Josh Trank’s Fantastic Four: The Aftermath (Trankgate Part 4)

[@pk13910]

I love how it will forever be called Fant Four Stick. Classic.

[@charleslee8313]

All of these "Fantastic Four" videos need to be put together, and packaged as a large documentary. This is fascinating to see and hear, for it delves into films, producing, directing, and the market for today's film-going society. It's quite the story.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Charles Lee Yeah, we might do a full fledged documentary at some point, one which effectlivey combines all the others from the position of 20/20 hindsight. But probably not before the righst are conirmed back with Marvel, and more details of how known.

[@PatrickRamseymusic]

What goes on between these Studios is almost as interesting as what goes on on screen.

[@TheEpicImpaler]

This can easily be made into a documentary.

[@CelestialWoodway]

More interesting.

[@turtleanton6539]

*more

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

i never ever blame actors for bad movies the only people to blame are in order: 1- director 2- producers 3-script writers 4-whoever green lighted the movie after reading the script and picking the director

[@SuperWolsey]

#4- Tom Rothman

[@customersupport1790]

+Tarek Chamas Just Tom Rothman things.

[@SuperWolsey]

*****​ he did shoot himself in the foot in badmouthing the Story films ( though slightly deserved despite resembling the comic more than this)

[@prod.bydylAn]

@@SuperWolsey bruh, he’s stupid, he opposed x men 1 and cut its budget and then when it succeeded he said, “I’ve always loved the x men”

[@Goldman200]

I only feel bad for Kate Mara. I hope she can play a superhero in a well-made movie.

[@raymondleggs5508]

+Goldman200 I feel bad for trank too, the studio didnt care about the movie or him, they just wanted a remake of the first movie with a darker tone, and nothing at all new, Tranks cut was 2 hours and 30 mins long, they wanted it to be 104 mins and when they cut it down they had to force re-shoots to try to fix the amount of shit they fucked up when they did so and it made it worse. I sure hope Trank will get to make more movies, this man is a scapegoat, and being that he is mentally unstable its easy to use him as one. Fox never seems to learn from other movies that this kind of stuff never makes for a truly great or successful film hell they did this to the golden compass and it killed new line studios and don't forget supernova, which was okay but it was a mess with over 4 directors

[@thisistheendpt2]

+Goldman200 She was the same pan face in The Martian.

[@abbynormal8702]

+Goldman200 Toby Kebbel also. He was excited to play Doom when he was first cast and seems to be the one most sensitive to what the fans want and how important the source material is to the movie's success.

[@ian_b]

+Goldman200 She was horribly miscast. Why anyone thought she'd be right for Sue Storm is baffling. But then, Miles Teller as Reed... why? Why?

[@Avarn388]

+Goldman200 I think it would be extremely funny, if Marvel cast both her and Michael B. Jordan as Cloak and Dagger on a Netflix TV series. It would be a proverbial middle finger to Fox showcasing they can make good talent such as Jordan and Mara shine.

[@ProjektDarkMatter]

Excellent work, guys! This Trankgate saga has been a million times more fun to watch than Fant4stic itself. Deserves a movie of its own. Keep up the great work!

[@likebruceleroy5013]

+Eddy Aleman I'm hoping someday a filmmaker will "What Happened" The Death of Fantastic Four this thing.

[@ProjektDarkMatter]

+LikeBruceLeroy Hopefully Schnepp himself!

[@likebruceleroy5013]

+Eddy Aleman I forgot Schnepp did mention on Kevin Smith channel, that he is in talks to talk w/h Trank.

[@alsoknownas875]

This has really been an exceptional series on an exceptional channel. Keep up the great work guys, you really deserve more viewers and subscribers!

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Also Known As Warming words there, thanks a lot! Please help spread the word, we'll keep it up.

[@dragonphoreal]

+Midnight's Edge When will the Spider-man video come out? Also, what will it go over as a whole, other than Spider-man returning to MARVEL in a way?

[@MidnightsEdge]

Brandon Dozier It's no longer one video - instead, it will be a whole series chronicling the entire Spider-man cinematic saga, from non-starter to recently announced Venom. It will go over everything, especially matters related to rights.

[@StarFox_SNES]

+Also Known As I was going to post the same thing, so i'll just reply to you instead. This has been a very well made, professional, and informative series, and I hope that you guys continue to build subscribers, views, and keep putting out great stuff.

