JOY ESCAPES THE CULT!! JOY ANNA DUGGAR WAKES UP, BELIEF SYSTEM SHATTERED BY JINGER & JILL'S BOOKS

[@julieannegarfield3108]

In their world, they had chaperones to protect them from their date, but they needed protection from their own brother in their home!

[@NatalieScanlon]

That's what I thought, who's protecting these kids at home? They must think because they have NO self control , that nobody does.

[@LM-qs6eq]

They have been taught boys/men have no self-control. Nike! What a bizarre teaching. I have to wonder if it is because JB has no self control, hence why there are 19 children. How awful for a woman to have to be pregnant 19+ times. I would have lost my mind.​@NatalieScanlon

[@Mickey-jn7hy]

And never got it, that is what is truly sad.

[@Cali_Lisa]

Ridiculous, huh?

[@taniaivetteseverino2964]

Dang, say that again!

[@jndenton1]

I’m older than the Duggar kids but young than the parents. I left IBLP in the early 2000’s. I can’t even begin to describe how difficult it is to escape the prison of fear that is your own thoughts when you are in any cult, including this one. Good for Joy.

[@canadianalien370]

I’m sorry you had to endure that. Hope you’re living your best life now!

[@Cali_Lisa]

And good for you!

[@TheForestCrone]

Grew up in an orthodox Mormon home. Some people argue that Mormonism isn't a cult, but either way my parents and community sure made it one lol. People don't understand that it's not like you suddenly see the light and you're completely free. Because you were taught (when your brain was forming) that doubting or thinking for yourself is such a threat, you have to overcome that before you can even start addressing the beliefs. Unwinding the conditioned thinking that was programmed into you from birth takes time, focused effort, therapy and support. It's taken me years and I still catch thinking patterns or assumptions or biases that are from childhood. I'm in my 50's. So I do hope everybody is patient and kind with the Duggar adult children, the Brown adult children, and the OG3. :)

[@UnPluggingThePlayer]

And yet there are reality vloggers that claim a cult, or a TLC show parenting isn't a reason to explain adult kids major problems (like the Brown guys self exit.) These people's lives are different than other mixed up families. They have very different emotional beliefs dynamics to sort out. Like you said, many never escape or know that it's not healthy. Good luck to you.

[@cynmann4584]

Mormonism is a cult. It may have been a hard process to leave but I hope you're living your best life now.

[@cocoboo411]

What is interesting here is that in the IBLP, women are regarded as weak. However, in the Duggar family, it’s the women that are escaping. They’re the strong ones.

[@pumpkinhead8593]

Well that's because the men don't have any reason to leave. This cult caters to them and makes them a god in their family. They got it made and will happily stay.

[@bflogal18]

True, but why would the men leave? They are taught to be overlords to their wives and children. Their wives wait on them hand and foot, never voice an opposing opinion and are “joyfully available “ at all times.

[@camcat26]

Is John David still a member? Abbie isn’t very IBLP, so I’ve wondered if they switched to a different conservative denomination

[@cherilynelia5448]

Why would the boys escape a cult that teaches them everything revolves around them and they deserve to control everything? They have the perfect situation (for a narcissist) if they stay in.

[@Lily_of_the_Forest]

Exactly. The men are mini-kings. Spoiled rotten! They ain’t leaving that!

[@cindysue5902]

What I notice is that Jinger, Jill and Joy Anna don't speak in the fundie woman's baby voice that Michelle does.

[@canadianalien370]

I remember that both Jill and Jinger did for awhile.

[@gottabme]

Thank goodness!!

[@layneyancey4619]

Yes you can really tell the difference. My voice changed completely when I deconstructed. My indoctrinated self was so cringe! So glad I talk like a normal person now!

[@lovefortruth3414]

I have a very traditional marriage, and yes. I submit to my husband. But I still have my sass, and if ever he were to ask me or tell me to do something that goes against God's word, I am to hold him to account, just as he holds me to account. And, a woman who knows her strength in the Lord, speaks like a woman, not like a child or baby. I'm so glad that those ladies broke from this brainwashing.

