The Betaflight setting you MUST change | SETPOINT WEIGHT

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I change this setting on every single one of my quads, but I've finally decided it's important enough to recommend that everybody else do it to. In fact, I wonder if this setting is one of the main reasons some people feel Betaflight flies worse than other firmwares like Butterflight, FlightOne, and so forth.

[@houdinifpv7423]

Do you need 3.3.3 to try this? Seems like there was a fix in the latest version for the d-term transition. And is maybe related to this git hub post github.com/betaflight/betaflight/issues/5657

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You may want to not set Transition all the way to 0.01 in that case.

[@houdinifpv7423]

I'm planning on installing 3.3.3 so I'll post how it goes. Ps. Always in your debt for all the knowledge passed😊

[@brokenfpv4601]

My quads freaked out at .01 transition

[@jeffreyodachowski6247]

Daniel Braker so should I just the first line and not the second line ?

[@TheMadmacs]

can you recommend an alternative starting setting?.. i fly a homemade chameleon style frame

[@hateeternalmaver]

Joshua thanks so much. You're doing so much for us all. Even though you basically already covered all aspects of tuning you're still able to find out something new like that. WOW. I was about to go fly in an hour or so anyway and I will sure give this a try.

[@Splinterfpv]

I can tell you this definitely works I started out with my set point at 1 I've worked it up to about 1.14 transition is at 0.01 and my quad feels much much smoother and more connected. I've had it this way for about the last 4 months and I feel like my progression has improved due to this setting.👍👍

[@mrmeowsir2355]

I did these changes and its like a whole new quad. My quad isn't choppy anymore. Thank You JB!!

[@climber120]

Love it! So much better. My progression to butter continues on with progress such as this.

[@danrchobbies8994]

Tried it and a HUGE difference! Thanks JB You'd the man

[@kumokraft]

Thanks JB! I went out and tested at 1 and .01, it flys way sharper with just the right amount of smooth, love it!

[@nilsmeinardi]

Whoo, one of the best things I've done to my quad! Thanks!

[@garycragg1]

Hi JB , wow i tried this adjustment today and it was a definite improvement. It felt much crisper with flips n rolls . thanks.

[@Nitroburn247]

I am gratefull for the knowlledge and the way it is presented , great channel !

[@CrazyAlex00]

Hi Joshua! Love the front-loading idea... sometimes when I don't have a lot of time, it's difficult to watch your videos in their entirety. But I hate missing one... this way, I can learn what I need at the beginning and dive in deeper in the future... thanks!

[@TMacFPV]

Joshua-really like you "front-loading" the video. Bottom Line First, followed up by detailed explanation. Well done! I will watch the entire detailed explanation to get the background of those topics in which I'm interested. Will give this Set Point & Transition a shot. Great video and insight! Thanks.

[@Andrew-ui5qn]

100% agree. Oddly I was just thinking about this as I had to flash a receiver and bardwell helped me out but I fast forwarded through 85% of chit chat. This is where blue falcon excelled, problem was solved short and sweet. But bardwell your content is great, and you mixing it up with frontloading is good idea

[@homiethefish]

I really like the front-loading also! It makes referring back to the video SO MUCH easier. Who else out there has spent way to much time trying to find that one or two sentences containing the meat of the video. Thank you Joshua.

[@noloWSU]

Agreed. Makes re-watching the video for the "meat" much easier.

[@jeffvenable3845]

Joshua...as always...i appreciate your information. Thank you for taking the time.

[@christopherwhull]

Thanks for the reminder and encouragement to move the slider around and see if something else works. I got some work to do this weekend to fly more connected.

[@fraaggl]

Love yours videos, so clear and precise !

[@wrevenaugh]

Wow Joshua, this is fantastic, and might I say, perfectly timed for me personally. I don't know where along the line I was told (maybe it was my leader 120 stock pids?) but I was by default setting up everything I owned to SP Weight 2 and Trans to .25 and I've had this "disconnected" feeling lately, and not having the slightest idea what to do about it. I can't wait to try this. Bless you, man, for having the nads to come right out and say "TRY THIS, IT WAS A BUG, AND IT CAN BE CORRECTED BY DOING THIS.....". So greatful, man. Many many thanks.

[@Karamvir24]

Dear Joshua, normally leave your channel on in the background while I do stuff. Always very informative. I recently got a new quad built and was really loving it. I felt that it just wasn't as zippy as my 2" which is a beast. I was like, fuck it, why not try this......massive difference! Like night and day! I would seriously suggest this to anyone who feels their quad should be a bit more zippy. My new 3" was awesome, I absolutely love it now! I've been trying to hang upside down smoothly for the last two weeks, I just ripped an 850 3s in like 3 mins, most of which was inverted. Was the first time I could thrash my quad about like I wanted it to. Thank you so much!

