Worst MMO Ever? - Bloodlines of Prima

This might be it, this might take the crown.
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[@sadmegatron2300]

I'm very late to this, but I know where the icons and entire UI is from - I'm a game designer and for a class project, we bought a UI package, I've used and seen every single icon, text font, window, button, and all those skill icons. It's called the RPG & MMO UI 5 pack from the Unity Asset Store. Every single bit of UI in this project is using that.

[@katdixon8390]

I believe it even came as part of a Humble Bundle at one point. This game might actually be the result of throwing together a bunch of stuff that came in a single Humble Bundle...

[@okonomiyakiyakiyaki]

I mean maybe, or they have just used some art assets that they bought (and probably didn't steal) like most indie game devs do. Maybe it was a solo developer who was not an artist and focused on programming only. That is pretty common. Probably took on a project that was more than they could handle and had to release whatever was done in order to get at least some of the money that was lost in the process back. Not ideal but it is the reality of many inexperienced aspiring game devs.

[@Fanatiikon]

@@okonomiyakiyakiyaki no one said anything about stealing ?

[@Fanatiikon]

oh nvm i hadn't finished the video so i didn't see josh saying the icons are stolen.

[@jojbenedoot7459]

@@okonomiyakiyakiyaki they didn't HAVE to release anything, especially on Steam, and they certainly didn't have to charge for microtransactions

[@gabrieleslinger6169]

Josh: I think I found it, the WORST mmo EVER! Fiesta online: Yo, guys, watch me do a flip!

[@exodore2000]

Nah Fiesta and Flyff are better.

[@exodore2000]

@Fred Welsh Grindy for sure. Main reason I quit playing them. Flyff was better than Fiesta couldn't really get into that one. Played Flyff with my daughter for a while but yea it was really flawed I did like the art style more in Flyff. Not sure why I said Fiesta was better.

[@exodore2000]

@Fred Welsh Yea I will say stuff like Cyberpunk is ruining the industry. Release unfinished buggy games because we can fix it later. What ever happened to games working day one? MMos not being the best example of this all had rocky starts Wow included.

[@exodore2000]

@Fred Welsh I hope so. Your right the MMos changing is true as well I started with Ultima online, Everquest, FFXI, Played wow during burning crusade, played ESO Guild wars 2, COH Hello Kitty online adventures. So I've played a few and am willing to try new ones. I was playing one the other day for no other reason than it pays out in bit coin.

[@SquaulDuNeant]

@@exodore2000 lol

[@josephhoran3956]

Old WoW icons with a recolouring, and the font is Lord of the Rings cinematic font.

[@bvbxiong5791]

yup. you can still see them when you create macros. the process lets you scroll through tons of new and old icons to use.

[@jeremysmith9291]

The purple one with the hood I know I've seen can't place where for sure don't recognize any of the others but they all give a distinctly WoW vibe. My brother played more than I did so it's not surprising I wouldn't remember clearly.

[@hahaannare]

They also look like some of the old league of legends icons

[@rickyduck]

@@jeremysmith9291 cheers for that incredibly informative comment, you've succinctly answered all our questions, thank you.

[@jeremysmith9291]

@@rickyduck you know I think that you are absolutely welcome and I believe that I want you to have a nice day

[@KiloShank]

The jittering enemies is extremely unoptimized code. The enemies move normally server side, then their positions get shipped off to you one at a time. You are only seeing them when they update.

[@Depressed_Spider]

The way they move gives me slight Baldi's Basics vibes to be honest.

[@Vaelosh466]

The bizarre part is that the NPC movement is fine, maybe because the enemy movement is somewhat random that breaks whatever basic server/client movement library the game is using. Or when he implemented random movement he failed to hook it back into said library properly. Actually thinking about it more, maybe the server randomly moves them by picking a new location, and by then it's too late for the client to smoothly animate them from one place to the other since they are already at the new location. So basically he never implemented gradual movement along the intended line.

[@Aichi1138]

Basically watching this series in reverse order, really makes me wish for a full "Worst MMO Ever" tier list Ranked from "Almost actually a good game" to "Litterally unplayable without any hyperbole"

[@WizardofTruth]

Statlrted that way. But then I went to watch them in order

[@calemr]

Defiance 2050 is both of those things. Since it Used to be decent, and now it's Literally unplayable, since the servers shut down.

[@ExamplePrime]

At the 100th MMO this should be a thing

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

And then a rank for games like Warframe. Great game, poor MMO.

[@crocodilerock4662]

Same

[@ItsJustMe0585]

"Come on Pineapple, lets go on an adventure" Man, that's so heartbreaking and hilarious and pretty much sums up the game.

[@redtwist1372]

"This game is free and thats still overpriced" got to remember that one

[@OverseerXIII]

Reminds me of a quote that went "This toy was given to me for free and I still feel ripped off."

[@AmbientSounds205]

Time is a resource

[@slevinchannel7589]

Steam is so shitty that they have no Standarts and even the worst Pre-Pre-Pre-Alpha stuff can be listed. Same for Netflix, tbh.

