Jinger Duggar Vuolo: Disentangling Faith from Fear

Jinger Duggar Vuolo (19 Kids and Counting , author of Becoming Free Indeed ) opens up about the evolution of her views on Bill Gothard’s extreme religious teachings, how it feels to deal with her family’s struggles as someone in the public eye, and her anxiety as a result of trying to precisely follow religious principles. She discusses the positives of her upbringing, like her community of siblings, as well as the harmful dynamics she witnessed often at the expense of women. Jinger recalls the origins of her disordered eating and how her mom helped her through it, what forced her to finally challenge her beliefs, and her technical approach to disentangling her truth from the religious falsehoods she was taught to believe. Mayim breaks down religious obsessive compulsive disorder and shares her pop culture recommendations with Jinger. They discuss why Jinger still wants to be in the public eye, how she feels about her parents now, and the value of privacy after a life of being observed. Jinger considers how her relationship with a higher power and how her views on sex and a woman’s role in a relationship have shifted.
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[@conundrum9934]

This is the most respectful, non judgmental interview of Jinger Vuolo I have watched. I appreciate your eloquence and the respectful manner you addressed her family situations without shaming her. She did nothing wrong; no control over the actions of her family and doesn’t deserve some of the tactless questions she has been put on the spot to answer. I’m a new subscriber because of this interview.

[@8656737s]

Yes ❤

[@TroyCanDance]

Same. Just subscribed for the same reason. Jinger sounded so restrained and scripted in all her other interviews. Almost robotic. But Mayim was able to draw so much more of the real thoughts and personality of Jinger. Mayim is a very gifted interviewer. I’m looking forward to hearing more interviews.

[@janeburns6405]

Definitely !

[@kimo2021]

Yes!! I just came to add a comment but you and @TroyCanDance just said it perfectly! I’ve heard many, many of Jinger’s interviews. I really like her and Jeremy, but sometimes she seems stiff and scripted. Mayim did such a great job relating to her and showing her such compassion. I loved what she was able to draw out of Jinger that no one else has done! The question about sex was awesome because it was so honestly asked-not in a way that was looking to illicit an answer that could be used against her at some point. As a Christian, I’m often concerned that non-Christians are looking for a “gotcha” moment when they interview a Christian. Thank you, Mayim, for this great interview! I look forward to watching more of your content!

[@kimo2021]

Yes!! I just came to add a comment but you and @TroyCanDance just said it perfectly! I’ve heard many, many of Jinger’s interviews. I really like her and Jeremy, but sometimes she seems stiff and scripted. Mayim did such a great job relating to her and showing her such compassion. I loved what she was able to draw out of Jinger that no one else has done! The question about sex was awesome because it was so honestly asked-not in a way that was looking to illicit an answer that could be used against her at some point. As a Christian, I’m often concerned that non-Christians are looking for a “gotcha” moment when they interview a Christian. Thank you, Mayim, for this great interview! I look forward to watching more of your content!

[@haileek682]

Mayim Bialik & Jinger Duggar- the crossover I didn’t even know I needed! Great choice for a podcast guest! Amazing conversation, as always. ❤

[@MalloryNewcomb]

Absolutely! I love seeing Jinger get her intellectual groove on & I know this is gonna be awesome because Mayim asks deep questions but she also lets people just say what they think.

[@MissMeggarz142]

Agreed! I grew up Roman Catholic, so this was super interesting. I wanted to be a nun until I was 15. My priest was removed due to being gay. That shattered my view of "God is Love". He was a brilliant man --- he performed a Jewish sedar AND a Kwanzaa celebration. He wanted to open our eyes to how others celebrated God and his people. He did this before our Confirmation. This education helped me solidified the practicing of my faith. When I lost him, I felt so lost. I was also a lone wolf. The only other Catholic in school with me DID NOT want ANYONE to know she was Catholic. That was fun 😒 However, I stuck it through and found how to love God. He showed me patience is a something you have to earn. He taught me to look at whole person and not divide them up based on my assumptions. He also taught me to not be hard on myself. Being a teen, that took a lot of extra work. I'm 38 now and I'm glad I did the work. My faith feels stronger now than ever due to personal circumstances. However, I feel proud that I didn't throw in the towel. My priest and I reconnected a few years ago. He became a Catholic missionary and found his fiance...another ex-priest. They work with AIDS and HIV infected children. I believe the children are in the safest hands with these two God lovin' fellows. In the end, we all received new, fulfilling beginnings that are lit with God's love.

[@haileek682]

@@MissMeggarz142 What a story! I enjoyed reading it, thanks for sharing!

[@cathyloureiro4085]

I would love to see a Jill Duggar interview once her book drops.

[@gloriaanderson8123]

@@MissMeggarz142. I also grew up Catholic and had a priest that gave us something to think about - who do you think that God will let into heaven first, the Christian who does good works so that he can get to heaven, or the atheist who does good works because he sees the need and needs to help. . This is the second of M.B's (sorry, but my spell check refuses to allow either of her names to be spelled correctly - I do not mean to be rude) podcasts that I have listened to, and I love both so much that I have subscribed to make sure that I don't miss any😊

[@tibbs4000]

It really spoke to me when Jinger said God meets us when we are broken, He doesn't wait until we are perfect. Truth.

