Joseph Smith, Mormon Prophet - Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World

Joseph Smith reported receiving divine revelations in the early 1800s, and eventually became the founder of the Mormon religion and his prophecies now influence the lives of millions. Jimmy and Dom consider the evidence concerning Smith's claims to be a prophet. sqpn.com/2019/...
Further Resources:
• Wikipedia on Joseph Smith: en.wikipedia.o...
• Wikipedia on the Standard Works: en.wikipedia.o...
• Wikipedia on the FAKE “Salamander Letter”: en.wikipedia.o...
• Robert Ritner’s book “The Joseph Smith Egyptian Papyri: A Complete Edition”: amzn.to/2xbdvDW
• Michael Rhodes book “The Hor Book of Breathings: A Translation and Commentary” (Brigham Young University Press): amzn.to/2Fpx2Ff
• Fact-based, neutral analysis of the Book of Abraham: • The Joseph Smith Papyr...
Information from LDS.org:
• “Joseph Smith-History”: www.lds.org/sc...
• “Seer Stones”: www.lds.org/st...
• Account of the Lost 116 Pages: www.lds.org/ma...
• Testimony of the Three Witnesses: www.lds.org/sc...
• Testimony of the Eight Witnesses: www.lds.org/sc...
• Facsimile 3 from the Book of Abraham: www.churchofje...
Mysterious Headlines:
• Claim Tom DeLonge’s To The Stars Academy May Be Government Info Operation: www.thedrive.c...
• What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?: www.thedrive.c...

[@johns1834]

My former wife joined the Mormon Church and I tried to embrace it later, but never really could and eventually left that church. Something just didn't feel right. Of course the Mormons told me I was condemned to Hell for leaving the church. Have since Come Home to Rome and enjoying some real Truth. Currently enrolled in RCIA.

[@suem6004]

Oh no.... I feel that same about non LDS religions... just something phoney about them.

[@suem6004]

@@johns1834 The trinity was an invented pagan concept to get away from accusations of polytheism. So they invented the three headed one body concept of God probably patterned after the three headed dog Cerberus which pagan converts could understand. Still, the theophany of Joseph Smith who saw Jesus next to Father blows the trinity out of the water. With God the Father pointing to Jesus on the right 'This is my beloved Son, hear him". End of millennia debate. Settled. But after all that no where did Jesus insist on the trinity as a gauge for being Christian. Never. Jesus always pointed to the Father through himself. His perfect will was always about his Father who created our souls. He wants us to return to him. And in the words of Pope Francis one's conscience not denomination is important. If your LDS come to Christ that way so be it. We are statistically, much more faithful, attend church, read scripture more often, say prayers more often, have more in tact families than Catholics. So until Catholics take their faith more seriously, you can offer little. LDS take weekly sacrament, still dress in Sunday best, do not shop or dine out on the Sabbath. Again, how do Catholics dress for church? Keep the sabbath? Yet you pity us? Perhaps you should be more concerned about yourself and your church.

[@johns1834]

@@suem6004 Wow. You are truly misinformed about the Catholic Church. The Trinity (not the word Trinity) is right from the Bible. You realize the Bible you use today is from the Catholic Church. The Mormon idea of becoming a God is totally against the first of the 10 commandments. Satan was kicked out of heaven because he sought the same thing. Where ever you got your information from was a source that clearly hates the Catholic Church, much the same as going to the Democrats to learn what the Republicans think and do. Good luck.

[@Jmmoffa]

@@suem6004, typical Mormon troll, every time somebody questions your false religion you attack with lies. There several passages in the scriptures that talk about the Trinity, Isaiah 48:16, Matthew 3:16-17 and 28:19. Galatians 1:8 calls all of your scriptures into question and refutes them, “But even if we, or an angel from Heaven, preach another Gospel to you than what we preached to you, let him be accursed”. I’m sure you won’t believe because and to borrow a quote from one your LDS movies (16 Stones) “it doesn’t matter how much proof some people are shown, they still won’t believe”.

[@deitrichhenderson2078]

​@@suem6004Joseph Smith was a lying pedophile cult leader. Mormons believe God was a man , that's blasphemy. Mormons believe men can become gods, that's blasphemy. Joseph Smith said he sits at the right hand of the father, that's blasphemy. Sounds like Mormons are blasphemers

[@WONDERring]

My husband became a mormon in 2009. Missionaries were visiting my house weekly. One in particular suggested incessantly to pray if it was true. I prayed if I should become mormon. In my prayers, I was shown that you can’t have Christ without the Cross.

[@Hamann9631]

Wonder, this is a response to ,"I was shown that you can’t have Christ without the Cross." If you are making a big deal about physical crosses being worn and on buildings, I respectfully disagree. If you are denying our belief in Jesus being put upon the cross, you are a liar. The Book of Mormon says, "33 And I, Nephi, saw that he was lifted up upon the cross and slain for the sins of the world." That is 11 chapters into it. That was written around 600BC showing we believe the cross was known of by God and His prophets hundreds of years before He came. I'm hoping for the best but responded to both possibliities so people aren't led astray, if you are a liar.

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 So silly windbag, why dont you like putting crosses on you temples and chapels? All you have is angel MORONi tooting a horn.... Mormon Jesus does not like to be associate with the cross REMEMBER, dunce?

[@jonmason9360]

@@Hamann9631 you deliberately try to vindicate the book of Mormon. Ok you live with lies. It is your duty to get the truth... Others see your faith as false as I do yet you believe the subtlety of the cross or wearing a cross has no meaning. Sadly you continue to expose yourself as ignorant ( you choose this) or a poor student ( if you are older and just beginning apologetics) or just a slothful but hopeful believer in Smith's version. Either of the above are akin to continued participation as a Catholic to a sick & pedophile understanding or church. Again your defense is not only weak but inherently filled with lies that are easy to pierce & shoot down.... YOUR ARGUMENT IS WITH JESUS. BTW what does HE say about adding to the HOLY BIBLE KJV( DO YOU KNOW WHY THE KJV IS BETTER IF NOT BEST?) I PRAY FOR YOU MY FRIENDS WHO ARE MORMONS, YOUR OWN HISTORY DIDN'T ALLOW BLACKS INTO YOUR WHITENESS UNTIL 1978, SO WHAT CHANGED? NOT THE BIBLE. THE BOOK OF MORMON REWRITES ACCORDING TO YOUR EXECUTIVE COUNCIL... SORT OF LIKE THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. I REST MY CASE. HEAVENLY FATHER PLEASE HELP THIS INDIVIDUAL & OTHERS LIKE HIM worldwide. Many millions will be lost to false doctrine, deceitfulness & greed among many the things of sinful man & suffer a fate worse than death. I pray this particular person truly asks you Lord to open his heart so that he knows you, loves you , & loved the truth. In Jesus name I pray this simple request. Good nite friend, remember the road to hell is paved w good intentions.

[@WONDERring]

@@Hamann9631 I have no reason to lie. It is as I said. “Galatians 1:8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 1:9. As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.” Excerpt From The Douay-Reims Bible

[@Hamann9631]

@@WONDERring Of course, you have no good reason to lie. That doesn't mean you don't lie. "It is as I said." is a worthless statement because your original statement was vague. It could have meant 2 different things. I hope you will clarify this. Galatians was written by a living Apostle. The lesson from that verse is God uses His prophets and apostles to teach us. You are currently in violation of Galatians, not me. My first reply to you wasn't perfectly clear. I disagree with those who think it matters that Roman Catholicism uses physical crosses. Having living Apostles with the keys Jesus gave to Peter is more important than any physical shape on a building or necklace.

[@Thomas-dw1nb]

Linguistic note: When Jimmy says "ang-shint", he means "ancient".

[@treeannie8831]

He talks like me! 🇨🇱

[@erincarter1469]

I asked God if the Book of Mormon was true. He said, well, the Lord of the Rings is closer to the truth, but if you like fantasy.

[@suem6004]

Funny but those magic medals and beads must have mislead you. Interference from trinkets and talisman.

[@bradleytarr2482]

Hey troll, the one true Gospel is witnessed by 1.36 Billion, not your measly and puny 17 Million. ​@@suem6004

[@ilonkastille2993]

This is not fantasy , this is willful lying in order to destroy the true one and only church Jesus instituted.

[@erincarter1469]

@@ilonkastille2993 Yes. But that is the oldest game in the book of those who oppose God. Must say, Smith gets points for creativity ....using an Egyptians book of the dead has Abraham's writings is.....amusing.

[@ilonkastille2993]

Dabbling into the occult, explains how demons used him to start a false church .

[@rockymountainway8728]

How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all your beer? Invite another Mormon.

[@suem6004]

Yep all those drunken Catholics added so much good to families and the church. Jesus for sure wanted a religion of drunkards. Haha Ummm where can I beat my wife while drunk and not get excommunicated? The Catholic Church

[@John_McCarthy1]

Ha, classic, though the version of this joke I originally heard was of baptists instead of Mormons.

[@georgemartin1383]

@@suem6004 seething.

[@fireballgarcia1281]

I can’t help but draw parallels between the formation and arguments for Islam and that of Mormanism

[@Hamann9631]

Fireball Garcia. You haven't looked into it closely or are dishonest. I am getting ready for work so I don't have time to type more.

[@deusimperator]

There is a reason why Joey Smith was called the American Mohammed.... same thing

[@Hamann9631]

@@deusimperator There are many differences. The most important is Joseph Smith didn't deny the sonship of Jesus Christ and the Fatherhood of God. Joseph Smith didn't describe heaven as having sex toys for the men there.

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 OH YES.... Endless endless celestial sex making spirit babies to populate our own planet .... yes Joey Smitty did have a more carnal vision of heaven than even Momo the profit did

[@Hamann9631]

@@deusimperator Wow. So sex with a wife who went through this mortal life with a man and uncertainty about a second wife is more carnal than many woman shaped things being given to a man? You need to repent of your disagreement with God. God inspired Paul to write the bed is undefiled. That is a euphemism for sex. Undefiled means there is nothing wrong with married sex.

[@credodm1058]

There's a Mormon temple in my area, so I am frequented by their door-to-door evangelists. I do my best to defend The Church in a charitable manner. The conversation is always pleasant up until a certain point, which varies, but is usually when they talk about "feeling the burning in my bosom" or heart. In this case, I use the arguments you mention about subjective feelings being volatile and untrustworthy. Everytime, no matter the actual point of conversation derailment, their response is "why are you attacking me". No rhyme or reason. Why do their evangelists seem to run or execute through their sales pitch like a robot or computer executing a programmed process? And, why are the Mormon salesmen so similar to the Watchtower/JW salesmen? Their responses are almost identical it seems.... Pax ✌️

[@adamhovey407]

When I lived in Illinois, (and not a lot of people know Illinois has a Mormon history), The LDS actually used to come to my house. My dad, a Lutheran but respectful of Catholicism, and knowing Church history, Would debate them. After a while, the LDS would to our house, but stopped talking about religion. I think my dad, who knew his Sauk Indian grandmother, took some issues with some of the racist things they taught. By the way, the people that were there at first, the people he successfully debate it, after a while they stopped coming, and some older Mormons did. The Mormons did leave us money, after my dad died to help out with stuff, they don't know that we know it was them, but we know, and I'm very thankful for that. And I'm glad they do act like that, and I really wish us Christians would act like that, too

[@Hamann9631]

Credo DM. The feelings from the Holy Ghost aren't subjective. They aren't demonstrable like a cut, scar, mole, etc but that doesn't make those feelings subjective.