[@MidnightsEdge]

BShinkicker Thanks a lot - and yeah, that is the plan;p

[@Mike-hj7gg]

the name midnights edge, the music you use and the content makes me feel like im listening to some shady late night radio channel, thats giving me the dirt on the streets... i dig it.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+mike kenneth Allright, you got it:-)

[@Wednait]

+mike kenneth It always makes me feel like I'm watching a zany conspiracy theory show about lizard people taking over the government. But it's just movie news/theories. I like the whole vibe though.

[@Killerjosh89]

Can you dig it?.....can you dig it?....CAAANNNN YOUUUU DIG IT?!

[@TiberiusMonk]

+mike kenneth what is the music you use in these videos I love it. Keep up the great work!

[@andresantiago1787]

+Jeb Woodhouse Like a movie version of Art Bell's Coast to Coast?!

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

One of the things this catastrophe accomplished was creating sympathy for the actors involved.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

+Nathaniel Levesque Okay, I agree with you on this. I actually don't hate any of the actors. Trank just seems like a massive egotist.

[@thatcommentguy9609]

+Daniel Irwin I'd say Michael already has given the success of Creed.

[@BlackClaw2]

+That Comment Guy And he's been rescued by Marvel Studios. #BlackPantherSoLit

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

BlackClaw2 Oh thank fuckin god. Marvel should just make a new animated series on the F4 and just call it a day. Given all the adventures they can get in, it would seem like the better option.

[@DemonBoy3223]

It's okay, Toby Kebbell now has _Kong: Skull Island_ under his belt, in it he plays a relatively minor character, and also provided the motion capture for Kong.

[@masamune2984]

I am watching this at 11:39. So basically, I am watching Midnight's Edge on the edge of midnight. Meta.Just discovered this channel , and I am already loving every bit of it. Wonderful job!

[@MidnightsEdge]

+masamune2984 Awesome, glad you found us!

[@rhenvao2844]

I feel bad for Toby Kebbel. He seems like a fine guy, and he's done some good work, and seeing FF do this to his career opportunities is pretty sad.

[@christophermarabella5683]

Poor Toby Kebbel, I hope his career recovers because he is a brilliant actor

[@benrussell5070]

ikr. he'll always remind me of dead mans shoes, he was amazing in that.

[@Alex30]

Christopher Marabella He's still getting roles but sadly mostly bad ones.

[@n00bsauce1987]

I love the music. This is like Dateline for Hollywood. I approve of it all. Great vids

[@Lunaneko.14]

The black guy came out unscathed. He was in an Oscar nominated movie (Creed) and has a role in Black Panther!

[@automan224]

Ashley McGuire he's got a name you know...

[@Lunaneko.14]

automan224 i know i just forgot it at the time. Put your sjw sword down.

[@automan224]

Ashley McGuire it was never up screw SJWs. But given Michael B Jordan's name was mentioned in the video it comes across as you didn't watch the video

[@Lunaneko.14]

automan224 either that or i just didn't give a fuck and considering i knew the actors were in jeopardy in the first place, that would point to me watching the video and not giving a fuck what i called him as long as i pointed out the right guy

[@Lunaneko.14]

automan224 already edited it. which makes your attempt at sounding smart in a youtube comment section ------> entirely pointless

[@mobsta163]

I'm happy that Michael B Jordans Career survived and i hope the cast will bounce back from this

[@AlexPerez-tt9ru]

honestly your videos need to be seen by the world of what goes on behind the scenes

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Alex Perez Glad you feel that way! If you could help reaching the world by spreading word of us to a friend or two, we'd be really grateful for that;p

[@Leoofmoon]

+Midnight's Edge I found you by reddit and I became a fan. I an not a F4 fan but even I felt insulted by this movie. I think a lot of people where as angry as the dickless thing.

[@MidnightsEdge]

Todd Smith Coming soon.

[@AlexPerez-tt9ru]

Midnight's Edge I like spreading the word to people who still like to blame the original creator for the Ghostbusters movie

[@doomguy8324]

AGREED!!!!!! This should be taught in film schools around the world!

[@likebruceleroy5013]

Man do you know how much I've been waiting for PART4, I even made a bag of popcorn just to watch this.

