Winning Whoop racers use Betaflight crash_recovery. Should you?

[@jay13270]

OH MY GOSH! That was the most epic "you're going to learn something today" I've ever witnessed on your channel, Joshua. Great job on the vid my man 👍

[@TonyBear93]

I came here to say this as well lmao

[@tom-was]

@@TonyBear93 And I

[@IoFPV]

Same here

[@navigator2011]

I only fly in acro, and it's a pain having the quad flip out whenever I touch anything. I'm turning on crash_recovery for all my whoops. Can't wait for the test flights! Thanks, Joshua!!! EDIT: Put several packs through my three whoops this morning, and crash_recovery makes all the difference in the world! Normally after bumping anything, no matter how slight, I have to either use turtle mode or pick up the quad and start over. But with crash_recovery, almost every time I bumped something, I was able to recover and continue flying! Thanks, again, Joshua!!!

[@unknown-wm4rc]

i can agree, i just got my first drone, a whoop, and i turned this on like 5 mins ago. am already so happy with it, my flights whent from 5-10 sec runs to like 30-60 seconds!

[@GarethDix]

Somehow I completely bypassed angle mode and learned in acro… so this is really helpful!

[@January_Cold]

Same! When I try to fly angle, I totally suck at it. My brain just refuses to understand how it works.

[@LeviFPV-z6s]

That's the way

[@0Ciju0]

Nothing about this statement is bad, lol. IMO, you should ALWAYS learn acro first, same as you should ALWAYS learn to build/fix your drones. Its what takes a random RC hobbyist into an FPV pilot.

[@Flufficatfish]

I just got my first fpv drone, and like a lot of people I have been watching all your videos. This is hands down such a great thing for beginners to know if they are learning to fly with a whoop. Thank you for all the work you do!

[@meauris]

Bad weather, flying inside now. Crash boom bang on the attic. Then I remembered this video again. Lets hope this will help. Thanks Joshua!

[@ChrisParayno]

This is perfect for cinewhoops! Update: I've implemented this stock setting on my tinywhoop and it's saved my behind so many times. Once I hit, I often disarm knowing I was pretty much dead. Now, this gives me a chance to recover and keep flying. Also, it did not intrude on my freestyling at all. I will be implementing this throughout all of my quads now. Thanks again.

[@kiparis311]

What an amazing feature, this is a godsend for all freestyle pilots. Im about to do some thorough testing on my 3 inch freestyler with this enabled. Im gonna edit this comment in a few days with my end results, setting tweaks and test paramters for anyone interested on enabling this on their own 3 inch. The biggest use im seeing for this is as a safety net for older protocols when flying at a spot with lots of concrete and bad RSSI. Id say 90% of minor "branch clipping" crashes that happen with something like a D16/FrSky receiver unnecessarily end in failsafes and lost quads because the latency and signal issues of these old protocols doesnt allow you to manually recover with any precision when youre at low RSSI. So if you fly bandos or lush parks without a modern long range RC Link like most of us do, enabling this could propably help recover the quad at low RSSI. Say you have a D16 receiver and you clip an object at 100 meters out with like 55 RSSI, normally this situation is a guaranteed drop to the deck, followed by a failsafe, and possibly lost quad if the battery ejects aswell. With this feature, the quad just snaps to horizon, you can hit the throttle and get your RC link back. Im very excited, they should fully implement this feature and all its tweaks. Its such a simple and elemental feature, i dont see why it got left behind.

[@lievenvv]

It can also work when your signal is good. Especially with props out 👍 I always use it (with some tweaks)

[@SwiftDuckFPV]

hmm im not so sure this would be all that great for aggressive freestyle, like Sbang style. I feel like the FC would mistake some really hard snap moves as "crashing"

[@kiparis311]

@@SwiftDuckFPV definitely, thats why they included all these settings to tweak. They are very unintuitive though i couldnt figure them out or notice differences.

[@lievenvv]

@@SwiftDuckFPV yeah... But that's what the parameters are for ;) Also - i think it uses the accelerometer, not the gyro. So it should be fine

[@whattakwhat8945]

waiting for results

[@hultaelit]

"Don't go into the pool, don't go into the pool" That was some top tier foreshadowing.

