CrossFit: Is It Bad for You? | Joe Rogan and CT Fletcher

[@protoman8284]

Fletcher's voice is what I imagine ancient trees would sound like if they could speak.

[@The-Alarmist]

Voice of an ent from lotr

[@thatguy3718]

Dude sounds like he could play kratos

[@joedyatrandom]

Lmfao

[@n1c704]

He should say “I am groot”

[@ceyf8724]

Best comment

[@sarivata]

When I was a working massage therapist I loved Cross-fit. It kept me in clients like no other self abuse:

[@gigabuyceps]

Exactly, more traumas than mma or any other contact sports😂

[@avegoodtime]

@ cross fit will injure you. Go ahead and get hurt if you want

[@avegoodtime]

@ good for you. I hope you make a lot of gainz while not getting hurt. I suggest you powerlift or bodybuild, but do you, playa

@dale hendricks No I'm not teaching anything and never said I was a Pro. I'm stating a fact, there are risk of injuries on anything. On the other hand, if you need to call me gay cuz you have nothing to say I can see who's the begginer here. An insecure uneducated moron that has no arguments and just a keyboard to hide his frustration. 🤣🤣

[@slayermill8621]

My ex worked for one of the leading spinal surgeons in the country and he said the same thing. Cross fit by itself could keep him employed.

[@carloswilson5581]

CT should do voice acting. He’d be awesome for a video game character

[@Jmatt777]

YESSSSS

[@moegreen1235]

Carlos Wilson he would or like a cartoon movie or something.

[@rhythm0138]

BOIIIIIIII

[@stevenh56]

I feel like he would remind me of Cole train from Gears of War. An absolute legend.

[@ivanpardo1752]

He is perfect for a wise character or an absolute macho men/ high range militar officer

[@ForceOfWill100]

As a working CPT, I'll try my best to make the whole crossfit thing real simple, although Joe did a pretty good job of summing it up. Cleans, jerks, and other Olympic compound lifts are EXTREMELY technical. When doing them for endurance, you are practically guaranteed to have faults in your form on your last few reps, regardless of your conditioning or experience. This of course leads to injury, and unfortunately the team competitive environment of crossfit (while effective at motivating for some) can be seriously detrimental if it forces you to consistently perform these movements well past form breakdown. Stay safe, stay healthy, and always prioritize "better" lifts (form/technique) over "more" lifts (weight and reps).

[@roadstar499]

Yes crossfit is extremely risky and only a few do not get hurt doing it... All over training is harmful...Not sure who got all of it started...

[@PC-xv5uz]

Just dont go heavy

[@zimecka72]

I've experimented with CrossFit before, but not extensively. I try to not life more then I can. Safety is first.

[@incurableromantic4006]

That's a really sound insight - I have to concentrate just to do simple Romanian deadlifts with good form over three sets. Completing whole clean and jerks set after set in a competition sounds like a recipe for getting hurt.

[@fletch2790]

Best summary

[@ryantravis1330]

He sounds like Morgan Freemans dad 😂🤣

[@djmsup]

Lol yes fucking yes

[@Guwopp1900]

@anonymous yes. Its me nigga

[@phillipmccandlessbp]

This guy could replace Morgan Freeman for narrating

[@LLuann]

NASCAR109 The true Heir

[@SFbayArea94121]

NASCAR109 could replace Ice JJ FISH 🐟 also

[@Limescale12]

Kratos

[@Yjkishke]

After he left shawshank

[@davidthompson4381]

THE REALEST SHYT IVE HEARD TODAY!!

[@trippplefive]

"over training is bullshit.. nothing ever happen to me when i over trained" didn't this guy have a heart transplant recently?

[@Sam-vk8xd]

No, that was a different CT Fletcher. 😆

[@stoicape4370]

That's more so from his shitty ass diet and PED use all his life.

[@sabertoothwallaby2937]

Complete idiot

[@yoyomajiin317]

well, test does give you faster recovery, kinda hard to overtrain on steroids

[@beecee5668]

trippplefive that was his diet.

[@hantzleyaudate7697]

Today I learned CT worked at the Post Office.

[@AB-gz9yb]

Hantzley Audate he’s a real og

[@nicholashayden5955]

Seriously! Me too!

[@bak1386]

I have something in common with ct

[@chaseanderson5296]

Couldn't steal a package from CT

[@jygug119]

Me to they are lucky he didn't go postal

[@whiskyngeets]

I did CrossFit for 2 years. Ended up getting the worst exertion headache of my life doing a WOD that had deadlifts as one of the exercises in a circuit. Couldn't train for 6 months at all. Terrible CNS injury. Listen to your body. I pushed beyond where my better judgment said to stop. Haven't been back in a CrossFit gym since.

