Joshua Schmidt Reacts to IS LEGACY SUPPORT ACTUALLY GOOD? - Magical Hats

[@sammydray5919]

Thunder dragon (excluding Collosus) is probably the best wave of legacy support in my eyes. The entire new support is built by using the effect of OG Thunder Dragon's as the template for how the archetype is gonna function so not only its a similar play style but you can even put the OG thunder dragon in the deck and the deck would still function decently well. Like the new support just works so seamlessly with the old card that it's actually really impressive imo

[@superfactorial5717]

thunder dragon effect 1 chain titan thunder dragon effect 2 chain titan

[@AljoschaW1993]

Or Circular

[@sammydray5919]

@@AljoschaW1993 Circular was more of a missing piece of support than full on retrain legacy support

[@Ragnarok540]

Hot take: Colossus is fine at 1. At 2 or 3 I can see how is overpowered.

[@ducky36F]

@@Ragnarok540 Colossus is based tcg players just be hating.

[@pc-0343]

"If Farfa is being reasonable he's the Imposter" LOL

[@kaison12205]

Mbt perpetually look like he’s behind a major plot twist in every episode of magical hats

[@glacierwolf2155]

You can take the kid out of the theater, but you can't take the theater out of the kid.

[@catsarecool9773]

See I agree having to play cherries as a garnet would be unfun, but creative tailored support that made cherries genuinely useful could be dope imo.

[@MagiRemmie]

While it would be, some cards are just too old and/or bad to ever be revived in today's game no matter how hard they try. Cards like that should just be accepted as dead and just make cards for the archtype ignoring them. I personally believe people like the archtype and characters within the archtype. Not the individual card itself. So retraining a card still is cool because you get to play with the character. Another example is the God cards. Look at how hard they are trying to support those cards and they still can't because of how bad the original Gods are. They might have to retrain them or something they'll never do is errata them to be playable.

[@catsarecool9773]

@@MagiRemmie and then some random old card like Mushroom Man #2 becomes (arguably) meta by complete accident 😂 I love yugioh

[@jmurray1110]

Sure but at sone point it just becomes dark magician syndrome a deck with busted support that can’t get anywhere because it’s over reliant on a garnet that needs to be there but can’t do anything for itself

[@greenhillmario]

Legacy support that was done well: weather painters. A deck that struggled to accrue any meaningful advantage (it plussed hard, just into cards that didn’t actually do anything) and had to play for so long that fucking battle fader was a valid tech. Gave them an Alt boss, easier access to the bosses AND made one of the older cards much better due to its interactions with the new cards. Solid support

[@Capta1nTD]

Weather Painters is my favorite deck and their latest support felt fantastic. Went from an absurdly slow deck that couldn't win until like turn 7 and hard relied on floodgates to carry them. To a deck that actually has incredible snowball potential with the caveat that you need to survive turn 3. But it has 3 card combos to setup two use Rainbow and Moonbow, it's more conservative combos usually are backed up with hand traps and power traps to help keep them alive past turn 2. And then they put themselves into either a heavily winning position or sometimes even OTK. Something old WP could never dream of doing. They're low key a solid rogue anti-meta deck and I would love to see just that extra card or two to bring them to tiered status.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Deck's still complete garbage. Trust me, I tried.

[@MiyaoMeow588]

Gage's take about the Sacred Beasts is so bizarre. Of course you play the OGs. The new support exists entirely to turbo out the original cards and give you benefits for having them out on the field. What??

[@sammydray5919]

Its Gage. Why are you surprised?

[@Bindersquinch]

Came here to say exactly this. They didn't get retrains, not really. Raviel got an honest, and the other 2 got spell traps. The sacred beast support is exactly what he says he wants. Support to make the deck "playable". That was just batshit.

[@Kurinth]

the thing that annoys me about dark law isnt even the macro effect, you can play around that and find a way to out it, the thing that annoys me about Dark Law is that it can hand loop you when you search a card which is just so rng stupid i have no idea why it gave it that effect.