[@erikburrows]

I just "found" this somehow. This makes flying my whoop in acro indoors so much more fun and practical. Thanks!

[@hungarianlad9734]

The fact that this works so well, is so easy to set up, and we completely missed it is mind blowing

[@robsonchaves4661]

So I just implemented this to my 5in.... It works pretty well. Thanks JB

[@NishaanAhmed]

Everything working fine so far? I wanna do this to my 3.5 in cinewhoop.

[@neilfpv]

This is the reason why I stayed with Emuflight when I switched to it in mid 2020 on my 5 inch quad. I started with Betaflight and used it for a year and half. When it hits something, it wheeeeehs sometimes. I've crashed my Emuflight many times but I never encountered the wheeeeeeh. That's a great new feature in Betaflight! Thank you Joshua for the updates!

[@ProjectMockingbird]

That's because Emuflight has a vastly superior angle mode. It even has new code so you can go 90 degrees and do those dive gates joshua was trying.

[@neilfpv]

@@ProjectMockingbird cool info

[@juliannojungle]

I only fly TinyWhoops and was hoping for something like this option for so long! Thanks a lot, JB! Godsend! ❤️

[@RECK_Adventures]

Yessssss I tried to bring this feature forward a couple months ago and nobody knew what it was. I love crash recovery for whoop racing!

[@scottmarshall6766]

Years ago I dumped a mini (FT Gremlin) in a hot (still smoking) burning barrel after hitting scraggle. It was somewhat worse for the experience, but repairable. I think this feature would be the way to go for scraggle heavy areas, going to try it. Thanks, I learned something today.

[@adamjnowak1]

Yeah, back in the old days 'turning off' crash recovery seemed to be the recommended setup for racing. So a lot of us just got used to turning it off. I'm definitely going to set this up on my new 65mm.

[@615thAeroSquadron]

Hey J.....thanks for this reminder. I just started flying my emax tiny in acro mode...set up the recovery mode as you described. what a big difference for me. A big help for sure! No other issues yet caused by the mod.

[@GunnerRodgers]

I have been flying acro exclusively for about 6 months and this is amazing, I just turned this on and.... It almost feels like some kind of cheat code!!! I also just picked up the vfly from you video a couple weeks ago thanks my man!!!!

[@MikeyB00o]

This is great info! Ive bin out of flying for a about 4 yrs now, due to RL stuff and slowly getting back into Whoops. Now to dust off my NIB Inductrix Pro and other whoop stuff thats still in packaing also

[@Vousie]

I've mostly only flown Whoops in Angle mode, but when I initially got it it freaked out a bit when it hit something - especially the sticking to walls issue. Found a really simple solution: Turn off "airmode". No more problems.

[@marekmarecki7816]

Works perfect with my beta95x v3. Thank you Joshua Every day im learning something new 😉

[@wesleyooms]

8:49 I think this can be implemented. Just add both signals and send it to the motor. The frequencies of these signals are far apart and don't really interfere. It's worth to give it a try. It's the same as how the feedback signal of the pid controller is added to the feedforward signal of the stick commands.

[@conorstewart2214]

Considering the speed of the motors and the method used to create the beep, there is a good chance it could in at least some way interfere with the motors being used as normal.

[@ukaszrohan4654]

Just came back to get that fabulous "you're going to learn something today" moment.

[@nicklego2379]

2 days I tapped a tree and my quad went out of control this would have helped so much. I’m definitely enabling this feature.

[@lievenvv]

I have been using crash recovery on all my quads since since it came out. Not just on whoops, but 2.5-3" open prop rippers, too. Props out + crash recovery really helps to slip through greenery sometimes without actually crashing. For me, the main parameter to adjust is the recovery_angle. I set it a little higher to make it give back control faster/more reliably. Edit: it sometimes helps with walls too 😎

[@kurtzFPV]

Thank you. I came to the comments looking for this. What recovery angle do you use? And have you ever tried it on a 5" freestyle?

[@parkswreckfpv3547]

This is friggin aweosme! i fly air/acro on my whoop and i feel like this is going to help a TON! I certainly learned something today.

