I turned BF rates to max and learned something profound

[@TheEviling]

What i learned from this video is that rates of 100 is good for learning how to fly. And rates of 2000 is good for learning how to build quads :)

[@lixxfpv]

😂👌

[@skatamartin4970]

@@lixxfpv the perfect comment does't exi- wait! this one right here

[@Daniel-xg8el]

True😂🤣

[@Sir_Hubris]

😂🤣🙃'build, fly, crash and repeat' hahaha briljant thought M8 ¶ ; - )

[@pandrews01]

good one

[@phildawe7172]

I like how this experimentation takes the mystery and fear out of tweaking the settings. - I used to be afraid to touch anything once I was content with my settings. This was just good ol' fun!

[@tk-maker]

yeah, newbie here. recently I try to set up 4 to 6 difference profile at 6 position switch. never try never know.

[@rudypoirier7793]

Same Phil.

[@stevealbin8257]

This literally is the most informative tutorial on the impact of rates. Totally awesome. I'm going to revisit my rates.

[@captainthruster9484]

This is what makes this a unique hobby. Years and years into it, a KZbin channel based around it, this guy's entire life is fpv including his income. The last 30 seconds of the video he had the most genuine joyous laugh. What other hobby can do this this far in? I'll wait

[@SCFPV]

Not many, if any, can compare to fpv. The range of emotions alone keeps me in it. You'll have the most joyful, intense, relaxing, frustrating, blissful, angry, nervous and awe inspiring wallet busting time of your life with fpv, with all those emotions hitting at the same time. Wouldn't trade it for anything. 😁

[@ramus9]

3D RC helicopters.

[@ramus9]

@@SCFPV That's what all my buddies airplane guys said about their hobby, same thing my other friends the helicopter guys said too lmao.

[@overdosed51]

Ehhh... have you ever owned/worked on any classic cars? 🤣 You'll get the entire range of your emotional spectrum in the first week I promise

[@ChainsawFPV]

@@overdosed51 Nick you hit the nail on the head. Classic resto is one of my longest hobby (job?). 30+years now. While I have said some bad words in FPV, nothing brings out the best in a person like a broken bolt in a impossible area. Lmao

[@vizzieizzy]

Honestly I think I learned more about rates with this fun video, than with one of your bench videos (no offense at all) love to see more of this style. When you see the extremes of something it helps to understand what the fine tuning can do. Great video

[@zedex1226]

For real. I don't even fpv. "Just" camera drones. And learned a ton about setting up those mode switches for different use cases in cinematography applications.

[@dusti25]

i love all of your content but the videos when your out in the field making adjustments to the quad are my absolute favorite. This was such a good video!!!!!

[@ericcoker8784]

This experience/experiment needs to be a "must watch" for newbies like my self. I understand scaling of throttle and expo! My helicopter experience has taught me much, but this is awesomeness!

[@ifyoueverwondered875]

You should totally set up some races where all the best flyers race at the lowest rates lol. It would be interesting to see the different lines they take

[@rudypoirier7793]

Hey Josh, even an ole gizzer like myself can learn about rates when You demonstrate them in a video like this one. Don’t let this compliment mess with the rates in Your head, but,,,,,man Your Good! Lol Blessings Joshua,,,Rudy 👍👋🇨🇦

[@chilloutfpv991]

I know you did this video just for fun but I actually learned more about rates than any other video has ever explained it

[@junkmonk1043]

This is the video I needed to visualize rates. Thanks for working so consistently and thoroughly.

[@MactacFPV]

This was a really fun video. Thank for sharing :)

[@DroneZoneFPV]

I’ve just gotten into FPV and absolutely love your videos, especially your Learn to Fly an FPV Drone! Thank you Joshua!

[@greatscottfpv2420]

That was the funnest thing I've seen on KZbin this year. Well done and great work buddy

[@Adam_Carbone]

Loved this video, was genuinely fun to just sit down and watch! Appreciate the testing!

