Massdrop 6XX vs K7XX | Headphone Comparison

[@KennyJordana]

Regardless on which headphone is better , I think we can most or all agree that these headphones are way better than any headset that Astro or Turtle Beach puts out.

[@patrickmoney1894]

Kenny Jordana would you recommend the 7xx or the 6xx for immersive single player games?

[@wuffleiron4221]

@@patrickmoney1894 from what I've seen on the forums and reviews, it would be the hd6xx. that drop closed just yesterday though. the hd58x is still ongoing and very similar. Ive bought a hd58x for this drop too

[@patrickmoney1894]

WuffleIron I actually ordered the 58x probably shorty after I made that comment. Still thanks for the reply, it makes me more confident In my purchase.

[@audiostuff9065]

Thats an embarrassing comparison haha

[@zahitemremetin606]

@@patrickmoney1894 So, is HD58X any good for single-player?

[@coryhull79]

Josh, solid review man! I find that most reviewers don't do the best when it comes to clearly describing the differences between two headphones when compared directly, for myself at least, but you did an awesome job. I just ordered the 6XX's.

[@JoshuaValour]

Thanks Cory!

[@adeelzero1445]

I actually sold my K7XX after hearing the 6XX's. The senns sounded way more natural and have cleaner bass. The AKG's were super wide but no center imaging and I was not a big fan of the bass boost. It made them sound distorted in my opinion.

[@adeelzero1445]

@@scottlowell493 I haven't heard the 600 but I do know that your pair is more neutral than the 650/6XX. If you're into warmer signature, it's a pretty good deal.

[@ether2434]

The 6line it's just fantastic man, Im not surprised you sold your k7xx because of the 650/6xx

[@ether2434]

@@adeelzero1445 and those 600 compared to 650.youll get a little more focus on vocals, even more, and it has less bass than 650, both are great, if you have any headphone of the 6 line you don't need anything else, example; if you have hd600 you don't need 650 or 660, and the same goes with 650 and 660 Edit because I'm stupid

[@adeelzero1445]

@@ether2434 Agreed. I'd wait for the 660S to go down a bit if I were to buy one. It's a total waste of $500 currently.

[@BD-tp6pr]

look at the 58x jubilee for $150.- on massdrop. Z-review said they were almost the same as the 660s.

[@protato911]

the way you setup the 2 headphones in the thumbnail reminded me of the Light Cycle in Tron.

[@natevirtual]

Yeah! I literally commented the same thing! :)

[@garyw.9528]

Exactly! I scrolled passed this video and I thought the thumbnail was a futuristic motorcycle.

[@Xsetsu]

You actually nailed @ about 7:20 mark for me. Music preference is hugely influential on which you will prefer. For me, the Senn just don't work for what I end up listening to. They can't reach far enough into the low end for electronic and don't work well for heavier metal, that tends to be much busier, most of the time especially when you do something like Lacuna Coil where there are duets that blended into the music. But when I want to listen to a certain style of music I have them on standby for that purpose. 6xx or whatever version have work great for things like Portishead or Tom Waits or Bob Dylan, which frequently listen to as well. And I make these kinds of comment every time for a reason. The Senn 6xx, 600, 650s are all so gushed over so much. If you tell somebody new to headphones these are the ones to buy and they are like me, you end up leaving a bad taste in their mouth over audiophile gear. So people need to know they don't fit everyone. If that makes any sense. Great review though Josh.

[@hangover4833]

Agreed. I am new to the audio hobby, and bought into the HD650/6xx hype train. The whole time, i was never satisfied. I felt something is missing with these headphones. I kept wanting more from them. Then few days ago I got HE-4xx. Oh man, the depth of the soundstage blew me away, and the bass extension brought life to the music. I finally figured out what I felt was missing from the 6xx. They just lack the soundstage depth and the bass extension. They sounded flat in comparison to he-4xx. Like what you said, I too kinda wish people would stop over hyping the hd600 line as if it's a must have cans for anyone to get into the audio hobby.

[@Lmao-ke9lq]

Nasus D. Cane what music are you listening to?

[@nothing8675]

imagine metal 571 doing this wooo intro and then suddenly speaking calmly like always

[@intoitreviews]

I think Josh thinks he's the next Rick Flare?

[@antoinep9733]

First discovered your channel (at less than 200 subs) researching my 6XX purchase a year and a half ago, man, it seems like five years ago! Thanks to a handful of KZbinrs like yourself Josh (RIP Inner Fidelity), I’ve learnt so much about head-fi and lightened my wallet a little more, but I’m still loving the Sennheisers. I can listen to music for literally hours with no fatigue or discomfort, I just soak into the tunes.

[@bani_niba]

I have both of these. The K7XX is one of my favorite cans. I find the 6XX too restrained, e.g. the Sennheiser veil. The AKG is much more comfortable, with the clamping force of the 6XX too high. I agree about the wider soundstage with the AKG.