[@SusieQZee]

Jessa doesn’t speak with that demure voice either.

[@user-xh3yx4gz7b]

Joy Anna has so much potential away from this cult. She’s such a down to earth, real woman. She’s absolutely beautiful too! I hope she finds peace and freedom and discovers her own way

[@darcymoon2109]

I’ve always love Joy and her spirit.

[@germyw]

Beautiful? That’s a stretch. She’s cute enough.

[@rosiehippie]

@@germyw what a shallow comment

[@AngelaVEdwards]

I actually believe that Joy Anna is the prettiest of all the girls. And those girls are all very pretty too. But she’s got natural good looks even without makeup.

[@hockeygirl8506]

I'm glad Joy & Austin left the IBLP cult. I hope more of her siblings are freed. Thanks to her sisters who wrote their books❤

[@SweetPea6348]

They still go to the same church with her Parents.

[@judyp3053]

Isn't Austin's family still in the cult?

[@SweetPea6348]

Probably

[@julieannegarfield3108]

Great news! I just hope Jimbob doesnt guilt trip her and still tries to influence her choices. I'm loving the Duggar ladies finding emancipation ❤

[@joanfedora7414]

Isn't it funny that the males don't mind it...

[@jodiuhron1979]

@@joanfedora7414, some of the boys are also working for dear old dad. So, they’re actually more “trapped” than the girls. The girls potentially have the luck of husbands who may not make them believe in the same things as their upbringing. John David is married to Abbie, who is an RN and has also earned a pilot license herself. Under Jim Bob’s rules, she shouldn’t be doing that. It’ll be interesting to see what happens down the road with all these kids.

[@suebraga1955]

I just hope and pray that one day Jana is able to break free and get away from that prison of a home

[@JuliaShalomJordan]

I grew up IFB and it has genuinely messed me up for a long time. 🥴 I ran from religion and found a personal relationship with Jesus.

[@talia6442]

Same 🙋‍♀️

[@janethayes-anderson2683]

If you remember the youngest sister had to be 5 years old when Joshua did his first crime. To her. The parents didn't care and blamed them. To blame an innocent 5 year old they should be held accountable

[@Ainiewainy]

That youngest sister was Joy Anna, and she was indeed that young. It's beyond sad the parents never protected the girls.

[@Mary-t1f]

Jail!

[@wendyfincato2323]

Absolutely

[@andreakane3993]

Congratulations to JoyAnna for the courage to question life as you know it and seek truth and freedom.

[@innocentnemesis3519]

Very telling to me that Joy specifies reading Jinger’s book and talking to Jinger as the most enlightening. As a fellow family scapegoat, I feel really bad for how Jill’s story is always avoided.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

it's not that she's avoiding it, Jim Bob has poisoned them about Jill. Joy will wake up. it's also NOT safe for her to speak openly about Jill.

[@innocentnemesis3519]

@@WithoutACrystalBall …I don’t think my comment was contradictory to anything you replied with? That’s literally what being the scapegoat is lol.

[@morknmindy561]

I feel the same... I have no intention of reading Jingers book..it is just trading off one religion for another, BUT in Jills book, she is being true and basically just putting out there what her life was like in the family..from the molestation, to the control, to the theft of money she earned but was not being paid, at the hands of her father and so many other things. I found Jill to be open and honest..and I just hope she continues on with her professional therapy and free's herself even more.. There is so much more she can have in her life to make her whole and happy! I can't imagine a parent stealing from their child, and making them feel bad to be getting what they were entitled to, from the very beginning.. That money should have been in an account for each child from day 1, and collecting interest.. He had the audacity to say she owed for food and a place to live and clothes, etc... That was their choice to have all those kids and good parents would never say you owe this much for us raising you.. What a creep...This made me sick...

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

I wasn't coming at you. I was just adding insight.

[@sandyarnall80]

I loved Jill's book!

[@kristenbrett8103]

People give joy a hard time but she was very well spoken here with her words!

[@layneyancey4619]

She is growing up. Her prefrontal cortex is finally developed. She sounded very wise here.