[@beelzebabe5112]

In the last few months, my best friends and roommates have been helping me build my faith and encourage me to know Him and I have a running tally: every time Bestie Jenni (like Sister ___ but Bestie___ ) reminds me that God meets you where you are- there’s another tally 💛 thank you for helping me add to it 💛

[@KristinM626]

Jinger is someone I hadn’t even thought about wanting to see on MBB. Every time there’s a guest I hadn’t thought of, I find it’s a great episode.

[@krisfinley6706]

Same. But since it's Mayim's🥰 show and the Duggar family has been so controversial for years, I decided this is a must watch episode

[@betsylindsay8480]

Same here. The Kelly Clarkson episode was an eye opener for me.

[@jilldibartolomeo1353]

Me as well.

[@Imagin420377]

Please have Jill Duggar come on when her book comes out!

[@Shellbee7927]

Mayim is a great conversationalist hands down. This is the most genuine I’ve ever seen of Jinger. You did a great job. 😊

[@dijohns4018]

I was expecting to dislike this. But I don’t. It felt like kindness from both parties. Something this world desperately needs .

[@JayeEllis]

Right there with you. I've been putting off watching because I wasn't sure, but it was great.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

kindness from abused to abuser. but now that jinger is passing down the curse to her own children, she is an abuser too.

[@VelveteenRabbit77]

What curse???

[@JayeEllis]

@@VelveteenRabbit77Context clues point me to either abuse or religion. Take your pick.

[@Pat_Speaks]

Yes, this was what a “conversation” looks like.

[@MatthewVargas]

I love that Mayim has such a diverse set of guests who have a range of faith backgrounds. A lot of public figures in modern American society shy away from featuring/ discussing Christianity and I'm elated to see someone like Mayim give voice to somebody different from her. The world honestly needs more of this.

[@mesquitegirl2013]

❤️❤️❤️ yes

[@NorthwindPeace]

And a more mature version of Christianity than what we see these days

[@YouCanDoItKaren]

Jinger is so respectful of her family, even though there were many hurtles that she had to overcome. I believe her true faith in God, without the skewed, twisted interpretation of Bill Gothard's teaching surrounding her, has led her down a path of forgiveness. On a side note, Mayim is a great interviewer. Most of our "national news" anchors, could learn from Mayim Bialik.

[@MayimBialik]

Wowwwww, high praise!! Thank you so much!!! 🙌🔥

[@pamelaj498]

I agree! Mayim is one of the best out there for interviewing people. She asks more interesting questions than other interviewers do and there is an ease and sincerity to the conversation. Hands down my favourite interview of Jinger!

[@loislewis5229]

Another good interviewer is Andrew Gold from On The Edge. He’s a great listener and very compassionate.

[@basschica]

This is my first time seeing this channel and an interview by Mayim. I'm really enjoying the conversation and style.

[@basschica]

​@@loislewis5229he sounds familiar. I'll have to check out his videos!

[@ethereallioness]

I'm not a Christian but I used to watch 19 kids and counting with amazement and curiosity about her family. I'm so happy to see her finding her happiness. She has become a very beautiful, strong, smart woman💚

[@redmaren72]

It would be wonderful for you to also interview her sister, Jill Dillard. Her book recently came out and it would be so wonderful to hear her Speak her truth too.

[@daveshoemaker7137]

Jessa would be funny because she is such a bully! She always seems so full of herself! It's apparent she runs her marriage! Ben just follows her rules! He has it easy! He doesn't seem to do anything but hide out at his little church and dream about being a Christian rapper!

[@aprilrich807]

Are you sure it’s already out? Do you have it?

[@sheliamoore3388]

It would be nice to see her interview Jill. She could see the differences. Like how Jill can’t come to the big house unless her dad is there because he doesn’t want her influencing the younger kids. I think it’s interesting how Jinger mentioned that.

[@lh1473]

@@daveshoemaker7137Jessa’s husband Ben would never let her speak on this unfortunately 😢

[@shawnasings]

Her book comes out next month.

[@taras6578]

You and Jinger had such a great flow and conversation during the whole interview. I have never seen her be so open before in interviews. I’m glad you had her on. This is one of my favourite episodes. I love how you are not afraid to ask the questions of your guests and how open you are. You also need to have her sister Jill on.

[@candaceion9622]

100%

[@AuburnAlum1977]

I agree.

[@TziporaRaphaella]

Agree. I put off watching this episode (I’m a Jew who has a bit of a weird thing for snarking on but also genuinely being fascinated with Christian fundamentalism and particularly the Duggars and of course always enjoy Mayim and her show) because I was like meeeh, I truly wish Jinger and all of the Duggar kids the best but I’ve not thought too highly of some of the other interviews I’ve seen of her around her book and all. Not even a judgment specifically of her. It also just doesn’t appeal to me, a lot of the Christian stuff, but this interview was truly enjoyable to listen to. Gave me a few surprising insights into the Duggar family, and it’s the first time I’ve truly felt like wow, Jinger has come such a long way and great for her. Like not my business as a nosy member of the public to know anything about her she doesn’t want to share but it’s the most open and relaxed and natural I’ve seen her and that just feels nice to see. Also, since I’m at the end of the interview where Mayim was asking about privacy and what it feels like to be a public figure going through difficult times, and Jinger herself covered how much it means sometimes when she is able to help or inspire others who have been in cults or even worse situations- it’s just so nice to see public figures or famous people be real and relaxed and human. Really a fantastic interview and speaks so much to what a fantastic interviewer Mayim is as well, her ability to make guests of so many different backgrounds feel comfortable with her is a gift I’m glad she’s sharing with us all.

