Free heating fuel but it's illegal - £120 8kw Diesel parking heater review from VEVOR

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Joshua De Lisle

Joshua De Lisle

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@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
!!PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING!! I've done a follow up video as I understand now that it's impossible to be 8kw as diesel doesn't contain that much energy in the 350ml that I tested. So I've conduct a new experiment to calculate the actual heat output. I've also be testing how much electricity these consume at different Hz and also use the exhaust to boil water. Please let me know if there is anything else you would like to see tested in the future videos. Watch the follow up here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqXMhHh9hJujj6s Here are some links: The Diesel heater I recomend getting: UK: amzn.to/3ZO5S57 USA: amzn.to/3ZQgBMr Diesel heater featured: UK: amzn.to/3TUGYgo USA: amzn.to/3TUGYgo Additional affiliate links: Power supply 240v - 12v 300w UK: amzn.to/3BhmvZO USA: amzn.to/3PaYJoc glow plug burner mesh: UK: amzn.to/4euSkQv USA: amzn.to/4erp1OH Thank you Cheers J
@TheManFrayBentos
@TheManFrayBentos 2 жыл бұрын
You'll probably find it's more like 4 to 5kW - some of them are even smaller. The actual 2kW ones, sold as such, have a lower rate pump. I don't think any of the cheap ones are a genuine 8kW, that's all bullchit.
@KevinLee-ww3ny
@KevinLee-ww3ny 2 жыл бұрын
Please do the followup 😉
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheManFrayBentos yes this is what I'm now discovering... Cheers J
@DICEGEORGE
@DICEGEORGE 2 жыл бұрын
YOU SHOULD PUT THIS IN THE DESC RIPTION AT THE TOP
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
@@DICEGEORGE good idea. Thank you. Cheers J
@Pay-No-Mind
@Pay-No-Mind 2 жыл бұрын
Free....AND Illegal?.....Those are two of my favourite things!, you have my attention good sir.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
LoL thank you. Cheers J
@Xziznoel
@Xziznoel Жыл бұрын
i had the same exact thought :D
@mikey92362
@mikey92362 Жыл бұрын
Anything they don't want you to have is probably awesome! It's amazing how many things I never wanted, but still have, just because people in power don't approve of it.
@mikestansbie
@mikestansbie Жыл бұрын
Josh thanks for this video, I was quite amused that you were new to the world of diesel heaters but very interesting that you can use alternative fuels. Im new to your channel and having flicked through your content you have a new fan! Very talented and very well presented. Thanks again Mike
@draculakickyourass
@draculakickyourass 3 ай бұрын
It's illegal because you can burn wasted sunflower oil you get for free from restaurants and fast foods. Also new cooking oil,a lot cheaper in many conturies then the diesel fuel,wich is illegal because you don't pay the fossil fuel tax. In Romania they raised the price of the cooking oil,because the people were running the diesel cars on it😄 They were refueling in the supermarket's parking😆
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
I fitted these on boats and lorries for years, I'm a boat builder now so still deal with them and if set up correctly they last forever👍 First thing mate you need to swap that exhaust around so its not all exiting facing directly down as you generate extra heat in the underplate and if left on constantly for days the burner will be running maybe 5deg over what it should and using more fuel and the bend you cant have it so water and unburnt diesel stores in it or it will have start-up issues. Route the exhaust slightly downwards all the way from the unit so have it come out and down slightly then where it goes outside put your 90 bend sideways and facing downwards then have the exhaust aimed out at a slight dangle downwards so no water or unburnt fuel can store up anywhere on the pipe. Secondly you should fit the heat hose to the front as it brings the heat away from the burner nozzle and in turn saves fuel as its then burning at a perfect 163-167deg and 14:1 on the fuel. The best modification you can make for performance is to fit rigid type fuel lines like you get on the boats. They do cheap copy kits that the fuel line is nearly rigid and fits into rubber fuel hose and is clamped together. These ensure the fueling is absolutely accurate as there is no flex or expanding action happening when the pump is on its press stroke, the burner itself will be quieter and the fuel pump will last a lot longer with rigid type fuel hose🙏 What never to do > fit filters over the intake. Put too many bends in the exhaust or burner intake. Extend the wiring without doing the maths relating to wire resistance and if possible always use it on a 12v or 24v DC as mains power can sometimes have power cuts or large spikes that flip breakers... if that happens your heater is toast as it shuts down hard with no shut down sequence, this burns the internal pcb and internal wiring. The genuine ones can take about 5-6 hard shut downs before you need to replace certain parts of the electrics. Also do some homework at what height and angle the pump likes to be at as these all in ones are known for bad fuel lines and pumps facing the wrong direction. To quieten the pump down you can get the pink rubber cover thing for it and mount it so it's not touching anything. Never buy the garbage large thin tanks they all leak and the connector is a nightmare to snug up properly. If using a 5 gallon drum be sure to fit the blue lid on your current tank to it as it needs to breathe.
@user-pf5xq3lq8i
@user-pf5xq3lq8i 2 жыл бұрын
Good. I saw an off-grid video capture some exhaust heat. He did it by having the exhaust run diagonally down through an oil drum filled with oil, before exiting through the wall. So he created a long lasting oil radiator for nighttime when the heater is switched off the oil drum still retains heat through the night, also he had are reflector on the wall behind the drum to push heat out into the room. You must have the exhaust going downwards always as it cools because liquid could condense and clog if you run an exhaust uphill. A good downhill run and keep the pipe clean.
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-pf5xq3lq8i yeah mate the exhaust angle and pump angle affect the proper ones never mind these cheap copies. People dont realise how well these can run and how efficient they can be untill the really dial them in. Its the controllers ability to adapt to its targets like a car ECU that allows even badly fitted ones to run decent enough for a while but the difference in fuel savings and reliability (especially start-ups) from a well plumbed in one from one that's just been kicked into the corner and fuel thrown in it... is night and day. Honestly the 5kw versions that are sold as the 8kw cheapo model you can get the burner running at like 160deg even down low around the 2Hz mark (5kw usually go to 5.5Hz on the pump) with basic fuel line upgrade to rigid and some tweaking in the hidden menu to get the AFR perfect. Straight out of the box if you have a well made one youl be lucky if the burner is at 125deg at lower settings like 2.5Hz so dialling these things in can save you ridiculous amounts of fuel costs. The upper boundary of what any given 5kw unit will do is when the burner can run around 160-167deg as low as 2.6Hz on the pump with an ambient between 20 and 30deg.. and not need plugs every year because you leaned it out too far. That's the absolute sweet spot for any machine.
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
@@s1dew1nd3r4 see the Doblo van being smaller you don't need the 5kw (sold as a 8kw cheapo version) For instance a large Scania V8 T-cab only has a genuine 2kw and it can turn the cab into an oven if you leave them flat out on highest setting for more than about 15-20mins down to even -15deg outside temp. Truly the truck ones are all overkill they will even dry your eyes and throat out if you leave them on full power for anymore than a half hour. Based on that the 5kw is overkill for your application plus if you decided on the 5kw to run on low settings you'd still need to run it flat out every now and again to clear it through and on the shut down sequence when the fan goes flat out and it activates the heater plug for the final few pumps its going to near blow your windows out as the 5kw turn into a leaf blower on shutdown sequence. < These are my reasons for why you should go 2kw. Whatever you choose the wiring up side I would tap into and wire from a constant 12v circuit so it never hard shuts down by accident (and melts the guts out) if for instance you had it wired to ignition circuits when you turned the key off you would hard shutdown the unit. Wire it direct to a constant 12v but also add a switch so you can cut the power to the unit so it isn't draining your battery with the LCD controller unit being live all the time. See the switch/ circuit breaker you put in get a decent one and wire the maintenance charger wires on the connectors that are on the wire coming from your constant 12v circuit to your master switch/breaker. This ensures the maintenance charger isn't on the wrong circuit and supplying a charge to the unit itself when the switch is off. You need the maintenance charger to be charging on the live battery side of the circuit and not after the switch. You'd be suprised how many people make that mistake and wonder why their C-Tek or Optimate goes ape on them. The fueling I would get a proper sender unit or make as close to the genuine one as you can or simply just use the 5ltr one you get in the 5kw all in one units or a Jerry can with a diaphragm in the cap or a breather. The noise in cars/vans/trucks/boats can be annoying AF with the pump ticking if you have either hard mounted the pump or it's touching anything. If you are going for an all in one then your going to be stripping it to fit it so on the fitment I'd get the pink rubber pump thing that everyone buys to quieten them down and I'd mount that with rubber bungs and make sure to keep the fuel lines near the pump away from the body of the vehicle as they too will transfer the ticking noise. See the exhaust you need to pay attention to which silencer you buy as there is generally 2 types of cheapo ones, one is good one is rubbish, the good ones have welds around them not just folded and tacked, make sure on fitment of silencer the drain hole faces downward as this is another common mistake. Heat wise as long as the exhaust isn't too close to anything fluffy fabric or anywhere junk gathers up and you're good to go. Aim the pipe back into the direction of airflow to prevent blowback when you are driving, you don't want it blowing the burner out via the exhaust. The hottest part of the entire unit will be the first bend you put on the exhaust underneath it. Personally if I wasn't running it all the time I'd just do it off the 5ltr tank for the all in one or an outboard motor Jerry can you know the ones that already have the fuel line feed and a breather on the cap. They work amazing for these heaters I put them in a lot of the fitments I do on boats.
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
@@s1dew1nd3r4 if you need proper detailed fitment ideas mate it's no problem. The comment I left above is just my first thoughts on the matter but even when I talk about the maintenance charger I'm thinking you're using mains at a campsite or a genny to charge the battery while the van is in situ. If you're not needing it to be a campervan and not running the heater for 24hr+ with the engine off then you're fine as the 2kw barely use any battery power after the initial start up. If you are keeping the single battery setup in the Doblo then you need it to be able to start the car at all times, the heater controller itself is capable of doing a decent job of that so you would go into the hidden menu and set the "low voltage shutdown" to 11.9v so the unit itself shuts down when it reaches 11.6v not the 10.5v or whatever the unit comes set at. You won't get your engine going if it drains the battery to 10.5v With car batteries they only work well as a 'starter motor' battery above 11.6v anything below this they lose their Cranking ability. Hope this helps further.
@kennethluedtkejr1903
@kennethluedtkejr1903 2 жыл бұрын
A big thanks to all that posted here. I got a lot of useful information. You know that's pretty rare now days.
