Joe Rogan and David Pakman Debate Social Media Censorship

[@rg5445]

Joe is moving to Spotify because they promised him longer headphone cables.

[@hassleoffa]

The short cable is driving me crazy ... I must have OCD or something.

[@xavierreed8050]

😂😂

[@furymittens1910]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

That was funny..... yesterday. Haha

[@TwoStacks217]

He could probably buy a headphone cord company with the 100 million dollars they are paying him

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

Lol Pakman: "Just make your own platform." *Creates Platform. It gets banned from Apple & Google app stores* "Just make your own app platform." *Creates Platform. It gets banned from crowd-funding services.* "Just make your own crowd-funding platform." *Creates Platform. It gets banned from payment processing services.* "Just create your own payment processing platform." *Creates Platform. Banks refuse to accept the transactions.* We're at this stage now David. Are you going to tell people to build their own banks? At what point short of an entire country's worth of infrastructure are you willing to admit that this is censorship!?

[@meirellesmeirelles6943]

This is literally bitcoin, your own bank friend

[@mantheory6432]

Crypto currency and decentralized finance will bring that freedom

[@swingset1969]

Pretty simple. David likes the brand of censorship, so he downplays it. Period, end of story.

[@therealpotheadmedia]

@@mantheory6432 there still is a power structure in bitcoin. So it can be man-ipulated.

[@hapahilo]

@@therealpotheadmedia true but at least (on-chain) bitcoin manipulation is available for all to see.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Social media censorship... Like the type that's pushing Rogan to move his podcast to Spotify?

[@carlosescobedo6406]

Yup, KZbin has recently been censoring many of the things he’s been talking about

[@strategery101]

Joe “the left has gone crazy but I’m voting democrat anyway” rogan.

[@Papagiorgio153]

Obligatory "Dude, I see you everywere!"

[@RickDeckard2]

Sure it's not the 100 million dollars?

[@BigSmoke-iw4zo]

strategery101 joe complains about high taxes in California meanwhile he’s voting for Bernie

[@logicalrealist3091]

The moment David Packman realizes he’s defending the actions of the social media companies and not analyzing them.

[@JohnBoyJoy]

he was always a 100% progressive shill

[@SimonBellaMondo]

He’s suddenly a free market capitalist and anti-regulation when it comes to leftist controlled social media platforms.

[@HumanHamCube]

That's pakman

[@torisolomon4455]

I always wrote off the "Flat earth conspiracy" as crazy without looking at it. And then I gave it a chance. And I still think its crazy. And that's how things should go.

[@brownman248]

I was ready to read a Flat Earth testimony after “ I gave it a chance” lol

[@notkevindurant8814]

Hit the hammer right on the head or in Joe Bidens wise words "you know.. That thing" 🤙

[@calebross8174]

Hahaha I thought this was going to go the other way.

[@qigong1001]

This.

[@rdklarnet55]

Look guts, I actually believe the Flat-earthers...I believe they are Crazy.

[@jimmynickelz]

Spotify promised him a longer headphone cord, and Jamie is gonna have his own Jamie.

[@royalzak2670]

Joe: Jamie pull that up Jamie: Baby Jamie pull that up Baby Jamie: k

[@somaalchemy1154]

@@royalzak2670 spotify is make his clone now lol

[@TheMasonator777]

jimmynickelz Art of War, bitches.

[@tkcaapi2876]

lol 😆 gold bro! respect 😁 actually, Jamies new Jamie , comes with its own old Brian.

[@salymakhmedov2196]

Lol

[@ericshuty2564]

So my question for those who are pro-social media censorship: you think it is a good idea to give multi-national, billion dollar corporations the power to dictate what is seen and heard and what isn't? How is that better than government control? These corporations are more powerful than most of the countries in the world. How is not an obviously bad idea....

[@Johnny.f.face1]

They are powerful because the people we elect are for sale.

[@agreenone03]

KZbin isn't a country.

[@jordanfrancis129]

@@agreenone03 ... reread bro you're tripping 😂😂

[@RaveSault]

"BUT BUT BUT MUH PRIVATE CUMPAHKNEE!!1!"

[@agreenone03]

@@jordanfrancis129 i don't need to reread. They aren't a country and shouldn't be treated like one. I find it hilarious that it's the freedom lovers like rogan and his fanbase that are the first ones to suck govt teet to protect them when the big bad corporations do something that doesn't benefit them.

[@GrizzlyTank]

I was in a FB group that talks about JRE. The admin made a post claiming censorship doesn’t happen on social media and even if it does it’s not a problem. All the replies claimed that censorship os real. So what did the admin do? He censored the replies and banned us from the group. The absolute irony is that he proved himself wrong by doing so.

[@tmac9938]

CIA prob runs that group, in the way Russia owned an entire category of groups (i think a pres candidate)

[@crypticreality8484]

Unreal. And they're blind to the irony. Reminds me of the "OUR DEMOCRACY" people and then they try to remove Trump from being on the ballot to be DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED.

[@nyChannel09]

For you he proved himself wrong... For himself, he still won...

[@lilphilosophy481]

​@@nyChannel09he never won

[@shanerodgers9291]

If you are “always” in agreement with one side or the other, then you need to re-evaluate how much of your thinking is your own.

[@cadenlorenzo3345]

Exactly. This is why I think our political polarization is bad for thought. People who share some ideas with the left or the right are pressured to share all their ideas for fear of being attacked for their opinions.

[@sgunt1464]

Op kink

[@sgunt1464]

Liberty Or Death I job no koi oil I look i I oio o juju juju in up for me h

[@jonathanblaze1648]

Then you are Joe Rogan.

[@lukazupie7220]

David spoke against muslims tho:)

[@ExpiredPants]

"THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONVERSATION" Why is the kickboxing comedian the only one saying this? The general public should be shouting it.

[@meinking22]

I agree with you but the general public is far too stupid. Give them a spectacle and they will forget everything and cheer you for it.

[@anshulruhil6414]

He doesn't kickbox. it's taekwondo & jiu jitsu

[@bahed1]

Expired- welcome to this topic! It's been talked about, on the right, for decades. Listen to talk radio, watch Fox news, read the Wall Street Journal. Those are a few examples. The ways in which the Left stamps down free thought is frightening!!

[@ug8903]

Red Pilled people talk about all the time

[@SnakeyBlakey]

@@ug8903 "Red pilled people" Not cringey at all.

[@user-tf4ho2uo1e]

This is why Joe Rogan is leaving KZbin

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

Yeah at first I thought his new deal was ridiculous, but this video opened my eyes to his motivation. Takes balls.

[@Spookykidshow]

@@reinforcedpenisstem Lol it actually took 100 million, also they will be able to play videos on screen on Spotify and not get a copyright

[@liamjaye4153]

Nothing to do with the £100m then 😂

[@ben31uk]

OkLow Spotify is worse than KZbin for censorship. There all big tech

[@ben31uk]

OkLow 100 million dollars.

[@clearlychrissy]

The difference between Rogan and Pakman is Joe will tell you the truth and apologize when he's wrong a real man. David's ego is bigger than his man crush on Joe.

[@vitawaterplz]

davids still tell ppl trump bad

[@nicholasallan9248]

This conversation needs to be had! Joe Rogan leading the charge.

