JOVIAL DECEPTION COMPLETE GUIDE | The first Herrscher of Part 2 | Honkai Impact 3rd

[@MarisaHonkai]

Big mistake at 15:07 and 16:54. Dont bring Sena in before boss spawns. Sena needs to be on standby to consume sp to activate the buff. And this sp consumption is only activated when battle starts, on SO activation, and after SO ends. If Sena is on the field before boss spawns, you miss the first sp consumption.

[@harcray830]

So the correct way to do it is to just wait until the boss spawns to switch senadina in? or you just dont switch to senadina at all?

[@MarisaHonkai]

@@harcray830 yes wait for boss spawn. After that it doesnt matter because sena is always offield during SO and after SO end

[@MarisaHonkai]

Oh ye, since 7.5, a new term is used for [Outside Stellar Outburst] - Astral Charging state: AR is activated, but not in Stellar Outburst - When AR is not activated: When Part 1 valk is the leader - Outside Stellar Outburst state: Applies to all valks: P1 and P2 valks

[@secromole2]

You mentioned SS dream seeker. How to? 15:11

[@MarisaHonkai]

@@secromole2 You will get one upgrade in 7.7

[@joaocarlosii2188]

Lestsgoooooo babyyyyy​@@MarisaHonkai

[@yasashii_koe]

I think without a team of Lantern + Senadina, you can sometimes miss crits on Songque if you don't have Serapeum, leading to more retries. This is of course fixed if you have Serapeum so that's one thing you could potentially consider. Of course, I'm merely talking about Nirvana, for Red Lotus and below it's completely irrelevant until disturbance gets higher.

[@adrenaline8100]

​@@Fioraseaveygo for lantern, sena songque and coralie work too

[@nerotv836]

Don’t forget that if we switch to Sena, we can only retain her buff when switching after the enemy has appeared, AFAIK. Hoyo moment.

[@SilverSaber012]

what was that buff again? i only know that before 7.5 it was gone if you switch permanently

[@cortesyes]

Is there any source for this?

[@MarisaHonkai]

holy heck yeah I totally didnt realize this part

[@MarisaHonkai]

​@@cortesyes It's not a bug or hidden mechanic. It's just that Sena needs to be on standby to consume sp to activate the buff. And this sp consumption is only activated when battle starts, on SO activation, and after SO ends. If Sena is on the field before boss spawns, you miss the first sp consumption.

[@cortesyes]

@@MarisaHonkai So I’m still better off not switching sena in during the rotation even after the change basically?

[@Ricemachinex]

As for someone who hovers between redlotus and sometimes retains Nirvana its been really hard to pull for Serapeum since i got lucky with pulls on JD but I will stay strong for Teri and vita (copium)! Appreciate the guide as always, old player or new reading is too hard and didnt realize that her combo atk did the critical point mechanic 😂

[@rogerweng1150]

Ye, pls don’t pull for sera if u are hovering pls. As a top nirvana player, u NEED ss rank sera in some situations to rank up or retain with teams. If u don’t, u can get unlucky with a lot of top players in ur bracket and lose even with sera.

[@momjeanwhore7419]

@@rogerweng1150would pulling for sera or songque astral op be better all around for someone hovering?

[@Sskysnake]

It's so nice to see guides for honkai that explain in depth the mechanics

[@mikoajbaszczyszyn4568]

1:20 - lol, a pretty funny strat. Seems worth learning though. She's already pretty easy to play, and quite fun. Naturally, I've got the SO animation on, I really like it, and not even for horni reasons. The most helpful part of the guide for me was lineup and how to play her in a team. I skipped Lantern because I wanted Songque, so I wasn't sure who to put her with aside from Thelema, and I didn't want to pull for Sera. Also, it's good your guide points out you get more stacks after triggering Rondo. The in-game tutorial tells you to start with that but doesn't tell you *why* you should do that, so unless you notice it yourself, you might start with a 6 basic attack series. I also think this is the biggest general power multiplier for a weapon we've had in Part 2? The base damage and multipliers are much greater than the forgeable weapon, and the double meter is huge QoL. I'm pretty happy with it though, since I got insanely lucky and got it on my first pull, though I still had to do a 10-pull to get 2 stigmata for the full set, I'm just lacking cubes to fully max the last one xd

[@keepcalmme2438]

After knowing how broken she is, I'm so happy I got her in 10 pulls.