[@Llucius1]

CrossFit itself is fun in some way , but that is more of a fun game than a way to build yourself. It is just like sport , you don't train during your sport , you train before your games , and during game is fun time.

[@tomscerbo1588]

Your wise man! Know your body!💪🏋️‍♂️👍

[@geovani60624]

I think I overtrained just twice in my life, the first time I thought I was going to die, my heart would not stop beating fast, heavy breathing and headashe

[@LTR1420]

Man, exertion headaches are the WORST! I got one in HS because for whatever reason, our coach had us do 225 squats for a rep max. I didn't breathe properly, almost passed out on the last rep, and when I racked the weight, my head felt like someone drove a nail through my head. I couldn't do anything strenuous for weeks.

[@geovani60624]

@@LTR1420 did something similar when I was younger and stupider, got the same result, didn't work out again for literally years

[@JayT89277]

Wouldn’t overtraining imply that you aren’t getting enough recovery time? Sounds like they’re saying the same thing in the beginning.

[@AmokBR]

They are

[@sheadoherty7434]

@Brian Jones that's why drugs are amazing

[@Bobba8590]

If you wanna overtrain, steroids are the only solution.

[@willmilburn656]

It’s an argument more on, in a perfect scenario you can’t over train, it’s things like dehydration, poor nutrition (too few cals) or injury etc that cause the actual symptoms from over training , not the nature or intensity of the training.

[@Cpt_Crunk]

That's what happens when you only interview gym bros and don't have experts. Steroids

[@dopeburgermike]

Joe "anyways enough about you, I have a freezer full of elk meat in the back" Rogan

[@JohnSmith-be5py]

• • • • 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@TheJDeuce]

LMAO

[@bmillerdrums]

hahahahahaha

[@BatEatsMoth]

Fuck yeah, I'd love for him to share that with me. I got to taste elk and deer growing up; some of the best meat ever.

[@dirtymikeandtheboyz2570]

Lmfaooooooo 😅😂 🤣 good one 👍🏼

[@masternoremac3738]

Crossfit is great for chiropractors...

[@nagantm441]

Since it's a bullshit discipline, any ailment is

[@woozy_deer]

just here to say chiropractors aren't real doctors :)

[@jakeflyheli]

not doctors but they sure help!@@woozy_deer

[@nickpavis3916]

@@woozy_deer no shit? They don't have a medical degree. Its a completley different practice you dumbass.

[@nilyed1]

Jake Keller so you must think two and a half men was a documentary. 😂

[@Don-sc1vz]

Overtraining is real if you are natty.

[@theworldisimmense]

Don Cataldo natty or on steriods . Overtraining is a myth but you could get it if you don’t sleep at least 7 hours every night

[@menzoznem]

Every 4 weeks or so I need 3 full days of rest, because I feel overtrained. After these 3 days my strength has increased. If I do not take the rest, then I feel weaker and weaker.

[@mixalis6168]

Possibly for weak man, but not strong !

[@billyhewitt725]

I dont know im 17 i got to the gym for 7 days a week on fridays and mondays i go twice for 2hr sessions and ive been doing it for 6 months ive only missed about 4 days due to 1 exam and some other things. Just make sure you use creatine and protein shakes after a workout works perfect for me my muscles only ached the first 3 weeks i started but i pushed through that and now im fine

[@NickTheSwordsman]

Billy Hewitt Lmao it’s good you train I wanna encourage you to continue but dude you’re 17 you can already run a mile in like 2 minutes you’re supposed to be durable & fit at that age. Give it time man even you will relate with some the older gentlemen in the weight room.

[@samueladams5243]

The hardest part about doing CrossFit is telling your dad your gay.

[@Lew_si_fir]

Just tell him already, you’ll be ok.

[@logosfaszu]

brilliant

[@suckthesebigirishballs5512]

Matt Fraser says otherwise

[@Sunset309]

💀 💀

[@ABP-z7c]

😂😂😂😂

[@RiderZer0]

I did endurance training for 2 years. It is freaking hard. Threw up every session for the first week and a half. This guy makes a point you do have to have recovery, fueling your muscle recovery is extremely important. One thing though that I think it can be bad for you is your joints. When you’re moving fast and hard and getting tired, it’s very easy to not have proper form and hurt yourself. Also some exercises are really hard on shoulders no matter what.