[@gagne6928]

@@slevinchannel7589 the difference is that you pay for Netflix. I would much rather have less restrictive terms on steam than more restrictive imo

[@BigPuddin]

@@gagne6928 I honestly don't know which I'd prefer. I can see both sides of the argument. Quality control and creative freedom. If the former becomes predominant, creativity can be stifled with games taking a turn for the derivatively safe and generic. To the latter, they could just end up clogging Steam with an endless tide of pure garbage that discourages people from even taking a chance on a game they're not familiar with due to it being a complete gamble. The two hour refund policy seems like a reasonable compromise.

[@YaboiBrent07]

Josh: “If you expect my money, I expect your quality.” Exactly. Put perfectly!

[@billcross2432]

Doesn't a free to play NOT expect your money?

[@lemonlupinreuben5362]

@@billcross2432 they just expect it in other ways

[@MarkDeSade100]

@@billcross2432 Absolutely not. All "free to play" games are designed to get people to spend way more money than they would if they just bought the game outright for a one-time fee.

[@Jrock420blam]

@@billcross2432 sorry to break it to you but there is no such thing as free to play. Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the MMO business but these games are always designed to need players to invest money and mass amounts of time to get anywhere.

[@lunaeons45]

@billcross2432 no they still expect money they just don't expect every single player will pay money, so they focus on microtransections to allow the whales to help fund the game

[@williamhououin]

The first quest was called “prepare for the worst” ... it’s maybe the dev trying to warn you ! Ps. Great vid as always :)

[@Zehutsumei]

A curator group I'm in received keys for this game and we tried it out. More than one person couldn't be in a server at once and it would constantly crashed. I reported the bug to the dev and he was pretty grateful. We jabbed back and forth for a bit about the quality and he seemed like a cool dude. Even gave me a new key when I removed it from my account. Shame that he's basically locked himself down since then. It seemed like he was actively trying to make this game, probably got way in over his head.

[@hermitxIII]

Were you all playing on the same wifi? I bet the problem was you were all using the same port, which is why the game would crash when another player tried to join. This is very common issue I've encountered in a lot of old games that use TCP/IP. Undoubtedly this guy was out of his depth.

[@Zehutsumei]

@@hermitxIII Considering we both lived in different provinces, that wouldn't be the case. His servers just weren't good

[@billcross2432]

Yea i've seen this happen before with online servers. Why online games suck sometimes. Recently i did the AQ gates opening in WoW and the servers couldn't handle it. 4-5 seconds delay in every action. So did the dev fix the server issue? Sounds like they did? So they did 100% what every dev does and finds bug and fixes it? You all talk like this is unique problem to this game lmao

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@billcross2432 No one said that. They said it's an issue for this game.

[@steveescher1554]

One of the hardest, if not the hardest Genre to make a game in

[@stungunnotapplicable1953]

Looks like the developer's channel had all content nuked. Even the comments on this video because I can't find them anywhere -- I did find one of Josh's replies to one of his comments, but the comment itself is just... gone. All his videos are either deleted, unlisted, or privated as his channel is completely empty. EDIT: The Reddit has also been privated, too. Someone is *really* embarassed.

[@suspiciouslynx7716]

It's a shame really. I think the purpose of the series is to critique, not bully. The dev of this game did a better job than I could do, certainly. Shame he took it the way he did instead of using the advice to better his game.

[@dielaberbrudergaming6288]

@@suspiciouslynx7716 i agree, but not with the "The dev of this game did a better job than I could do" part, if you can download the unreal engine 4, start it, buy a bunch of assets, place them in the game and NOT release it as a full game and use microtransactions you did a better job.

[@Puerco-Potter]

@@dielaberbrudergaming6288 that's a gruesome simplification, this still took a lot of hours over weeks or months to put together

[@dielaberbrudergaming6288]

@@Puerco-Potter its not, its just what this game is.And we will never know, because the dev ran away and we dont know what assets he used, maybe the whole game was one and he just placed it in a empty project, that takes a few to a day to do.

[@mikoto7693]

Wow Stungun I'm only surprised the devs realised Strife Hayes covered the game. I understand him/her being embarrassed enough to hide though. All that being said I'm kind of tempted try to make my own game as an amateur hobby. Maybe start with RPG maker of some sort because writing is my strong point. I could write a decent RPG.

[@bertiedev6478]

everytime i watch these i picture some little kid 12-13 years old super proud about creating a game and gets excited to see someone reviewing their game on youtube only to have their heart ripped out from their chest and stamped on for 30 minutes lol

[@Jrock420blam]

I think we all wish that was the case because it would be easier to excuse so much of these games.

[@scintillam_dei]

It was probably uploaded on the 1st of April.

[@darrellgardner4561]

Kind of my thought, it feels like an early 2000s browser flash game. A game made by some kid who doesn't fully understand game design. Definitely not the case though, seeing as there is a premium shop.

[@desolateink7729]

“I’ve seen that font I just don’t know form where” the LOTR poster behind him: am I a joke to you?

[@davidjericho4815]

With five more years of development, Dreamworld might achieve this!