@kst357
@kst357 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the States & use a diesel heater to heat my workshop. I found that it runs on diesel, kerosene, and Type A Jet fuel but I haven't tried biofuel yet. Kerosene is expensive here and diesel is $4.89 a gallon so I go to a nearby small airfield and buy 10 gallons of Type A Jet fuel for only $3.80 a gallon. The only hitch is that the nozzle of an aircraft self-serve pump won't fit into a standard fuel jug opening so I had to buy two 5 gallon wide-mouth fuel jugs which have a large enough opening. A company named U-Jug makes them. In short, burning Type A in these heaters is a lot less expensive than using diesel fuel or kerosene. I haven't bothered to measure it but I think I get a longer burn on a gallon of Type A than I do on diesel fuel.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That's great information. Kerosene was much cheaper here if you buy in bulk. 1000ltr used to be £400 not long ago but it shot up to £1200. Cheers J
@kenttegneskog
@kenttegneskog 2 жыл бұрын
Spend hundreds of dollars to save a few dollars. 😂
@kst357
@kst357 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenttegneskog Pffft, what a silly & uninformed supposition. I bought my cheap Chinese diesel heater for only $125 (USD). I previously heated my shop with a propane heater & electric heat. The diesel heater was not only much less costly to purchase but is much cheaper & efficient to operate. My fuel/heating cost for a winter season is about $40. A wood stove might be less costly but requires a lot of time & labor to process wood, maintain it, and dedicate space to properly store the wood. Which method do you use & what did it cost?
@kenttegneskog
@kenttegneskog 2 жыл бұрын
@@kst357 i meant if u only spending 40 pity dollar on the winter, but probably spending same in gas to get to the airfield and back, AND it’s illegal. Just to cut the cost from 55dollar to 40dollar
@kenttegneskog
@kenttegneskog 2 жыл бұрын
You said it self u only heat cost is 40dollar thats 11 gallon jet fuel
@allanweseman5433
@allanweseman5433 Жыл бұрын
I am an old Volkswagen mechanic who in the '70s worked on many Eberspacher gasoline heaters factory installed into all Volkswagen Type 4 vehicles. They were in every Type 4 and the early 73 Thing vehicles. This design looks a great deal like what they made with a pulse fuel pump that was timed to the ventilating speed. Their units had both a spark and glow plug for intitial ignition. They ran on gasoline, not diesel. Your high power consumption on startup is from the glow plug.
@c50ge
@c50ge Жыл бұрын
I had a gasoline heater in my 1967 VW micro bus.(van) smelled like hell.
@allanweseman5433
@allanweseman5433 Жыл бұрын
In America, we had US made Southwind heaters, which I also installed in new VW vans in 1969. They also were a little more dangerous due to gasoline leakage fires@@c50ge
@bobbydamig3231
@bobbydamig3231 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I was absolutely amazed with this tutorial!!. I myself being a welder/fabrication teacher. I am currently teaching my children how important or is to have imagination to be a welder.. I found your tutorial amazing and I could not help but support a fellow welder/fabricator.. I wish you nothing but success, wealth and happiness in the future, you are an inspiration to many who are able to see what your doing and the fact that you are potentially helping those who do not have the money to heat their homes in the winter. God Bless you!
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Bobby for your support. Your very kind and it's much appreciated. I have lots more to bring soon. Including a welder review that is TIG, MIG, Stick, Flux core and plasma In one machine, so we'll see if it's any good and I'll do my best to demonstrate all the processes and my tips I've learned over the years. God you and your family also. All the very best. Cheers J
@bobbydamig3231
@bobbydamig3231 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuadelisle your very welcome I look forward to seeing more of your videos. I was very impressed with your ability to make things so easily and use your imagination and apply it to different configurations.. you are a very intelligent person who is capable of providing people with the right info to help the less fortunate.. thats something I find amazingly useful.. good luck on your future endeavors and I wish you all the best.. keep doing what you do best.. God bless
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
@@bobbydamig3231 your very Kind Bobby. I'll do my best to continue helping any way I can. God bless. Cheers J
@moffat27
@moffat27 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first of your videos I’ve ever seen, and I stumbled across it completely randomly (the previous video I watched before this popped up, was about the Alaskan oil pipeline. Lol) Your level of interest in the product, your explanations, the information you provide, you pulling it apart to see what’s inside it, etc. has immediately earned you a sub. 👍🏻
@Turnerautosport01
@Turnerautosport01 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto!
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Hopefully lots more to come. Cheers J
@jentzie8144
@jentzie8144 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto! Love the creativity and, "...insert it into the female receiving end, right." quip😂
@jdcook5496
@jdcook5496 2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@tomclayton9881
@tomclayton9881 2 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@epajarjestelmainsinoori9037
@epajarjestelmainsinoori9037 2 жыл бұрын
Couple of suggestions from cold wintery Finland: Calculate the price comparison calculations via the thermal energy of diesel also. 350ml an hour is not 8kW - even at 100% effienciency. More like half of it. Also you have losses (exhaust, which you could utilize. Also consider taking air to burn from outside as now you are drawing cold air into the room for the unit to burn (this depends on your needs to ventilate but especially true if you have a ventilation system with heat re-capturing (heat exchanger between the hot-out and cold-in, like we have in the cold countries). Last thing is to insulate that gap under the sheet metal with some fire proof rock/glass wool. Now you have an unisulated spot there.... Or you could run the exhaust inside a long vent tube in and have your fresh air already preheated.
@mackelby1
@mackelby1 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, when you do the math it's a little over 5 and the 5 kw they sell is more like 3.5
@passenger3
@passenger3 2 жыл бұрын
@JoshuaDeLisle. reporting for spam
@peterbetts8740
@peterbetts8740 2 жыл бұрын
Diesel is easy to work out - it contains 10kWh per litre If he used 350ml in one hour - the machine was producing, *in total*, 3.5kWatts Of which easily half was going out through the exhaust. Just goes to show you don't need much heat energy to warm up a given space - if it's reasonably well-insulated and not draughty. A modest paraffin (kerosene) heater would do instead. No noise. No electrics needed and 100% heat output from similarly energy-dense fuel. Kerosene presently priced at about half the quoted price of red diesel. Small greenhouse heaters can be had for about £30 each Depending on room size (do check this) but in the UK, if the thing is rated at 5kW or less (500ml consumption per hour) you don't need a flue but get a carbon monoxide alarm anyway. Same applies to any fuel, natural gas, butane or propane. And the joy of the greenhouse heater is instant set-up and portability
@paullangton-rogers2390
@paullangton-rogers2390 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterbetts8740 Are paraffin heaters safe to use in a resident setting? Those used to be popular in the old days before modern central heating didn't they. You hear horror stories about people dying from carbon monoxide poisoning from falling asleep with one of those running in the same room either due to them being defective or no proper ventilation for the fumes..like you said though it comes down to having proper ventilation and a good carbon monoxide alarm detector. I expect modern paraffin heaters with technology built in are a lot safer than the old ones of the 1950's-1970's era. I used to work for a company which designed and manufactured carbon monoxide detection, measurement and alarm devices for industrial use but I didn't have much involvement in that side of their business. We used to sell a lot of them to breweries around the world I remember though!
@usanineoneone
@usanineoneone 2 жыл бұрын
​@@peterbetts8740 Agreed. Using mains gas in the UK is nearly 3 times cheaper per Kw/h than using red diesel. Also remember, it doesn't take much energy to heat up air. The problem is, the walls, the floor and all the furniture and items are cold and will slowly absorb heat energy, so as soon as you turn off the heater, the temperature will drop rapidly. The question is, how long does it take to heat up the room and all the items in it. I'm sure it's good for workshops, but not really practical for domestic homes.
@anthonybachler9526
@anthonybachler9526 Жыл бұрын
I know he is a real maintenance guy because he immediately makes a special tool.
@patrickhowden1601
@patrickhowden1601 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Here's a tip; If you made a longer exhaust pipe and had most of this pipe on the inside of your workshop before exiting, you'd get even more heat inside.
@nahimgudfam
@nahimgudfam 2 жыл бұрын
I used a black steel pipe for the exhaust and installed a fireplace fan on top to pull even more heat from the exhaust. I can heat my sun room in the winter in subzero temperatures at the lowest setting. a gallon of diesel lasts about 2 days.
@ct026
@ct026 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen people making stainless steel pipe coils for hot tub heating. One of those used inline with the exhaust would work to use that residual heat.
@MountainGuerrilla
@MountainGuerrilla 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevb8983 you;d want to make sure they were all sealed up tight, otherwise you'd be leaking CO2 and CO into the shop.
@neok1996
@neok1996 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if they don't make heat exchangers for the exhaust To heat the intake air with tye exhaust
@MountainGuerrilla
@MountainGuerrilla 2 жыл бұрын
@@neok1996 you could, but really it would foule up poretty quickly and need to be cleaned regularly.
@TheTwistedStone
@TheTwistedStone 2 жыл бұрын
Fitted one to my house ! There was an 8" extractor fan in the kitchen I could temporarily remove to fit two 4" pipes through to the inside of the house, the heater itself is mounted on the outside which is under cover from a canopy we have at the back. Have it on setting number 4 but sometimes as low as 2 with the fan speed increased. Powered using a 12v car battery topped up regularly with a small 3 stage charger. It will run on battery for around 7-10 hours but it does use a fair few amps when the glow plug is lit on startup, after that it doesn't pull much at all... Downstairs gets toasty in no time but takes about an hour or so before you can feel the heat upstairs. Came with 10ltr tank and having to use normal diesel but I do get about a week out of it for an average of 5-6 hours a night.... Usually pay £15-£18 to refill every week depending how much is left in the tank. I will do a video if anyone interested....
@monkmodemalik8225
@monkmodemalik8225 2 жыл бұрын
👍 fight back against big government, big oil and big tax man. Try running on heating oil + a little bit of veg or motor oil (10% mix roughly) should be way cheaper as you can get heating oil for about 90ppl. This is how I know some folks run old diesel motors mix the oil to lubricate the kero but maybe the machines don’t even need the lubricant? Idk how they work
@williamoliver6550
@williamoliver6550 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElliHarper An oil boiler basically works the same way, but bigger. Normally they have electrodes with an arc as ignition, but pump wise I doubt there is any difference, so you would think kerosene should be fine. Need a guinea pig 😅
@andywells397
@andywells397 2 жыл бұрын
Im in on the vid mate ..
@tnetroP
@tnetroP 2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in the video. Thanks.
@cornishcat11
@cornishcat11 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElliHarper wrong the pump is a spring /electromagnet type cannot remember the name . i use one for heating and if using kerosine i add about 50ml of 2stroke oil per tank and that stops pump seizing up. p
@blucheer8743
@blucheer8743 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in Alaska few years ago these little “Japanese stoves” we called them, were used everywhere and in everything cabins, boats, work shops, man caves… toyo stoves… even houses. great channel!
@jonanderson5137
@jonanderson5137 2 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, Toyo stoves are fantastic.