[@cnydo]

thank you marisa, awesome guide as always

[@RockOrso2]

Got Herrscher of Cake within pity, I fortunately got away with 2.5 difficulty in ER even on S rank, but now I'll try the hop stack strat for faster runs since that's the main issue I encountered all throughout the run outside of Stellar Outburst, plus I'm no Redlotus hunter and personally don't like the other playable Shus personality-wise so Coralie joins Sardine and boots Helia out of my main Part 2 team since I also have Serapeum thinking that the Astral Operators could take both slots, but unfortunately either classic Songcake or Sera can join your slot in Langqiu.

[@saufinexious7556]

Watch full because want to see the her ER guide. But, this video actually helps me because I really clueless using Que. Thanks.

[@mimik2829]

Thanks for helping out newer players with these guides! ;3

[@monkeydluffy5054]

You always come through with awesome guide starting it off like that

[@CY-jd5sm]

Okay finally i understand for the stellar outburst phase what to do after 2 support summon before ultimate finishing. Another thing is I just don't get what her best support team: 1. Thelema + Lantern (recommended by MA for Epernay) 2. Lantern + Senadina (Huge crit rate buff, and her skill description say if she get elemental breach buff, she get physical damage buff iinm) 3. Thelema + Senadina I don't have Serapeum.

[@VaporwavesJK]

Depends, lantern is good for hitcount shield like Epernay and gives crit buff, thelema provides shield break for thick shields, sena can be used to quickly collect stardust shards on SD bosses, so just adjust based on enemy.

[@tankx2002]

I used to watch mainly for rotations and skill description but now that im a try hard that is trying for top 50 the comparison is really interesting

[@oofihavenousernameideas2451]

Man her animations are beautiful!!!! All the budget went here 🤣 I love her so much

[@CaosBolt]

now i need a PHD Master to understand this pt2 characters man... so confusing for me :(

[@TheKiller-wg7fi]

I got her just now at 85 pity, this girl was testing my nerves, so anyways I'll start grinding more for her weapon so thanks for this guide!!

[@Proxy606]

Looking at her ER gameplay just makes me realise that my songque simply sucks, and that’s why I can’t clear ;-;

[@colorlessguard]

i don’t mean this to be rude, but this is prob just a skill issue for you and has nothing to do with your Songque!! ER automatically adjusts her level + gear while in the gamemode so it’s just a matter of getting the right signets and learning the different playstyles she has in ER… lots of players are able to clear ER with f2p gear ! :)

[@Proxy606]

@@colorlessguard I’m kinda having affixes which have nothing to do with her I don’t have a good SD/trick staff affix and my stigma’s are source prism capped (WHY HOYO, 23 IMAGINARY)

[@realfyodorstan]

i need lantern so badly shes the only character im missing on p2 and shes one of the greatest supports for p2 ☹️

[@totemking8157]

She is literally my first pt2 5 star. Need an updated tier list soon

[@oofihavenousernameideas2451]

Mine too!!

[@riversilk]

2:41 switch that off mate... that's the main reason we pulled for her!

[@guidomista5738]

1:18 Welcome back Xiao I'm surprised to see you in HI3

[@Idk_My_Name]

I pulled 40 times on her focused supply and only managed to get almost 4 set of her stigs with no weapon im going to unolive myself

[@BaoPham2]

i am on the verge of quitting after getting the worst possible gacha luck on her

[@dramorian4486]

Lmao. Reminds of that time I lost 30k crystals trying to get HorB's B stigmata. Spent 13k on Songue: got her from first discounted ten pull with 90 on the counter and spent around 55 on weapon, got 2 stigmas from the first ten pull as well

[@dZ0dUd3R]

Part 2 gacha: "First time?"

[@SilverSaber012]

30k crystals and some tickets and she is full set now, Valk took me to 10-15 pity while Weapon and full set stigma came super early with 2 10 pulls!! (one of those were with weapon banner tickets, i just spend a 10 pull worth of crystals!) finally some good fking luck lmao

[@JhezCh]

Hi, I'm F2P and have a question for all the new content. I can't pull for any AstralOp, is worth trying to get ELFs yet? (Only got Kiana Kaslana) Or is the Dreamseeker good enough (for each team/element/weather)?