[@TotallyToonsTV]

09:19 - Straight Outta Compton's sequel, Drop Outta Compton

[@clintonwilcox4690]

I've subscribed. I'm finding your discussions of the various film franchises very interesting, and I appreciate how you keep official information and rumors separate so as not to mislead anyone who is listening.

[@edvaira6891]

Trank actually got a job directing a Tom Hardy movie about Al Capone, coming out in 2019, called FINDING FONZO

[@linusfotograf]

edvaira6891 He’s lucky to have a career

[@haileyshannon7548]

I have a confession, I saw this in the theatre in an (almost) empty theatre

[@WTFisTingispingis]

I was super excited to see another part of this coming up, it's like the story just keeps getting better.

[@Raven96EW]

Rothman took away Deadpool's mouth in Wolverine. He tried to kill the XMen franchise. Ghostbusters reboot suffered for his medling too.

[@EduardoLuna120291]

Found your channel after Fant4stic was released. I was looking for some in-depth analysis as to what went wrong. Dude, you went above and beyond. I checked out some of your other videos, and I have to say I like your style of reporting. Keep up the good work!

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Eduardo Luna Thanks a lot!

[@ScuffyP]

Great channel guys, fantastic work _(pun most certainly intended)_.

[@historiador1976]

The Trank/Fourtastic series has been amazing to watch. Keep the good work.

[@MultiAdventure10]

Huge fan of your channel and this series. You guys put a huge amount of work into your videos, keep it up!

[@MidnightsEdge]

+MultiAdventure10 Thanks, glad the work is appreciated!

[@Raven96EW]

Rothman has his fingerprints on some of the worst movie decisions of all time! He made the call to turn GALACTUS INTO A DAMN SPACE CLOUD! Among many other horrid choices.

[@henrywalsh]

Fan4stic - Here are the problems with this film. 1. It was nothing like the comic. 2. It race-lifted Johnny Storm for no reason. 3. It was dark and broody, which Fantastic Four (the comic) is not. 4. It was super serious... A movie about 4 intergalactic travelers with super powers... 5. It was just bad.

[@matthewleeeverhart1908]

+Henry Walsh Bro there's so much more wrong with the movie then just that. 1. The direction of the story made zero sense. 2. The acting was terrible. 3. The writing was horrible. 4. The editing was lazy. 5. The dialogue was boring. 6. The special effects looked like something out of a bad b movie from the mid 80s.

[@de_lahn]

+Riki Kage yes they are alot of fans of comics watch movies of they're superheroes your suppose to make them like the comic to make them appeal to us and have movie goers read what the movies based on

[@sirpico123]

basically it was SHIT and has destroyed its directors once glorious reputation.

[@henrywalsh]

And do you think that there ever would have been an Antman movie were it not for the comic fans? No offense Riki, but the comics make the characters, not the darn movies. The comics last for DECADES as a narrative medium, the movies do not. The movies need to start paying attention. Just because there are more people who are too stupid and lazy to read a comic doesn't mean that the movies are more important or better. Nor does it mean that some director or hollywood writer can do it better than decades of various comic writers. If you claim to love Marvel, but then don't pick up the comics, then you aren't informed enough to talk about Marvel. Period. End of discussion. It is like me having a PhD in physics and you trying to hang with me in the topic because you read an article in Popular Science. You're outgunned and you should simply accept it.

[@de_lahn]

Henry Walsh Yass, roast his ass and tell him the truth.

[@creamithmanning2632]

I wanna believe in Josh Trank. Dude's quite the underdog now, and I know deep down that he is talented. Maybe this whole debacle will be able to fuel him to get back to the top. I mean, he isn't blacklisted, is he?

[@Avarn388]

