Joseph Smith's First Vision Accounts Explained! Come, Follow Me: Joseph Smith History

[@timothyhudson7999]

"Don't lose your testimony of the things you know, because of a few things that you don't know." -Tad R. Calister

[@krismurphy7711]

We KNOW The 1832 First Vision is radically changed compared to ALL later Versions.

[@CobbleCreekLane]

​@@krismurphy7711it seems you did not watch the video.

[@timmiestabrnak]

But you don’t know things that were just claimed by a notorious conman. Joseph even contradicted himself over and over on the first vision. And completely changed his theology & thus altered the Book of Mormon as well from 1830 to 1837. It’s all an abusive con, Joseph and all the rest.

[@timmiestabrnak]

@krismurphy7711 Indeed, he even changed the theology in the book of Mormon to match his later versions of the first vision. Because the 1930 book of Mormon matched his modalist theology that he had in 1830. By 1837 he had abandoned modalism so he changed the book of Mormon to take modalism out of the Book of Mormon. Joseph changed a lot of different, theological matters over the years to suit whatever narrative he had at any given point in time.

[@ChasingHopeVlog]

Thank you! I have needed this video to send to my husband. He is not a member of the church and I have been trying to get him to understand more about the Book of Mormon. I want him to come unto his faith on his own so I share these kind of videos.

[@WillowONeal-fc2db]

And I pray by the holy Ghost , he finds truth.

[@deltanfilms7598]

Thanks for sharing! This is exactly why we wanted to make these videos.

[@timmiestabrnak]

Did you tell him about the conflicting accounts of the first vision? How they involved with Joseph’s changing, evolving, contradicting theology? Did you tell him about how Joseph was a convicted con man? Did you tell your husband how Joseph Smith and your other presidents married children? Or how your current president worked with Republicans to avoid protecting LDS kids, how he worked with them to hide church knowledge of abuse from law-enforcement?

[@timmiestabrnak]

Tell him about how Joseph Smith bragged about doing more than Jesus for holding a church together. Which is crazy enough that anyone would brag about being above Jesus and doing more than Jesus, but Joseph Smith also famously did not hold a church together, people left him while he was still alive and he did not lay out clearly how the church was to proceeded after he died, and the church split Into many different factions actions.

[@godsoffspring4195]

@@timmiestabrnak Joseph was referring to the number of actual followers Jesus had while He had walked on the earth. Jesus didn't have too many. Smith was not bragging to be ABOVE Jesus Christ... he was bragging BECAUSE of Jesus Christ. Please try and keep the story straight. K??

[@sydneybond8793]

Oh, thank you for this. I have had a testimony of the First Vision since I was introduced to the Church 50 years ago. I love that you have explained his various accounts. Thanks, I love the fact that God and Jesus Christ came to Joseph Smith so personally yet has affected me. It has sunk deep in my heart.

[@norts28]

I really enjoy anything Casey is apart of. And when you add Steven Harper to the mix you get a power message.

[@reniewilliams5646]

I am looking forward to learning more about the settings and background of the Doctrine and Covenants through these videos this year. So grateful for all these study materials.

[@1god2674]

what's the church say a"vision" or "actual event"

[@ruthjamieson4072]

These episodes are my absolute favorite! They're just so wonderful!! Thank you, thank you!!

[@isaiah-4310]

Pure Fairytale’s

[@zebiraross]

As a convert I've happily shared my conversion story numerous times on my mission and throughout my life. I've never told my story the same way. That would be fake and not organic. When you share a story, there is always going to be space for different versions of the story unless you are a robot.

[@jordanwebb5794]

You also haven’t claimed to see God and Christ…If you did would you fail to tell people that you SAW GOD and JESUS every time you tell the story??? I would have a hard time forgetting that detail to anyone. Differences in story slight variations sure, but not the most important details of the event unless it was made up right? Learning this was devastating to me I couldn’t do the mental gymnastics to get around it…

[@zebiraross]

@jordanwebb5794 I look at Jesus and Heavenly Father as one. Like the Savior asks us to in the scriptures. In this sense mentioning God or Jesus is the same as reference to them both. It's not mental gymnastics, it's just following what the scriptures teach. John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

[@SilverOilman]

I loved this. The moment I first heard the argument about the different retellings of the vision, I immediately knew it didn’t matter. I’ve told stories to numerous people of the same event and the pace, words, intensity, etc.