[@dakotashroom5401]

"Age of Amnesia" is a good name for this game's concept from what I have seen. A kingdom under siege by constructs summoned by a powerful spellcaster. The citizens have forgotten who they are so they hide their appearance with robes. You, player, must slay the enemies threatening the kingdom and defeat the powerful bad guy to return peace to the land. The quest givers even forget you have completed their quest making some quests repeatable.

[@lenkagamine4145]

I feel moderately insulted that my fantasy worlds I made when I was a teen are being compared to this game

[@cuchulainn3309]

Len? You're alive? Hun, thought you got executed in you're sister's place? (Servant of Evil)

[@AdminAbuse]

@@cuchulainn3309 your* sister's

[@janrautenstrauch4729]

"Come on pineapple, let's go on an adventure" is now one of my favorite sentences.

[@JackBread]

I absolutely love the lonely "hello?" sitting in the chatbox for most of the video

[@garypatterson2857]

The icons are from asset packs by Rexard, a great designer who sells them on various stores, and has appeared on Humble Bundle a few times.

[@JaimeWarlock]

Yes, I have seen them in several online stores that sell virtual art for use in your product.

[@esp-music]

they really look like WC3 icons to me, so the designer totally nailed it

[@hypersloth8139]

@@esp-music same. so much so that i went back and looked through every single WC3 icon to see if I could find one of them, but no. Extremely close to that style tho

[@FG3000]

Hope youre gonna cover New World. Be nice to see your thoughts on something brand new in addition to these old stinkers.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Ill give it a go when its out :)

[@ArxosFX]

@Derrick Henrik stfu

[@symmetrie_bruch]

@@JoshStrifeHayes i don´t even care about mmos and still watch your channel for the entertaining scripts and the ludicrous stuff people actually play and more frightengly even gladly pay for. anyway as a fan of diablo the only game that would intrigue me enough to actually play myself is path of exile would love to see your take on that.

[@LeeFromAsia]

@Derrick Henrik Wow! Your "girlfriend" must love you.

[@XraynPR]

@@LeeFromAsia these annoying bot posts are everywhere

[@localcrackdealer4723]

Why do i binge ur channel? I dont even play mmos Interesting content anyway Greetings from germany

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Glad you're enjoying the stuff man. Hope things are going well in Germany.

[@localcrackdealer4723]

@@JoshStrifeHayes cant wait for otherlands part3 This game is a fever dream come true

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

@@localcrackdealer4723 that video will be uploaded later, hopefully today, and premier next thursday, im excited to see where the series goes to :)

[@mikoto7693]

@@JoshStrifeHayes I discovered your channel a few days ago and I'm enjoying the this series in particular but you make great vids. I've been dipping in and out of MMOs for years now. My first MMO love was Final Fantasy 11 in which I spent years before eventually ending my sub after not logging in for months. I've come and gone for weeks and months at a time with Star Trek Online. (Oh how Cryptic needs a good writer! I'd do it!) I've dabbled with ESO but something doesn't seem to quite fit with me. I think it might be related to the fact I can't beat it all on my own and sometimes have to wait for other people to be doing the same quest and fighting the same boss so we overpower it together that undoes me. I love the lore but the game play can be unpleasant. I play Fallout 76 regularly since wastelanders made it decent and steel dawn made it good but not great but I burn through the new content too fast. (Even burnt through most of the old content which was basically "follow the trail of bodies to learn how each group of people died long before I could save them." Depressing. I'm meant to be a hero not an archaeologist. But as of a couple months ago or so I fell in love with Final Fantasy 14. Perhaps not a surprise but it's almost everything I want in an MMO. it was looking for FF14 vids that got me to stumble across your channel. Did you ever play FF14?

[@1un4cy]

Great way to see what doesn't work and how to do things wrong. When a game does things right we tend to not even notice and take it for granted.

[@raccoonja5905]

I think I used those giant crystals in the citadel as decoration in one of my student projects that was made exactly at the same time "Bloodlines of Prima" released (It was "create your first First-Person game in Unity"). The cystals are free in the unity store and have multiple really cool looking materials that aren't used here. So the person, who made the game probably only got free assets and slapped them together. And I have to say that all the games we made in one month looked better that this. They didn't even bother with giving every material the right amount of reflection. This definity doesn't look like it was made in 2020.

[@SoulFoxie]

Josh: "This Worst MMO series will continue,but it's gonna take one HELL of a bad game to top this" Fiesta Online: "Hold my Beer"

[@joejo4549]

Fiesta isn't nearly as bad as this

[@Jrock420blam]

@@joejo4549 yeah Fiesta was bad but no way is it worse than this pile

[@keiyangoshin3650]

I’m impressed at your patience. This game seems like an experiment gone wrong lol. Judging from the comments below, including one from the game developer themselves, that was actually the case. But then, surely the ‘game’ should be announced as such? The micro transactions detail is the part that bothers me the most lol. Thank you for this video. Stay safe. ❤️

[@Seyes17]

A wild giraffe

[@billcross2432]

The part that its free to play is the part that should bother u the least. If they charged upfront that should worry you. It's like you got free entry into a sketchy theme park and then decided that bothers you more then if you paid upfront. Either way it wasn't hard to see what the park was from the outside? lol we dont need to handhold more snowflakes man this was an easy game to avoid. No way anyone paid for anything in this unless they supported the creator.