[@kbeau937]

Reviews are subjective people... different strokes for different folks.. you cant argue with opinions, you can only agree or disagree.

[@nothing8675]

but we can discuss statements

[@smartypants4571]

Comparing audio is like comparing ice cream flavor or talking about your favorite color !

[@staceejaxx3071]

I love my 7xx. I can clearly hear the steps and direction of enemies in games.

[@SANFRAN]

are you using an equalizer or what settings do you use? I have the liquid carbon dac/amp from massdrop, trying to figure out the best settings.

[@SANFRAN]

@Random Guy you are so ignorant it blows my mind that you would comment something like that

[@SANFRAN]

@Random Guy I think you forget to realize people have more money than you

[@SultanxD]

@@SANFRAN ahahah nice one

[@houssamalucad753]

@Random Guy mobo isn't powerful enough for these headphones. For 58X or most consumer headphones, yes. These, no.

[@proudcanadian9816]

Great review and comparisons Josh. REally enjoyed it ! I personally own the Mass/Senns 6xx's. I ordered them last year and I absolutely LOVE em. I also like FPS gaming hence why I bought a modmic 5.0 for it. I also wanted to have a good selection of sound signatures to choose from for whatever I feel like listening to. I own a pair of Bose QC25's, a pair of Sennheiser GSP500's, and the Audio Technica ATH-ADG1x. And I am always switching em up to listen to a different pair every other week. In addition to my cans, I purchased 2 headphone amps; the Sennheiser GSX1000, and the Mayflower ARC. The ARC I specifically purchased so I could properly drive the 6xx's. Thanks to your thorough review, I believe I may have to order the MASS/AKG's too :)

[@sugarbunify]

I really appreciate your thorough review comparing these! :)

[@rhodey2952]

I had the k7xx and I wasn't a fan of them for gaming. I understand they have a huge soundstage but I didn't think they were accurate with the imaging. I'd rather have the 650s natural soundstage and better imaging. Sound is subjective and this is just my opinion but I wasnt a fan of the 7xx.

[@konna200]

Again you nailed it! Keep up the honest and good work!

[@bobbycyr69]

Thank You very much Joshua for that awesome review and for including the link for those awesome "Red Cables" at the bottom of your description. They look super cool. They also look like they are going to be real comfort improvement! Did you also by chance happen to possibly notice that there was even a slight sound improvement over the stock Sennheiser cables?🤔

[@JackTheSmack444]

If you don't mind me asking, what are those red replacement cables you're using for the HD6XX's? I have my pair of 6XX's coming in tomorrow! Super excited but already scoping out getting some more durable cables than the stock.

[@Gabbanelli64]

Review?

[@JackTheSmack444]

@@Gabbanelli64 Been loving them (6XX's) since I got them. Soundstage is pretty intimate but wonderful and fantastic for gaming. Haven't had any issues with the cables but still interested in finding out what the reasoning is behind the red cables Josh is using.

[@Gabbanelli64]

@@JackTheSmack444 Hey ty so much! I think soundstage is a problem because i'm a progressive metal/rock fan :/

[@Selandr]

Great reviews Joshua! Glad I found your channel. I wonder what would you pick comparing 7xx vs 58x vs 4xx... For a dirty casual single player gamer.

[@barood7588]

Andrey Seleznov 7xx best headphones for first shooter games no competition

[@zahitemremetin606]

Which one did you choose?

[@Near2Future]

Just bought my 6XX headphoes hope they serve me well!

[@m.morininvestor9920]

I have a grado SR80e... should I buy HD6XX ??

[@davidmason8212]

I have heard that the k7xx is the second widest headphone that have ever made is that correct ? Thehd 800 is the widest

[@Sevensliders]

I have the K7XX and definitely from the looks of things, 6XX is the clear winner. I like my K7XX as a gaming headphone (with CAL! 1 as my main headphone) but I have gotten other cans since then.

[@originalmusic401]

just bought these, can't wait to try them out!!

[@TheKhaledmomo]

I have both. Both very good headphone, but the K7XX is my favourite by far. Way more confortable, better for gaming, highs are not as "rude "as on the k7xx. But both are good

[@russmiller7687]

The response graph shows a range of 10-1000hz as a large portion because that is over 5 octaves of the audio spectrum displayed, conversely 7000hz-14000hz is only 1 octave, so it does not constitute nearly as much of the audio spectrum. 1 octave (doe-ray-me-fah-so-lah-de-doe) doubles the frequency... it's not linear. 20-40hz is an octave, as is 5k-10k hz. I felt it needed said, because it's very important... the response graph is not misleading, it is representative of the audio spectrum.

[@7thmoosefromtheright]

Thanks for helping me make sure I bought the right headphones.