[@munciehansen]

Hello Casey! My daughter and I met you at the John Johnson house last spring when you were filming these church history videos. Wonderful video. I’m so excited for these history insights this year!

[@deltanfilms7598]

Thanks for your kind words! Meeting people at the sites has been one of the most meaningful parts of making these videos.

[@1god2674]

why the L D.S. Corp. Church so fascinated with death?

[@josephwhirlwind6086]

I testify , being one of millions of members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints across the world ( me in the Netherlands ), that the first vision REALLY happened and that it is True , that God the Father and His son Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith, and that he ( Joseph Smith ) is the Prophet of the restoration of Christ’s Church here on the Earth , in Jesus name , Amen !!!

[@timmiestabrnak]

Which one? The different stories, Joseph told, contradict. Joseph changed the stories and altered the Book of Mormon over time to suit his power& thoughts. He didn’t meet nor serve God.

[@gwenafaasen7696]

​@@timmiestabrnakAre you willing to change your perspective or just want to dig in and see what you need to see to fit your narrative? If you read his journals, you will find him for yourself. I feel like he is a friend. I misunderstood him once as well. The most powerful question you can ask is Maybe?

[@LatterDayWoman]

Wonderful episode - answered all the questions I have had sitting on my shelf. Thank you.

[@lizycole8999]

Honestly, I'm stoked that there are multiple accounts of the first vision because each account adds more details and insights.

[@TLSingleton1962]

Exactly!

[@timmiestabrnak]

They don’t add more detail what they have is conflicting details, showing the fact that Joseph Smith, Overtime, changed the narrative of what he claimed happened To match his involving theology. And just like those conflict, the various different scriptures that he wrote Conflict.

[@Whatiftheresmore1314]

Your videos are so filled with light and truth. Thank you! ❤️☀️

[@Jan-wd1is]

I love the First Vision stories, all of them and am so glad he recorded them! It and the witnesses of the Book of Mormon are why I joined the Church I had been looking for! Thank you for these explanations!

[@ticabaum]

I love these videos. Thank you for all these precious details and sources of information. I love finding things out on my own as well. Very helpful. Thank you

[@EdilySi]

Thanks for all you and all who are involved do. It's been a while since I've listened to the Church History Matters Podcast because life gets busy, but I want to say this channel and that podcast open my mind and strengthen my own testimony. So enjoyable and enlightening to watch and listen too. Thank you!

[@kellymcdonald1895]

Thank you Casey I know that the story the account is unbelievable but yet I believe it! If someone does exactly what James chapter 1 verse 5 indicates, then there is a specific promise and God does not break his promises and if there is anyone that had real intent over all these years, it was Brother Joseph; he was absolutely expecting an answer when he went into that Grove, it is a fascinating story!

[@isaiah-4310]

God also gave you a brain , look at Joseph’s real history ( not the whitewashed version ) then move on to Brigham young , Did you know who legalized slavery in the state of Utah ? Bet you’ll never guess !

[@1god2674]

does the L.D.S. church say "the first vision" was a "vision" or actual reality

[@TheHappyNarwhals]

Visions are real-

[@isaiah-4310]

@@kellymcdonald1895 It’s a fairytale , with just a bit of independent study outside of the propaganda you’ll find it’s pure fairytale

[@1god-126]

In a religious context I've seen and see The word vision most often refers to a dream or a sort of daydream Perhaps though that's less important than the fact that most Abraham religions that I've seen They are death cults A fake version of god their "version" of a "GOD" of animal and human sacrifice

[@barbarad.517]

I’m a convert who investigated the church for 20 years before finally being baptized. While my testimony is consistent, the process took a long time. When I bear my testimony in church or to people I’m interacting with, the facts are the same but I choose to emphasize certain segments based on circumstances and audience. So I see no problem or “inconsistencies” in the First Vision.

