Joseph: King of Dreams - Is It A Good Prequel?

[@DallSmick]

So, since I still get comments on this almost 4 year old video, I'll leave it here. Yes, in this video I call the movie a sequel. And that was a massive mistake in wording. Since this came after the Prince of Egypt (film release wise, not biblical story wise), that's just the mindset I entered with. And I used a term called "prequel sequel" which I heard from somewhere and just rolled with it. This is a video I don't look upon all that fondly for a few reasons, but i'm leaving it up because I think the discussion is fun. I like the people who come around and share their thoughts.

[@biblicus8204]

God bless

[@claudiabrown1931]

For everyone confused if this is a sequel, in the Bible it’s actually before Moses’s story which would make this movie a prequel. That’s why I always felt the non violent slavery was present, the Bible weighs that the treatment of slaves was really based on who was in power which would make sense after Joseph came into power slaves would be treated better. Then after years the people of Egypt after Joseph just saw slaves as hazards that were there to serve not people. In the context of the order the movies came out it would be a sequel.

[@yarpen26]

Yeah, it's a straight-up prequel, not "prequel-sequel". No piece of action happens after The Prince of Egypt but this movie came later. Therefore: a prequel. Case closed.

[@Hannah_The_Elon_Jew]

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[@richardlew3667]

I think a different people also overthrew the Egyptian dynasty from Joseph's time, who happened to have already been enemies with the Israelites. It would probably help explain why the Israelites were suddenly enslaved up until the exodus.

[@seinakimura4201]

I know this is based on your opinion, but the story of Joseph is way before Moses... sure it's not as dark and the animation at times is not the best, but personally, I like that it has a different tone than The Prince of Egypt. I think both films are good and unique in their own ways.

[@newtoatheism5968]

Agree and I actually like the songs

[@Hannah_The_Elon_Jew]

She stank.

[@Hannah_The_Elon_Jew]

Nest

[@RicShaymin3398]

Yeah I know it's an opinion piece but the bias just ruins the whole review. Also slavery was legitimately worse during the time of Moses so of course it wouldn't be a point of focus. I'm not going to keep nitpicking but just overall bad review.

[@whiplash9255]

Tbh I love this movie...that's probably the nostalgia talking but still...

[@SandyGarnelle]

I watched it for the first time literally yesterday. And i dunno It's like... fine? There's nothing to like nor to dislike. Its okay. Aside from Jacob for picking the favourites. Not okay.

[@NickiReedx3]

PLEASE tell me what songs from Prince of Egypt you considered “weak”?! The entire soundtrack is a masterpiece. The best animated musical ever. Straight up Untouchable.

[@DallSmick]

I maybe should have rephrased to the songs I'm not as crazy about. Every song has an importance to the narrative, but I'm not the biggest fan of the priest's song, or All I Ever Wanted (both the original version and queen's reprisal). That's just me though. Every other song is phenomenal.

[@ptlemon1101]

@@DallSmick Al I Ever Wanted Is Kinda Weak but Playing With The Big Boys is still a banger. I recommend listening to Jonathan Young's cover of it, you might change your opinion

[@theqrogy]

@@ptlemon1101 all i ever wanted is my favorite song tho

[@ptlemon1101]

@@theqrogy still a banger

[@MelonTartVA]

I still find it ironic that Jacob repeated the mistakes of his past. I know this isn't the place to go into it, but I still think that's kinda funny.

[@sharpaycutie2]

Yes unfortunately how our parents raise us are hard to let go off im adult hood🤦‍♀️

[@northyegarden]

Yeah people tend to like to repeat their mistakes of the past

[@dylantennant6594]

I am not very familar with Jacob’s story, the only thing I remeber is a lot of kids and wrestling with the archangel Raphael. How did he repeat his past?

[@MelonTartVA]

@@dylantennant6594 his father had a favorite son. The favorite was the oldest and incredibly muscular. But Jacob's mother convinced him to kill his brother and pretend to be him to claim the inheritance (this would work because the father was blind). So Jacob as an adult ended up playing favorites and this lead to his older sons originally wanting to kill Joseph but instead selling him.

[@CenturionMariusVinicius]

@@MelonTartVA Jacob's mother did not tell him to kill his brother, she told him to wear sleeves made of wool so that his father would believe he was Esau (Since Esau was hairy) and then he ran away after receiving the blessing. Esau was the one who wanted to kill Jacob for that but then he eventually forgave him. Also worth mentioning that Esau "sold" his blessing to Jacob in exchange for porridge some time earlier, so Jacob while kinda deceitful didn't actually steal Esau's inheritance.

[@GuardianKyle]

I still love that Kilmer plays Moses, Affleck as Joseph. Geez, Batman even has influences in Egypt..😶

[@dylantennant6594]

Different version, but Christian Bale was Moses as well.

[@musiclover_kb4913]

Yep, in Prince of Egypt Batman married Catwoman (Tzipporah was voiced by Michelle Pfeiffer) and saved his people (including his sister Ms Congeniality and his brother Dr. Ian Malcolm) from Voldmort's wrath. In Joseph: King of Dreams, the Joker sold Batman into slavery

[@n23391]

Val Kilmer played God too in the Prince of Egypt. God is awesome!!!