[@RuthieB966]

TOTALLY AGREE … i will LOVE TO SEE THESE GALS DO ANOTHER SHOW ❤❤

[@christineflores8599]

I am in agreement, would love to see interviews with Jill and Jessa too.

[@dawnmino]

As someone whose family spent quite a bit of time on the fringes of the Gothard phenomenon, I can't even begin to express the damage that has been done. Our family system was NOT healthy to begin with, and this teaching has poured damage upon damage. Thank you for talking about all of this.

[@MayimBialik]

🫶🫶🫶

[@HH-gv8mx]

I’ve always wondered if the boys that grew up in this type of environment end up being hypersexualas they grow older. Like if they’re more prone to porn addiction etc

[@josephguenther4775]

@@HH-gv8mx If you are interested, Davey Jackson grew up in this and has a series on his experience as a boy in this. @daveyjaxx

[@GrannyLovesSquares]

I'm happy the door to healing is open to those who suffered. I pray the best for you and us all.

[@celestelawler587]

​@@HH-gv8mx IDK. But there is a great deal of incest & other sexual abuse in the cult.

[@lj9524]

I like the way you pointed out that “ we share the Old Testament”. That is a wonderful reminder of the tie of faith between Christianity and Judaism. Great interview by Jinger and Mayim. Thank you ladies💕🙏👏

[@jjrat5pack]

I was shocked when I became close to a Jewish woman & learned of some of the hatred & vitriol she had been exposed to from Christians! The churches I have attended have always respected the Jews as God's people. My friend was accused of being of the faith that killed Jesus. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Christianity teach that the sacrifice of Jesus was God's plan all along? The Jews played what I would call a pre-ordained role; those that condemned Jesus thought He was trying to change their beliefs. And His death was also, in some ways, a political move. Sadly, my friend felt she was remaining true to her heritage by rejecting Jesus, bc there is only one God. I gave her an example, that H²O can be a gas, a liquid & a solid, yet is still H²O in all 3 forms but she wasn't having it. I had to respect her choice. Anyway, so glad you looked for the connections & not the differences in your faiths!

[@sharonstauffer7991]

Can I say this was a model of how people with different faiths can talk , share and learn and both walk away better and stronger. I’m not sure where America became a place where people with different backgrounds and beliefs decided to hate those different than them. This discussion didn’t stop at just respect, it moved to benefit. This was so positive and uplifting to see. I respect Jinger so much for her journey being a path of growth, not berating and negativity. Blessings on both of you for being light in the world of faith discussion!

[@PthaloGreen2]

Actually, religious intolerance has a long and multinational history, alas. But it would be nice if the US could break that cycle.

[@genxis6097]

Since coming out with her book, Jinger has done many interviews. This one was the best. Mayim asked such smart, interesting questions, and Jinger was so articulate, warm, engaging, and fun. Great episode!

[@lindseyp4451]

💯 the best interview she's done on this book tour

[@adrienne5836]

Yes! And I love how Mayim’s team edited the shots. Jinger is very intelligent and gracious. And she is the real deal in real life.

[@SarahNelsonWA]

@@lindseyp4451I think she felt safe in this interview.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

I like how Jinger and Mayim have different faiths but are very open to each others’ thoughts and humanity. At first I thought of her last name and thought “would she be comfortable talking to someone who is not a Christian?” Then I thought “But this is Jinger, she would not care” ❤️

[@billsteffan628]

Loolm I’ll😂❤

[@tamaracampbell5260]

A very respectful conversation/interview! ❤

[@stephaniebreslin3466]

Jinger's sister Jill, who was the 1st one to drop Gothard teachings has a book coming out. I hope you interview her, she is wonderful! She is less guarded than Jinger and more of a hippie. They are both wonderful women. Great interview !!❤

[@clw87]

Wow, this is the BEST Jinger interview I’ve ever seen, and I don’t say that lightly because there’s a LOT of them. These were SUCH great questions!

[@MayimBialik]

🥹🥹🥹

[@melissaa152]

What a genuinely impressive interview! Both the guest and the host! Mayim clearly read more than just the end flaps of Jinger's book. She was able to ask intelligent and beneath the surface questions that allowed Ginger's beliefs, thoughts, and personality to shine through. Ginger appeared at ease, and the two appeared to truly enjoy the interview. Which made the interview so enjoyable to listen to!

[@cornelisvolschenk]

Excellent video. As a 59-year old male who is working through the same issues as Jinger did this was a real eye-opening episode for me. Thank you!

[@MayimBialik]

So glad to hear it was helpful, Cornelis, and sending you strength and peace in your own journey. We're very happy to have you here! 🧠🫶

[@cornelisvolschenk]

Thank you!@@MayimBialik

[@nicolewilliams2468]

I grew up evangelical Church of Christ & WOW, so much of this resonates! I now call myself a Jesus-follower & am a member of a non-denominational church, but goodness, so much of what Jinger says resonates. And the pressure of trying to be the savior for everyone else, like it’s all on you to save the world - that is NOT of God. Love, love, love this interview!!!!

[@aces0730]

I come from a Catholic School background and I had the same feelings as Jinger, if I did something wrong, God was waiting to get me. This was a wonderful podcast between two women from different faiths but essentially the same sharing a universal message of love and life.

[@diane8885]

Me too!