[@timmiestabrnak]

The different versions of Joseph Smith’s first vision are completely inconsistent, he changes his entire theology on God. And in line with him changing his narrative of the first vision, changing his theology, he also changed what he put in the book of Mormon from 1830 to 1837.

[@cecirobe7752]

Absolutely fantastic… context, time, research…. Well done! 👍

[@TheShodan92]

Jojo was good at telling tall tales. No surprise there were multiple accounts. Growing up in the church we were only told about 1. In those days multiple others would've been antiMormon lies. Today the antiMormon lies are church essays, constant changeing goalposts and gaslighting apologetics. Tbms will swallow it so long as it feels nice, whether its factual or not.

[@ildenete3235]

Muito obrigado por compartilhar seu testemunho do profeta Joseph Smith e da primeira visão defendendo a verdade restaurada. Deus abençoe você.

[@RunShootSki]

Excited to learn more about church history and the D&C this year

[@1god-126]

vision 🤔 does the church say "vision" or "actual event" what's the claim Although all words should have I think one definition maybe except for the word free The word vision has multiple meanings Most often in religion Vision is the equivalent of a dream A sort of daydream

[@jabblesowen4583]

Hi, I started to be concerned about different accounts because the scriptures were translated accurately on a first pass. At the conclusion of the video, I understand how these accounts can differ. Thank you!

[@RB376-h7x]

Wonderful insight. I will quibble with Mr Harper at 17:48 description. Joseph did not have a “persecution complex” as the term is frequently used today. He and the saints were simply being persecuted.

[@dr33776]

What about the danites driving former members out and threatening their lives? What about the attempted assassination of Missouri’s governor?

[@hayleybell_author]

@@RB376-h7x agreed.

[@denisplouffe514]

Excellent explanation of the important historical accounts by the prophet Joseph of profound spiritual principles for all of God’s children. 🙏🇨🇦

[@1god-126]

Does the church claimed it was a "vision" or actual event I have seen and see is the word vision in religion most often refers to a dream or a sort of daydream

[@richarner3856]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mantalkwithbrycebauer670]

In the court of law, witnesses gain credibility when their story is consistent and they lose credibility when their story changes. This is especially true with major details such as how many people were present during the event. Why would we not use the same method here? I think it’s because people’s lives and identity hinge on this event taking place. As an outsider, the logic is very unconvincing.

[@reneestewart7977]

I am very grateful for Joseph, his wife Emma and his family., and for the friends who stood by him through all of the persecution. Each version of The First Vision was true, just emphasizing certain things in each. He was called to be God's Prophet of the latter days. It's hard to imagine how difficult things were, and how much he was given to accomplish and to be obedient to God's commands. It shows how well the Lord knew him and how He knew the time was right for the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ through Joseph, His instrument in bringing it forth to the world. Thank you for this video and testimony.

[@isaiah-4310]

I guess according to you Jesus lied !

[@richarner3856]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dinocollins720]

Another fantastic video! Thank you!

[@TheGreaterU]

Excellent presentation thank you

[@lucaoro192]

Great video!

[@herbofallon965]

There's a video on KZbin that tells the story of two men---both of them top in their respective fields---that didn't even know each other. Both of them sought separately to unlock the exact day our Heavenly Father and the Savior personally appeared to 14-year-old Joseph Smith. One of the two men was an expert in calendars. The other man was a NASA scientist. Working separately, both men came up with the same date: March 26, 1820. One of the things the men came up with (through research) was that March 26 was the only day in that cluster of days that was a sunny, fairly warm day. The video is very interesting and worth watching. I understand Church leaders don't put an exact date on the First Vision. The material presented in the video is interesting and viable.

[@juliogaviola6350]

Excellent explanation. Inspired work. Thanks.

[@MsJet1]

As a person grows in years and mentality, they use different phrasing and descriptions in relating memories. If the wording and description never changed it would be scripted. He always testified of the truth.

[@lauranewman564]

❤❤Casey, the only thing I didn't like about this video with these insights is that it ended. A bit too soon for me. Thanks so much!