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Two Bats

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

@@musiclover_kb4913 luke

[@kingofthebeast4024]

A. This movie was my childhood. I’ve memorized all the songs B. I thought Miracle Child was actually a pretty good song C. In the Bible, Joseph declined Zuleika’s advances, not bcuz he was a pussy, but because it was a sin to f**k your master’s wife if you were a dude D. Joseph was intentionally given red hair to look like his uncle, Esau. I just thought it made him look like the Hebrew Hercules. E. A BIG inaccuracy in the movie is that in the fact that in the Bible, Reuben, or in some versions, Judah, didn’t want to sell Joseph. F. Most depictions of this story show Benjamin being born while Joseph was with his family in Canaan G. Jacob walks with a cane sometimes not bcuz he’s old, but rather in the Bible he wrestled an angel who dislocated his hip H. The slavery aspect wasn’t shown as that bad to show that God was looking out for Joseph. In the Bible it says that god blessed Potiphar’s house, and Joseph, sparing him from the intensive labor.

[@lemon3897]

It wasn’t an Angel. It was God

[@dastemplar9681]

Even if it’s not as visually or musically epic as Prince of Egypt. It still is a masterpiece in story and moral teaching. Even if you’re not religious it still is a powerful story of a man who endured so much hardship yet holds onto his faith and trust with God.

[@DallSmick]

I don't know if I'd say its a masterpiece, but I do think there was genuine heart put into the storytelling and I honestly will applaud it for that. I really like the ending confrontation with the brothers and the family drama, it was executed well and the acting was pretty well done.

[@Hannah_The_Elon_Jew]

Pedestrian

[@Jason_Nation69]

It had a good ending but then a few generations after Joseph and his descendants' and his brothers' descendants' all became slaves to the leader(s) of the very country he saved, RIP the Jews. But it's all fine because Moses comes around and wrecks Egypt's shit.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

As someone who grew up going to church, Prince of Egypt and King of Dreams were amongst my favorite movies growing up. Prince of Egypt obviously has much better animation and music, kinda giving Hunchback of Notre Dame vibes, but I also found Rameses to be a much more interesting character than most of the cast in Joseph, mainly because he wasn’t truly an evil person, he was raised by an abusive father who set unrealistic expectations for him as the future pharaoh of Egypt which is what unfortunately slowly broke his relationship with his brother and best friend. I think one of the main problems in Joseph is the fact most of the side characters like his brothers, parents, Potifar, the butler, and even Joseph’s wife and children don’t appear that much in the movie. His wife specifically is only in a couple of scenes to establish her as a love interest, she doesn’t actually really help Joseph overcome his revenge and bitterness against his brothers. And in the end of the movie, Rachel doesn’t appear either because in the Bible Rachel passed away after giving birth to Benjamin. I do really enjoy the moral of Joseph forgiving his brothers and understanding their pain they put their father through, that their jealousy of Joseph never left, it only made their lives worse and further hurt their family. I just think the narrative and storytelling with Prince of Egypt is much more complex because we have to watch Moses slowly grow apart from his brother and best friend, and unfortunately his actions lead to his former home being slowly destroyed. The part Moses weeps of Rameses’s son being slain as a result of the final plaque is heartbreaking. The Prince of Egypt is more personal and told through Moses’s eyes, while Joseph’s is more told through simply following his journey from Canaan to Egypt and going from slave to second in command of the most powerful kingdom in the world at the time. Also, I never saw Joseph as a spoiled brat. Jacob treated him as the golden child and treated him like a prince, even making him learn different languages and other things only children of nobility would be allowed, while his brothers were destined to be lowly shepherds and farmers for the rest of their lives. Oh course this was going to create a rift and make Joseph frustrated he didn’t get to have fun with his brothers, instead they treated him like an outsider because of how jealous they were. I’d say Joseph was pretty darn humble for the all the crap he endured, including being thrown in a prison for the rest of his life. He gets mad at God to why his life has become so difficult, but its to show how the Lord has not abandoned him even in his darkest moments, and someday things will get better. And its nice to see Joseph not seek revenge against his brothers when he could’ve easily turned them into slaves or make them his personal slaves, forcing them to work the fields during the bad years or letting the Egyptians relax while they did all the work. Instead, Joseph embraces them as his family upon seeing they’re truly repentant of their sins and how much their jealousy tormented them even after they got rid of their bratty brother. Also, I’d say the songs were pretty darn good for a sequel. Obviously the soundtrack from the original movie was on an entirely different level, but I still think Give a Little More, Miracle Child and You Know Better Than I were still pretty good. Rachel’s song is also sweet, but a little short, as is her performance.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

I feel like he was overthinking it when it came to slavery in this movie. First of all Joseph was a slave but he was the most trusted slave so I like to imagine that he got the kind of privilege to shield him away from the harshness of slavery and during the More You Take song segment I always believed that even if there were slaves there including other people they all had to come together to help out to get fully well prepared for the famine that befell Egypt or else everyone will be doomed. So of course it's a happy moment because everyone has come together to help each other out including the slaves.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

g7dmother •}:{• that’s not what I meant for I’m sure that Joseph very well knew the troubles of slavery but he was also the most trusted slave so he got the privileges no other slave did thus he also was shielded from it as well. I read it all in the Bible.