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 Oh yeah that burning in the bosom thingy? What if I read the Qur'an and got myself a burning in the bosom??? What happens if a Mohammedan told me to listen to the recitation of the Qur'an and told me to pray about it and I got a burning in the bosom??? HEY dunce do you look at rat poison and pray that it is not rat poison before you spread it on your sandwich???

[@jonmason9360]

They do, because they're a cult with zero Holy Spirit, which only comes through a relationship with JESUS Accept Jesus ASAP. SHALOM

[@suem6004]

@@adamhovey407 You are religious bigot freak

[@SBuckStark]

In my experience the “burning of the bosom“ is easily replicated by a large dose of Indian food.

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

😂😂😂 I’ll have to remember that one.

[@LocalGinger773]

Lololololololololololololol

[@brookekennel2636]

Excellent episode! For me, the complete lack of archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon is enough to disprove Smith’s prophetic status. When I found out about the Book of Abraham gaffe, it was just an extra nail in the coffin. What distresses me, though, is that I have seen several Mormons on the Internet turn to atheism after losing their faith in their church’s claims. It’s understandable from a psychological point of view for them to be wary of getting burned again, but it saddens me to see them inoculated against the true Church because they had a bad experience with a false one. I should also say that it’s really great to hear someone talking about this from a Catholic perspective. So many of the videos I’ve watched of Christians addressing Mormon claims come from an Evangelical perspective and sometimes they suggest things that Catholics would not be able to agree with.

[@billyhw5492]

Yes, I've noticed this too. Mormonism is a factory for Atheism, and ex-Mormons are extremely anti-Catholic because of their bad experiences in the Mormon "Church".

[@jonmason9360]

Of course that doesn't mean the Catholic faith is anywhere near truthful ... Deception is in the house.

[@Hamann9631]

Brooke Kennel.You haven't looked into the archeology. There is Hebrew and Egyptian writing in North America. There were earth mounts shaped like menorahs and oil lamps. There are fortifications which are a perfect match for Captain Moroni's defensive structures. The Book of Abraham is true and beautiful. It isn't a gaffe.

[@jonmason9360]

@@Hamann9631 I don't find those worthy of ancient history like the dead sea scrolls

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 There isn't a single piece of archeology which provides any evidences for Mormonism. NOT ONE SCINTILLA OF EVIDENCE.... HEy dumbo have you asked you Mormon church as to what they found at Hill Cumorah which is owned by the Mormon denomination???? There was supposed to have been a great battle over there... so where are those steel swords and armor .... or steel arrow heads ... NOTHING WAS FOUND windbag

[@andrewpearson1903]

One note: both Smith and the Muhammad of Islam were recognized as prophets by their relatives. In fact Muhammad initially thought that he was being attacked by a demon, and only the encouragement of his wife and uncle convinced him to be open to more visitations from the "angel Gabriel." Having a "prophet" in the family is prestigious, and dangerous to the soul: Judges 17 tells the story of a man who made an idol and convinced a Levite to serve it in his house, and thought God would be pleased with him for having one of His priests in his service. Meanwhile Jesus was rejected by most of his relatives (though not all, since the New Testament frequently mentions His mother and the "brothers of the Lord"), his hometown, and most of the Jews. This rejection is mentioned again and again in the Gospels, probably to emphasize that He really was a prophet and not a hyped-up avatar of familial or racial vainglory.

[@suem6004]

By the mouth of two or three witnesses will mytruth be established. You never read a verse of the bible ofcourse

[@mollyedwards7494]

Interesting. This experience w the Muslim prophet parallels one of the vision stories of JS…in that he was being attacked by the devil before saying he saw the father and the son, which again, is just one of the versions.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Their redefinition of words, as pointed out in Inside Mormonism, is the thing that really gets me. They come across as incredibly dishonest for that reason. Like their theology is just so foreign from Christianity, yet they try to mask that at every turn. And just on a historical level, things like Egyptian, Israelite, etc, aren't just empty placeholders you can put whatever you want into. Egyptian is a particular language with its own genealogy and relation to other languages not just whatever their supposed prophets say it is to fit their narrative.

[@suem6004]

Catholics are so pagan. Witchy. Candles. Magic medals. Voodoo beads. Idols. Not one lives the gospel.

[@suem6004]

RC like you who slander and lie about others are the problem. Jesus turned his back on you. Removed apostles and prophets for you reject them. He worked with honest, simple, humble people like Joseph Smith. He did not have your deception. He was open to the theophany he had. He listened and not lectured God as RC always do. The restoration and the fullness of the gospel is now on earth. IF you cannot see it, it is because you are deceived by lies and false traditions.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@suem6004 Jesus was known for tough love during his worldly ministry, so what are you talking about? Scammers and diviners would be thrown out like the money changers as would the lying adulterers

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

@@suem6004 These things are just practices the Church could ban for pastoral reasons if people were abusing them. But if you are Mormon this is a wacky thing to say with your magic underwear and other practices. Abuse does not negate proper use

[@suem6004]

@@TheThreatenedSwan So you can dish out slander but you cannot handle it. Exactly the hypocrites I cannot stand. At least use facts and reason but Atkins offers 2 century outdated refutations. Really?

[@nickallen8333]

Thank you for another great one jimmy! Will be donating to support this pod cast!

[@JimmyAkin]

Awesome! Thank you so much, Nick!

[@suem6004]

Jimmy is cheap ass. He is a con artist. Too chicken to debate this with real believers and apologists. Coward

[@davidarcudi230]

And a good morning gentlemen Smith is further proof to me of how much damage the protestant reformation did to the world

[@chateaumojo]

Eartthly version of the fall of the angels.

[@Eman1900O]

Dave Arcudi you mean the Pope and therefore the Protestants

[@13Ucube]

@@Eman1900O Which Pope, Pope Luther, Pope Henry the 8th, Pope Joseph Smith, Pope elder votes on what's happening now? The gates of hell aren't wide enough to cover the different options of simultaneous papacies. I think the demons are starting a protest on how much ground they are trying to cover.

[@cyclone8974]

I suppose you want to go back to when the average person wasn't even allowed to read the bible. Because that's how it was. The bible was read in church but only silently.

[@martincorneille7998]

@@cyclone8974 this is a complete myth. Many pious medieval kings (e.g. saint Louis of France, Rastislav of Greater Moravia...) were commanded for ordering translations into vernacular languages of the Bible. If anything, anyone was allowed ex ante to publish Bible translations, with only ex post prohibition of potentially misleading translations. Only in the 16th century (ad a reaction to widespread manipulations by every Protestant self-proclaimed leader and his cousin) were translations forbidden unless authorized by an imprimatur

[@stephensamperi9251]

Very informative. To be a mormon means you have to trust Joseph Smith. This guy was someone who communicated with an angel (with no witnesses), was not supposed to provide another translation that was lost, had to give back evidence to an angel (with no witnesses), described various historical details that noone has found supportive evidence for, and was known for being a treasure hunter who told stories. hmmm

[@suem6004]

Yes theophanies are matters of faith. And with 830 more pages preaching about Jesus that means MORE light and knowledge.

[@Hamann9631]

@stephensamperi9251, Joseph Smith did have many witnesses. You have apparently not looked into it. Joseph Smith did not and does not owe us a retranslation of the stolen start of The Book of Mormon. There are ruins all over the western hemisphere. They match things in The Book of Mormon. Did you think there were no ruins in the western hemisphere?

[@jmj9631]

@@Hamann9631 How many witnesses are there of Joseph seeing the angel? And did they see the angel?

[@Hamann9631]

@@jmj9631 My previous comment is gone. I do not know if it was the algorithm or Jimmy Akin. Enough witnesses of Joseph Smith and the multiple angels exist for God to hold you and I accountable to that truth. The mot important witness is God who has told it happened. The devil lies about God's true witnesses just like he did when he had convinced Saul of Tarsus to murder christians. I do not extremely large numbers of witnesses to believe the truth. I believe Jesus Christ suffered for my sins and have only His witness. It is true that Jesus Christ bled from every pore in the Garden of Gethsemane, and the only witness was one angel. We are not without witnesses of the Restoration. People saw the Golden Plates, angels, and Jesus Christ. Those angels include Elijah, Elias, Moses, Peter, James, John, and John the Baptist.

[@HeroQuestFans]

great show. I didn't listen to all episodes in order, but I've now heard the entire show's run. not bad considering I was a few years late! thanks for doing these

[@ellobo4211]

Jehovah witness next please!!

[@JimmyAkin]

I've added it to the list. :-)

[@zon3665]

Correction on Testimony of Eight Witnesses. Their testimony is: "Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it."

[@jlewis8145]

The Book of Mormon also includes a joint statement from eight men who claim to have seen the gold plates. Half of the witnesses are related to David Whitmer. Three are related to Joseph Smith including his father and two brothers. *** The relationship with the witnesses were strained. Brigham Young Some of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon, who handled the plates and conversed with the angels of God, were afterwards left to doubt and to disbelieve that they had ever seen an angel*. Brigham Young - Mormon prophet Journal of Discourses 7:164 * Notice Brigham equates seeing the plates with seeing an angel **** Within eight years all of the Three Witnesses were excommunicated from the church. Joseph Smith Such characters as McLellin, John Whitmer, David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, and Martin Harris, are too mean to mention; and we had liked to have forgotten them. Joseph Smith - Mormonism founder History of the Church 3:232 *** After Joseph Smith's death, Oliver Cowdery eventually joined the Methodist church. Martin Harris and David Whitmer followed James J. Strang. **** In the end, whatever the witnesses saw or claimed to have seen through a vision doesn't matter, because none could read Reformed Egyptian, so none could verify that Joseph's Book of Mormon is an accurate translation.

[@zon3665]

@@jlewis8145 None of this changes the witness they have given to the world as stated before your comment. It is well known that even great men, such as the Apostle Peter, have faltered before men at times - as the cock crowed in reminder. Just because the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak, we give these witnesses the benefit of the doubt.

[@suem6004]

Amen. These fools love to slander. They have zip to say without lying. Just as satan lies

[@suem6004]

Thanks for sharing what Jimmy happily ignored. He misinforms the audience. Skews things so bash LDS. Never to be honest and tolerant and respectful. Pure religious bigotry. He cannot even do basic research. If I did a hit piece on other religions or peoples at college, I would have failed my class. I was taught to present others' points of view in a respectful and honest way. Jimmy does none of that. Really cowardly. I am happy to debate. Other LDS theologians can debate but Jimmy wants a monologue to prove how wrong LDS theology is and how perfect Catholic theology. Any fourth grader to do that.

[@Dandeeman26]

Lucy was the Prophet's Mom. Emma was his 1st wife.