[@solomonstello]

Nearly threw up last week cause I didn't have enough electrolytes in my system. Drank two quarts of Gatorade after and felt much better.

[@maximusareilius2262]

For really fat people ..WALKING is the best exercise for them. And light lifting at first .

[@lincoln8530]

WIKIPEDIA , absolutely

[@TheOldAmishMan]

Any sustained movement once your are morbidly obese, combined with healthy diet, and you'll drop weight so fucking fast.

[@truenorth5975]

@WIKIPEDIA Plus, if they over do it and have a heart attack, they will float. Cause they are fat.😜

[@mememachine5244]

@@truenorth5975 Float, face down.

[@lennyleonard5926]

Walking is good for anyone not just fat people

[@Skywalker52Blocks]

Reminds me of Ronnie Coleman. It's not bad to be in shape but if it's literally breaking your body long-term give it a rest.

[@ckjaer5288]

Blaze__Skywalker You can be in great shape your whole life, it was the heavy lifting.

[@chrischang4566]

The thing about Ronnie is, it wasn't all the years of heavy lifting that did him in, it was consistently going against doctors orders and hitting the gym immediately after getting out of surgery which is why the screws in his spine kept loosening

[@greatomeister675]

Cus it was his job. Ronnie’s job was to literally get as big as possible lmao.

[@cartoonhanks1708]

@@chrischang4566 not to mention he most certainly took steroids to get as big as he got at his biggest.

[@rpnp2]

Go watch that documentary on Ronnie... Dude's still training and breaking his already broken body. It's an obsession at that point.

[@bluemystic7501]

Over training is the combination of lots of training with not enough recovery time. CT's definition is a little different. He agrees with rest and recovery. (1:22)

[@scienz]

exactly. if you're getting adequate rest, you're not overtraining.

[@metalFOREVERgamer]

Been powerlifting for about 4 years now and tried crossfit for a few months about a year ago. Its hard training and it's crazy intense but there are some things about it that didnt work. The kipping pull ups would hurt my shoulder and the way they did cleans hurt my back. Now I know proper form for both but the trainers who do crossfit push you to your limits and your form goes to shit. I think crossfit style workouts are great if u use the right stuff. I'm not gonna deadlift for as many reps as possible and then go right into box jumps I'm gonna hurt myself. They just gotta leave the power lifts and Olympic lifts out of it and it would be an amazing program.

[@JonJacks]

Sorry to hear that. It sounds like the coaches you had weren't the greatest but I was fortunate enough to have coaches that would spend 5 min going over the movement then another 15-20min of getting everyone in class to do it to the best of their ability.

[@mykedynomite]

I agree. I use to do Crossfit in a box and hurt myself gradually between 2015-2017. After an auto accident and being away from the gym for a year, I started doing WOD's on my own and modifying workouts that I knew hurt me in the past. Ex instead of kipping pull ups I do regular variations of strict and grips. I also use weights I can manage and not the suggested male or female weight suggested amout. I have had zero injuries, I'm 42 and love how I look. I'm not fit enough for competition but I'm not here for that. I'm here to look good in my shirt and on the beach.

[@AllBikesGreatAndSmall]

I agree with everything Joe said. I've trained for over 20 years and never been injured. I gave CrossFit a try for 12 months and suffered back problems, shoulder problems and knee problems to top it off.

[@geovani60624]

the whole package huh? legit crossfit gym you got

[@rjurbano9633]

LMAO or stop ego lifting you bum

[@treefitty937]

A regualr gym and crossfit and completely different. You actually have to know how your body moves with CrossFit

[@PC-xv5uz]

Ur just weak

[@Joe.484]

Yeah I watched a few guys doing "CrossFit" with the absolutely worst technique I've ever seen in my life. They teach this bullshit to men and women who have no experience in weightlifting or other activities. Maaaaaybe you can do CrossFit on a "healthy" level ( lmao ) but then you need to know how to to the exercises in the correct way.

[@yr5994]

Joe “I once did crossfit during my DMT trip” Rogan

[@ohno8569]

Keep being a trendy internet hipster.......

[@evansaber7642]

Dead

[@thedretti21]

LMAO!

[@sawrado375]

CrossFit comes from DMT trip.

[@MrRolyat98]

Omg. Fight gone bad on DMT would be snap/puke city.

[@casonriley9958]

I'd like to see Mat Fraser or Rich Froning on the podcast

[@evansaber7642]

Cason Riley yes!!!!!