[@outofideas1944]

@pearly emerald •}:{• I feel like people who feel like they need to portray his slavery as awful needs to read the book. This is literally what happened.

[@insertnamehere2746]

@pearly emerald •}:{• sure but then again, the movie wasnt ABOUT how awful slavery was. Prince of Egypt was about that. King of Dreams is more about Joseph being betrayed by his family, and w.e else he goes through to learn to HEAL from that betrayal

[@michaelbrent1536]

I wish DreamWorks will tell more biblical stories like with Jesus, God, Satan or society in general because they do a phenomenal job!

[@shadestrider1033]

Ehh… Let’s keep the religious neutrality aspect of these films and tell tales exclusively from the Old Testament. No favoritism towards Christians.

[@dylantennant6594]

I kind of wished they allied this style of story telling to a few more biblical stories, but maybe also other cultures. Like imagine a Prince of Egypt style movie, but maybe it’s an adaption of Buddha’s life, The Rise of Rome, King Arthur, or maybe the Osiris myth if they wanted to stay in Egypt. How cool would that have been, combining this mixture of epic stories, with animation and music.

[@teatarou]

@@dylantennant6594 the Osiris myth is pretty much just the lion king with humanoid figures

[@blummie1215]

I KEEP HEARING THE PRONUNCIATIONS OF THE NAMES AND THEY’RE DIFFERENT FROM THE TORAH AND I AM DEVELOPING AN ULCUR

[@DallSmick]

Bwahaha!

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

Oh my god, DallSmick has somehow grown skin!

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

He got reincarnated!

[@christinalittleton2242]

You know, I would to see Dreamworks make an animated Christian movie about Job and how he lost EVERYTHING (his food source, his house, his family, his health, and nearly his life) all because God and Lucifer made a bet on whether Job was thankful to God because of all the nice things he has. Job's arc words are "The lord giveth and the lord taketh away." He dies as he says those words. God not only gave him his health and life back, but all of the things he lost and more. And God said to Lucifer "HA! Told ya! I told ya that Job still believes me! Pay me my $50!" Lucifer did, but he also convinced 1/3 of the population of Heaven to be on his side by spreading rumors that God has a gambling addiction by using his own creation. God evicted Lucifer out of the Pearly Gates Resort and now lives in a place that's like Florida, but with a dry heat, a smell of rotten eggs, and a Winter Wonderland on the first level of it that we know as Hell.

[@PixelGod240]

Wait this is the show lucifer on tv! Except he complains more about daddy being mean to him, and how he was only trying to help. LoL

[@ptlemon1101]

That's pretty much the Killing Joke. Joker hurts Gordon to show Batman than it only takes on bad day to be like him but Gordon proves him wrong.

[@levirenner8063]

I actually think the beginning of the movie feels dreamlike because of the really basic music and the slightly odd facial expressions. I like that because it makes the scenes feel like an older, more mature Joseph's memory's.

[@DallSmick]

Probably a weird transformation to a human character mostly due to me not announcing the change but now I'll explain it here. I've decided to re-brand for my reviews with an avatar that looks a bit closer to how i actually look and dress. Just a decision of mine and i hope you all like it! Plus i dont have people labeling me an Undertale oc any more so 2 birds with one stone.

[@jswatch9270]

Are u kidding this movie is a prequel

[@jswatch9270]

@@DallSmick ok, can u talk about midsommar? And for me I could imagine if W.B, DC comics, and A24 do a movie adaptation of the comic of batman arkham asylum: a serious house on serious earth what do u think of that? www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-Serious-Anniversary/dp/1401204252 and imagine if Ari Aster direct it what do u think?

[@Pro-Gamer330]

@@DallSmick i dont like your new avatar.

[@sarkozygaming3629]

Your new avatar is so cute

[@kramooo9666]

yeah after I watched the movie I was asking my self thats the meaning what's the lesson here?

[@MacyPooh196]

Joseph: King is Dreams is a pretty good sequel in my opinion. It’s not a terrible sequel as it could have been, I think the songs are good, the animation is great, and it gets the point across. I think the beginning kinda hammers the “Joseph is better than all the brothers” thing a little hard but other than that I find it a pretty good watch. It could have been way worse. I think the song “More than You Take” is the best song in the movie.

[@insertnamehere2746]

That first song does hammer that theme hard butnthay was by intention so the viewer understands why the brothers are pissed

[@insertnamehere2746]

Also it's a prequel

[@jaretco6423]

It's prequel dude. But yeah. It is pretty good.

[@bradley8575]

It is a Great Prequel movie to Prince of Egypt in fact I find it as Good as a prince of Egypt these two movies were My Childhood Although for me I don’t consider Joseph king of dreams are prequel or a sequel I consider it it’s own things

[@williamrobbs]

Prince Of Egypt was an amazing movie. Joseph was the story before Prince Of Egypt. I would love for them to make a sequel about the wall of Jericho which happens right after the Hebrews can't make it to the promise land

[@cocpornpopcorn1210]

the intro line "Joseph king of dreams is my favorite batman movie" killed me lol

[@allisonlong2431]

About the slavery part: In this point in time Israel has not been taken into slavery yet. so all their so-called slaves are normal low class Egyptian’s. so when Joseph request that his family comes and stays with him in Egypt, over the span of for about 400 years that is when Israel/ his family is in slaved and then the movie Moses prince of Egypt comes in and he delivers them from Egypt to their new Promiseland that God provides.