@jar407
@jar407 2 жыл бұрын
about the earky to mid 80s kerosene heaters from japan toyo was 1 brand were popular to heat or supplement heat but k1 kerosene was not too expensive. but today i have only seen buying by gallon or 5 gallon cans at rediculious prices. bear in mindim not in the cold part og the states dont know if stations sell by gallon to your own containers anymore my place stop selling before i moved in 95
@dingers35
@dingers35 2 жыл бұрын
@@jar407 Kerosene price today in Britain is £0.82 per litre. That works out to be £3.73 per Imperial gallon. You can do your own maths for the US since you use smaller gallons and dollars...! 😃
@Keepone974
@Keepone974 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I live in Japan and I thought it looked like this. Except they don't exhaust outside, so you need to open a window from time to time. In very cold areas where heat pumps struggle, they're used everywhere. In Tokyo a bit less as it's not that cold. But we still have trucks going around selling kerosene with a little music like an ice cream truck lol.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 2 жыл бұрын
@@jar407 y r yanx zo lazy? n un ed u cated, jesez it sux te reed yankshite all deey
@jchoover111
@jchoover111 Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Ай бұрын
@@jchoover111 thank you so much, I appreciate your support. All the very best. Cheers J
@starbase69
@starbase69 2 жыл бұрын
I have one in my workshop (converted garage) it's away from the house so solar powered, using recycle laptop batteries. After 20 minutes it's very toasty, I picked the bare bones one and got it for under £50. They are a great bit of kit. Great video, keep them comming.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt. Cheers J
@RatsnRods
@RatsnRods 2 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome how do you get those to work for a solar system ?
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 2 жыл бұрын
Is your workshop off grid? - I’m very interested in that, and your recycled laptop batteries (what voltage are you using to power the control unit of the diesel heater?)
@starbase69
@starbase69 2 жыл бұрын
Hi all. Just too answer some questions. Yep totally off grid, 2 * 230w panels on roof feeding into an epever 30A controller that charges 560 (18650) reclaimed laptop batteries in a 7 series 80 parallel config. So aprox 28V 160A this feeds lights, radio and chargers with d.c and a 240v inverter when required. The heater runs on a 24V to 12V 30A adapter with a max draw off 10A for say 10 minutes for glow plugs, that drops to about 2A when running.
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 2 жыл бұрын
@@starbase69 nice one Matt, sounds like a pretty good set up and I guess you are fortunate to have a source of used laptop batteries for you home made “power wall” Did you design and build the system yourself? If so I hope you are using that skill in your day job too! Thanks for sharing mate! 👍
@eric9432
@eric9432 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love my diesel heater. We spent a lot of time in the woods camping and it's opened up the winter season so we could be really comfortable without having to worry about propane or anything else
@Bululdaya
@Bululdaya 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have a similar unit that's been in service for 4 years now with no issue. It definitely takes a bit of experience to set them up properly but it's been a fantastic unit so far.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ryan. Cheers J
@ΝικοςΔεσποινιαδης-π4η
@ΝικοςΔεσποινιαδης-π4η 2 жыл бұрын
​@@joshuadelislewhere we bay it
@sonus289
@sonus289 2 жыл бұрын
where do you have yours installed?
@Bululdaya
@Bululdaya 2 жыл бұрын
@@sonus289 On my boat. I'm on the west coast of Canada so things get a wee bit chilly in the winter months.
@davegriffin4467
@davegriffin4467 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. All the very best. Cheers J
@michaelbarton4787
@michaelbarton4787 2 жыл бұрын
A cheap option for a mains 12V PSU is an old X-Box psu "brick". They output a solid 12V at a power of 135W (higher powers available for the older ones). You just need to remove the end connector & combine the individual wires into +ve and -ve groups and connect the 2 switch wires together so it's always on.
@LRTOTAL
@LRTOTAL 2 жыл бұрын
Or even an ATX PSU, you can get old used ones for like 5€, and they do hundreds of watts at 12V To turn it on outside of a computer you just have to short the green pin to any black (ground) pins.
@SPVCEMVNMUSIC
@SPVCEMVNMUSIC 2 жыл бұрын
@@LRTOTAL Exactly. ATX PSU is def the best option.
@Judah_Stroyer
@Judah_Stroyer 2 жыл бұрын
Instructions unclear. House is on fire. Very warm.
@J0Ck01
@J0Ck01 2 жыл бұрын
Any link to what would be needed to run this from a UK outlet ??
@ChristisKing7749
@ChristisKing7749 2 жыл бұрын
@@LRTOTAL what about a ham radio power supply, they convert ac to dc 13.8v, many like the Jetstream brand sold by R and L Electronics you can adjust the voltage.
@fats4799
@fats4799 2 жыл бұрын
Finally no nonsense channel very straight forward breath of fresh air No gimmicks cheers
@janner2121
@janner2121 2 жыл бұрын
A simple power supply for these is a standard car battery coupled to a battery charger/optimiser, keeps the battery charged while in use and tops it up when not in use , simple reliable and effective , Good video
@kimchristensen2175
@kimchristensen2175 2 жыл бұрын
Plus, like Big duphus said above, these things don't like a "hard shutdown" which would happen if the AC power suddenly went out and the thing couldn't do it's cooldown cycle first. So your battery and charger idea is much better than just a 12V power supply.
@tadeuszmizera3985
@tadeuszmizera3985 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are right. I use a car battery and charger. Even if you are powering the heater from the mains, it is good to have a permanently connected car battery as a "safety buffer" in case the electricity goes out.
@ipanzerschrecku4732
@ipanzerschrecku4732 2 жыл бұрын
If the exhaust pipe is 300 C, you could easily run it through a heat exchanger a recover some heat for hot water or pre heating water for a steam engine - or just have another air to air heater going so you're using the exhaust heat, put a small pc fan on it to get flow.
@damstachizz
@damstachizz 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, exactly what i was thinking. 12v 120 or 140mm computer fan mounted underneath blowing air onto the exhaust both adds even more heat into the room and will drop exhaust temps i'm betting a fair bit to make that safer as well
@tvalecic
@tvalecic 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts EXACTLY!
@williamrbuchanan4153
@williamrbuchanan4153 2 жыл бұрын
I used to put a cover down the front of the radiator, in real,cold winters, it worked a treat for less cooling of the hot water circulation. Got de-mist faster too. But must be removed in warmer times
@enderwiggin9303
@enderwiggin9303 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I just forwarded this vid and said basically the same when I sent it on to my siblings!
@enderwiggin9303
@enderwiggin9303 2 жыл бұрын
Except I had it a lil more as a 'closed' system with a cooler coil ran out into the cold and coming back to a coil on the exhaust before steaming again
@davida1hiwaaynet
@davida1hiwaaynet 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Heartbreaking about people freezing over Christmas in UK. I hope that y'all are able to keep warm this winter. I expect you should import and save these heaters while you can before they "become unavailable" in your country.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
The way things are going these heaters will probably become illegal and force many people to submit to the large companies who want to monopolize the energy market. I'm using free waste vegetable oil from my local fish and chip shop. Coming soon. Cheers J
@genefogarty5395
@genefogarty5395 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuadelisle I'm amazed that they give you the waste oil free of charge! I pay sixty cents a gallon for waste oil here in the U.S. and after filtering and treatment, I cut it with #2 heating oil to burn really clean. Anything to save on heat, it gets down to -20F where I am. Keep up the great work!
@tabascoraremaster1
@tabascoraremaster1 2 жыл бұрын
People freezing is heartbreaking any time anywhere.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
@@genefogarty5395 thank you. In the UK the garages have to pay someone to take it away. Small independent garages will give me as much as I want. Probably not the corporate ones as they have a system to obey. Cheers J
@stu2427
@stu2427 2 жыл бұрын
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@djjudas21
@djjudas21 2 жыл бұрын
I know the exhaust goes outside but I think it would be extremely wise to have a carbon monoxide alarm anywhere you’re using one of these, in case of exhaust leaks
@joylessdave
@joylessdave 2 жыл бұрын
@@zeusdagmire6185 a radon detector?? they arent actually a thing. to detect radon requires the placing of 2 alpha particle sensitive plastic discs in a building for 3 months which then has to be sent away to be analysed.
@joylessdave
@joylessdave 2 жыл бұрын
well that was an interesting dive into snakeoil devices. talk about junk. they are geiger counters masquerading as 'radon detectors' if its detecting alpha particles its detecting all ionising radiation. thats why tests kits arent a geiger counter. not to mention that they dont take other sources of radiation into account.
@MrAnthonyfrench
@MrAnthonyfrench 2 жыл бұрын
@@joylessdave what are you saying ? a carbon monoxide alarm wont work if it detects the exhaust from the heater ? that you need a radon detector ? naaaaa
@bobb.6393
@bobb.6393 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not if, it’s when
@utley
@utley 2 жыл бұрын
@@joylessdave who said anything about radon detectors?
@pathfindermanscouts8153
@pathfindermanscouts8153 Жыл бұрын
One of the most incredible videos I’ve ever seen. You knock this puppy out of the park. I purchased one of these and was looking to gain more information. You definitely hit most everything needed. Excellent job my friend.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. cheers J
@olegk455
@olegk455 2 жыл бұрын
As a mechanic and a tool buff myself, I love how you have all those specialized tools for all these small fabrication jobs. Yeah those heaters are great.
@mgntstr
@mgntstr 2 жыл бұрын
yeah.. they seem to work great and have loads of untapped heat being wasted through the short exhaust pipe there just going straight outside...
@djscrizzle
@djscrizzle 2 жыл бұрын
@@mgntstr i see a second heat exchanger for the water line or a heat recovery system to preheat the intake air. #damnthatsefficient
@alexl.7220
@alexl.7220 2 жыл бұрын
Few points to add. 1. Use a car battery and a 5A plus charger. 2.Check the exhaust connection for dangerous CO leakage and CO monitor is a must. 3. Keep a longer section of the exhaust pipe inside can help efficiency and put the metal plate in less thermal stress
@iamsmok
@iamsmok 2 жыл бұрын
A correction to 1: do not charge a car battery inside. It emits hydrogen while charging. Use VRLA battery: AGM or GEL.
@relik0fages
@relik0fages 2 жыл бұрын
Use an old computer power supply. Easier to manage and doesn't produce dangerous gases.
@coco-ry8jg
@coco-ry8jg 2 жыл бұрын
1. Use a 240v to 12v inverter power supply instead of a car battery.
@eksine
@eksine 2 жыл бұрын
@Roads To Nowhere it does have enough amps, use an used server power supply from HP or dell, it produces 12.3-12.6 volts, 63-90 amps, search DIY power supply, you have to put a resistor on the pinout for it to turn on and solder your own power leads, if series connecting you must learn to properly float the ground with plastic washers/ bolts/ , they cost $20 each on a popular site you can buy it from. learn something new
@texxs01
@texxs01 2 жыл бұрын
#3 is mission critical for indoor, permanent heating...