[@argyleskyfpv461]

Awesome video Josh. I cant wait to try this!!!

[@615thAeroSquadron]

Thanks Josh..I have had a blast changing from one rate to another....Its actually made my quad even more fun to mess with. Now I must charge ALL my batteries up...fun stuff

[@illegalLettuce]

Total noob here! I just received the rotor riot vision 40 bundle and I was very curious about rates. THANKS for this very eye opening vid explaining rates. I been lurking on your channel for YEARS and of course subscribed. Thank You mr bardwell

[@MCsCreations]

You know, Joshua, it's going to be interesting a month from now... To see how this experience changed your rates!

[@dominicpsn]

i did the same thing before in Liftoff with the max/min rates out of boredom and for laughs. but this is great to see in real life, i was always curious how accurate it would be..and its pretty accurate to the sim. thanks for taking the risks 🙃

[@djovanimiok3487]

As usual in your videos I learn something !!!!!!!! Thank you for for the time and great video. You talked about rates in many of your videos, but this one is definitely the final cut.

[@YTFPV]

Thanks great video took me few month of flying manual before getting into all those setting, but now i am ready!

[@elishahodgson1635]

This is exactly what I did 6 years ago in the freerider sim to figure out which rates I wanted. I ended up settling around 1100deg/sec and never looked back!

[@BenadrylBillFPV]

I think I've watched this video 10 times in the last month! Love ya JB

[@MCsCreations]

The beginning of the video made me remember the first time I tried to fly (in LiftOff, of course, you always need to start in a simulator). I just crashed, and again, and again, and again... And I just couldn't stop laughing! 😂 Thanks, Joshua!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@ReggieRailSystems]

Kemosabe, you know, I learned some interesting changes to incorporate in my dual camera Andy Shen Geyser Camera drone. Turning my rates much lower than I thought anyone would sensibly go actually made some inside building shots far better than my mini whoops for indoor use. Yea, I learned something here big time.

[@spec4echo]

JB this was a really great video. Good test of the left and right rates, and you answered something I always wondered about but never did! Keep it up!

[@Gosuminer]

For years I've flown rates that aren't too far off your 300/2000 experiment, mine are 300/1440 and it is totally possible to nail 360° snap rolls/flips with a little practice. Very low rates are a valid choice if you don't intend to ever go upside down ("Mavic mode") but you would have to combine this with throttle expo (or Lidar support) to help with height control for smooth footage.

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

Haha i run stock 670 on everything and it flips and rolls just fine right off the ground. To fast of rates id think wouldnt look to nice on camera.

[@P8FPV]

This was a brilliant video showing what rates and expo do 😁👍🤙

[@Hahahe568]

“I don’t like linear curves at all”~Joshua Bardwell 2022😂

[@zfpv7211]

This is surprisingly fascinating. I have never thought about testing the extremes 😂

[@johncarold]

Hi Josh Great video on your BF rates. I just have never played with my rates, but I need to start learning how. I just fly with what the quad came with. The Mother-in-law house is looking great. LOL Thanks again for the video and information.

[@mattwilson1305]

I really like your content man. Thank you

[@kloudfpv]

bwahaha, i was dyeing when you dropped the rates super low! great F*%king video Bardwell!

[@stupiduser6646]

I’m flying FPV for customers and this was the exact lesson I needed. Flying indoors cinematic this is excellent information.

[@justfly7730]

Best video I ve watched for a long time.

[@cantigas1990]

That's why I pay internet! Man your laught was so nice and happy 😁. Nice vid mate really funny to see... I don't even fell the time passing by.

[@filippinoflipfpv1380]

Love how much you love doing this!

[@brianbutcher7409]

The Low rates created a super cinematic effect on the video, smooth transitions are pleasing to the eye, could be useful technique for CineWhoop pilots to consider.

[@leodfpv4628]

Loved it bro that was awesome 😎

[@IanBeaty]

This is definitely one of the best Bardwell videos I have seen, and I have seen a lot! And I definitely learned something from it!