[@imafraidicantdothat.9203]

Nicholas Allan The simple thing to do would just be bring back the fairness doctrine. If you don’t know what the fairness doctrine is just look it up.

[@The_Drifter79]

Here we go bunch of Joe Rogan nut hangers

[@KorDawg91]

ZACHARY FEILBACH why you even here?

[@Defia1]

ZACHARY FEILBACH you must be his foreskin then ? Discarded at birth 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@xPadge112x]

It needed to be had a long time before this. This will achieve nothing at this point. If anything it explains why he's leaving. KZbin is Google. It couldn't give a fuck. We've checked box our freedoms away slowly.

[@lanhamjr]

So frustrating and glad Joe called the guest on his use of the term "disinformation" - who gets to make that judgment? We do not need nanny's deciding what we can see/read.

[@imafraidicantdothat.9203]

Dr Rick The best thing to do is bring back the fairness doctrine. If you don’t know what that is just look it up

[@Baghuul]

David pakman is a disingenuous hypocrite.

[@kevinparsley6806]

op - joe didnt do anything like you described here. joe clearly felt there was such a thing as disinformation, but made it clear that those doctors werent cases of it. again, leagues from what you wrote about here.

[@requix11]

That's what I'm saying. Unpopular opinions is NOT disinformation. That's dangerous and I'm glad Joe clarified that on air.

[@burtmaclin553]

@@halfeatenwaffle3 dude you've probably never touched a woman

[@askedofgod9067]

Never take David Pakman seriously. He would run from his own shadow. 😂

[@DavidRyan.]

“Political correctness is just fascism disguised as politeness”-George Carlin

[@mosheenslavethefilthygoyim983]

Why do people like you like to call j3wish leftists "fascist"?

[@sefp]

David Ryan you prefer nazism too political correctness? Lol

[@wardogMMA]

KZbin recently removed a video with more than 1M views in 2 days on UFOs with crowd sourced videos from channel named PRAVEEN MOHAN. Its crazy how they do it...

PAKMAN is a very stupid smart guy as he is completely deranged and clueless on anything political

[@MrGOTAMA420]

oh! your busted!

[@Vmh1717]

It blows my mind that the only guy with any common sense when it comes to politics and cultural issues is some mma comedians.

[@elderrusty541]

Yeah but it’s funny how someone who’s actually open minded and listens to other sides and will debate people is “faking” or “flip flopping”

[@elderrusty541]

North Georgia no one here said anything like that

[@randomninja]

It's 2020 and Joe Rogan is the voice of reason, and I'm ok with that.

[@Z3phlar]

He's literally always been since his podcast started.

[@sardjentpepper8897]

@@Z3phlar he really has always been very based and reasonable

[@MrCarpediem6]

who would have thought.. who would've thought.

[@iamLODD]

Bush allowed 9/11 to happen

[@chrishernandez2771]

He can express himself honestly and that’s hard to do for probably most of us I’m thinking

[@ThePhil737]

The planned parenthood videos mentioned at 17:14 were not “dramatically dishonest.” All succeeding claims and allegations were proven during their investigation. The people who made those videos got in trouble for “trespassing” and filming without mutual consent. Hundreds of hours of raw footage were posted along with the edited ones. Check it out for yourselves.

[@ThatDanishGuy]

Joe: Taking videos down, with different views, is a bad idea KZbin: We must censor our biggest podcaster so he doesn't say stuff like that again **Joe flashes new $100 mill contract with Spotify** KZbin: What have we done...

[@mj-og7zg]

Tee Aye that’s the same thing. Demonetize things they don’t want talked about so joe rogan loses money.

[@ThatDanishGuy]

I have a new channel guys and a sub would be hugely appreciated :)

[@ThatDanishGuy]

@@MrTeeAye If you build your career as a youtuber and then from one day to the next get demonetized, that's almost as good as censorship. Direct censorship would be you saying something that YT finds politically incorrect. Something about transgenders come to mind as a reason for YT censorship in the past. YT has a preference when it comes to videos they promote. Go to any independent news show on YT and check out the "next up" recommended video. They aren't from that channel, they're always from Fox, CNN, MSNBC or the like. Just did a video about it on my channel :)

[@ThatDanishGuy]

@@mj-og7zg Yea that's what I was thinking too

[@ThatDanishGuy]

@sweeney 1 Haha that I was :)

[@DaBxprince83]

I hope you enter Spotify flexing hard, nothing holding you back from being the Joe we all knew 6 or 7 years ago

[@legion24100]

Well he's obviously evolved but i see your point

[@africaart]

Amen to that.

[@crzxm]

@@legion24100 I was about to say that.

[@Dravhs]

No corporation will let it be unsensored... Spotify can lose board members whenever...

[@bradsully6620]

@@Dravhs I agree. I think hes going to hold back more..

[@TheDreno33]

The real MVP here is Joe's headphone cable. What a trooper.

[@usamazahid5641]

Damn I was too much in to conversation I can't see anything

[@craigbuchan]

definitely not made in china!

[@Dan-mm1yl]

😂😂😂 Joe probably woke up with neck ache the next dsy and wondered why

[@SuperGorilla68]

Yeah that’s exactly what you should be thinking of. 😂

[@3buzzy]

Pakman reminds me of that guy in high school who had read Howard Zinn and went around spouting the “facts” he had read but had no idea to think for himself.

[@darko2407]

Packman really tried to legiitmize them pulling the Doctors video, Jesus, what a hack.

[@claytonmidgett7997]

Are you talking about 'Plandemic'? I can't figure out which video of "doctors" we're talking about here. The Plandemic video was laughably fake news.

[@jimluebke3869]

Yeah, he's a complete partisan hatchet man, who broadcasts his power fantasies as if he were perfectly right about everything and so he should be in charge. If he ever got near power, he would be very, very dangerous.

[@Christopher-hy5pu]

I don't think you know what 'devils advocate' means.

[@Dooger414]

@@claytonmidgett7997 You didn't watch the video and don't even know what video it is then label it "plandemic" anyway. It was a Computing Forever video with a doctor that has been published and received rewards for her work. It was dealing with Hydroxochloroquin and Zinc treatment that, does not cure, but it linked to positive effects of Corona patients and is u undergoing further testing. This is still in the testing stage and Facebook and KZbin pulled it after an activist at Business Insider openly took credit to mass reporting and even tried getting a quote from the video's creator to misquote for his hit piece he published within 24 hours of the takedown. Do you see an issue with a person posing as a journalist, actively censoring a video to create their own story, where they then misreported on? Do you support that type of corruption?

[@paulg451]

He's a joke.

[@studio3js196]

David pakman really made me lose faith when he started pushing the vote blue no matter stuff. Gives off those AOC vibes.

[@strategery101]

He is a democrat shill. He just want them to have more power no matter what. No real principles

[@dlv444]

Jimmy Dore has turned himself into someone worth listening to. David doesn't seem able to make the same leap.

[@torjones-7]

@@dlv444 On point.

[@beatnickPL]

Exactly it's called intellectual dishonesty

[@beatnickPL]

@@dlv444 Exactly, I would also also Kyle Kuklinski still keeping it real not buying Dems corporate propaganda.