[@charlesdeleo4608]

9:00 actually, those scenes where people are doing menial labor is not slavery. Archaeologists now found that the pyramids and monumental structures in Egypt were actually built by free people working together, and not by slaves as Hollywood suggested. I mean, for goodness sake, they even went on strike in Ancient Egypt. For instance, one group of workers had a sit in because they ran out of makeup. And we know that one worker in the Valley of the Kings took some paid time off to brew his own beer.

[@brandoncruise6398]

The earlier part of Egyptian history didn’t have slavery in the way that it would be known for later. So you’re right, many if not most of the pyramids were built by the people under a strong form of national unity. However, by the time Moses came along entire cities had been built and/or rebuilt via the backs of slaves.

[@elsakristina2689]

Oh, I used to watch this all the time as a kid!

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Yo tambien

[@skywalkerhunterarchive]

for a 2000 direct-to-dvd movie, its a great work

[@ToroFox]

I wouldn't count it as a Sequel or a Prequal. If anything, it's more of its own thing.

[@jswatch9270]

I would call it a prequel

[@seinakimura4201]

It's a prequel, before Moses was even born

[@oliverpony]

The kind of movie they play at Sunday schools after all the kids are finished their religious studies

[@amanmusic2026]

Hey DallSmick, it's great to see you again . . . WITH SKIN?! 😲

[@sacta]

I didn't even know this was a thing. I only knew The Prince of Egypt. I'll definitely look for this one, even though I'm not even done with the video. Thanks, Dall!

[@unitfyFaith]

It doesn't matter if the movie is good the most important that we are learning about what happen and God plan for us...

[@DallSmick]

Im not religious so I only care about how good the movie is

[@isabellarae9904]

The Prince of Egypt will always be one of my favourite childhood films😭👏🏼

[@projectjt3149]

Initially, I wasn’t sure about your hesitance about the film, but then you emphasized “All 14 Minutes Of It” for the final Act. Literally the memorable part of the film plus the prison scene. That spooked me. ONLY FOURTEEN??? Felt a lot longer than that

[@DallSmick]

Well, I remember feeling strongly at the time. Now my opinion has lessened a bit, and this video was a good experiment in how not to make a youtube review lol I think this film has issues but its still better than a lot of straight to video animation at the time

[@andreasmeelie1889]

Joseph: King of Dreams I love so much more than Prince of Egypt it's because I love how it's so much more lighthearted. I always loved Prince of Egypt but it was much too dark for me and Joseph: King of Dreams was a lot more tame. Lol, in fact, Joseph: King of Dreams is my second favorite DreamWorks movie while Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron is my first. Prince of Egypt is my fifth favorite. I'm SO GLAD that he loved You Know Better Than I though! I LOVE THAT SONG! IT IS MY SONG! So glad that it was praised! EEP! :)

[@bry8883]

And it has the identical ending to Spirit...

[@oblivexx]

12:25 - I chocked on my saliva, I laughed so hard on that joke.

[@mrradiance194]

New avatar? I'm liking, glad to see this review to see this video finally come out.

[@DallSmick]

Yeah, I thought I'd rebrand since Im done with commentaries. Good to see you back, my dude!

[@mrradiance194]

@@DallSmick well not entirely, this is more of a soft return but thank you i miss a lot( and y'all) since this then.

[@Racc00nR1ck]

Both of the leads in these two animated films were voiced by Batmen. Also I will point out, Christian Bale played Moses in a movie.

[@55685]

isn't christian bale the same guy that played thomas in pocahontas?

[@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125]

I think I seen this movie back in first grade. Either that, or it must've been a movie with a similar style of animation. Probably the first one.

[@bennetthuman]

HE'S CROSSING HIS ARMS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@strxkereye]

8:45 THATS WHAT I THOUGHT. This is such facts 😂

[@haydenwalter3799]

Some finds from the camps built during the pyramid suggest that the slaves were skilled tradesman and were treated well so maybe the happy slaves could be a thing

[@worldofmeli_]

YOU HAVE FLESH NOW WHAT

[@AdamSelvig]

The prince of Egypt came first then Joseph king of dreams came after

[@DallSmick]

Movie-wise, yes that's what I was referring to. Narratively no, Joseph's story happened right before the events of Exodus.

[@arandomdude9982]

The age of the film doesn't matter but the story is although the film prince of Egypt is 1-2 years older the story between them is Joseph which takes place probably 100 years before Moses was born

[@uytjtjgh]

the marketplace is a very underrated song btw

[@DallSmick]

That one was my favorite as a kid and I still like it. I'm a sucker for songs with that vibe.

[@PBSodaCurtis]

I think this is before the Hebrews were enslaved in that way. Joseph’s brothers coming to Egypt was when the Hebrews settled there and were eventually made slaves

[@n23391]

i love it !!! love it!!! love it!!!

[@bry8883]

8:12 *Am I the only one who realizes that it's identical to Spirit's ending?*

[@bionic_z3031]

i didn't even know that there was a sequel to king of Egypt

[@newtoatheism5968]

It’s a prequel!!!!!!!