[@armandrone9016]

That was really cool, I laughed a lot here. Your reactions were very real and fun, I loved it!!!!

[@Sebastian_992]

Hey Joshua, Can you maybe make a video on „how to find your custom rates?“

[@robinkonings1728]

Wow this made rates and expo sooooo much less complicated! Thank you JB!

[@karl244]

9:30 Only works with calm conditions. If there’s some wind you need a certain amount of control.

[@dystopiannoise6782]

Awesome idea and video!

[@NikCification]

I subbed man! You seem like a very cool, nice, humble guy! Look forward to watching more of your videos. I actually plan to buy a DJI FPV drone at the end of the month! Very much looking forward to it.

[@Sir_Hubris]

I ♥ low rates and low (0) expo... and yes for cinematic filming! ¶ ; - ) great video JB!

[@koltongrundy2639]

I need to see 2000 degrees per second LOS!! 😵‍💫😂

[@airgunningcolorado78]

I've ran a quad with expo and maxed to 2000degrees/s. Double rolls a few feet off the ground and sketchy. Theoretically if you are typically at 900/1000 and move to 2000 and keep your same timing on tricks they will all be double. Yaws spins flips and rolls look crazy 🤪

[@RakishRc]

Awesome video! Fun and experimental. I'll try and play with the rates to get my hglrc Veyron 30 cinewhoop fly better hopefully 👍

[@sunshynff]

Great video!! Not only was it entertaining but it gave me a great tip. I just finished my first 6" build, it's main use will be a chase quad, we have a small midget class track nearby, but I also film local downhill long board skaters a couple times a year at competitions and for fun. Was trying to decide what rates would be good to use, but after seeing this, I won't be afraid to tune it down way lower than I would have before. I mean there's turns in down hill skating, but it's not like an F1 track, it's pretty straight with casual curves. Thanks again!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Bear in mind, the faster the quad is going, the faster you need to be able to turn, if only to suddenly slow down or swerve to avoid a crash. I'd always want to give myself maybe 500 dps at full stick for emergencies even if center stick was much lower.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Try to program in something like this: First 1/3 of the stick, linear to 100-deg/s. Second 1/3 of the stick: "linear" moving up to 400-deg/s. Final 1/3 of movement: "linear" moving up to 1600-deg/s.

[@captainthruster9484]

I guess we all learn a little differently. I understood rates because it's obvious. I probably watched 10 videos on expo and couldn't seem to grasp it. This video which is not based around expo at all explained to me in a way that made sense for a non-rocket scientist type like myself. Jb, helping noobs through osmosis

[@SCFPV]

Same here. I had an Aha moment at the expo part. Good stuff.

[@SteveCEvans]

Impressed at how little bounce back you got at 2000 deg/sec. Maybe this is a valid tuning step? Would be interesting to see the logs.

[@JoshDisher]

I'm so glad I discovered this hobby at a time in my life where I can afford to keep breaking stuff... (I'm finally flying 100% in acro and feeling comfortable flying proximity anywhere there aren't moving people) I'm super stoked at my current ability, but I've destroyed SO MUCH STUFF to get here! I actually have several "cringe" moments that even now scare the shit out of me! The worst of the worst was when I created my own parallel charging setup for 3x 1500mah 4s batteries... Thank God they caught fire right away instead of 10 min later when I was planning on going upstairs 😅

[@slaughtercarterfpv1336]

Each day I learn a little bit more about this hobby

[@jianliu9420]

This video saved me tons of testing and better understanding of those rates. What is your rc smoothing, 30, 100?

[@BengalCatChilli]

max rates! max fun!

[@somerandom3247]

this video really shows off your skill. I have given different rates a go and crash out a lot.