@FrugalOffGrid
@FrugalOffGrid 2 жыл бұрын
I run a simple heater like this all winter on my homestead in the middle of nowhere. They're golden. Easy to tune up when needed and they produce such good dry heat. Important when you live in a van. 🤠
@philgibe
@philgibe 2 жыл бұрын
What exact model have you been using please ? Any link ? Thank you
@Krb-d8n
@Krb-d8n Жыл бұрын
The air intake hose is there to go outside of the building so that the air that you burn is not the heated air from inside causing a draft of cold air to come into the building to replace it. That burner uses a lot of air so in a small shop like yours, the cold air coming in will be quite noticeable. The heater I had came with a wall vent that the exhaust went out of the building though a metal tube that was surrounded by another tube. The exhaust went out the center tube and the air for the burner came into the building through outer tube preheating the combustion air and keeping the wall from getting heated by the exhaust.
@WildPhotoShooter
@WildPhotoShooter 2 жыл бұрын
I thought you could lengthen the exhaust pipe before it goes outside , that way you will use a lot of the 200 degree exhaust that is heating the pipe to warm the workshop.
@jamiebanyard1792
@jamiebanyard1792 2 жыл бұрын
i was thinking of the idea of an old car intercooler, send the exhaust through that with a fan blowing through, extract even more heat...
@kaptein1247
@kaptein1247 2 жыл бұрын
My uncle made a spiral of exhaust pipe above his woodstove. It is indeed a waste to just let al that hot air flow out
@hillaryclinton2415
@hillaryclinton2415 2 жыл бұрын
I do just this... A small fan blows across the hot exhaust.. remember to do a dozen minutes of as hot as you can go...!!2orksmbrilliant.
@iljakudrjavtsev1292
@iljakudrjavtsev1292 2 жыл бұрын
one my friend has the same heater and he connected exhaust pipe to an house type water radiator. it gets pretty hot as well from the exhaust giving like a lot of extra heat and even a place to dry hat and gloves. But it cant be too long and big, as then heater will throw error about exhaust not being able to leave.
@pedalman130
@pedalman130 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamiebanyard1792 What an excellent idea using an intercooler .
@grabbagool
@grabbagool 2 жыл бұрын
if you want to spend even less on heat there are a couple things you can do. 1 you can scavenge more heat from the exhaust before dumping it outside the wall. and 2 you can plumb the intake so it takes air from outside, because as it is since it's intaking air from inside and then exhausting it outside it must necessarily be sucking cold outside air into the workshop through what little gaps there are in the walls.
@escapetherace1943
@escapetherace1943 Жыл бұрын
it's true but a workshop is so drafty typically the difference is....negligible unless your space is very air tight. Intake should be outside of course when possible.
@MetaView7
@MetaView7 Жыл бұрын
cold air burns more efficiently because it has more oxygen.
@MetaView7
@MetaView7 Жыл бұрын
the exhaust pipe is hot. Really hot. It can go lower down the wall before venting outside. Also, slanting the pipe at an angle will help the ambient air capture more of its heat.
@Danny01921
@Danny01921 Жыл бұрын
True. But make sure the exhaust fumes aren't sucked back up the air inlet
@hoser20000
@hoser20000 Жыл бұрын
A coaxial pipe would do the job! The exhaust pre heats the intake to avoid running freezing air in the combustion chamber. And only one hole going outside.
@robertstout7756
@robertstout7756 2 жыл бұрын
Some of these diesel heaters come with this green, flexible fuel line, which is fine from the tank to the pump, but the pump puts out such a small pressurized pulse that the green line expands and minimizes the quality of the analyzation in the commotion chamber. The smaller diameter, hard plastic tubing allows pressure to be maintained and cleaner combustion result.
@hillbillygreg2256
@hillbillygreg2256 2 жыл бұрын
Also the Mecanyl tubing is self sealing in case of a melt or burn through.
@liebuster9308
@liebuster9308 2 жыл бұрын
What smaller inner diameter and what hard plastic? any air pressure or car fuel pipe?
@cameronm162
@cameronm162 Жыл бұрын
Have mine for a year and a half,love it have it in the shed. No problems.Had to change glow plug. 10 mins.
@_Originator
@_Originator 2 жыл бұрын
For the internal part of the exhaust pipe you may craft a custom heatsink with a 12V-PC-fan to convert even the excess exhaust heat to additional energy. This may make the machine even more efficient. Or you may craft your own pipe and lay it through the room. Does create some custom work but it will make it even cheaper over long distance and more efficient and environmentally friendly. AtL. a bit.
@5226-p1e
@5226-p1e 2 жыл бұрын
hmn, i wonder if it could be used on a fuel source such as hydrogen and also in the process of it being used, it creates it's own hydrogen effectively creating an nearly endless supply of hydrogen to power the entire house. and provide free electricity for life. there is another guy who does this, but his method is only while using solar power to create his hydrogen, he collects 3 months out of the year into his tanks and the rest is used through out the year, he's been off the grid for nearly 30 years on his hydrogen system and hasn't needed to pay a electric bill because he reuses that created hydrogen to power his house.
@realulli
@realulli 2 жыл бұрын
If you build a setup that will cool the exhaust gas to below 100C, you'll get another boost in efficiency, since you're burning hydrocarbons. Part of the exhaust will be steam. If you make that condense out, you get all the energy from turning water into steam back. Watch out: the other exhaust main component is CO2, which forms a minor acid with water. You'll need stainless steel or ceramic piping for the exhaust, otherwise it will corrode really quickly.
@jessstuart7495
@jessstuart7495 2 жыл бұрын
You might consider running an inlet air duct from outside. Cold air being pulled into the room from outside through small air gaps due to the negative pressure created by the heater pumping its exhaust to outside can really hurt your heating efficiency. Just make sure your air inlet is far away from any exhaust pipes. Even better, would be to setup a heat exchanger where the intake air is pre-warmed by the heater's exhaust.
@thebrowns5337
@thebrowns5337 2 жыл бұрын
An external air intake for the combustion mixture may improve combustion too as the colder air is denser.
@e.p.4767
@e.p.4767 2 жыл бұрын
also it consumes oxygen in the room , so...
@tech29X
@tech29X 2 жыл бұрын
@@e.p.4767 also it consume oxygen in the room👍How do you say carbon monoxide poisoning, CO?
@Teth47
@Teth47 2 жыл бұрын
@@tech29X If air is being pulled out of the room, fresh air is coming in. Intake does not produce any gases. Human respiration does not produce CO. There is no safety issue with not having an external inlet. If the room is so well sealed that you'd actually run out of air, you breathing would cause the same problem and the issue is with the design of the room, not the heater.
@tech29X
@tech29X 2 жыл бұрын
@@Teth47 Good thing if air is being pulled in from outside; "Carbon monoxide (CO), a low molecular weight gas, is a ubiquitous environmental product of organic combustion, which is also produced endogenously in the body, as the byproduct of heme metabolism."
@slagletoby
@slagletoby 2 ай бұрын
I purchased this unit in 2024 and it works good. As for commissioning, I just connected the intake/exhaust, 12V, added fuel, and then powered on and went full blast for 48 hours. No problems, and it’s very efficient.
@Dan-yk6sy
@Dan-yk6sy 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts on the "filter", its meant to be outside so you don't create a draft and suck cold air into the room like you would if the intake is inside. The plastic mesh is just to stop spiders from going in the air intake and clogging it up with webs.
@steveholland1163
@steveholland1163 2 жыл бұрын
i also belive its a sound muffler of sorts
@SilvaDreams
@SilvaDreams 2 жыл бұрын
That is exactly what it is intended for, the air intake for the heater is suppose to be outside of the vehicle (or building) and the unit itself should be inside.
@TheBlueGeebee
@TheBlueGeebee 2 жыл бұрын
If flow restriction from ice/frost is a concern with outside air over a small surface area just grab an air intake from a junkyard car, keep a spare filter on hand for a quick fix if it ices over.
@moeman2790
@moeman2790 2 жыл бұрын
The intake can also be inside for faster heating by recirculating hot air that is already inside the room instead of sucking cold fresh air from the outside. Every modern car has the recirculating option.
@rogermccaslin5963
@rogermccaslin5963 2 жыл бұрын
@@moeman2790 I believe the air intake everyone is commenting on is only for the combustion portion of the heater. The shop air circulates around the outside of the heat exchanger. The fan (shown in the video) blows the shop air over the heat exchanger and out the duct connection. The combustion section is a closed system and doesn't mix with the shop air if the intake is routed outside.
@chetsjug
@chetsjug 2 жыл бұрын
Truckers been using these for years for their cab heater when they sleep and it also had a block heater circulating your coolant to your engine. You could always run a couple radiators with fans across the house and put the radiator hoses through the wall so you could heat your living room Den and also your bedrooms separate with their doors closed. You have to check the different kinds available. Google up some truck shows and start visiting them see what is on the market these days. Every major city has one Salt Lake Anaheim Dallas. BTW the reason red diesel is red is they just put a dye in it to turn your fuel filters red and they can see it in the tank at a Port of Entry. If they see red dye then you get a big fine for tax evasion. Because that's Road tax. The red diesel does not get Road tax.
@Harrington2323
@Harrington2323 2 жыл бұрын
In Germany it's two different things. The red stuff is named Heizöl what translates heating oil and you are allowed to use it in tractors on a Farm. The stuff in trucks is named Diesel like in USA it seems. Technically it's the same stuff only in red. Heizöl is 1,23€ per Liter(for 100l ) Diesel 1,74€ per Liter (19.12.22) 1gallon=3,75l
@jamesb2291
@jamesb2291 2 жыл бұрын
@@Harrington2323 it's the same in the US also. We call regular road fuel #1 diesel and off road/farm use is called #2 diesel which is dyed red. The only difference is the red dye and that you're paying a "road tax" on the #1.
@madmattthehatter
@madmattthehatter 2 жыл бұрын
Diesel#2 is regular diesel, Diesel#1 is cold weather diesel. Red Diesel is called dyed diesel or off-road diesel at the pump.
@Moondog-wc4vm
@Moondog-wc4vm 2 жыл бұрын
6m x 3m x 2.5 tall. You are the only YT smith who works in a space smaller than the one I have for my hobby level tinkering. Serious respect for the ability, never mind the economic saving on heating.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. its a bit tight with the projects I have going on but it certainly has saved me money working in small spaces. cheers J
@cptcosmo
@cptcosmo Жыл бұрын
Two things I would change to your exhaust port - open it back up and stuff the cavity full with non-combustible mineral batt insulation (Rockwool), then remount. Then install a drip cap over the top of the exhaust outlet to get the drip line away from the siding and opening and seal the gap with a thermal rated sealant. Very nice and clean install!
@kylemccourt663
@kylemccourt663 Жыл бұрын
Dude, just stumbled upon you and you are awesome! I've been looking at these heaters for a couple of years now for my remote cabin and now I think I will pull the trigger. Way more efficient than the propane burners I run at the moment when my wood stove dies out at night. You have another subscriber here!