[@julijakeit]

My favourite song was the Marketplace: if you listen to the lyrics, not much has changed today.

[@themayo3151]

Prince of Egypt is FUCKING AMAZING

[@Lazy_eye_blobFish]

YAY A NEW VIDEO! took you long enough bonehead.🙃 DANG IT IT'S NOT BONE HEAD! Wait it is, but why the heck do you have skin?

[@Darkcyndermaya]

Sorcery.

[@dynastywarriorlord07]

It's interesting because both Ben Affleck and Val Kilmer played Batman in a movie before

[@seanchukwuezi3079]

One thing that annoyed me about the film was when Joseph says can you forgive me for thinking I was some miracle which I mean even if he was being entitled it's still dosent excuse how cruel his brothers for selling into slavery.

[@JTF2402]

Prince of Egypt is an amazing movie and has amazing songs and animations. not disagreeing in that! those are fact hahaha. Tho I liked Joseph more. :) 1. I like the story better. personal opinion. I think the betrayal, the hurt behind it and the reunion and forgivesness for it was really strong shown. (prince of egypt as freedom more as a theme) How it hurted Joseph. One of the most hurtful things is to be brutally betrayed and sold by family. you his loneliness when he is on his way to egypt. He literally doesnt see them again for 20 years. At that moment he maybe thought it would be forever... 2. I really like how joseph is finding his way in live and learns different things. He learns to forgive. People say that he is to lighthearted to easy to forgive (looked fake), yes I think that it forgiving someone who hurt u, is the most difficult thing to do. But joseph learned a lot in prison and I the look of understanding he gives potifar. Even potifar is shocked that Joseph forgives him so easily. haha But forgives nis Joseph's point (a gift. And joseph does forgive potifar, because he understands why potifar did it. He forgave his brothers (althoug that took awhile! he send them back en imprisend SImeon and then fakes a robbery and blames benjamin lol), but he forgave them. because he saw his brothers where sorry and that they did change behaviour (they protected benjamin). Joseph understand it and he is moved by it. And he was angry, but he also loves his family and I think all he wanted to do is be with them again, but his anger was in the way. (It is such a beautiful scene and I could talk about about it for hours) I think It is so much more complex then people are portraying it!! 3. I also like how Joseph kind of was losing his way (in prison), but he keeps his faith and keeps growing as a person. 4. The beautifull dream scenes with Van Gogh Art!! 5. Joseph grows alot as a person. (A lot of characters in this movie actually). okay that aslo happend in moses but well nevermind haha 6. As for the slavery difference: It is before moses. Slaves were different viewed in that time and different treated. I do think it was a tiny bit weaked in joseph, but the most of it was that slaves were ''normal'' unpaid servants. And in Joseph we mostly just see house slaves. !!! P.S. .someone else in the comment said: sure but then again, the movie wasnt ABOUT how awful slavery was. Prince of Egypt was about that. King of Dreams is more about Joseph being betrayed by his family, and w.e else he goes through to learn to HEAL from that betrayal and how to forgive. (see point 6) I definitely agree with this! but is is more personal opinion. And bias, i guess. because i grew up with joseph and not with prince of egypt. haha Both movies are amazing! both in a unique and different way!!!

[@isaiahadams1996]

While I agree that the songwriting on this movie’s soundtrack is not on par with The Prince of Egypt, there are a couple that really standout to me. “Miracle Child” and “Marketplace” (the songs that plays when Joseph arrives in Egypt), but every other song was decent.

[@DallSmick]

I forgot to mention the Marketplace song in this video for some reason, but that one is a total bop. I'd say its probably my favorite or second favorite song in the movie.

[@newtoatheism5968]

Honestly I felt like it would’ve made a more interesting storyline if it was more focused on the brothers and their arch and maybe Rachel finds out what happened to Joseph and keeping the secret from Jacob could be what she eventually dies from and more of the family dinamic would’ve been appreciated

[@luanaferrari7636]

I know i'm commenting on a year old video but i just have to get this off my chest lol. I used to love both Prince of Egypt and Joseph: King of Dreams as a kid, so I rewatched them both. Prince of Egypt holds up so so well, imo all the songs are fucking amazing and the storyline was surprisingly complex and nuanced, which surprised me because as far as I knew it was just a kids movie that I didn't remember that well. Hell, I even thought (and this might be me being delusional) that God was portrayed in a morally ambiguous way. It's literally shown to the audience how he murders innocent Egyptian people, and how Moses is dying for his brother to put aside his pride so that the plagues can stop, because it pains him to see the people suffer. But you're also shown how that ultimately leads to good results, so to me, God was participating in war in a very human way. I think Prince of Egypt is ultimately a story about people, and it has incredibly well written characters. You can see how Ramses' world view came to be the way it is, why slavery is just a part of life for him. And the depiction of slavery is BRUTAL. All of these good things, are basically what sucks in Joseph. All the important emotional moments fell super fucking flat, the character arcs are boring, and the way slavery is portrayed?? hello??? I was speechless when Joseph forgave his former master just like that. It felt so fucking dumb and over-simplified. Same for when he forgave his brothers, it just didn't have any of the power moments like that had in Prince of Egypt. Everything feels like a watered-down version of what real life motivations, relationships, and emotions are, and I think that's why the way the characters behave seems so out of nowhere. Also why would you set up Jacob and Rachel being horrible parents and never touch on that ever again?? ever?? not even a little bit of remorse from Jacob for literally driving his children apart with his stupidity. And the animation is whack, plus the character designs are super fucking weird. (sorry if anything sounds weird i'm not a native speaker)