[@paulwall2891]

We don’t need to find who’s right, we need to find the truth

[@hongobongo8069]

The truth is being censored because it dissents the narrative that social media pushex

[@_danvasco]

Preech Mcott

[@REG3305]

Problem is when you have a whole group of people saying that I can be born a man with a penis, choose to be a woman the next hour, then choose to be a man the next hour, and then choose to be a f****** deer an hour after that, one side of this equation has gotten completely away from any sense of Truth.

[@borutopicks2076]

if u want truth, u cant censore..because u only be expose by one side, insted of seing both sides and make up your mind which one is giving truth.

[@kedabro1957]

@@REG3305 The consequences of that on your life are nil. So stop having an opinion about it.

[@Kfregeau29]

I really like the exchange of ideas here. I wish we could replicate this civility in everyday online interactions.

[@RetrievL]

@Mike H up until his recent videos

[@GabiN64]

Debates still happen lmao

[@jamesregiste960]

But Rohan is still repeating the rights ,"Censorship" Bullshit!

[@notbrucewayne4235]

None of their views are extreme opposites from each other, both of them are more on less in a similar position on the political spectrum.

[@yusufcagowayne1990]

- Moves to Texas to escape California's policies - Vote for the same exact policies in Taxes or any red states

[@crzxm]

Here in South Texas, most are very similar to Cali but they don't vote. I like Texas as a red state but I'd like it more with marijuana legalization.

[@alfbeef5880]

While all the Greenie Weenies and leftist move out of California conservatives are going to move back and take back there state..

[@Blade12323]

He's gunna move to a liberal city, not some backwards ass city

[@jppalm3944]

Like Colorado

[@heidi7151]

Joe's not moving to Texas. Celebs aren't flying to Texas to do the show.

[@super117knight]

We just need another youtube But like old youtube Where u just find everything

[@stokesseegers5012]

I remember when KZbin literally had two pages of videos. I watched every video on KZbin one afternoon. I uploaded a video to KZbin before there was a million videos on KZbin. I hate KZbin now, if something comes along tomorrow that's even close to the original KZbin, I will walk away from KZbin and never look back.

[@imtiyangerlkr9341]

You can't find sht on KZbin these days.You can't even find by the typing the name of the channel you are looking for if the channel is "controversial".I literally had to copy link a video from my browser to find it on youtube.

[@alfonsoprado2884]

.. now you can't even see everyone's comments..

[@hateyouifyoukillme]

Google got big because it just seemed to know what you were looking for. You would type "that bald guy with a large podcast" and you'd find Joe Rogan. That exceptional technical quality has made them really good at hiding things, so now even if you search something like Steven Crowder change my mind you might not find it.

[@Onishiro]

B I T C H U T E It's growing in popularity and most youtubers use it as a mirror, with some making exclusive videos there. All it really needs is a theater mode, live streaming (coming soon), and more bigger youtubers to make it their primary platform.

[@ilanjuve]

Joe after the Spotify contract is going down hard on KZbin and they deserves this.

[@meinking22]

I hope Joe goes hard for months and without lube.

[@newagecinematics]

KZbin has been doing this for a long while now and not just censoring, but also other shit that they are doing

[@tomsatos9607]

Yes he should, but let's not forget that Spotify does the same and even worse to artists.

[@cooliipie]

Nice!

[@cooliipie]

Spotify banned Alex Jones though

[@bakusbakul4327]

David Packman’s takes have aged incredibly well 😆

[@muttsnuts5849]

I know, complete fool

[@undercoveragent9889]

03:30 directly contradicts you. The videos Pakman wants banned were right about children. Funny how both he and Joe agree that we shouldn't be concerned about child-protection in case someone gets protective over actual children.

[@stivosimz]

His viewpoints have actually aged horribly.

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

He’s still pushing the bullshit narrative. He’s a disingenuous clown🤡

[@psychonautpupildiallater7734]

@@stivosimz 😉👍checks out!

[@johnbee4557]

david parkman is a liar. i used to watched his podcast regularly but than he started going left and saying censoring is a great thing 🤦🏽‍♂️ he disappointed me significantly

[@adamsmith-sm8lh]

You think he is a liar cause you disagree with what he has to say. The problem with left or right wing politics.

[@boofert.washington2499]

@@adamsmith-sm8lh I think he is liar bc he passes off opinions as fact. That's not how any of this works.

[@kravvormagagor9595]

He's very hard to even watch. He's knowingly and intentionally dishonest. plus if his eyes were any closer they be touching which makes it hard to look at him anyways.

[@kravvormagagor9595]

@@adamsmith-sm8lh no he thinks he's lying because the things he's saying aren't true. There's nothing partisan about that

[@jerryselby7160]

Survival ,. If you are ambitious but not principled enough or creative enough - you capitulate

[@myasbias7517]

Alex Jones: “Joe s going to war against KZbin censorship” Tim pool: “Joe called me it’s fake news” , 24 hours later Joe debates DP on KZbin censorship haha

[@sniklenave6557]

Joe is just trying to save his ass till he officially makes the move over to Spotify. He wouldn’t go out of his way to allow Alex to report on joe leaving KZbin because of censorship if he actually wasn’t taking a stance to fight this. And he hasn’t stopped talking about tech censorship since this happened... coincidence?

[@hendryde-lux4287]

Garlic Bread!

[@Justin-bo5pg]

Going to war and being against censorship isn't the same thing.

[@DuckiesDad08]

Praying no one actually calls this man “DP”.

[@JFKjr-gp7lf]

Pool is an idiot

[@pietrot.8780]

There's a guy from Spotify pulling Joe's headphones off screen

[@jibrankhantareen7300]

No the wire is stuck under the $100 million cash pile

[@saadwaheed465]

bruh he is 100 million richer he should have had some better headphones LMAO

[@angelodedio9318]

HAHAHA I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.. I SAID SOMEONE IS TRYING TO TELL JOE TO STOP SAYING SMART THINGS HAHA GOOD EYES

[@briankeogh335]

Jibran Khan Tareen after taxes worst case he’s 50 million richer but 100 million sounds a whole lot nicer

[@davidjd123]

Brian Keogh he got 200 mill actually so he did get 100 mill after taxes

[@CrayolaCoffeeBean]

I love this conversation! Great points made

[@jnthngrntbrln]

Current Stress Level: Joe Rogan’s Headphone Cable

[@Jdalio5]

Spotify announcement... Jamie's fired...no on ee's around to keep joe life in order.

[@buckethat789]

Jamie is holding the other end

[@stevus23]

Underrated comment Hahaha

[@xray4720]

Lol

[@lukedavis4427]

That's all I can look at right now

[@ivanzabala7549]

Rogan totally going to war with KZbin as he tells us he’s NOT going to war with KZbin 😂😂😂

[@barebasics]

He’s doesn’t care anymore that 100 million plus he’s getting from Spotify has got him feeling brave

[@JacquesBB420]

Alex Jones

[@chiuansheng]

the art of war! All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable.

[@aim4dabush891]

He's not going to war with KZbin he is just saying that it isn't fair that someone sits there and decides who can post a video or not. He just wants it to be fair across the board.

