Joshua Schmidt Reacts to Ashened Reveal

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[@xavierdurham377]

Josh casually not mentioning Runick when he brings up field spell decks is a 5D chess kind of move lol

[@deathKkid]

Well, Hugin can protect the fieldspell, so there is that, people can chain a runick spell on veidos to make hugin and protect the fieldspell, if my ruling knowledge is correct. Ofc you can as the opponent anticipate the runick spell and wait for it, but well, that makes things kinda messy. It definitely isnt that easy against runicks imo

[@LS-qs9ju]

He did mention Runick later.

[@prinnyking4926]

​@deathKkid Hit them when the extra monster zone is filled with Sprind, I:P, S:P, Donpa, etc. There will be a point in combo when the extra monster zone is clogged by not-Hugin.

[@nigerianprinceajani]

​@@prinnyking4926 If you hit my Fountain on my turn there's a very high chance of me setting it up again. Even in MD where there is only 1 Fountain Geri is a thing.

[@Otzkar]

does the card even summon if the fieldspell didnt get destroyed?

[@RGARDL]

20:27 u do if u open with Awakening , u can place Obsidim from deck to their field zone and Island goes to grave , its not destroyed

[@SloopYGO]

i think its funny how the quick play adds any level 5+ dark pyros, because it seems generic but there are actually none outside of ashened

[@calumbishop7082]

So the Level 9, 'Veidos', is interesting in that it can be played outside of its archetype as a generic hand-trap. Against certain decks which are reliant on their field spell (cough, Fire King, cough) it can cause problems. Against certain cards which require you control no monsters to Special Summon (cough, Fenrir, cough) it can also cause problems. Also its worded in a way where your opponent can't really Link it off, since it causes a board wipe, which would require your opponent to either waste a negate or have their board wiped. It has applications. The rest of the archetype... needs a good second wave.

[@Rasalhage_handle]

as mentioned, trying to pop Fire King Island while Sanctuary is up lets them pop any Fire King in their hand.

[@colossaldonut5190]

Oh boy another TCG Exclusive archetype! I really hope this deck gets a good second wave of support that helps out the deck and develops it into a real archetype! Wait... I feel like I'm getting Deja Vu.

[@nightknight498]

If it wasn't for the Bonfire Tax I'd probably get my hands on those. They look really cool, their implied playstyle is interesting and they have this great niche with the Fieldspell disruption that can be relevant in a lot of matchups. I can already see them printing an Ashened Fusion that uses Pyro monsters on the field and gets some kind of protection and bonus when using the big guy. That sounds like something Konami would do.

[@colinduchilio4052]

For what its worth, i dont think Bonfire is needed at all in the Deck at present, as Priestess doesnt represent a 1 card combo, and also doesnt give you Veidos access. Instead you can just use a Wakaushi Engine to Access Infernal Flame Banshee, to add you any monster you could want, including Veidos.

[@voidlockdragon1406]

Yep an ashen fusion monster looks like the dirction they are heading. The field spell making all your opponent's monsters special summoned to be pyro seems like we are getting a fusion monster that can fuse with on both sides of the field. Also if veidoes is part of the material to summon the fusion, gives you some additional effect. For example, on summon destroy cards on the field based on the pyro monsters on both sides of the field, then if veidos was a mat for summon, banish those cards instead. Cannot be destroyed by card effects. During your opponent's turn quick effect, you can destroy a field spell, destroy all cards on the opponent's field. I think a link 1 or 2 monster for ashened would be good that would special summon veidos dragon from the deck to the opposing side. If veidoes is already on the opposing field, you can take control of it until the end of the turn. A effect like that would help with the consistency of the deck.

[@henbro271]

its funny because that is exactly what happened

[@cheekyklaude3366]

Cool thing about the Monsters is that they can be special summoned even without the Field Spell being on your field

[@001HK0]

With the Pyro lock I almost wanna just not go into the ED and play Dogmatika cards.

[@nigerianprinceajani]

Also Prospy for 6 feels good man

[@MiyaoMeow588]

I think this looks fine so far. I like the loop it sets up. One of the biggest issues is that it's not that easy to get to Veidos, and everything revolves around him. You have to open either him or the spell, and you'd much rather open the spell if possible

[@stefaniagerardo7562]

I think it shoul even need a way to recycle back into the deck the field spell because combo with the spell requires two of them which in the grind game could hurt no?