[@cameronbeatty5026]

I love the lava lamp dude!! I’m trying the crash recovery

[@v4ng3n]

Nice intro! Love the hat illusion… almost thought there were two Joshua’s. 😂

[@bentsprockettech]

Dang! I did not know that secret feature existed, but then I'm not much of a pilot. LOL Thank you Mr. Bardwell for continuously leveling us up! :)

[@huff-19fpv77]

YO!!! Game changer for me as I'm learning to be a whoop racer! Thanks JB!!!

[@ferusinfo]

Ok, this is the most important "you are going to learn something" I've seen. I've just came back from first whoop race ever, and I imagine I'd do just better with that feature.

[@AngryPepper1964]

Awesome video Joshua, I just purchased a Mobeetle6 and I’m going to put these Paramentes on it, if I get them right I’ll add these to all my whoops. Thanks for all your great recommendations 👍

[@TheDiegoAranda]

This is a great feature and a terrific explanation video. You really are an *amazing* resource for the FPV community.

[@Splode_]

Now I don't feel like sticking with acro for whoops was a waste, this is awesome. The best part is this feature has been there this whole time, so I can try it out on my ancient tinyhawk running BF 4.0 without disturbing the mockingbird tune.

[@oziumentisis]

DUDE WTF, that is an awesome feature especially with AIRMODE enabled... Thank you!

[@mbug7973]

These intros are getting better and better 😂

[@sushia.f.1809]

Here I thought I knew it all... Nope. Still taking me to school Joshua. Great vid.

[@ChrisHarmon1]

I had just forced myself to get used to acro on tiny whoops but it's cool to find a way to help recover from those times where it goes pinging off faster than I can react(gotten rare though).

[@Originaljonny2bad]

albert kim did a video on it a few years ago, nice one for bringing it back again guna try it on my 75mm

[@Polski_Saski]

Sounds great, it looks like a pretty useful feature. I wonder if it would be useful with 3" cinewhoop. Time for testing.

[@SteadfastRC]

Ohh that's interesting 🤔 let me know how it works!

[@gman1185]

so its 12 days later-result?

[@EvaTheDivarobloxplays]

JB, you just saved me from getting all those hairs in my motors! 🤣

[@eturnerx]

Thanks!

[@mirceaneagoe8586]

I can't wait to test this feature on my Emax NanoHawk. I hit the like button from the start of this video.

[@SteadfastRC]

Awesome, I have five whoops I will be trying this out on thanks JB!

[@wingsounds13]

I think I tried crash recovery mode once a while back. I just don't crash enough to really test it. 😀 Thanks to this video I'll try it again.

[@su_K3N]

Bardwell earth 838 variant is smarter than the 616 variant. Great information…I just hope this doesn’t cause an incursion.

[@phatz5330]

Great video. I wish more fpv stuff got put into the suggested content

[@AirKhanFPV]

Great tip, for me crash recovery works really great with your airmode off, while Throttle is high tip for Open/EdgeTX but with airmode permanently on it acts sometime to sensitiv.

[@loryriga]

This is potentially amazing😮 gotta try it out! Btw atm my favorite lihv for 65mm are gnb 380 60/120C. They wheigh 8g with Gnb27 connector and have plenty of power and flight time

[@ashleywightman2672]

That just saved me so many walks of shame! Thank you!!

[@lililililililili8667]

Just gave it a try on my 5in with some pine tree scraggle its pretty nice wasn't able to false trigger it with my max rate of 555

[@greatscottfpv2420]

This is soo going to change my whoop game. Thanks again Joshua, your the man

[@SuperGreyfox99]

yup. I love this guy. Thanks Josh.

[@RichMoore-tweakin7376]

You know it's hot in Tennessee JB is flying whoops 😬.. excellent video Josh. Thank you

[@Shauny_D]

I’ve only ever used acro for racing whoops. I dont often have issues with sticking to walls but i set airmode _start_throttle_percent pretty low. I never use angle but i keep airmode tied to my mode switch so it is only enabled in acro mode.

[@lievenvv]

Disabling air mode altogether (or having it on a separate switch) works pretty well for whoops.. It's pretty rare to go to zero throttle :) You can also have it switch on/off depending on throttle automatically

[@chrisleyland1004]

Great informative video as always JB!

[@FpvManiaRU]

Очень хорошая функция, сегодня настроил. Спасибо большое!

[@DjPr0d1gy]

Great content, as always! The rabbit holes we go down together are both informative and entertaining! Keep it up!!!