[@N0B0DY490]

Hey Joshua, You said the K7xx is one of the best headphones for gaming. Which other ones would you recomend? And would you say the Byerdynamic DT 990 Pros are wider oder more narrow in terms of Soundstage and which is better in imaging. Would be awsome if you could do a roundup for good open back headphones for gaming. I'm Looking for one :D. Love your content - have a great day :).

[@bradulovic82]

Get AKG K712 Pros. Have them, love them, especially for gaming. Superb comfort, very wide soundstage. Just dont pay more than 200 - 230 euros (260 USD) for them. For some reason they are really expensive in the USA (400+ USD).

[@Lmao-ke9lq]

Boris Radulovic because they are made in europe

[@mrfr3d33x]

K712 Pros better 4 Gaming! (Vs 990 pro)

[@lllSquidlll]

I love my K7XX's, I came from "higher end" gaming headsets and I perfer these over my friends 6XX (he has a massdrop dac/amp, I have schiit setup)

[@Nick_in_the_6ix]

Can you please do a comparison video between K&XX and Philips Fidelio X2HR?

[@rami30]

Are you a gamer?

[@pasi123567]

This is exactly how I experienced the HD600 and the K702 like. I chose the K702 because I find that wider sound just more enjoyable. I do use an EQ though to make the sound more clear like the HD600

[@JohnA...]

This review is a few years old now, but my 2 cents on the K7XX as I've owned them for a like 4 years or more now. They are great sounding, and as mentioned in this video the sound stage is quite large. I'm not a pro, or fortunate enough to buy/own many pairs of headphones so I can't compare them to others, but I do enjoy them. A few things to note, the cord that comes with them isn't great so I personally have made a couple different ones (not too tough just a little careful soldiering) if you do try not to make one too heavy or too long. I also don't have the largest dome (as well as not having any hair) so the fitment is very loose out of the box, the ear cups want to sag down, to get around that I bough a cheap strap cushion and it works fine I'm sure you could also make one from some memory foam if you wanted. Side note I do also use a DAC/amp with them so that could skew my review some.

[@xathe6732]

cant unsee how in the panning shots of the headphones it looks like they are scooting across the table

[@kenwebster5053]

It sounds like I made the right choice with the 6XX because I like Folk and Folk/Rock where vocal engagement is really important. I am not into gaming at all, not even a smidge.

[@trog69]

Well, I got them both, as well as the HE4xx. Love the K7xx's overall.

[@MarioWizzz]

@Joshua Valour, did you EQ your HD6xx?

[@Enzoheavenly]

Which one would be better for mixing?

[@KeepUpTheFPS]

Hey man, new sub here! I Currently own a couple pair (BeyerDynamics C-ONE Pro, Shure se215 and Sennheiser PXC 550) And am looking for a decent pair of open back headphones to try open back. Looking at the $200-$250~ range, any suggestions ?

[@zack_szh6769]

I personally think K7xx looks way better than HD6xx...

[@Datníğğa123]

You smoking crack the 6xx looks super clean

[@catinabox2670]

@@Datníğğa123 I would prefer k7xx, but it's just personal preference

[@Chase-yg5no]

Did you find the 4XXs to be nearly as wide as the 7XX?

[@intoitreviews]

I was curious about this as well.

[@massivemikeh]

No...the 4xx is about halfway between the wide k7xx and the narrow hd6xx. Cheers

[@Lmao-ke9lq]

Snake Roberts and what about sundara

[@doglus123]

It's an old video, but I'm leaving a comment for those watching to compare these two headphones. Most agree with this video. However, there is an error in the part talking about the required Amp Power during the comparison between the HD6XX and the K7XX. The K7XX needs more amp power than the HD6XX. Specs don't tell you everything. In fact, of the two headphones, my ears pop when I hit the HD6XX at the volume of the K7XX.

[@jamesstevens968]

Hi josh i had the beyerdynamic. Amiron home. And returned them for the dt 1990 for watching movies and playing games do you think i made the right choice. Are they fatiguing the. Dt 1990. How is the audio thankyou

[@JoshuaValour]

1990 is better - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZ6Zg4uPja91ZtU

[@megazine]

I own both. I do prefer the 6XX over the 7XX due to warmth and comfort. The 7XX for my head is very lose. They basically just hang from the top of my head (head strap), while the 6XX fits snuggly all around my head. My 7XX does offer great sound when connected to my Nintendo switch and supposably they are better for gaming. I had trouble trying, to tell the difference when it comes to gaming, but I will try again today. 7XX does offer great sound.

[@meltoff9339]

This basically sums it up for me as well, the 7XX are nice, but just don't fit on my head. I also prefer the tighter bass and overall feel of the 6XX. If the 7XX were comfortable I would swap them out for gaming as the sound-stage really does make a difference.