[@87villain]

He's such a safe guy huh

[@djatlasmusik]

STOP REGULATING PEOPLES SPEECH!! SIMPLE THATS ALL U NEED TO SAY

[@drgonzo4714]

It's for your safety. You're welcome.

[@michaelknight2897]

Agreed, however, yoou dont have to promote it, monitize it, etc.

[@joelo3527]

look, another 4chan

[@anarchoaristocracy8368]

@@michaelknight2897 You shouldn't monetize speech? Should podcasts be illegal?

[@anarchoaristocracy8368]

@@drgonzo4714 What danger is there to letting people think for themselves?

[@cuposooth4820]

8:20 So he's making the argument that that Conservatives want a regulation against infringement against their rights, but don't want regulations that infringe on their rights. And he is calling that hypocritical. Talk about cyclical leftist logic.

[@GenXDaddyO]

No, he’s making the argument that it’s hypocritical of conservatives when they say baker’s ought to be able to decide who they will and will not make a wedding cake for, but then demand that the government force Twitter/KZbin/Facebook to accept any and all content.

[@cuposooth4820]

@@GenXDaddyO The government is directing and subsidizing censorship, after privatizing the public square. So, no. It's not.

[@L.I.2RVA]

@@GenXDaddyO 👍🏽💯🔥

[@Zen-t2j]

@@GenXDaddyO because these platforms apparently claim they're a public utility but don't want to be treated like one

[@Meni69]

The CDC changed their tune on surface transmission. If a video pointed that out a week ago, KZbin would remove it.

[@MarioGoatse]

That’s how science works. New information can and should invalidate earlier information if it’s proven to be accurate. KZbin isn’t perfect, but they’ll eventually catch up to the new information.

[@WeebDweebTCG]

They said that it is more likely to be spread person to person. Research proves that the virus can live on cardboard for 24 hours, copper for 4 hours etc.

[@taylorbarney1772]

nagoL no, science isn’t speaking out of your ass. It’s based on empirical evidence and the WHO and CDC have been equating Hypotheses to peer reviewed research. Opinions from top scientists are still opinions until backed by science. You can mock televangelists but blindly believing a person without peer reviewed data is the cult of the blind.

[@scottwasson]

You’re misunderstanding the situation because it’s more complex and nuanced than Masks are 100% / Masks are useless. It’s not binary. All the information is balanced out. Safe to go out, doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe. They never said surfaces were a way the virus spreads easily. And they're not saying it can't be spread that way at all now. They said before it can spread on surfaces. And now theyre saying it doesn't spread easily on surfaces, as we've learned more.

[@Shawn_White]

The CDC is not the WHO so youtube might still remove it.

[@lennonryan6621]

he dodged the project veratis question by bringing up something negative about them and then changes subject

[@itcheebeard]

And conveniently forgets the details of whatever incident he was using as his argument. Such a hack.

[@thewinterwoods]

Project Veritas literally just lies and scams organizations and people for a living to try and make liberals look bad. That is all they do, and nothing they do is remotely honest. Look them up on Google.

[@MichaelCorleone365]

“Look it up on google” 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@brians2811]

Nathan Resick you are totally off here. Veritas videos use a practice that used to be common in journalism. Shining a light on what is actually happening behind the scenes. Capturing people’s words and actions in live videos. No way to deny it. Plus the 8+ year old law suit Pakman mentioned wasn’t even deceptive, PParenthood was just able to sue them due to a technicality because the undercover video was in a state where there was limitations on what could be shot without consent if it wasn’t in a public place, etc. Even that deflection was BS.... and notice he completely changed the subject after. Lastly, shame on him for purposely not watching the Veritas videos. It is part of your profession and you are putting your head in the sand. Stop being an NPC, open your eyes and if you don’t like the Veritas video or can fault it afterwards then debate it then. What a beta, out of touch, bubble boy.

[@Sprite_525]

Nathan Resick - they’re not liars. They DO lop-sided work, exposing people only on the left. That’s the major problem, that they don’t expose people on the right. If they did equal coverage on both sides, they would be much harder to dismiss. Right wingers give a knee jerk response “Veritas has no agenda the left is just that corrupt.” Please, the right has its problems. The fact that project Veritas ignores the right is the real killer of their credibility. But not “lies”, they expose people through raw footage. It’s not wise to label Veritas as liars. Much better to say they’re lopsided activists using raw footage for political change rather than practicing pure philosophical truth & honesty for its own sake

[@aceofwizardsnephelite829]

"But...my side is in control of the censorship"

[@DarthQueefious]

One of the problems with removing videos like that Dr. Eriksen one which has flaws in it is that any critique of the video, eg. Brett/Heather Weinstein's, loses its context which means the flaws never get exposed. Censorship doesn't just stop bad or flawed ideas it stops good rebuttals. Basically it erases the chance of people/society to learn and improve their/its reasoning skills. It's no coincidence that censorship-heavy countries lose their creativity and ingenuity.

[@joethestrat]

Well said.

[@fouronesix8294]

Well put! Never thought of it like that

[@RaveSault]

Does that make China a big fat anomaly?

[@jerryselby7160]

Yes - if you can control the ‘Production of Knowledge’ then you control the people and can determine their destiny..

[@jerryselby7160]

RaveSault China steal all its creations - they have their foot in every knowledge production system in the west.

[@jablamo]

did Joe ever let packman say anything?

[@theletterm1787]

No

[@marcodenuzzio441]

Yes unfortunately

[@That.One.Guy.66]

It's his show. If Joe was on Packman's show he'd let him talk more. If you watch enough Podcasts you'll notice this mostly consistent trend.

[@jablamo]

@@That.One.Guy.66 So hosts do all the talking while guests sit there and listen? You must be a producer?

[@That.One.Guy.66]

@@jablamo Nope. That's not what I said. It's called respect. If you watch enough Podcasts you'll see there are unwritten rules. Besides Joe Rogan never claimed to be perfect or even a professional at conversating.....but he must be pretty good at it.

[@wbigbenw2213]

joe with that hundred mil maybe invest in headphones with a longer cord.

[@Not_Your_Usual_Username]

Lol

[@Geezez83]

😂🤣

[@earymagic]

KZbin comments never fail man 😂😂😂

[@carljohnson6264]

It’s to keep him from floating away from that Kush

[@Cosmicvocal]

😂😂

[@BGWhite-sb8is]

He’s such a weasel in every way. Joe: Valid Point David: Yeah but the person who said that is bad. Joe: Another valid point. David: Yeah but the person who said that is a hypocrite. Never addresses the point. Just shifts the framing.

[@CTViewer07]

A classic woke SJW defense, just move the goal posts!

[@laburnibyboone3435]

He is a typical weasel like all the censor fans. Biased hypocrite.

[@onefortheroad6186]

Im so glad I visited the comments section of this video. I gave this shit bird a chance after hearing he was reasonable but he is just another sissy that cant handle challenged.