[@bebenoeg5188]

Thanks for the explanation JB, until later I have a tinywhoop..👍😊

[@apachesmokemachining6487]

I tried it out just now and holly s it works great, I heard ciotti talk about it and, now you so I figured well lets go for it.. thanks for making me learn something today 😉

[@JacobBaron]

Most I've learned today in a long time. Good one!

[@lucasmurphy6187]

Yooooooooooo game changer, my tinyhawk thanks you good sir

[@ProjectMockingbird]

Fun Fact: One of the big reasons that a lot of the BEST Whoop racers started going to Acro was the atrocious crash handling of Betaflight in Angle mode. I hadn't been using Betaflight for quite awhile for Angle, so when I watched Whooptopia and another big race, I noticed that the "flush" code that Charlie and I worked on with the Betaflight team wasn't working. Basically, on disarm, it flushes so that it settles and you can rearm without "the lean"...BAD NEWS first...that code is not working anymore in Betaflight 4.x...GOOD NEWS, the BF team knows about it and is working on a fix (it also is key for GPS Rescue). In the meantime, the last known good version for this was BF 3.5.7. Emuflight doesn't have this problem as it was forked from 3.5.x code. BUT! A lot of the things Joshua addresses that are weaknesses in Betaflight Angle have been addressed in Emuflight. There is new code that calculates Angle by using Euler's which handles gimbal lock approaching 90 degress. In Emu you can actually set max angle at 90 and it won't freak out...It's not the same dive as in acro, but it's VASTLY better than the old way. Emu also rewrote angle code so that you don't crash as much, has less wall sucks, etc. It uses "low and high" Angle PIDS based on stick deflection. BAM, hit a gate, center stick and it lessens the chance of an overflow. Combine that with Dual Axis Steering and Emu Angle Mode is the most advanced Angle Mode in any flight control software. So why use Angle? Why are more pilots going to Acro? Well, some of the big races are set up..bigger where Acro starts to have an advantage...but just look at the Tiny Whoop IO that just happened where Blu J and Augustin fought it out for the win...it was a tight and technical course and Acro had a distinct disadvantage. I love flying Acro and Angle, and I believe added "crash recovery" to my PMB diffs when it first came out, so yes, please use it if you race Whoops in Acro. Crash Recovery is also available in Emuflight.

[@ProjectMockingbird]

OH, but caveat for the Mobeetle...Emuflight DOES NOT work with SPI based ELRS products...yet. They are working on that. If you have the Mobeetle and are serious about Angle Racing, I HIGHLY recommend using Quicksilver...and I will have a preset available for QS, and BF 4.3 (if you can deal with the crash bug) soon. Great little BNF...I still prefer the Fractal 65 with 802 22k's as my personal choice, but for HM did a good job on this little quad.

[@ProjectMockingbird]

OH, and if you love Acro (or Angle honestly), I recommend rotating your FC 90 degrees and running your battery toilet tank...that way you can you can pre-load by hand without it tipping on the battery sticking out in front, or for Acro, use Launch Control.

[@RECK_Adventures]

Nitro nectars used to be the best. IMO the Tattu or WeBleed batteries with the BT2.0 connector are FAR better. Way more power, consistency, and flight time for a racing whoop. Not necessary for a casual whoop though.

[@bellaciaofpv]

been wanting to mess around with crash recovery. I thought it was depreciated code for some reason. Going to give this a try and see how it works. Thanks!

[@AlexLebed]

well, here we go again. Just opened youtube, and I actually learned something today. Thanks, Joshua. I have a question: does anyone has the issue when you arm, sometimes mobula 6 is trying like go very fast in one of angles? rearm a couple of times helps.

[@Deserthacker]

I'm mainly worried about it burning a motor/esc if I hit a tree. The disarm setting seems perfect for cinewhoops with sturdy cameras where you want to disarm ASAP!

[@ElectricGang-eformss]

Great info man thanks a nice thing to have on your tiny whoop man

[@ki6hzs]

Love It! crash_recovery=on & get crash_ LOVE IT! I learned something today. Thank you sir!