[@one4theroad15]

And listen to them say that steroids aren't involved!🤣🤣

[@MrOpticBlade]

Elysian fielder Well that goes for every pro athlete. Everybody says their sport is clean etc

[@one4theroad15]

@@MrOpticBlade well....no, they don't, body building is built on the foundation of steroids, WSM competitors openly admit to it..... so, no....they don't.

[@MrOpticBlade]

Elysian fielder 1st of all bodybuilding isn’t a sport. WSM has drug testing (supposedly) and bans drug use. Every big sport on the planet is anti doping so it would be stupid for an athlete to say they are not natural because their sport would ban them?

[@danielanderson2030]

Too much of anything is too much. Period. Finding the balance is where youll see the best gains.

[@JerseySlayer]

except for heroin

[@unintentionaleffectiveness4393]

No such thing. That’s just what weak people tell themselves to justify taking it easy on certain days. Sounds like a bunch of lazy mofos to me. Some of the best actors are the ones that lock themselves in a room and just become consumed by the characters they are playing. Look up Ronaldo’s training routine and how hard he works every day just to stay in top shape. People want to do something bad enough, they should be allowed to do it. They are grown adults. They should just live with the consequences. I myself have had kidney problems as well as irregular heartbeats. Has that stopped me from doing what I love? No, do I understand something could happen to me? Sure. 31 yrs old and the body of a 22 yr old. I don’t care. I use to do it because I had a horrible image of myself but now I do it only because it became normal to do it. Even though it’s rigorous. So yeah, I don’t subscribe to the “normal” way of doing things. We aren’t all the same, we don’t all want the same and we all aren’t genetically the same. So it’s ok if you want to stop. I’m just saying we shouldn’t judge the ones that decide to go beyond.

[@Mr2001ghost]

One day off a week is all you need.

[@michaelmiller7909]

@@unintentionaleffectiveness4393 31 with the body of a early 20s just shows how easy of a life you've had. Not that it's not such a bad thing. However, there are some of us 31 year olds that are still in shape, but have back and joint issues from some time in an Marine Corps infantry battalion. A shoulder that pops out of socket if you sneeze too hard yet can still military press no problem. ringing in your ears, a shut down gall bladder and stomach issues from too much ibuprofen in service (cause ib800 plus water are the universal cure for everything), etc,. All the while feeling like you're 70 at the end of a typical day.. any real hard charger will tell you you take the opportunity to rest any chance you get. If you're not sleeping or eating well, all the trips to the gym don't mean shit. Life isn't an anime where you can just struggle harder and scream really loud to get to the next level. Every human body works in essentially the same way and if it's not fed the proper nutrients and given the right amount of rest. It will never reach maximum potential. I've had kidney stones and an irregular heartbeat isn't a big deal unless it's pushing the limits of vfib/afib. Talk all the trash you want about "lazy mofos" that take a day and work certain muscle groups in sequenced intervals so as to not over work them. I wouldn't consider the Rock a lazy mofo because he takes a day just like I wouldn't consider some loud mouth wannabe hardass to be the "go to" on any subject other than how burdensome it is to be stupid and egotistical at the same time.

[@buttzkrieg3919]

I inhale my own protein farts so I dont lose any gains

[@sirtimothy92]

I did CrossFit once......then my wife left me and my friends stopped seeing me.

[@martinkulik9466]

Sir Timothy why

[@sirtimothy92]

@@martinkulik9466 it was an experience...........just like college

[@matthewlakajev]

I’m a CrossFitter and loving these comments 🤣

[@flabio7074]

Be honest. You’ve never been with a woman.

[@MoeinthePhilippines]

@@matthewlakajev You just wait until... *_your wife leaves you and your friends stop seeing you!_*

[@jpearson311]

I agree with the Olympic movements being only used for power. Turning a snatch into an endurance exercise will turn your shoulder and hip capsules into ground beef in no time. I played college football and our clean reps never exceeded five reps, but our overall workouts were just as hard as anything else out there. You'd leave the gym swolt af from your neck to your calves. Miss those days.

[@sislam9633]

This guy has a heart transplant and still has a better body than me, no cap

[@giovanniortega9845]

And 60 years old... fuck!

[@stillmatic03]

I mean he did break weightlifting records decades before he had the surgery... he’s actually not as big as he used to be then

[@espada9]

Juiced up guy with show muscles.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

@@espada9 He was strong as fuck with all different lifts and had endurance to spare. Envy is an ugly thing.