[@joykoski7111]

I found that with Jill and Jinger as well. Suddenly they began speaking in a coherent way as opposed to the uneducated brainwashed way they used to speak. Its a shock for us because we only heard them within the confines of the show, which we know now was heavily monitored. Its nice to hear and it gives these girls more credibility.

[@JulieBme]

It’s been 34 years this summer since I went to an IBLP conference and listened to Bill Gothard. Glad I didn’t stick around for long!

[@Olga1983]

Jill's book is like Braveheart while Jinger's is more theology based. For those running away from this family and cult; Jinger's should be read first and absorbed and then when ready for harsh reality, read Jill's. Know how to stay strong together.

[@PatriotafVenise]

I have always thought she would EVENTUALLY leave the cult . Hope it’s true ☺️

[@cheyenneblack94]

Good job, Joy! Be free and happy dear! ❤

[@dawna-rae8722]

I appreciate the work you do. How you expose those involved in polygamy. This post you did about Joy waking up really hit home for me. I left a cult and you are so right, what we go through to wake up and the unraveling of a belief system you were taught from the moment you are born, is one of the hardest things to overcome. I've been out of the cult I was raised in for 8 years and I am still triggered all the time. The shunning I face really plays minds games with my self worth. Keep posting and exposing

[@bethward7429]

Harder to believe Austin, with his father, would change!

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Austin was super rebellious as a teen - He used to go out drinking - believe it or not

[@melanieford2511]

@@WithoutACrystalBall I never knew Austin’s dad had been married twice. Does he have children from his 1st wife & does anybody from his 2nd family see them?

[@canadianalien370]

@@WithoutACrystalBall😳🫢

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

This is AMAZING for her! You go, girl!

[@Meg-pv3iw]

Those chaperones weren’t Just to protect them from impure thoughts (“temptation”)… they were also to protect them from thinking freely!

[@mesquitemagic]

I'm so gad Joy Anna is waking up. Now if someone could get through to Jana.

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

Poor Jana.

[@melanieford2511]

Also, Jessa!

[@LX-kt90rx]

I feel like maybe Jana stays to protect her younger siblings. I don’t know that for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case.

[@skyelynnae]

@@melanieford2511 I don't think jessa still follows iblp

[@hessajones]

And let's not forget she had a late term miscarriage or stillbirth just a few years ago....that is so hard, and the grief is life long, not to mention how young she is to have been pregnant 4 times and have 3 surviving children.

[@amandap8215]

No WAY! I hope she is successful and supported by genuine and good people now that she's left. And I hope she gets her GED and broadens her horizons.

[@elizabethbesco4758]

Prayerful Jana follows her sisters.

[@feverishpinkmama]

@@elizabethbesco4758 good luck

[@christina.kleman]

I also hope that she sends Gideon to an actual school! I would be floored if she doesn’t homeschool her kids.

[@MurielMoore-c4v]

That GED is so important for her. It will allow her to take college courses and I think Joy will do that as will Jill IMHO

[@JeniJustJeni]

I'm so happy for the girls as they get free!

[@kendallbrooke173]

I can remember watching them grow up on tv right alongside me and I’m almost 30 in a few months. I remember thinking how GREAT this family was and it made me want to be like them. Now looking back over everything and I see all the red flags. It makes me so proud to watch the Duggar women come into their own. I’m hoping Joy will one day write her own book because I’d love to hear what she thinks.

[@NatalieScanlon]

I hope she stays safe!!!!

[@mindlesslyhannah]

Currently leaving Mormonism. Having a faith crisis was completely earth shattering. I am so grateful to be coming to the other side of it all finally. I never knew I could live life in such a carefree and happy way 🤍

[@mrsjuhasz480]

Good luck through your healing journey❤️❤️

[@laurenmay2098]

I watched a lot of Mormon stories channel, they are safe for all of us.

[@GrannyLinn]

Very encouraging. It IS a process, and for me it was a very long one.