[@ilikethatboulder.thatisani5496]

Neoliberals and right wingers for ya

[@ScorpionXII]

I found no such exchange in this video. David Pakman's overall position is correct; tech companies have an establishment bias, not much of a political bias. Establishment media like FOX News and CNN get propped up, while independent media get buried. David is also correct that the disproportionate censorship of conservatism on most platforms is due to conservatism's incompatibility with any sort of moderation; for example... if Twitter for whatever reason decides to ban 5G conspiracy content, 90% of the people effected by this ban will be conservatives. Now you can disagree with their decision to ban 5G conspiracy content, but the point here is... there's no actual way to ban 5G nuts that will result in an equal distribution of of bans between left and right, therefore Twitter is given two choices... no moderate at all, or moderate in such a way that disproportionately effects conservatives.

[@bradcarpenter1881]

How about NO ONE determines or censors what they believe we need to believe or think, or who to vote for, what the hell happened to the belief of free thought and healthy debate?!

[@vincentchase9534]

Political correctness and extremely left leaning media happened.

[@juangouveia8098]

yes, so easy. the solution is just to do nothing. dont censor anything. people can decide for themselves

[@paulwall2891]

Exactly

[@Tyson2busy]

Leftist fear debate,...because reason and logic are not as important to them as feelings and ideology.

[@travisbiles1801]

If you do not conform, you are viewed as an invalid and burden to the State.

[@fricardo3]

We need more of this… when Rogan sits with crazy people, unfortunately he very quickly goes along. But when dealing with intellectually honest people, he really adds so much value and is able to present reasonable counterarguments.

[@conservaliberal]

that is the core problem with rogan. you point is spot on. well done!!

[@Unvaccinated69]

Pakman isn't intellectually honest

[@conservaliberal]

just factually?@@Unvaccinated69

[@ireckon7351]

This guy is the epitome of a weasel.

[@xsabirx]

They’re both weasels

[@BaronSaturday66]

@@aarondavid826 Because Pakman will dismiss any and all conspiracies.... all in favor of the establishment. He is very much a shill.

[@benny360]

Baron Saturday well most conspiracy theories are BS.

[@CeeBarrio1]

Gargoyle

[@deepseathriver6400]

We can already see the sheeple/effects of the left rewriting history online lol its crazyyyy and its only going to get worse

[@ErockedYa]

When did David become a doctor?

[@crzxm]

When we clicked, he put his doctor hat on.

[@TruckerJenkins82]

When he started playing 'devils advocate ™ after reaching into his bag of gimmicks.

[@jimboslice450]

All censorship is bad. End of story

[@crzxm]

I agree.

[@Fanectric]

Hear hear

[@wuziwu8148]

Hate crimes/speech is bad, Pro terrorism is bad, Propaganda is bad (and deceitful).

[@milkmaster87]

Child pron?

[@keto3883]

it s not though. It s just impossible to draw a clear line and the who wantsa to be in in charge is probably the wrong person :-) ... not censoring is the best solution we have.

[@Don-ej7co]

Rogan you are too smart and precious to devote your time to this guy.

[@MrWingedRanger]

Joe PLEASE get a longer headphone cable.

[@catpet9201]

Hahahah

[@andys.channel]

Wow well spotted

[@Brandon-nz7pd]

Lmao this is great

[@alexleonee]

Not many people know this, but Joes headphone cord is actually a leash being held by Susan Wykowski.

[@BradPitbull]

Start a GoFundMe for him He cant afford a new cord

[@9OrangeKush9]

This is the type dude who will fight his mother for disrespecting his wife's boyfriend

[@imtiyangerlkr9341]

Lol that's sad.

[@andrewfrey5562]

Mom, he works with charities back off.

[@nickking-edwards9301]

🤣😂😭

[@codybeach989]

Haha had too think about that for a second

[@beboprocksteady9065]

👌👌👌

[@wolflinkin]

David is disingenuous with his arguments.

[@andybaldman]

How, exactly?

[@sled_dog_gaming3566]

@@andybaldman well one example is how he told Joe that he agreed with him on freedom of expression, then proceeded to defend censorship. Pretty obvious wouldn't you say? I love people that ask their cute little "gotcha" questions....

[@ScorpionXII]

@@sled_dog_gaming3566 One can be in favor of free speech while also believing that death threats, slander, libel, defamation, and incitement ought be regulated. Also... David makes clear that he believes social media censorship is a problem, he just correctly believes that social media platforms are private companies, therefore their users are subject to their ToS, no matter how ad hoc they may be. David has proposed a solution... he believes that social media platforms could be regulated as public utilities.

[@trailersfromhell2539]

@@ScorpionXII Funny, that's one of the right wing solutions to solving censorship. Aren't they kind of already regulated as a public utility in the sense that they are seen as a publisher and not a platform, which removes them from legal actions? The other solution would be to have them classified as publishers, so they would be subjected to libel and defamation laws they are currently protected from. That would destroy them.

[@ScorpionXII]

@@trailersfromhell2539 No... abolishing aspects of private enterprise to ensure social justice is by definition a left wing proposition. The right wing position throughout history on issues like this is... the gay wedding cake argument; which is that Twitter is a private company, therefore they have the right to deny service to those with differing beliefs.

[@derickm17]

Boy, have we learned a lot since this video..

[@justindchaney]

This guy is openly admitting that he’s going to vote for Joe Biden. I rest my case.

[@landonic81]

He also pees while sitting down. Sad

[@grudge7719]

Listen fat, vote for the other guy... My wife's my sister - Joe Biden

[@ben31uk]

Justin Chaney America is totally screwed if Biden wins. Watch out for voter fraud. Trump isn't perfect but he's more perfect than old man Biden

[@ThresholdGaming]

You don't have a case to be rested...lol

[@blindeagleace3629]

@@ben31uk You realize Trump votes by mail. Right?

[@RadicalNuance]

$100M deal but no headset extension cord

[@stayingloyaltonaymencke606]

True

[@Vemrah]

Oh man this is genius !

[@stephenpeter8350]

iveda man now you’ve pointed that out it’s all I can focus on. So annoying

[@scientistsbaffled5730]

Lol

[@tikari3987]

One of the best if not the best arguments Rogan ever made. When Rogan makes a stand it is for a good reason.

[@Andre-oc7gg]

Dont you just love the fact that he's sticking it to them?

[@alphadexxa]

Or is it that he's taking a stand on an issue you agree with?

[@TechProFury]

@@alphadexxa you mean the constitution. Yea real Americans fight for it.

[@imrankazzy9076]

Rogan made terrible points tbh

[@imrankazzy9076]

Sean Potter also youtube is not just for the US so why would everyone expect special treatment just for the states

[@propositionjohnston]

In an era of Trump turmoil, I find Pakman’s reasonableness very soothing!

[@JoeRobertsPersonalpage]

Sounds like old uncensored Joe is getting ready for Spotify...

[@oldmanwinter3597]

Spotify has a "Strategic Partnership" with Tencent, who are basically the Chinese communist party. Joe has sold himself into censorship.

[@morimoko]

@@oldmanwinter3597 ffs we keep catchin Ls all damn fuckin day.

[@nightcrawler8534]

@@oldmanwinter3597 i think tencent is the strategic partner of spotify only in china...maybe i am wrong.

[@gnielsen07]

OldManWinter that same Tencent has invested millions into Reddit. Makes sense

[@ddog210]

Seems like this guy loves the censorship going on.