[@UBUB101]

​@@stefaniagerardo7562 The field spell recycles itself what do you mean

[@stefaniagerardo7562]

doesn't it say a monster?@@UBUB101

[@leodeleon3990]

Hopefully 2nd wave isn't like Tistina Wave..

[@TraumaCenter13]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. At least the artwork is top notch.

[@justarandomdudeintherabbithole]

​@@TraumaCenter13if the ocg cooked with it then you can expect it to be hella good

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

​@@justarandomdudeintherabbitholehaving to wait 6-8 months for the OCG to get it and cook to see if its worth playing after the first wave 😠

[@justarandomdudeintherabbithole]

@@ThatOneWeirdFlex and this is why we prefer the fresh released cards from ocg rather than tcg exclusives

[@karto1213]

The thumbnail is 10/10

[@rflxPoint]

Arguably one of the best underrated things about Veidos is it being a level 9, which makes it really awkward for using it as Xyz material to play around its Dark Hole effect, as well as there being no prominent Rank 9 deck or deck that uses rank 9s. Edit: though I can see people that run 8s playing Zombie Vampire since using a monster that your opponent owns but you control that has a level, it can be treated as level 8.

[@davidjimenez3822]

rare Dire W, Generaider can out this LETSFUCKINGGOOO

[@endeavor1299]

4:06 I do too. The deck would have actually needed the field spell to be a floodgate, to get at least the autowin card you mentioned later, but it's good to see fair card. However, it's sad to see such a cool deck being a chokepoint festival, and I need the coomunity to rename the boss dude "Veidos the Ashable Dragon"

[@catraadhyatmaka1463]

Hey plant and insect type just got their own circular😂.

[@ASecretLynn]

I feel like all this archetype needs to be good is a spell/trap searcher for the quickplay spell, and maybe a spell or quickplay spell as a better target for Priestess and the deck is good. Some kind of powerful turn 1 set up to back up with a "play into this and wipe your own board" effect. Add on top of that the combination of the quickplay and field spell can be a floodgates if you put it on your opponents field zone during their turn.

[@sakulugh]

I still would love to see an archetype around the Primineral Kongs/Apes ;D

[@TengoSuenho]

I seen people compare this Deck to War Rock and thats a streach. It may not be as good as Beetrooper or Gold Pride on their first wave, but it honestly feel better than Tistina with its 2 waves. And while it best starter has a harsh lock, is also the only card with any kind of lock, so I can it being used on AFD shennanigans

[@rashanmcrae9166]

This thing is way better than war rocks the only good thing about war rocks was the field spell

[@i55ed]

"better than war rock and tistina" is a bar so low it's underground

[@vamp567]

The Archetype actually pairs really well with Vanquish Soul

[@JustDatOneGuy]

how?

[@AndrewUdal]

Something interesting to mention is because Veidos specials to opponents field, cards like evenly and imperm can’t be used.

[@zenbozic6184]

this goes hard in fur hire, you can draw 3 during your first turn lets fking go

[@zenbozic6184]

nvm the pyro lock is pretty bad

[@RGARDL]

28:40 could play it with Volcanic

[@nyxnicks]

Awakening of Veidos would be soooo much better if it was a Ashened spell. Like you would be able to do the combo loop off of Priestess alone which you can't currently. Feels like they did that on purpose. Hopefully we get at least 4 more monsters to feel out the deck and a more field spells and continuous traps.

[@TheRoseReaper]

Bouta try a fun little gimmick with Volcanics using these cards.

[@darthscorn1]

I'm excited because I feel like Veidos shuts down Kash on it's own. Activate Wraithsoth, Chain Veidos. Stop the search and give them a body to prevent free summons

[@VORTEX___]

as you know kash players, they open ash to negate veidos anyways

[@thatwackycardgame5655]

The Trap really should have been placed face-up by Veidos, and allow the adding to be once per turn, not on activation. The quickplay should have also placed an Obsidm from the GY or Deck. Would have made this way better.

[@CSCH69]

the quick spell should have been a ashened card... why make it a stake your soul

[@thatwackycardgame5655]

@@CSCH69 Having it a non archetype card is probably best tbf. Makes it less splashable as an engine of sorts. Second wave will probably be fine. I can see a card saying “add a card that mentions veidos” happening.