[@hippychip1159]

Cheers Joshua, will try these settings before my cheeky earlier morning flight.

[@JustInvertedFpv]

I'm on bf 3.2.4 still but this setting was magical for me today. My quad felt amazing! Thanks JB!

[@garytolhopf]

Love the way you explain stuff JB... thank you for being you!

[@KeithKing31]

Thank you for sharing this information. I will do this for my beta and butterflight quads.

[@yinzerfpv5764]

Thank you Joshua! I’ll be trying this on my 6” BF quad later today.

[@pauliman1098]

Great vid Joshua, this'll help so many hundreds of pilots.

[@mokron1015]

That shed some real light on that for me. Thanks Joshua

[@arnerrvik7586]

Thanks, Barwell! I'm gonna test this tonight.

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

Great info. Thanks JB ⭐️

[@timrodriguez1]

As always, very informative and helpful. Thanks, Joshua!

[@f-14fpv26]

Love the videos Bardwell!! been flying fpv for a month now and i tell ya ive learned a ton of stuff from watching the vids such a great help man!! TEACH ME MORE!!!! haha have a good day bro!!

[@waynesrcspin4827]

Thanks Josh you made that quite easy to understand, i'm going to try this and see how it goes.

[@TheInfinium]

Thanks Joshua. I like when you say something usefull at begining and then explain what it does. It saves time. :D Thank mate for all your hard work.

[@munichFPV]

haha, yesterday I watched your PID Tuning videos and wanted to do some tuning by myself. Now I will also work with the setpoint wieght. thanks for that!

[@cborel83]

OMG I can't wait to try this thanks so much Josh

[@D3VIOUSM3THODS]

Thanks JB for this investigation and conclusion. Going to run some packs today and give this a test.

[@MkmeOrg]

Changed as advised. Will see how it does later today. Thanks Josh!

[@JamienM]

Wow what a difference that made to my quad! Good stuff

[@quintinlindsey7967]

Thank you so much man, I come from 3d flying helis so I really like a very sharp feeling and I have been messing with my rates etc trying to get that feeling and you just showed me how to do it in 8 minutes! Thanks man and definitely keep doing what you do!!! By the way I have your JBf4RDQ fc and it fly's amazing and it was my first true build but your manual explained everything in detail and trust me if you could get me to understand this electronic stuff without baby steps...you're doing good lol!!!

[@svenniefpv]

yes i confirm your understadement, i cam to the exact same conclusion few weeks ago testing those values setpoint weight to 1 and transition to 0.5. this in combination with good pids and filtering....Bam improved my flying so well. it's nice to see that i had the same conclusion. nice video!

[@juddyjacob4937]

Wow, what a difference, Thanks Josh!!

[@denihei]

Already did this "secret tune" on my micro since couple weeks ago, and it flew so much better than default setting. Love it..

[@TheDmc01]

thanks josh now my quad feels very good great video

[@furcalor]

Thank you for the great videos!

[@spacecowboyfpv5511]

Thnaks Josh! Always wondering about these two settings!

[@mornekotze5570]

This is amazing! I set mine on a different profile, went to fly 2 packs without any changes, then flew 5 packs with it on... Thought it wasn't that much better but then flew my original settings and it felt like a tanker ship! Thanks Mr Bardwell, today I learnt something!

[@ktmjay9920]

Awesome video, been running 1 an 1 for awhile since your last video. Going to try new suggestion. THANKS AGAIN!!

[@JoshuaBardwell]

My understanding of Transition was wrong. I think they changed the way it worked some time and I missed it.

[@SkylineUSA09]

Need to check this setting, thanks!

[@jaywyant-king7538]

This was a great video. I appreciate the front loading and the specificity of the topic. I saved a PID profile with the recommended settings and was flying within an hour; flew 6 packs and crashed on almost every one. Despite this, I'm pleased I took this recommendation and can't wait to get out and fly tomorrow as the quad felt significantly better. I was crashing because I wasn't used to the responsiveness; a problem I am happy to have.

[@pippifpv]

Great info. Very informative. Thank you Joshua

[@dongz07]

I tried while ago it was good...thanks Josh!

[@JGraham4713]

Haven’t tried it yet, but I will give it a go and see. Thanks for the info.