[@stephaniedeegan853]

Gosh a me too as well. The focus on confession mortal sin versus venial sin was a constant concern to the point at the third grade I was having full blown panic attacks. As a young adult I finally put distance between that notion and as time went on I could actually feel my mental health returning. Today I still struggle with panic and anxiety but for other reasons altogether. What I have discovered is that early trauma set the stage for rewiring my brain. That kind of indoctrination does have life long effects that changes who you are from a biochemical standpoint. With time, maturity and therapy it can be managed but the damage is certainly a thing.

[@Rainenschu]

I appreciate Jinger's path and message. Having been to an IBLP conference with my parents in 1980 and following the teachings for several years, I'd say that it meets the criteria of a CULT. A cult has a charismatic leader who determines a set of rules and beliefs and orders them to follow them (or else). I've been out for over 23 years. The new "anti-cult" phenomenon has been so helpful! For so many years, I locked that part of my life away and just moved on. Now, I'm dealing with it.

[@MayimBialik]

Thanks so much for sharing, Lorraine, and hoping you've found the peace and healing you so deserve. 🧠🫶

[@elizdavidson]

I just finished Jinger's book and I just wanted to cheer her on and give her a hug. I'm impressed she has been able and wanted to keep her faith- but also how she explains the effect religion had on her life. She also is very kind- she says right up front it is not a tell all book, and she doesn't veer off into those tangents. She's truthful and authentic and I'm just hoping for the best for her and her family.

[@libbyjett3471]

And now her sister Jill is coming out with a book ; can’t wait

[@mienafriggstad3360]

I completely agree. I'm currently reading it. 🙏

[@celestelawler587]

She's married to a "preacher." So how could she get away from "God" even if she wanted to? Jeremy converted her from Gothardism to his equally patriarchal religion... Calvinism.

[@elizdavidson]

@@celestelawler587 she doesn’t want or need to get away from god/Jesus. She is recognizing the difference between following a leader and following the Bible- and that’s a step in the right direction.

[@celestelawler587]

@@elizdavidson She doesn't know WTF SHE wants. She been TOLD all her life what she wants to do. She went from her being under her father's thumb to being under Jeremy's thumb. You can use the bible for toilet paper. It was written by a bunch of sheep herders. And who knows WHAT they were doing with those sheep.

[@harlic8501]

This is the best interview Jinger has ever done. It feels less “walking on egg shells” as her other interviews.

[@juliep.8382]

This was def one i was NOT expecting! A duggar??? 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Yall need to interview her sister Jill! Shes the one in the documentary you mention! Def gonna need you to bring Jinger back if you watch the documentary!

[@PhilGeissler]

Wonderful interview. Thank you, Mayim for your compassion and understanding in the interview. It was beautiful!

[@allisonjohnson6399]

Jinger is absolute class. She is so beautiful and precious...I know with her own personal struggles, both with that Sibling Who Won't Be Named and her mental health, she may not always feel strong, but she has this amazing strength that is so admirable. Her book is such a gentle look into what all she goes through and her beautiful faith.

[@onwednesdayswewearpink2761]

Jinger on my Mayim's channel. I am so excited to watch this ! I love BOTH of you !

[@DaniElle-di4ho]

Same!! Are you also a “Jew for Jinger” 😆 as I am?

[@avitalmacales5649]

My sisters and I used to watch 19 Kids & Counting all the time, and we’d find it fascinating to see the similarities and differences between that world and our Orthodox Jewish life. Now to see the two worlds come together in this interview was very exciting for us. Mayim, I love listening to how you explain Judaism to the general public; it helps me do the same. And my heart goes out to you, Jinger, for the challenging journey you’ve had to endure till you found your place, and the courage to tell your story to help others. Mayim, you led the interview intelligently, sensitively and with humor; it was great, thank you.

[@InfoLunix]

Alright I came to see Jinger but I'm surprised of all the things I learned about Mayim in this interview!! 😮😊

[@neece2818]

I love when people just want to get to know someone. No agenda. No judgment. Beautifully done.

[@amyconnell]

What a respectful, kind and curious conversation between two people who both have a strong faith and they aren't exactly the same. Masterful interviewing, Mayim!

[@alieellersmith]

This is like legitimately the most human I've ever seen Jinger act before, like when she was talking about tv shows and laughing, and I don't even know if Mayim realizes that she is like one of the first people able to bring out Jinger's real personality on an interview before 😂 THANK YOU MAYIM YOU WERE SO SWEET TO OUR GIRL

[@sarahuber8567]

Jinger is so articulate and gifted.

[@pamelacrawford4105]

I loved this interview Mayim. It was nice to see Jinger being herself. I used to watch all of their shows and all you saw were clones repeating the same doctrine and just a tiny bit of each child’s personality. She is has become such a well rounded human being. No longer having to tow the company line. So happy for her and Jeremy and their daughters. 😊😊😊

[@kyndalslifeowen6823]

I watched the majority of the interviews that Jinger has done in regards to the book she wrote. This interview, by far, is the best one she has participated in. Mayim is so relaxed and asked such good questions. She seems to really enjoy talking to Jinget.

[@annaburch3200]

If I was to have a "favorite" Duggar, it was definitely Jinger. Something about her always appealed to me and hearing her say how devout she was, was kind of funny to hear because I always thought of her (from my outside perspective) as the only one with a mind of her own - and look at her now. She, being the artistic, photographer, in the family, made her unique and fun. It's neat to see her come into her own and seeing her real personality shine on your show was cool. Her giggles and joking. The similarities between your different religions and how things can be "extreme" for good or bad, was extremely interesting. This was a great interview. Thank you for bringing her on to the show.