[@aphinion]

When I started FPV with the Tinyhawk II it would just stick to walls or just jump off it right into the opposite wall the moment I touched it - completely unlike the SIM-behaviour where the drone just bounced off that wall. Turned out the main issue was crash recovery kicking in ultra early and throwing that whoop just all around. So I turned it off and never touched it again. It may have just been wrongly tuned (like the whole quad) and kicked in way to early, but well. It told me to fly acro :)

[@Prop-A]

Totally forgot about that feature, thank you for the reminder. I am going to try use it on some other light qwads. I mean, FCs and BF has come a long way since 3.2.

[@MrKen800]

I would appreciate you coming back and updating a little more detail for each of the settings if you have time. I turned it on with default settings (same as what you display) on a betafpv meteor75 pro and had mysterious loss of control. My rates are 650 for yaw, pitch, roll and .1 expo. On the throttle, I'm at 100% .30 mid and .25 expo. I'm still a very novice pilot and have finally gotten the craft under control in Acro. (I was in ACRO Trainer mode with max angle of 20*) Three times the quad just dropped out the sky in a toliet-bowl fashion. It's possible I nicked a branch or something but I don't think so. One time I bumped a limb and it shot off at a pretty extreme angle and that time I caught it but I could not get it back to level even on full right stick deflection so I quickly disarmed in order to recover it before it shot off to nowhere. Lots of possible issues here but just wanted to share my experience. I've turned it back off and now I'll fly full acro as soon as wind lets up.

[@dronemagicnl4986]

The shocking thing I learned is that racers fly in angle mode😂

[@WernerBeroux]

Topic suggestion: Did anyone notice that DJI Mini 3 Pro has blades that aren't flat? They have like the equivalent of anhedral wings, at least from the front. I wonder the effect and impact for freestyle/racing quads if we did that. Would it rotate better? Impact Propwash?

[@GSoyko]

Wow! Great intro! :))

[@Anziilife]

I died when you said DJI pilots! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Shauny_D]

Mob7 had a big ol’ beepper. I’m going to test this for cinewhooping. It might be really nice for those door frame bumps....

[@bradjamesmurphy]

Wow, thank you Joshua! I don't understand why Betaflight doesn't have a hover mode, but I'll definitely give crash_recovery mode a try (I may not have ended a flight at the bottom of a pond last year if this was on).

[@anthonygrec0]

Love this intro JB. :)

[@brighFive]

This's been at the back of my mind to try for a while now. You have exceeded my interest threshold not to do it like RIGHT NOW. Thanks JB 😎🙌 I'll reply to muself with info on how it went.

[@AverageFPV]

I don’t think a IGOW champion will need this - but let me know how you like it 😁

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Evan Turner was running this at the last Whoop race he and I were at. Like I say in the video, this is what inspired me to give it another look.

[@brighFive]

@@AverageFPV 😂🤷🏻‍♂️ I mean in races it might mean the difference between a placement or an elimination. I think for freestyle it might have less utility. Let’s be real though, the way I crash in races recovery is unlikely 😂

[@brighFive]

@@JoshuaBardwell I’ve only had a few batteries on it so far. I can definitely tell it’s doing things. I’d guess 1/4 times it’s helpful. I want to tweak the parameters more but I’m definitely not turning it off any time soon (specifically on my race whoops). Thanks again! 😎🙌

[@petrokey]

And what is the difference against air mode?

[@valentinleuci]

Your brother looks good 👍

[@addisonfrancisco9007]

I sure did learn something 🙌

[@artem56881]

cool video, Joshua!

[@Ketnet7]

Hi Joshua, as always: thank you for the lesson learned!! Would this also work on 5inch racers / freestyle and line of sight? I dont have a whoop...

[@Mupshot]

revisited this to refresh my memory. Been using it a while, I cant really tell if its working for me or not. I suck too much to know if it has made a difference. In fact, Im adjusting my mob7 having thought it wasnt on and active, but it was and I cant tell. I still crash.. I think

[@billdor121]

I totally did forget about this, I remember messing with this a long time ago, but yeah it totally fell off my radar.

[@wavesummit]

I'm so trying this on my cinewhoop

[@BornIIfly]

When you’re not inside the drone like I am. Your father has to be a fighter jet pilot & mother spiritual then you’ll have those lightning 🌩 counter steering reflexes you were talking about. If you‘d like, I could come around & show you this. Take care

[@DaRiggghhh]

Great Video man

[@LuckyMoniker]

seems more useful on something with prop guards, otherwise the props are gonna catch on most obstacles you might encounter

[@fpv_panda7961]

Thanks thanks thanks your the best 😅🤣 keep making video's ✌

[@zer001]

Wow this is a cool intro!