[@okularnik125]

No, just get ELFs from BP or spending events. As how ELFS go you just need Kiana ELF. Dreamseeker is worse than ELFs with Astral Ring but we wil get rank ups for Dreamseeker soon so it may change

[@JhezCh]

@@okularnik125 Yes, just from spending events. I wanted to get Elf Elysia and then Project Bunny, do you think is ok? Thanks for your reply.

[@evexcefgame]

Question about "Shadow Frame", does it need to be positioned near the enemy or it doesn't matter at all?

[@MarisaHonkai]

Doesnt matter

[@evexcefgame]

@@MarisaHonkai OMG. Thank you so much for this info. I was struggling to reposition myself during a run cause I thought the enemy should be surrounded by Shadow Frame

[@u.9607]

omg thank you!!

[@VaporwavesJK]

Oops im already 50 pulls deep into Sera bcs i skipped lantern, people really make it seem like if your not critting every hit your throwing, Although even with full kitted part 2 teams maintaining RL has been more difficult lately, im hoping sera will keep me in RL this patch 🙏

[@deadlygaming7324]

Returing to this game after a long time(last i played was 4th anniversary) is like giving yourself a brain tumour. I dont understand the hell is going on.

[@MarisaHonkai]

Im planning to post a part 2 team guide around patch 7.7 since Im assuming ppl will return around that time to prepare for art book. For now, you can pull Songque+weapon, or save for 7.8 cn anniversary patcg

[@Firefly1519]

me who wanted Serapeum so I had to pull this Songque too (without weapon) and now I don't know what she is doing and my biggest regret is skipping Lantern. she is great and I loved her in story (hoyoverse's bad that they didn't made Valkyrie Serapeum)

[@PitFighterPlus]

I just started my NA account over (played a long time ago and abandoned before I got anywhere) and got her, so I guess I'm running her with Prometheus and HRSentience till I can get some of her other supports p-p

[@yuuayakami5263]

Good guide :3

[@Noirs4kazuki]

how did bro perform 3!!! CHARGED ATTACKS HOW AT 11:40

[@valhein09]

Im so sad she refused to come early, i can’t pull her weapon

[@francesco8000]

I'm extremely confused about what is happening in the story (and a bit worried since it sounds like there is 0 stakes considering that MC can apparently try forever until she succeed like in Re:zero so no death matter) BUT the new valks are true bangers.

[@brynphillips9957]

I think it will make sense as we learn more. They mentioned a lot that they didn't really understand everything about the 'system' or its purpose and the Dreamseeker can't remember what their original goal was or 'what dream they were seeking'. Also God Sena said originally that all this was about saving Mars. I don't think these are just simple simulations. My personal suspicion is that the system is a cross between the Elysium Realm and Project Stigma. Basically a 'simulated space' to house real people.

[@brianna2352]

​@@brynphillips9957 ooh, good theory!

[@thedrunkengodofmondstadt]

Even if the samsara system nullifies death and enables to restart events there still might be some risks in the future because it's a giant quantum computer full of data and data can get changed/damaged/erased - if someone or something capable of that appears then the stakes will automatically rise

[@鐘葉]

Damn... Vita is coming in anniversary though, if i pull JD now means i have to pull for her weapon, ain't no way i have enough for Vita and her weapon even if i farm and skip 7.7

[@Mango-hx1ul]

amazing video as always, btw, does anyone have the song name?

[@athanh8888]

7:00 This means that as long as Sena is in the team regardless of position, Songque AO will be used, and the rest of the teams will use Sera, right? 🌪️

[@evexcefgame]

I think we need separate video for AstralOP? I remember seeing somewhere that SS Sera is better in elemental team than SS Songque.

[@crys3465]

The only position that really matters is the position 1, the Leader one. Always put the one who will be the DPS as the Leader. The other two positions are not that important. Just for convenience.

[@alexandermielke3526]

So if i understood it correctly, it doesn't really matter which part2 Valk to go for as a support? I only have Songque and am currently playing her with Helia and Coralie because i don't have anyone else. I guess I'll try to get Lantern in her rerun at the end of this patch then. Thanks for the detailed guide, i realized i've been playing her that efficiently so far.

[@MarisaHonkai]

As long as the valk has Shadow Star trait (means it can support Wheel of Destiny DPS), yes.

[@nhatleminh3111]

If I can only choose one of between songque and new teri, who do you think is the better choice?

