Josh Pate On Nick Saban Blowing Up College Football (Late Kick Cut)

Nick Saban is in the midst of a historic run at Alabama with another College Football Playoff and National Title appearance in the books, and on Late Kick Live Ep 252 Josh Pate discussed the warnings Saban has issued to the College Football world over the years and how the sport decided to react. After initial public confidence the Transfer Portal would even out the talent pool it turns out Nick Saban's warning about the "rich getting richer" could be coming true after all. Will Alabama continue to leverage the Portal to boost the roster? Ditto with NIL. How might the current issues College Football is facing trace back to Nick Saban's arrival at Alabama and the panic that set in for many shortly thereafter? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@bonafideg2709]

Josh offers the most insight and best commentary on college football, anywhere.

[@markdaniel8740]

Saban has the ability to help the players become the best that they can be. It also helps that the players are surrounded by the best in the country. A DB practices against the best qb/ receiver in the country all week so Saturday is like a day off. Except Nick won't let them cruise.

[@kriptdawg9398]

NIL will play a big part as to why the sport goes down in flames.

[@robertd9850]

College football ended with NIL. It is now minor league professional football. Only in year two so not yet well defined but it is professional football now.

[@seminolefantodd4736]

No doubt Saban is the GOAT and sets the standard for all of college football. People crying about his success are just jealous he's not coaching their team.

[@crimsonkings205]

Bingo.

[@calnoble4651]

Agree. Go noles!

[@pbcfisher3206]

As a lifelong 49 year old Bama and College football fan.. I say on behalf sooo many.. Thank you !! Roll Tide ! Go Noles !

[@phillupondz]

Why is saban crying over NIL collective?

[@ke-wayLA6060]

@@phillupondz Why do you not have pic on your profile. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Find that reason....and you will have your answer. 🤦🏽‍♂️ FOH

[@tomgreen1721]

The credit is also needed to Hal Moore who was bamas AD who just gave the keys to Saban and just let him do what's he does best

[@fortheloveoftheburn6031]

Josh said maybe the best of all time. He is the best of all time. GOAT

[@joshuapaulgibson]

Without a shadow of a doubt, the most dominant 15 year run(and counting) in sports history. Period. It’ll never be done again. As a Bama fan, I’ve been blessed and I don’t take a second of it for granted. Roll Tide!

[@Rob9mm]

Never say never.

[@brettbryant9020]

Saban tried to warn everybody what would happen and he was right. Now he’s the bad guy for taking advantage of what everybody else WANTED

[@fredwright5954]

he was doing it before it was legal, sunshine. now hes mad everyone does it. i love it

[@SweetHomeBama24]

What did coach say when he asked is this what you want the game to be? "Aiiiiight!"

[@freshtendrills5969]

In 2007, the talk was that a dynasty was impossible in the modern game. Too much parity, too much wide spread talent. LSU won the BCS that year with two losses. USC had fallen off. You couldn't do it anymore.

[@theknightswhosay]

I didn’t hear anyone say transfer portal was going to knock Bama down to size.

[@obsidian00]

NOW that the players are getting paid out in the open and not in back rooms…it’s a problem!

[@bryandorsett5710]

He's built the best offense, to go along with, this year's Best Defense. This very well could be his most indestructible team,yet!

[@MeCanik79]

We thought last year's D would be much better than they actually were. I'm not talking individuals, but the overall D. Personally, I'm glad Jobe is out of there. I'm not at all surprised that he wasn't drafted. He got a free agent deal, but wasn't drafted. I expect the secondary to be better this season. And when this season is over, I really believe the front 7 will have put themselves in the discussion for all-time great. Anderson, Turner, Braswell, Kennedy, Alexander, etc.....God willing they stay healthy, this pass rush will be insane. We should lead the nation in sacks and there should be a significant gap between #1 and #2 in that category.

[@mattgarr57]

This team should be as good as the Mack Jones team or better. They are LOADED.

[@MeCanik79]

@@mattgarr57 Completely agree

[@jasonzittel5107]

Saban said that he was a hostage of Alabama college

[@billnolte8644]

Saban has been warning us every time the next gimmick is tried that it isn't going to work and you should really think twice before putting this in. He did this for expanding the playoff, he did it for he transfer portal, and the NIL stuff. He tried to say pump the brakes and think about this, because we will be fine. Nobody listened. Well some did, but we were ridiculed. If college football listened more to Saban, instead of trying futilely to trick him, it would be sooooo much better off.

[@rpick7546]

Yes, it's Saban's 'fault', in that most of these don't happen, at least to the extent they have, without Saban. But, it's NOT his responsibility, and it's damn sure not his responsibility to fix it.

[@detectif1061]

like these crybaby fans say, just make the playoffs 200 teams it’ll solve everything.

[@to-yr7gn]

Why is Bama in a decline?? Lets see. Losing to an 8/4 team that didn’t even have the guts to play Wake Forest, struggling and coming within a hair of losing to a terrible AU team that UGA destroyed, looking like crap for much of the season, not beating out A&M in recruiting - letting a upstart BUY the best class ( UGA shares in this too), not being prepared for injuries - not having much needed depth or good players ready to step up when needed, having an unprepared QB who panicked when everything was on the line, your HC telling Kirby that he really kicked Bamas arse only to whine 5 minutes later about injuries being the reason Bama lost and not his poor preparation and coaching. Add to all this the fact that Nick is 70 and slowing down while Kirby is in his mid 40s and has already created an elite program. Thrown in a spoiled entitled fan base who refuses to accept a loss to a rival. The “we wuz injured crap” doesn’t cut it. Everyone saw UGA manhandle Bama in the fourth quarter. And it’s ironic that no one mentions the fact that Bamas ONE TD came after UGAs controversial fumble near the goal line. All the rest were field goals. UGA had better defense and better offense and proved that a walk-on QB can outperform a Heisman “winner”. Bama might as well face it, their best days are behind them. I could go on as I have other Bama deficiencies I could gladly list but my fingers are getting tired from all this typing. Bama is no longer top dog. Y’all will still win the West but that is where it will end each year. No more SECs or playoff invitations. Bamas brand has gotten tired and old while Georgia is just getting started. 33-18 to you! Nitey nite!