[@jcdenton8294]

Anyone who disagrees with me is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded area bro

[@jcdenton8294]

A small bakery has no right to refuse service to someone for ideological reasons, but a multi-billion dollar company can gag hundreds of thousands of people because it's their right!

[@countpicula]

I mean, packmen is a commie.

[@kylespade5958]

Don't know who he is but he gives me a "My wife's boyfriend will beat you up." Kind of vibe.

[@danzoil]

@@jcdenton8294 Works the other way around too. Do you think a bakery has the right to serve who they wish? and if so, how do you justify youtube not being allowed to do the same?

[@jameskarl8736]

This dude is literally a democrat talking point he isn’t objective

[@jasoneves140]

Wow! Your smart aren’t you? Yes he is literally a Progressive Democrat and has always argued for Progressive Policies. Jesus Christ what do you say when you see Charlie Kirk or Dave Rubin on a podcast?

[@joethestrat]

Yeah, he is lmao.

[@VODZ]

@@jasoneves140 I think you can be a progressive and still be able to find fault with the DNC, i think what James is saying is that David is a sock puppet. Now what hole does the hand go up?

[@miterbenisdurty3862]

@@jasoneves140 triggered

[@StringSlingerSix]

Jason Eves don’t use the word “smart” if you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”

[@jasonlarsen3515]

David’s wearing a size small shirt and it still looks big

[@vanessaspeaks]

28:26 You do have a right to speak at a school if it’s a public school and you’re invited by a student. That’s why instead of trying to ban them, they’ve shifted to charging the speaker outrageous fees for “security” in order to prevent them from speaking.

[@landonic81]

I wanna have your baby

[@DJMixxwell]

I love how he’s going at KZbin after his contract with Spotify went public 😂👌🏻

[@CJL7777]

Burning the house down

[@kimurarc7245]

And posting it on KZbin 😂😂

[@mrnigga3429]

He’s been publicly against KZbin’s censorship ever since they took down the video of the two doctors

[@qarcon3247]

@@mrnigga3429 exactly Rogan has been saying KZbin is shit for years. But everyone is still whining why he shouldn't leave KZbin

[@DJMixxwell]

cashh_fetishh Defiantly! But now it just seems different because there’s absolute no fucks given now. Before young Jamie would maybe stop him or joe would stop himself on certain things, videos and audio being played or said. It could be just me 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@RuthlessMenace]

This video was demonetized. Admit it Joe. You’re telling KZbin to shove it. Rightfully so.

[@brrr8963]

Relax, incel

[@RetroRecounts]

How do you know it was demonetized?

[@rryan5888]

@vbg 348 you think way too small

[@Iamnickdude09]

vbg 348 Schaub said that number is way off. From the way he was speaking it seems like Rogan is making a much bigger number than that.

[@Sir.VicsMasher]

If Joe was doing that than he would have invited Covid 19 doctors that are questioning the narrative instead of bending the knee. Joe has the power to blow this wide open but he's been avoiding it.

[@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078]

17:30 .. Wowww. -David Pakman makes an assertion about why he doesn’t trust Project Veritas -He cites “something that happened years ago”. -When mildly questioned about that alleged incident, he provides no factual information to back up why he feels the way he does. I wish Joe would have pressed him harder on that.. bc that interaction is this interview’s Bari Weiss “Assad toady” moment.

[@chrisbrownlov1]

He doesn't watch their stuff because they were dishonest..yet in his show he constantly uses sources that consistently report dishonestly

[@5atoru]

Project Veritas is a scam and bullshit

[@EricK-td9eh]

Pakman is a weak beta!

[@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078]

@@5atoru Sure it is

[@faceless_lurker]

he immediately categorized it as "disinformation"....

[@deepseathriver6400]

That's how they get programmed. They just regurgitate on demand

[@todd-617]

He said on the outset, "Let me play devils advocate"

[@scrout]

Joe "my headphone cord is too short" Rogan

[@scrout]

Joe "I feel like I am on a short leash" Rogan

It bothers me soooo much

Ill start a petition for him to switch to bluetooth

[@ethanniedorowski6020]

It's on a pull cord ... so it dosen't get in his way

[@rickskaggz4485]

Jesus Christ..I'm dead right now lol

[@alexanderlee6010]

Joe: “you have to be a moron to think the earth is hollow” Eddie bravo has entered the chat:

[@apache8795]

Six moon landings

[@brownman248]

I wonder if Eddie ever gets offended when Joe mentions flat earth with other interviews

[@maciej214]

It's a fish eyed lense bro!

[@Bootieblastin]

Look into it

[@BentReality.369]

The earths isn't hollow!!!??? Then why are they so many manholes covers?Tell me people "Why"@!!!!! And yes there aliens under them you can hear them hissing and splashing.

[@theboss4359]

Why did this full episode get deleted

[@fullthrottlemaxrpm]

This guy is so full of BS

[@johnnyt3707]

Which guy and why/how? Do you not agree that you should be able to say whatever you want on KZbin as long as it’s not a call to action.

[@usa5439]

@@johnnyt3707 I believe in that and every american should too. Its freedom of speech

[@andybaldman]

I know, Joe is a moron.

[@lattalover]

@John Smith my man Dave 😂

[@timgroen1995]

@Odins Spear what does him being jewish have to do with it?

[@user-xj8mn8mp1r]

Pakman says one thing, joe corrects him, pakman "totally agrees" .

[@massn1990]

To be fair, he is stating several times that he is playing devil’s advocate

[@wes4192]

@@massn1990 He's Jewish

[@GGtheRealest]

It's double talk. No real agreement or disagreement, and it's just easier for him to move forward and it's the listener's job to figure out where the fuck this guy stands.

[@jeremyfoster8726]

@Harry Lord More reason to consider conservatives the enemy. They're anti-Semitic trash.

[@slitherelaine9808]

Harry Lord So? Being a racist is for losers who’s only achievement in life is being born a certain color. If your only argument against David Parkman is that he is Jewish, you got nothing. You’re not smart enough to actually refute him when he is wrong. (Which he is)

[@jameylbj]

Alex Jones gonna be joe’s first guest

[@katiemccreath7751]

According to Alex Jones...

[@Slayer8957]

Alex jones is banned on spotify too tho...

[@spinofthewheel5345]

Musk is a puppet

[@jameylbj]

Slayer8957 go to timcast irl Joe said Alex gonna be the first one then Elon

[@concretechef9904]

Why can't I find this episode

[@rickrouse7865]

KZbin: "What do I have to do not to get banned?" Spotify: "Welcome to Spotify how can we help you?"

[@BlyGuy]

Liking for your fat Sal pic. Considering the many mutual friends, I am really surprised none of the Jokers have ever been invited on the JRE, particularly Sal and Quinn.

[@rickrouse7865]

@@BlyGuy fat sal is a meme we will never let die. everywhere you go there shall be a fat sal waiting for you.

[@yakojjy]

Spotify will be there soon enough. They're in the early days of what youtube was. Once they get enough investors and advertisers they'll be beholden to the same market forces.

[@rawereawera]

@@yakojjy not necessarily. Spotify's revenue is like 80% from subscribers where KZbin is almost entirely advertisements. They can afford to be more customer focused where KZbin has to adhere to the advertising company's/narrative. Plus spotify isn't a US based company (Swedish I think?) and news coverage in the European countries is held to a different and higher standard than in the US.