[@Nerobyrne]

from what I can tell, it seems like this was made by a single person. So, it is likely more of a proof of concept/learning project. He basically made an entire MMO which runs, including a cash shop, sans actual content. The game itself is crap, but if you showed this to a dev studio, they'd probably hire you immediately. Not because the game is great, but because you built it all by yourself.

[@BigPuddin]

@@Nerobyrne No, not really. The entire game is just a shitplastering of generic asset packs. There's nothing original in this entire fucking game. It's Steam shovelware intended to turn a quick profit.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@BigPuddin yes of course, I'm talking about the game's code and the back end. Who the hell things this will make any money?

[@blundy1]

When the meta is walking backwards, you know the game is going to be "good."

[@elitereptilian200]

Backpedal the Invincible

[@Copper-P]

I mean the classic doom meta is just "walk in a circle" but its still amazing

[@billcross2432]

If only this game didn't call itself an mmo, then it might have fans lol. But calling it an MMO made us Runescape low lifes salty that we don't wanna play new games and if people push MMOs in new directions we might lose the 2000 people that still play old MMOs kek

[@JPG.01]

That "that's what she said" joke out of nowhere really took me by surprise.

[@Bensaret.]

The anger in his voice as he said it made me lose it.

[@sourestcake]

I would guess the enemies move like that because they're not interpolated or predicted on the client-side, so they just stay in the same position until a new one comes fom the server. I've been programming a multiplayer game recently, so it looks very familiar.

[@desanimoosrs6443]

I have a sneaking suspicion that this game was automatically generated by a sentient AI.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Steam is so shitty that they have no Standarts and even the worst Pre-Pre-Pre-Alpha stuff can be listed. Same for Netflix, tbh.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@slevinchannel7589 What, what a "curated store" like Epic Game Store? Where they curate to make sure all the games are the worst shit you're ever had the misfortune of playing?

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@somerandomgamer8504 ??

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@slevinchannel7589 "Curating" a store to make sure it has "standards" doesn't exactly work.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@somerandomgamer8504 But standarts do exist, so i dont quite get your point? Are you arguing that its impossible - even though others totally do it and are, in fact, not as shitty as Steam and Netflix? ?

[@dr.claudiafinch1088]

If I had to come up with a plot for the game it would be as follows; Long ago there was a war between mages that created monsters of elements called Golems (let's be honest the monsters you're fighting at the beginning look like elemental golems. I would call them golems.) The war left the world mostly barren and lifeless where hardly anything could grow. Small pockets of civilization remained, refusing to give up their traditional way of life before the war. The remaining mages created the sky disc you see in game. The only place where safety is guaranteed for people. You are a hero meant to cleanse the world of the corruption which remains from the war so that the barren wastelands could once again flourish with life. The wardens would exist as either bosses or mini bosses. I know little to nothing about making a game but I do know that plot is important.

[@julife.ka.3899]

check out 19:26 some nps are actually called like that! good job on interpreting it correctly and writing a tory about it

[@brightshadow9480]

The icons are part of a icon pack available in the Unity asset store.

[@Reac2]

They had a reddit noone posted on but themselves. They had a KZbin channel where they did updates until they realized nobody cared. They had a Twitch channel ,where they presumable streamed dev podcasts or programming or SOMETHING. This is not an MMO, this is not a dead game. This is the graveyard where ambition was laid to rest. Though with good reason for failure ,its always sad to see people fail at realizing their dreams, even if not well thought out

[@larrymantic2635]

It’s a Necromancy Aftermath, all the bits of dead cobbled together assets (referring to the Unity assets used) powered by greed (the Microtransactions) just fell apart.

[@bunny7741]

You put more thought and care to your character's demise at the end than the developer spent on the whole game lore.

[@Violentic81]

This actually a good example, for you wanna do a game, dont start with huge landscape mmo and all its posibilities. The chance, that your project ist destroying you, is higher then getiing wet, when swimming.

[@derekrequiem4359]

I did some searching, and found out that this game's servers shut down less than 10 months after it released... Can't say that I'm surprised.

[@thatchanguy]

I get it now: Dreamworld is a Bloodlines of Prima simulator!

[@bananatron6930]

This feels like a dream about wandering through a modern art gallery.

[@bellicose4653]

When I was 12 or 13, I used the Homeworld map editor to create a map of empty space as large as possible. It brought the game engine to its limit. The fastest ship in the game, the probe, would take hours to cross this empty void (or I assume, I didn't stick around to see how long it would actually take). Compare this to a normal playable map, where a probe could cross it in 20 seconds. It was fun to mess around, but yeah, definitely not something to actually play on.

[@cesar_8336]

13:00 These icons are from "Skill Icon Pack" by Rexard. They can be bought in many online shops, like Envato Market.

[@The_Peter_Channel]

That "hello?" in the bottom left corner is extremely, uncomfortably haunting. Like getting banished into a random pocket dimension of... this and try to find someone to at least have company. But there is no reply. Ever. EVER.

[@Nythlin]

This is a great video to show my new first year game dev students

[@evaldaszmitra7322]

To be fair the next line should be: "I know you are all ambitious, but if your first game turns out at least as good as this I will give you a pass". There's a lot of stuff that's not easy to code in here.