[@tidefanyankee2428]

@@to-yr7gn "Bama's best days are behind them" Do you know how many times I've heard that? Yep, the Tide didn't win the NC this last year. But they are in the hunt just about every year. UGA was gutted by graduation and the NFL draft. Let's see what they do this year. I don't make excuses, the Dawgs won, because (from my view) they wanted it more. We'll see what happens this year. It's one thing to have a great season, LSU did that when Burrows was there. Tell me, what happened the year after? I heard/read all the same things from the LSU faithful after they won the NC. History has a habit of repeating itself. Consistency is key, and Saban has proven, year after years he has that with the Tide. Now don't change your post. I'm going to give this video a thumb's up and save this thread so we can revisit this at the end of the upcoming season. Let's see if Kirby who was one of the best assistants Saban ever had can replicate what Coach Nick Saban has done in his time at Bama.

[@to-yr7gn]

@@tidefanyankee2428 33-18

[@tidefanyankee2428]

@@to-yr7gn Yep and I say congrats......enjoy it. But don't live in the past. Nick Saban doesn't, which is why his teams are pretty much always in the hunt for a NC. Few teams can say that, year in, year out. Everyone starts the season 0-0, no matter how good or bad they did last season. There is no "defending" anything. It's not a boxing or UFC belt. Again, everyone starts the season 0-0. So, be proud of your Dawgs, they had and awesome season....LAST season. 2022 has yet to be played.

[@BigA7982]

With the amount of wild receivers, Alabama keeps getting I think Nick Saban will start to run a air raid RPO style offense

[@gumby7919]

TAMU record recruiting class was NIL crime for sure.

[@renetrevino5550]

Do you have proof of this?

[@tidefanyankee2428]

All the other coaches in the NCAA have to deal with the same things Coach Saban does.....Saban just deals with them better. Everyone has 24 hours in their day, no exceptions....Coach Saban just does more with those 24 hours than pretty much anyone else. Coach Saban warned about the portal, and the NIL, but he's utilized them better than just about anyone else. Coach Saban wanted players to get a stipend, but that got shot down....now there is the NIL and his players are making BANK because of it. NOW, the NCAA wants to step in and un-ring that bell because the NIL is getting out of hand in some people's opinion. Well, Coach Saban warned the powers that be about all of this. Now, he's using it, within the rules others have set down, but he's doing that, better than just about anyone else. Here's the bottom line. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" and Coach Nick Saban plays this game pretty much better than anyone else....and he's done it consistently. So, Dawg fans, enjoy that NC, just like the LSU fans enjoyed theirs. Roll Tide Baby.......

[@devn266]

He didn’t do anything all the changes they’ve made Saban has been against, and when they do it anyway, he proves why they should’ve kept it the same. Aka the transfer portal.

[@dominiqueeverett5856]

Roll Tide

[@alwaysbelieveinalabama5524]

Great video roll tide.

[@AAblade7]

That’s a bit of revisionist history. Here is what I remember. Saban struggled putting a NFL level offense on the field. Also I remember him having trouble managing pro player egos. Saban had control of all football operations. 2006 failed draft? Saban. Trading a solid backup QB who lead Miami to a 9-7 record for a well established Bust? Saban. Saban failed at Miami. Face the facts. He’s a legendary coach, but he failed in the NFL.

[@tidefanyankee2428]

Saban wanted a guy by the name of Drew Brees but he got overruled by the front office in Miami. Saban's brand of coaching doesn't translate well to the NFL. When a player knows he's going to get Millions whether he plays or not he's not going to listen to the coaches. He can just go free agent with some other team in subsequent seasons. In college, Saban knows he's got their attention. Those high school players know Saban can get them to the next level so they listen, or they leave. The players who have a chance at playing stay. The ones who see the handwriting on the wall and know they will be terminal practice team players leave. And then Coach Saban replaces them with some other 4 or 5 star.

[@chrisnipper8573]

Wow! Since 2007 in the S.E.C. West there have been more Head Coaches than there have been Alabama Losses!

[@seminoldschool7032]

I think that when Saban finally decided to retire CFB should create a new governing organization & Nick should be commissioner. He’s the best at all things college football sooo if ANYONE can fix this sport & keep it running smoothly…it is him.

[@Phox532]

I get nick saban is good coach, but damn the amount of worship here is great.

[@eliyawahamashi8310]

Saban couldn't cut it in the NFL

[@jerrysullivan7223]

Florida s down fall came because of not going after a top name coach when urban bowed out it was to hard for him but the AD didn't do his job in hiring a known top name coach and Fla paid the price for the AD NOT GOING AFTER THE BEST COACH .iN THE COUNTRY .

[@Ultra-BLV]

14 years of dominance and y’all still think Saban is scared of his dominance faltering and not warning the rest of the sport that he can further elongate Alabama’s dominance if things stay as they are.

[@kevinbond8966]

If it keeps going this way the best 16 teams not from the sec will form a conference to rival the sec.

[@aguynamedguy309]

@@kevinbond8966 no they won't. Let's just use this as an example of one division Clemson Ohio state Michigan Oregon Oklahoma State USC Washington Iowa This conference would cannibalize itself to where they would be no threat to teams like Alabama and Georgia. The SEC isn't full of 16 amazing football programs.

[@kevinbond8966]

@@aguynamedguy309 maybe youre right but if this continues the non sec teams have to try something to keep up.

[@aguynamedguy309]

@@kevinbond8966 Clemson has done a pretty good job keeping up

[@kevinbond8966]

@@aguynamedguy309 same with osu and to a lesser extent Oregon and notre dame.

[@FurlogTheGiant]

College football is teetering

[@UncleRicoOSU]

Josh’s weekly Saban worship segment

[@ke-wayLA6060]

Stop hating because your lame azz team isn't on this level. Enjoy your mediocrity!