[@chewdoom8415]

On the bright side, vedos seems like it will have use in future formats.

[@zenbozic6184]

wait its actually goated in F.A., you can pop your field spells for searches

[@rovad55]

I hate how we are comfortable with konami making any new tcg exclusive archetype always being downright unplayable and having us hope it has "potential" being good with next wave of support instead of it actually being playable immediately and we see it as something perfectly fine.

[@exotic9417]

Yeah it's the same with Deckbuild Packs nowadays *Deckbuild* Packs, not *buy the most expensive deck out of the three and hope the 2 waves of support make it playable* Packs

[@Mulcam29]

We've never had bad exclusives

[@zekiel2533]

​@@Mulcam29that's a lie.... tistina?? XD

[@exotic9417]

​@@Mulcam29Tistina

[@Ragnarok540]

​@@Mulcam29tistina?

[@ygoandanime2206]

They need a link monster that capitalizer off their swarming but plays under the pyro lock.

[@Otzkar]

if the trap was just a tiny bit better this would be insane. imagine if the trap had a "if your opponent controls a pyro monster, you can activate this card the turn it was set " and a "Destroy 1 pyro monster your opponent controls"this archetype would be straight up busted..

[@endeavor1299]

Reagrding the second wave, of course they have already designed it. I mean, Awakening searches LV5+ but we miss LV5-6 (so we'll surely get two more monsters like these) and Veidos doesn't only search for its own card but for continuous trap (so we'll get at least another one) and there are also no classic Ashened spells actually showing the plot. What you didn't consider in the end is that investing in this theme means buying a playset of Bonfire...

[@timothydalton2388]

i know how to make this archetype broken, give it a level 1 tuner that can synchro with the veidos on our opponent's field as a quick effect. going first lets us look to end on a baron depending on our hand, and boardwipe on their turn or make a level 10 synchro if we just open awakening, second we can look to boardbreak with veidos effect and synchro into nuke. ideally it would either have a clause preventing the monster synched with it to die to veidos effect, or they would get a level 10 synchro that can innately survive it in addition to this

[@casketbase7750]

Late as heck to reply, but Speedroid Maliciousmagnet is almost what you're asking for. Keeping an eye on whether Terrortop goes to three next list.

[@AdamChopdat]

I think the best way to play this deck would be to mainly use the quickplay on your opponent's turn when they activate a field spell. The pyro lock doesn't matter then. Link (or use with another archetype to synchro/xyz) turn 1 and then remove opponent's field spell on their turn.

[@angel-memeroftheisles]

Yeah exactly. You get a nuke + field spell pop off 1 card for a 8 card engine, sounds fair to me

[@adewilyan8030]

Pretty much intended that way, cuz the field spell also act as floodgate for them (treats faceup as pyro during their turn)

[@Ragnarok540]

Is this a Dark Souls 3 reference?

[@Efgand0894]

For me it looks like a Pompeii reference, whit the whole city covered in ashes form the eruption

[@UBUB101]

It is both

[@Jovanche9]

Probably.

[@tickledeggz]

Its 100% a Dark Souls reference.

[@nathanbaird7150]

“Ashened” is most definetly a reference to the “Ashen One”, your character’s name in Dark Souls III. Veidos references both the Dragon God from Demon’s Souls and Darkeater Midir from Dark Souls III, King is a reference to Godfrey from Elden Ring, Hero is a reference to the Fume Knight from Dark Souls II and Priestess is the Fire Keeper from Dark Souls III

[@justusneubeck]

I hope we get spright blue and quem reprints in RAC2

[@nigerianprinceajani]

A) I'm quite sure whenever these cards will be imported to Master Duel Veidos, Priestess, City and maybe Awakening will be URs. B) The lock on Awakening completely locks you out of the Extra Deck for all intents and purposes. There aren't any viable Pyros in the Extra Deck in the game at all.