[@destineegreen5934]

Thank you for this! I’m Catholic and my best friend is Mormon. I fully agree to not base belief on emotions! Emotions are fical and basing every decision on how you “feel” is dangerous. I truly enjoy your podcast and work! Thank you again Jimmy!

[@Hamann9631]

Destinee Green. We Mormons base our beliefs on messages from God. It is different than emotions.

[@suem6004]

You certainly do not know your LDS friend if you think his or her testimony is based on feelings..... I mean a Catholic for one with their tradition of 'smells and bells' should not talk when it comes to 'feelings'.

[@geared422]

There is something to be said for following your gut instinct.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@@suem6004 Those are traditions. We use incense and bells during mass but it's not part of our theology. The problem with your prophet is that he is, theologically, unnecessary. What more can man be offered, or want, than redemption and life Eternal? What more could God give than the Word, who became Man for our salvation? Anything else is superfluous. In the Bible there is a verse that will tell you everything you need to know about LDS . Galatians 8-9 "But if we, or an angel on Heaven, preach another Gospel to you other than this one LET him BE ACCURSED " Strong words from Paul, a man who did not mince words. Open up your Book of Mormon. What does it say under "The Book of Mormon" "Another Gospel of Jesus Christ".

[@suem6004]

@@madamvaudelune3298 Awww still misusing Galatians to justify your lack of prophets and apostles. Such a shame you turned your back on God for worship of an institution. But luckily Jesus is alive and well in case you have not read that far in the bible. He still is active in his work for neither his work nor works have an end. He very much wishes to lead his church but of course these institutions became pharisaical and told Jesus to get out and never return. The Grand Inquisitor is about what the Church would do to Jesus if he dared showed his face again. Burned at the stake. Only Joseph meekly asked the Lord to guide his decision and for his humility was treated to a theophany of Jesus next to the Father. Finally, a mortal who would listen not lecture Jesus. Your outright confusion and loss of spiritual leadership is why More light and knowledge was required. Just as Jesus corrected those false teachings and traditions the pharisees defended, so he had to return and correct centuries of utter superstition and clericalism. Jesus, not we, are in charge. And we rejoice to hold onto all Jesus’ words past, present and future. That is genuine Christianity. The falling away had occurred as the bible warned but now he restored the fullness and gave us living apostles and prophets. More Jesus is better than less Jesus.

[@amyraab8326]

Was recently in Utah so this was particularly interesting 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Great work guys 👍 Praying for you 🙏🌟

[@suem6004]

But utterly wrong. Like non Catholics repeating... you know like Mary was a prostitute and then bore Jesus just so Catholics can make magic medals and stuff

[@suem6004]

You should not listen to disinformation. Jimmy did not accurately present LDS theology or history. Very shotty research. Very embarrassing for a supposed apologist. Straw man tactics. He refused to debate an LDS theologian because he would would be on the carpet with all his lies repudiated and rebuffed. Listen to the LDS themselves. Like I listen to Catholics instead of Lutherans to learn about Catholicism. So by listening to Jimmy, you are listening to a Lutheran of sorts.

[@robertlehnert4148]

Roughing It, Chapter 16 "ALL men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle--keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone, in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason." -- Mark Twain

[@nicholassoen3708]

nice quote lol

[@suem6004]

And you get your Spiritual knowledge from Mark Twain of all people? Haha No wonder the Catholic Church is failing.

[@robertlehnert4148]

@@suem6004 utter non sequitur AND ad ignorantum.

[@suem6004]

@@robertlehnert4148 Way to go ignoramus! Keep your magic medals. You will need them.

[@bobbyfive7830]

27:20 you miss the point here , the bom has mistakes that are specific to a print addition smith owned, the mistakes only appear in that bible and the bom js even included the italics lol

[@suem6004]

Amen. These people adore being religious bigots. No wonder so many defected and continue to defect from the catholic church

[@suem6004]

Thanks for truth. These truth haters love being lied to by corrupt and ignorant apologists like Akins who pretends he knows ONE thing about LDS theology. He could not name one article of faith. He could not name one verse from the Book of Mormon. But these sheeple love to love lies.

[@suem6004]

Thanks for pointing that out. Too bad, he has no interest in presenting truth. Just half truths and slander.

[@josephmoya5098]

@@suem6004 Sue, Bobby Five here is saying that Jimmy is being to kind to Joseph, not that Jimmy is being unfair. Joseph Smith included translational errors from his version of of the King James Bible in the Book of Mormon. I actually think Jimmy's answer is quite kind and fair. Of course Joseph would translate extremely similar passages in the Book of Mormon in a way that he already knew. Modern translators do the same. But, that doesn't change the fact that the rest of the conversation about Joseph Smith is correct and he is clearly not a prophet.

[@suem6004]

@@josephmoya5098 A prophet because he choose he was not. Not Catholic enough. Yet any mystic nun can be a prophet and visionary no questions. How does a 3rd grader know Jewish chiasmas? One directed by God personally? How does a 3rd grader write a coherent biblical accurate and yet slightly different 530 page text no rewrites in 90 days? Hmm Not even your best and brightest could do that. Prophet is not some fortune teller. He is CHOSEN by God to work or speak on his behalf. That is perfectly clear that that happened. Since you have probably not studied nor read our doctrine, our texts, our history... maybe you all should keep your mouth shut? Catholics have a mess right now. OnlyLDS are keeping God's commands and covenants right now.

[@undolf4097]

The explanation for the translation being wrong with the book of Abraham is “God works miracles” which is unsatisfying for sure

[@grod1194]

Hey Jimmy can you do one on Tilma of Juan Diego

[@John_McCarthy1]

After having read all the (640) comments (im at an IT internship ands its slow waiting for computers to update), it's wild people are still arguing after the ~5+ years this video's been up. I've seen people on both sides being rude jack wagons too, so new commenters beware.

[@johncapurso9313]

Suggest anyone interested in learning about Smith, read Fawn Brody’s biography of him called No Man Knows My History.

[@erincarter1469]

Seems like these days there are a lot of people figuring out truth by a "burning in the bosum". They should probably take Nexum for that heart-burn.

[@suem6004]

Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. You are not taught that. Not taught how to pray for discernment. So those with the Holy Spirit, LDS, are more advanced than you

[@kennymccannYT]

Thank you for sharing. The more I learn about other faiths the greater my appreciation for the Universal Church becomes.

[@Marco-qe5zw]

Do Project Pegasus - 1863 Gettysburg & Mars Teleportations , i've always been curious about this!

[@JimmyAkin]

Already on the list! :-)

[@MilanJibril]

37:55 historical archaeology evidence 41:00 questioning him as a prophet

[@suem6004]

1. Does God or clerics run His church? 2. Does God lead his church today through revelation? If not, why? 3. Did Jesus know other peoples on the planet outside of Israel? If not, he was not God then. 4. What is God’s word limit? How many words is Jesus limited to for eternity? Sola scriptura?

[@andyfisher2403]

Re- watching this after the recent Horn v Hansen debate.

[@joksal9108]

I have the Golden Plates, if anybody’s still looking for them. 😂

[@timcooper1321]

how much do they weigh? their only value would be as bouillon, certainly not in anyway scriptural.

[@joksal9108]

@@timcooper1321 Yes, I’ve made a good bouillon out of them. Not too salty!

[@joksal9108]

@@timcooper1321 More broth than bouillon…

[@John_McCarthy1]

To be fair, they would have historical value at the very least. I am saying this as a Catholic and not a Mormon.

[@peterlargent8916]

I don't believe in their faith but will say I love Utah and the people very loving and giving I wish all people were also like that Pete knows

[@suem6004]

I wish Catholics would stop slandering and lying, proving to the world they cannot be trusted

[@suem6004]

Thank you. Now you see how corrupt people like Akins are to slander and lie about other religions. If they lie about LDS, they lie about everything else for you cannot separate the liar from the lies.

[@suem6004]

Get to know the LDS. Outsiders like Akins spins, inaccurately tells our theology, has an axe to grind. It would be like me going to Lutherans to learn about Catholicism. Weird. You go to practitioners of the faith and not apostates. So, plenty of pro LDS youtube videos. Listen to those. At least you will get a more truthful theology.

[@Hillbilly_Papist]

The western worlds version of Islam.

[@suem6004]

Yep, but nothing more Islam than praying, worshiping, baptizing, taking the eucharist, blessing... in the name of Jesus Christ.

[@hoid8069]

Could you do an episode on the Mothman?

[@JimmyAkin]

Mothman is on the list!

[@jimfoley8014]

@@JimmyAkin In Brooklyn we have Legend of Mawtman.

[@procinctu1]

“Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dummmmb.”

[@83aber1]

Read about the legends of the muramasa sword smith that some say is insane. His swords were destroyed out of fear of demonic powers possessing people. Would love to hear a future episode about this subject.

[@suem6004]

What on earth are you driveling on about? Another magic medal story?

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

@@suem6004 It's a Japanese legend. There are several about legendary sword smiths and Kami (gods)

[@uncatila]

Let's praise the LDS for producing the best Documentary about St Joan of Arc.

[@jamesmaxwell9289]

Mr. Fealy, Please tell me how I might access the documentary on Joan of Ark. Thank you as this truly means a lot to me. Thank you... Jim

[@suem6004]

LDS also produced lots of bible videos you watch. See, LDS are truth tellers not like slanderers here. RC adore slander and bigotry. Not impressed. It is one thing to disagree but he is too cowardly to debate an LDS scholar.

[@elizabethking5523]

@@suem6004, Akin would debate anyone. He is very fair and kind a man. It’s LDS scholars who do not really debate. They have their group discussions amongst their own. I am a former 6 gen Mormon. I still love the Mormon people. ❤️🙏🏻

[@maryreynolds8568]

I just recently discovered your mysterious world, and I am loving it! I like spooky and mysterious stories, but I give it a wide berth so as to protect my Catholic faith. Now I can get my questions answered in keeping with my faith and common sense. Regarding Joseph Smith, I recently read a book about Freemasonry, and the book made a reference to Joseph Smith. Evidently, he was a Freemason, and the Mormon temple is very similar in many ways to the Freemason's temple. Also, some of the Mormon rituals have a lot of parallels in Freemasonry. The name of the book I read is "33 Degrees of Deception" by Tom C. McKenny. Freemasonry also has a thing about Egyptian mythology. That is really interesting.

[@Hamann9631]

Mary Reynolds. Joseph Smith was a Freemason. The temple ceremony has too many inportant differences to compare it to the Freemason rituals and clothing.

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 Yeah he stole all those from the Freemasons .... Have you seen stupidly funny temple ceremony at the NewNameNoah channel.... go watch it - it is so funny passwords, handshakes ... and everyone gets the same name that day 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😁😁😁😁😁

[@deusimperator]

WAtch the Mormon freemasonry supersecret cremony on the NewNameNoah channel

[@maryreynolds8568]

@@Hamann9631 Thanks. I don't know much about it, other than what I read in the book.

[@Hamann9631]

@@maryreynolds8568 deusimperator is wrong. NewNameNoah's videos are wrong because sacred things shouldn't be shown to the world. Watching those videos is as morally wrong as watching secret sex videos and hidden camera videos set up to embarrass people.