[@patriciamurfitt4590]

Jinger isn't kinda ballsy. She is absolutely ballsy. God bless you Junger. Your parents might not be thrilled but most people are very proud of your strength and determination. You are in for a very bright future. Maya you are the best 🥰

[@NikkiSchumacherOfficial]

Wow. What a dream duo for a podcast. Ladies, I love you both.

[@jessica1.]

It is crazy how long these interviews are, but I don't get bored, and the genuine conversation always gets at much more interesting content than when they try for soundbites and quick content. Great job Mayim! ❤❤❤

[@amandarabon2022]

Mayim having no idea what the big hype about Jinger is, and Jinger likely knowing little to nothing about Mayims TV history.. CRAZY! Just 2 great individuals!

[@babsr8479]

I really enjoyed this one. I am so glad Jinger is doing so well and has a very supportive husband. She has every right to protect her children .

[@cisabelle7304]

To be honest, I had kind of never wanted to hear from the Duggars ever again. But, as I adore MB, I decided to click on this episode of MBB with a fully open mind. I'm absolutely shooketh that I found Jinger to be relatable, well-spoken, honest, and, well... much more "normal" than I would have imagined. This episode actually left me feeling like she and her book deserve my support, or, at the very least, my open-mindedness and non-judgement. MB, it never fails to amaze me how you continue to open my mind with this podcast.

[@lorimcdowell7818]

I've followed the Duggar family for years and have always admired their love of the Lord and that it showed in their children. I've watched multiple interviews with Jinger and I have to say, yours was amazing. I watched Blossom and was thrilled to see you on The Big Bang Theory but those were just characters that you played. Your interaction with Jinger in this interview was kind, respectful, heartfelt and genuine. I love that it revealed that we usually have more in common with each other than we often see at first glance. Congratulations on your channel and I wish you continued success!

[@mesquitegirl2013]

Same

[@doodlebug5105]

That there are Mayims in the world willing to have open, thoughtful conversations makes me feel some hope for our world.

[@alyssahomen3753]

I’m proud of Jinger calling out the “joyfully available” teachings. I’m shocked she went there but so happy she’s healed and grown to this point. Keep healing Jinger! You and Jill I hope can inspire your siblings!

[@MalloryNewcomb]

Oh I can’t wait for that part!

[@mesquitegirl2013]

❤

[@bethanytaylor7656]

I love seeing. Books in the background of interviews. I’m always looking for titles I’ve read. 😄

[@alexandratewell5337]

I grew up with Jinger (our family met the duggars at an IBLP conference) and as I grew up and became an adult and married my husband (and left iblp teachings) one of the FIRST “secular” shows we watched was big bang theory lol. And I’ve been a fan of Mayim since then. So this whole interview was so wholesome in that it was respectful and thought provoking and I just loved every part of it!

[@Familylawgroup]

I would love to have Dr. Mayim interviewed by Jeremy and Jinger on her podcast because Jeremy has a masters in theology from an institute that teaches Hebrew and teaches about the Old Testament as well. My favorite topic is comparative religion and I am about an hour into this video and I am just craving so much more of this deep comparative analysis. Maybe Mayim’s awesome rabbi could join the conversation. What a way to find commonality and fellowship….as a ew, I am often confused by some Christian teachings and principles and Jinger is quite eloquent without insulting Dr. Mayim.

[@jennifferwalton3345]

Very good sugestion

[@salyluz6535]

THIS⬆️♥️🙏🏽💙🙏🏽💛!! PLEASE try to arrange this future deep dive, because I too love comparative religion and I think this is VERY HELPFUL in understanding and respecting others who are different from us! We need our understanding to be expanded! THIS is a big part of what is missing from our culture today! We need to be able to have good relationships and deep, compassionate understanding of other people, with whom we have major disagreements. We must be able to disagree in an agreeable and respectful way, and to put ourselves in the shoes of others so we can treat them as we would like to be treated! I just think it is SO sad how much division could be avoided in the US, & All around the world really, if we could just learn from each other and respect each other!! It’s really not required that we agree with someone on 100% of things in order to be a good friend, coworker, neighbor etc. We should each be examining and judging our own hearts, rather than judging and condemning other people! The more we understand where others are coming from, what they believe etc, then the more we can understand why others do some of the things they do, and we come to better understand our own motivations, and I think this is super important for understanding our joint humanity. ESPECIALLY if we are followers of Jesus, we should actually study the words He said and the way He lived His life, and also what His apostles in the early church taught, back when the church was considered a branch of Judaism- we should study and follow THIS much more than what somebody taught 400, 1000 or more years after Jesus lived! If the majority of your theology or beliefs come from the time period when the churches were joined with a state government and controling people thru the state churches, their motivations and goals were actually quite different from what Jesus and the Early Church taught!! We need to consider who we are actually following! The institutional churches operated primarily for other goals and purposes that were Not in line with Jesus’s actual Words. Jesus came to build up God’s Eternal Kingdom, not to build temporary earthly, human governments or kingdoms. Just like Jinger and Mayim describe in this video, I believe it’s super important to examine our own beliefs and motivations, and to disentangle ourselves from what isn’t True, Kind and Healthy!! 💙🙏🏽💛

[@leticiaperez243]

This was such an unexpected episode. The deep conversations regarding perfectionism and having to try to figure that out is very real. Moving from feeling that you need to do things a certain way to be worthy of love - weather it’s for a god or a parent - a boss etc is a very hard to work passed. I’m still working on this. Jinger is very brave and eloquent in her story. MBB thanks again for another wonderful episode.