[@Lmclean89]

The 6xx is the greatest headset I've used. It's realistic and intimate. Paul McCartney or Brian Wilson's backing vocals on these... pwoahh.

[@TheDodgefan9]

I recommend listening to the album Ella and Basie on the 6XX. The vocal delivery is simply amazing. It's available on Tidal.

[@anhiirr]

DAMN imo from what ive seen the truest comparison between them is how they would react with which "gear" is driving them and the fun to be had from it......the sound is obviously different off top in regards to the aesthetic of the sound signature. I need to buy some 6XX, ive owned the K7XX for 3+ years now. I find it to be very enjoyable for its staging for gaming- podcasts etc. The audio is very immersive something that i know the 6XX cant come close to. But to the same regard its really how/where they differ in most of where the K7XX benefits from its immersive staging and your ability to locate each instrument or etc in the audio mixing. Im positive the 6XX makes up for with its overall quality/precision by comparison. Talking throughout the entire sound spectrum. Its nice though bc when you mess with the hi-gain features of my schiit stack for example. you can already see the suble nuances and differences from the difference in the gain. K7XX mids and highs do get bridged where they fell off in high-gain......as far as presence or prominence. Also in regards to both i hear Both the K7XX and the 6XX highly favor "neutral power" with as much as they can handle ideal, and ideally want it fed through tubes, i hear these really favor tubes. Which at 200$ cans, to think you could spend upwards of 1000$+ on tube setups and get seemingly endless fun from 200$ entry cans. Massdrop really figured it out, getting repeat customers to buy their various tube amps, as well as tubes. If anything i DO need 6XX so i can cross reference a tube setup, time to hit up SCHIIT.

[@vinhngo1894]

whelp, already ordered the 6XX

[@pabloo7422]

how you like em?

[@vinhngo1894]

pablo o I love my HD 6XXs to death. Their sound signature is just perfect. Vocals sound very intimate and present, without being overwhelming. Bass is present, and if you like a little more bass, adding more with EQs make them sound even better. I’ve been using them for audio production and even video gaming. The soundstage is amazing for movie watching and playing immersive games. I recommend these to anyone :)

[@johncapone8843]

Hey could you help me out, as a gamer I'm looking for a good headphone dac/amp combo with good immersive sound in games like battlefield V and racing games. I play mostly single player maybe you can recommend a set up for single player and a set up for competitive?

[@2010johnking]

I would highly recommend an amplifier for both headphones. I just got a Lyr 3 yesterday and the K7XX really sing with it. They sound very good with my Vali 2 or the single ended output of the Jotunheim, but Lyr 3 puts out gobs of power and the K7XX like lots of power shoved into them. I haven’t tried the hd650s with Lyr 3 yet but I expect them to sound at least as good as with the Jotunheim.

[@Sina3gs]

What about listening to soundtracks without vocals? Which one is superior?

[@ubesaaa]

I have the 6xx and want to buy the k7xx for gaming. What headphone do you recommend for me to add to this to listen to hiphop? I'm talking modern trap hip hop with sub bass.

[@0_AVG]

I think your reviews and comparisons are quite interesting and competent. On the rights of your subscriber, I ask you to give advice, what kind of full-size headphones from those you have listened to, it is better to buy in addition to Beyerdynamic DT880pro, - Sennheiser 6xx or Hifiman 4xx? I was a little tired by the bright signature of my Beyers. Thank you in advance for your response.

[@JoshuaValour]

6xx is my preference!

[@treblig_00]

K7xx VS beyerdynamic DT 990 PRO for gaming which one you pick?

[@rami30]

K702 for sure

[@PaperPlane7719]

Please review the Focal ELEX! I'm sure mass drop will send you a review unit. Then please compare them all. I want to know if I should buy the ELEX to go with my lcd2 classics and 4xx and 6xx

[@hdibart]

Were you using a particular amp for your evals?

[@phillipnunya6793]

How does the soundstage and imaging of the K7XX compare with the SHP9500?

[@rami30]

Too much i got both 🤷🏻‍♂️ I feel like im cheater when i use the k7XX

[@Pyregazer]

Actually, for an extra 20 bucks you can get Audio Technica's 990z's. For gaming, you can't do much better and they are a lot of fun with music too. I do love my 650s for comfort and laid back sound though.

[@ligh7foo7]

so what headphones do you use for pouncing in gaming? 9:40.

[@joshuaclark3848]

These are great headphones but they are EXCELLENT gaming headphones, specially for advanced FPS games like Escape from Tarkov etc, the bass and open back design are perfect for position locations in gaming, they are a little more bass(y) compared the standard headphones but this is what makes them different from the original counterpart. 8/10 for music 10/10 for gaming, just sad there is no mic option relative to my experience with these. If you don't have a top end motherboard or sound card, you will probably need a DAC/AMP combo to power them. These should be reviewed as GAMING headphones not music.