[@rogerweng1150]

I assume s0 rank songque is already good enough if u didn’t have to consider it in the conclusions. I mean the rest of the buffs are just pure damage increases except for sss rank

[@MarisaHonkai]

For the average players, S0 is enough. As usual, full team S0 full gear is more important than ranks.

[@rogerweng1150]

@@MarisaHonkaiwhat ranks would u recommend for nirvana players?

[@MarisaHonkai]

Well even for nirvana t50, if you have sss sera and s2+ supports, even s0 JD has chance to get t50

[@yuuutsunoyuushou]

4:03 Why Sera astralop for Thelema, Lantern teams? Is she better than Songque astralop?

[@MarisaHonkai]

Yes Sera is basically stronger and better for WoDestiny teams

[@yuuutsunoyuushou]

@@MarisaHonkai Does it mean If I have all astralops I should prefer Sera for Thelema and Lantern in any case?

[@panduoba]

I have a good part 1 physical team (HoRb, Senti, Prome) and Senadina 4/4. Since they cover SD and physical, is it better to skip Songque, or should I still go for her? I really want Vita as well🧐

[@slaire6892]

I tried without weapon but it is absolute hell

[@MarisaHonkai]

Dont pull valk without weapon

[@slaire6892]

@@MarisaHonkai I do have the weapon but I just wanted a feel for the comparison. I watch the vids I know the priority!

[@cody6005]

I'm not a new player or anything so I'm kind of confused if I should pull for her or just hold on to crystals. I skipped Lantern but I do have Thelema and Senadina.

[@martindharmawan5567]

How does sera better than songque on jd support?

[@dabi5474]

Is she not playable without her weapon? I accidentally got it and I don't know what to do with it, but I hope even so it will be better than my HOV sss

[@kaisalkaissy9508]

Quick Question here guys do you thinke that we will see in the future a release for Dreamseeker Battlesuits.

[@nb.404]

What Should i do when I don't have Thale, Lantern and Sena? Cz I just comeback play HI3 yesterday 😅

[@thatrandomguy7944]

If i just started and i dont have a 3 astral ring team, should i just put songque with griseo and prometheus?

[@MarisaHonkai]

Coralie is free

[@thatrandomguy7944]

@MarisaHonkai Yeah but then i.d have only 2. Don't you need a full team for astral ring to function better? Like, i think 3 waves may be better than a lack luster golden mode

[@MarisaHonkai]

Its ok you can just use jd coralie for now. And slot in third slot later

[@AverageStarryDragon]

omg its lil que

[@takedown5680]

Hey guys I’m new to Honkai impact in pc (Mobile player) the keyholes are so confusing is that normal when you start?

[@reversal3628]

Yes. It's simple for me since I played game that has this setting before. Maybe you just change from phone to PCkeyboard but same game so need more time to get used to.

[@Tobi-ni4fo]

Gotta ask.does pull carry over next banner?cus on sonque banner it say that 24 for guaranteed sonque because I tried to pull for thelema(failed)

[@gilang26060]

The pity will carry over untill you get featured

[@Tobi-ni4fo]

@@gilang26060 uhh what do you mean featured?

[@okularnik125]

@@Tobi-ni4fo rate up, which is only one S rank on banner

[@mafuyu5112]

What do you think about using her with part 1 team if you don't have part 2 characters yet? Is she better than all the part 1 physical dps without astral ring effect? I'm trying to renew my physical team and replace Durandal. Please help.

[@secromole2]

Very effective against SD type is a big plus

[@VaporwavesJK]

I think CE griseo outshines JD on part 1 team but that's just for SD type, unsure about others

[@fallvairen3547]

I only have sena, and this songque. Should i use Horb As last teammate?

[@MarisaHonkai]

See Lineup section. Use Coralie

[@varlnova1103]

Hey marisa, i just want to ask. Does Songque worth it even without her weapon, or is it better if I save up for sleepy teri? I'm really broke because of her banner and my guarantee left 5.

[@MarisaHonkai]

No you want the weapon too

[@varlnova1103]

@@MarisaHonkai well that sucks. Guess I'll save for sleepy teri then.

[@nerotv836]

@varlnova1103 better save up for Songque rerun AND her weapon next patch tbh

[@Zach-zf1fd]

As a real f2p player here, i have all the part 2 valkryie except the weapon and all the stigmata was get from crafting(not had enough crystal to pull weapon banner). It still easy to clear ER or endgame content without their weapon. Well Im not a meta player either way. Just saying, it still fun to try and have fun with the new character.