[@laserprop]

one day in the 1870's, some Yale students took a ball outside. Fifteen minutes later, there were academic violations and athletics scandals.

[@wlm2618]

Just more Big Ten whining. Hard to figure out what to do now the sportswriters and coaches do not get to crown the nations best team each year. But they sure as heck still try along with the Notre Dame followers.

[@trueauburnchampion1322]

Since ur too young probably JP. How about address how Auburn under Chizik was shut down for recruiting trips to high schools in stretched humvees yet a year or two later it's ok for Saban to fly a helicopter for early recruiting visits to high schools?? The NCAA said Auburn was causing too much commotion yet Saban had the entire high schools here in Columbus, GA at Kinnett stadium actually 3 highschools to watch Saban land on the football field with no other event at like 12 in the afternoon. Like Jimbo said, the hypocrisy is unreal. Tell truth JP. And if u don't know u better look it up or ask somebody.

[@litedawg]

That is one heck of a stat. Mind blown for sure.

[@ytharper66]

Great show! But then, they always are! As a Bama fan, I’ll admit it… I’m totally spoiled rotten! What’s truly unfair is that Bama has had the two greatest college FB coaches of all time, Bear Bryant and Nick Saban. Both will be remembered by CFB fans long into the future and I dare say, Saban will be remembered as the CFB GOAT coach for as long as the sport is played. We fans are so spoiled that we’re upset when we don’t win it all. We now expect to win the Championship every year and that doesn’t feel unreasonable to us. Anything short of a Natty is somehow a bad season. I’m in my mid 50’s and can remember being excited when we had a 7-win season (between Bear and Saban) and had a bowl game and about us getting a 3 star player in recruiting. Even I have to guard against being disappointed when we aren’t the National Champs every year and when we are Champs, I have to remind myself not to think of it as just another “on-par” season, rather than an amazing stellar event. We Bama fans can easily forget just how truly hard it is and how special it is to win a NC in CFB. I pity the coaches who come in after Saban. Good for UGA winning the Natty in 2021, but look out this season. Bama will be right back in the hunt and probably beat UGA out for the NC race with a full deck on offense once again. I think a stat that is freakish is that in 2008, 2010 and 2019, Bama wasn’t in the National Championship game, losing to the eventual National Champions, Florida, Auburn and LSU respectively. Since the 2008 season, Bama has played in the NC game 9 out of 13 times and lost to the National Champions in just 3 of those 9 games! That’s just mind-bogglingly incredible. Think about that. Bama was probably just one win away from 9 to 12 Natties under Saban!

[@ChiefLightsOut]

Nothing but the truth

[@donniedonnie3527]

Nick Saban is speaking up about the facts and the truth. Jimbo Fisher completely ignored what Saban actually said, because it is true and Fisher knows it is not a moral and ethical practice for a school to be getting players by giving them the most money. He gave one player over four hundred thousand dollars. Anyone who followed recruiting closely saw what Texas A& M were doing. It is a sleazy thing to try to get to the top using money instead of trusting that the player will choose your school. Saban will go down as leading the right charge to get rules in place to maintain morality in college football. Saban got to where he is 'not" by buying his players. Now A & M are trying to get to the top the easy way. The no rules just exposes the low morality of those taking advantage of it. Like Saban says there needs to be parity, equal amount of money for every player makes it where no cheating is allowed.

[@margieoakes3092]

Yes, again, for Josh being the best sports commentator on "all" the broadcast out there!! HIS insight is second to none. I seek the truth which He provides in every podcast. I trust what he says. I am 76 yrs. old and have listened to hundreds of sports commentators so I should know! If I click on his podcast, I will watch from start to finish! I can't say that about anyone else! Keep it coming Mr. Pate! I'm just a diehard college football fan who doesn't have time for too much hype! POMO

[@BigA7982]

To be honest, if Nick Saban would’ve never came to Alabama, Florida would be what Alabama is Urban Myer would have the same amount of rings or more as Nick Saban. He left because of Alabama.

[@loupi4bama]

If Bear had never coached at Bama, if Saban never coached at Bama.... well, if if's and but's were candies and nuts then every college football program would be Alabama. RMFT!!

[@tomblount5635]

Totally agree

[@jaclemo4060]

It's never SABAN'S fault !!

[@devn266]

Bama didn’t revolutionize offense in NCAA.. other teams did and they were able to change later while sustaining success bc their D was nuts before they went to the air raid

[@skipgumphrey9579]

RTR

[@teedotfoster]

That stat is soooo wild. I can’t help but wonder if 4-6 years after Saban retires, will Bama be able to keep it rolling. After all of his guys are gone will they come back down to earth. Pondering who the coach might be. So intriguing. You never wanna be the guy that follows the guy. You want to be the guy, that follows the guy, that follows the guy.

[@barthjackk]

I'm a diehard Bama fan and have always been but in my humble opinion, 4 to 6 years after Saban is gone as well as his recruits, sadly, Bama will be just another mortal team as they were before him. I believe the best we can do is to pick up Dabo and bring him back to his alma mater.

[@darthsaban8665]

LSU won multiple National Championships and stayed a contender for 15 years under a couple of mediocre coaches after Saban built their program. Alabama won't be as dominant as they are now, but will still be elite and possibly win a NC or two in the decade or so after Saban retires.

[@teedotfoster]

@@barthjackk could you really see Dabo at Bama? That might be the only gig that could pry him away from Clemson.

[@darthsaban8665]

@@teedotfoster Dabo went to Alabama and played for Coach Stallings. If any place could lure him away from Clemson, it would be Alabama

[@barthjackk]

​@@teedotfoster Yeah, possibly. Kinda like Kirby Smart heading back to Georgia, his alma mater. Dabo was a WR and TE coach at Alabama under Gene Stallings. Before that he was a WR under Stallings during the ’92 championship season and before (although I don’t recall him getting much field time) and he was raised near Birmingham.