[@janethayes-anderson2683]

Loved both Jinger and Jill's books. They are trying to help not just their sisters but others out there

[@keeperofsecrets88]

I love this soooooo much! Especially since it seems pretty obvious that Jim Bob picked Austin because he thought this wouldn't happen. That he wanted a more strict IBLP man after Derek & Jeremy & now he is opening his eyes! I love that they are doing this together, I think it will show others in the cult that you can get out & stay together & build an even happier life 💖

[@kikomartin-pr]

Finding out in 2017 that I was stolen as a baby rocked my world. I found that out about 6 months after my children’s mother walked out on us so it was a hard year for sure. It rocked my world. I have focused on my kids and we’re doing good. DNA is now in the registry. We will see what happens.

[@SweetPea6348]

Goodluck finding your true family !!!

[@kikomartin-pr]

@@SweetPea6348 Thank you. That means so much to me. 🌹

[@bonitafriesenmitchell1848]

I hope so much she can get completely free and the help that will be needed to help her deconstruct

[@paddythetheatredog4384]

We all at some point question our upbringing, for some it’s a revelation that can totally change your perspective on things. That personal growth is to be so admired. It was for me and my life is not comparable to the way Joy was raised. All I can say is at 50 I’m still processing so I’m sure this will be a long road for her and Austin and I wish them both a happier and lighter path forward. I really hope the therapist she’s seeing is one that understands postpartum depression because my experience is many people in general have no idea and belittle it so easily.

[@heatherhumphrey3222]

I hope Joy Anna & all the IBLP kids do the research & decide what works best for them. That might be another religion, no religion or their own idea of God & what that means to their lives. Congratulations Joy Anna on developing your own beliefs and breaking free from the oppression that women in the IBLP suffer.

[@vbrooker1]

WOW! Good for Joy. I wish her all the best!

[@cherylmoorman5012]

Wow!! Go Joy!! I am so glad for her!!❤

[@courtneyrosebowman4200]

My way out of the IFB was after my 1st husband passed away. I was 30 and the church turned their back on me, as if it was my fault he took his life. That was my eye-opening/foundation-crumbling moment.

[@tammyfolkerts9002]

So sorry

[@catherinekeller7938]

Joy Anna looks sooooo tired, exhausted, sleep deprived etc. I know that look!

[@karensamuels390]

Quit the baby making, Joy and hubby!!!

[@layneyancey4619]

Same!!!

[@mmoore3743]

@@karensamuels390They have 3 children, not 30. Some people love and want children and no self supporting adults should be told to stop.

[@SweetPea6348]

That's why she has post partom depression !! I don't think she wants a lot of kids.. !! If I were her I would listen to my body and not have anymore for awhile. I thought that , That is why she moved out so fast after J.B. And Michele made her the boss over the kids after Jinger and Jill left !!!!! She definitely needs some rest !!!

[@irma1313mimi]

That’s awesome Joy Anna’s growing 🎉🎉🎉 her sister planted a seed and it’s growing 👏🏽👏🏽 Katie Joy just want to say thank you for doing all the groundwork to bring us these stories ❤❤❤

[@barb-jm7990]

Just because Bill Gothard could not control himself without a chaperone doesn't mean others can't control themselves. We are not living in the 1800s when chaperones were common. I'm glad Joy is really thinking and making decisions for herself.

[@SweetPea6348]

Even when they are married,, It seems like they are chaperone by their siblings. Even Jana. They are Bever Ever alone !! When Austin goes out of town her sisters have to come and stay with her !! Its ridiculous !!

[@gailmiler2797]

How scary to think that Josh will only be in his early 40s when released, still capable of doing a lot of harm. I thought of Marilyn van Derbur's (former Miss America) memoir where she describes her father just going on and on with what he was doing, I know better than to go into detail- and how the only thing that stopped him was having a heart attack at age 75.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

He will be in his mid 40s & on supervised release until his mid 60s

[@gailmiler2797]

@@WithoutACrystalBall I was wondering if the probation might be revoked early if he doesn't APPEAR (operative word) to be doing anything wrong. I know that has sometimes happened with other people.