[@andtou1342]

Is it just me or is Mormonism similar to Arianism?

[@Hamann9631]

And Tou. Without double checking specifics of Arianism... Yes. I remember thinking he was very close to the truth when I have heard Arianism explained.

[@deusimperator]

No mormonism is similar to Mohammedanism ..... Joey Smith and Mohammed were very similar persons.... Mohammed had 13 wives, Joey had 40 wives... both were interested in underage girls... both shagged their servents and got caught in the act. Momo was a warlord and killed people whom he did not like. Joey made himself the general of the Navoo militia and claimed to be king while running for president of the USA and tried to have people he did not like assassinated. Dont forget the series of frauds and scams that Joey was running since his childhood stealing cattle and hiding them waiting to be "ransomed". Momo to used to raid caravans and took the loot and had the people pay a ransom to get themselves out..... Joey was the American Mohammed

[@veronica_._._._]

@@Hamann9631 @And Tou And esoteric islam aka sufism all the way back to gnoticism, with The Knowers, (the secretive priesthood of no rules) and The Known. (the rulebound oblivious laity as human shield) The tale remains the same. Every sect in the Middle East follows this pattern, the Druze the Yazdis the Mandeans, the multiple initiatory Shia sects are actually the original islam, before it became Arab identarianism.

[@suem6004]

@@veronica_._._._ Oh, do those priesthoods also have the Melchizedek priesthood of Jesus Christ too? Do those others stem from direct theophany by God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son?

[@veronica_._._._]

@@suem6004 No free masonry and it's fictive origin stories came directly from those Middle Eastern initiatory gnostic mystery cults, and Mormonism and it's fictive origin stories, comes from freemasonry too, but you wouldn't know about, the rituals and beliefs of the highest initiates in Mormonism, as you are a female.

[@jonmason9360]

Sad misguided knowledge regarding Absolute truth of Jesus & His Story ... What the Mormons don't accept will hurt them . Accept Jesus ASAP as it is written. The Old Testament is the New Testament Concealed, & the New Testament is the Old Revealed.

[@Hamann9631]

Jon Mason. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do accept the name sake of their religion. We are eagerly waiting you to join us in Jesus Christ's church.

[@jonmason9360]

@@Hamann9631 keep telling nonsense... You like or love Jesus as some love Satan, you do not recognize Jesus as Lord & Saviour of all mankind , that HE died for EVERYONEs sins on the cross and was resurrected 3 days later.... Mormons accept Joseph Smith's (1805-1844) inspired version. That God the Father was once a man..but progressed to godhood .... Not accepting of The Father, Son & Holy Spirit but that these above stated are 3 separate gods.. Mormons believe that Jesus was created as a spirit child by the Father & Mother in heaven .. I don't know where I'm wrong if that's in your book? SHALOM

[@Hamann9631]

@@jonmason9360 It is evil to lie. And nonsense. " Jesus as Lord & Saviour of all mankind , that HE died for EVERYONEs sins on the cross and was resurrected 3 days later" is exactly what we believe. Our Father in Heaven's past doesn't disprove the other beautiful truths about Him. He is our Father. Children always become like thier parents. We can become like our Father. The Bible is clear that Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Ghost are 3 different Beings. They are all worthy to be called Gods. The Bible tells us Jesus Christ was the first born of Father in Heaven's spirit children. (see Colossians 1:15) I invite you to read our book. The Bible is great.

[@jonmason9360]

@@Hamann9631 your argument is not with me Your argument is with Jesus. John 3:16, yes it's true lying is evil. A partial truth is still a lie. SHALOM

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 Christ already had his church which never apostasized .... the Catholic Church .... Along comes the American Mohammed and we are supposed to believe his novel religion about Jews coming to America, people living on the moon, their g-d Ahman living somewhere near kolob .... oh yeah American Space Force is gonna find Ahman's planet and raid his harem of heavenly mothers for ourselves.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

I have always said that if I could choose my neighbors they would be Mormons. Such nice people. But I cannot wrap my brain around such bad theology. When what. book says contradicts the Bible it's time to do serious investigation. And believe me my church does not consider the Bible inerrant. The claims about Hebrews in the New world are not supported by archeology. And sealing goes against Jesus own words. It's bizarre.

[@suem6004]

What cant you understand about Jesus returning in a theophany? Jesus not priests direct his church. Jesus not tradition determines truth. Jesus is not dead but lives. Restored his original church with prophets and apostles. Ask why doesnt the Catholic church have prophets and apostles? If not, why did God abandon the church?

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@@suem6004 And, if may ask, why don't you think we have prophets and apostle? Poor fellow, look on top of the Vatican and see a statue of every apostle. Look inside and see Moses, the Law giver, carved in marble by no one less than Michaelangelo. Go to Florence and see David, commissioned by Pope Julius, in his youth and vigorfor all to see. Prophets? We have such visionaries as have communed and fellowshiped with Jesus while in Ecstasy of the soul: Saint Francis of Assisi, Saint Teresa of Avila, Saint Veronica Giuliani, St. Rose of Lima, Saint Padre Pio of Pietrelchina to name only a few. Such was their love for Him, and Him for them, that they begged to share not only the peace and delight in His presence, they asked, as a token of His love, to share some of His pain, and since He denies His beloved nothing, He gave unto them. Poor deluded fellow, our priests don't 'run the church.,' They serve Him. Our churches, every one of them, is built on the model of the tent in the wilderness, and the temple in Jerusalem. The outer court any may enter. The next is where the worshippers abide and finally the Alter of the Shewbread, the Holy of Holies where only the priest may enter. Is this not how the Old Testament presents itself? Your religion is a farce, created by a man who KNEW NO HEBREW NOR GREEK. The Hebrew people held their language sacred, a gift from God. So sacred in fact that even a tiny mistake in the copying of a Torah scroll negates the entire scroll and it must be ritually destroyed. According to your teachings, a COMPLETELY literate people came to America...and forgot how to write? A people who built with stone and wood, clever with the smelting and hammering of metal, built nothing? Everywhere the people of Israel went they left cultural and physical attestation of their presence. But your "prophet" alleges that God revealed His Word in a language no one has seen before? Your 'prophet', and Charles Russell Taze of the Jehovah's witness, both had to admit UNDER OATH that they knew neither Greek nor Hebrew, and could neither read nor understand the writings of theBible in their original languages. I know not whence you get your information. But long before you were, we ARE. We are largest non,-government distributers of food, clothing, shelter, medicine and education in the world. Know then that our prophets and Apostles, visionaries and consecrated virgins both male and female, live and pray and serve to this day and unto eternity. Christ lives and speaks and continues thru His saints to heal and guide and place His Living Flesh and Blood in the body of His church for Eternity. ' Lest you eat of My flesh and drink of My blood you shall NOT have life Eternal ( John 6). Do you? Unless you do, you have no life in you. His words, not mine

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@@suem6004 For starters, why don't you provide me with factual evidence that there were Hebrews here before Columbus? Because if you can't your whole theology, theophany included falls on its face. There is a difference between "the truth" and "the facts". A truth may be something you accept in your heart. But a FACT can be demonstrated to anyone. A fact CAN BE SCRUTINIZED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO CAN ARRIVE AT THE SAME CONCLUSION. So if what you say is factual, present evidence that the Lamanitesor other Hebrew tribes were here. Our priests do not 'direct our church.' They follow, as well as human frailty permits, the dictates of CANON LAW, established using the Bible as well as practical evidentiary experience from the early Church fathers as regards communal and societal worship and practice.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@@suem6004 We have Apostles and if you ever visit the Vatican you will see statues, paintings, Icons and other artistic depictions by the likes of Cellini, Michaelangelo, Fra Angelico, etc. We have visionaries, ecstatics and leaders who have changed the world. Saint Teresa of Avila, Saint Veronica Giuliani, Saint Francis of Assisi, are but a few. One of my favorite saints is Padre Pio. After the second world war a group of American soldiers went to see the humble priest who received the Stigmata. A skeptic was among them. He rudely yelled at Padre Pio, "Show me your wounds!" And the humble priest tenderly looked into the soldiers angry eyes, and softly said, "Show me yours." The soldier broke down and cried. He told Padre Pio how a moment of fear and hesitation cost his fellow soldiers their lives. Padre Pio showed him the story of a man named Peter, and that Jesus' love could not be destroyed by our weakness, our faithlessness. I I don't know much about your prophet. Tell me, what acts of self-denial proclaimed his faith in Christ? What did he give in loving sacrifice, obedience and humility to Christ? What gifts of the Holy Spirit did he demonstrate? Was he willing to unalive even for those who despised him? Tell me about his personal purity, his chastity and modesty. Tell me of his poverty, how he was willing to be hungry and homeless like.his Lord. Because Padre Pio and Francis of Assisi had all of these. Our Lord never abandons His children. He is with us in the Holy Eucharist, in our prayers, and in the person.of the poor whom we serve in His name.

[@suem6004]

@@madamvaudelune3298 OK. Paracas skulls of Peru. DNA studies by non LDS archeologists found Levantine DNA groups. See, you must be illiterate to say um prove to me, then never read or study anything. Childish on your part. Smithonian Mag published that civilizations of 20,000,000 people lie under the jungle. See, ignorance is not evidence. There were many many migrations outside Bering Strait. Again, why are you ignorant?

[@vintifada7115]

I find the take that “quoting king James Bible in the BOM is a bad argument” to be lacking. The BOM quotes parts of the New Testament from the King James Bible when there were still typos and the typos are in the BOM. The New Testament isn’t supposed to have existed yet in the time of these ancient Amerindian/Hebrews. Maybe I’m missing something

[@JimmyAkin]

I'm trying to be absolutely fair to the LDS position, and it's not unreasonable for Joseph Smith to have quoted from the KJV, in whatever edition he had available to him. This would be similar to the New Testament authors quoting from the Septuagint (LXX) when they quoted the Old Testament, and they demonstrably did that (80-90% of the time). Hope this helps!

[@vintifada7115]

@@JimmyAkin Wow thanks for the quick response to an old video. The key is the BOM is claimed to be an ancient work, not a Joseph Smith work. He claims the BOM is a translation from the gold tablets. We wouldn’t expect direct quotes to be taken from the NT in the KJV translation with typos. That’s an anachronism. Maybe the BOM is claimed to have been written after the events of the NT so that would be fine but they wouldn’t have had the KJV

[@vintifada7115]

@@JimmyAkin Or are we saying it’s not unreasonable to think he used the KJV to aid in the translation of the gold tablets….?

[@JimmyAkin]

@@vintifada7115 My understanding is that some books in the LDS scriptures are held to be written after the time of Christ. In such case, they could contain quotations of the New Testament, in which case Joseph Smith could have used the KJV--as a translation familiar to his readers--to represent them. It's also possible that reading in the KJV could have colored Joseph Smith's translation of books written before the time of Christ. Thus, I don't consider the KJV-based argument to be decisive.

[@michaelharrington6698]

Is there a good source for comparing Mormon theology to Catholic theology?

[@bazzy8376]

And comparing an elephant to shoe?

[@Hamann9631]

Catholic Roots Mormon Harvest by Erick Shuster. It is his family's story, so it doesn't dive deeply in theology but it doesn't ignore it. It is published by Cedar Fort Inc.