Great work, as always. Fantastic Four very much seems like a project that Fox doesn't want to talk about. Given Deadpool's success, the studio most likely is grateful as they have regained support and momentum. However, Fox isn't stupid. The likes of Rothman gone, the studio knows they need to tread precariously with this franchise As such, Any indication of a sequel or some kind of reboot(whether it be for pride or ego), will backfire and in turn reverse a majority of the goodwill they've managed to reclaim from Deadpool. Heck, credence to that is that in their attempt to secretly remove the listings of F4, the media found out and ridiculed them. And just looking at the franchise objective, it is a sucked orange. Given this latest movie and the prior ones, they have a toxic asset on their hands. One that has earned them consistently less money. They cannot even tout any prior successes, for unlike the X-men, there were none. If Fox is smart, they will give the rights back to Marvel. The X-men brand is still a successful tentpole the studio can draw on, Deadpool being evidence. And given the reception to possible films like X-Force and Deadpool sequel(plus many more, assuming they are good), the studio may see the benefits of this outweigh the costs of handing over Fantastic Four. And for those wondering, Fox cannot cross over the X-men and F4. Ignoring how dumb that would be, given it would taint the brand, those contracts I believe were negotiated separately. As such. they would probably need Marvel's permission, which I doubt they will get. Overall, Fox will prevail with the X-men. But Fantastic Four is a dead asset. By returning to Marvel Studios, they can at least recoup the loss with the slate of X-men films. And for F4,Marvel can begin the task of salvaging the franchise and hopefully bring it back to strength. Overall, thank you guys so much for this series. Stuff like this shouldn't be forgotten.

[@tyrannosuperior5248]

Hard to believe this was 5 years ago. We should hold a party.

[@Da1Dez]

7 years now

[@johnferguson7235]

Tranks' tweet will go down in history as one of the dumbest moves ever by a major movie Director. No executive is going to risk their career by putting him in charge of another movie. He might be allowed to work as a second unit director but I don't believe that any directors will take the chance that he will act out and disrupt production or overshadow the release. He wasn't qualified or capable of managing such a large and complex project and the pressure got to him.

[@YossarianAssyrian]

Love the research you put into these videos. I'm subscribing.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+rhinovirus74 Welcome, glad to have you with us!

[@timmacarthur7076]

Never before has a film director been so completely self-destructive on a beloved superhero franchise that didn't deserve such abusive treatment. Especially for fans like myself who only wanted a good movie. Such a shame.

[@MRoger20]

Man you deserve more views and exposition, such good content.. Congratulation guys..!!

[@thisistheendpt2]

Jordan and Mara will weather the storm. Teller will endure a long stretch on the sideline. Bell might never crush another role on the big screen, at least in an action role. Kebbell's career is doomed.

[@galmorzu]

Another great video, very interesting and definitely a good addition to the series.

[@CornOfTheBreads]

I think fans more want the bad guys from the Fantastic 4 universe and I would be happy if they just got the rights to Galactus, Dr Doom, or even Skrulls.

[@HejaWolf]

But also, I want to see the Fantastic 4 themselves done right! I love The Thing as he's one of my all time favorites and Human Torch is great as well! I also like Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman are cool as well and I want to see them in a great movie and represented well! And of course, I want to see Dr. Doom done right!!! Oh my god, Doom in Fant4stic may be the worst villain I've seen in a movie!

[@thatcommentguy9609]

I think Marvel and Fox share the rights to the Skrulls, similar to how they share Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

[@HejaWolf]

That Comment Guy That I don't think so. I haven't heard about that.

[@pansnemesis]

I've been saying just that... MCU would be even better with the F4 Rouge gallery

[@marvelousdcgeek9761]

+Heja wolf 0602 well James Gunn confirmed that :) both Marvel and Fox share the rights of the Skrulls

[@cripplehawk]

It looks like Josh Trank is joining Michael Cimino in the "Persona non Grata department in Hollywood"

[@Gnadab]

Zack Snyder will join them soon.

[@jmiller2728]

He has Rouge One.

[@pacman5698]

Gareth Edwards rocks for now IMO. _Rogue One_ and _Godzilla_...

[@CharlieMonkeh]

Scott buck too.😆😆😆😂😂😂😂

[@IftiAlam1999]

As of now, FANTASTIC 4 is back home, in safe hands.

[@fgyu4]

I truly LOVE this series! Thank you!!! 👍

[@steprockmedia]

The movie was just a total mess. As soon as it started warming up (the heroes got their powers) they cut away! They ran a montage of a movie that looked much more interesting than the one I was watching. The dreary acting and bleak setting didn't help. Still, they could have pulled out an exciting climax - except again, they cut away. This time, moving the entire film to a bleak locale that no one cared about. Sure, the earth was in trouble, but the not-so-climactic battle took place on a barren otherworld. Who cares? It's like that epic Superman battle in the Sears parking lot. Those are just my highlights from this movie. And I was actually hoping the criticism was blown out of proportion. Nope. If you haven't seen it, save yourself the trouble.

[@timmacarthur7076]

Agreed.