[@romaolberding7288]

Don't we assume that the "supervisor" will be Anna who sees Josh as the victim and who gushed about how Josh loved to change his baby's diapers. She will look the other way while he commits other atrocities. Am i wrong about this?​@WithoutACrystalBall

[@romaolberding7288]

​@@WithoutACrystalBallSorry...I messed up. I was trying to reply to you with my comment below

[@miriamporterfield852]

I really think that what the IBLP called rebellion, was actually discernment that God put there to realize something wasn't right about the way she was being raised. Glad to hear about this change.

[@USA1492]

Wow!!!! This is great news!

[@andreanairvin7724]

I'm glad to hear her even questioning the beliefs she grew up in, that is a huge step. Joy and Austin will have a long way to go and hopefully they continue to grow and develope their own beliefs the keep themselves and their kids safe and happy.

[@ruthh7343]

I started deconstructing over 50 years ago. It’s been quite the interesting journey. Having come out of a fundamentalist Pentecostal background questions were seen as evil but I had so many questions that needed to be answered. The spiritual rollercoaster of my life has been a blessing as I have slowly found the ability to live in uncertainty while also remaining rock solid in my faith in Papa/Jesus/Holy Spirit. I’m glad questions indicate trust in Spirit.

[@pagemeredith4532]

I think this is great because she's starting to think for herself and really examine her true beliefs. Way to go, Joy Anna! 😊

[@mariavita7536]

I’m so happy for JoyAnna. She’s waking up and realizing that how she was brought up was wrong. Thanks to Jill’s book which she has said changed her world. I’m also happy for Jill because this is what she wanted to do. Write a book that would help her brothers and sisters. I pray more of them will change as well.

[@thrivingexjw2061]

This is good news.. it shows she is waking up. It’s going to be a very SLOW process. It will turn her world upside down !! When I talk to cult members I always tell them to be prepared for it to rock their world!! When I woke up, just when I thought I had worked through everything, ANOTHER thing popped up.. I thought it was never ending. I’m so glad she has her sisters for support & that Austin is on the same path!! 👍🏼👏🏼

[@gottabme]

It does seem to go on and on and on. Then, one day, you realize, "I haven't thought about that in SOO long! Hmmm, seems I'm kinda over it!" It's a glorious day!

[@thrivingexjw2061]

@@gottabme - Exactly 💯

[@emerald637]

Jill's book is powerfully based on TRUTH. The TRUTH can be offensive, but it is the only thing that can set us free from well-crafted lies and deceptions. I too am concerned that Jinger went from one cult and then immediately jumped into yet, another cult under the dangerous teachings of John MacArthur. Jill is far more alert and careful than Jinger is at this point. I hope Joy-Anna will be wise and discerning as she moves forward.

[@sallymarkay3210]

I am beyond happy for Joy and Austin. I hope they continue on this journey of questioning all they were taught to believe, which was false. The awakening will for sure take a long time, but small steps lead to leaps and bounds.

[@Dieppaloveplants]

Im Glad she letting her kids be normal kids

[@joanhurt884]

I have heard her mention organized sports as a possibility for her kids. The kids and Joy have also been taking swimming lessons. Joy said some of her sisters and one brother were also taking swimming lessons. Apparently they never learned as children.

[@gottabme]

They probably couldn't swim, because of all the freaking clothes they were forced to wear!

[@feverishpinkmama]

Yeah, they probably wouldn’t let them in the swimming pool to swim with clothes on for swimming lessons

[@justd4377]

No wonder the grandmother drowned in the pool!

[@Miapetdragon69]

I find it so strange that the parents were so worried about what was going on outside of the house with dating and such, that they neglected to chaperone what was going on inside the house! And it really doesn't help when you have Jim Bob Duggar saying to the entire world that my wife and I are always trying for children... That in itself is psychologically damaging especially if you're one of their kids... Not allowed in the room until after a certain time in the morning... That be because Michelle was absolutely exhausted? That's just wondering I don't know.

[@sallyjohnson]

I think with everything she and her sisters have gone through especially with the "A" of Josh, its nice to see her, Jinger, and Jill navigate how they want to live their life. It can't be easy having that much control over you as a child. I say congrats to her for being in control and handling it the way she has.