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 I would not trust any book written by a MORmON .... there is that "Dr." muleskinner who lies and lies about Egyptians and Jews... and REAL Egyptologists keep calling him out for the fraudulent lies he makes up. Never trust a MORmON - if their mouth moves, they are lying

[@veronica_._._._]

@@Hamann9631 Did he stutter? Catholic Theology and Mormon Theology comparison was requested. You: Another missionary moment! 😄

[@Hamann9631]

@@veronica_._._._ I gave a source of information about both religions. I didn't recommend a thing which had nothing to do with the subject.

[@adamhovey407]

Hey Y'all, have you read the Book "Inside Mormonism", by Isaiah Bennett? It was kind of hard for me to find, but I have a copy of it. It's very good. I've gone through it a couple times, and I love how well sourced it is.

[@JimmyAkin]

Thanks! Actually, I was the editor of that book, and I wrote parts of it.

[@JimmyAkin]

@Teddygalbis It's not currently in print, but used copies are available on Amazon, here: amzn.to/2l7iNhc

[@Anonymousduck161]

@@JimmyAkin Just bought the book. I can’t wait.

[@suem6004]

No, I read primary sources like the Book of Mormon and live the faith. Interview me.

[@suem6004]

@@JimmyAkin Why don't you ever interview actual practicing members? Alonso Gaskill co authored a book Catholic and Mormon: a dialog. Dr Gaskill is a devout LDS member and professor. He did his MA at Notre Dame.

[@uncatila]

Hey Jimmy why is it the Mormons have a more Catholic movie about St Joan of Arc than we do?

[@claymcdermott718]

Ingrid Bergman’s movie was pretty Catholic. There’s a Mormon one?

[@suem6004]

Because LDS love TRUTH and do not do hatchet smear jobs like Jimmy does. LDS are not so afraid to portray other religions accurately. Catholics must alway resort to slander and smear otherwise their own faith is shaky.

[@suem6004]

Because we LDS are not religious bigots unlike Catholics

[@darrenh8111]

Jimmy akin I think your being very soft on Joseph Smith

[@erin6083]

Our personal feelings are so easily changeable. As a woman I can tell you mine can change many times a day and as quickly as lightning! Lol Personal “feeling” seems like a very bad method for choosing a religion as the foundation for your entire life, and your family’s lives, if you have a spouse and children, and to risk your eternal soul upon. Best have multiple reasons for your choice of faith, some including objective facts, evidence, logic, etc. as well as the subjective pulling of your heart.

[@brucegillingham2793]

Exactly what the Bible or the word of God warns us about

[@suem6004]

The Holy Ghost is the truth teller. I know as a Catholic you are not taught how to pray snd receive answers but happily LDS were taught. And the Holy Spirit cannot lie or mislead.

[@brucegillingham2793]

@@suem6004 Who you calling Catholic?

[@suem6004]

@@brucegillingham2793 Jimmy Akins since you do not know is a CATHOLIC APOLOGIST. Look up those words if you do not understand

[@brucegillingham2793]

@@suem6004 How do you know your interacting with the Holy Spirit? The Bible provides us with plenty of warnings that Mormons outright ignore.

[@ellobo4211]

Can you also tell the story of the Wizard clip..great ghost story

[@JimmyAkin]

The Wizard clip is on the list for future shows!

[@ellobo4211]

@@JimmyAkin ah great minds think alike..pax at bonum

[@maolsheachlannoceallaigh4772]

Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World is giving me Catholic guilt. It is released on Fridays, which is a day of penance, but I enjoy it enormously. I guess Friday doesn't have to be all penance.

[@adamhovey407]

@@bidavadag True! I remember reading something once about "joyful fasting".

[@suem6004]

Too bad you are a sucker for sloppy slander. Oh how wonderful... a liar and a cheat too chicken to actually debate real LDS

[@cabarete2003]

Martin Harris went to Anton for proof to feel better about backing JS. Whatever Anton said in that meeting made Harris feel very comfortable with backing Smith's efforts financially. And Harris INDEED did back Smith. So, Anton's explanation seems a bit weak to me. If Anton had told Harris it was bunk, do you think Harris would have financially backed Smith? You have left out a bit from the missing 116 pages. Harris bugged Smith several times to take the transcripts to show his wife. Harris was given strict instructions and he violated those rules. He was supposed to show the transcripts to particular people (his wife), but he had other people over. The pages went missing from Harris' home. He went distraught to Smith's house in a terrible state.He told Smith he had torn his house apart looking for the pages. Smith was admonished severely by the Lord as he was told 2 times NOT to allow Harris to take the pages. It wasn't until the 3rd time that the Lord gave permission. Smith lost his power to translate for a time and describes feeling like he had lost his soul. He finally received the revelation regarding the pages. I don't know how the 116 pages serve to prove or disprove the Book of Mormon. I can't think of a reason to go through the exercise of telling the 116 story for Smith if it wasn't true. Your point about being able to point out any edits to the document are valid and would require some deeper investigation. But, 2 points. 1. this was not a word for word translation in the way we translate documents. Smith did not know the language he was reading. He did develop that over time, but not for most of the translation. 2. We are told it was done by "the power of God." And Smith was translating based on his capabilities of language. it is very likely that some of his translations of the 116 texts would have been worded differently. I speak Spanish and Portuguese. When I translate, I often will think of a few different ways to translate a phrase. You don't think detractors would not have pounced on this? And, as I mentioned, I see no benefit from going through this exercise and falsifying a revelation about it. A revelation that isn't particularly extraordinary in its content (.i.e. baptism for the dead, temple worship, structure of the church). And a revelation that, quite frankly, makes Smith look bad. Why do you look to other sources for the witnesses, when the witnesses made thought-out unanimous declarations to what they saw? William Smith was described as being "unstable." And to clarify, the 3 witnesses state, "[a]nd we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man." By the power of God not of man. They never said they saw with their physical eyes. It was a very spiritual experience for the 3. Moreso than for the 8. Nevertheless, all of their declarations are very explicit. No sense of trickery going on there. Reformed Egyptian--you do not appear to keep up with findings in the Middle East or in North America. There are records of Egyptians being used in the Holy Land in the time of Lehi. There have been scripts that seemingly correspond to demotic script (I believe it was demotic, I might be wrong about the text). I'd look that up if I were you. Archeology--First of all, as Paul taught several times, we do not know God through empirical evidence but by faith and confirmation from the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 2). With that said, look up the findings of Nahom and Ismael in the Arabian peninsula. How about the area believed to be Bountiful in the Arabian peninsula? And how can you say there is NO evidence of Book of Mormon peoples in the Americas? You should take a look at what has been found. Also, keep in mind that there is much that has not been explored. Lidar has just now discovered vast civilizations. There have been new DNA discoveries of a new haplogroup information. You do not bring up the reactions of the first peoples' reaction to Europeans. Waiting for white beaded God from the East who said he'd return. Take a look at The Great White God of Ancient America -- BOM Lands Conference 2014 -- Scott Hoyt about Peru. Consider Wayne May's research. MesoAmerican researchch. And all the debunked criticisms. Hebraisms in the Book of Mormon. Look the channel Latter-day Saints’ Q&A Evidences of the Book of Mormon. Don't turn a blind eye to this. And finally, READ the book and ask God. God won't lead you astray. Witnesses: either you do not know the whole account or you are being disingenuous. Seek the quotes from the 3 witnesses. They did NOT claim their experience was mere vision. They saw an angel, they saw the plates. They all said it was a real experience. Martin Harris stated, "Gentlemen, do you see that hand? Are you sure you see it? Are your eyes playing a trick or something? No. Well, as sure as you see my hand so sure did I see the angel and the plates." He also said "Young man, do you see that sun shining through that window? Just so sure as that sun shines and gives us light by day, and the moon and stars give us light by night, just so sure I know the Book of Mormon is true. For I saw the angel, I heard the voice, I saw and handled the plates upon which the Book of Mormon was written; and by the power and influence of the Holy Ghost, the translation was made by the Prophet Joseph Smith, whom I know by the power and gift of the Holy Ghost, was a true Prophet of God." To their dying days, none of the witnesses denied what they saw, even though many left the church. William Whitmer was not a stable man. You better do some research on that before you claim him as a stable source.

[@user-nr6sr9vc9f]

One of the most troubling was when Joseph proclaimed a World War and I didn’t happen.

[@suem6004]

Hmmm and where is the Third secret of fatima pray tell?

[@free2beme123]

Wow this all sounds nuts.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

it is

[@yancy3987]

who is angel moroni pls...

[@JimmyAkin]

Moroni is an angel that Joseph Smith reported receiving revelations from. He also was reportedly a former human mentioned in the book of Mormon.

[@AngelaMoses123]

Who teaches s man not to pray? We should Always pray for confirmation of anything significant!

[@adamhovey407]

We should pray always. But the thing is, is that the Book of Mormon doesn't give Mormon theology, it gives Christian sounding modalist theology

[@deusimperator]

One does not pray that that the box named rat poison is not rat poison and spread it on you sandwich. There is truth that can be descended - one of those is that MORmONism is one of the most objectively false religions. No need to pray about it.

[@suem6004]

@@adamhovey407 Can you cite chapter and verse from the Book of Mormon?

[@suem6004]

@@adamhovey407 Still waiting for chapter and verse of modalism. Need more time? See, actually, the Trinity is modalism. Three headed one body pagan monster is the Trinity. LDS is rational, reasonable and truthful according to God himself who appeared beside Jesus in a theophany and pointed to his right and said, "Here is my beloved Son, hear him". Hm... So are you calling God a liar? Again, cite chapter and verse in the Book of Mormon for your wild accusations.

[@francescogorbechov4192]

Do an episode on Mormon beliefs. Like how they believe they will become a God and have their own planet

[@Hamann9631]

Francesco Gorbechov. Do you want Jimmy to do an episode on our actual beliefs or decietful misrepresentations? We don't get our "own planet".

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 Yes you do... Was not "heavenly father" aka Ahmen a man before he became your deity... how did this occur??? What about that council of g-ds??? Where did those g-ds come from? or was Joey Smith and Breed'em Young using the colonic extraction method?

[@deusimperator]

True...

[@Hamann9631]

@@deusimperator We will understand this more clearly later. For now Father in Heaven reveals what is needed to us. The gods in the council of the gods could have been us because we were there and His children. You need to focus your attention on following our only God which is Father in Heaven through His Son.

[@francescogorbechov4192]

@@Hamann9631 “As man now is, God once was, and as God now is, man may be.” -Brigham Young. That sounds like you’ll be getting a planet to me

[@lindsayhickman9604]

Would love if you did a Jehovah Witness episode.

[@EvanGrambas]

Terrific discussion. Thank you gentlemen.

[@williamstrumfels3305]

the gullibility of the human race

[@4evaavfc]

Joseph Scam.

[@StanleyDaniels-eb9hd]

Like

[@annakimborahpa]

So Moses saw the burning bush and Mormons feel the burning bosom? Quoting Disco Inferno: "Burn, baby, burn!"