[@crispy4797]

Steroids help

[@SupplementalSense]

Doing 6 reps with correct form will always be more effective than doing 20 reps with poor form.

[@notfortheclout1181]

6 reps and 20 reps would give completely different results. Good form is different than rep amount. But point taken. Proper technique and form is what matters.

[@marvindelmas5732]

That's not necessarily true.

[@edgardflores4992]

i think most cross fit places try to teach good form but it takes time and they just “throw” you into their work outs

[@notfortheclout1181]

@@edgardflores4992 any where you're just thrown in. Just use light weights. At least if there's an instructor, they should help. You're lucky to get a trainer at a gym. At least one that consistently helps. (Without spending extra)

[@edgardflores4992]

Notfor Theclout well from what i’ve experienced, i did crossfit for three months and i definitely became stronger just lifting at the gym it puts too much strain on your body perhaps it’s different for other crossfit gyms maybe mine wasn’t a good one but you are just thrown in there you don’t really get to pace yourself and find out what you yourself need they give everyone the same workout and there’s no way they can check everyone’s form and make sure you’re doing things properly because the classes are big; about 20-30 people a day whereas at the gym you decide i like that better

[@keyboardbeats]

Damn glad to see C.T. Doing good, damn I can see obviously C.T. Is just being cordial with Joe, I remember they had some tension with each other!

[@rayc7725]

After many years of gyming, kickboxing, running competitively and never developing any serious injuries, in six months at CrossFit I blew out my back once (deadlifts) and my shoulder twice (muscle ups). Sure, I get that my technique was to blame, but I’d never injured myself before trying CrossFit ..

[@BenchSandwich]

I think the idea makes sense, in execution it’s a little dicey sometimes.

[@elfrankito8890]

Doesn't believe in over training, had to get a new heart

[@pieguywithafry]

He was eating Big Macs and cokes everyday for like 20 years working out didn’t fuck his heart

[@paulden3158]

@@pieguywithafry No the cokes, big Macs and steroids did

[@Tomiply]

@@paulden3158 That's what Jordan said.

[@stjfv01]

You realize he has a family history of heart conditions, that he is already predetermine to like face; right?

[@gerardoroman1180]

Frank nunez eres un soberano pendejo

[@Ebone93]

Is crossfit bad for you? Watch the last 1/5th of this video to not find out

[@thehumanbackpack6374]

Yes it is they focus on high intensity workouts and exercise at the expense of good form and proper muscle movements for example crossfit "pull ups" are all swinging which in the way they do it is terrible for your rotator cuffs and don't get me started on there deadlift form lol

[@kings9634]

I know right I’m like wtf 🤔

[@CwBDaveis.716]

It's a 5 minute video clip lol How fucking impatient can a human be?

[@callsofscv]

CrossFit as a daily practice? I do not see a problem. People taking shortcuts and trying to be Rich Froning on day 20 of CrossFit? Yes. That’s a problem.

[@seandlax9]

It is. One of the highest injury rates of all the workout regimes, and it's terrible on your joints. Olympic lifts are not meant to be done lightweight to infinity, but rather heavy with low reps to stimulate explosiveness. The guys who win those Crossfit competitions, including the guy they talk about in this video, don't even do Crossfit most of the year, opting towards more traditional strength and endurance training.

[@mindsetist]

The problem with crossfit is the competitive nature of it. The main problem is that it largely appeals to people who are new to fitness. Also, a lot of the crossfit trainers are very negligent and don't make sure that their clients have the movements perfected before throwing weight around. Crossfit can be great if done properly but much of the time it isn't. That's what you get though when it takes a weekend to get certified. A Crossfit certification should ONLY be a specialization. If you come across a crossfit trainer with no other actual accredited personal trainer credential I suggest walking the other direction; working with them will most likely hurt you. That's my qualm with crossfit. I have also seen a lot of PTs that have no place of training people but less injuries. My suggestion is to do your homework of proper lifting techniques from a credible source (not Instagram) before getting a trainer. That way you will have an idea if they know what they are talking about or not. If they skip demonstrating proper form they will not serve you well. This psa is to anyone reading it.

[@Arcie7887]

Woman here chiming in, I’ve done martial arts for years and transitioned into weight training to gain some muscle mass and also found CrossFit to be “a little strange” until I tried it, let me tell you, it KICKS MY ASS! There are workouts that I don’t enjoy and I avoid those yet overall it’s a concentrated mix of compound movements and cardio and I have found it to be a great way to trim down during shredding season.