[@malindawilliams8779]

Mayim really knows how to talk 2 ppl from so many different backgrounds & gives them time 2 tell their story…need more of this!

[@paulan7218]

May im treats all her guest with respect whether she agrees with their worldview or not, we need more people like that

[@deborahd4310]

I was raised in a cult but it took me 26 years to realize it was a cult. When I did I sobbed so hard realizing that 25 years of my life have been controlled. And that I didn't see my family ever leaving and realizing how they were wasting their life. I just disagree you don't need an expert, It helps to read their criteria but you don't need a expert to call it what it is. It does take time for our minds to accept where we came from.

[@shellylemons]

Some people do need an expert. Then there are those who can break away without needing to be told but in time you will need to talk to someone. They don't need to be an expert.

[@deniseweber1339]

Wishing you the very best in life. Hoping your journey brings you to a place where you can feel free and comfortable in your life. If it ever feels right for you, I bet you'd have a lot to give to others with common backgrounds.

[@deborahd4310]

I am doing fine but it is a process.

[@deborahd4310]

I understand what you're saying, but the truth is usually the experts are not going to have a complete list of cults. From experience I think it's comes to a point where it's good to assess what makes a cult and if you've been in one to face that fact. For me it was part of the healing process to know the extent that I was controlled and how controlled my family I left behind is controlled. But I realize everyone is different. I have just found that being around other ex members, that the ones who call it what it is seem to do better at facing what they need to recover from because it affects every aspect of your life. For many years I thought it was my fault that my family was shunning me until I realized it was fear-mongering artfully used, via a cult, in a way to control mine and my families thoughts and opinions, which is kind of just one part of the whole cult package.

[@daveshoemaker7137]

So when you saw normal women dressed in clothes that didn't look like the dark, dreary, ugly clothes you had on and it didn't register with you how different you were? When you heard music and saw people dancing, did you not think how much fun they were having? Does your family think that they are "special"? From my experience with church there are mean, ugly people that gossip and spread rumors! The one place that you would think you could go to feel good actually feel down and sad! I am not against religion but I believe it should make you feel good not bad or ashamed! Your family thought they were doing right by you! A person can be good and not belong to a church! Enjoy your life it's yours to live!

[@lisafehlman221]

Jinger, so proud of you, and the woman you have become. You are a beautiful young lady inside and out. ❤😊

[@1000nipples]

this is legitimately the best interview i’ve ever watched. the juxtaposition between jinger and mayim is just incredible to watch.

[@hydrolyzed_liquid_collagen]

I had to work at Eureka pizza in Springdale when we first moved to Arkansas and I remember meeting you and a couple of your sisters when you would pick up orders. You girls were always so sweet! Much love to you! ♥️ Sarah Longfellow

[@juliachildress2943]

This was amazing. I love the respectful dialog between a faithful Jew and a faithful Christian. We need more of that! I grew up a lot like Ginger and in this interview she really nails so many points. Wow how she has grown. Thank you both so much. So good to get to know Mayim.

[@jennsadventures84]

I love the diversity of guest she has for interviews. And she is non judgemental. And ask good questions.

[@allisonjohnson6399]

I am loving the part where they were talking pop culture shows and music!! So stinkin cute and awesome!! I love seeing Jinger lighting up over the shows and music she loves!!

[@stephaniefryar6728]

I don't know if Mayin will see this....but as someone who knows a lot about pop culture and "reality" tv...I thought this was such a beautiful and RESPECTFUL interview.

[@samanthahoos9827]

Great chat! Jinger is a very intelligent well spoken woman who’s grown up in the public eye. I pray her daughters can enjoy normal childhood activities making memories with their parents in the safety of a more educated understanding world! 😊

[@carriemaxwell417]

Their daughters really need to go to an actual school because Jinger only has an eight grade education and isn't qualified to teach anyone.

[@lk1869]

@@carriemaxwell417She seems to be a rather articulate person and has insightful thinking. If what I see is true, they all will learn together.

[@carriemaxwell417]

@@lk1869 Jinger really needs to take classes at the local community college first. She has such a limited worldview that should not be foisted on her daughters.

[@EmeryShae]

@@carriemaxwell417I’m pretty sure the oldest does go to an actual school. She mentioned that they made different choices for their girls than what Jinger grew up with.

[@lisawatkins8801]

Mayim, this is my first time watching your podcast because I wanted to hear Jinger. I have subscribed because I found you to be such a warm, open and genuinely interested interviewer. Your emotional intelligence surrounding your questions and responses to Jinger were a pleasure to watch. I look forward to watching you in more interviews!

[@juliegallion6740]

yes, totally agree. She is so gracious and genuinely cares about her guest and their thoughts. I'm adding it, too. So good!

[@miriambartley6622]

Best Jinger interview. There was great chemistry between the two of you. It worked because you both have a background of faithfulness to God, and have worked to sort through the issues of religion.