[@azeazell]

Great vid Joshua.

[@WildpixFPV]

Thanks for this explanation! Looking forward to try it, I totally felt what you mean by sluggishness around the center, was trying to figure out many reasons but not this one.. ;)

[@yosayogi539]

Great info buddy. Thanks

[@vid_OK999]

Great video!! More like this helpful video.Thank you Josh !!

[@ashade4037]

Great video man.

[@johnruscavage9128]

Thanks for another great video. I’ve always run setpoint of 1.0 and transition of around .6 but after watching this I decided to try .1 transition and my quad just flipped out on first roll almost like a desync combined with rates set to 2000 degrees/sec. I’m using Betaflight 3.3.2 on my Hyperlow Vert Freestyle and it flies great with my original tune. I think folks need to be careful if they already have a tight tune. My pgains are at 54 and 70 for roll and pitch with close to stock d term. I’d recommend setting pids back to stock before trying this.

[@RockFPV]

I realized a week ago why some of my quads were running like crap. Started to play with it. Thanks for the explanation.

[@sticks73]

Net geprobeerd.. maakt echt een groot verschil.. 👍tx joshua

[@sadistix82]

It worked! I am connected to my quad better and am flying with more confidence. Ans like you said i feel i need to reduce 'p' on pitch and roll a little. Thanks Joshua.

[@Robert67909]

Great video man , i was wondering when someone was gonna talk about this! The setting has a lot to do with it but I still think butterfly and raceflight one is better I still fly betaflight and use the same settings 1.1 + 0.4 on all most all my builds and Butterflight still feels better off center stick!

[@gemsquashthg]

Thank you for the insight. As always there is something to learn.

[@lostsoul5655]

Thank you Joshua. That is one setting in betaflight I have never even noticed. Can't wait to get home tonight to power up my laptop and get one of my quads connected and then go and blast off a few packs.😎

[@MennoBrox]

Tried my Reverb to today and it flew better. Thanks Johsua

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

I have been waiting for this video since I started using flight controllers thank you Bardwell

[@centralpennrealtor]

Was banging my head trying to get my tune sharp just today on my 3” sparrow I built, and it wasn’t until I bumped those 2 settings my quad came alive! I finished the day at .5 & .5 but will def try 1.0 & .01 tomorrow. Def agree these settings are not to be ignored!

[@twgdreamz3733]

Completely right! I found this a few months back, and personally use 2 as Setpoint Weight. It's almost impossible to get prop wash as well! Stock pids just change the weight and the quad flies great

[@berberdodo]

i love this setting! different perspectives the better! thanks!...

[@Zugmunt]

Excellent. Thank you for what you do.

[@JustForFunRC]

Thanks for the explanation, I'm gonna try that ASAP.

[@aftermathfpv1153]

Thanks for the awesome information keep it up 👍

[@centralpennrealtor]

So another interesting observation on this topic using black box to tune: was getting bounce back at the end of flips & rolls (even D term oscillation sometimes) that I couldn't seem to clean up with typical pid tuning. At that time I was 1.0 on setpoint weight and .2 on transition. Upped the transition to 1.0 and the bounce back was gone! True it was a little too smooth however ended up at .8 on transition and now flips and rolls are spot on and matching RC Command very nicely at the end of those maneuvers with no bounce back. Unbelievable the impact these seemingly harmless little sliders actually have on flight performance/characteristics.

[@DJDevine]

Thank you, I will try it when the rain stops

[@geoavia]

Very usefull video. Thanks!

[@mikehedrick4349]

Good info. Thanks man.

[@reggiestone730]

Thanks! Giving this a whirl this weekend :)

[@ndrake55]

Your the man! thanks buddy.

[@Jestlow]

I was harassing you on your last video to do this update! I am glad I have a video to link people to now when I can't explain it to them antiquity!

[@1337flite]

Agree - this is the setting which made my quads feel like they fly good. My mate was going on and on about it after seeing a KababFPV video on it. And they were right. Never played with my PIDs trying to get my quads flying good since. Don't need to it feels great.

[@Frankdubbsfpv]

I been setting it to 1 for the longest. Makes a huge difference

[@strangeskull]

Great vid!!

[@Nick-xe2hu]

I updated to 3.3.3 with these settings suggested in the video on a Matek F405 running 8K/8K on BLHeli32 running 48K and it was super crazy locked in. A noticeable improvement to what I thought was already a great flying machine.