[@joshuacaesar2025]

And for some reason they always snipe the card I searched

[@biztek5726]

Yeah, that's definitely not why Dark Law is good.

[@Rabidragon9241]

I think the legacy support for d/d/d in Bach was really well designed

[@worm_9912]

"Imagine if they made volcanic support" two weeks later

[@Iridoxx]

Dude I just saw how good the support is.

[@JirachiCos]

ThunderDragons is a good Retrain but Colossus, He should stay Banned....1 Year Later

[@chrismcdonald6079]

This divulged into, what is the worst legacy support ever and it’s gotta be about 70% of blue eyes and dark magician support.

[@NinthSettler]

devolved?

[@cancerstinks1]

It’s always funny when Konami makes legacy support for DM and BEWD to make those decks playable and then said support breaks every spellcaster and Dragon deck EXCEPT DM and BEWD.

[@ducky36F]

Love that Josh watches these so I have a reason to do so twice too 😂

[@trokolisz3702]

Sacred Beast is possibly one of the best legacy support, you do play the original Sacred Beasts, and you give them new effects or protections with spells or traps. Its an archatype where it doesn't feel bad to top deck a Sacread beast. Sadly it just wasn't enoug, and Hamon was the only one worth playing. But they also got some really cool and unique mechanics, like giving your fusion to the enemy, so it counts as their card, when it boardwipes, and it can get around some unique protections.

[@Ocvirk420]

A bit late here but I have to say I love the new tellar support. First off they finally connected satellarknight and constellar which just makes sense. They also looked at everything that tellarknights had and gave them everything they needed without it being broken. They already had monsters that search monsters, that summon monsters from hand and grave, that dump monsters to the grave. So they gave them extenders that search spells and one that reses itself and pops cards, along with a really good 2 material rank 4 that does anything you need it to do at that point in the combo. Absolutely flawlessly executed legacy support

[@kroffen7]

The ooooold decks that force us to run literal bricks feel so bad. If they are insisting that we play these old cards that fill no function then nearly every other card in the deck needs to say as a bonus effect "If you got BRICK in hand, shuffle back and draw/special summon/whatever" Just as an apology for you needing to run 3 Vanilla Dragons in your deck for it to literally function. Psy-Frame Driver is a dumb brick... That is literally better than Red-Eyes in every way!

[@ConductorElcrest]

I was about to say "but psy-frame is never a brick when you draw it in psy-frames" and then I read the rest.

[@CocTheElf]

Yeah, vanilla Neos is awful to play. But they force us to play it.

[@Atestinal]

20:40 My favorite scene in the original yugioh show was when Para and Dox were like, "this duel has been a joy, but now we summon Assblast the Beastboy."

[@blankcheck2276]

Cloudian legacy support needs to happen

[@lokitired3751]

More Alien legacy support would be great too or reptille support in general

[@lavemochaves6500]

probably a card that negates the effect of all monsters with a cloudian counter

[@lokitired3751]

@@lavemochaves6500 Yeah and a new boss monster and a field card would do wonders

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

Cloudian legacy support is dangerous as if it's too good then their non-once per turn handrip effect would need to get banned asap.

[@ogeid772]

I hope to see Joshua Schmidt on Junior Journey soon

[@Abyssionknight]

It'd be much healthier for the game if Konami stopped making so many new Archetypes and started focusing more on retrains. New archetypes always power creep the game, while with retrains you can justify keeping the power level around other meta relevant decks, since nostalgia will be the driving force in sales in that case. Like I love the concept of Ghostricks, but there's just no way to actually play that deck seriously. So if they retrained that archetype and actually modernized it, that'd be something I'd throw money at.

[@josefl.2053]

I want an archetypal retrain of Qliphort into a ritual pendulum machine deck. I feel like those two mechanics would work well together, with pendulum fueling your ritual (tribute but better) summons. It also needs to be changed so that it's less synergistic with annoying floodgates and more with a mid-longrange combo

[@calich33sehead]

I think a lot of these discussions come down to whether or not Konami does it properly, and they aren’t consistent on that.