[@t-and-p]

Seeing Joy-Anna's reaction to Jinger's book has changed my perspective on that book and, particularly, what she was trying to accomplish with it. It's easy to write it off, like I did initially, as wishy-washy and not going far enough - but I realise now that I felt that way because I wasn't the target audience. It's important to remember that, like Katie said, having everything you've ever believed questioned can be earth-shattering, so it needs to be done gently and empathetically, at a comfortable pace. As much as many of us want to rush in and free these young people (especially the girls) from this cult, Rome wasn't built in a day. It takes time to get away from belief systems like the IBLP, and Jinger's book probably feels like a welcoming and friendly first step to those who need it. I see that now and applaud Jinger for realising it was needed (as Joy-Anna's reaction proves) and providing it in an accessible way 💕 Writing it in such a way that her parents wouldn't ostracise her for it has probably helped to keep it accessible to those who need it. Well played, Jinger 👍💖

[@cateb5920]

We need to remember that Joy was so very young when she was molested by Josh on multiple occasions. Losing your innocence at such a young age is very difficult to live with. Particularly when the perpetrator was an older brother who should have been protecting her. Trust me, kids never really get over this.

[@MurielMoore-c4v]

I’m 80…I can’t still…

[@cateb5920]

@@MurielMoore-c4v sending you love xo

[@maggienary5897]

And Joy didn’t find out the truth about what happened to her until Josh’s trial. That’s the part that stuck out to me. They discovered that there was a lot more than she knew about. That’s earth shattering.

[@melindac3368]

@cateb5920 You're right. You never get "over it."

[@lisagrimes2018]

I’m so glad all of these kids are escaping the IBLP!

[@bettebasil4341]

Yet their modest dress did not protect them from their brother. How about the parents speaking on that one? I have so much pent-up anger on this family. I could go on this for days but for now Josh, I can’t even talk.

[@jennytillery6408]

Glory be! That's a prayer answered! Joy has been through the ringer with the trial, learning about the abuse she went through and miscarriages. I am overjoyed!

[@stuckinmopro8533]

Thank goodness another child is getting away but please get Jana out of there while she still has a chance to live her life!

[@mariaharris3022]

Good for her! The blinders are off and the adult women are seeing the toxicity of their life and their cult of a church. I'm sure Dad is blowing a gasket.

[@117Pinkyflower]

You can tell with Joy Anna at least something is not right in her life and it’s not postpartum depression. She definitely is one that shows her pain from the outside in!

[@Ninjamod76]

Every time one of these girls break free…… my heart swells with joy ❤❤❤❤❤

[@cherylcarroll7916]

Finally! Good for you! Go forth & discover the wonderful truths!

[@cathyspiller7154]

But SHE is in controll! She says what where and when. She's making her own decisions because it's her life. Live it kid you've got the world at your feet! Dance!

[@debanderson7734]

Literally, dance!! You can listen to any music and dance with your children!!

[@carriemaxwell417]

FYI- Jana just posted on Instagram today for the first time since March 2022. I think she is doing damage control for Jim-Bob.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

hard to know. the post is so strange though

[@canadianalien370]

What did she post?

[@autumnrose1998]

Yuppppp I posted the same thing in my Fundie snarking group on FB. Jessa is back with her stupid saying and James has been spam posting stories with the Bates. JB you ain't slick we see you

[@cooperfreckles]

She is actually the mother of 4. She lost a baby girl at 20 something weeks. That baby girl counts. Glad to see they are all starting to put their thinking caps on.

[@prevosfr]

Michelle and Jim Bob had 1 assignment in their life and failed miserably, period, end of sentence.

[@DawnaOlson]

That breakthrough💡 that we hope for the cult-engrained that eventually leads to 'deconstruction', getting there may take little time, may take lots time - the important thing is seeing that light❣️

[@phaniePaq]

Good for them!!!! Im surprised that Austin is on board and supporting this growth. Glad that the sisters have each other as they transition through this

[@karenprice4163]

Gothard, a man who was not married and had no children was not the man who should have been the “voice” to be followed. Ridiculous!

[@cathykrueger4899]

Gothard is the Donald Trump of Christianity, the very antithesis of a Christ like life.