[@GodwynDi]

@@evaldaszmitra7322 For a student project it would be excellent.

[@Blue_Sonnet]

@Evagast - Next lesson: How to respond to criticism (guest speaker - Jim S. Sterling) Case Studies: Digital Homicide FNAF

[@brianviktor8212]

When I heard him point out "lifeless area", I knew the rating would be lifeless area/10 at the end.

[@mercster]

I'm gonna play this game, buy as much premium currency as I can, and no-life it for 3 years. Thanks for telling us about it.

[@JDReC100]

go beyond plus ultra

[@zeta9743]

Godspeed, you crazy soldier.

[@NightWatch652]

Any update? How's that first year going?

[@mercster]

@@NightWatch652 Good news, I'm the most dominant player on the server. Bad news, I'm $123,000 in debt.

[@DebtBuysFreedumb]

@@mercster That one other player on the server didn't stand a chance.

[@zeino9952]

"Someone cut up a book and then handed it to me." That can be done better than this, the first book of Robert Anton Willson's Illuminatus! series is a perfect example.

[@Eliwood407]

Where is the developer's comment mentioned in the Fiesta video? Did they remove it?

[@Traveler-VII]

I could be wrong, but it would seem so. It's a shame too, cause I was really curious to see what people thought of that one.

[@hipno12]

I went to steam, and this game actually has positive reviews.. who are these people?

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

They are liars

[@biggshoverwelder3690]

People on meth?

[@Mystic_Apollo]

Bots

[@ItsJustMe0585]

The developers, themselves?

[@ian.ion.]

I can only assume they've accidentally reviewed the wrong game. Either that, or they were bribed 🤔

[@Eincrou]

The text chat of JSH asking, "hello?" first appears at 7:34. The question remains unanswered for the remainder of the video. Live servers; dead game. EDIT: Offline servers, dead game. The game's current description on Steam just says: "-Servers are going offline 12/29/20! Thanks for your support and contact us if you need anything else." The game is unplayable, but the developer has not requested it be delisted.

[@Numinon]

I love obscure games like this so much and I have no idea why, but either way I hope making them never stops going out of fashion

[@macfire19]

Something almost all game developers will say to newcomers: "Don't commercialize your first project." Even if you think it turned out really well, it's normally a bad idea, and if it doesn't do well it will permanently affect your future games' marketing success. If you make a little test project just trying to figure out how the Unity editor works, you DEFINITELY don't try to commercialize it. Or it ends up like this, and ruins any potential future you had as a dev. Josh is right with his thought that this was simply a bunch of assets thrown together. You can find every art asset used, the day and night cycle system, the inventory system, the player controller system, the AI handler, the terrain tools, the particles, the LOD system, *everything* you can find on the asset store. It likely also used bought assets to deal with the "MMO" part of the system, all the way down to pre-made netcoding (there's a few of these out there). The amount of work the game designer had done with this project looks like it could very easily be done in a single afternoon. The fact that the developer decided to push this project on steam as a finished and commercial product shows that there is no pride in this. Nobody would present their project in this state and say "Yup, this is great and I think it is time to try to sell it" without undermining their conscience. *Edit* This actually might be made in Unreal. Either way, similar idea still applies. Bought (or free) assets, shoved together with next to zero game design to actually utilize said assets.

[@creativedesignation7880]

"Why doesn't it have a story? If you are making a game and you get to a release date and you realize you forgot to add the story: consider not releasing your game." Yep, that would have helped New World a lot.

[@enderkatze6129]

I'm fairly Sure the music of this Game also occurs in Age of Civilisations 2, because it's a free-to-use track.

[@hansnorleaf]

I find it quite poetic that a contender for worst mmo ever has a first quest titled: "Prepare for the Worst". Thats showing a degree of introspection and a willingness to be honest about it...

[@CharlyKrahmer]

I don't see anyone responding, so... All the skill icons come from Warcraft III. If you played DotA you should know them.

[@crazybub11]

So glad I discovered your channel. I'm loving these vids, its oddly intriguing to see you torture yourself playing horrible games

[@donkylefernandez4680]

This game feels like someone wanted to make a quick buck, had too much fun designing a game, then realized they didn't have the talent, resources, or tenacity to make a real game and now uses the donations as an excuse to say the game was a scam all along.

[@AunCollective]

I feel sorry for the developer (or 2) of many of these small titles. Bloodlines of Prima was buy to play recently, with purchasable items, and no obvious alpha label, so not so much empathy for this one specifically. .. and right before i type send, you said the same.

[@hipsu555]

Take a look at games like Banished. Only one person did this game and its still 1000x better. Just because you are alone the game dosnt have to be bad. This game is bad because the devs are lazy and bad at their job

[@billcross2432]

@@hipsu555 lol wtf banished is skill buggy and "It was released for Microsoft Windows on February 18, 2014", thats hilarious. Is it even multiplayer or just a boilerplate single player RTS with additional settings in the UI? LOLOL

[@ArvelDreth]

Those icons have actually been used in a variety of games. That purple one on the bottom, second from the left, is one of the spell icons in Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2. It's used for the necromancer spell called Dark Possession.