[@robertjulieannanalett1691]

Just wondering what would have happened if richrod would have took over Alabama in Saban have nowhere to go except staying in Miami as an average NFL coach just wondering

[@BrianGlaze]

Yeah it's funny how so many people don't want to own that they want to change things because of Nick Saban's success

[@canefan17]

Well, when only a couple schools play the bag game on that level, then yes the rest of us welcome the new NIL changes - which will bring a little more parity at the top of CFB. Saban is a good coach, but he’s not some world beater. In the nfl, where talent is even and you don’t have the advantage of Bama’s bag game, he was mediocre.

[@juliasranu2255]

@@canefan17 but the NIL will launch Saban to another level....don't y'all get it...

[@canefan17]

@@juliasranu2255 No it won’t. The pre-NIL recruiting landscape was built for small town schools like Bama/UGA who had sophisticated bag games and a willingness to do whatever it takes to win recruits. I respect it. But with NIL, schools (especially in big cities) get to tap into recruiting resources they did not have before. And they can now go after big fish that they never had a chance of beating Bama/UGA out for financially. Let’s wait for it to play out, but I think things will shift in the next 2-4 years on the trail and you’ll see much more parity at the top.

[@juliasranu2255]

@@canefan17 well!! It's do late for the rest of college teams to catch up with Alabama Georgia Clemson.. especially Alabama because Alabama has been sending players to the NFL even before the nil

[@canefan17]

@@juliasranu2255 It's not too late lol One of the dumbest things I've read. It will take a couple recruiting cycles, but other teams will be right there very soon. They've committed to doing so financially. But carry on.

[@mitchconner2021]

NIL is a direct response to bama.. We all know bama has been paying kids waaayyyyyy before NIL was even thought of. How do you stop the bagmen? Make it out in the open.

[@crimsonkings205]

Educate yourself fool, EVERY SINGLE POWER 5 PROGRAM HAS BAGMEN. Paying players and giving them incentives has been happening since the 20s. USC is the most penalized school in NCAA history due to giving players incentives. Your issue is some schools do it better than yours. Get over and deal with it.

[@zesolodar]

funny how no one can prove it

[@zesolodar]

@@crimsonkings205 actually wichita state is

[@Handlethecurvessmoothly]

When the Bama qb last year was said to get a million $ Saban was happy to support that. Other schools have stepped up and he doesn’t like that The money has been there all along you are naive to say what you said. The money is now fully transparent and Saban along with Kirby are not happy? Why would that be?

[@hbleblanc205]

So your telling me, the only way for Saban to not dominate will cost my Saints a Superbowl?!

[@MeCanik79]

Pretty much. I totally agree with Josh. If Saban gets Breeze, he never comes to Bama. But, let's both count our blessings. You got your Super Bowl and I've gotten 6 national titles (and probably more coming). It's crazy to look back at how one seemingly small thing (at that time) completely changed the future for so many people and programs/organizations.

[@JoeKen5399]

Excellent video!!

[@MetallicAAlabamA]

It may be Saban's shear presence now in college football that is creating this turmoil. But it's the rest of college football that is keeping the problem going. Damn! Arkansas has had 6 coaches since 07' geez!. Alabama will likey open up as the #1 team in the polls come August. That will be 15 straight seasons that Lou Saban has had Alabama at the #1 spot in the polls some point in each of those 15 seasons. I will say this, If Saban never came to T - Town, Alabama still may have won a natty or two. But it wouldn't be the run that Saban has jogged as head coach, with a Forest Gump, coast to coast style run. And just like Forest, everyone that is running behind Saban, are the rest of college football. So they are running behind him, and Saban stops, he turns around. And they are like "He's about to speak!" Saban - "I'm not yet tired, So I'm gonna win more titles now." Rest of college football - "What do we do now?!? " Saban - " *mute* "

[@trueauburnchampion1322]

Scavenger hunt people:. Find one critical video from JP about AL or Saban. Don't even try there ain't one. Not even one. Only one explanation, JP has a nude poster of Saban in his bedroom and u know what that means. 🤓

[@bobsmoot8454]

Great video, Saban is the GOAT of college F-ball coaches

[@michaelchandler9402]

As long as Nick is ]at Alabama,L do not see any coach willing to outwork Nick!

[@joshuhlman2559]

Saban is GOAT, but that being said i hope to see Kirby "BabySaban" Smart dethrone him at some point in the future. Yeah Go Dawgs ;)

[@jefferyfeess5126]

Dabo goin there before or after he leaves anyway that’ll really tear things up

[@ke-wayLA6060]

Nobody wants his conservative azz on this football team anymore. STAY AT CLEMSON. PLEASE!

[@derekjones1265]

NIL IS THE PROBLEM NOT THE ANSWER TILL THEY PUT A CAP ON NIL

[@larryhealey6827]

Nick Saban is not blowing up college football, the college football national championship plan has blown up college football. College football became big business, folks could not stand not having an actual number 1 team. So the college football national championship playoffs were born which significantly increased network revenue and is able to crown a national champion every year. A few teams have been able to recruit the best players year after year because those players want to be number one. Those few teams have proven to have the best chance of winning the national title year in and year out. So now, there are a handful of schools which dominate the college football landscape. Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia and a couple others. Unfortunately very few teams will ever get a sniff of a championship because those programs don't offer that opportunity to the majority of 5 star and high 4 star HS recruits. Don't blame Saban for winning, blame the need for a number one team.

[@trueauburnchampion1322]

Omg. You said Gus yet u didn't say this low down Saban cried and had the rules changed everytime Gus won. He should upped his game and not changed the rules. Slowed down the hurry up offense so defense could sub yet since the beginning of football that was the rule and now u got to have 3 seconds to kick a field goal. How about at least one video of a lil criticism and we might back off a lil. U just don't realize how bias u are about Saban and Bama. Most of us are ready to throw up at these videos. Be real and fair JP.

[@baja1988_Texas]

It's easy to win the NC when you have all the best players and it's easy to attract all the best players when you win NC. Saban has gamed the system better than any HC ever. Let me know if you want proof.