[@choctopsmovie]

Great vid as always guys, loving it

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Choc Tops Thanks!

[@thewolverine9062]

Can we have a Part 5, theres been too much news i wanna see covered

[@MidnightsEdge]

You can - but we need a fuller picture of what is happening between Fox and Marvel first. hen we learn more, part 5 will come.

[@thewolverine9062]

cancelled?

[@azraelswrd]

Are you talking about Fantastic Four 2015 making a profit? According to Box Office Mojo, the production budget was $120M but the gross earnings (domestic + world) was only $167M -- that's not taking into account marketing and promotional spending. For most films, to be profitable, they need to make at least twice their production budget (and Fox heavily promoted this film via ads and cross-product promotions). www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticfour15.htm

[@riffgroove]

Hey guys. New subscriber here, I've been watching your videos all evening. Keep up the great work. 2 topics I'd like to see you address.... 1) Ghost in the Shell - the controversy behind the movie. ( although this could conceivably wait until it's release. ) 2) The fact that the live action and much ballyhooed version of *Akira* has gone back into production hell for, what, the fourth time? Akira is one of my favorite films ever, not just anime. Personally, I hope that it never gets made, not the way Hollywood wants to see it made, anyways. As much as the graphic novel of The Watchmen was considered unfilmable, I consider Akira to be unfilmable. Once again, great channel.

[@MidnightsEdge]

Thanks, and welcome! Ghost in the shell will no doubt be covered closer to release, Akira ... if Hollywood gets their way;p

[@MyEvilTaco]

Who the hell went to see this movie and even bought the blue ray seriously?

[@intoxovision3121]

Kids.

[@IAmNMFlores]

I did

[@PaulDozierZZoMBiE13]

Can't even make myself hate-watch it.

[@zillauniverse7208]

MyEvilTaco Sebastian mind

[@assassin117able]

me...

[@bv7920]

Just subscribed today, but I must say, your content is very thorough and entertaining. Keep it up!

[@MtnDewGuy100]

Great content guys ! I enjoy listening to this podcast !

[@helli0n]

I've seen a few of your videos and loving them all so far. However I would like to point out that the way you framed Josh Trank's "exit from the industry" it sounds like the reasoning was because of Fantastic Four's box office failure & his tweet. Really it happened much earlier (publicly beginning with his quiet firing form Star Wars) when the studio heads got wind of his dreadful behavior on the set of Fantastic Four. Similarly Miles Teller's problems started earlier as well quiet possibly due to him being notoriously hard to work with and ultimately "supposedly" almost coming to blows with Josh Trank on the set of Fantastic Four. Remember that the news about Miles being dropped from La La Land came from an interview he did which was completed and came out prior to FF hitting theaters.

[@Dj.MODÆO]

There’s three rules to making a reboot. You can bend them a bit and maybe break one, however if two are broken your films gonna bomb and turn people against the actors the franchise and/or the director. #1 Respect the material. Often directors or studios take too much liberty making a reboot their own, in some foolish display of pride. The side effect is, your screwing with peoples childhood memories, and they don’t always handle that well. #2 Don’t redo the origin story unless it’s been 20+ years since that protagonists origin been portrayed on film or TV. Your not telling the audience anything they don’t already know and your just wasting the audiences money and wasting running time that would be better used following a better plot. #3 Only hire directors and producers that are fans of the original movie or franchise. This rule is obvious.

[@richardmattingly7000]

Its hard to believe that Hollywood is risking 100+ millions of dollars with people like Trank who were still in high school 15yrs ago. Like movie Westerns, Comic/Graphic Novel films are begining to overstay their welcome and even CGI can't fill in for poor storytelling.

[@pansnemesis]

We don't need fantastic 4, we need their rogue gallery

[@Da1Dez]

Can't wait to see your next episode of Trankgate with the new Capone trailer now out. Having just watched it, I have high hopes for Trank let's just say!

[@MidnightsEdge]

Being edited as we speak.

[@Da1Dez]

@@MidnightsEdge I loved it well done!

[@creekandseminole]

TBH I laughed when I saw the second Empire magazine group pic.

[@wkatc007]

"Don't be mad, UPS is hiring" #RIPDirectorJoshTrank

[@91MoonKnight]

I feel bad for Toby Kebball that guy is a great actor and he does deserve more. It's a shame he was in Fant4stic i wish he just walked away from the role and didn't play Doom.