[@TheBrazilRules]

I have to say thought, that cloud animation looks really nice. Is it something standard from Unity like the day cycle?

[@GregtheMad]

I love how this is 30minutes of flaming at this game, but in later videos he kinda fondly remembers it because some cooperate output MMOs have even less soul than this.

[@svetlinsvilenov8739]

The way the player moves with delay... I'm half-certain that's the standard FPS controller Unity has. The only way to be certain is to double press the space key and see if the character jumps 2 times, but I don't want to download the "game" and test it myself :D Edit: Josh, you probably know a lot of the things in the game because everything is from the Unity asset store.

[@Jrock420blam]

yeah I didn't see a single assets that wasn't directly from the Unity store. A lot of these games are bad but there is a hint of personality to them, something that is their own. This is literally a poorly put together unity mmo

[@1un4cy]

The most surprising thing about that "game" is that it has mixed reviews and not overwhelmingly negative.

[@billcross2432]

Well thats because its only really bad to mmo players, your avg quake/unreal player was fine. One of the negative reviews is literally about getting killed in the starter zone and other players making fun of him in the comments.

[@thizlam4810]

@@billcross2432 you’re not seriously white knighting for this game, are you? 😂

[@billcross2432]

@@thizlam4810 This just seems like Rust to me idk i get the feeling the kids here would cry about rust nearly the same way

[@sheo3394]

@@billcross2432 Rust is less glitchy and better made. This is shit.

[@Bonlaws]

"If you're making a game and you get to a release date and you realize you forgot to add the story, consider not releasing your game" Warframe wants to have a chat with you Josh

[@dirtyshinobii]

And warframe is absolutely awful.

[@Bonlaws]

@@dirtyshinobii I respect your opinion, but steam charts and awards say a lot of people enjoy it enough for the studio to start working on a sequel

[@dirtyshinobii]

@@Bonlaws so does fifa lol

[@Bonlaws]

@@dirtyshinobii And in the realm of football games, fifa is probably a good game, just monetized to hell

[@dirtyshinobii]

ctrl c + ctrl v@@Bonlaws

[@DainnGreywall]

The bottom most left icon at 13:10 is without a doubt the reincarnation icon from world of Warcraft. That's hilarious. I think the wing one is also from WoW, but I could be mistaken... swear I've seen the top most left one too.

[@vizthex]

aw man, the pinned comment from the dev is gone :c

[@DevilLobster]

I know people trash the whole "WoW clone" type of design, but when shit like this comes around, suddenly it doesn't look so bad, eh folks?

[@lenkagamine4145]

for a given level of developer competency, I'd still prefer a unique concept to a rehash. This game is clearly awful, but even if they put the same amount of effort into making a WoW clone it would still be awful. And conversely if a very talented WoW clone developer put their effort into making whatever this game was trying to be, it probably would turn out decently.

[@billcross2432]

​@@lenkagamine4145 That why we need licenses for Gamedevs. Then we can control who makes games better. If you didn't go to gamedev school sorry you don't get to make games.

[@Thor-Orion]

Dumb take.

[@kissmyaft]

No. It still looks terrible. WoW clone is one the worst things ever, somewhere between child molestation and cannibalism in the list of terrible things.

[@blackice9088]

I noticed that the tall grass instead of swaying in the wind actually moves back and forth across the surface of the ground...

[@giz-moe4175]

Icons are from Monster Slayers. I don't know if that is the original owner of the icons but the same icons are in that game.

[@AunCollective]

I collect MMO media, files, patches, server-side leaks, emu/private server content, etc. When i get home, I send you a list of obscure recommendations.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Cheers meg, thatd be awesome!

[@AunCollective]

@@JoshStrifeHayes It's actually Egg here. Meg's my wife who gets dragged into games like Bloodlines of Prima so I can actually test them out and record footage, and she also helps out with other stuff with the channel. Here's a rough list of games, categorized by the reason why they might be a good game to check out for your show. I've put at least an hour into each one, too. "Retro-inspired MMORPGs": - Kaion Tale - 8BitMMO (Meg & I actually like this game occasionally, but it's definitely not top tier, polished game) Are these the same game?! - Dragon Awaken, Dragon Blood, Dragon Glory -- if I remember correctly, these 3 might be the same game listed 3 separate times on Steam, or at least they are identical enough to seem the same from memory Some random others: - Eternal Magic (a newer release.. not sure if you covered it or not, but the level of quality is such that my wife overheard the sound effect of a boar-like creature and asked why I was playing WoW classic without her.. and she's pretty much a noob to MMORPGs). - Ever Jane - it's unique and has a great community. The game itself.. I'll let you decide :) - Inferno Wizards - one of those small team (might be just one guy) projects. my wife completed the content included in the game, making it the only MMORPG that she has ever finished the main content for. There's some promise here, but the release on Steam - as is - is a bit underwhelming - Endless Online - it's still alive, and even the people I've talked to who still play it have told me that they wouldn't recommend it - Horse Riding Tales (PC version) - it came up as an MMORPG recommendation on Steam for me. Read some of the Steam discussions about issues PC users have had with this one. A bit of a stretch for "MMORPG", though A few I actually really enjoy: I love Neocron Evolution, Darkfall: Rise of Agon, and Mortal Online -- all 3 making my subjective top 20 favorite MMORPGs to play list -- but I know they all have issues. Not really "worst mmorpgs ever', but definitely a set of games that seem fitting for your series. I love the series. With Steam, you definitely won't run out of bad MMORPGs any time soon.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

@@AunCollective thanks egg, much appriciated! Ill add them to the list and make sure to mention you when i get around to playing them!