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, do check out the latest video. cheers J
@kuizatz
@kuizatz Жыл бұрын
Being a newly retired radio ham/code cutter/AWS wrangler/micro-ctrl--sbc fan/build anything nut, I have been looking at how to heat my shack/shed/w-shop without (expensive) electric heaters. So after viewing this excelent video I ordered a 8KW VEVOR Air Heater from the local AUS supplier (yes stoked i was able to buy one from an AUS supplier) I am super pleased with this beast. Awesome solution, works very well and cost 3 fifths of stuff all to run... Thanks Josh loved your work....
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much and well done 👍. Do check out the follow up video as run more tests and try a few modifications. Cheers J
@oursailingstory8410
@oursailingstory8410 2 жыл бұрын
I was very fortunate to get a portable diesel heater for £59 last year so I bought 4 of them , I use one in my garage, one in my shed workshop and the other 2 I have for spares just in case. I love them , both the workshop and garage have solar so I use AGM batterys to power them both.
@Wake-upCall-zc8id
@Wake-upCall-zc8id 2 жыл бұрын
If you want to add more energy in and less out (by the exhaust), one guy installed an aluminum tubing from a used electric baseboard . Dissipation of that heat was done inside before exhausting out. The longer the tube the lower the heat loss outside. David McLuckie made the calculation from exhaust (around 800 watts), so it is better to keep that heat in, but make sure connections are tight (aka CO risk...)
@Minecraft-gw1jv
@Minecraft-gw1jv 2 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking this. So much heat was being lost and if you can somehow harness the Heat from the exhaust, it would be great… Maybe hot water heater with a coil??
@cipmike1964
@cipmike1964 8 ай бұрын
Great job. I just purchased the Ecoflo ultra. Financed of course. Just wrapping up my first test on my fridge. 6 kwh ran it for 54 hours. Next test 2 refrigerators & upright freeze. I had the time wrong so I updated it to 54 hours.
@MrRevester
@MrRevester 2 жыл бұрын
I put my exhaust through a heat exchanger from an old boiler and heated hot water. Also, I directly fed the exhaust through a radiator. My thoughts were if you could use the waste heat from the exhaust, then it might make nearer 8kw. All I can say is it heated the workshop a lot more. Always think about condensation in the exhaust train!
@frogbutts3628
@frogbutts3628 2 жыл бұрын
Ha I commented asking if something like this would make sense to try. I absolutely would do what you described. Keep as much of that heat in your space as you can.
@klausmaier1350
@klausmaier1350 2 жыл бұрын
If you do it like that it ist very very important to have a CO-warning device in case of unnoticed leak. '
@allencrider
@allencrider 2 жыл бұрын
I'm preparing my heater for use in a large tent, and found in the instructions that the exhaust pipe can be a whole meter long! I'm getting one and will run most of it inside of the tent for heating, then stick as short as possible through to the outside.
@gwaponobby
@gwaponobby 2 жыл бұрын
@@allencrider Can't you make the exhaust pipe longer so you have more hot pipe inside your tent?
@allencrider
@allencrider 2 жыл бұрын
@@gwaponobby I'm going by the specs in the manual. I could always experiment with a longer pipt to see if the heater still worked correctly, but 1 meter long is what the manual says.
@DanBowkley
@DanBowkley 2 жыл бұрын
This type of heater, minus the big orange enclosure, is pretty much standard equipment on long haul trucks in the US. They're an absolute godsend; it's about 8°C outside right now and I'm toasty in my jeans and tee shirt, without having to idle the main engine. The little heater burns less than a gallon during a 10 hour break while idling the prime mover is often more than a gallon an hour!
@xxwookey
@xxwookey 2 жыл бұрын
And campervans for several decades. Odd seeing someone who's never come across such a thing.
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 2 жыл бұрын
How many cups is that? Is your truck a horse power?
@xxwookey
@xxwookey 2 жыл бұрын
@@kennethkeen1234 That'll be a US 3.something litre gallon, as opposed to a proper British 4.54 litre gallon :-)
@DanBowkley
@DanBowkley 2 жыл бұрын
@@kennethkeen1234 the truck is 450 hp from a 12.7 liter engine. A US gallon is 16 US cups which might as well be cubic femtoparsecs for as well as they translate to normal units.
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
They originally were truck and boat heaters. Webasto and Eberspacher usually on UK trucks.
@CamioneroblW
@CamioneroblW 2 жыл бұрын
I have that one and what I did with the fuel tank I reloaded to the external part of the workshop . Its been working perfect for the past 2 winter and is working perfect now
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Nice 👍 cheers J
@MrjackieG
@MrjackieG Жыл бұрын
The intake air filter is to keep bugs from entering and plugging a small hole within the burn chamber. It will not run if bugs get in there. Also a good idea to change the fuel line to the small, white hard line like Espar uses.
@paulwyand6204
@paulwyand6204 2 жыл бұрын
I think the intake tube filter/muffler is supposed to balance the intake exhaust to help with an efficient burn. I know in boat installs they say to match the length of intake to the exhaust.
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
I'm exactly that a boat builder and I fitted these for years too. You are correct but the full story is that in boat applications the runs are sometimes huge so you need rigid type fuel lines so there's no expansion in them and you need to know how to programme the hidden settings for fan voltage and AFR so you can then dial the unit in so the burner temp is perfect 167deg with 20deg ambient intake and 14:1 AFR and if its not 20deg at the time you need to do your maths and suit it to your ambient temp to get it running perfect. Typically on boats the fueling needs messed about with the most and it's always adding to the pump frequency so they burn more fuel in general. In a garage or whatever if I had a larger one (the cheap copy 8kw are really a 5kw) you can get away with leaning them out a bit to save fuel as long as you know its likely to go through plugs a wee bit quicker.
@drkastenbrot
@drkastenbrot 2 жыл бұрын
its for noise reduction
@dirtydogsanddiesel
@dirtydogsanddiesel 2 жыл бұрын
I have one similar in my van that i live in when working away from home. Its plumbed straight into my fuel tank, which obviously makes it a bit more expensive to run but when its sub zero outside and its toasty in the van its worth it. As a side note, look up the water heaters you can add to these, absolutely brilliant
@User-rtghe4894u
@User-rtghe4894u Жыл бұрын
can you tell me more about the water heater? I cant find it online
@DellAnderson
@DellAnderson 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Vevor heater demo video. Heartily recommend buying separate heater for safety reasons, not the All-in-one, because you can mount the heater sideways (glow plug up) and exhaust directly thru the wall. This eliminates the theoretical risk of CO (Carbon Monoxide) leak from the flex exhaust line, which in these type of kits is not necessarily the best, nor is the clamp fit perfect. Of course, CO can still leak around the orange glow plug silicone cover, but one less thing to worry about. Would love to see you engineer/demo one of the rare versions of this heater that heats both air AND water. Great for RV (or even house) water heater preheat. There are only a couple of them out there, Webasto clones or modified air heater exchangers.
@ricemckrispy
@ricemckrispy 2 жыл бұрын
For something I wasn’t interested in at all, this video certainly made me feel like I need one! Good, honest review
@HomesteadingAlaskatoMaine
@HomesteadingAlaskatoMaine 2 жыл бұрын
I used one in my shop north of Fairbanks, Alaska. Worked like a champ. Kept the shop warm even at -40f.
@trueriver1950
@trueriver1950 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: at -40 you don't have to say F because it's also -40C. It's the only temperature that's the same on both systems :)
@denniscook390
@denniscook390 8 ай бұрын
Sorry but that was tongue in cheek, I've actually met 3 people who've been at temps. that low, one in BC and 2 in Antarctica.
@charlesparr1611
@charlesparr1611 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video, and you obviously have the right attitude about helping people improve their situation in these increasingly hard times. I think you did a great job here, and I just wanted to add something that might help someone understand something that could be life saving. because of the trade I worked in (and still do in a less formal capacity due to age and health) I have spent a fair bit of time around many many different versions of this basic design of heater. Edit: as another commenter says further down, CO is actually neutrally buoyant in air, it's CO2 that sinks. Still, all the rest applies, and of course CO2 is toxic and also a product of combustion. All I can say is my exams were many years ago, and it seems I need to double check my terrible memory more often. To the commenter that brought this to my attention, thanks again, mits important that info like this be accurate, and I appreciate the reminder. As a journeyman pipe fitter, gasfitter and plumber, which is the set of trades in Canada which deal with gas fired appliances, I want to offer an EXTREMELY serious warning. Do NOT operate units like this without a carbon monoxide detector, plus a backup carbon monoxide detector installed in the room. I would suggest one near the unit, and above it, which will detect any exhaust gasses escaping the heat exchanger warm enough to rise (carbon monoxide normally sinks, but hot gases rise), place the other one at least a foot below the level at which the mouth and nose of any person in the room would be located. So if its a sleeping room, have the second detector near the floor. A workshop with a pit of any kind should have a third detector down in the pit. If in a room heated by a gas fired appliance you start to feel your eyes burn or develop a headache, shut the heater off and leave the room IMMEDIATLY. Look up the symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning and understand them, and explain them to those others who use thew room as well. Cheap heat exchangers tend to corrode, and bad welds sometimes crack, either of these will result in the products of combustion entering your breathing air, which is extremely dangerous. Heaters like this are cheap partly because they are less well constructed, so make sure there are no holes or cracks in the heat exchanger when it arrives, and inspect it carefully OFTEN to make sure heat cycling has not created any cracks. Properly used by someone who takes adequate provisions for carbon monoxide detection, understands how to maintain good combustion in the burner, and who inspects for wear and damage is fairly safe, but there is a greater risk using a product like this than from alternatives. I personally would use a heater like this because I am well versed in how they might fail, and how to be safe, but if you are not properly informed, BECOME INFORMED before you install something like this. .ot's of people use them all over the world, a similar system heats my camper, and truckers often use them in their sleeper cabs. it can reach -50 here for weeks, and they work great. Oh and lastly: If you have pets, understand that since they breath so close to the ground, they will die of poisoning before normal detectors that install above the floor may even ring the alarm, so ensure ground level detection of carbon monoxide gas exists if you have a shop cat. The only carbon monoxide fatality I knew personally was a friends very beloved dog, who slept curled up near a heater like this one. It was very sad, my friend had never thought about the possibility that the first person to start breathing CO would be his dog, and had his detectors mounted in places that made sense for people in a workshop, but not a wheezy old bulldog that slept on a cushion in the warmest part of the shop. It might not be just you that you need to protect. Again, GREAT video, great channel in fact, keep up the great work, you have a subscriber in me.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I'll be sure to include this information in the follow up video. Cheers J
@kennethkeen1234
@kennethkeen1234 2 жыл бұрын
Good point Charles. Nice to read lengthy comments written by people WHO CARE!!
@charlesparr1611
@charlesparr1611 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuadelisle Thanks for letting me know you sw it, have you thought of doing a video on inspecting and testing various sorts of machinery, or one on potential failure modes and risks? Maybe you already have, I haven't had toime to really run through your content. Anyway, hope things are going well for you over there in the isles.