[@safeandsound712]

I'm loving the crap out of watching your watch along videos. Thanks Josh. I dig it so much. You make these better and I already watch the originals on MBT's channel but I gotta catch these too on your channel. It's great.

[@alfatdhx]

"the community wants volcanic support" this aged well

[@GearOFFBlack]

Giving the old archetype a new way to play without the old card is the way to go IMO. Vampire and Ninja are examples of this. No one plays Vampire Lord anymore. You can, but the new stuff is just better. They also change the vampire theme. They no longer mill opponent's card (spell, trap, monster), but steal monsters from their graveyard.

[@jaystoyreview4613]

Ninja support was actually goated.

[@frankunodostres473]

lmao at the guy who used sacred beasts as an example without ever having read them. THERE ARE NO SACRED BEAST RETRAINS. THEY DON'T EXIST lmao and nobody called him out for that in the comments because nobody knows anything about that archetype :(

[@Createrz2015]

I mean there is shimmering scraper

[@frankunodostres473]

@@Createrz2015 that card supports the OG raviel. like the entire archetype revolves around turboing out and protecting the OG sacred beasts

[@milesandrews6711]

​@@frankunodostres473 the entire archetype is about trying to turbo out the skill drain trap that is also macro cosmos and that also gives you damn near infinite life

[@frankunodostres473]

@@milesandrews6711 ...that only works if you have 2 OG sacred beasts on field^^

[@milesandrews6711]

@@frankunodostres473 yeah That's why the deck just becomes Turbo out 2 sacred beasts and get the trap Then floodgate the opponent out for the rest of the game

[@insidious6068]

The recent DD support, Machinex, could have been better. If it reacted to any card activated on the field, not just monsters, then I would understand. But it doesn't and it doesn't negate. It should have either negated the monster effect on top of attaching it as Xyz material or doesn't negate but also reacts to spell/trap that are on the field. Gryphon and Headhunt are good support where Gryphon is pretty much a new important combo piece and Headhunt is a searchable trap card with a good negation and monster stealing effect.

[@eonflutehza131]

Rose dragon link, or rose dragons in general is the first deck that comes to mind.

[@mujigant]

Where is this Blue-Eyes and DM support that apparently exists in every pack?

[@4pfBulmond]

1:00 Naturia, you're fav deck...

[@aseanlittle7283]

They can errata some of the "when" to "if" and certain cards can be playable in today format especially yang zing

[@xCorvus7x]

Maybe splashable into strategies that destroy your own cards, such as Dinos or Rokkets, but pure? They seem far too slow.

[@iBloodxHunter]

​@@xCorvus7xDon't matter how slow it is if your opponent can't break through.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@iBloodxHunter Until you set up (and bear in mind that natively the Yang Zing set up Quick Synchro plays to interrupt, so you need to set up rather specific level combinations to have access to a variety of Synchros) your opponent has nothing to break through. I'm afraid the Yang Zing just take too long to set up, even with other cards that technically generate advantage from destroying them.

[@iBloodxHunter]

@@xCorvus7x If they didn't miss timing they wouldn't be scared o nutn. (That it to say, I don't care how long it takes to "set up" if they can't get past an unending wall of dragons.)

[@xCorvus7x]

@@iBloodxHunter Nah, missing timing isn't really an issue, you can adapt to that. A greater concern is that they take too long to assemble monsters on the board for the Synchro plays that are all they do. This unending line of dragons is broken by a single piece of non-destruction removal (be it banishing, bouncing, sending, or spinning). Even before everyone was playing S:P Little Night, there was Knightmare Unicorn (and a bunch of other less generic options).