[@janegotshalk6105]

This is an outstanding interview. Mayim, you were totally non-jugdemental. Jinger has done a lot of inner work and it shows. As a behavioral health clinician, I think you're right in suggesting that her anxiety had some OCD flavor to it. However, it seems like she has moved past it. I do think Jinger dodged the question about whether she thought the IBLP is a cult. I think she is still afraid of betraying her parents.

[@jenniferbutters1301]

Part way through and have to stop to do something but I am deeply impressed by how well I felt both of you HEARD each other’s perspectives 😊 I will be back to finish ❤

[@MayimBialik]

Thanks so very much, Jennifer! 🙌

[@tracybynum5042]

This was the most respectful, honest, introspective interview with a Duggar daughter I have EVER watched! Jinger's candor and openness are admirable. Her perspective is so clear and refreshing. Thank you for an amazing conversation between two beautiful human beings!

[@montyollie]

One of the better interviews I've seen with Jinger. It was amazing to hear them talk to each other knowing so little about each other, having to google one another before the interview! Wow. To walk in with NO preconceived notions is amazing.

[@Familylawgroup]

Yes..this was the interview I have been wishing for. Two favorite topics…Dr. Bialik and the Duggars.

[@CheersNE]

This has been one of my favorite interviews. Nice job Mayim. Others have been disrespectful of Jinger and her sisters, asking questions with a sneer in their voices. Your coversation was very enlightening and uplifting.

[@Gigiyoungerme]

Thank you for sharing your faith ladies Personally I was taught one never talks about their feats nor Resentments as a child Now in my 60 I find it okay to truly express all emotions Taking the moments of life to breathe Thank you ladies Gigi

[@elizabethkeeling-carreau1873]

It’s so powerful that you and Jinger were able to make connections through your very different religious upbringings to show respect for what was and what now is. Your questions were fascinating. Now wonder I’m binging your channel. Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom and humour Mayim. 🤗🇨🇦🤗

[@MayimBialik]

Thanks so much for the kind feedback, Elizabeth, and so glad you found us!! 🧠🫶

[@user-fv4qt3rw8e]

I would love for you to interview Jinger's sister Jill about her new book, Counting the Cost. This was an amazing interview. I grew up under the same teachings. I have read Jinger's book, and have to keep re-reading portions because the fear is so deep. I still go to bed in tears begging God to love me. It's just crazy the way one man's teachings has messed up generations.

[@SuzieQ-lw2kp]

Sending Prayers and Blessings for you to find peace please know God loves you flaws and all . He loves all of us 💙

[@katelynnmcdougall9826]

i really appreciate how you respected Jinger and her faith without bashing her or disrespecting her ❤

[@jesseve646]

This is the best interview I've seen of Jinger. She is relatable and open. I'm so happy for her. She's glowing and thriving. I hope she continues to spread her story.

[@sybil_anna82fibrowarrior38]

This is the interview with Jinger I'd always hoped for. I have always wanted to hear from her more candidly. I'm glad she's doing so well ❤❤

[@michele-kt]

I loved this interview! I have seen several interviews of Jinger regarding her book, but you, Mayim, asked her the most interesting, insightful and novel questions by far. Great interview!

[@BettyHorn]

Jinger is right. No one deserves access to her children. Great interview!

[@carriesmith742]

I don't consider myself a person of faith and was honestly going to skip this podcast. I'm SO glad I didnt. I live in WV and unfortunately it is heavy with hypocritical Christians everywhere so it has been difficult. I went to a Methodist private college and THAT probably turned me off more than anything but seeing people like you and Jinger who have enough forethought to question things and not just accept them because that's how it has always been is something I appreciate. Like my favorite quote in Game of Thrones says, "incompetence should not be rewarded with blind loyalty." Thank you for this educational look at faith! ❤

[@soniasinclair1903]

I love you talked to Jinger; I watched the show. She was my favorite Duggar. This was a great episode. Maybe you could have Jill or one of the other Duggars on as well.

[@nancystittgen]

I cannot thank you enough for this interview, Mayim. So much can be personally gleaned by the listener because the foundation of this discussion is kindness and respect. This is the most comfortable I've ever seen Jinger discussing her life.

[@nicolewilliams2468]

Mayim, I want to say thank you for the respect & compassion you have with all your guests. You & I approach solutions so differently, but it see the similarities in why these issues cause us to take action. I love how you share your life & are so kind to everyone on your show. Coming from a place of love, compassion, & w genuine desire to understand the differences between us while focusing on what brings us together across all backgrounds - wow. You are doing *exactly* what you were created to do, & I admire you for stepping into that. Well done, good & faithful servant.

[@helenmurphree3434]

I so appreciate this interview and pointing out how it’s not right to follow the teaching of one person who claims that they are the ONE person with all the right answers.

[@donnettewebster2504]

I really enjoyed this interview. I have watched Jinger grow up on tv. But I never really got to know her. I’m so impressed how she has handled her life. She seems to be so genuine. And I agree she’s a brave woman. The two of you seemed to really enjoy talking to each other. I would love for her to come back again. 😊

[@carolinekaplan4444]

Really a fun episode. I have seen Jinger interviewed several times, but Mayim seemed to provide a new path for her to open up. I really liked their ability to find the commonalities between Jinger's old and new beliefs and Mayim's faith and teaching. Super fun. Thanks.

[@bxnny0374]

Jinger is such a bright and brilliant mind; I’m so grateful that you had her on for us to witness it. She has such an interesting and important perspective, and Mayim asked some killer questions to create a truly thought-provoking conversation. I sincerely loved this episode.