[@bartverleysen999]

Finaly some more info about D setpoint,nicely done! I think you schould also point out that with a 3" quad or smaller high D setpoint weight,or not enough setpoint transition can cause the quad to keep flipping(flip of dead??) when the sick is banged very hard. My XJB145 almost shook itself out of existance with a D setpoint W of 1.4 and setpoint transition of 0 , same is true for the stock betaflight settings,it stutters and schakes even in a hover with stock pids and the motors are hot.This was felt and heard way more in acro mode ofcourse. Have my D gains at 18/19 and D setpoint at 1, transition at 0.4 and it flies nice now. Just wanted to point that out,keep it up man!

[@rid3withthewindvaj131]

This does work for me, feels good!

[@TRITONFPV]

Great Video. Set mine to 1 and .5 - flies better now. Who would've thought 👍

[@sotexpbplaya]

I brought up this question in a previous livestream and you brought it up in video, since I have been using 1.0 and earlier bf versions .3 but have been setting higher but lost quad so lately haven't got the best up to date BF settings but 1 and .35 for freestyle, and 1 .6 for later versions but I have been using Butterflight . I have done a lot of research on the D term setpoint and weight values and should make a video of the findings.

[@MrShutterBug]

Great video, as always. Keep it up! I increased my set-point weight a few weeks ago, and you're totally right. It's way better! I could not lower the set-point transition all the way, however. I tried, but it twitched and made bad sounds when I tried to turn, almost as if the FC was loose and giggling around. I increased the set-point transition to 0.2 and the problem went away. That's on a 6S racing build with Betaflight 3.3.1.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Check the pinned comment on this video :-) There is a BF bug relating to Transition.

[@lazyboy1871]

Set both quads with 1.0 weight and 0.01 transition. Both flew like a bag of crap, jittery and death rolls on flips. Changed transition to 0.5 and instant butter SOO pleased I took my laptop to the field. Cheers JB!

[@NachoFPV]

Well I learned something new today. Thank you Obi Wan KiBardwell lol! I always look forward to your videos everyday. I am changing this on all my kwads right now. Do you think this affects the whoops in the same manner? I have set the weight to 4 on a whoop and found it flew wonderfully. Anyway, thanks again sir.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Be careful if you run BF 3.3.1 or 3.3.2 as there is a bug that will make your quads flip out.

[@1917VIL]

Interesting...I guess I knew what setpoint weight did, but I was a bit off on the exacts of the transition. I set the weight to 0, which I thought was essentially disabling it, then I have been setting the transition to one, because I also thought that would disable it...been racing, and didn't want that slow transition at the end of a movement. I had no idea the transition at 1 was damning my center stick feel...thanks for the great video!!!

[@Rvalivesound]

Preesh man! Learned the basics of using D gain and understand how it opposes the P gain when raised. Now I have an idea why my motors might come down hotter than usual and what to do about it.

[@scotty562]

You are the hero this hobby needs.

[@SmoothCruizer37]

scotty562 omg yaw n

[@MDILeon]

Great video Joshua.. i am going to check this out! hope it does improve the flight... i let you know tomorrow XD

[@ugpfpv361]

Yep after playing with various setting over the year I settled on set point weight at 1.0 and trans at around .33. I've been telling anyone who'll listen they should play around with their rates and setting more often than the once a year that some others are stating... as I say "the worst that will happen is you don't like it and you go back to how you had it, but you just might find something that you like better", either because you've become a better pilot and or you want to try a different style of flying. I actually have 3 different rates on my 3 position switch, and even though they vary by only up to one point, depending on what I'm doing it makes a difference.

[@UnlimitedVertical]

Thanks for the clear, informative explanation. I was running .5 and 1...changing it now. I doubt I'll get to fly it until next week though :-(

[@UnlimitedVertical]

Now that I've had a chance to fly it I think I will be keeping these new settings. Much better than what I had....but that is after only 3 flights spread across two quads in wind, so a certain amount of placebo effect might still be in play.

[@SpeedChair]

Have to try this, so technical.

[@ruellerz]

Thanks! The rooster feels so light now. I may slightly adjust this more but definitely better

[@mfpv_detroit8182]

Changed mine and went to next level

[@Cman815]

Thanks Joshua!!

[@danjensen9425]

I'll try it on my 250 and 220 . All my pids are default for now as all I'm doing. Is rolls , loops and immelmans . Thanks glad I got this now.

[@RollnHeavyKevy]

I'm going to try this right after work.

[@JoshStevensOcala]

Awesome Video, there was an Ah Ha moment around 6:00. Great explanation, my friend.