[@RGARDL]

15:06 , no , u r ss veidos on their turn n u bring out hero , then u use hero to pop veidos , then hero effect places back obsidim but to your filed zone n veidos pops the field , this should be used as an interuption , doing in on opponents 2nd turn , u should always go second with this deck , n on your forst turn u should do more then then get all pieces togathwr to do this , having shifter or evenly in opening hand as mean of stop them for bringing out something like Appo first turn , u should play board breakers like dark ruler , lightning storm , and super poly max amount , then i go for 2 solemn judgement and 2 thunder king and 3 prosperity, in side deck , only Banshee and super poly targets are a must , i found red eyes , zombie vampire , BLS-SOC not bad in some situations , this the passive way is the obly way with this deck , just who can pass turn without doing almost anything these days 😂

[@damianrogowski5519]

Myutants are tcg exclusive Too and they got only Mutant Mutant as second support wave -.-

[@mrelite1354]

veidos against kashtira if they start with the field spell, i like it

[@chibiraptor]

I'm excited about the story arc of this archetype. I would bet the next wave of support is "Modern" people entering into the eternal conflict to put an end to it. They probably have some way of banishing.

[@Squibbly_Squelch]

RIP my KairyuShin Umi Control deck

[@eyecu4208]

i will def play the dark souls archetype

[@grodon909]

I think it's promising. I'm probably going to mix it with Runick. Flashing Fire pops veidos, Hugin can protect your field. The level 9 and 4 can work with XYZs. Infernal Flame Banshee can rota any of these guys. Awakening lets you place Obsidim on opponent's field so you can still use fountain. May also work with duality or shadows light somehow.

[@ME14-00]

Dark soul’s archetype

[@fede3j]

Is this the new burning abyss?

[@Cwronaga216]

RIP fire king island😂 (activates awakening in response to FKI)

[@johnnycapote9817]

If they have sanctuary it won't get destroyed lol. Which is always since ponix is searchable in all types of ways.

[@cightless]

@@johnnycapote9817 awakening PLACES the field spell which gets around any protection effects.

[@chewdoom8415]

​@@cightless Edit: My bad. I don't know why I was thinking you were talking about sanctuary protecting. Very slow moment What does that have to do with anything? The fieldspell is still on the field after the chain resolves so it can be protected. I have only heard of placing mattering when it comes to cards that restrict activation since you are not activating the card.

[@rhyanobrownie]

@@chewdoom8415cause you give them the field spell which automatically outs the island

[@chewdoom8415]

@@rhyanobrownie That's my bad. For some reason I was thinking they were saying that sanctuary protected them from the dragon. I'm dumb

[@michaelisawesome99]

so their are no generic pyro link monsters that i could find

[@DirtCheapFU]

Sucks that Naglafar is a Beast-Warrior and not Pyro. Even though he has the Def line for a Pyro. You could have been able to play a Generaider package without needing Bonfire.

[@IKamen-z8o]

95,4% of the fire king combos post phni send sanctuary so it will work most of the time against them but not anymore I guess

[@endeavor1299]

"Kozmo viable from the first wave" made me laugh so hard... I remember when it came out, I was among those who wanted to build it but couldn't afford a playset of Farmgirl, but the deck wasn't really able to achieve anything, and Juragedo was the true reason why it was playable. This first wave is way better than that, the problem is the current power creep being almost the same as the DAD format.

[@jodiexalazar2]

This deck is cool but it needs a win con that isn't just worse fire kings

[@bl00by_]

Everytime I hope for a new BA and everytime I get dissapointed. Is it too much to ask for an TCG exclusive which is a good on release?

[@Ragnarok540]

After the Danger! incident, I don't think the TCG is allowed to print very good exclusives.

[@PyckledNyk]

It’s an interesting archetype, but nothing that competes against some of the more consistent, crazy meta-archetypes.

[@arrownoir]

Pretty decent engine.

[@technotenor0487]

Kozmo was 1000% not viable without dark destroyer People were judt desparate to not play nekroz or BA

[@ItSpooling_]

Kozmo was made specifically to body nekroz

[@Drko_Kane]

Alright, in all seriousness.Is that technically a "hero" card? Like can I E-call for "hero of the ashened city"?

[@jumpiestaman100]

Only issue is that playing this requires playing Bonfire.... Also, anyone wanting to pick this up should just wait until a few weeks after release anyways. The entirety of Phantom Nightmare will drop in price regardless, and Ashened is outright unplayable on-release, so they'll be dirt cheap.