[@SuperWolsey]

Aye. He deserved better than that. Now his film career has gone the way of Gabriel Macht's after The Spirit

[@lewisbeats117]

+kory stephens I don't think so. He is in the new Warcraft movie, so at least he is getting some work.

[@SuperWolsey]

JLLH There's hope after all then

[@drblue5819]

Love your videos, as a fellow cinema enthusiast. Keep up the awesome work!

[@Phantom9252]

I've now seen these four parts on Fan4stick and your Spider-Man videos and I gotta say, this channel is awesome. No idea if it's one person doing the videos or a team, but they've got a lot of quality work put into them.

[@MidnightsEdge]

Glad you enjoy them! All the Fantastic Four videos were written by Andre (the one with the accent), and all the Spider-man videos were written by Grant. Kevin narrated and edited all the FF videos up until the fourth, when Robb took over narration duties. The Robb narrated videos were all edited by Andre, expect the third Spider-man video, which was edited by Anthony. The whole lot were however produced and overseen by Andre, the channel proprietor.

[@Phantom9252]

Neat! sounds like you've got a great team! Keep up th egood work!

[@paradoarify]

This makes the last season of arrested development seem so much better.

[@supervenom1]

you guys really deserve the subscription, keep it up :)

[@Kunder_Thunt28]

I just found your channel. very interesting and informative film videos. thank you

[@tailsprower3522]

I lold at Best Buy handing it out for free.

[@kirill4524]

Great video as always. One thing I would add are the sources because some of these articles sound very interesting :)

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Magath 88 I'll keep that in mind for future videos - in the meantime, we always name and screencap the sources, so it shouldn't be too hard to find the articles in question;p

[@mrventura430]

love your videos...keep them coming

[@ninobrown2073]

This is great content. I'm subscribing.

[@niall653]

Toby Kebbell is an amazing actor his first film dead mans shoes is breath taking

[@ShadowStoryteller]

Anyone think it's cruel and delicious irony that Fox is now apart of Disney and would now be easier to get the Fox-verse Marvel Movie Rights back to Marvel Studios?

[@michaelkopischke8072]

I'm happy that the main fours' careers seem to have survived with minimal damage.

[@jetfire851]

Any thoughts on the Ike Perlmutter hate mail scandal? Apparently he's been writing letters claiming that his neighbor is a pedophile and/or murderer in an effort to buy out his property. Or something. It's pretty complicated and very strange, and if it blows up even further I wonder if Disney will finally just buy out his shares of the company and get rid of him entirely.

[@SuperWolsey]

+Doug Glassman Seriously?? Jesus, Perlmutter's a bigger psycho than I realized.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Sounds like something Fredrik Knudsen could cover. Seriously, sounds like a rabbit hole.

[@SirBlackReeds]

@UltraOrb66 Takes one to know one. ;)

[@apexone5502]

Yo! That pic around 21:13 with the DVD is hilarious, Lol.

[@rrmendoza1]

Yes! Exactly the music I wanted to hear! Great job on compiling on the news, Midnight's Edge! I hope Marvel is just wanting to keep this all a secret and surprise us when the time is right. So far, you have 227 likes and 0 dislikes. No Fox fans will like to hear this. Haha!

[@MidnightsEdge]

+ralph m Yeah, both Marvel and Fox have good reasons to keep any rights movement a secret - Fox to save face, Marvel to triumph in a later show that rocks the world.

[@rrmendoza1]

+Midnight's Edge I believe that would be so. Fox is so embarrassed by what they have done and Marvel is being polite.

[@Lunaneko.14]

Who is watching this in 2017 as the Fantastic 4 are about to come back home?

[@turtleanton6539]

Are they really?

[@Klishar122]

I'm watching this in 2019, and unless I'm mistaken, the Fox merger is in its final stages.

[@theunbeknown4356]

you should do more videos like this, it was very educational.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+West Beasty We will - but they take a lot of resources and time to make, so in between them, you also have the discussion videos and shorter vids that keep up with current events;p

[@fulcrum6760]

Michael B.Jordan is on a role, Jamie Bell shows his acting chops in indie hits, Kate Mara is showing some promise and Miles was in Whiplash.