[@Slival_]

When you asked for chat to tell you about ISHIZUS, everyone listed a ton of decks that did not get a retrain like traptrix lmfao

[@dfsdsfsdfsadfdsfa223]

rexterem could have been so much cooler than being a floodgate. Even if it got a quick effect raigeki that's more fair than the floodgate it does now

[@HutchyJE]

I wish crystal beasts would get some support to diversify what it can do. Its no where near meta but just something to make it more fun

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Funny, by the time you said that they got a structure deck that made them do cold fusion.

[@AverageBloom357]

Magnet Warriors needs more legacy support. I wish I could play with a modern Alpha, Beta, and Gamma and have a modern Valkyrion as well, that would be an absolute blast IMO.

[@squeaksqueakimaknight]

On god, I am 100 percent in preference to the support that actively force me to place the old cards. Like why make support for a deck when the new stuff isn't able to use the old stuff. Just make a new archetype then because I am perfectly happy to play brick

[@hibiki8473]

Part of the issue comes when some archetypes orriginal game plan so bad. Like look at old vampire it was about making your opponent mill which in this day and age that's actually making your opponent win then you

[@iBloodxHunter]

Only spells and traps, some vampy cards make you mill mons but 80% of them mill S/T. ​@@hibiki8473

[@mclambtj]

I'm not going to say I think you're the only one who was disappointed by it but I largely disagree with them being a disappointment.Twilightsworns in fact it probably is what made Lightsworns enjoyable for me. I thought they had some of the coolest card designs and a unique way of looping each other. Punishment Dragon today is probably still one of my favorite Dragon cards in the game. I vividly remember playing Yu-Gi-Oh on one of the simulators a few years ago like when Grass looks greener was revealed. I went first playing Tsworn established board summoned Punishment Dragon. My opponent playing Lightsworns Infernoids activates grass mills like 38 cards. After it resolved I used punishment dragon shuffling all the cards back into our decks and it was the most entertaining interaction for me in a long time.

[@PitouTV]

Here I shall list all my pet decks I am asking for viable support, and by viable I mean I wanna piss someone off at a side event with it... Again UA Lightsworn Skull servant Metalfoe Actually just give me 1 masterpiece and 1 electromite for that one

[@BramLastname]

UA player manager was such a good addition, But it cannot carry the deck on its own.

[@ttkrystal8329]

Well I still play DPE in pure punk but it's just a sacky thing like does the field spell draw me into FD.

[@Ookazi]

I liked the Ojama fusion light machine fusion legacy support.

[@mclambtj]

One thing I will add to my prior comment tho is I would've really liked to receive a Twilight Raiden

[@X0Lt0X]

An appeal to YuGiOh is its legacy from the early card game and Animes, as well as the lack of set rotation allowing old card use. Given that I think it is pretty obvious that YuGiOh benefits from Legacy Support in terms of making older parts of the card pool return to some viability as well as appealing to nostalgia to sell product. Really I see it as the only legit argument for not having set rotation which as has resulted in the spiraling power creep this game has (which ironically is also something that makes previous players that nostalgia would appeal to shy away from the game). If anything I think they should do legacy support a lot more often so that they arent just adding another rando archetype that will be forgotten in 2-3 years. Do got to agree though, Legacy support that is just 'give the deck a random floodgate' is lazy and bad card design. I do like where Dark Magician and Blue Eyes went that used the iconic cards as engine fuel, but yeah that design tends to result in bricks pretty often as well.

[@danielgibson8799]

3:29-3:37 Warrior of Atlantis. It’s dumb.

[@ryankim1999]

“Why doesn’t Konami predict that this random card from 15 years ago will be playable again! Konami R&D has always had great foresight in their play testing they should have just reprinted that gimmick puppet monster bro”

[@Linkingx2]

Most disappointed "support" is the Neos and Yubel combinations - as a Yubel fan - that was disgusting... now we have some solid stuff coming up - finally inner peace

[@Zpbrad]

I'd love some guardian support. That would be nice

[@Createrz2015]

The ageh of gageh

[@chairmanmoo1362]

Oh boy my favorite react streamer, Josh-ua Schmidt is reacting to Magical Hats? That's awesome.