[@suem6004]

Catholics deny the Pentecost. Lots of 'burn baby burn' there too. Got it. You are not Christian if you deny the Holy Spirit. In fact denying the Holy Spirit as you do is an unforgivable sin. Good luck with that

[@suem6004]

Called Pentecost. Read the bible. Anti Holy Ghost as you are is unpardonable sin

[@annakimborahpa]

Job 42:6 (KJV): "Wherefore, I abhor myself and repent in dust and ashes."

[@suem6004]

@@annakimborahpa Do you accept the Holy Spirit as truth teller? Comforter? That is what LDS believe.

[@annakimborahpa]

Well, if the King James Bible was good enough for Joseph Smith, then that's good enough for me.

[@Hamann9631]

28:30. Also, the Isaiah chapters are in The Book of Mormon because the people who left Jerusalem 600BC took the scriptures. Isaiah predated them so his writings were in collections of scriptures. They quoted from Isaiah and told us they were doing that because Nephi loved Isaiah. Abinadi used Isaiah 53 because he had it and it contained the truths he was sharing with his audience.

[@suem6004]

Amen. Love 2 Nephi. Am rereading right now.

[@suem6004]

Remember, this illiterate crowd will not open the Book of Mormon to study on their own. Even Akins lies to them and they lap it up. He has no clue about LDS theology. Could not name the first article of faith. Nor one verse from the Book of Mormon.

[@Johnalucard-jo3yi]

I I've close to Palmyra new york.the home of this silly cult.

[@suem6004]

Catholicism is the original cult. There was never any c section Mary born. Never any flying nun Mary traveling through the sky. No crushed bones of dead people to work magic. No smells and bells that were anything but Cultic. Not even the three headed one body pagan monster they call the trinity is not anything but a cult.

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Based nullifiers.

[@ellobo4211]

I'm Basque so this is one you would like from my home en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_witch_trials

[@madamvaudelune3298]

Yeah we had something like that in Salem USA.

[@stephenkaake7016]

I begged God and was trained to be a Holy person, I know what Joseph went through, as I was given a greater mind that helps me

[@zon3665]

There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.

[@PInk77W1]

They skipped 1900yrs

[@suem6004]

@@PInk77W1 Your brain skipped 1900 years

[@deitrichhenderson2078]

Bahahaha that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Yeah the garden of Eden was in Missouri and Joe Smith talked to Jesus. That's insane, only stupid gullible people could possibly believe that

[@rayocaballo6122]

Bull shit

[@suem6004]

Cool. Of course, such intellectual discussions go beyond the smells and bells crowds

[@ClarkPrice-xc1ul]

It was mentioned that there is no real evidence for the book of Mormon, which is archaeological, but that is not true. It was also mentioned that there is no internal evidence for the shorthand Egyptian, which is mentioned in the book of Mormon but that is not true either although I do appreciate the effort that these people have gone to try to be fair to the book of Mormon and Joseph Smith in many ways, which is the only fair assessment that I have heard or read from opponents of them but they don’t know about these evidences due to lack of research, or More, perhaps, willful ignorance, but most likely the former, because it seems that they have done a fair amount of research getting back to the archaeological, and I might add geographical evidence for the book of Mormon is the valley of or wadi. AL TAYIB AL ASIM in Northeast Saudi Arabia. According to the book of mormon the Hebrew family of Lehi Camp in this valley for a number of days it had a freshwater river running through it. The place was located about three days journey by Camel south of the gulf of Aqaba, according to Lehi. However, according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica and other publications, there is no or no freshwater river running through this area but because of geological exploration made in the 1990s it was discovered that there was such a valley and such a river at this place, hidden from view by 2000 foot high sandstone cliffs, and that river flows into the red sea as the book of Mormon describes only people who had actually been there could have known of its whereabouts, and it was LEHI’S family that recorded in their records, the existence of this place secondly, the place called NAHO M in Northeast Yemen was not known about in America at the time of the ation of the book of Mormon and it’s publication, but was later discovered about 100 years later, and it is exactly in the right location according to the book of Mormon to be the point at which the caravan changes its direction of travel and goes due east, instead of south to a place in the Republic of Oman, which is a remarkable rainforest in otherwise dry and barren desert. This place was not known about either until it was discovered by geological exploration back in the 1990s this place was called bountiful by the Hebrew family of LEHI The book of Mormon record states that that is why the people named it bountiful, because it was a paradise compared to the barren country that they had travel through for several years. this place also was not known about in the 1830s in America. Yeah Joseph Smith wrote all about it in his translation of the ancient record of the family of LEHI mentioned in the book of Mormon is known to exist at that place and what today is called SALALA. OMAN. The book of Mormon, specifically names, wild fruit, wild honey, iron ORE large trees, mountains, wild game a virtual paradise for this wandering family that had been in exile in the desert from Jerusalem. This family stayed there for a length of time probably two or three years while they built a large ship, and stocked it with meat and fruit for their long voyage, to the promised land that the Lord said he was guiding them to these natural resources still exist at this place, but no one knew about it for over 100 years after the book of Mormon was already published. Now it is known that such a place exists there, because of the WINDS coming off the coast of Somalia, carry a large amount moisture from the sea, and because of the high mountains on the southern coast of Arabia at that place the moisture has held from going any further and large rain clouds buildup, unless there is a virtual rainforest in the middle of the desert just as the book of Mormon described the book of Mormon also stated that bountiful was located straight east of NAHOM many hundreds of miles away, just as the book of Mormon states how did Joseph Smith know where these places were and what they were like even to the very coordinates of the compass Joseph Smith stated that the book of Mormon was very correct in its information. The ancient prophets, who had written the record contained in the book of Mormon, state that what they had written was true and accurate to the best of their ability, and they were the ones that had passed through Arabian desert on this long and treacherous journey to the promised land, which we now know was America. All this history took place nearly 600 years before Christ Now it is known by scientific exploration, where these places are, that are mentioned in the book of Mormon, and they are geographically accurate. But as stated before these places were not known about in America in 1830 when Joseph Smith was translating the plates. Also, gold plates were not known about an 1830 it was not known that Hebrews kept records on plates of gold much later the first scientific discovery of gold plates with hieroglyphic writing wasn’t made until in the 1880s, and since then many sets of gold plates with ancient recordson them have been found in different parts of the Middle East and other places the question may be fairly asked how did a 17-year-old farm boy in 1820s KNOW, that the ancient Semitic people kept records on plates of gold. It had not been discovered at that time yet Joseph Smith described perfectly how they did it the size of the plates how they protected them in stone boxes, which is since been discovered also, he was not making that story up, because it has been proven by scientific research that that method of recordkeeping did exist at that time in the history of the world there are many more evidences of the antiquity, the accuracy, the authenticity and truthfulness of the book of Mormon, within the book itself just to mention one is chiasmus there are many large, complicated, masterfully written examples of chiasmus. Throughout the book of Mormon. This method was not understood at the time of Joseph Smith, how did he write such beautifully composed pieces of Semitic literature, in the book of Mormon, by himself, with no education in that style of Semitic writing. ? To say that Joseph Smith was a fraud, and that there is no solid evidence for the truthfulness of the book of Mormon, is too completely ignore the compelling evidence Of geographic archaeological and linguistic scientific investigation

[@IG88AAA]

I appreciate your post, but can I recommend paragraph breaks. Your post is hard to read.

[@ClarkPrice-xc1ul]

Sorry for my riding style. I actually don’t know how to type on my phone, so I just talk into the microphone and don’t know how to do all the punctuation and separations and so forth. Fast enough to keep up with my train of thought so I kind of rushed through it all. I do apologize for that. I will try to handle it better and do better in the future. Thanks for your comment.

[@ghostjager8190]

Apply Deuteronomy to Jospeh Smith. There was no great battle with millions dead in NA, there was no steel, horses, various animal types.. before they came with the first explorers to the continent. Ancient Manuscripts do not exist for mormonism, in addition J.S wrote himself into the bible

[@mbnl01]

Mr. Akin, I did listen to this episode of your podcast with some degree of curiousity about your methodology and approach to the topoi involved as well as about the person of Teenager Joseph Smith who claims to have seen God the Father Himself. That epistemological and ontological claim that Smith made is the basis of EVERYTHING else in his contrived religion, it seems to me. My preferred strategy of confuting the youths relevance to Christianity would be to contrast his fantastic claim to a supernatural apparition of the Godhead to the claims made in the NT Gospels of Canonical Scripture, the Bible, by Christ Jesus about God the Father. Isnt there a relationship of exclusivity which is suggested in the Gospels by Jesus such that the claim by Joseph Smith an 18 yrs old boy, seems to be outrageously overinterpreted and exagerrated? The type of Fish Tale told by the immature and ignorant? Looked at another way, what connection to anything historically Christian is Joseph Smith? The interesting question is How Did A particular religious sect with a undeniable similarity to Freemasonry become so wealthy and spread worldwide?

[@veronica_._._._]

Sufism: the original template for all hive minds.

[@suem6004]

So, Only NT theophany is authentic. That eliminates all post testament theophanies including ALL CATHOLIC SAINTS. I suppose we could start there. Oh, you think Catholics did see post resurrection Jesus and the Father? Hm... makes it problematic for you sound like a teenager yourself: only MY team can see Jesus... YOUR team cannot. Luckily 14 (not 18) year old Joseph never took you seriously which is why GOD chose him. See, GOD can do his own work. Does not need a council, or a magisterium or even dumb commenters' approval to do what needs to get done. See, Jesus did Resurrect... maybe news to you. That means, HE LIVES. As Joseph Smith later wrote: And this is the final testimony that we give of HIM. That He LIVES. That should be Christianity... I know it is LDS core doctrine. Something Catholics have abandoned long ago. Catholics do not believe in the literal resurrection, do not believe in theophanies, do not believe in the 'real presence of Jesus in the eucharist', do not believe in any of authentic Christian core doctrine anymore. Rather prefer being an NGO rather than a church. So, that is how we LDS clearly can put you out of your misery. For we actually LIVE the gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@veronica_._._._]

@@suem6004 You, the laity, are human shields for your Elders, yours is an inner and outer circle cultic set up , like the Yazdis the Druze the Mandeans, the Ismailis, long before the last minute LDS... yawn .....your Refried All American gnosticism is anything but unique, and you personally literally have no clue what goes on in those temples .... just waiting for your own medium sized planet l suppose, and leading a very over - controlled sheltered life. Travelling 2 by 2 spying all the while, on each other!

[@suem6004]

Methodology is slander and ignorance. Like me spreading my lies about Catholicism believing in magic potions and bones as cures. Smith is no different than any Catholic mystic claiming a theophany. In fact, his is more verifiable than any medieval monk. I mean flying monks? Come on. Wearing the foreskin of Jesus? Yuck!

[@suem6004]

Since when did Jesus claim historicity proved he was the Son of God? In fact, the Pharisees kept pressing Jesus on how what he taught jived with the LAW? Catholics are pharisees demanding intellectualism while promoting smells and bells in their religion.

[@mnmmnm925]

37:45, 1:02:44

[@manorama12]

Also do podcasts on all d Marian apparitions.