[@Mary-t1f]

Oh, I bet that slime has a bunch of children

[@cynmann4584]

I was shocked go learn about him in Shiny, Happy People. Talk about a horror show.

[@RebeccaLunsford-qe2kt]

So happy Joy has woken up and making steps to get out. Also happy her and Austin are choosing a different direction in raising their children. With her being inspired by Jinger hopefully Joy's journey will help the younger girls get out too. I wish her the best.

[@christinaanderson2167]

Happy for them

[@Search4Facts]

Joyanna looks exhausted. Your journey will be a slow process girl. Hubby on board is a solid go. Thank you Katie💯 👍

[@irma1313mimi]

I actually went through something like this, on a smaller scale there were only 5 of us, things like shorts tank tops or going to the movies were evil it got that way little by little but when he started saying his right hand blessed whatever he touched I knew I had to leave! Ended up going to my 18 year old sister whom had a 4 year old at the time and well that was a whole other shit show Through that I never gave up my faith in God!!! I think Joy Anna will continue to seek answers, we’ll never stop learning 😊😊😊

[@diannamacdonald3716]

Dollars to donuts I bet Jim Bob will say her PPD is causing her to question her IBLP upbringing. Of course, then he’d have to admit PPD is real…

[@gottabme]

No, no... it's Satan! The Devil made her do it! 🙄

[@baddie1shoe]

She seems like a really good person. There is something so precious about her face and smile. :) Good luck to her on her healing journey.

[@kdub6800]

Glad to see them at least beginning to question. Her favorite song is "hymn of heaven" so...long road ahead.

[@dannizinn6477]

So happy for Joy for getting on this route and continuing to do so. At the same time, I would like to see Joy eventually go onto read Jill's book. She deserves to have a healthier better life.

[@zebrawarriorprincess1748]

I think one of the saddest parts is once they break free of a cult like religion they tend to gravitate towards another cult/fringe religion. I’m curious to see where these adults end up in their religious journey. Love your channel, Katie sending lots of love from Canada. 🇨🇦

[@DisWldFrk90]

Now that I think about it, while Jinger's book did look too beating around the bush to us outsiders, the way she wrote it was probably in a very effective way to reach insiders like Joy Anna. As much as we'd like to shake them and say "You're in a cult!" that simply doesn't work on most people. To deconstruct them from their cult; it often has to be done very gently and very slowly. Jinger's book is probably a good example of what people in this cult need to hear in order to start deconstructing from it.

[@AngelaVEdwards]

I completely agree with Joy Anna about the dating thing and I’ve been saying it for some time. You teach your children to do what is right but then you’re not going to trust them to do it? What kind of nonsense is that?

[@christinecrowley2133]

Stepping away, it's one step at a time first you walk then you run. The more you know the better you see and do.

[@sheljc8849]

Yay Joy. Happy that she and Austin will give their children space.

[@jlee2133]

Good for her! I wish her the best in her journey!

[@MsRose00]

I wish someone had asked the question about education. Will they now promote education with their children and encourage college…something none of them were ever encouraged to do.

[@paddythetheatredog4384]

Jill is, her boys go to actual schools and I think she’s been getting an education too. I’d like to see Joy do the same as having little ones around whilst trying to teach older ones can’t be easy. I definitely benefited from having one at school and the other being new born, it was good for me to have breather.

[@elizabethmesora2558]

I always wondered about the chaperone thing. If your children are deemed by you to be old enough to marry and can’t be trusted to make their own decisions, something is wrong. Jim Bob is a control freak and seems to be obsessed with sex. Also teaching girls that it is the girls fault if a young man acts inappropriately has always left me wondering. Do these young men have no self control.? Each one of us is responsible for our own behavior

[@alwaysstraitup]

Most people learn Critical Thinking in High School and College. One of my Organizational Leadership classes taught us classmates all about critical thinking. It started with Socrates and the Socratic method. Question everything.

[@christiejensen1606]

Congratulations Joy Anna

[@marypettinari1041]

Thank You for getting back to the Duggars. I wish you would do more videos about them. I want to know if the younger girls are ok and if they will be able to escape. I care more about the females and what's happening with them regarding independence.