[@luanaferrari7636]

oh wow now that I read his I realize I had some pretty strong feelings about it ahaha feel free to disagree

[@andrewgrinchishin8344]

@@luanaferrari7636 That was Joseph’s character though, he learned to forgive in prison and be content with whatever his circumstances were, he learned to trust in God no matter where he was in life. If you want a character that takes revenge and lets things go in a tragedy they could have taken Samson Also he resembles Jesus because he forgives and then saves everyone. He is a very exemplary character that understands if it wasn’t for prison he wouldn’t move onto pharaohs palace, learning to trust God.

[@JTF2402]

(!)1.someone else in the comment said: sure but then again, the movie wasnt ABOUT how awful slavery was. Prince of Egypt was about that. King of Dreams is more about Joseph being betrayed by his family, and w.e else he goes through to learn to HEAL from that betrayal and how to forgive. 2.And i dont think that the betrayal and the hurt it gave joseph (and how he treated his brothers) were watered down at all. Maybe other things, but that not. 3.Animation is not perfect because of lack of budget. they did had that budget for PoE. 4/ The forgivesness is one of Joseph strong suits. I know the forgivesness of potifar seemed easy of weak,. and es I think that it forgiving someone who hurt u, is the most difficult thing to do. But joseph learned a lot in prison and the look of understanding he gives potifar!!! Even potifar is shocked that Joseph forgives him so easily. haha And joseph does forgive potifar, because he understands why potifar did it. (and i know that sounds weak in writing) He forgave his brothers (although that took a while! he send them back en imprisend Simeon and then fakes a robbery and blames benjamin lol), but he forgave them. because he saw his brothers where sorry and that they did change behaviour (they protected benjamin). Joseph understand it and he is moved by it. And he was angry, but he also loves his family and I think all he wanted to do is be with them again, but his anger was in the way. (It is such a beautiful scene and I could talk about about it for hours) I think It is so much more complex then people are portraying it!! The forgiveness looked like it was easy or anything but instead of it being oversimplified, it is really complex, if that makes sense haha. 5. as for rachel and jacob being horrible parents. idk. Yes they were. But i think They didnt realize themselves it enough that it was super wrong. Different mindset i guess back then. I loved both movies, but moses(movies about slavery and freedom) and Joseph (movie about finding yourself and betrayal) are very different and personally i prefer Joseph because of the story. just my view on a couple things. Love, Jiska

[@MollyMargolisBillCipherIsBae]

I’m more familiar with the musical Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. I was in the choir as a young child, and didn’t even know there was a movie. I wonder why (if the musical came out first), they didn’t at least try to get the licensed music to it? It’s a lesser known story and they didn’t have much of a budget, I know, but if it were possible, I feel the film would definitely have benefitted. I mean, the opening number alone is worth the licensing rights. It’s an EARWORM if I’ve ever heard one.

[@DallSmick]

There are definitely some decent songs in this movie. You Know Better is probably the easiest on the ears.

[@tristancollins-pellington9382]

Dall, you got your skin back!

[@louisehelgesson5471]

What? The music is great!

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

I’m offended you didn’t mention the fucking badass song when Joseph enters Egypt

[@DallSmick]

Shit I did forget!!! That song was pretty dope

[@jeniferjoseph9200]

Thanks to you I just rewatched the movie. Imo you’re a bit harsh. I think it holds up pretty well ftmp

[@DallSmick]

@@jeniferjoseph9200 Hey im glad you enjoy it!

[@javvai3721]

Great work dall Can’t wait to see any other movies you review 👌

[@RoyalKingOliver]

I get that Joseph is one of the youngest children… but he’s still an adult Why the hell did Ben Affleck, FREAKING BEN AFFLECK, give him a gay voice XD

[@vaggelistzanos9812]

is it a sequel or a prequel?

[@xSoporific1]

Still like it but yeah prince of Egypt is better

[@clown_world030meza8]

Sad thing is that they were gonna make more bible movies but since this movies didn’t make money it was left hopefully someone will pick it back up and make more :0

[@jonmartindeiii962]

i actually used to prefer Joseph king of Dreams rather than Prince of Egypt, mainly cause as a kid prince of egypt is more of a violent or dark movie compared to Joseph king of dreams. I actually like all of the music in JKD, its calm and just nice. Prince of Egypt to me is more of a mature film, like not for kids. But both is really a good film and a masterpiece itself in it's own ways, comparing just doesnt makes sense, cause their vibe is so different

[@DallSmick]

I respect that. I think I was a little harsh to this movie looking back, and I can respect the amount of effort and heart that was put going into it. Though I do understand what you mean. I first watched Prince of Egypt when I was about 13 and coming off of some hard times, so I think I was at a point where I was able to handle some of the darker themes a little better than a child seeing it for the first time, so you're right there. Joseph King of Dreams does have some darker elements (even implied lust from that queen lady) but its not nearly as concentrated or heavily present, which I respect.