[@Hamann9631]

23:00. Not a bad answer. That is more about how we encourage people to learn for themselves. The Holy Ghost does teach us all things. There is a more tangible evidence. The Book of Mormon is the evidence. It is beyond the intellectual and educational capacities of Joseph Smith. It has complexity and beauty. It has a coherent story and unique teachings which aren't copies from some other source.

[@suem6004]

True

[@marcuscaballarius2159]

Absurd. This is the same argument Muslims use to defend their false prophet. Follow Christ, not man-made religions that followed.

[@suem6004]

@@marcuscaballarius2159 No. your argument is about false prophet Martin Luther who changed all Christian teachings, bible..

[@marcuscaballarius2159]

@@suem6004 No, my prophet is Jesus Christ, which is why I belong to the Catholic Church. I do not subscribe to heretical sects.

[@suem6004]

@@marcuscaballarius2159 Your prophet is Pope Francis who is single handedly secularizing the teachings and liturgy. I feel for you. Luckily, the LDS is sticking to the truth of Christ's gospel and not cowering to the lavender mafia. Good luck to you. You are welcome to visit our church, to read the bounty of the 830 more pages of scripture, the sacred ordinances, strong families, true to the commandments. I think you would be surprised at how rich the doctrine is and how many opportunities for sanctification.

[@donna-marie1936]

JST aka Joseph smith translation. Therefore he did rewrite the bible, sorry. PS watch saints unscripted here on youtube

[@jlewis8145]

There is a Joseph Smith translation. Unfortunately it is so false that not even Latter day Saints use it. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” (John 1:1). So, how did Joseph Smith handle such a clear and precise verse? He rendered it as: “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the Word. And the Word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God,” (John 1:1, Joseph Smith Translation). Even the later teachings of Joseph Smith contradicted the Book of Mormon. We know now that he was suffering from serious mental health issues all of his life. Such a sad story.

[@donna-marie1936]

@@jlewis8145 i understand I was just pointing out that on Saints unscripted here on KZbin it's talked about and according to them highly regarded

[@deusimperator]

@@donna-marie1936 Those guys spin and spin stories... I can look at a single episode and show where they either lie or hide the truth or gloss over it. When I challenged them, they banned me from the channel

[@suem6004]

@@jlewis8145 haha Since it was GOD who inspired logic and reason to the text which wonky translators removed and inserted Greek pagan philosophy. Let's see the other verses after what you wrote...give people the context and not merely a hatchet job you provided. John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." Hm.... that is the same. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made." Hm... again the same John 1:4 "In him was the gospel, and the gospel was the life, and the life was the light of men;" So, Gospel was inserted for Word.... for the 'word' was indeed the gospel. John 1:5 And the light shine the in the world, and world perceived it not." John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." John 1:7 "The same came into the world for a witness, to bear witness to the light, to bear record of the gospel through the Son, unto all, that through him all men might believe." John 1:8 "He was not that light, but came to bear witness of that light." Still hanging in there? John 1:9 "Which was the true light, which light etc every man who cometh into the world;" John 1:10 "Even the Son of God. He who was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." Hm... Seems like Jesus Christ IS indeed whom Joseph Smith was referring to. Still discussing the bigger plan "the gospel" that God the Father had with his Son, Jesus Christ. There is a major story arc you fail to grasp... That things were not mere happenstance from the creation, through the OT and the Abrahamic covenant...through the teaching,death and resurrection of Christ.... and now? What, did all that stop? Haha You think God is dead? That he still is not active in this world? That the story or 'gospel' goes on? Ever read Book of Revelation? Jesus is alive. He is still bringing things full circle... It ain't over til HE says it's over. Not because a magisterium pronounced 1500 years ago that God would never commune with, work his plan, gather all the peoples of the world.... Sorry if you feel Jesus is a dead statue: an idol. But for LDS.... Jesus is alive and well. Still directs his church today but he will only deal with the teachable, the humble, those who will listen. To them who accept more light and truth will receive more. Those who say "A Bible, A Bible... we have no more need of more words of Christ" will be left with the paltry, confusing, incomplete scriptures of 2000 years ago. So, you may mock but in the last day let's see who is mocked.... True followers or 'going thru the motion' lukewarm people.

[@jlewis8145]

@@suem6004 With all due respect, Latter day Saints worship a fictional Christ. The following obscene and vile blasphemies should shock and appall you. The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129). Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8; Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15). Brigham Young even said that Christ practiced polygamy, fathered children and was even crucified for practicing polygamy. We know that blasphemers do not get into heaven. The real Jesus Christ claimed to be God in the flesh. Christ was crucified because he claimed to be God. It was called blasphemy and punishable by death. Christ was not crucified because he was walking around claiming to be a created being the brother of Satan. That's not blasphemy and certainly not punishable by death. There is no evidence that the 'brother of Lucifer' ever died on a cross, so you have not atonement and your sins will not be forgiven.

[@user-cv5fy8jk1g]

False prophet.

[@Hamann9631]

36:50. That quote from Martin Harris is from a liar. He many more times said he saw them because he did. Joseph Smith's family's experiences were conflated here. When Joseph was translating and new to having the plates his family hefted the box and had a cloth in the way. Later, they handled the uncovered plates.

[@suem6004]

Oh, don't get facts interfere with their slander. Not fair!

[@mrmeach1967]

22:42 The power of the Holy Goat 🐐, eh? Ask the Holy Goat first and then it will be confirmed by the Holy Ghost. That’s how you get the “burning in the bosom.”

[@adamhovey407]

I think it might have been an editing issue, remember Dom and Jimmy are both on opposite sides of the United States

[@LostArchivist]

I thought it was just my ears hearing wrong there.

[@eroniousable]

Thanks for putting this together and trying to be fair. I often look for outside opinions and insights on this Church. I will always defend the Prophet, Joseph. Much of what is told about him even from our own church 'scholars' is incorrect. They've done a lot of damage. He did not use a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon, it was the Urim and Thummin, always. I love scripture and stick to those sources over philosophies. Also in his 'war' prophesy it does say 'wars' plural I think that's significant. Thanks again. God is great.

[@HIMYMTR]

You should worship God who is not one immortal being among many, but being itself, the one and only God, creator of the universe.

[@suem6004]

@@HIMYMTR We do... God the Father, Jesus Christ his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, and the Holy Ghost.

[@HIMYMTR]

@@suem6004 But who is Jesus ? And in what manner is he the Son of God, and who is the Holy spirit, are they separate beings? Are they Aliens and superhumans that live on other planets ? It is essential to have the correct understanding of the three Holy persons of the Trinity. As Christians " We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial to the father Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen"

[@suem6004]

@@HIMYMTR We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. 2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression. 3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. 4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. 5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. 6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. 7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. 8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. 9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. 10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory. 11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. 12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

[@suem6004]

Great. See, the Mr Akins coward away from your criticism. Catholics are cowards. They love to slander and do shotty research to pretend they know all but really they know less than our 4 year olds.

[@jackmartin9702]

The arguments about archealogical evidence are woefully out of date. In particular, two sites have been located in the Arabian peninsula that are mentioned in the Book of Mormon. The first is a burial site that was unknown until a few decades ago in which a stone inscription was found that has a name, Nahum, that the book identifies as pertaining to that location. The other site is a lush, verdant location along the coast that the book identifies by the name Bountiful. This area is so at odds with the popular perception of Arabia as an arid, sandy, barren ract that even today, some people claim it doesn't exist. This presentation was very even handed as regards Joseph Smith's history, and I enjoyed that part. However, when the presenters began talking about evidences, they went off tthe track and simply rehashed tired arguments that were refuted long ago. Latter-day Saints believe in the faith as delivered by Jesus Christ, whereas the presenters believe in the faith as delivered by theologians, particularly St. Augustine.

[@twoody9760]

There is a lack of archeological evidence for much of what Mormonism teaches, but nice try.

[@ErinAbou]

That is absolutely nonsense, what Catholics and other Christians who accept the Bible as Word of God get it from the earliest available sources. Not Augustine but the authors of Scripture.

[@suem6004]

@@ErinAbou Augustine gave everyone the doctrine of original sin and that babies go to hell.

[@suem6004]

I agree. Another shotty hit piece. Centuries out of date. Really, dude, he calls himself an apologist but is not current on anything? The Grand Inquisitor explains the catholics. How if they would burn Jesus alive if he showed up again.

[@Hamann9631]

33:15. If your hard drive crashes or your house burns down, there won't be an altered manuscript created as a trap.

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

He addressed this later in the video

[@suem6004]

Weird. Atkins slanders yet thinks he is righteous in lying to the world?

[@Hamann9631]

@@carsonianthegreat4672 I do not remember his explanation and I listened to the whole video. What was his explanation?

[@manorama12]

Plz do a podcast on exorcism of anneliese michel

[@alexanderv1620]

Dr. Taylor Marshall covered this topic a few weeks ago on his channel. I encourage you to check it out.

[@Hamann9631]

40:50. That was an inaccurate statement. There are ruins of ancient civilizations all over the western hemisphere. No matter which of those are believed to be The Book of Mormon people, they have been found.

[@suem6004]

Keep it up. Indeed there were many other groups... including those that predate the migration across the Bering Strait.

[@Hebrew42Day]

Former Mormon here, then agnostic, then searcher, then Christian now w Hebrew. Please test the new testament, by Deut 13:1-9 and Deut 18:20-22 Please don't assume, because it's in the Catholic Bible that it's true.

[@richardholmes5676]

Hebrew helps one to see the Book of Mormon is indeed true.

[@vincentterraneo263]

Jimmy wrote an entire book on the development of the Bible and biblical cannon

[@richardholmes5676]

@Athanasius Why was I sent your anti-Mormon crap?

[@marcuscaballarius2159]

@@richardholmes5676 Reality is anti-Mormon. You're following the delusions of a con man.

[@richardholmes5676]

@@marcuscaballarius2159 How is reality anti-Mormon?

[@pomegranate6221]

Okay halfway through I can't believe how sincere they're trying to sound like this is normal..

[@suem6004]

I know.... Jesus showing up to 'other sheep which are not of this fold'.... utterly ridiculous! Jesus would never reach out to any others or recall covenants or let them hear the gospel.... pure fantasy! I mean, come on... that would mean Jesus is like divine or something.

[@pomegranate6221]

@@suem6004 sorry dear ... but, beloved savior Jesus 💞 is not satan brother, you'll never have your own planet! And you do not have to earn your way into heaven, Jesus love is freely given.

[@suem6004]

@@pomegranate6221 I agree as well as LDS doctrine agrees. You must have been surfing the internet again. Prove to me your claims by citing chapter and verse in the Book of Mormon this alleged myth comes from.

[@pomegranate6221]

@@suem6004 Well dear, to try and pretend this isn't in the beliefs and doctrines is disingenuous.. you seem very sweet and sincere.. so, I don't have a Mormon Bible or books, I had borrowed them from the library....I will go to the library tomorrow and get the books. And follow up on this reply tomorrow.. but, I will leave you with this... God warned us to not add or take away one thing from His ancient Holy scriptures...