[@kenea3226]

@@yakojjy Yep.

[@alexanderhamilton9685]

I vote you get Ben Shapiro and David Pakman to debate with Joe as the moderator.

[@TheNewFitness]

Seconded

[@Davidhussey8917]

Thay have debated once on gun control.

[@TpolTime]

Wouldn’t be fair but would be great to watch!

[@mwcool87]

I'd love to see that! Pakman debated Shapiro years ago, it was a very civil discussion.

[@BBpoopin]

@Noah Minteer packman has no arguments? compared to ben "my wife is a doctor and also i talk really fast at college kids" shapiro. THAT ben? the ben that huffed and puffed when a conservative asked him tough questions, who he then accused of being a leftist? THAT ben?

[@telix5000]

David Pakman looks like a guy from the 90's working at Blockbuster Video who really wants you to rent some indie movie you never heard of because he yearns to make any social contact where he's got some knowledge to share with you.

hahahah

[@Newbport849]

Damn, that was good

[@PatrickMHoey]

But just really wants to smugly namedrop half a dozen arthouse directors that “you’ve probably never heard of”.

[@anonnymous9586]

Oddly specific

[@moonboogien8908]

"You ever watch cronenberg, bro?" "Yeah man, naked lunch will blow your mind!"

[@Rebel1280]

This aged like fine wine with all the new info coming out 😂

[@conservaliberal]

what info? joes?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bajskuk]

What info?

[@WannabeShady90]

​@@conservaliberalThe deep state threatening social media to censor more of everything not in line with global elites.

[@c.h.2392]

Joe: literally anything Pakman: yeah, but Trump

[@duckpigs6130]

8:20 man this guy is out of touch, they want their constitutional rights respected

[@franklogrim8510]

Yes, same thought. I was like is he taking the left's ideas and flipping them around? 🤔

[@ll472]

You do realize that the US constitutional right to free speech is about Government Censoring your speech. I didn't realize KZbin was your government body.

[@blindeagleace3629]

I dont think you have a Constitutional right to use a platform. 😂😂

[@banjo4smash862]

@Donald Trump whomever owns the church(that's private property no different from the home you live in) can kick you out, but many priest would be more then willing to debate you on your beliefs. Find me a single church with as many members as youtube or twitter and you might have a point, but as of now the two simply don't compare.

[@banjo4smash862]

@Donald Trump Even if your just an edgelord the priest/pastors of most churches can be very tolerant and would welcome anyone into their community for the betterment of themselves, religions not ALL bad, but there is bad in everything.

[@firebird7479]

I turned this off after 3:15 when Pakman started suggesting that listening to qualified medical people about herd immunity, etc was harmful and can see why they'd be censored. I don't need to hear more after that.

[@hustleup3840]

Firebird 7479 I’m 6 minutes in and I’ve had enough

[@meinking22]

You should have kept listening. The discussion got better.

[@ytuber3801]

Joe nailed him... And he back tracked a bit on the medical stuff

[@danzoil]

Turned it off without debating his ideas? ah, yes, the conservatives strike again with their market place of ideas.

[@joshhedderig2233]

That’s not what he was suggesting. He was commenting on the misinformation that quarantines could be harmful to your immune system , and how that is dangerous because of flat earther types of people

[@buckrogers7115]

Pakman looks like a nurse

[@stevengumble8983]

YT has to either be a publisher or a platform, not both as it suits them.

[@estevenj]

Steven Gumble ... nope. They’re a private company. They can censor whatever they want. The Internet is the platform. That’s the public area.

[@KCroc1]

estevenj Electric water cable Internet social media Companies should all be on the same level If the people working at the electric company are conservative they shouldn’t be allowed and they don’t shut off the electric to Liberal peoples houses it should work the same for social media

[@estevenj]

Kyle Crocker Social Media is a business on the Internet. You can start a social media platform on the Internet for free in a day. Just because KZbin has the most customers doesn’t make it a public utility. You can’t start a power company by yourself...probably ever. But you can spin up a blog and podcast with a payment portal in six hours on free WiFi at Starbucks.

[@PropaneTreeFiddy]

@@estevenj just because they can doesn't mean they should. Nestle's a private company so I guess it's A-OK that they're putting impoverished African babies on formula to make their mothers stop producing milk and grow a reliance on their products. Shitty business practices should be called out, and if they harm the public, or democracy, then I have no objection to government interference in the matter.

[@estevenj]

Propane TreeFiddy don’t bring a straw man argument. Put the keyboard down. We’re talking about what defines a public utility,

[@SauravKumar-st5rs]

I guess Joe is gonna have some crazy guest on Spotify...

[@OscarGonzalezTheRealOne]

David "king of false analogies" Pakman.

[@BornGam3r]

E Z ???

[@francobenevento7598]

David is such a great interviewer that you forget this is Joe's show.

[@bGzzzzz]

At no point did I think this was David’s show. Joe controlled the conversation 🙄

[@terrymckenzie8786]

@@bGzzzzz over control

[@gyberic]

@@bGzzzzz He did and I'm not sure that that benefited the exchange of ideas or value of the conversation...

[@gyberic]

@tylerdurden2490 lol... I'm a communist because I said that Rogan controlled this conversation?

[@Enroxxx]

David Pakman's logical fallacies are embarrassing.

[@taijitu688]

I found it was his use of big words.

[@ejackson9511]

I was loosing faith in Joe the past few weeks but he just redeemed himself.

[@grudge7719]

I'm not buying it.. the shit I seen in the last fight companion was sad

[@johnappleseed8146]

U only like him when he argues from ur side

[@TheEdub.]

"losing"

[@LUckybones25]

I feel the same.

[@streglof]

might as well say: "why don't they just build their own telephone company" "why don't they just start their own banking system"

[@shiftgood]

Horrible analogy. Uploading a video on a website is infinitely easier than building a telephone company.

[@djackson4605]

@@shiftgood still illogical stance. Its when right wing people say if you don't like America just leave... Isn't that ignorant and bizarre? There's no point to alienating anyone, or censoring anyone. We could just accept people are different and that's ok?

[@jarent2652]

@@shiftgood there is vimeo and dailymotion, but they don't pay and that is the reason people dont move to those platforms. It's all about the money, and I wish people would be honest about that

[@colewalton1340]

Starting a multi-billion social media company is no where near comparable to tweeting or uploading a youtube video.

[@bobkebob9980]

@@shiftgood no it's not. The same people who put pressure on to kick you off KZbin also pressure banks and money processors. Hint they are the same ethnicity as David pakman and Susan wojciki and they also own the payment processor companies, and banks. Look into PayPal and how they kick people off as well as stripe.

[@edathompson2]

"The weight of the information out weighs the bullshit" Clearly you don't have talks with everyday people. People buy into emotions over logic 95% of the time

[@slangtang6671]

Yes joe the dr are giving this information but like anything else your right wing supporters will turn what they are saying into what they want to hear. Like anything else.. similar to when colin kapaernick said “im protesting police brutality” and you right wingers started crying about your grand daddies and the flag.