[@barrythewarren]

Thank you Keep up the work guys :)

[@effluviah7544]

The background music was a bit too loud, and made it hard to hear you sometimes! But this was an excellent and informative breakdown of the situation with this film. Thanks for spelling it all out! :)

[@originalscreenname44]

I think one thing that's missing from the bad blood here is Disney. Recently they had just took a major franchise from Fox (Star Wars) with the LucasFilm acquisition, and they are no doubt banging on Fox's door to acquire the rest of the Marvel franchises since they are now Marvel's parent company and they do not like outsiders playing in their sandbox. I'm pretty sure Fox is taking that loss pretty hard because minus the Marvel properties they have, the only established, well-known franchises currently active are Alien, Predator, and Ice Age.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+originalscreenname44 The bad blood between Fox and Marvel predates Star Wars. While that probably didn't make matters better between Fox and Disney, I doubt it changed anything between Fox and Marvel.

[@Interestingenough4]

+Midnight's Edge The good news, though, is that the large majority of the Fox crew are on good terms with Marvel Studios. After Disney split Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment and put Kevin Feige in charge of the movies, and after Tom Rothman left Fox for Sony, relations seem to be warming. Also, Tim Miller (the director of "Deadpool"), Miller's creative committee, and Simon Kinberg have openly said they want to cross over Deadpool with Spider-Man (who's now canon with the MCU). If such a deal can be reached, then maybe that could lead to future cooperation, especially considering that Miller and Kinberg are good friends with Feige. Honestly, even though Deadpool is violent, crass, and vulgar, he tonally fits more with the current MCU than with the X-Men.

[@TYCOM125]

+Interestingenough4 I canNot imagine Feige and Kinberg being friends, considering.

[@TYCOM125]

+Interestingenough4 I canNot imagine Feige and Kinberg being friends, considering.

[@aarontrainor9918]

+Interestingenough4 Deadpool and the X-Men could stay at Fox

[@The4thSnake]

I'd guess Fox will wait for the new Spider-Man and see how that does before deciding if they should do a similar deal for the FF.

[@SamTheCreature]

Worth the wait :)

[@22DeusVult22]

Just stumbled across you guys! Awesome! Subbed!

[@MidnightsEdge]

+o War Cloud o Glad you found us, welcome!

[@cilkandmookies]

I took a shot of tequila every time he said "Fan4stick". I only just came out of my coma.

[@DeclanCorey]

After Stan Lee's death, Josh Trank apologised for not letting Stan see a good Fantastic Four movie after he died. Meanwhile, WB fired Zack Snyder after his daughter committed suicide and didn't even dedicate Justice League to her. I think that speaks multitudes for Josh Trank.

[@ProdigyComics]

I hope by the time we get infinity war we can see at least a cameo of the fantastic four helping the avengers against thanos.

[@pcwarduke2055]

+AceRadicalDrago i'd settle for the silver surfer at least

[@tommy1138]

This movie is on my permanent "must NOT see" list.

[@turtleanton6539]

Good choiche

[@Eric_1991]

I saw it for free...I feel like I overpaid...

[@DoktorSick]

One of the main problems with this movie is they dropped the ball with Dr Doom. He's a major badass villain and made him less than a shadow of his comic book glory.

[@Fuzzy_Barbarian]

This had been a really informative and entertaining series of videos. Fant4stic made me want to learn more about the film industry, and your videos helped me get started in that respect. Though I did miss the old narrator in this one. What happened to him?

[@electrojones]

That picture of Perlmutter is at least forever years old.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+electrojones It's from the eighties, and it is the only public image of him that exists. The guy attends premieres in disguise and everything, we cover it in our earlier Perlmutter discussion, im the MARVEL CIVIL WAR video.

[@TheCalvinProblen]

+Midnight's Edge You could probably do an entire video on Perlmutter....tales suggest the guy is an intolerable human sphincter.

[@MidnightsEdge]

Calvin James We already kind of did, the Marvel Civil War video.

[@TheCalvinProblen]

Ah, fair...I'm new ha. I just always find the reports/hearsay so shocking, and surprisingly under reported considering the nature of some of it.

[@charronfilms]

Are you going to do a Trankgate Anthology video on The Amazing Spider-Man? It would be very interesting, chronicling a series from a promising first film to a franchise killing second film and showing the dangers of creating a shared universe.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+charronfilms As a matter of fact - yes, we are! Research is well underway, and scripting has started. And it is going to be far bigger in scope than what you describe;p

[@gamestation2690]

+Midnight's Edge I actually kind of like the Amazing Spider-Man movies. Both of them!