[@suem6004]

@@pomegranate6221 Great. But they Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants are available online too. LDS gospel library. The Bible, and our scriptures are all available. With footnotes, topical guide, cross reference between the sacred texts. God did warn not to add 'man made' things to the text but he never ever said that he would never talk again or talk with other groups on the planet. He is God of the universe after all and knows all people around the globe. Of course, when Jesus was alive, there was no bible. In fact, no text whatsoever. And Deuteronomy repeats the same admonition to not add anymore text beyond the Torah. But does that mean you reject the New Testament like the Pharisees did? Or was 'adding' to the Bible fine in that case?

[@Hamann9631]

36:15. Because of Joseph Smith's poverty, hoax plates are extremely improbable.

[@jackmartin9702]

It was Martin Harris (I think) who said, after hefting the plates and noting their weight, that he knew Smith didn't have enough money to buy so much lead.

[@Hamann9631]

I have an idea for a public discussion. It would require a Roman Catholic who is interested in understanding other religions. The discussion would by my proposed format start off with each side accurately teaching the other side's claims about origins of the religions. I understand Roman Catholicism well enough to accurately portray Roman Catholic beliefs about how we get from the New Testament church to Roman Catholicism. Is there a Roman Catholic who understand the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about who we believe we get from The New Testament church to Jesus Christ's church now? Let's talk.

[@suem6004]

I would love to talk to you on my podcast. I am very very familiar with Catholicsm too. I think that Akins cheap tactics of slander are so sophomoric. Really, he cannot name one article of faith? One verse from the Book of Mormon? Then you are illiterate and best and slanderous at worst. Let's be in touch.

[@steventhomasson557]

Dr. Nibley (also a BYU guy) puts forth the idea-- in the picture-- it really is Abraham sitting on Pharoah's throne and all the characters are really who Joseph Smith said they were; But they are putting on a play and are dressed up as actors representing who they look like... So you and President Smith are both right....Also YHVH (The LORD) our Elohim (Gods) is one Elohim (Gods).... I believe Joseph speaks for God; I know he speaks for me.....Thank you for your fair presentation...

[@deitrichhenderson2078]

Bahahaha

[@rms-vp6hf]

Facts…Same people criticizing the Book of Mormon, or the Quran and its Hadiths want you to reject the Bible for dogmas and “magisterium”

[@Hamann9631]

47:00. To avoid going into detail. You are claiming one symbol only ever has one meaning. That isn't true. According you low detialed drawings can only be of one person. That means you are claiming the first person drawn is the only person ever drawn. You disproved yourselves. We have very little of the papyrus Joseph Smith had

[@Hamann9631]

40:40. THere are many Hebrew inscriptions in North America. That isn't all of us. In ancient North America there used to be earth mounds shaped in uniquely Hebrew ways, such as a menorah and oil lamp. A dam created in the 1930 TVA projects flooded an Egyptian sacred site. The Hopewell fortifications are a perfect match to the fortifications in The Book of Mormon. The people who don't believe the Hill Cumorah in New York is THE Hill Cumorah beleive the Meso American hypothesis. It is true we don't have certaintly about places in The Book of Mormon. That is less important than the evidences which do match and more importantly the Holy Ghost's witness.

[@suem6004]

Yes, and even protestant archeologists are finding Levantine DNA in South American skulls. So, there.

[@cmotherofpirl]

Go watch Mormon Podcasts :)

[@Hamann9631]

1:03:40. Praying to God is showing faith in God. It is trusting in God. The praying which shouldn't be done is to false gods (even if those false gods are former righteous people like Mary and the prophets and apostles).

[@suem6004]

Touché...... No praying to false so called deities such as Mary

[@Hamann9631]

1:02:00. The feelings from the Holy Ghost aren't subjective. They are the way those hearing the Apostles in Act 2 knew the Apostles taught the truth.

[@suem6004]

True. Catholics deny the Pentecost. Denying the Holy Spirit is unpardonable sin

[@Hamann9631]

@@suem6004 Other places in the scriptures the Lord clarified "denying the Holy Ghost" means knowing God (something like a face to face experience) then turning against Him. Maybe all Roman Catholics can't do that because they have not had step 1 happen to them.

[@suem6004]

@@Hamann9631 Catholics are incredibly biblically illiterate. Adkins is the same. Scoffing that the Holy Ghost is the truth bearer.

[@Fred-mp1vf]

❤ Mormon was the ancient prophet who abridged the records known as The Book of Mormon - Another Testament of Jesus Christ. It was never the name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which the prophet Joseph Smith was called and ordained of God to restore upon the earth. I have received an undeniable witness from the Holy Ghost that he is a true prophet of God, and that The Book of Mormon is true.

[@suem6004]

Amen. Thanks for your testimony.

[@AngelaMoses123]

You may not be aware but the word "Mormon" is derogatory and the prefered name is members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

[@13Ucube]

Tell that to Russell M, because the website still hasn't changed. Also, the hyphen is derogatory. The book OF members OF the church OF Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is also not on my copy. Now that Russell sends the faithful home 2 hours earlier, there's more time to reprint an updated compendium and website. In the celestial temple, how many gods are married to your husband?

[@alannahmay3823]

I'm sticking to Mormon, and so are many other people.

[@rodneymarc9636]

@@alannahmay3823 almost 0 biblical evidence. Most verses used to substantiate mormonism are taken out of context.

[@adamhovey407]

Mormon . Org is owned by the LDS church

[@adamhovey407]

@@alannahmay3823 it's not derogatory. They used to come to my house when I lived in Illinois, and they introduced themselves as Mormons. You know what is derogatory? Calling a Latin Catholic "Roman Catholic", there is no Roman Catholic Church, there is a Catholic Church made up of 24 different churches in communion with the pope of Rome. Not a single one of them calls themselves Roman Catholic. You can check Church documents if you don't believe me, actual Church documents not ones about how you feel. Since I know your leaders keep referring to my people as Roman Catholics, I'm not going to stop saying Mormon.

[@deusimperator]

HEy Aiken, what about Joey Jr. claiming that the papyri for the book of Abraham being writing in Reformed Egyptian??? Was it? So, that is very good evidence that Joey Jr. was talking crap

[@Hamann9631]

deusimperator. Thanks fo rshowing me there is no good logic against Jesus Christ, His church, and His prophets. The papyrus were from Egypt and written in Egyptian. I feel sorry for you who goes through life thinking Egyptian isn't spoken or written in Egypt. Where is it used? Reformed Egyptian is the language of The Book of Mormon. Only a fool would call it crazy for people to use the language of a nation which bordered there own. It would be crazy to claim a nation which had trusted in a certain other nation to not get influenced at all by the nation in which they had trusted. Such people if they were honest would 1,000 years later call there writing reformed _________(nation next to their nation).

[@deusimperator]

@@Hamann9631 silly dunce, we are not talking about EGYPTIAN you halfwitten windbag... I said REFORMED EGYPTIAN you blithering charlatan and fraud. No one ever heard of REFORMED EGYPTIAN. Those scrolls were written in EGYPTIAN and they can be easily read today.... they have NOTHING TO DO WITH ABRAHAM dumbass. The language used by the Hebrew people was HEBREW... and at the time was used, using the Phonecian script... and the script used was NOTHING LIKE THAT FOUND IN THE SCROLLS.

[@Hamann9631]

41:40. "A big absense of confirming data one would expect." That statement would make sense if The Book of Mormon took place where there are no ancient ruins. Actually, we do see metallurgy among the Hopewell. We do see do see Moroni's fortifications. Another thing we could expect is hated and conquered people to be eliminated, including their history. We find that. Lamanites who hated Nephites and Jesus Christ didn't make memorials to their hated foes. They didn't pass on stories of hated people to their children.

[@suem6004]

Indeed. There are plenty of peoples on the 'isles of the seas' who have disappeared off the planet. I love in 2 Nephi 29: 7 where Jesus lectures the A Bible A Bible crowd.... "Know ye not that there are more nations than one?" Haha

[@madamvaudelune3298]

What you don't see are the markers of Hebrew culture. They were sophisticated builders of temples and places. They also left inscriptions in HEBREW, scrolls, SOPHISTICATED metallurgy, they built schools and graineries, wine and oil presses...did they come here and forget agriculture? The native American cultures, in Peru and Central America have their own cultural markers. They had no round arches and they did not temper their gold, it remained brittle. The Hebrew knew of more than one nation, but there is no evidence of Hebrew influence in pre,- Columbian America.

[@Hamann9631]

@@madamvaudelune3298 There are many examples of Hebrew writing found in North America. Thank you for proving you have not looked into The Book of Mormon claims. The Lamanites hated Nephites and destroyed them. Many buildings would not survive such an event.

[@madamvaudelune3298]

@@Hamann9631 If that is so, surely you could provide a few EXAMPLES of ancient Hebrew writing in the Americas? After all, isn't it your missionary duty to educate and evangelize? Because the Maya definitely had written language and kept scrupulous records of dynastic succession and astronomical tables. And we are only now beginning to decipher some of their more obscure writings. Actually, it is he who makes the claim who has the burden of proof. So please, by all means, provide examples that have been validated by archeology. I have never looked into such claims, you are correct. So please, DO provide your evidence. I have no idea what the laminates claim but ancient Mesoamerica was constantly at war and evidence abounds.

[@Hamann9631]

@@madamvaudelune3298 Bat Creek carving, many engravings in Michigan found by farmers, and earth works in the shape of a Hebrew lamps, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aF6zoqifpc2Dp6c&pp=ygU1d2F5bmUgbWF5IGJvb2sgb2YgbW9ybW9uIGFyY2hhZW9sb2d5IGluIG5vcnRoIGFtZXJpY2E%3D. There there are arrow heads all over the Midwest USA. There would be more , but the Lamanites hated the Nephites. Haters of groups destroy every thing when they conquer. And this new religion was hated so people did not try to preserve anything which would validated the "Mormons". God has given you enough proof for you to accept the truth and follow Jesus Christ.

[@46GarageUSA]

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[@Hamann9631]

15:30. We don't waste time talking about how the translation was done. Joseph never said any more than by the gift and power of God.

[@Hamann9631]

@Vincent Verona Blind faith would mean never reading it. Blind faith would mean never seeing what archeological evidence was there. There is archeological evidence of people in South, Central, and North America. One strike against blind faith. Joseph Smith did it without manuscripts or asking his scribes to tell him where he left off, according to people who became disaffected from him. Another strike against blind faith. The Book of Mormon has Hebrew things about which a poor farm boy who didn't like to read wouldn't know. Another strike against blind faith. The Book of Mormon has a complexity which couldn't come from Joseph Smith's mind. Another strike against blind faith.

[@suem6004]

@Vincent Verona Like the secrets of Fatima...

[@Hamann9631]

57:15. Your refusing to accept the Fatherhood of God doesn't prove that historic christianity had it right. Joseph Smith learned about God from the same source as Peter, Paul, Moses, etc. Thus Joseph Smith is taught the same gospel.

[@suem6004]

Joseph Smith had a Theophany. Seeing God the Father standing beside Jesus Christ with the former saying "This is my beloved Son, hear him" pretty much blows up the man made trinity. The trinity is so similar to the pagan three headed one body dog Cerberus. Something the pagan converts to grasp onto.