[@MrRayhonda]

I can confirm at least the sky is a purchased asset. It's Enviro. I use it in the MMO I'm making as well because it's amazing and saves time making a whole day and night system. I've even worked with the creator of the sky asset to produce some custom results for it for my game and went to integrate it further in a way that actually effects the world when the weather changes etc. Buying assets to help imo isn't a bad thing 100%. They're helpful and at least the creator makes some sort of a living offering tools/services to those who need aid in making games but we're at least making 99% of the assets and implementing everything in a way that is our own. Games like these just hurt. It could be worse though, there are packs out there that have the fundamentals of a game genre and a demo scene which people have released as their own game for money lol As for the icons, I've seen them before too but I cannot remember where. Most likely a pack from an asset store. I hope they're not actually stolen XD Great vid as usual!

[@wolfdwarf]

-Servers are going offline 12/29/20 for good! Thanks for your support!

[@daveknight3012]

Love these videos haha. They inspire me to just throw together something that is better yet somehow worse . . . Intentionally just for the fun of it as a joke (a free joke of course hahah). The only downside is it does cost money to keep servers active, and it is for that reason I'm surprised how many of these games are still accessible with basically no players.

[@jonmcnamara]

The reveal that the blue/black gate (which looks like a placeholder missing texture) was actually bricks was... awful.. Like jesus christ..

[@HowBigistheMap]

I really like your videos!! Talking about the worst mmo ever, I think "A Tale in the Desert" is the worst of the worst.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

I've heard of that but never played, ill add it to the list!

[@LaylaSpellwind]

James Stephanie Sterling fans will recognise games like this as an Asset Flip.

[@Rakka5]

I think a comment reply made on the Steam Store page by a developer just shows what this game truly was: Dummmy [developer] Posted: 6 May, 2020 @ 3:47pm Thanks for the good review! This feedback is what makes us destroy other game devs, we instantly listen and implement. It’s nice to get something that isn't a one liner. A few of your concerns are fixed in the next patch and others will make it to the next one. I plan on taking most of your feedback to heart. Just two of us working on this and we are gamers. It’s been a challenge to not make it too hardcore. We both play Rust, DayZ and a lot of hardcore games so balance has not been easy. Agility augments projectile speed and movement speed so much I’ve had to nerf it twice. Maybe I can give lower levels an extra speed buff till they reach higher levels. Then we are cutting quest goals in half and doubling harvestable spawns. This is temporary until the new world and quest are finished being built. Will also test today doubling hunger and thirst and turning energy regen up. The two of us plan to spend the rest of our lives working on some variation of this game. One of our favorite games, WoW has been around for 20 years. That should be an easy goal. We have already spent 3 years on the game, and we just started the grind. We have double and triple downed on doing this forever. I work in construction by trade and I just put back 100$ a month and keep the servers running. Remember the next time a game shuts servers down because of cost, mine are still running for the 2 other players LOL I hope we can win you back one day. You probably won't recognize the game in the slightest, even if you try a month from now. One day we will become monsters of a game thanks to feedback like this.

[@lewislovelord8977]

Famous last words...

[@B-...]

Props to you for spending more time playing this game than the person spent making it.

[@billcross2432]

Too bad he didn't put any time into this youtube channel. Or better yet, he should make actual content that's not clickbait. Oh wait that requires skill not just time. I'm just saying this guy who made the video and the guy who made the game clearly lack skills. Of course the game was on steam and this guy is on youtube so that fits that lol. The minute this crap goes mainstream we got a problem. But I think we are safe low quality content should stay down.

[@B-...]

@@billcross2432 ... lol. You should ask for a refund.

[@ryokiritani4187]

@@B-... on what? His life?

[@KazumiKiguma]

One of the first bits of music that played, when he complimented the music, I've literally heard used during early Critical Role, which means it's just from a generic set of fantasy themes with no copyright to worry about.

[@HollowTomajikate]

6:40 I literally, literally thought this was just cause my PC was bad. I was like: Oh I just can't run it. I had nobody else to talk to to confirm this wasn't just me until now...

[@alexalive9742]

We've had better maps drawn by hand DND in-session.

[@billcross2432]

I think hand drawn maps are always better? In-game maps that are overhead shots of the world always suck imo So yea of course you made a better map lol

[@thizlam4810]

@@billcross2432 the map in this game was hand drawn and terrible, that’s kind of the point he was making.