[@dragonphoreal]

+Midnight's Edge Did Rothman have anything to do with the direction of the Amazing Spider-man films; from trying to be dark and gritty with TASM1 to being goofier in TASM2? Also, what do you think of studios trying to set up cinematic universes; it's a novel idea but the way these studios go about it seems like a vain attempt to imitate what MARVEL is doing, like look at the planned Monsters Universe that Universal Studios is wanting to set up with their DRACULA UNTOLD, and they aren't even going to be horror films rather they will be some kind of superhero-like action movies pretending to be horror. Also there was Terminator Genysis which was not only supposed to start a trilogy of films but also a spin off tv-series that would have been made by the same folks who did the Sarah Conor Chronicles Terminator series, yet now the 2nd movie has been removed from it's timeslot in 2017; while they haven't said that the sequels and tv series are cancelled, Paramount has apparently placed Baywatch on the release date that Terminator Genysis 2 would have come out on. Any thoughts on that and what it truly takes to create a competent cinematic universe?

[@eagc7]

+Midnight's Edge looking foward to it, and with the news of the Venom Movie being revived and not being part of the MCU, could easily give you guys more topics to talk about when you guys work on the Spiderman videos

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Brandon Dozier Rothman had nothing to do with the Amazing Spider-man franchise, that was all Avi Arad and Amy Pascal. As for cinematic universes, there will be several videos about that very topic over the next few months, were we explore several would be and some that should be, so stay tuned for that!

[@toddthegod3222]

One correction. The fantastic 4 comics were not canceled because Marvel wanted to block promotion for the fantastic 4 movie, they were canceled because they were not selling enough.

[@azraelswrd]

+SteveTheDruid Well, Marvel had quite a few titles that were underperforming but F4 being associated with Fox made the choice easier on which one to drop.

[@likebruceleroy5013]

+azraelswrd Very true.

[@MidnightsEdge]

+azraelswrd That about sums it up.

[@1216Rockman]

+Midnight's Edge Legion takes place in it's own continuity not dealing with the X-MEN DOFP timeline so it could either be it's own thing or and I know it's a stretch(badumtiss) the Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline.

[@mrhypnagogia]

+SteveTheDruid the free promotion thing was quoted by one marvel high up though, i remember the story

[@TheMellowPumpkin]

+Midnight's Edge How does Constanin Fims figure in all this?

[@MidnightsEdge]

+TheMellowPumpkin They don't, not anymore. It used to be that Constantin woned the FF license (they were the ones that made the Roger Corman movie to retain the rights). They entered a partnership with Fox to make the 2005 movie, and at some point, Fox legally took over ownership of the FF movierights. Any credit Constantin gets now is marquee only.

[@StephaneChapheau]

You just earned a subscriber, these analysis videos are awesome! What's the background music?

[@BardicLiving]

I'm glad Jamie Bell is still doing well (why was he in this again?).

[@useful76]

+BardicLiving jobs a job

[@thelordofhellaz]

+BardicLiving .....Because he also got to be in Kate Mara.......

[@useful76]

thelordofhellaz giggity

[@stormking279]

part 4?! should have seen this coming

[@loiiblank4699]

Will you guys do some research on the Batman vs.Superman disaster.

[@prismaticbeetle3194]

subed love these videos :P

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Tarek Chamas Welcome, glad to have you with us!

[@DoReMi123acb]

+Midnight's Edge ditto!!!

[@ZontarDow]

How do you have an estimate on the home media release of movies?

[@MidnightsEdge]

+dave19941000 It's freely available at www.the-numbers.com/

[@ZontarDow]

Midnight's Edge Thanks, never been aware of this site

[@daniescott3000]

Really need Trankgate part 5!

[@MidnightsEdge]

Me too! But I've only got material for a speculative editorial right now, and a short on at that.

[@daniescott3000]

Midnight's Edge What do you think of Kevin Feige's recent comments about Fantastic Four in the MCU???

[@customersupport1790]

What can you say about the "Tim Miller LIVE interview" on Deadpool and Spiderman crossover?

[@MidnightsEdge]

+Customer Support My thoughts are coming in a separate video, in the next couple of days;p