[@OGBanditGaming]

Cards don’t just come from nowhere. Konami spends hours and hours tuning and testing these cards. Try making your own archetype on dueling book with customs and try to make it a fair balanced archetype. It is not easy and you will definitely have to go back and edit cards multiple times to add restrictions or to balance the power of certain cards. It’s not as simple as plopping them out of a magical hat! 😉

[@victorhugorocha7683]

Is Vaidos good against floo?

[@WesleyParksTTV]

MST is good in this deck , no ?

[@deaththesoul8]

The more I re-read and re-listen to these cards, the more disappointed I am. Not really for the cards themselves, but because of the way that Konami handles them. Like, yeah, these cards are playable, but that should be a given in this day and age, specially for a new exclusive archetype. But WHY these cards have to shoot themselves in their own foot? Why has Hero to target ONLY pyros? Why Awakening is not searchable? if they didn't had this flaws I could say, hey, it can be a ok-ish rogue deck, one card plays somewhat consistent (Priestess, Bonfire, Awakening) can do something going first (a quick effect target destruction) and draws 1 card in the process, but doesn't really have the "ceiling" to be really top tier, but it could do things, similar to Evil Twins. BUT NO, we have to stick to a bare bones deck that is playable but does NOTHING and has slight anti synergy (mostly talking about Hero and Eternity) and, since it's apparent that they don't want to make this archetype good (otherwise this issues won't be here) I doubt a second wave is gonna be good (and if it's good, it has to go through some jumps to compensate, like an Ashened card that actually SEARCHES Awakening, instead of giving some toolbox) I want to be proven wrong and come here in a few months and say, that Konami outdone themselves and made Ashened a pretty respectable rogue. But I wouldn't hold my breath, as I even doubt that the OCG would WANT to fix it, like, when was the last time they "fixed" a TCG Exclusive and made it a respetable rogue/tier 2?

[@whiteshadow2535]

3 minutes after drop :O

[@crimsecretxd-ex9fb]

22

[@bombatomica_6449]

If priestess was lvl1 at least it would have been a bad snake eye variant but for now it's unplayable

[@qwertyg3666]

Veidos searcher next wave. Also pyro lock was very unnecessary and hurts the decks potential greatly.

[@jacobcoates7987]

I dont like that they're all dark monsters if they're really taking inspiration from dark souls. A lot of characters would be more associated with light or fire.

[@siruno6024]

Dark souls archetype

[@josemariadeljesusadrianoba554]

React New cards for ashened deck pots infinity ❤

[@Shione_Starlight]

Danger was more of an engine and not really a deck. They were really good but they weren’t that great as it’s own deck.

[@WesleyParksTTV]

I feel like this deck is clickbait to get people to try and get Bonfire lmfao . Also idk why I feel like some how this deck works with the Dogmatika engine… coin me now lol

[@RanDoomPuff]

I find it funny how people talk about veidos as being this potentially generic card even tho ghost ogre is objectivly better in every circumstance in generic use

[@NihlusLB]

Ghost Ogre can't be used on the activation of a field spell so Veidos would be better against field spells like Perlereino that has an effect on activation.

[@Dread_Maximus]

veidos is so bad. all your opponent has to do to play around it is link it off into dharc and it becomes useless. it becomes a situation where you can't use the destruction effect without proc'ing dharc and also have to contend with more damage on board if your opponent chooses to revive it with dharc's effect so at the price of any additional body veidos's gy effect is completely neutralized.

[@ehschargers6510]

Looks cool but extremely mid. The dragon is the only interuption you have and the rest are just bodies.

[@pockit5107]

They're cool cards it's a shame Koonami made them to milk more Bonfire money.

[@Myster-E1276]

All this came out earlier this week. Why is he acting like he didn't know what it was and what it does.

[@naoufalkarroua8922]

That doesn’t mean he read it already. This could have bean recorded earlier, and just uploaded today

[@Myster-E1276]

@@naoufalkarroua8922 come on now. This the same dude that basically made the current ban list. You know he had advanced knowledge. He just making it seem like he didn't know to entertain you.

[@frostyasparagus8276]

In the video description it says this was streamed on the 24th

[@winter945]

​@@Myster-E1276this is clearly him reacting to the reveal video though, what do you mean fall for the bs? You can literally check his twitch to see when this was streamed

[@assumingfrog7944]

I'm gonna be honest, this stuff looks like unplayable garbage.