[@adnantoons]

7xx or 4xx

[@rami30]

The AKG K702 is one of the best headset for gaming . Man I tried both and i felt like i was cheating with the K702 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@pg1864]

Intresting how do they compare to DT990s? I've heard that with adding toilet paper in front of the driver you can make those sound great

[@dnd6379]

Instead of toilet paper use shit and then they might start being warmer.

[@clownworldresidentii5184]

Solder dude at diy audio sells something like a hardware equalizer for that specific HP. Check it out. Changing amp to bring down the brightness is absurd. I used to own a T5P and owned possibly the warmest SS amp currently, the Polaris amp. It wasn't nearly enough. What you need is EQ

[@SUPERVANS56]

Haven't used my K7XXs in a while. I remember that I liked the sound, but those stupid elastic bands that keep them from sagging too far down my head have always been just way too stretchy.

[@diatom333]

okay baby head

[@thatafknoob7813]

So which would you recommend for dubstep/electro and pop/hit songs?

[@waynebruce24893]

6XX

[@chrissimons5872]

Where can i get those red cables for 6xx

[@konna200]

But i own AKG 712 Pro and the HD660S "i know 150ohms" is different but still cant figured out that why 712 need more powah than 660?

[@Goodmandoinggoodtings]

Do more sub 200$ headphone reviews. 😁

[@kloug2006]

Tour thumbnail looks like a futuristic bike.

[@SSchithFoo]

I got the 6XX but dont' like it that much. They felt only marginally better than my M40x which sound wider for a closed back headphone. I expected HD6xx to sound open and wide because of the design but the only thing it is doing is leaking sound outside without achieving the wideness. I probably should have gotten HE4xx but Senhhisser is much more durable from what I hear.

[@julianfun2087]

The K7XX fit my head perfectly as I have a big head, would the HD6XX be very uncomfortable for me due to the clamping force?

[@intoitreviews]

I have a large head and it took about a 2 months for my 58x to not cause me a headache with extended use... my 6xx was fine right outside the box, so may depend on your particular pair. Also swapped to dekoni pads on each and this helped as well.

[@julianfun2087]

@@intoitreviews Just got my 6xx and it's quite comfortable. Which dekoni pads did u get? I was thinking of getting a pair too

[@intoitreviews]

@@julianfun2087 use the fenestrated dekonis on the 6xx, elite sheepskin on the 58x.

[@davidmason8212]

Actually Zoes love the sound stage and thats why he loves the x2 For me i agree with josh 6xx is better

[@CarlosPanades]

How they perform to listen to Heavy Metal? Let's say Metallica, Disturbed and some Metalcore like Demon Hunter? Edit: I think he already answered it at 7:20

[@ntyh92]

Does the sound stage difference translate to say film watching? Would the 7XX be more favourable for a dolby 5.1 experience?

[@JoshuaValour]

Hmmm. Maybe actually. But kinda like music It really depends on the movies sound design. I recommend movies like dunkirk for impressive sound design.

[@ntyh92]

@@JoshuaValour I just saw your 1More review right after leaving this comment. I'm under the impression if film watching is the absolute number one priority, the 1More would be a better buy than both of these headphones? Thanks for replying btw, it's a nice reminder of what really makes KZbin a pleasurable platform, in the midst of many other toxic comment sections.

[@salmatic81]

Can you recommend a good pair of over ear headphones for use with mobile devices, closed back, not overly bassy, for about $200 and under?

[@brokentangent6510]

Vmoda M100's. Can be easily driven by mobile phones.

[@GeorgeWKush-lb4fc]

Senheiser dt990 pro 32ohm

[@ElTejocotetl]

How does a powerful amp would affect soundstages of this headphones?

[@JoshuaValour]

A little but not much.

[@ElTejocotetl]

Joshua Valour thanks Joshua....with that info now, I'm gonna pair my 6XX with and JDS Atom. Thanks for change me from Razer Kraken to actual headphones.

[@T3mptat1on]

You must not have done your research, because everyone complains about the build quality on the 7xx with their creaky plastic.

[@monsters8730]

what is the thingy on the right cup of the 6xx? cosmetic augmentation or damage to the grill?

[@zahitemremetin606]

Magnet of ModMic

[@GusFring1226]

i got no amp just the fiio x3 2nd gen, can it drive the hd6xx properly?

[@ccovemaker]

Super helpful video.

[@مباركبنكعببنسعدالتميمي]

Hi bro Which is more better for fps compatitve games like rainbow six seige to listen foot steps very well ??

[@loslewis950]

People say the 712 is the best not the pro version the standard because its got less bass

[@fujishiki]

7xx is not sensitive at all. With 93dB/mw just like its older brother K701 and 702 requires a lot of current to be driven.