[@slangtang6671]

@Joseph Cash took my rights away? Bruv I was chillen the whole time. Spending more time with my loved ones than i ever have before & stacking in this slavery mindset of a nation... yall are just cry babies.

[@willbeard4835]

Willingly arguing for censorship? Am I stoned or is this real?

[@braveheart4603]

joe is arguing for less censorship and it's the reason cited for his move to spotify while the pakman guy just does his best to rationalise the lefts approach to every single issue.

[@suprememonka8333]

He belongs to a certain interest group which you are not allowed to name...

[@willbeard4835]

Sorry I meant pakman not Rogan. Obviously Rogan isn't for censorship based on this video. Sorry for being confusing I was smoking some BOMB wax. Cheers boys

[@shinyhaunter6019]

@@braveheart4603 The reason he just said he is leaving in this video was because it was a good deal. He did say that he didn't like the censorship on the platform but he specifically said that he was not going to war with anyone or anything so this game of telephone is getting messed up already lol not trying to argue with you just saying that what you are saying is officially incorrect. Also Joe or his guest mentioned that the government is in control or responsible for freedom of speech or rights but I just want to add that's also not even close to being true as the rights are bestowed onto us BY GOD . No one can Amend them or deny any legal us citizens those rights even at the highest offices of government.

[@cccc9911]

@Duffy Duff He is...but he really isnt. If he really was arguing against it, there wouldnt be so many "if's" or "who's". Its simple...allow for regulation on direct threats or doxxing if you want, but everything else goes. Profit & corporations do not matter when it comes to the FIRST amendment. Joe is still playing both sides here...like he does on almost everything.

[@richardparker2555]

I like to add that KZbin, Twitter and Facebook platforms go beyond the US or even English speaking countries. They also give platforms to people in Spanish, French, Italian, German, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, Portuguese, Finnish, Romanian, Slovenian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Somali, Singaporean, Burmese, Lithuanian, Zulu, Trukish, Dutch, Ukrainian, Hungarian, Russian and other non-English speaking communities. Some dictatorships are cracking down on social media platforms because it gives a voice to truly opressed people. By enforcing censorship rules KZbin starts to become an ally of those governments. Also how do we handle international dialogue? Do you let an American own company decide what speech is okay and is in not in other countries? Are American bloggers allowrd to openly disagree and criticize foreign governments and vice versa? Or dose KZbin get to decide whose authority is okay to openly challenge? My point is that social media platforms are having an influnce on the "whole planet", not just the English speaking world. Personally, I think giving companies run by a small group of people the power to decide what speech is okay "globally" is giving someone way to much power.

[@justinm2697]

I forget who it was but someone Tweeted something (in the UK from memory) and Twitter removed it because it violated the laws in another country.

[@suryamallya2933]

Yes the solution is complicated... But we atleast want thing to be moving even if slowly in the right direction... But KZbin is just being dumb

[@ArnoldClarke]

Don’t forget the worlds government uses the whole of the internet to influence / dictate to the world.

[@justinm2697]

@blindben999 Anyone? You know that's not true.

[@spidervenom14]

@@justinm2697 Dude, he's a troll. Don't bother replying to him.

[@DragoonGalaxy7]

GET ALEX JONES ON NOWWWWW. WE NEED HIM NOW MORE THAN EVER

[@zacht1376]

Why? So you can threaten a family who lost their child in a mass shooting again?

[@danzoil]

Alex Jones is mentally ill.

[@ntactime_w3488]

Word on the streets is he will be Joes 1st guest on spotify. Lets hope it’s true

[@RealHIFIHelp]

What a great episode, these 2 guys should do more content together.

[@wick2005]

Understanding Joe's Spotify deal now, at first I was opposed as a long time youtube fan, now I understand and I'll be downloading Spotify. Hopefully spotify will continue to invest in great creators that this platform has forsaken

[@Ryan-vi5mz]

If Spotify means we can get Alex Jones, I’ll switch

[@rgo1991]

yep i was a bit disapointed too but i totally see his reasoning.

[@africaart]

@@Ryan-vi5mz Spotify kicked the freedom fighter Alex Jones off their platform.

[@tobymcgroby8967]

Spotify is great for ps4 gaming too, lots of ads though if you don't subscribe for $10 a month. You can listen to spotify on your ps4 in your 3D headset while you game at the same time, it's fantastic

[@tobymcgroby8967]

@Jeremy Shaffer Who would want an app that starts with bitch lol... I'm jk, I'll look up bitchute, thanks for the tip

[@danb7601]

Guess I'm signing up for Spotify

[@yup9451]

Why doesn't Spotify just start having videos? When Joe moved there I thought they were having a video platform, just to compete hard. Right now, Spotify seems like the only ones who can compete in the first place

[@dogf4ther]

@@yup9451 they are looking into it and looks like coming out this year

[@ang47]

@El Monger your CCP social score has increased

[@yup9451]

@@dogf4ther Holy shit that would be amazing. I'd be gone from YT in a heartbeat

[@thecannon3448]

People are no longer “Free” if we lose Free Speech. What our nation is founded on... free thinking, free ideas, & freedom is what made all the inventions that made this country rich. Take that away and we regress as a society and anarchy is inevitable.

[@pjtufty66]

When i was 18 , i could drink beer legally around the world . How's that freedom doing ?

[@RCorbzz]

Only problem is the internet is world wide. Typical of Americans to see themselves and their rules as being the only ones.

[@NaNo-bx9mj]

I think it's quite sad that too many people believe that they need such a big government to keep themselves in line. I have been through several coups(?) in Thailand and you would be surprised how civil human beings act when they have nobody telling them exactly how to live. Life goes on and flourishes. So maybe anarchy isn't such a bad idea either. Would most likely be an end to constant wars as well.

[@crowbear516]

Anarchy is the result of free thinking. Walk into a forest, and you'll see anarchy. If you're still going to throw around given bastardized definitions of words, you betray your own point.

[@kevinparsley6806]

op - right, the precursor to internet-media, cable tv, was the embodied free speech and everything in the world of computation that we enjoy today would never have existed if that adherence to free speech wasnt so strict... free speech is important, but we've been dealing with censorship for a long time. it is the connectivity of internet-media that is making what has been going on for ages obvious to the world. in other words "the inventions that made this country rich" are exposing the problem that has predated them. people thought there was free speech, but the primary source of all the information they consumed was grossly censored -and actually used to control them more than anything.

[@paulmoulton7248]

Seeing this after 2 years is interesting. What was banned in May 2020 turned out to be correct.

[@malachigrindle7063]

The conspiracy theorists are always right

[@thetruthfromthefuture]

Like what? What was true????

[@paulmoulton7248]

@@thetruthfromthefuture Right out of the gate, in May 2020 a KZbinr (Peal Prosperity) identified, through a scientific paper, that Covid came from lab. I knew it then and watched the Narrative lie consistently from there. Once you see, you can't unsee.

[@thetruthfromthefuture]

@@paulmoulton7248 A KZbinr??? Yikes. Stop forming your world view from KZbin. It's melting your brain.

[@paulmoulton7248]

@@thetruthfromthefuture Ahh, so you still believe the news. Do you still it came from the wet market?