[@justusneubeck]

handloop …. neat ?

[@X0Lt0X]

For me the legacy support that I was most disappointed with is Fortune Ladies (as the 1 of 2 Fortune Lady players). Really a lot of what they added was decent, but then they shoehorned in locking the deck into a Synchro archetype, despite the of archetype having not just no Synchros but no Tuners, with its only connection to Synchros being it was in 5ds. Fortune Lady Every is just not great either even when it was initially released. Of course with a problematic card like Water, it is understandable why the deck probably shouldn't ever be given meta competitive support.

[@warriorofgod2700]

Gate guardian stuff is pretty decent. Wish they would have retrained the original pieces some, but at least it's quite functional

[@dpacula63]

I hate the term “badly designed” I feel like that’s just a cop out for “really good”

[@hibiki8473]

Maybe but it has a point. Mecha phantom beast auradon. Was so generic so busted it was clear it was going to be banned one day and now look that legacy support meant to help an old struggling archetype back in the gutter with nothing. Or chrystons with halq, so generic clearly busted and stupid that it got banned and now chrystons have nothing again so the legacy support didn't matter.

[@heretocommentyou]

Umi control is the retrain

[@nevertakeaway]

You should be in that show

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

"And some others get almost nothing and then if they get something it sucks." The entire Charmer structure deck in a nutshell. Best girls got a chance to become something and Konami intentionally sabotaged literally everything in the deck except Awakening of the Possessed. They hate that the 2005 pack filler became waifus.

[@e-tan3911]

I mean... what were we really expecting? Charmers didn't have anything. It's a random assortment of cards with multiple different ideas behind them that themselves don't really do anything. There is no gameplan to work with, and so Konami essentially had to make an archetype from the ground up with 7 cards that also had to fit in with, as you said, 2005 pack filler. It simply was not happening.

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

@@e-tan3911 Except Awakening and Partnerships have a very clear idea of swarming the field with different Charmer attributes for power, protection and advantage, and the link Charmers allow you to take advantage of your opponent's GY by simply bringing out the corresponding Charmer for material. Literally all they had to do was build on that with the rest of the new support and retrain the Familiar-Possesseds to actually have usable effects that synergise with the backrow and link Charmers, and the archetype would work. Instead they chose to sabotage it out of spite.

[@jacobcoates7987]

Farfa at the start got me imagining gemini elf support. But they're all gemini monsters and no one wants to play it.

[@anzhel3268]

naturia cherries poggies

[@jikkithesneaky]

Toons and glad beast😭😭😭 please just give me actual plusing support for them. Toons all neg and glad beast choke if panther is negated.

[@arrownoir]

Legacy support shouldn’t be garbage.

[@yussufclark9390]

Libromancer support has been lackluster.

[@dotreant5264]

the only support i care is marincess support, wich wasnt bad but i want it to be stronger, STRONGER more independent women

[@iBloodxHunter]

They need more than 1 card that cares about backrow. Argonaut by herself isn't enough.

[@heretocommentyou]

Gages hair 😂

[@arrownoir]

Halq isn’t cryston support.

[@darkanddolly16]

Most disappointing wave of support? Secret Six Samurai.

[@ahmadidrees127]

advanced crystal beasts 💔💔

[@BramLastname]

If instead of destroying themselves they could tribute special summon or something they would've actually be fine additions, Crystal Beasts is choked out by unreliable main deck monsters already, They don't need more.

[@gerharddamm5933]

Retrains always better than forcing bricks

[@justusneubeck]

yoo copium dinowrestler support in the future

[@Alex-Omega]

There cant be enough Blue-Eyes Support. Make them Meta. Id defintely enjoy it more, to get clapped by Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician as by some weird weeb waifu stuff

[@sammydray5919]

The exact opposite for me. Playing against DM and Blue Eyes is so excruciatingly boring that I would rather play against random waifu deck

[@davidaugustine399]

Isn't this the guy that slowplays and then cries to the judge for time?