[@tamaraliscia3408]

At 72 amd like many, my world has been rocked a few times and I'm still here. Everything I've gone through or been put through, is still in my mind and I'm better than just okay. Joyanna wiil be, as they say, "fine". Though she'll never lose the memories of years and moments that traumatized her, and will always carry scars, I believe she will learn to keep them in their place, in time. I remember watching the Duggar shows years ago. I remember seeing Joyanna and Austin working together on a house they were renovating and thinking how at ease they were with esch other and happy to spend time together. She was in her Birkenstocks and right in there working with Austin. Then they renovated and lived in a trailer and were still happy. Over time I learned about Austin's background. Though I can't be specific, there was something different, something missing in Austin that screamed "lockstep cult member" in the Duggar boys and Jimbob. When Katie posted the video about Joyanna seeking medical care, and counselor for post partum depression, knowing her childhood, I still don't believe she would have sought help unless Austin supported her. And, that means he was never a good cult follower even though he was raised in it. I think Joyanna and Austin are very close and have a good marriage. They will get through the first times, and keeping going. They both have support from Ginger and probably Jeremy. Jill's book was maybe too blunt, at this time, for Joyanna; that doesn't mean she hasn't talked to her, and will never read her book. Joyanna needs to take all the time she wants and I think she will. She may get push back from her parents or some siblings. Even though she's just started, she knows she's gone too far to turn around.

[@catherinekeller7938]

That explains all the trips Joy and Austin made to L.A. I guess Jinger and Jessa are no longer.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

from my understanding, Jessa is just really loyal to her parents and afraid to rock the boat

[@kelb6073]

@@WithoutACrystalBall has Jessa's husband ever gotten a job? That might be why they are afraid to leave. The parents pay for their house and kids.

[@autumnrose1998]

​@@kelb6073 If she and Ben could quit being joyfully available for a reasonable period of time then maybe he body would have a chance to recover and hormones would return to normal and she could think clearly and realize she doesn't need 10 billion kids

[@brewerrkjb]

I thought it was inevitable that Joy & Austin would leave the Cult after sitting through the trial, listening to what Josh did to her & her sisters and also hearing Jim-Bob making an arse of himself trying to deny that it ever happened with his "It was so long ago I don't remember" B.S. testimony. I tell you it was a good thing that Josh was in custody & Austin couldn't get his hands on him because if he could've, he likely would've beaten Josh to a pulp, he looked so angry!!! Staying with a cult that not only allowed that kind of s*** to go on wouldve been really hypocritical.

[@FrogWhizzer]

I would so like to hear what all these Duggar girls spouses have to say about their lovely brother in law!

[@6kidslater]

Switching from the IBLP to Reformed Theology isn’t as big of a jump as you may be thinking it is.

[@gottabme]

Baby steps are good, as long as they continue, imo. It would be extremely difficult and unusual, for someone to deconstruct, even a young lifetime, of indoctrination in one fell swoop. Being taught not to think or ask questions, just OBEY, is something that takes MANY years of re-learning. I have a lot of experience with that.

[@candiceduncan6394]

This is a great video. The way my husband and view it, religion does not mean you have to follow their doctrines to have a relationship with God and Jesus. Instead we are building that relationship directly. I admire what these Duggar girls are doing for themselves. It truly is an individual choice and not something that someone can decide for someone else.

[@karenc8773]

Its interesting that none of the brothers are moving away. Most likely because they work in the family businesses and are unemployable in the real.world(?)

[@SweetPea6348]

JoyAnna Still Goes to Her Parents Church !! She still goes to her parents house 3 days a week.

[@pandabear7177]

I think it takes time to see who you are and who you want to be and how to get there. I hope she gets her answers and peace she needs.

[@bridgetdrummond1721]

I am so happy that Joy Anna is breaking from the cult. I think this explains some of her depression. She was feeling repressed, but now is breaking free. However, I am still puzzled why she is giving Jinger most of the credit for awakening her. It still seems like Jill is being shaded.