[@pepgv3118]

welp coralie and Sena support it is i skipped 2 versions why??? burnout (btw if anyone sees this i have to ask can she act as a support for Sena too?)

[@arutoraifu1707]

any suggest on elysian realm for f2p, I cant afford the sign weapon and struggle with low damage in ER? Is it a necessary to use her sign weap for abstinence.. or am I simply just use the wrong buffs/signets for her?

[@Tobi-ni4fo]

Weapon is really important bro

[@gilang26060]

If you want to use her more do the non-stellar outburst build one (Summoning (main) - ambush (secondary) ) i try 2.5 without her signature is still doable

[@Ngawfah]

0:00 Peak intro

[@Defrilaww]

How to make the combo atk meter 6 frames?

[@MarisaHonkai]

5:14 have signature weapon

[@chubbyman2564]

ehm im a new player (day 1 in genshin, hsr, zzz) im a bit confused is she good? should i pull?

[@MarisaHonkai]

Shes good 👍 Read the conclusion part for brief info on her

[@chubbyman2564]

​@@MarisaHonkaiah thanks, i will try to get her as my first limited

[@aponiaveil4005]

nah but why cant i cast the combo atk three times

[@MarisaHonkai]

Only works in part 1 team

[@eliozyndias]

can someone help me regarding the hov boss? i tried to use thelema-sena-jd but I can barely defeat hov in phase 1 without her shield go back up again. Ive seen gameplays here and they always defeat hov in phase 1 before hov has her shield up again??? is this a skill issue?? bc ive followed their steps down to a T and I still can’t 😭😭😭😭

[@Hi-lu5vf]

do you have all the gears? any missing stigs or especially weapons can make a huge difference. so can the astral op since they are way more important than elves used to be. beyond that, dorm buffs and divine keys can make a small difference

[@eliozyndias]

@@Hi-lu5vf i have all gears at max level as well as sera and sonque, ig its down to divine keys and dorm buffs

[@Hi-lu5vf]

@@eliozyndias maybe also rotations as well? it could just be that sene + lantern rotations are more optimal for hov

[@eliozyndias]

@@Hi-lu5vf i also thought that but the gameplays i watched has jd as the third slot and thelema alwys deal huge damage before hov can recover her shield. im now thinking its my divine keys bc they’re not fully upgraded hahaha

[@harcray830]

She doesnt work in a Senadina main dps team?

[@MarisaHonkai]

No. She doesn’t have any skill related to resonance

[@harcray830]

@@MarisaHonkai Thank you, I'll keep using coralie + Thelema for now then (I had to skip lantern for songque)

[@ryuukirasekai9565]

​@@harcray830for Sena DPS, you need 1 more valk that provide 'anchor', and 1 valk to detonate them. You should change 1 of your support to Helia to provide 1 more 'anchor', since both Coralie and Thelema can only detonate them

[@harcray830]

@@ryuukirasekai9565 thank you as well for your answer, but i doubt my helia will be useful for her cuz i dont have her weapon lol

[@jeannezwedich6149]

Anniv when? Try saving for anniv

[@sfmnightmarebonnie4273]

CN anniversary is in 7.8. Global and SEA anniversary in March

[@brianna2352]

​@@sfmnightmarebonnie4273 they merged anniversary, it's the same now

[@Anonymous-lv1gv]

Herrsher of?

[@orangebear3665]

Momma milkers

[@saffle_]

Herrscher of feet

[@ShiraFuyu2022]

Mars' Senti

[@theguythatdoesstuff1004]

Shadows, probably

[@someone-uhh-somehow]

of Deception

[@Tube4life679]

It took to this patch to "sort of" understand this astral ring system. Not a real fan of it, also Sena and Thelma re-run when???

[@Veryhea]

Honkai impact FEET

[@13thdarkness3]

need to skip for her teri teri

[@13thdarkness3]

so you thing she will be good with the next teri teri

[@crys3465]

Sonque won't be able to be used as support for the new Theresa, but the new Theresa will be able to support Songque

[@waksligs4444]

2nd!

[@theSeventhDruid]

Less than 6k views for supposed end of arc hype valkyrie after 10 hours. Man, this game is so dead, this makes me sad

[@Noname-gm1hi]

If want to be top 5 in red lotus need Serapeum?

[@MarisaHonkai]

No lol