[@stevenhicks6660]

Opinions are like rear ends. Everybody has one. BAMA will take care of our business on the field

[@keitho2479]

I’ve talked about this multiple times. What if Newton isn’t kicked off Florida team? Urban is at Florida longer so who take over OSU? What if Jimbo contract with UAB isn’t voided so he doesn’t go to FSU as OC with HC guarantee in three years.

[@LordBalin]

I would love a episode on the NIL program that Saban has had at Bammer since 2008.

[@jl3864]

That's the inconvenient truth...

[@darthsaban8665]

@@jl3864 Evidence? How about some evidence that what you are asserting is true?

[@jl3864]

@@darthsaban8665 you saban worshippers kill me lmaooooo

[@Legal_Savant]

@@jl3864 He just asked for proof. Seeing how you jumped to insults, shows you have none.

[@jl3864]

@@Legal_Savant triggered ya huh

[@joshberry66]

I wish every person involved in making rules for the ncaa would see this video

[@daryelhuff9096]

He single and you get a chance and start dating him then you get a free ride

[@bobsmoot8454]

Wish Vandy could score one of his awesome assistant coaches and take the Dores to the next level, like James Franklin did, but without the questionable players who cause trouble.

[@MeCanik79]

I swear I was just talking to someone about this the other day. I'm a Bama fan, but I honestly would love to see Vandy improve. I would like to see them compete in the SEC. But, there are some problems. With Franklin being an exception, no up and coming coach should ever take the Vandy job. Franklin actually made the program respectable and made a name for himself. He's a rarity. However, not many others could do that same thing. You can take the wrong head coaching job in football (especially college football). Vandy has the same problem in the SEC that Notre Dame has on the national level. The academic standards are very high. And, that's not a bad thing. It's just how it is. This is why Brian Kelly left ND for LSU. He could get to a certain level, but could never win a championship. While he did a good job in recruiting, he just couldn't stock the cupboard like Bama, Clemson, Ohio St, UGA, etc. Eventually, he saw the writing on the wall and left. He had hit the ceiling at ND. At Vandy, you basically have the same problem, but worse. Franklin did a decent job, but let's look at Mason. I thought Mason was a great DC at Stanford and would eventually be a good head coach. Now, I don't know everything about the situation. I don't know what all he brought to the table at Vandy in terms of work ethic, etc. Maybe he wasn't the same as Franklin, but I'm sure he wasn't horrible. Even so, we rarely see a coach succeed at Vandy. So, look where Mason is now. He's back to being a DC and his career is regressing. He was at auburn and he's OK St now. When you don't have any success as a HC, it sticks with you. Other schools don't want to give you a HC job because you couldn't succeed at the last place. But, it's really not his fault. No one can succeed at Vandy. You're in the premiere conference in all of college football and you can't compete. First, you have the academic standards which are going to disqualify most guys automatically. Second, the structure is already in place. Even if Vandy lowered their standards (which would be horrible idea), they still couldn't compete in recruiting against UGA, Bama, Florida, LSU, etc. Besides, I would hate to see Vandy lower it's standards. I'm a huge football fan, but I realize how important doctors and engineers are to the world. My dentist is Vandy alum. I really feel bad for Vandy fans because I can guarantee you that Saban would advise any assistant not to take the Vandy job if it were offered. It's not worth it to take that job just to have the title of HC because it may very well be the last HC job you ever have. And, most of your top notch assistants throughout college football know this as well. So as much as I would love to see Vandy succeed, I really don't know how you do it. It's quite a predicament.

[@bobsmoot8454]

Your very correct on many levels. In football Vandy is vying with schools that have successful, winning existing programs like Northwestern, Baylor, Stanford , etc… Vandy in basketball is recruiting against existing winning programs at UNC, Duke, Baylor again, etc….. Vandy is only able to compete for the best prospects in baseball or perhaps golf too, but no other mens sports. I was there in the early 1970s and I understood that the sports centered around seeing the other teams perform who had future NFL, MLB or NBA players. At least Vandy has an AD once again, which buffers the coaches ever so slightly from the whims of the current administration’s next “important “ agenda. I pull for Bama all the time and now my older daughter’s husband is a UGA alum, so I root for them too, my only issue comes in December when the SEC Championship is played in Atlanta, then in my heart I’m still a Bama fan but tell everyone I’m with the Dawgs, got to keep my baby girls happy.

[@rrydan4278]

Agree with this 100%. Sabans utter domination of the sport have led to desperate measures by other programs by a any means necessary approach. And the last pic I saw of him it looked like he has at least another decade of domination in him . Awesome. That and the greedy institutions these head coaches serve have ruined the sport IMHO. See TX/OK

[@timkinley1779]

That and the fanbases of certain programs that won games a long time ago. But are no longer relevant. Just because you are a fan of a certain program, doesn't mean they should be good. They need to put their feelings back in their purse and come to grips that their university doesn't or isn't willing to do what is necessary to win.

[@rrydan4278]

@@timkinley1779 correct and it comes back to then what Saban said, "what do you want college football to be." I'm good with Saban dominating because by most accounts he has done it the right way or within rules. The institution invests in it's program and Saban does the rest. Go out recruit/out coach/outwork etc....but there is no doubt his dominance has played a role if not a huge one in what we're seeing now.

[@timkinley1779]

@@rrydan4278 And having built a program is way, way, way different than building a program. They are playing catch-up and all of the money and 'want-to' can't offset the timeframe that left them years behind. The gap in time can't be overcome. The top three or four programs will continue to advance. So by time the others get to where the top programs are now, they will still be four-years or so years behind. They will always be playing catch-up because the big boys aren't waiting around on them.

[@crimsonkings205]

@@rrydan4278 Saban is the reason everything in the sport has changed. They are doing whatever they can to slow him down and nothing has worked. Lol I'm loving every single second of it being a life long die hard Alabama fan.