[@neomicarrcarrillo8068]

As a physical therapist I always see dollar signs when.... People say they are going to start crossfit after years of inactivity ☺😂

[@cotimiller6425]

Joe, mat fraser is a big fan of your podcast, im sure he would love to ne on the show, he has won the crossfit games the past three years

[@brady5790]

I think one thing that gets overlooked with the CrossFit is the importance of a good coach and gym. My biggest concern with it is it's too easy to becoming an instructor and oversee a large group of people who potentially know nothing about these complex movements. I've done lifting for years, CrossFit for a good chunk of time, and dabbled in just olympic lifting. I loved every one of them for different reasons and I don't think CrossFit is as bad as people like to make it out to be, but you're much for liable for irresponsible training/poor form/ego lifting and without a proper and invested coach who is able to make sure you progress at the right speed, it wouldn't take much for things to go south. I've been injured more just lifting than anything else, but I've also spent more time lifting and each time I can look back and remember doing a short warm up. I used to shit on CrossFit because that's what I always heard in the gyms and it was fun, plus I was insecure of how bad my non existent cardio was. After doing it for a while now, I can say I am a fan if it, but my cardio is still so shit that I will always make sure I choose a weight that I am 100% comfortable with because I am going to be a tired mess at the end either way lol. The biggest thrill is farting 10+ times in a class and not knowing if the people know it's you

[@brady5790]

Just an update....They knew it was me

[@alexandertrygg211]

I did crossfit for about a year and I have seen many people get hurt doing it. The aspects that I liked most of crossfit was the calisthenics and cardio movements and exercises and those are the only real ones that I continue to use in the gym. When I see people get hurt its because they try to lift too much too fast and their form goes to shit trying beat your last time. I don't lift except for the most basics lifts I learned and never too heavy. If you stick to common sense you should be okay.

[@bloomango96]

Years and thousands of people doing crossfit with shitty form gave it a bad image. With good form, it's fine and great.

[@bennytea7215]

Then it's not Crossfit, it's just a hard but measured workout

[@richarddepalantino9495]

Really loving CrossFit but I was an experienced lifter with strict form before going into it which has really helped. Without that knowledge I could see how detrimental it could be without good form coaching

[@timlamb1156]

I love this guy, he is hilarious "big long word for bullshit!"

[@mndalran]

As a physics (physical, apparently can’t type) therapist I love CrossFit, it will really help provide lots of shoulder and knee issues for me to treat in the future

[@curtisbrownelectric]

Check your grammar man...this sentence you tried to compose killed me.

[@bobby-joe8063]

Jammie got an A in physics.

[@gypsylips1950]

A physics therapist? Lol

[@mikebracco890]

You mean as a 7-11 worker bullshitting on the internet

[@enabler2456]

I'm a nuclear personal trainer and Crossfit can cure male pattern baldness

[@lotleo987]

In every video I've seen criticizing CF, its always about the over intensity leading to injury. Ive played sports all my life and injuries have always been a part of it. I see competitive lifters with injuries all the time. If you are pushing your body to the limit, you are increasing your risk of injury. Before ever even considering crossfit, I dislocated my knee coming down from a rebound and having someone cut under me, tearing my acl, lcl, pcl, and partially tore my MCL. Im 6'0 and grew to 290 in the years following. I basically stopped activity because I couldnt play sports and globo-gym memberships never worked for me cause I find it incredibly boring and just stop going. CF added that sense of competition and community I always got from sports, so it stuck. Ive been doing for over a year now, im personally down to 240 and honestly can think of maybe 2 members who had injuries keep them out for a month or so. Which is less injury rate than im used to with Football or Basketball.

[@Scorch1028]

"We should do all good things in moderation -- including moderation," -- Oscar Wilde

[@lotleo987]

@@Scorch1028 that's a cool quote

[@Bowfella]

I'd say bring Jeff Cavalier from AthleanX on, but he'd probably assault Joes with markers 5 minutes in.

[@andreavila9918]

mihajlo525 haha the muscle markers

[@-TK-]

"anyways, have you tried face pulls on DMT?"

[@ryantomkaa]

Joe please get Mat Fraser on, current top guy in CrossFit for the last 4 years

[@siheath3648]

Get Mat to confirm what his cycle is...

[@dirklimon4966]

Why, so he can tell everyone about the wisdom of properly performing improper pull-ups?

[@bambamjesus5067]

See this is the problem. Don’t grab the best guy, grab a regular ass person and see what happened to them

[@Gnorde]

@@bambamjesus5067 the top people were “regular ass people”.

