would all be Overlords trapped in Khyber. Make the Umbragen Drow being manipulated by a secretive group of Rakshasa that are part of the Lords of Dust working to free the demon lords. You can replace Gauntlegrym with one of the many Dwarven strongholds in the Mror Holds. Instead of a Bruenor the Dwarf King replace him with a high ranking House Kundarak noble. This is to be a story where one of the Draconic Prophecies has been fulfilled and the demon Overlords are about to be free and this takes place on the short gap between the Prophecy being fulfilled and the Lords of Dust being able to break the prisons open. Replace the final demonlord v demonlord a fight of one Demonlord that was freed with an avatar of the Silver Flame. And the aftermath of this fight is the Silver Flame resealing the demonic Overlords. The Maze Engine McGuffin is the key to release the Overlords and the Rakshasa are pushing the Umbragen to get it for them by convincing the Umbragen that it could be a tool they could use in their endless war against the Daelkyr.

[@diogenesstudent5585]

You are the best Dnd lore master on youtube.

[@Jorphdan]

Thanks!

[@ryanflake3481]

Great video. While I understand why newcomers to Eberron would use the Underdark as a conceptual shorthand, but it really sells Khyber short. I have always thought that the key to understanding Khyber is that it is countless fractured nightmares of an imprisoned God-Dragon, all built from her desire that she escapes her imprisonment and achieve dominion over creation itself. I think this video does a great job bridging that gap for those that don't have experience with Eberron.

[@NerdicusGoblinski]

I have a cosmology for my dnd worlds that includes eberron as a hub, it was meant to be kept separate, but by that nature became the cosmic hub of the multiverse through dreams and time(my multiverse dabbled in the travel. Checked directly to eberron(sshhhhh, Cyre specifically)).

[@virtualcircle285]

Look at the bones!

[@Jorphdan]

That's no ordinary rabbit!!!

[@virtualcircle285]

@@Jorphdan i tried to warn you but nooooo

[@JamesAdams-nd1td]

I love the fact that dwarves in Khyber turned into Neogi.

[@egghound_flopper]

please talk about q'barra next. my players are doing a 5 year timeskip and are laying low in q'barra until the next arc of the campaign starts in a few months -- i'd love to know more about this place to be prepared for when we start up again.

[@williamfrederick9670]

Maybe Ebberon is some kind of future of the planes with the 3 dragons collapsing the previous multiverse into ebberon

[@damianstruiken5886]

Do these pits into kyber look like stone pits that flow into these demi-planes seamlessly or do they look like magic portals.

[@kc2086]

Up to you, Eberron tends to nails such things down less than other settings because of KB's design philosophy. cool idea though. My understanding is that there ARE more conventional upper strata and entrances to Khyber that are just like the Underdark (making adaptations easy), but they butt up against the crazy demiplanes and nothing is guaranteed. If you're interested, get Exploring Eberron and read about the 3 subtypes of demiplanes in Khyber.

[@sheifoxy]

I'm hoping you'll do a video on each of the five nations starting with Aundair because that's where I'm setting my campaign start in a month! Please and thank you!

[@johnrushman1586]

Dude. I know that the book lore of the Khyber is a bunch of dimensions piled under Eberron and is already established. But, what if, lnstead Khyber was a city like Menzoberranzan. But MOBILE! Yes!! Just like the Spelljammer Manta-ray city in wildspace. Has anyone seen Mortal Engines? Why go to some boring old realms of different dimensions. When you could be tracking down a massive underground burrowing city!!! 😮 i mean really. The planes are everywhere. You can go to another dimension anytime you want. How many chances to you get to chase the freaking Tecnhodrone to hell and back? 😂

[@chronickitsch]

I’ve always thought that Eberron has a sort of Underdark comprise the layer of the world just above the true internal Abyss/Hell of Khyber.

[@Michael-fd1gx]

Khyber is the Eberron version of the Underdark / Lower Planes.

[@plixeon]

I personally added an underdark layer between Khyber and the surface, but even then, this layer is fraught with peril in its proximity to Khyber.

[@rodolfor2957]

Hey what microfone are you using?

[@Jorphdan]

Zoom H5, I love it. amzn.to/3bKZKDM

[@daffyduck76]

Do the keys on your keyboard make a clicking sound?

[@Jorphdan]

Yes, I believe so

[@daffyduck76]

@@Jorphdan Good man! :)

[@lizzie063]

You haven't covered Stormreach, it plays a big role in DDO which takes place in Eberron.

[@AndICanTalk2]

So good

[@CatholicDragoon]

The Underdark was intended to be the ultimate megadungeon, but for me it's just a template to make my own. For instance I made one that is essentially a vast primordial pit that contains all of the real life monsters of our ancient past in addition to our typical fantasy critters. And the types of magic that exist inside have tendency to warp those who venture inside, making for some fun body horror elements.

[@Mike_W78]

So how far down does one have to go to hit the kyber.

[@Jorphdan]

All the way?

[@MaximusArgyros]

This is left pretty open. “Khyber” is just a blanket term for all the demiplanes; portals could be found in all sorts of caverns based on how you’d like to use Khyber in your world.

[@RovingJack]

sounds almost like Khyber could be an sort of domains of dread.

[@vortraz2054]

"Fear of the unknown" No Iron Maiden quote? Missed opportunity. Coulda said the word dark an extra 12 times and had an excuse ;3

[@vortraz2054]

Side note I like to run the children of Khyber as basically primordials. Beings that rival even the gods but can physically reside on the prime material.

[@JaxWylds]

Cheat dice!? I never knew 😲

[@helarki4309]

It may contain the negaverse, but does it contain . . . THE NEGACHIN?

[@PatriceBoivin]

In AD&D the Underdark is under Greyhawk (D1, D2, D3, Q1) not under Forgotten Realms. When did it get shifted to the other campaign world? It's weird. You keep saying Faerun but it's actually Oerth.

[@Avoloch]

i wish you do Dolmenwood lore

[@Jorphdan]

Maybe on the second channel. I also need that low book to be finished

[@shea1762]

Under dark basically is caves in Europe and kyber is caves in Aztec

[@hippo1701]

How was Puffs?

[@Jorphdan]

it was great!! super fun :)

[@berserkape1014]

You didn't mention that the Coautl didn't do it alone. They were aided by the enslaved Dragons who discovered the means of discerning The Draconic Prophecy and use it against their Overlords. In Eberron fiends are opposed by the Children of Syberis (mostly True Dragons) instead of Angels and etc.

[@p-leif630]

kyber is close to what hte underdark was supost to be a mythical underworld were the upper world is put into a dark mirror this is why the drow are black skined they are the foto negative fo the surfaces elfs (inspired by then Unseelie fey) same with the duergar the dark dwarfs this why the under dark also hasc all the abberations hit hid all the things few fear and don't want to see or can not hope to understand

[@vortraz2054]

Now that im thinking about it, Ima try and call for another Dawn War Video. Try and seperate out what was the older canon vs 4E canon, your current dawn war vid mentions Tharizdun went to the elemental chaos for instance, I think you can make a better crack at it now that we know 4Es spellplague was a giant pain in the dickhole and scrambled the settings history.

[@Jorphdan]

A solid idea, divide up the lore with editions and follow it on that path. Probably an large task but I like it!

[@vortraz2054]

@@Jorphdan Really the only hard thing about it is, wherever you get information from has to have cited their sources. Just for that reason alone only the official books wiould be reliable sources for alot of details and subjects. Might have to gather the lore masters at Sigil

[@lollolo74yo99]

Did you shave?🤔

[@Jorphdan]

Yep!