[@georganatoly6646]

the developer no doubt knew it wasn't good so I have to respect to some degree the amount of time and effort they put in, at least now they can legitimately list this as a credential on their resume where most give up on such projects

[@Jrock420blam]

the question is how much time and effort did they put in? All the assets were obtained from a couple humble bundles, watching his playthrough here nothing in the game was created by the developer. Honestly 70% of it comes directly from Rexard's Unity Assets

[@georganatoly6646]

​@@Jrock420blam I suppose then it depends what you're primary goal in creating a game is, are you wanting to be an artist and create the graphical assets from scratch? are you a storywriter wanting to explore an interactive medium? are you a programmer and your primary interest is game logic/creating the fundamental logical rules of the game? are you a software engineer and you're interested in creating your own game engine? a level designer? or your primary interest is sound? networking, creating the logic that defines the interactive experience? -- any who, point being there are so many different primary interests at play here it doesn't matter what set you choose you're going to be using premade assets to varying degrees no matter what, that alone has nothing to do with the quality or intended experience the creator was aiming for ✨

[@JustWowNick]

Rest In Peace developers comment. It will be missed.

[@dosbilliam]

As a game designer myself, just looking at some of this ingame footage makes me think that whoever designed it did just plop things down in some sort of half-assed attempt at creating a game world without any care in the world. In my own work, I probably spent more time working on the layout of the PC's house or the atmosphere of the shops in the first town than the creator of this spent on the game. I was also using RPGMaker and the basic assets while doing that. x.x

[@Octokaizer]

Can confirm that repeatedly walking through an airplane hangar is not fun.

[@klutterkicker]

The graphics remind me so hard me of indie '90s / early '00s games so I'm getting a nostagia trip here despite never having played this game.

[@zyghy_782]

This game is a nightmare. Literally a bad dream that you have after a bad day. The whole game design, the shapes of everything in the game, the colors, the monsters.. This is the kind of dream that makes you say "What the fuck did i just dream about and how my brain came up with something like that" when you wake up.

[@darkgather2808]

im trying to make a small RPG and boy your reviewing bad mmo rpg helps me make right choices for the game, your reviews are very helpful and informative . thank you josh

[@lagartijamuerta]

Good luck with development!

[@darkgather2808]

@@lagartijamuerta thanks , hopefully share it at discord when its good enough

[@wikia9278]

9:16 i'm dying dude the doctor is a ninja???????

[@Agencetourix]

I disagree...the game totally has anesthetic. Just watching it makes me sleepy.

[@RiveroftheWither]

Good on you, that's genuinely one of the most witty jokes I've heard in awhile.

[@perfectchaosone8253]

The "nice touch" of projectiles colliding and cancelling each other out was definitely not intentional.

[@ttabood7462]

If you ever made merch, "This is dire!" Would make a great fitted cap. I mean, I'd buy one. 😁

[@SillyGirlKisser74]

''come on pinapple, let's go on an adventure'' god I wish someone told that to me

[@CaIasanctius]

its odd binging his videos. after a while all these mmo's start to look alike. especially this one. it actually looks very similar to a recent crowdfunded mmo called dreamworld.

[@WorldGoods]

If only younger josh would know the depths he would plumb for this series

[@Tesserakt8]

I will say I miss the Ever Quest days of mediating for mana and hp. Gave time to get to know the players on your server. Though it is bad game design but I made good friends playing having to wait till the next pull or encounter.

[@Jrock420blam]

It is lazy game design to pad out time leveling but it back then it was more acceptable because we didn't know better and also games that have a solid community make it less noticeable because you can be talking and having fun while waiting. Dead games just have huge dead periods and there is nothing to make the wait any better

[@Tesserakt8]

@@Jrock420blam yea absolutely padding levels as content is bs but back in the day I enjoyed making friends and being apart of a server community than just playing the game.

[@Jrock420blam]

@@Tesserakt8 It has been a LONG time but I remember the old star wars MMO being similar, the communities of Everquest and that SW MMO were so engaging, fun and helpful that the wait wasn't even noticeable and often times people would come to help out or even keep company in person and then working together there is no waiting. Those were objectively better games than any of these but it really goes to show how much a healthy community makes a game better even with flaws

[@Tesserakt8]

@@Jrock420blam oh galaxies was a legit community game. Their first few iterations were the best but they ended up changing too much. The idea that becoming a jedi was actually a feat was awesome though cumbersome.

[@orian151]

So, I'm playing LOTRO on my main monitor, playing this in the background for the millionth time. Get to about the spot where Josh knows he's seen the font but can't remember where. That's absolutely the Lord of the Rings font, which can be downloaded under the name Ringbearer.

[@bensteward99]

I don't even like playing mmo games... just really like your videos!

[@bobscully1655]

Same here. No interest in playing MMOs at all in the slightest but can’t stop watching these vids.

[@gerrit6769]

There is a successor to this game. And now it integrates NFTs: "Sage Towers".

[@LihimSidhe]

"This game is free and even that is overpriced." Wow that was f**king gold! :)

[@HellcatM]

I can see this game being made by a 12 year old so proud of themselves and thinking "I'll make so much money off of this".

[@KasimierLP]

23:40 I like the lonely "Hello ?" in the Chat on the lower left corner. At this point i wonder what would have been worse, no answer or another human beeing actually playing this game