[@mitsim]

This was such great interview. And, after seeing Ginger speak on different occasions, it's wonderful to see her appear so much more in her own skin each time. She has such great self-awareness and confidence and maturity now, and I'm so proud of her and the life she and Jeremy have built. Thanks for a great hour and a half!

[@Hhelloo697]

Love to hear Ginger’s story.

[@daninaavery3532]

My chavrusa is chassidic living in NY and she, who has just had her 8th, has told me so many times to never feel badly about getting permission from my Rabbi to only have 3 kids because I have hyperemesis gravidarum. She says that the most holy and religious women in her community who have HG also only have 2-4 kids in the midst of families that have 6-12 for the same reason. As an orthodox influenced I follow says, “we live by these rules not die by them” and she is so right. When something is harmful to us physically and now more prevalent psychologically, Rabbeim will often give leniencies to use things like birth control or place other measures in place so that we can enjoy doing the commandments and love Gd through our Torah. I love Judaism!!!

[@franny5059]

I have shied away from any interviews that other YTers have done regarding Jinger Duggar, because they recycle the same material but your channel did something very different with her and I enjoyed watching every moment, and I loved how you were able to identify with her regarding your backgrounds, even though they’re different and this was a very good interview

[@cristinab2263]

I've been watching and following the Duggar very closely since 2014 or so. You might want to invite Jill (Duggar) Dillard on as her book Counting the Cost will be out next month.

[@kanealoha]

@Mayim Bialik - first of all, you are an amazing person. Thank you for sharing so many of your gifts with us over the years! I have listened to your podcast since you started but always just the audio. However, when I heard you interviewed Jinger Vuolo, I realized I needed to go to KZbin to watch. I’m a survivor of the evangelical church - I survived ex-gay therapy and a litany of experiences which I won’t go into here. Watching the Duggars over the years was a curiosity at first, looking back at the community I had left was somehow therapeutic. Eventually that well ran dry for me and I stopped paying attention. However, when the facade began to break down and the nitty gritty of the IBLP and Duggar lifestyle choices became public, I started paying attention again. I keep an open mind, observing their journeys. Thanks for conducting/presenting this interview. You are admired and greatly appreciated!

[@kathrynivey4608]

I usually catch the shorts of MBB on social media, so when I saw this episode come across my KZbin feed, I had to watch. This was a great interview and I love how Mayim was kind and didn't try to get the "drama" or "dirt". Amazing interview!

[@jodijohnson23]

I love this. I feel like both parties were super respectful of each others beliefs. And I love that.

[@stephaniewaters4931]

I really found this episode interesting! I’m a person without a religious faith but I have respect for ALL the faiths & beliefs of others. I enjoyed hearing you discuss & could have listened longer as you talked about the similarities in your faiths. Jinger has done a good job understanding that she can be the person she wants to be & a mother how she wants to mother. Thanks Mayim!

[@kittycatmommy2364]

Jinger is amazing and I thoroughly enjoyed this video. She's down-to-earth and I'm so happy that she has found her soulmate and that they have such a beautiful family. The questions and answers were very enlightening truthful and respectful. Thank you, Mayim for another fantastic interview 💕

[@sizzlegrizzle1836]

Oh my WORD this was the episode I never knew I wanted! I love this kind of deep, thoughtful interfaith dialogue. I grew up in an interfaith family, but by the time I was in middle school, only my brother and I kept going to church-just bc youth group was fun. The church was a painfully conservative arm of the restoration movement, subscribed to biblical literalism, and suppressed women. As a child, I was also diagnosed with tourettes, adhd, and ocd- the latter of which manifested as intense anxiety surrounding being “wrong” and going to hell. But since that doctrine was so normalized, I felt intensely lonely in my anxiety. Once I left for college, I studied religion among a tight-knit cohort of liberal progressive Christians. In studying the bible and its context, I found a deep source of HOPE for a better world. Though my theology aligns with the Jewish half of my upbringing (to my dad’s delight), I have a real appreciation for the kind of Christianity I experienced with my friends. I LOVE the Bible! And it’s so disturbing to see the many ways people have managed to weaponize it, with callous disregard for the damage they cause. I know that Jinger interprets the Bible differently that I do, so I wouldn’t typically be inclined to seek out content from her. But interfaith dialogue is SO important- hearing her perspective reminds me that Jinger (and all other such open-minded ppl) and I absolutely agree on some of the most fundamental aspects of being human!! Given the intense political (and related religious) climate in America right now, if more of us would be willing to have such an honest conversation with the “other side,” we’d find ourselves in a much better place. Thank you both for being so open and honest! I enjoyed every bit of this lil talk :)

[@miriambartley6622]

You were both o attuculate. It was a pleasure to spend time with you both on this interview.

[@mrs.boz1141]

NO WAY. Mayim, you're amazing. ❤

[@user-hz8cd3vh2b]

I’ve seen so many interviews with Jinger and this was hands down my favorite! So respectful and joyful and fun! Thank you for doing this interview.

[@jlynniepoo112]

This was such a great interview! Mayim, you have such a gift at putting people at ease and enabling them to open up in a comfortable place where they feel understood and heard. I remember Jinger as a kid on those TLC specials years ago and the fascination with her family that came along with it. It's great to see that she's in a good place and working to keep that a priority. Well done, you guys!❤

[@stellaharris4826]

My favorite episode so far. Great to hear an open respectful discussion of two women of faith.