@waqasahmed939
@waqasahmed939 2 жыл бұрын
I've got a loan to get solar panels on, but that doesn't help regarding heating I've got someone to do an air tightness test for me, to see exactly where I'm leaking air, in order to help remedy where I'm leaking air. The idea is to make it as air tight as possible, and then save up for an MVHR I essentially want to use PassivHaus principles but not necessarily going full PassivHaus because at some point, you get diminishing returns The biggest take aways from the institute for me are : Air tightness Add MVHR Maybe upgrade Windows and doors Upside radiators for a heat pump
@biffa1234100
@biffa1234100 2 жыл бұрын
could i just get a sacrificial canary and leave it near the unit ?
@pcno2832
@pcno2832 Жыл бұрын
15:35 If the exhaust is running (or at least peaking) at 240 C, that's a fair amount of heat going out the window. Maybe a secondary heat exchanger, which could be as simple as a cast iron radiator or just a long metal pipe, would reclaim that heat and increase the heat output while cutting fuel costs.
@javeedsultan8484
@javeedsultan8484 11 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly,
@danelias5366
@danelias5366 11 ай бұрын
I think you'd have to be careful if extending the exhaust to consider back pressure increase.
@DFPercush
@DFPercush 2 жыл бұрын
Will definitely subscribe for that steam turbine. That sounds really interesting. I always wondered how they keep the steam pressure from blowing back through the water intake and keep everything moving in the right direction. Look forward to it. :)
@gravdigr27
@gravdigr27 2 жыл бұрын
Those are the type of heaters included in commercial truck APU kits for heating a sleeper cab in winter without running the truck. Just mount the burner unit under the bunk and run a fuel line out to oone of the saddle tanks. They work very well. I had one warm my sleeper compartment in -45f wind chill temps (-25 air temp)
@2009dudeman
@2009dudeman 2 жыл бұрын
Thats no joke, those Webasto's will cook you out of the truck even when it's -40F actual air temp.
@raychallenger9623
@raychallenger9623 Жыл бұрын
They are awesome in a Semi , as long as your batteries hold out. In the early days before genpac's battery life was an issue. Technology has made big jumps since.
@joshuadunham6744
@joshuadunham6744 2 жыл бұрын
Wabasso and S bar have been making those for years. If you look at their installation instructions they tell you that the air intake hose and the exhaust hose have to be a certain length for proper combustion. The air in the shelter also helps out with the noise.
@dangeary2134
@dangeary2134 2 жыл бұрын
They also make them in a tiny little 12v version that fits inside of a truck or lorry sleeping area. There are no thermostat settings, so you can get roasted!
@020matrix
@020matrix 2 жыл бұрын
Webasto !
@bigduphusaj162
@bigduphusaj162 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I used to fit them on Lorries and Boats, im a boat builder now. You can use extended exhausts, burner intakes and exchange intakes and outs but if you introduce too many bends in them you need to go into the fueling and fan settings and modify them so it's burning closer to 14:1 again. It's not difficult to do but if you are fitting the genuine ones on a boat then everything has long runs on it. On boats and just as a mod to get them running really good you need to replace the fuel tubing with the rigid type and run them into proper rubber hoses with clamps just as they leave each connector. They make cheapo copy kits of the boat fuelling hoses and I've been told they work fine. Watch what fuel filter you buy as they are known to disintegrate cheap filters and never lengthen the controller panel wiring without figuring our the wire resistances first as that can cause all sorts of issues. See if you are using nasty biofuels or garbage diesel run them flat out for a few mins before you turn them off as it saves your heater plug and keeps them clean. Using a mains power supply for them will always be a timebomb because if you get any sort of power cut or spike it will instantly turn off without the shutdown cooling sequence and it will burn out the inner PCB and the internal wiring on these cheap ones. The genuine ones can take about 5 or 6 hard shutdowns. Cheers.
@apacheone3643
@apacheone3643 Жыл бұрын
These type heaters were used on Trojan Earth moving equipment 30 years ago . These units are more like a 3 kw unit as they were used to heat the cabs ( which are the size of the drivers seat of your car ) in the winter .
@MAVIST0
@MAVIST0 2 жыл бұрын
before the exhaust fumes go outside, direct them through an old radiator in this way, the heat from the exhaust gas is also used for heating
@MAVIST0
@MAVIST0 2 жыл бұрын
this is a buddy he made it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6aupJ6cr6eghc0
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I've actully started experimenting using the exhuast to heat water and only costed me £12 of parts so far. cheers J
@ewan53
@ewan53 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one 👍
@kwakman99
@kwakman99 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuadelisle just keep in mind there is a max 2 meter exhaust travel allowance with a max of 270 deg bends along that 2 meters of exhaust pipe. If you go longer or have more bends (like 4x 90s) the unit will start to suffer in performance. As well, these burners need to be run hot every so often to help keep carbon and coke buildup to a min, more so if burning waste oil. Most of the criticism that waste oil doesn't work is from people who don't do this. The fun part is you can try different blends of oil/diesel/gas even brake fluid with these heaters and get good results.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
@@kwakman99 thank you ill keep that in mind. Cheers J
@naturesmoments1297
@naturesmoments1297 2 жыл бұрын
Ordered one a week or so back for similar reasons, also have a very inefficient oil burner which I hope to use for fuel supply. John McK 47 is the Oracle on these things, incredible detail and very helpful 👌
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Well done. thank you. if we fill our house tank up i'll definately connect the fuel line to my workshop heater as buying in bulk is more cost effective. cheers J
@ericstrunck3611
@ericstrunck3611 2 жыл бұрын
Any links on this product? I want one
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericstrunck3611 Everything is in the description my friend. cheers J
@twa2471
@twa2471 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using the exact heater for over 4 years now and it has worked flawlessly. I do however use Clear diesel as I found that the diesel fuel with dye in it tends to Coke up the glow plug which will either require cleaning or replacement, which is no big deal. By the way yes it does require a special socket to remove the glow plug which is also readily available at very little cost. I have three of these particular heaters one of which I use in the house which is mounted on a small inexpensive Harbor Freight welding cart. The welding cart holds the battery, the heater and a solar charge controller connected to a small solar panel which makes this a totally self-contained unit. One of the other units I have I use for a small hunting cabin, and the third I use to heat my garage. I highly recommend these to everyone I speak with and they are quite popular as well with my friends that have ice fishing shanties. I don't use mine 24 hours a day or when sleeping but I do use it all day long and with a full tank of fuel it will easily Heat my 700 square foot cabin using only about one tank every 2 days when set on some of the lower settings, " on two or three ". they're absolutely amazing and I highly recommend them to anyone! Just be sure to properly install the exhaust, that's the most critical item, plus I found the hose clamps they come with to be of very poor quality and I highly recommend that you replace the exhaust pipe one for a high quality all stainless heavy duty Marine type hose clamp and you'll have no issues with exhaust smell or exhaust leakage.
@paulmaxwell8851
@paulmaxwell8851 2 жыл бұрын
Red diesel is road diesel with a dye added. They are absolutely identical products in every way.
@captsirl
@captsirl Жыл бұрын
First time viewer. Uruguay the only place on the planet with higher fuel prices than the UK. Oh, yeah, and thanks for not adding any annoying music to the video.
@Space_Reptile
@Space_Reptile 2 жыл бұрын
what i am most interested in w/ those heaters is if you can scavange the exhaust heat, i thought about running the exhaust trough a longer section of pipe that coils inside a drum filled w/ water, or having the exhaust feed into a large heat exchanger like a normal radiator you would normally have in a house when you have hot water heating would love to see those ideas tested as i sadly lack the tools or space to do such experiments
@howler6490
@howler6490 2 жыл бұрын
I would probably use it as a PRE- heater...it makes a huge difference to cost effectivness.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I have in mind. Video coming up soon. Cheers J
@PlateletRichGel
@PlateletRichGel 2 жыл бұрын
Until you make too much back pressure for the exhaust and you get tired from some strnage reason and oops you killed yourself
@Space_Reptile
@Space_Reptile 2 жыл бұрын
@@PlateletRichGel thats why you experiment, to see if its possible and does not impede the exhaust too much, my first suggestion w/ the barrel of water and pipe shud not impede exhaust much at all as its only a slightly longer exhaust in the end, the radiator tho is something that needs to be looked at as the baffled nature of it would put up resistance
@smileyguyz
@smileyguyz 2 жыл бұрын
There's a guy on here that tried it, I think his name is David Mcluckie. He does all sorts of things with these chinese diesel heaters.
@daveparker4415
@daveparker4415 2 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't discard the inlet pipe and filter. You should use the inlet pipe to supply fresh outside air to the combustion chamber. That way you won't be drawing in cold air into your shop to replace the air being drawn directly into the heater and exhausted to the outside. The filter on the inlet keeps out bugs, hair, and other debris from clogging up the heater.
@e-curb
@e-curb 2 жыл бұрын
Stops a mouse from moving into the pipe.
@redbud815
@redbud815 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this 100%
@spacemanwithraygun3933
@spacemanwithraygun3933 2 жыл бұрын
Direct vent > indirect vent.
@SteveDowty
@SteveDowty 2 жыл бұрын
It's not a filter on the combustion intake pipe, it's a silencer.
@e-curb
@e-curb 2 жыл бұрын
@@SteveDowty The combustion makes virtually no noise. It's not a silencer. The fan makes more noise.
@petew8388
@petew8388 2 жыл бұрын
Just discovered you this eve Joshua, absolutely loved this video. I am a self employed welder fabricator/ engineer and was thinking of getting the usual expensive brand of these heaters and doing the same in my workshop. This unit seems a good punt for the price. looking forward to seeing your other stuff.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm starting to doubt using Chinese products from a sustainability and economic point but who can pay for locally made thanless you build it yourself.. cheers J
@arthurfoyt6727
@arthurfoyt6727 Жыл бұрын
I saw this video when it came out and bought the same one here immediately in the USA for $109 (that includes tax and delivery). I've used it only twice but it's OUTSTANDING! Something this cheap has no right to be so effective! Anyway, looking forward to mounting it in a light camp trailer and heading out this winter. Great video!
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Well done. I've got more to share soon. Cheers J
@arthurfoyt6727
@arthurfoyt6727 Жыл бұрын
@@joshuadelisle THANK YOU! This inspired me to experiment. For just ~$100 USD it's been amazing! Cheap, light, and effective. Can't wait to put on my camper build. Thanks again!
@PaineK
@PaineK 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review, I am glad you did this and the calculations but one thing I think could be included in the calc is the amount of electricity that it used during that hour and the cost. Thanks for the great work and I appreciate you.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you I'll definately do that for the follow up video. cheers J
@codprawn
@codprawn 2 жыл бұрын
They use hardly any electricity. 20 amps 12v on startup but then about 20w when running.