[@c-ro311]

You got your wish dude

[@howardhull07]

Amazing episode joe and CT! Side note, I’d love to see Jason kahlipa on the show. Would be super interesting to hear two eloquent interesting guys talk about Crossfit/fitness. Please make this happen. Much love

[@charlesmnsh2]

Glad u doing good CT 👍 an thanks for having him on Joe!

[@sethrich5032]

I went to a Crossfit gym for a while. People just have to do workouts slower if they're not feeling so good one day. They let you adjust the excersises to what you want to do. The Crossfit Games however is just a test of who can take more pain.

[@sethrich5032]

@Jacob Sirak Cheering and encouraging people on a normal workout it cringy as fuck. I only saw a few times. But I bet some places have psychos.

[@thrasher2094]

@Jacob Sirak Yeah they push you to be better but a good crossfit place will tell you to go lighter if your form goes to crap. My HS P.E. coach made us do that if we risked injury

[@THIS---GUY]

Crossfit gyms push people to start doing Olympic lifts without proper form. They should spend hours on the bar without weights but they push weights on new lifters

[@spiralinglight]

Who can take more PREVENTABLE pain

[@TheBrian900]

Hey Joe you should get Jeff Cavalier from athlene x on your podcast.

[@breakyoselffool]

Fuck that square

[@jackdaniels2905]

Jeff would say podcasts are hurting your gains.

[@TheBrian900]

@@jackdaniels2905 true

[@antoniostarr7703]

Jack Daniels 😂

[@jugsforthewin7825]

Edgar valdez what he do

[@ifeelfantastic8956]

Regardless on how crossfit may have some crazy risky sh*t, I stiII admire the hardwork they put in.

[@sonicCherryBell]

I really like this guy, humble and tells it like he sees it. respect!

[@MultiPizzapizza]

CrossFit? The overpriced social club?

[@stillsearchin3457]

This place neare wants 225 a month and they're only open 4 days a week and certian hours....fohhh

[@Gokenshiba]

You must have a lot of money then.. the average person can’t afford 225 a month and I’m not hating on “ most CrossFit “ because I know some are good and a lot are shitty, and most of them teach you bad form but not all, the one I went to none of them were “ certified “ or had a lot of experience and everyone of the trainers were “ pretty boys or girl “ sorry men and woman.. it was kinda of a joke

[@ryancox3834]

The scientologists of fitness.

[@abe7984]

Yes is expensive 120 3 classes a week plus supplements and that price is the cheapest

[@ryancox3834]

@@abe7984 supplements being coccaine and speed? Oh and tramadol and codeine

[@Denshosan]

Joe " your piss comes out looking like Ice Tea " Rogan

[@crzxm]

The rapper? Or is it raper? I dont know the spelling.

[@T0YCHEST]

@@crzxm it's rapper and he isn't talking about the rapper because joe would of said ice T not ice tea, this guy wrote it out so you don't get confused.

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

that's racist calling piss like Ice-T

[@thegeniusand7256]

Joe "Not the rapper though" Rogan

[@b2therizzle917]

only a simpleton likes these annoying ass comments

[@MinhaFamiliaAQBJJ]

I agree. I've always said the same thing about exercises like RDLs, clean n press,etc should be done slowly and focus on "perfecting" form and increase weight to gain strength..not for reps

[@gheezer44]

Love you Joe!! Keep up the great work. Now, the point: CrossFit saved my life. I would've drank myself to death if the Community hadn't been there for me. Ain't no cult, just me in the box facing down my own demons, other people doing the same thing. I'd be sitting in the bar 7 days a week crying about my divorce, crying about my career. Blaming everyone but me for my problems. All that turned around the day I walked in....However, you can get stupid with it. Keep it sane, go light, keep moving, and it is one of the best fitness programs ever.

[@andrewh7599]

Agree. The entire format is great- Difficult workouts that require coordination and technique plus friends to encourage you through the pain. People hate it because it's hard and they can't do it.

[@bubblewrapvillain]

You just needed a social circle. CrossFit is not good for long term

[@anaussie213]

@@andrewh7599 how is it great? Did you not listen to joe? They do power movements (speed and technique) for reps (where speed and technique must be sacrificed). Stupid.

[@solomonstello]

Glad you're still with us.

[@airplane3359]

Get Fraser and Toomey on. Both on top of the game.

[@james4727]

overtraining is definitely a real thing, your CNS gets fried.