[@oliverclemens6164]

Joseph knew, that a prophet can only be called by God himself. It would have made his life much easier, when he would have just told another simple story about how he was called. Many other religious founders of his time just told those stories like: I read the Bible and the Holy Spirit told me to do so and so. I like the way Daniel received a similar vision in Daniel 10 in the old testament. It has so many similarities with how Joseph received his revelation. You don't have to believe his story, but Daniel's vision shows that this kind of vision has happened before. Maybe not God himself but through a heavenly person like an angel received Daniel his vision! I love his account!

[@_SeeIt]

When the dude says " We can choose to be hostile or trusting towards joseph... that tells more about us than the documents.... " bro, many people have accounts of things happening that we are not believing of and even hostile towards. Does that say the same thing about us if we questioned those stories the same way as if we questioned Joseph? And then making a comparison of different gospels vs the accounts of one person, joseph smith. These are weak arguments to support joseph. But the strong argument is how memory and recounting stories work. That is an obvious phenomenon with myself and nearly everyone I know, especially over time and in different situations when recounting.

[@Thehaystack7999]

Wonderful thank you for your work on this great prophet.

[@isaiah-4310]

lol, you’ve obviously never really looked at his history ! Furthest thing from a man of God , More like a man after everybody’s wives !

[@Thehaystack7999]

@ I know more about my religion than you do, stop attempting to tear at other’s faith. I hope you are prepared to be judged in the very same manner you judge others.

[@isaiah-4310]

@ I doubt it ! Do you have six or seven generations before you ?

[@isaiah-4310]

@ Sit back and read my messages and learn something

[@isaiah-4310]

@ LOL, You judged me in your opening comment.

[@mariacandela7185]

I want to ad to this explanation that in some way Joseph Smith at his first vision was not able to describe it in exact way he experience it, 1 - several things happened at the same time. The human language is LINEAL. also, the kind of vocabulary he had at that moment with the emotions generated by the vision, it would not allow him to process it appropriately.3 - It is very difficult to describe an event which happened in different realm that he lives in and needed to explain or describe. The first vision is a great documented theophany that we are aware of during modern times. It is not surprise for me he made 3 different accounts, especially when we can consider Joseph’s advanced language acquisition through his life ( translation of the BOM, the Bible, studies of Hebrew, revelations etc). and interacting with his family and the community . He must have an amazing progress on his language skills. I am Speech Therapist and I am able to comprehend his 3 different accounts. None of us were born with the same language we have as adults,

[@deltanfilms7598]

Well said! Language fails to capture something as profound as the First Vision. The accounts are really meant to introduce us to our own search for God.

[@isaiah-4310]

If he had 100 accounts you would still vouch for him .

[@1god-126]

I have noticed that in religion the word vision most often refers to a dream or a sort of daydream What is the claim being made

[@WgB5]

In order to understand Smith's confusion about which church to trust it is important to look at church publications from that time period. The churches were absolutely vehement towards each other. There was sheer hatred of anyone who believed even a few notions differently then the approved doctrines of said churches.. Look up the news prints of that time period and prepare to get your ears singed. By today's standards the "great revivals" of that time would be deeply insulting, and divisive. When radicals like Smith popped up they were hated even more.

[@1god-126]

In this indeterminate expression of view there is no assertion of determination -- what do you actually trying to say if anything at all

[@sbladbyu]

Well done.

[@danieldunbar2956]

Great video!

[@jordan-xe2yb]

I love the accounts.

[@freesparrowsomeday]

Let’s share every vision the people of his day had. They are all amazingly similar. Crazy how there isn’t one contemporary account in a journal or letter or newspaper or meeting minutes that he had this vision until 12 years later. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Kimmer]

Can you provide evidence of these similar accounts or are we supposed to just take your word for it? So, everything you claim that happened during your teenage years didn't really happen because you didn't write it down then and it wasn't published in the newspaper? Your arguments are nonsensical. Did any of these "similar" accounts have follow up experiences where a book like the Book of Mormon was produced? You are grasping at straws in an attempt to support your preconceived false narratives!