@jgrenwod
@jgrenwod 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the wattage used is converted to heat. I’m paying 13 cents per kWh. Think 50 hours operation for a ~ dime
@andrewfleming3045
@andrewfleming3045 2 жыл бұрын
40watts indicating 0.04kW/h used by the heater x 30p per kW/h charge by the lèche board = 1p for each hour it’s run!!!!
@Debbiebabe69
@Debbiebabe69 2 жыл бұрын
leccy use on these things is negligible, Diesel is the big cost.
@drackar
@drackar 2 жыл бұрын
As an American who's primary winter heat is wood... who lives in a very fire prone area where it gets freezing cold often a month or more before I can safely burn fires, I've been debating one of these. Our power bills aren't as insane as yours, but they've about doubled over the last year.
@Cotronixco
@Cotronixco 2 жыл бұрын
whose
@drackar
@drackar 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cotronixco The irony of someone who can't be arsed to write a complete sentence or use punctuation having the stones to correct other people's grammar amuses me to no end.
@Cotronixco
@Cotronixco 2 жыл бұрын
@@drackar No wonder it's so difficult for you. I mention the word using a very friendly attitude, and you respond by fighting with all your being to make sure you retain your stupidity. You've probably done this for years. Take advantage of the new knowledge instead of foolishly fighting it.
@drackar
@drackar 2 жыл бұрын
@@Cotronixco My friend, if you believe using a single word grammar correction is friendly, there is something disturbing about you.
@Cotronixco
@Cotronixco 2 жыл бұрын
@@drackar Oh? As a hurting person, do you really think that adding more information to correct the misspelled word would have been effective and necessary?
@clivehaynes2183
@clivehaynes2183 2 жыл бұрын
I've had one of these for a couple of years now and run it on heating oil at about 80p ltr. Mine has four small vents on the front with ample vent pipe to cut and I have pointed the air flow in different directions with one pipe bent round and pointed on the hot exhaust underneath. I have also mounted my unit slightly higher and extended the exhaust giving me more hot pipe inside with the air blowing over it. The only negative is it's noisy on full chat. Good video.
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 2 жыл бұрын
..for noise mount outside in an enclosure and pipe the hot air through the wall, much less noise and no danger from exhaust leakage. Power goes through the wall as well as the controller inside the workshop. Needs to be turned on a few times every month even in summer. The fuel pump is the weak point so buy spares, you’ll need them
@sdx398
@sdx398 Жыл бұрын
I have had one of these since 2017. 6 years later still going strong no complaints whatsoever
@theobserver9131
@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын
This looks really interesting! Thanks for demonstrating it! One thing I would have a hard time with would be the noise that it makes. I would not want this machine in my living space. I might set it up in an adjacent room that I don't spend time in, like a utility room or something, and blow the heat into my living space from there. You've got a really intelligent crowd here! One of the smartest comment sections I've seen.
@theobserver9131
@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын
And yeah, the workmanship is pretty shoddy, but that doesn't bother me much. As long as the components are decent, I can fix up anything that needs it. Translates to a great price!
@theobserver9131
@theobserver9131 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you could wire in an external thermostat to replace the internal one. It could give you more accurate control of the ambient temperature.
@directorstu
@directorstu 2 жыл бұрын
@@theobserver9131 I believe the sensor is in the control unit which can easily be extended
@SuperFunkmachine
@SuperFunkmachine Жыл бұрын
A box packed with exhaust stuffing would kill the noise and be safe.
@AlfOfAllTrades
@AlfOfAllTrades 2 жыл бұрын
Got one of these. The tank above the burner is bloody dangerous in my opinion. I had a diesel leak from the hose going from the tank, there was diesel everywhere and a fog of white diesel smoke coming through the air ducts because the leaked diesel had been pulled in to the air inlet. There was also a lot of diesel around the exhaust, dripping on to it and smoking something fierce. I've since put the tank and the pump outside the casing, as well as added a filter. It's now much safer, and I can fill up the tank while the heater is running without worrying about spilling. It manages around 5KW I'd say, and it burns clean and is relatively quiet. With the modifications, I am now quite happy with it.
@georgedennison3338
@georgedennison3338 2 жыл бұрын
An old timer's tip for the jagged fuel line hole you deburred: Cut a scrap or used length of fuel line to fit the perimeter of the hole. Lay it between two pieces of wood or metal & use a knife to split one side the full length of the fuel line. Slip the split fuel line over the rough edge of the hole. If the line is cut to length accurately, it will stay in place without adhesive. If needed use some contact adhesive to affix the re-purposed fuel line. Been using this technique for 50+ years without one failure. Works well in vibrating invironments, too. (Machinery, automotive, marine, etc) Hope this helps someone.
@cfc1907
@cfc1907 Жыл бұрын
From another old-timer - I've been using that tequnique for about 50 years also. But I can't remember where I got the idea. I think it may have been when I saw pipe insulation with a pre-cut slit so you could slip it over pipe, rather than wrapping miles of bandage round the pipes.
@georgedennison3338
@georgedennison3338 Жыл бұрын
@@cfc1907 We were using this way before split pipe insulation. I can remember when the only readily available pipe insul was strips of fiberglass insulation; made by the only company that made stuff like that... Weather King... Freeze King... can kinda remember the logo... had lots of orange on their plastic bags. They made those chinsy window insulation kits of whisper thin plastic sheeting & thin pĺastic strips w/ psa. I think I learned the split hose trick from my uncle/Godfather. He had me working in his auto repair at 12. He'd grown up in NJ. A 1st gen Italian-American, he started sweeping floors in a Ford dealership in Jersey City at 13. By age 15, he was a line mechanic for the brand new Model A's. I was nuts about cars. Been building models of real cars from Hot Rod & Car Craft mags. I'd do basic engine wiring, custom radiator hoses, made tube headers from telephone signal wire & the ink tubed from Bic pens & 'sheet metaled the interiors of the race cars w/ card stock painted silver. He figured it was time I worked on the real thing... LOL
@mattydare
@mattydare Жыл бұрын
In the UK we use the outside grey insulation from domestic wiring. Cut down the side and remove the inner wires and it leaves a U profile soft plastic that grips like a grommet
@georgedennison3338
@georgedennison3338 Жыл бұрын
@@mattydare You must have better wire than we do in the states. Everything here, except very expensive high temp wire w/ silicone insulation, (a dream to work with), uses PVC. It's hard to cut, doesn't hold it's shape, nor have enough elasticity to use the way we're talking about. I hate the stuff; power cords on appliances & tools fight you while trying to coil them, & you haven't lived until you're making a solder connection & one of the stiff azz wires slips flinging hot solder & flux in your face. I'm thinking I may have to wear a full face shield like I use when riding my 9" side grinder. LOL GeoD
@mattydare
@mattydare Жыл бұрын
@@georgedennison3338 Sorry mate, I'm not an electrician but AFAIK its PVC heat moulded onto copper wire. They use chalk dust to prevent the different layers of insulation sticking to each other so there is always 2 layers of insulation between you and the angry pixies at 240v.
@PaulAllen-i4k
@PaulAllen-i4k 3 ай бұрын
As one engineer to another this is a very interesting video. I have always used gas or diesel space heaters which are now expensive to run so I am now going to try one of these. I have purchased several Vevor items over the years and have found them better quality compared to some other Chinese tools my last purchase being a gas powered furnace oven 6kg which came today.
@joesmith1926
@joesmith1926 2 жыл бұрын
These are fitted to lorries busses and used to be exclusively ‘Wabasto’ brand (sp) which were about a grand to buy! Once they get the space to temperature, the fan slows down to almost silent, just topping up the heat, so efficiency will rocket at that point.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thats interesting to know. I'll look into that further and include the saving in the next video. cheers J
@joesmith1926
@joesmith1926 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Defender 90 for work and was thinking about one of these kits for dual purpose - to dry wet gear in the back overnight and to have her toasty in the cold mornings. Some have timer starts. Not keen on drilling the body though as she’s a good’un. I’ve also read breaking into the fuel lines can cause issues with starting/running both, and getting to the fuel sender for a feed is a pain on defenders. I’ll get to it someday! Glad I’ve found your channel 👍🇬🇧
@nic5779
@nic5779 2 жыл бұрын
they became cheap a few years ago when webasto's patient ran out, then suddenly became very common in the boating and van life communities
@gustav901
@gustav901 2 жыл бұрын
Well presented. One thing to note regarding your calculation for "how much more efficient it is than electric" compares direct heating (which I know is popular in Brittan). The latest generation heat pumps have SCOP above 6, meaning every kW in equals 6kW heat out. The upfront investment is of course on different levels, but with pre 2022 prices the heat pump will have lower running costs. Add factors such as interest on loans and it gets kind of messy but it's kind of amazing how efficient latest generation heat pumps have gotten. (For anyone looking up "what heat pump has SCOP>6" there's the Thermia Atlas that I know of)
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 2 жыл бұрын
What is worth noting is that heat pump "steals" heat from one spot to other using some form of agent. Usually it's RA134a and RA134a has a boiling point of -26 degrees. This is important because it means that heat pump cannot "generate" more heat if it's input side is lower than -26 degrees. It's very probable for air operated heat pumps for that to happen, it happens much less often with ground heat pumps. Also the closer to -26 degrees you get, the less efficient heat pump is. Heat pump with SCOP above 6 will not have SCOP above 6 if input is below -20 degrees. Some heat pumps have resistive heater built in as fallback to -26 degrees limitation
@stompyrobutts
@stompyrobutts 2 жыл бұрын
@@darekmistrz4364 in which case, one of these diesel powered bad boys would be a good fallback for when it's colder than -26, or when the power is out as It can be 12v powered! Or be an absolute mad man and rig it up as a pre heater for the heat pump lol
@njipods
@njipods 2 жыл бұрын
@@darekmistrz4364 your mostly right apart from the gas. 134 is the old automotive gas (phased out now) You wouldn't find that in a house heat pump. Mostly there R32 thease days
@barryhaeger4284
@barryhaeger4284 2 жыл бұрын
@@darekmistrz4364 -26 I can assure you isn't something we expect to see in the UK as a rule. -16 maybe on a few nights of the year in only a few spots. Being an island, we are surrounded by sea and it would take an Ice Age to freeze that and TBH that's not where global temperatures are trending.
@tonyh5524
@tonyh5524 2 жыл бұрын
Great video mate. I've installed a few of these heaters on canal boats and my customers are very happy with the results.
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 2 жыл бұрын
Canal boats are the best
@Tommi-C
@Tommi-C Жыл бұрын
This is the first time I have seen one of your videos. Very good, very informative. I think we'll all be doing this soon if prices keep going up and up.