[@JJ-zr6fu]

@@crimsonkings205 Saban's greatest feat is his ability to adapt and continue dominating. Most coaches stay entrenched in how they first won. I don't think he's on the cutting edge, but he knows when he needs to change.

[@ronniepatterson2827]

Yeah, all you haters dont want to admit, the explosion of this sports popularity (also) rests on our Lord Sabans shoulders! Whether you love or hate his Tide, you still watch, & talk about him & his NFLish team! Would the sport be as popular without Saban? Would Josh Pate have his sweet gig without what Saban skyrocketing the sports popularity? NOPE & NOPE ! RTR/THE END

[@Kirby24K]

The answrer is yes/yes🤦🏼‍♂️ nick saban is in fact the greatest coach in cfb history. But he’s not gods gift to cfb and Alabama fans certainly aren’t either lmao.

[@stevenbass732]

@@Kirby24K Ummm you must have missed the 1,000s of videos about Bama and Saban. That's all they talk about and how this years CFB team is going to beat Bama. Without Bama and Saban, CFB would be ho hum.

[@Kirby24K]

@@stevenbass732 probably bc he’s the greatest coach in cfb… you’re missing the point

[@stevenbass732]

@@Kirby24K Not at all. I based my reply on your comment. I could be wrong, but I remember what CFB was like years ago and outside of regional play most people weren't all that interested.

[@Kirby24K]

@@stevenbass732 please go rewatch the 2005 rose bowl and try to convince me that people were not all that interested in cfb before Saban became bama’s head coach.

[@malachisoriano3475]

Damn none of our teams can win now because of the Miami dolphins 🤣

[@johnharo7435]

SC and Miami can legally pay players through NIL. His dominance will start to decline. Will still have a top program year in and year out, but Cali kids likely stay in SC, Florida kids go to Miami. Much more even playing field

[@darthsaban8665]

We heard all of that noise about the hurry-up offense, the Playoff and the transfer portal, so good luck with that

[@dwaynesmith5406]

Isn't Bryce from Cali? Jerry Jeudy from Fla?

[@johnharo7435]

@@dwaynesmith5406 USC had garbage coaching and NIL wasn’t in full swing like it is now.

[@johnharo7435]

@@darthsaban8665 well, everyone wants the NCAA to investigate SC because players transfer here due to NIL deals. NIL deals are much more massive in LA, especially if you field a *winning* team. Don’t get me wrong, what Saban has built in Alabama is almost unheard of, but with NIL/large markets etc…. Players went to bama to go pro, now you’re saying they can go to a different school, make money like a pro and still go pro afterwards?!? Miami and Los Angeles are much more appealing than Tuscaloosa lmao

[@fredwright5954]

satan is his own worst enemy. i love it

[@waynethurman2144]

Problems: 1. Players not getting education 2. Coaches not loyal to schools 3. Players are not loyal to schools 4. Conferences are meaningless, teams don't all compete against conference members each season 6. Too many bowl games and too easy to qualify for such.

[@seminoldschool7032]

Lol- I remember that well. I’m 43 & a Dolphins fan soooo when that happened I was piiiiiiissed…and I’ll never forget telling my buddies how “Sabans an idiot because Alabama sucks & will alway suck & he’ll be fired in 3 or 4 years just like every other Bama coach not named Bear Bryant” …I’m man enough to admit that I might have been wrong.

[@ronniepatterson2827]

Seeing my slow ass state doesnt have or want an NFL team, I been a Dolphins fan my whole life, as well as a Crimson Tide fan my whole life. I rejoiced when Saban left my Dolphins for my Tide. Now I get to watch Bryce on Saturdays & Tua on Sundays : )

[@detectif1061]

what makes dolphins fans think that drew would have automatically brought y’all a sb trophy?? dolphins culture is trash.

[@mytaichi5945]

I am a Dolphin and Bama fan. I was mad for a about 2 secs then it hit me…..maybe now we can finally win at least one with him coming!!! I still think what if about the Dolphins but there is no way he wins 6 NFL Titles. Can’t thank him enough for hurting me for 2 seconds! Lol

[@JK-gu3tl]

Dolphins roster was bad.

[@ronniepatterson2827]

They managed to win the remainder of thier games about halfway through last season, so the roster was getting it figured out at least lol. A new coach & a few more Crimson Tide folk added to the mix- NFL better watch out lol.@@JK-gu3tl

[@tony-the-tigerjohns3294]

NIL and the new transfer portal rules are still new and everyone is trying to figure out how it is going to work long-term. In the short-term, you are exactly right. Now, instead of recruiting high school guys who are unproven at the college level, Nick Saban (and everyone else) are recruiting players who are a more proven commodity because they have played 1, 2, 3, years of college football. Not discounting at all how good Alabama has been under Nick Saban, Alabama has been the recipient of some tremendous luck. The Miami doctors recommend that Drew Brees not be signed because of his shoulder and, Nick Saban was the third coach that Alabama tried to hire, with the first two turning them down! If Rich Rodriguez takes the job at Alabama he probably has a lot of success but no dynasty.

[@ke-wayLA6060]

If my grandma had balls she would be my grandad..If, If, If.....YOU SOUND UTTERLY RIDICULOUS! Bama! Let me saybit again...BAMA!!! DEAL WIT IT.

[@tyeash7822]

Look at the teams that have beaten alabama in a big game you have to be loaded with nfl talent not just draft talent but nfl producing talent and yes sabin has the best players and assistant coaches and recruits at the highest level never said its was gonna be easy you have to mach all that to level the playing field then you have a chance.

[@daryelhuff9096]

Butch davis was a better coach. 4 years at miami butch made a moon print 20 years sabin it is medium

[@jasonduplantis6442]

We get it, he's the goat... But Nick didn't make Bama.... They where already a historical juggernaut of CFB. He just rode the red tide. Had he stayed at LSU and produced what he has at Bama. Now that would have been OVER THE TOP REMARKABLE. IMO

[@brandonconforto315]

As far as offense goes I think Saban had to change because high school football offenses changed a lot after 2007. Back before a lot of high schools ran wing-ts and pro-style offenses. The only parts of the country that ran spread offenses was the west coast and Texas. Now it's everywhere. I don't think you can run the same kind offense that Saban ran 10 15 years ago and win today. The main factor is because they don't run those kinda offense in high school football anymore.