[@tonyjames1953]

I have written a great deal of my personal accounts in life and no two are ever the same, not even close. Your mind takes hold of different aspects of your experiences and the setting in which you write has a great deal to do with recall and emphasis. It has long been an element of historical veracity that accounts of the same event written exactly alike are very suspect. Hence the reasonable belief in the differing Gospels in the NT. Had they been exactly the same, though written by different authors, written at different times, and in any of a multitude of settings, no experienced historian would believe such accounts. It is not how the mind works amidst the changing fortunes of life.

[@paulblack1799]

Martin Luther left 3 or 4 accounts of his inspiration to challenge the Catholic practices of his time and they vary widely. He only mentions the role of the Holy Spirit in the last one. Yet I find them believable. This is simply how memory works.

[@hpagalla]

Thank you

[@TheTauveveSuafoaFilmReview]

So which is the truth story.

[@1god-126]

Ever notice with religions the word vision tends to most often refer to a dream or a sort of daydream There's no distinction offered in this video or explanation of the word vision hmmm 🤔

[@TLSingleton1962]

I've recorded my testimony in my journals from time to time. Are there differences? Yep. So what? I stand by my words.

[@debraroser985]

Excellent

[@GarySaint-xm6tr]

While in England, Wilford Woodruff was attacked by Satan, like Joseph was attacked prior to the first vision. Joseph Smith does not include the attack by Satan in all 9f his accounts of the first vision, but I know it happened, because a similar attack happened to me when I was in my early 20s. I could not move, I could not speak, many voices from devils were assaulting my brain. It took all my effort, and prayer to deliver me from this assult by Satan. I have yet experienced fully why Satan came after me so hard, but I believe I will know in the not too distant future.

[@Charity_never_Faileth]

You should be aware that image your repeatedly promoting as Joseph isn’t him and I am more than a little concerned how you are pretending it is a fact.

[@mimcreative8070]

well presented with wording to appear these are facts but its still guessing why there is 4 very different accounts and should have that disclaimer. truth is truth. even if its hard to swallow. trust is built upon full transparency not partial truths and broken with hiding even small lies with misinformation.

[@Dadeeo]

@@mimcreative8070 The point that was made here is that these are not partial truths but different accounts. And another point I’d like to make is that faith is trust in God. It does not depend upon research or debate or skepticism.

[@isaiah-4310]

@@DadeeoGod said in Thessalonians , Test all things hold fast to what is good ! God gave you a brain , Galatians 1:6-9 warns you about other gospels . Read it and learn something.

[@matteach2]

The 1832 account differs more than just the one personage only mentioned. I use it as a template for why a church is bad. Joseph called the others hypocrites and said thet don't follow the NT Church, I found this out through studying the Bible, and now I can start my own Church. It sounds like an evangelical testimony.

[@Dadeeo]

@ Oh ye of little faith!

[@isaiah-4310]

@ The whole 1832 account is fabricated

[@krismurphy7711]

"context" does not explain the MAJOR changes to The Story over time. More and more and more Hollywood Elements ADDED!!!

[@andrewreed4216]

Very good video. Now it's just needs to be taught in church, or you're not going to help many.

[@Waterboyofsuperman]

I view the video as a supplement as the church has published and communicated a fair amount about multiple accounts of the First Vision.

[@bradarnold7316]

Why did he wait 12 years to say anything about seeing the Lord and then ultimately change his story to seeing God and Jesus? I mean no disrespect but that’s an astounding detail to leave out…. I’m so confused!!! Can someone legit help me understand this?

[@neilsharp4989]

So all those accepting this as an explanation of why there are multiple versions told by the same person and why the church historian, a prophet, lied and hid it for decades, ask yourself, would you accept a revisionist history explanation from a different religion similar to this? If this answer, which is NO, then you aren’t looking for truth, you are looking for a way to explain away discrepancies because you want to, not because it actually makes sense.

[@jacoblewis2961]

Which account of the first vision. There are multiple...