[@davidwright2379]

Josh, how does the Hd6xx go with the btr5 dac amp? Cheers Dave

[@LorenzoFrausto]

I have 6XX, just got them yesterday haha. They run fine off my Qudelix 5K. Hope this helps!

[@davidwright2379]

@@LorenzoFrausto thank you Lorenzo

[@LorenzoFrausto]

@@davidwright2379 you’re welcome brotha

[@C7Tmac]

Witch one will you recomend for long period of gaming comfortable

[@trog69]

The K7xx are larger overall. I do not get the headphone headache at all from the AKG's. Sometimes I have from teh HD6xx, I think due to the added clamping.

[@C7Tmac]

@@trog69 how does the 6xx do on fps ?

[@blewrezzin3677]

I'm curious about your thoughts on hd600 vs hd650

[@kbeau937]

600 not as warm and bassy. Punchier and smaller soundstage. Clearer, Better for acoustic music. 650 wider warmer bassier.. just different flavors

[@dnd6379]

For the 6xx (I have 650) for the amplification I would disagree, I also have the he 4xx, dt990, 668B, B&W P7 and I would have to say that the 6xx/650 are more on the easy side of driving them and that even lower end gear drives them better than any other of those headphones, I have tried the 650 on my galaxy S8 and on my HP G5 250 laptop and I have to say that these sound A LOT better over the others, for example the HE 4XX on the phone is missing a lot of the low end and the sound isn't as big and the detail and imaging is as good but the hd 6xx sounded quite close to my HP-A4BL amp/dac that I have, the 650 take VERY well to low end quipment unlike other headphones, I have them plugged in the laptop and they sound still very good for what it is. Also for me the 650 sound quite wide, they aren't as wide as HE 4xx ofcourse but they can be very intimate and wide depending on what the music/game/movie/anime is trying to do with the sound, but with some songs that were recorded in big settings the sound is big and spacious.

[@hangover4833]

Quite agree. I'm new to this audio hobby. I spent hours testing to try to figure out if using an amp grants thst much superior sound on hd6xx compared to using smartphones. And my conclusion is, if you have a flagship phone of the past year or so, the sound would be very good, very close to a dedicated amp/dac combo. Now I think a lot of the so called "audiophiles" are a lot of bullshit. They make the impression that you need to spend a lot of money on audio gear to make the headphones sound good. Some even says changing headphone cables will change the sound. ....

[@dnd6379]

@@hangover4833 Amplification works differently on every headphone, so you can't say it is the same for every headphone. I have hd 650 which sounds great on my phone but he4xx sucks. Also superlux 668B sucks on a phone because they have cheap drivers, they need more refinement. You can hear a difference between any amp out there. I had an aune x1s, fostex HP-A4BL and a fiio e10k and I could hear the differences between all of them. And I say that the audiophile community isn't full of shit. If you haven't tested it you can't say it isn't true. Some people say that they can hear the difference between cables on speakers as well and I can't say that isn't true until I test it myself. Also it depends on what expensive is to you and hoe much you are willing to invest. I think an aune x1s is very well priced and others would think it's expensive.

[@hangover4833]

@@dnd6379 i know different amp will sound different. That's not my point. My point is, since playing from my Note 8 already sounds pretty damn close to my dedicated decent entry-level amp/dac (vali 2 and modi 2 multibit), i doubt upgrading amp/dac will make as much of a difference as some audiophiles make it out to be. Of course sound will be improved, just like how I noticed the improvement of sound from my phone to my amp/dac, but it took me at least 30 mins A/B testing to figure out exactly how was sound improved, while making sure it's not just placebo effect. So my hypothesis is that upgrading amp/dac will have similar slight improvement to sound. Will the improvement be noticeable? Probably. Will the difference be so big that you can immediately tell how exactly the sound signature differs? Probably not for most people. But some audiophiles make it seems that different amp/dacs make the sound so much different that it is life changing, at least eliminating those really cheap poor built amp/dacs. Will I upgrade my gears in the future given the chance? Probably. But is it logical to spend that much money on amp/dac for that tiny bit of sound improvement? Probably not. And that's why this is a hobby. Also, i didn't say audiophile community is full of shit. I said it has a lot of bullshit. It has a lot of good information, but at the same time, a lot of nonsense. Different cables makes headphones sound so much different? Yeah right. Will cables make a difference? Probably. Will it be noticeable, hmmmm , maybe only to the select few whose ear sensitivity is blessed by an angel.

[@dnd6379]

@@hangover4833 Now you are backtracking of what you said about cables, just wanted to point that out. Going from "Some even says changing headphone cables will change the sound" to "Will cables make a difference? Probably.". But besides that if you listen closely you can easily hear differences between amps and when you pay attention to sound you can easily hear the difference when you use them daily. But at the end of they day speakers are still better so you might wanna give that a try as well. I just got my Jamo S803 and running them through a Denon AVR-X1500H. Human hearing is 20h to 20khz and that is standard and most younglings can hear that, so you do not have to blessed or anything. Just don't go to clubs too often or blast music too loud too often and you are good.