[@thecatladytm7172]

I just watched Prince of Egypt and King of Dreams back to back, and yeah, there are very jarring tonal differences with the slavery aspect, but both movies were *HEAVY.* They carried weight into their subject matter, and, referring to Joseph specifically, you can feel, hear and *see* the anguish when he is sold and anger when his brothers arrive. Definitely not as much as Moses did, but still a good enough amount to give a few heavy sighs just to relieve the pressure in your chest after observing what just happened. And yeah, I guess I really only remembered King of Dreams because of "You know better than I" (it was my favorite song for a while), but its a pretty good movie in its own right, by no means an equal to Prince of Egypt, but still able to make you feel things. If I can feel what a character feels, I tend to grow more invested and am happier with the movie in general. You did a great job on this video, and if you read all of my ramblings, feel free to express your own opinion. 😊❤

[@insertnamehere2746]

Honestly i think where PoE is better is the music and grandeur art, but other than that JKoD is better since its story is more grounded and applicable eith its themes. Like it deals with family, betrayal forgiveness, acceptance, and several other themes that don't get overshadowed by god doing a bunch if plagues and miracles. Contrast that with PoE where yes you do have a heavy and dark theme with slavery and an uplifting theme with moses learning to believe in his own intrinsic worth, but so much of this is thrown out when the sky daddy decides he's just gonna fuck shit up, because NOW he wants to free them from slavery even though that could have been done a while ago. And don't get me wrong, Moses and Ramses are still good characters going into the end of the film, but them being good characters dont really matter when the plot is in sky daddy's hands. The visuals CARRY the end of the movie by creating illustrating tension. But start to finish there was a consistent stream of tension in JKoD because god had hardly anything to do with progression of the plot. Outside of giving Joseph dreams at key points in the story, anything else that moved the plot had to do with what PEOPLE were doing, therefore creating a morr relatable narrative

[@kingkong905]

I don't think it's fair to compare this to Prince of Egypt. The prince of Egypt is a biblical epic. Everything was appropriate for that type of film. Joseph is a completely different story. If they made say the animation on the same level as prince of Egypt, it wouldn't work.

[@torikellyfan9882]

This was a good review. I agree that Joseph King of Dreams wasn't as good as the Prince of Egypt, but for kids, this movie is not confusing and the songs are decent.

[@sharpaycutie2]

Lack of animation budget dodnt hurt this film for me. And the songs and story and character depth and emotion still reach the audience. Both Promve of Egypt and king of dreams are a 2 for 2 ✌

[@matissecallens9808]

i honestly don't care what people say about this movie, i love it just as much as i do prince of egypt! it's different but that's what i like about it! it wil always have a place in my heart!

[@oblivexx]

We need a 3rd film, to sort of make like a biblical starwars film series of 3 rather than 9. Movie order: 2, 1, 3

[@strxkereye]

Ok but you hate on the music even though You Know Better Than I is fire as hell

[@DallSmick]

I said that's the best song in the movie, from what I remember lol

[@DeathAlchemist]

I fought through so much lag to see this video. It was good and honestly Moses is probably the best of all the biblical characters to tell stories for. Also, you forgot the riveting tale of how jacob was tricked and then had to work 14 more years.

[@DallSmick]

I think it was 14 years in total xD 7 years before marrying Lea and then another 7 to marry Rachel. I could be wrong though.

[@DeathAlchemist]

@@DallSmick Your probably right.

[@Hornetog9vp]

Wait what happen to your bones

[@UnknownLifter-jx2xu]

I love this movie

[@DallSmick]

Im glad you do! There's quite a lot to like about it.

[@auroraborealis1060]

The slavery only began after the pharaoh who had the dream died. It was immediate. The new pharaoh trapped them.

[@elanan9411]

The movie would have been so much better if they went more into detail with the story. Obviously that wasn't possible since this is an animated movie targeted towards kids. The story of Tamar and Judah would have also been interesting if it was included.

[@Darkcyndermaya]

Good discussion Dallsmick. I can agree some the music of this movie are quite week. Mark Hamil voiced in this?! Wow. Nice new avatar.

[@amanmusic2026]

Best Batman movie ever!

[@One.who.thinks610]

They’re telling a story out of the book of Genesis that means slavery wasn’t that bad in genesis it was bad. The next chapter when the king told all the Hebrews to throw away the men that’s when slavery got bad

[@DallSmick]

I think I worded it poorly, I mean't that the whole slavery aspect in general was downplayed. Not really because of the themes in the story, I get that the story of Moses was worse in that aspect, but slavery in general is a pretty messed up concept in general. I think that's what I was trying to exaggerate; slavery in general was still really bad and cruel, yet it seemed less like anyone recognized that in Joseph.

[@pikachuuprising637]

Mircale child and Bloom were amazing. Whatcha talking about?

[@DallSmick]

Not a fan.

[@chanceyporter6178]

11:13 that part killed me

[@rockstarbonett886]

May not be as good as Prince of Egypt but it's still my childhood and it's still enjoyable. Though I realised after just watching it in english for the first time that I actually prefer the dub with my language well as for the general acting but with the songs I don't know why they didn't just do another take because in 2 of Joseph's songs the voice actor was so off-key it hurts.