[@thegood9]

It's a microcosm of the "new society": let's just change all the rules to fit OUR limited and restricted mindset, instead of having to meet the challenges of greatness and the ESTABLISHED reality thereof. Just because you aren't happy doesn't mean the whole system needs to blow up. It's a sad situation.

[@Delited2bme]

Some coaches are only meant for the collegiate level. That's Tricky Nicky. I'm ready to see Saint Nick without his bestie as President of NCAA. Although, he still has the SEC Commish in his pocket.

[@BrianGlaze]

Nick would have done very well in the NFL also

[@Delited2bme]

@@BrianGlaze But he didn't. He had his chance.

[@chrislane5145]

Typical. Blame others when you can't compete.

[@JJ-zr6fu]

@@Delited2bme Miami didn't give him what Bama gave him. That's their fault not Sarans.

[@Delited2bme]

@@JJ-zr6fu What! No! Those were grown men. Nicky couldn't talk to them like he was used to talking to the college boys. We heard the stories where the dudes were ready to stomp a hole in Nicky. It was everywhere at the time. Where were you?

[@nicholaswoods4055]

If Jordan Addison goes to bama they go 15-0 almost easily

[@Jacob-ec6st]

They're already going 15 - 0 imo. But he would be awesome to have.

[@crimsonkings205]

Alabama is going 15-0 this year. Write it down.

[@thespectraldogg1277]

Alabama is going 15-0 anyway if he commits to Alabama or doesn't.

[@TheLFB]

If Saba doesn't come to Bama in 2007, we end up with Spurrier. I don't like that timeline one bit.

[@michaelmorris2816]

I'm a ND fan. So excuse me for not worshiping O Nick. Alabama offers our All American TE Six figures to come play for them. Michael Mayer said No. I wonder how much Nick knows about that?

[@michaelmorris2816]

@Zach Moore I said the same thing to Nick. When he said he didn't no about it. But I know the SEC. Thay like to cheat. 😂

[@dave011679]

When the old system benefits you the most, you're most likely to be against change.

[@darthsaban8665]

And yet the new system seems to be benefitting Saban just as much

[@dave011679]

@@darthsaban8665 He sure doesn't seem to think so. He never argued against the old system.

[@to-yr7gn]

Why is Bama in a decline?? Lets see. Losing to an 8/4 team that didn’t even have the guts to play Wake Forest, struggling and coming within a hair of losing to a terrible AU team that UGA destroyed, looking like crap for much of the season, not beating out A&M in recruiting - letting a upstart BUY the best class ( UGA shares in this too), not being prepared for injuries - not having much needed depth or good players ready to step up when needed, having an unprepared QB who panicked when everything was on the line, your HC telling Kirby that he really kicked Bamas arse only to whine 5 minutes later about injuries being the reason Bama lost and not his poor preparation and coaching. Add to all this the fact that Nick is 70 and slowing down while Kirby is in his mid 40s and has already created an elite program. Thrown in a spoiled entitled fan base who refuses to accept a loss to a rival. The “we wuz injured crap” doesn’t cut it. Everyone saw UGA manhandle Bama in the fourth quarter. And it’s ironic that no one mentions the fact that Bamas ONE TD came after UGAs controversial fumble near the goal line. All the rest were field goals. UGA had better defense and better offense and proved that a walk-on QB can outperform a Heisman “winner”. Bama might as well face it, their best days are behind them. I could go on as I have other Bama deficiencies I could gladly list but my fingers are getting tired from all this typing. Bama is no longer top dog. Y’all will still win the West but that is where it will end each year. No more SECs or playoff invitations. Bamas brand has gotten tired and old while Georgia is just getting started. 33-18 to you! Nitey nite!

[@barthjackk]

Wow, you went to the trouble of making a user name just for Georgia’s win, sorry, as an Alabama fan if I did that, I’d have waaay too many user names and couldn’t keep track of them. Alabama and Georgia are my two favorite teams in college ball. It was awesome to get to see them play each other on such a grand stage. I doubt the rest of the country felt that way though. I’ve always liked Kirby Smart and was sad to see him leave, we had such killer defenses when he was our defensive coordinator, true, hardcore SEC defense! It’s good to see him with the big win, he certainly deserves it. I wish Kirby could’ve been the past coach that beat him first instead of Jimbo. I know the 4 in a row prior losses to Alabama wasn’t looking good for him so this victory has lifted that pressure. I think that these two teams will be beating up on many teams later this year. Alabama definitely had difficulty last year, a sub-par defense to start the year out, OL troubles, running back woes and yes, injuries. Which you summarily dismiss like losing your two first string wide receivers isn’t going to affect any team. And the two receivers that replaced them in that game knew they stunk it up and both have left the team...and not to the draft! That’s okay, you’re probably new to the sport. For Alabama and Saban to possess all of the flaws that you feel that they have, that says worlds about how great a job that they did, making it to the National Championship. Thank you for pointing that out. Oh, and for “aLabozo” (as you refer to them as on your KZbin page) not only make it to the National Championship, but along the way dealt the one loss to a 12-0 team to win the SEC Championship game with a resounding 41-24 victory! That too is impressive. Let’s see, who was the loser to that flawed aLabozo/Saban team…oh, that’s right, it was the 40 something year old Kirby Smart and the Georgia Bulldogs. Everybody has shitty games now and again to include Alabama and Georgia. In the last 41 years, Georgia has won 1 national title, in the same time period, Alabama has won 7. 6 of those during the Saban era. Prior to Kirby’s National Championship win, Georgia was on a record setting losing streak to Alabama at 7 losses in a row. It would be my guess that the Nick Saban's Alabama Crimson Tide has less shitty games. Also, under Saban, Alabama has won 8 SEC Championships, Georgia has played in 3 and lost them all to Alabama. Without even discussing Georgia’s struggle to beat Clemson by 3 points or the strength of schedule last year (Alabama SOS ranked 8th while Georgia’s SOS ranked 32nd), you have to admit, these are tough stats to argue with but based on your last post, you probably will. How many times have we heard the media crying out (and KZbin posters)… Alabama’s dynasty is over, it’s through! And then Saban pulls out another SEC or National title (sound familiar, it should?). Saban’s not through nor is Alabama, wait and see, just as the others have seen. GO SEC!!!