[@hangover4833]

@@dnd6379 now you are just nitpicking what I said, lmao. I didn't explain what i meant by "some say cable will change sound" in my first reply, so I tried to elaborate more on my second reply. That doesn't mean I'm backtracking. This is youtube comment, I'm not gonna write an essay explaining every nuance of my thoughts. And I already explained pretty clearly what I meant by sound differences when changing amp/dac/cable, but you don't seem to get what i mean. Oh well. Kudos to you for taking the time to reply to all my comments tho.

[@Moshingpenguins]

Would you say that the hifiman he4xx is a perfect middle ground for both or what is your opinion?

[@7w168]

7 is great for all around. 6 is better at music only. If I can only keep one, 7 for sure.

[@carlosa.sencion6516]

Had the K7XX, massive soundstage, like wow, probably the biggest I've ever heard... it's like they added some steroids to it. Overall sound was good too, very defined, crystaline. The only problem I found with these headphones is that they tend to have loose driver wires (by faulty design), and can only be fixed with soldering... (which it's very uncomfortable to do if you don't have some experience).

[@colinburger6084]

please tell me what cables you have on the 6XX?

[@JoshuaValour]

Periapt

[@Junior-rw3jm]

Great Review. I own both 🤙🏼

[@bandhanjha8563]

Which one do you like better ?

[@Junior-rw3jm]

Bandhan Jha Depends on what you’re listening to. Maybe swinging a bit more towards the 6xx

[@marcelmatzenauer6352]

Intro inspiration from Peter McKinnon? 😊

[@petermartin9494]

Both those headphones are compromised to the degree that they are uninteresting to me. Yes, I have had the equivalent of both. The Sennheiser is boring and the K7xx is unacceptably compromised in the bass.

[@maxjylk8113]

Do the 6xx work well with the Schiit Fulla 2?

[@thatafknoob7813]

Yes. Typically, any amp and/or dac over $80USD can drive any headphones, even the 600ohm beyerdynamic headphones. Especially anything from Schiit, they make excellent shit

[@naycnay]

@@thatafknoob7813 Nah mate. I think you're fulla schiit...

[@thatafknoob7813]

naycnay they work just fine. U run them just fine on a fulla 2. I wouldn’t recommend it, but you can if you’re really on a budget

[@naycnay]

​@@thatafknoob7813 Just a play on the words mate. But like, there are plenty of headphones that still require a lot of power. Never tried the Bayerdynamics but I own some headphones that'd barely even be audible through something like the Fulla. Granted it's a rarity. Sometimes, an amp being able to get headphones "loud enough" isn't all the story. But I don't think the Fulla will particularly struggle with 6XXs.

[@thatafknoob7813]

naycnay agreed. A fulla 2 isn’t the best sounding dac/amp, but for the price it’s arguably the best of its kind

[@thestig301]

Could you review the Sony MDR 1AM2 or compare it with Sony 1000XM3

[@DMN3901]

My HD650, as good as it is.... The gaming comments are dead on. Distance is always a question. Imaging is decent, but I still refer to it as 3 blob. Rear imaging is not good. DT1990 was better for me in gaming. You can locate people much better in arena/moba fps. One of the reasons I'm considering buying one used again, but the price is getting close to the used HD800 bracket.

[@lumntoob999]

The hd800 soundstage/imaging is good for music if you like how it sounds, it's one of my favorite headphones but I hear that it is not good for gaming. I've heard people saying that it doesn't accurately place footsteps around you, I don't play any games with them so I couldn't tell you from experience but if your considering purchasing it mostly for gaming you may want to look into it.

[@DMN3901]

Thanks. Already owned a pair in the past and SDR'ed it. Overall, it's an upgrade for me personally. The main issue the hd800 has is that the soundstage is so large that imaging can be an issue at times.

[@hobojungle1]

Can someone help me out. I don't know much about sound in respect to the technical side of things. I just know what sounds good and I want to be able to enjoy my new 6xx's that just arrived today! I have them running straight into my PC with no amplifier. The headphones sound great but I have to max the volume of the PC out and they still aren't even that loud. I'm assuming if I were to run these things through an amplifier it would give me access to more volume... Is that correct?

[@origin.youtube]

yes a amp will make them louder

[@avitron142]

I've never understood the popularity of the 6's. Why would anyone want an open-back headphone for a "close" experience? Just get a M40X and have portability as an extra... But you've given a good rundown between these two headphones, well reviewed. I'm not much of a vocal fan so it's obviously the K7XX for me. If you're curious about more of the "wide" sound, take a look at the Pinnacle P1. It's the IEM version of the 7's when it comes to soundstage.