[@newtoatheism5968]

Ooh better yet life in Egypt after Joseph moves his family there and what eventually led to them becoming slaves cause the Bible isn’t exactly clear on that if I recall there was a pharaoh who didn’t know about Joseph or something but that makes no sense to me

[@isaiahadams1996]

“For a straight to VHS film, its a lot better than the competition. It has the heart and the emotion to put it above even the worst straight-to-video Disney sequels.” (then plays a clip from The Lion King 2) Me: Whoa!!! While I can agree some of the straight-to-video Disney sequels are trash, The Lion King 2: Simba’s Pride is the biggest exception. Hell, it literally has the biggest cult following out of all the straight-to-video Disney sequels, LITERALLY HAS THE BIGGEST CULT FOLLOWING!! You should’ve played a clip from Pocahontas 2 instead, that film was actually garbage.

[@DallSmick]

Pocahontas 2 was pretty bad for sure. I'm not sure I actually dislike Lion King 2, I think it's probably just okay. Honestly I think this video was a series of misfires and I don't stand by a lot of my comments just due to how differently I view media in general now. I've lightened up a lot more

[@michaeloliel1210]

About slavery, according to the Torah it began after Jacob and his family came in Egypt at the end of the movie. Hebrew’s slavery of course.

[@MB2T1]

Still sucks that Doug "Nostalgia Critic" Walker never got around to an Old vs. New for this and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.

[@livieperfetto7280]

Why are all the main characters so Chiseled??

[@alexgonzalez6215]

I always thought they going for a church style song

[@Benjicoffee]

*Insert joke about a skeleton having skin here*

[@oblivexx]

Slavery was fewer in times of Joseph. Him bringing the Hebrews into Egypt caused a massive issue with population control that the ruling class, after generations, became slavers of many. I think like from Joseph to Moses, 50 - 100 years had already passed.

[@rebeccabarton7745]

you're calling "Give a little more than you take" MEDIOCRE???????????????? jail.

[@DallSmick]

This video is very outdated and I don't remember everything I said lol My current opinion is that it's one of the better songs of the film. I prefer the reprisal with Jodie Benson and David Campbell, since they harmonize really well together. I think part of why I was hard on these songs was because I was directly comparing them to The Prince of Egypt which was unfair of me.

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

I laught out HARD when 3:40 was sung. Its so dumb and paints Joseph as so self centered The most annoying part of the movie for me was how Joseph never had a character arc. He never did anything terribly wrong or went through any hardships (he is framed for little reason, if he had been the one to flirt with the pharaoh wife that would have been more interesting). He was praised for the dumbest things and given the title of vice-pharaoh for reading a dream? He was a Mary-Sue the whole way through and I was waiting for him to get his face punched or doing something evil. Also I love how well treated and happy the slaves are:)) good thing, or else Joseph would look bad as a slave owner Finally, I hated the song "you know better than I" as its just "I will just assume there is a reason for this, I know nothing, I am dumb human "

[@TheBlueArmageddon]

Also, just thought of something... Benjamin as a character bothers me. 1. Youre telling me his father made the same mistake with upbringing as Joseph? 2. The only reason we can believe Joseph to be a miracle child, is because his mother struggled to bear a child... welp guess it wasnt that much of a miracle after all 3. Youre telling me his dad is 50+ years old and still alive? We can use Ben to figure out that atleast 15 years must have passed since Joseph came to Egypt...which... raises 10 more questions, but im gonna limit myself. 4. We have no relation to him and hes just there as a plot device.

[@brandoncruise6398]

“He never went through hardships”. Are you kidding me?? Did you miss the part where he was betrayed by his own family? He was allowed to drink water only from the leftover sloppy mess of a camel after being deemed not worthy of drinking fresh water. Did you also miss the part where he spent two years in prison for a crime he did not commit? At this point he didn’t have any friends except for the one whose wife accused him of something he didn’t do, causing the two guys’ friendship to break. That is a whole lot of pain, loss, and loneliness.

[@BMK-234]

@@TheBlueArmageddon his dad wasn’t just 50+ years old. He was 130 when Joseph told the rest of his family to come to Egypt making him 108 when Joseph was sold and 91 when Joseph was born. He died after 17 years in Egypt at 147

[@arandomdude9982]

That's not actually the pharaoh that's actually his master the one who bought him

[@arandomdude9982]

@@BMK-234but he looks to young

[@teamsteed1]

I think "Joseph: King of Dreams" is a good prequel.

[@The_break_the_rule_guy]

Why do people hate this movie it’s so good.

[@DallSmick]

I don't hate it lol

[@The_break_the_rule_guy]

@@DallSmick same

[@annacatanzaritimusic]

Yes Mark Hamilton is awesome in this xx also Better Than I is my favourite song David Campbell rocked it, such a beautiful scene about giving your cares to God (yes I got religious there x)

[@simplesynth5585]

I need to make you more avatars lol

[@The_Reaper_Ren]

Huh, you look kinda skinny. Maybe it's the new haircut. -the avatar looks good btw, it fits your voice pretty well-

[@The_Reaper_Ren]

No problem.

[@DallSmick]

Im in love with these new avatars man. Thanks a lot x-x

[@timothyowens6532]

Do a video on how Nickelodeon is making a spin-off on spoungebob called Camp koral. And I’m new to the channel so i subscribed!