@rikubister6562
@rikubister6562 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for video, here is some things you might think about: - Intake of burner must be taken from outside, as you let out other tube. now you are venting heated air to outside, its not a big deal, but when -20c and want to run quietly... - thermometer is not so good on controller, but you can use to "set" certain temp. - 5.5hz is 5kw heater. 5,8kw units are the same. - you can calculate consumption via pump hertz to get more consum information if needed :) - running on lower setting will have ALOT less consumption of power, you can use your 13.8v ac adaptor (if you use a small lead acid battery in pararell for igniting) Here on finland electricity prices is about the same, abit more. like 30-60cents/kwh in euro total atm, and there will be alot problems of poor people paying bills as we need heat long time, as we are on north.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
That's excellent information. Thank you. Cheers J
@SchoolforHackers
@SchoolforHackers 2 жыл бұрын
Yikes your electricity is expensive! In New Mexico USA I’m paying about 12 cents/kWh. Stay warm -
@heyallenify
@heyallenify 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a chain-fall hoist from Vevor as well as a beam clamp they sell. The two worked wonderfully to anchor the chain-fall to a beam in my garage and let me lift heavy loads in and out of a truck and hopefully will allow me to pull my project car's engine soon. I'll be looking at these diesel-fired heaters, as while the garage is insulated and wired for power, it's not set up for heating and something like this could work well to take the edge off during the winters.
@wallacegrommet9343
@wallacegrommet9343 2 жыл бұрын
Vevor is the Acme of China !
@CrusaderSports250
@CrusaderSports250 2 жыл бұрын
I too have a number of Vevor products and would have no problem recommending them, generally speaking cheap Chinese junk today has become cheap Chinese products, everyone will tell of a disaster but no one mentions the many happy customers. The lower prices also makes many tools available to the average person which would have been cost prohibitive, can only be good😊.
@trevorjarvis3021
@trevorjarvis3021 2 жыл бұрын
Great review Joshua - fantastic how you took the product apart inspected and explained its workings and then carried out a “controlled” test. Excellent content once again. 👏👍✊👌
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Trevor, I've discovered other factors since so I'll include those in the follow up. things like how to calculate the out put and is it really 8kw, what is the electrical consumption and can we heat water using the exhaust. cheers J
@johncourtneidge
@johncourtneidge 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@nickwinn7812
@nickwinn7812 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the control didn't actually evaluate the output so it's baloney.
@Google_Does_Evil_Now
@Google_Does_Evil_Now 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickwinn7812 well we were told the size of the room, and we saw the temperature at the start and at the finish by the :-( and happy smiling face :-) Based on the room size and temperature difference it's possible to work it out.
@nickwinn7812
@nickwinn7812 2 жыл бұрын
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now It' not possible to be over 100% efficient, full stop. Plus you need to know the heat loss calculation for the room, not it's size.
@arkadybron1994
@arkadybron1994 Жыл бұрын
When waste oil is disposed by incineration, it is at very, very high temperatures. This so that all of the combustion products are consumed, rather than vented to the atmosphere, as they would be by low temperature combustion, such as in your heater.
@pistolpete65
@pistolpete65 2 жыл бұрын
A few suggestions from an aged observer of alternative fuels. Mr Diesels engine was originally designed to run on Peanut oil, that particular point is not entirely relevant but keep it in mind, diesels do not need diesel to run on, regular diesel is just usually cheaper and easier that the legal alternatives. In the past there are plenty of people who have run engines/ cars on waste cooking oil, vegetable oil, waste oil. The best practice for running these engines and prolonging their life was to start and stop them on regular diesel, warm them to working temperature then switch to the alternative fuel. The heat generated from the diesel warm up was used to pre heat the alternative fuel and ensure that it could flow freely in the pipes. The shut down process switched back to regular diesel in order to flush the alternative fuel from the feed pipes and ensure clog free starting. This was mainly to ensure that certain waste cooking oils etc. were at sufficient temperature that they could flow freely and not clog pipes. This would all depend on which alternative fuel you were to elect to use. I have seen plenty of people use these heaters (in the basic unit configuration) to heat mobile homes, live in vans etc. many have had success, a few have had problems and some have changed to alternatives. It would appear to be that you pays you money and takes your chances, some people have come to the conclusion that the basic heater should be changed every year because it is cheap Chinese stuff, others go till it breaks then replace.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Very good information. Thank you. Cheers J
@nirmanakaya1666
@nirmanakaya1666 2 жыл бұрын
True, I use a mixture of kerosene (petroleum) and diesel. At first pure kerosene, which was much cheaper than diesel, but not anymore. Kerosene burns more cleaner and seems to deliver more heat, it also preempts forming curds in diesel when left in cold storage.
@chrisf5475
@chrisf5475 2 жыл бұрын
Thought this was a new product but as soon as you took the cover off I realised it’s the same Chinese diesel heater people have been using in their camper vans for years… just without the outer casing, and using a separate tank. They are pretty decent.
@dragonrebel1132
@dragonrebel1132 Жыл бұрын
My first thought as you mentioned in your video was safety but noise too Joshua. So I would mount it externally on a wall and build a weather proof enclosure around it and pipe the heat in probably through a two ducts from one heat outlet.
@frankdeegan8974
@frankdeegan8974 3 ай бұрын
On the other side of the pond. I drove semi trucks and they had this type of heater in the sleeper, this was 12 years ago and they were old back then. Yes they run very well and they will heat a room fast and hot in no time.
@haroldbell1097
@haroldbell1097 2 жыл бұрын
I fitted a cab heater (Eberspacher) in my workshop over 25 years ago before the cheap versions were available, as others have pointed out it is preferable to run the instalation via a 12v battery and battery charger, this will ensure correct shut down procedure in the event of a mains powe failure. Even if its running when the power fails eventually the low battery voltage wiill shut the until down correctly without damage.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
That's good to know. Thank you. Cheers J
@codprawn
@codprawn 2 жыл бұрын
I use a 12v 30amp psu. Can be had for £25 on Ebay. Far better than using a battery unless you live somewhere where power cuts are common.
@Liowen
@Liowen 2 жыл бұрын
​@@codprawn Since most heat with electric I believe it has more to do with reducing the need for using mains power to cycle it on and off and more of how to keep it reliable and affordable to stay warm in the winter. If you have a solar "generator" you could stick solar panels outside during the day and recharge the "generator" for when you use it at night, since consumes very little when running a 1000w one should be more than enough to run it with just solar charging it. Of course some of those can be used as an uninterruptible power supply (UPS) so it would be topped up if/when the power goes out, of course you will still need to charge it somehow if power remains out.
@rajdattani1507
@rajdattani1507 2 жыл бұрын
First time I’ve seen your videos and I loved it!! You explain everything so well that it can make sense to a toddler! Lovely installation work putting that heater up too! I instantly subscribed and look forward to seeing more of your content.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Raj, your very kind. Lots more coming soon. Cheers J
@jcrosby735
@jcrosby735 2 жыл бұрын
Joshua, thank you so much for putting this video together! I HAVE SUSCRIBED and look forward to watching more of your very well made and informative videos. I immediately purchased one as we all know things are going to be very hard this winter. I live in Plymouth Massachusetts right next to Plymouth Rock and it gets very cold here in the winter. This is a great solution and I appreciate your modifications that you made to enhance the functionality of the unit while simultaneously showing us the insides of the product and ways of improving upon it. Take care and thank you from across the pond! -James
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Lots more information on this to come shortly. Cheers J
@barryyeatman5751
@barryyeatman5751 Жыл бұрын
I HAVE INSTALLED THREE OF THESE outside my house in plastic storage boxes with an inlet and outlet through my exterior walls they are brilliant every thing is outside including the exhaust etc the fuel storage is inside the storage box best thing i ever installed
@s1dew1nd3r4
@s1dew1nd3r4 Жыл бұрын
what did you use to power them electricity speaking? into the mains or what?
@domenicozagari2443
@domenicozagari2443 Жыл бұрын
If you make a radiator from aluminum tubing and run the exhaust thru it you get additional heating.
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and I am sorry your fuel costs have skyrocketed! That is absolutely shameful in 2022, in a modern western country that people may be freezing. Our politicians that caused all this won't be freezing at all.
@akaraessex
@akaraessex 2 жыл бұрын
Those politicians should all be forced to go without heat or electricity all winter see how they like it. Accountability and term limits need to be set stat
@ponetastic
@ponetastic 2 жыл бұрын
farrtttttt
@joeking1019
@joeking1019 2 жыл бұрын
Why politicians are not worth the space they take up, but folks still waste their time, liberty and ultimately, life voting for these parasites
@snorttroll4379
@snorttroll4379 2 жыл бұрын
enabled by the sheep that believe the lies.
@nathangurevitch4506
@nathangurevitch4506 2 жыл бұрын
politicians one and all up against the f*cking wall
@baldobob7665
@baldobob7665 Жыл бұрын
for the exhaust an insulator like aircrete could be used with another larger pipe. aircrete is portland cement and dawn soap or suave shampoo to make large air pockets in the cement.
@daklakdigital3691
@daklakdigital3691 Жыл бұрын
I live in sunny VietNam, only living in the Central Highlands at 8,000 feet it gets cool. These heaters are very popular. I bought a similar device 5 years ago and since then slowly more and more neighbours have installed these units. Up north, along the Chinese border, the indigenous groups live in houses with a wood burning fireplaces with flues/chimneys in the middle of the one-room houses (the average house is about 8 metres square) and opening a door causes the smoke to back-Flow and fill the living spaces with smoky fumes. I appreciate your article as it shows quite clearly some smart up grades that are easy to make. These heaters make for healthy, heated living spaces. ONE THING - FIRE EXTINGUISHERS SHOULD BE AT HAND - JUST IN CASE.
@paulbarnes1576
@paulbarnes1576 2 жыл бұрын
FYI .. I had a similar unit fitted to my Narrow Boat, when the unit was fed by the mains via a battery charger (power supply) .. it would burn out the glow plugs (every 6 moths) as the voltage was kept above 12v in this case 14v to keep the batteries charged..... so make sure the power supply you have is maintained 12v ...
@lesliegrayson1722
@lesliegrayson1722 Жыл бұрын
Never seen one before, in Australia there is so much wood and everyone is somewhat glad when it gets colder and frosty, I remember running around as a kids on frost in the morning in Canberra, horrible place.
@joshuadelisle
@joshuadelisle Жыл бұрын
I could imagine. Cheers J
@100SteveB
@100SteveB 2 жыл бұрын
The cost of heating this year is sky high. My neighbour usually uses coal to power their boiler, last year it was £400 per ton, this year it is over £800 per ton. We are out in the countryside, so no natural gas. I use LPG for my central heating, the price of which is probably about 20% dearer this year than last year, which is not too bad when you consider just how much other fuels have increased. My workshop is in a big barn, so not really practical to heat it in the winter, but if I had a smaller space I would certainly consider one of these type of heaters, not too bad at all for the price.
@philipfranklin5384
@philipfranklin5384 4 ай бұрын
Fitted one in my house 2 years ago and ran the exhaust through an old empty central heating radiator to capture all that waste heat and it works more efficiently, Radiator gets really hot too, I recon u get 20 percent plus more heat that way also run on domestic heating oil (kerosene) @ 56 pence a litre
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