[@RCDUDEFPV]

Great explanations of rates, Thumbs up

[@jesselopezdrones4396]

I gotta try this very interesting outcomes. 🤔

[@jakepickett3685]

That's great for science probably the only person to do this on purpose

[@scu-dub]

I'm just super impressed that you were even able to straighten the quad back out with the high rates lmao🤣 I would've been rolling left and right all the way to the ground 😂

[@DankElm]

I feel like I’m the only person that flies rates like mine. I fly 50 center, 500 max, .5 expo. Super controlled and slow adjustment near the center but I can still throw a flip or roll in less than a second. Works well for me, I primarily just skim fields at high speeds and then get height to flip and roll and then dive down again.

[@donh7654]

Joshua, awesome as always! This is really good for beginners, to know how to dial in the rates on their first drone and also on a simulator. I really don't know why the simulators don't have a beginner set up after angle mode. Also having a mix with the yaw and roll. Then slowly reduce the mix when the beginners get more proficient. Getting time on the sticks is so important. I'm just learning to fly drones. But I've been flying DC planes for many years and you don't put a beginner in a 3d flier. Just doesn't work.

[@Vizzix]

High rates can improve your soldering skills!

[@GoochiFPV]

Basically Skitzo's old rates at the end haha!

[@James-ch7un]

Defiantly learned something. Very good video of how rates control the quad without me just banging some numbers in and crashing.

[@jmckenna2k10]

Try 540 with negative expo where it's jumpier towards the center. I don't know if that's even a possibility in BF, though Linear 2000 still isn't a full 2000 at the center. Each 1% of stick deflection increases your turn rate by 20 degrees per second. 5% is 100 degrees. 25% is 500 degrees. 50% is 1000 degrees. It's a linear progression from 0 to 2000.

[@mattwarner1710]

Where was the Yaw at 2000? That is where I always found my rates fall apart with increase. Huge elevation spikes. Really enjoyed the video, great fun investigation.

[@AmericanSmallArms]

Just like the Feds... Higher and higher rates! 🤣

[@leukota]

Fun fact: If you are against the fed, you are by definition a Confederate

[@survivealiveofficial4056]

I like my rates up near 900 with 60% on my expo...gives me the response I want for freestyle, and the smoothness for cruising.

[@Shauny_D]

I keep way less expo for racing close to linear. For cinematic tons of expo and for freestyle right in the middle. It would be interesting to see. your thoughts on crazy high pitch and yaw but much slower yaw and vise versa.

[@gus8378]

I use a low rates mode on an AUX channel to land precisely

[@TheVeganarchism]

Any chance of a tutorial? That sounds like a great idea.

[@gus8378]

@@TheVeganarchism These are my rates and switches setup. Acro Mode: Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s Roll 0.50 |0.71 |0.20 |345 Pitch 0.60 |0.71 |0.20 |414 Yaw 1.30 |0.32 |0.15 |382 Landing Mode: Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s Roll 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Pitch 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Yaw 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240 Throttle limit (scale): 60% Throttle middle point: 0.7 Throttle expo: 0.5 Air mode: off The Yaw on the landing mode is the same as pitch and roll, but it feels much more reduced than the others compared to our usual Acro mode rates. That is meant to provide more control and stability, and it's better to line up the quad with the place you want to land while still in acro mode, before activating this landing mode. Also notice that there is a 60% throttle scale, also to provide more precision and altitude control, so you have to quickly move the throttle up a little bit as you activate this mode. You also have to tune the throttle MID point to match the throttle needed to hover, as this is different in every quad. Turning Air Mode off on Landing mode is so that it won't bounce off the surface you're landing on. This way you can just reduce the throttle to land, instead of having to disarm before you touch down like we do on Acro mode. It takes a bit of practice to get used to it, but not much. You can see some examples of me landing on my car roof at the end of my GEPRC Phantom videos on my youtube account. (There is a Bardwell video explaining how to set up different rates profiles on AUX switches)

[@TheVeganarchism]

@@gus8378 Thank you so much!