[@to-yr7gn]

@@barthjackk aLabana fans are salty after that 33-18 drubbing. KEEP CRYING! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

[@barthjackk]

​@@to-yr7gn Then what do you call Alabama's SEC victory over Georgia, 41-24? I doubt that Alabama fans are salty, we truly have enjoyed a tremendous number of years of winning football under Saban. I’ll be bummed when he leaves but I am grateful for the years that we have had him. I doubt that there will be another coach that can match his accomplishments for quite a long time.

[@to-yr7gn]

@@barthjackk "what do call Alabama's SEC victory over Georgia, 41-24?" A meaningless scrimmage. Georgia's goal was to make the playoffs and win a national title. That game did absolutely nothing to prevent Georgia from reaching their ultimate goal. Bama had the same goal, but 33-18 prevented them from achieving it.

[@to-yr7gn]

@@barthjackk ratio 33-18 ratio 33-18 33-18

[@francisrentz4381]

"Why don't you out work him?" He has over 100 coaches and recruiters - they move whole families from Hawaii - and parents magically get jobs - you will have to be able to out spend him first!!!!

[@glockman9c]

Roll Tide!

[@anotheraggieburneraccount]

so what youre saying is skill issue

[@mitchelll3879]

NIL hasn't changed anything at Alabama, Auburn, USC, Miami, Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Ohigher Snake, Florida, Fl State, Georgia, LSU.. they all have paid players for years

[@theeamazingkrabb5358]

Even if Nick had gotten Drew Brees, I think we would have left a year later. I'm not sure Drew would have been what he became if it wasn't for Sean Payton. I think he would have left in 2008 and taken either the Tennessee or Texas and build a dynasty there.

[@Legendary_UA]

Who's your Daddy?

[@liceafilms]

Why do people try to “protect” college football like they know what’s best lol it’s okay to evolve

[@JJ-zr6fu]

These are the same people who just want the teams that were good in the 80s and 90s to be good. They don't want up and coming schools like A&M and Clemson. This is why Michigan and Texas are always ranked in the preseason top 10 every year.

[@NovejSpeed3]

"Pathetic......Beta!" Now that was the perfect summary Josh!

[@brandonscott8831]

So it's ok if sabans QB makes a million bucks before he ever plays a play but if any other school does it he runs crying to Congress imagine that

[@paulbrewer3510]

Dude he was already a backup to Mac Jones a year before NIL deals were a thing.

[@brandonscott8831]

@@paulbrewer3510 don't u remember Saban standing up at sec media days having a laugh because his star QB already had over a mil in nil I like how people forget

[@darthsaban8665]

@@brandonscott8831 the difference is that nobody offered him a NIL deal to come to Alabama dummy.....he didn't even get one till he was a sophomore

[@brandonscott8831]

@@darthsaban8665 you can call me what you want but it ain't going to matter because their cries are going to go unheard because the NCAA isn't going to do a damn thing cuz they don't want to get sued cuz that's exactly what will happen when you start violating constitutional rights you get the s*** suit out of you and you stop doing it good luck trying a******

[@paulbrewer3510]

@@darthsaban8665 Thanks for responding to Brandon. He doesn't understand that there wasn't a thing called NIL Deals during Bryce's freshman year at Bama.

[@rewill4940]

Yes you are correct! Saban will eventually leave College Football but what you fail to realize is that Saban's PROCESS will continue to be coached or preached by his disciples 😮 Saban's hold on College Football will not end with him... Once he is gone then one of his disciples will pickup where he left off 😮

[@mauriceboykin4422]

Why and 🤔

[@mikesupthn18]

All y'all college football fans out there all us Georgia fans been getting our asses kicked by Saban for years didn't cry do like we did we got mad showed pride worked harder and beat the sob to be the man you got to beat the man playing by the same rules he does Saban will always be the GOAT that's what kicking his ass in Indy was so sweet

[@stevesnavely4984]

True comment ! All these haters out there mad cause Josh don't talk about their teams ! Who wants to hear about the bottom feeders of college football ? Cry babies if you want your team talked about, beat the top teams !! I'm a huge Bama fan and Mn Gophers fan! I don't hear my Gophers talked about and I'm not bashing the show ! Do like Georgia did and get respect ! Bama is human. They lost to an average Texas Am team . Roll Tide....

[@mikesupthn18]

@@stevesnavely4984 my first cousin is a die hard Bama fan she and I love talking about SEC football always told her Georgia can't beat Bama until they do the only way to get respect is go out and earn it Georgia earned it Bama will always be the lead dog and if you can't run with the lead dog keep your ass on the back of the truck

[@ke-wayLA6060]

Boy please. UGA is new money like a mf. Nobody respects UGA like Bama. You gotta win 6 more of those 🏆 and then go to another 2 Nattis outside the 6 you won. Clemson won 2 Nattis and people still don't look at them like Bama. Continue your success. But STOP acting like we look at UGA like we do BAMA. FOH

[@ke-wayLA6060]

@@mikesupthn18...nobody cares about UGA.

[@mikesupthn18]

@@ke-wayLA6060 Georgia is not Bama don't want to be all y'all cry babies keep looking back to your past glory while we just pass you by by the way didn't Georgia last year destroy Clemson's season y'all should have kept your ass on the back of the truck let the big dog eat

[@mgirlsx2]

This is the “new” American way. We don’t look to do better or bring the bottom up, we look to pull down the top.. Strive to be mediocre…..SAD!