[@jake8882]

I find it disappointing how members of the church have to attempt to give episodes like this validity. The opinion of why there are so many different accounts as if Joseph Smiths vision is still only the one the church uses as the official account is problematic. Joseph Smith was witnessed by so many people attempting to always con or trick people. It was a survival technique imo. God gave him a gift to be a great storyteller. This is the exact reason for this episode. He con'd people into making videos attempting to build him up and protect him.

[@laneprice6649]

This really is hard to believe Sounds like magic Logically there is no grounds to stand on here There’s no way of knowing if this is true There’s not one single evidence that supports it Why do we need more than the gospel of Jesus Christ? He died on the cross for us Is that not sufficient? I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ is that we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ and loving others I think it also says anyone who adds to or takes away from this gospel will be. What’s the word acursed

[@scripturecentralofficial]

Try reading the Book of Mormon and see how much it focuses us on Christ and his gospel

[@stellaellstella2915]

Please ditch the music, i cant concentrate on what youre saying.

[@1god-126]

Is it difficult to also to have a conversation with somebody in a car with the music playing in the background or at home Many Church videos have music playing in the background all the time Most every TV show DJ's on the radio There's lots of noise just in the world how do you survive

[@gwengold8154]

​@@1god-126 the holy spirit speaks in a still, small voice. Yes, it can be very hard to hear it when you have unnecessary background music playing.

[@redbaroniii]

Sorry, as a Christian I can't accept such visions either from Smith, or Muhammad.

[@scripturecentralofficial]

Many prophets in the Bible have had visions. Try reading the Book of Mormon to test out if he was a true prophet.

[@redbaroniii]

@@scripturecentralofficial Thank you for a great question. I was raised in a small town in Utah. We were the only Gentile in the town and were treated horribly. The bishop sent three boys to either get me baptized, or teach me a lesson. They did as they were told. I have suffered broken bones rather than turn my back on Jesus. I know you guys. In fact, l know more about LDS than most LDS.

[@kylekelson8533]

Gaslighting 101.

[@dl1130]

I'm still not buying it. Sounds pretty fishy. Leaving out pertinent information doesn't help either. Sorry. I don't mean to be critical of your efforts. God bless in coming to the truth.

[@richardbrumbaugh6481]

Purd comedy gold.

[@peterorth2149]

The first written one. Yeah. Hes gonna leave out detail. He'll make it different to the embellished one years later. Lol.

[@taddjenkins9090]

Wow! The way that I see it, is the first vision is just like any fish story. The farther you get away from the original event the bigger th fish gets! It’s sad that Joseph was such a con man. So sad that so many believe him even though we all know it didn’t happen!

[@seagrunter01]

Hey brother, please don't feel sad for me as a believer of the restored gospel. It is fine for you to feel sad for the believers. But if you are going to troll, do it well, this statement makes you sound like a semi-literate simpleton.

[@taddjenkins9090]

@@seagrunter01I only feel sad for those that continue to pay tithing to the corporation. But hey, if you want to believe such things I would invite you to read Harry Potter! I’m sure you will find more truth in those books that you will in the Book of Mormon.

[@marcosummers7404]

Do LDS know that the leaders teach that the God they worship had another God before him. This is TOTALLY CONTRADICTORY TO SCRIPTURE

[@1god-126]

That's sort of the same as saying do Christians know the Bible talks about Moses or Abraham Did you know the Bible is the work of scribes

[@johnferredino5111]

First Vision NEVER HAPPENED! Just a decoration for the church!

[@Justanobody-11]

@@johnferredino5111 haters gunna hate

[@ineedoff1]

And there you have it! You are correct It either happened or it didn’t I love that premise Having spent years looking at the evidence both for and against As well as appealing to God in my personal life. I’m extremely comfortable with my conclusion that it did in fact happen 🙏 Life has not been the same since I first came into contact with the First Vision .

[@lancejones5983]

Prove it didn’t.

[@RolandUdensi]

@@johnferredino5111 you can't prove it didn't happen. But there are evidences that it did happen. So who should I believe? you without evidence excepts your words or the church with evidences that seem really genuine.

[@godsoffspring4195]

C'mon everybody, John was there... he should know!! 😏