[@wilmesz1992]

I experienced this when setting up a new whoop. Somehow the settings got messed up and set the rates to 2000 degrees linear. I didn't realize it and took off and immediately did a faceplant into the ground. I actually flew it around for a bit but it was downright scary!

[@babyzfpv1234]

Thank you for teaching me about rates Joel

[@jwc4520]

Teaching mode ...lol things I'd like to see, quite copter, long flight time copter, EDF copter. Maybe explaining how they fly 300 quad in formations ...take care

[@tylerelliottFPV]

This was a fun video. Much appreciated.

[@sammarple9443]

Loved the video a very learning experience

[@KageBlink]

You know, every single one of your videos. I've actually learned something.

[@cyberoverkill5844]

Good vid, lots of chuckles had

[@DriftaholiC]

It's so hard to explain in text but you want to be able to fly by feel not sight. If you can do that you've got your rates correct. IE if you did the same moves with you eyes closed as open and got the same results.

[@doccock100]

the other way around. pick you rates based on the flying style you want to emulate, practice a few hundred hours so that you can time your trick right. the visual component calibrates your muscle memory

[@DriftaholiC]

@@doccock100 Then you can learn to copy someone else instead of being original.

[@doccock100]

@@DriftaholiC there is nothing original im afraid, any belief is deludional.

[@UofTguy]

Super helpful lesson for a beginner! I wonder what sort of rates you would use to turn your fresstyle drone into a cinematic drone.

[@radholm2628]

Nice experiment! Do you have a video where you build and fly those wood obstacles in the meadow?

[@doccock100]

There is a discussion in a live stream about him getting some dude to build it out of old fence wood. There is a video showing him flying them, you'll have to search through... its in the last 6 months

[@wlajanek]

Dziękujemy.

[@wearemany73]

Okay, this is the ONLY fun, enjoyable way to learn about rates. I've got to mention how beautiful it was at JB's place. 🌞 Ohh God, I'm such an old man..👴

[@TheDro]

haha loved the new challenge of slow rates. they should make a slow race for drones like ive seen with motorcycles.

[@Flumphinator]

And today, sbang was born.

[@RCRitterFPV]

Good stuff, enjoyed watching you learn :)

[@contouraerials]

I see that disc wok on the wall! got any bardwell family recipes?

[@notsure1502]

Elbow rates in 22 like its a new thing

[@quadsquadfpv2476]

My quad had an issue that made it roll and pitch at probably 300 dps no matter ho much I bumped up the rates. That is the worst feeling when you try a foward flip at 300 dps! Thank god I figured that out! The in flight adjustments, which controlled rate profiles, somehow got set to my flight mode switch. Even though I would change my rate to say 1.5, it would go back low when I hit that switch on the taranis and put the quad in acro mode. I hope this helps someone. It would make my quad almost unflyable, at least for freestyle flying. 🤣

[@SkyCandyVisuals]

Interesting. Thx for this. I bet 50-300 dps would be good for filming indoors for real estate

[@ZorrotorFPV]

Watching Joshua Bardwell laughing made my day :)

[@jeromeassauw]

Definitely Learned Something today 🙌👍

[@lambo_drives]

wonder what maxair420 rates are? thing that make me think hmmm.... thanks for playing, Joshua

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

As Max would say, "rates suck!" Lol

[@lambo_drives]

@@SunriseWaterMedia 🤣 i's just bein' punny, you's just bein funny

[@hojiqabait]

The rates will definitely differ between 195mm to 250mm wheelbase and also differences in the pitch of the props and also taller to wider motor stator and ofkos p/w ratio too plus max/min stick travel not to mention kv nor kT. I mean, every single hardware config is related to those rates. Control rates must balance off those instruments rates as per operator that operates. Thus, rates profiles. 💁

[@YuriiTheHuman]

Joshua taking off and flying at 2000 is basically me first days of flying at normal rates, haha.

[@CLMcrawlers]

Nice experiment...👍🏻