[@hangover4833]

I agree. I'm new to this hobby and bought into the hd600 line hype train. Needless to say. It left me disappointed. Now I just got he-4xx few days ago. Man, i can finally enjoy some quality music. 🤣

[@dnd6379]

Hd 650 do not sound closed. This video is a review of one person. Making it open back is also good to make an airy experience. Your ears can't breath as well with closed headphones and you can start sweating around your ears, but with open back ones you can't or it is harder. There are many reasons to go with open back even if it doesn't change the sound much or at all. DT990 are wide sounding but them being open backed doesn't have anything to do with audio but air flow. Dynamic drivers blow audio in 1 way so with most dynamic driver headphones you won't have a difference if they are closed or open. Planars blow both ways 50/50 so you will hear a big difference if they are open or closed. Hope this explanation helped you with understanding some of this. Have a great day and holidays.

[@dnd6379]

@@hangover4833 Where do you have them plugged? Also for how long did you play with your HD 6xx/650 and what genre of music did you listen? After having the hd 650 for about just a week and using them daily for hours and hours and then switched back tk he 4xx I actually found that the hd 650 has the low end of any other headphone I had/have. Dt990 or he4xx bass sounded bloated compared to hd 650, it was okey until I got the 650 but I right away heard that the 650 sound the closest to real life out of any headphone I have heard till date. You need to drive them with a good amp to get the sub bass out. The 650 literarly sound as if you are the microphone that other people sing or play instruments to. You should check out Sessions from 17th ward - Strive or Covocaine and you will see what I mean. I can defenitely see why people would love them.

[@hangover4833]

@@dnd6379 i run it through vali 2 and modi multibit. I know hd6xx has cleaner bass, but i don't mind a bit of bloatiness in exchange for more bass extension and quantity. The main thing that sells for me is the immersive soundstage of the he4xx. In terms of width (how wide the space sounds), i find it to be about the same as hd6xx. But when it comes to th depth (Z-axis), the he-4xx blows hd6xx out of the water. Listening to he4xx feels like you're in the room with live performance. Hd6xx sounds flat with singers whispering to your ears. People have different tastes. For my preference, i like the fun sounding and immersive experience of he4xx. I would probably only gonna use HD6xx for EDM music and songs with mainly vocals. Like you said, maybe better dac will bring more subbass to the hd6xx. But i doubt it makes much of a difference. Probably won't be able to hear much improvement with just listening casually. Probably need to criticality listening to hear the improvement. To me, that's not enough.

[@dnd6379]

@@hangover4833 Hmm I guess this is where we differ on this. I find the he4xx a bit bloated compared to hd 650 and not as detailed and not as full sounding as sennheisers. I also wouldn't say hd 650 are missing in the bass region, they go as low but other headphones have more bass (not going lower) and that's the difference. I used to love bassy stuff but in a few years of testing a bunch of headphones and having different amps I saw that the HD 650 is by far the best, specially in terms of sound reproduction. If you want bass you should just get a subwoofer and speakers if that is viable.

[@DamienRamirez]

HD6XX is the only headphone i've owned that was a distortion cannon. Tried it on the GSX1000 so underpowered it wasnt great but worked (3.5mm), The Element low & high gain (low, med volumes) distortion king (6.3mm), Jotunhiem = distortion (6.3mm), Jotunhiem Balanced...... It worked fine. I should point out that i was listening to Metal. The Hd660s same sources no issues, HD600 same sources no issues. (ath-ad2000x, 1000x & K712 pro no issues). Ended up swapping the cable from massdrop HD6XX (3.5mm with 6.3mm adaptor) to Sennheiser HD650 cable (Ends in 6.3mm) & probliem solved. Turns out it was the adaptor causing issues. But to be honest even with it working fine now i don't really like it in general.

[@agondistortion]

Obviously Josh is little biased against Akg , its clearly he has a thing for Sennheiser , check the older videos and tell me how manny reviews he has for Sennheiser and how manny for Akg , just saying , its not a bad thing its just his preference and its ok .

[@billwiley7216]

I do like that he uses the Sennheiser 6xx as a reference point when comparing other headphones. The Sennheiser 6 series sound signature is a very old and long term design that because of this more people will be able to relate to what he is comparing too as so many people have owned and/or are familiar with how the Senns sound.

[@natevirtual]

if you look at the thumbnail for a millisecond, the two headphones side by side look like a Tron motorcycle...

[@Antoniskts]

Where is the Audeze Mobius review?

[@JoshuaValour]

Antonis Kts it’s on it’s way. Next week most likely.

[@KuroiPK]

So when you listen to vocals more the 6XX is right for you and if you prefer instrumental music the K7XX is right for you. Also you should mention that it is probably impractical for console gaming

[@davidmason8212]

I hate wide headphones For me the imaging is the most important thing it the headphone