[@zachmachina]

Surprisingly, less acro whoop pilots are using crash recovery than I thought. I asked both orangestuff and tdog at IO and neither one is running it. Both also expressed that they get asked that question a lot lol. I'm running it myself though atm and sometimes it gets a little wonky. And it often doesnt even really work when you're flying on the race track because you're going too fast for it to really react in time. I've found that at slow to medium speed it works fine. And for me, the place Id need it most is for more technical spots which I might slow down a little for anyway. I could see why the absolute most fastest pilots aren't using it though as they are probably full throttle through every part of the track. But then again, I did put both tdog and orangestuff in the losers bracket and that might not have been the case if they were running crash recovery 👀

[@ProjectMockingbird]

Yeah. I was surprised not too many acro whoop pilots didn't use it... I've been recommending it for quite awhile

[@jmillerfpv]

This was very helpful!! Only for whoops or would it work on a 5 inch

[@PreciousOpal]

Im running f3 omnibus...i belive is the simplest f3..and im like a small bump on the pavement its flipping🥴...acro is my first setting...then horizon the stable...i belive i may labeled 3rd switch setting to say stable on my radiomaster...switch state down is acro witch is the state i have the remote on to start..then horizon then stable...do i have to switch it to stable, then acro and then horizon?

[@stevee7029]

Excellent, lost a 6" quad trying this feature without knowing how to tune the parameters that control behavior. The quad yaw spun into a nearby pond.😡 Having added a couple of whoops now, this will help tremendously. I am one of those position hold pilots you were winking at (since '17), and the re-training of muscle memory has been much more difficult than one might imagine! This should help avoid the "walk of shame" with larger, open prop quads considerably during this challenge that has arisen trying to adjust to Acro!

[@spikester]

I've started FPV flying in acro and my goodness the learning curve to fly adeptly with a few powerloops was steep, simulator is a must (I enjoy fixing the quads so I learned mostly on real hardware via geprc rocket flying acro in the house). I was big into the RC helicopter hobby a decade ago but the repair costs were stupid each crash so I never really learned to fly them without angle mode-style of flight controller. The SK720 series was one of the earliest helicopter controllers that had this mode that could be tuned to act exactly like angle mode. Otherwise it was true acro mode on the SK720 as default. In short, angle mode keep you from advancing. I can fly my FPV just fine but dyslexia seems to kill my ability to learn line of sight on the helis.

[@FerralVideo]

I'm in a similar boat to Splkester. Started out with mechanically stabilized helicopters. Tried to graduate to a true collective ultralight heli, but having to order parts every time I so much as breathed at it was not very good for practice. After several toy class drones, I got an FPV kwad, engaged acro, and walked away from that one with a few cuts on my arm and a newfound respect for these machines. Several years and Bardwell videos later, and while I want to work more on VLOS non-tail-in flight and hovers, I'm reasonably competent with my FPV aircraft in both FPV and VLOS. So I came back to that collective heli. WOWZA. Having to "babysit" all four control axes is a different beast altogether. I never kept it in the air for more than a minute, although I did manage several short flights without crashing. And then I crashed, and couldn't get parts for it anymore. Not having that acro gyro makes "pure" collective helis incredibly difficult. As such I've strongly considered modern stabilized helicraft like the SK720. Although in defense, I think that heli had a problem. It was supposed to have a yaw gyro, but the design for the tail rotor was poor, and it never really worked right. Doesn't help that I crashed it within seconds of opening the box, and these are NOT carbon fiber reinforced freestyle FPV quads that can take a hit on concrete at speed.

[@brynearson]

I'm really curious what that red thing is that moves out of sight, behind his shoulder beginning about 2:03? Maybe a kid doing something with a toy?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's a red cup and the wind blows it.

[@Ender_FPV]

FINALLY a helmet for my training wheels!

[@cedricgrandseigne]

Not sure of the interest on 1s whoops, but will test it on 2s: when you hit a gate inside, there is a pinball effect that could be tamed thanks to this feature.