[@one4theroad15]

Absolutely...... I developed sarcoidosis in my 40s as a result of years taxing my body to its limit.. my knees are shot and now I have to follow my body's lead and do what it says...... Too much high intensity too often fucks you long term!

[@killslay]

For sure, my performance starts suffering dramatically after about a week with no rest days. Longest I've been without rest is 2 weeks and I started getting dizzy spells and out of breath just walking to the store.

[@james4727]

a good indicator that your CNS is suffering even though your muscles aren't is if your grip strength starts failing. Pretty sure athlean x has a video on it. Also you can just tell if you know what i feels like.

[@bakudoge6276]

That’s very true. I remember in my Sophomore year of High School, I went to the gym about 2 to three times a day on average.... even as a High Schooler with newbie gains, after about a month I was in bed one day, cause I felt so sick from doing all that shit. My body felt like crap, I couldn’t get up without feeling bad. Had a fever, everything. My CNS was dead. So I switched it up to once a day. I definitely saw improvement in health for sure

[@taterfight]

After hearing this dude talk I HAD to look up if he is Kirk Fletcher's brother. One of the best blues guitar players around. Pretty cool.

[@steorris]

Tater Fight he is

[@grantdiggs7088]

He’s the best but I’ve never heard of him...

[@spencerchristie3735]

@@grantdiggs7088 he can play! Can hold his own with anyone!

[@joshwhitaker5453]

“I think it’s under-resting, under-recuperation” lol that’s exactly what overtraining is. He just wants to use a a different word, but that’s the LITERAL definition of OVERTRAINING. Read a Kinesiology textbook sometime, damn.

[@loonaticaaron]

It’s just semantics. I think he’s saying that if you sleep more and eat more, there won’t be a problem with working out more. Some people think they should only do a certain amount of reps and sets before they overtrain. But its different for everyone, if you dedicate all your time to eating, resting, and training, you will be able to do a lot more in the gym than someone who works long hours

[@nickv5576]

Jeff Z this dude destroyed his heart at a young age by eating like shit every day, if you think he’s qualified to give training advice you better go back to elementary school and start over

[@lairdriver]

Overtraining has psychological consequences. You'll feel it mentally as well. You become depressed and your immune system weakens. Overtraining can result in torn muscles, ligaments and back injuries

[@onthetoilet8397]

No over training is training, more than 12 hour's a day intensive training, resting is completely different than training. Training = Doing activities and Resting = Nothing 😁

[@choreomaniac]

You are correct. Overtraining occurs over time not in one session. It is when the volume of exercise exceeds the body’s capacity to recover from them. So, if you train so much that there is not enough time to rest between sessions, you are overtraining. A good indicator of overtraining is your testing heart rate. If it increases overtime, you are not getting adequate rest. Gains are made in recovery so it is stupid to short change it.

[@alextrickey]

Either rich froning or mat fraser! Would love that👌

[@thecaseylwest]

Alex Trickey Both my boy

[@LANCECASTLE490]

AGREED ! even dave castro . make it happen Joe please

[@PK-qx1wn]

Fletchers sounds like the intro for drakes “pound cake” ✊🏾🤣🤣🤣

[@jeffnorris211]

All that other bullshit is here today and gone tomorrrrrrr

[@PK-qx1wn]

@@jeffnorris211 hahahah

[@MegaMarcusjr]

Much respect for CT and Joe, love them both

[@jackjon7763]

CrossFit isn’t bad for you as long as you lift with proper technique. The problem with CrossFit, is that there isn’t a huge emphasis on the technique of the exercises.

[@valjeanjean1]

you cant keep technique for 20, 30, 40 reps when powerlifting

[@JoeRyMi]

I’m way too lazy to do CrossFit, but more functional training is better. I think many of the negative stories come from people going from limited activity right into CrossFit when it became a fad. Generally, I think some people have a higher risk of it becoming problematic. Rhabdo is a very rare condition, and the percentage of those with a fatal reaction is even more rare. And of those, most are likely crush injuries. Totally a guess on that part but it’s a guess I feel good about.

[@MerrickAiken]

Joe you 100% should have Jason Khalipa on the show. Wicked smart business AND training knowledge. Will answer any question you have about CrossFit

[@wrAIth-AI]

Did anyone else want the guest to say "Chef's chocolate salty balls"? We love you, Chef.

[@painting]

'Over training doesn't exist", said the guy whose heart exploded at a younger age.

[@christopherrossberg1012]

Pretty sure that was mostly because of the cheeseburgers

[@brandonwallace4346]

Thts because he ate 4 Big Macs with 4 fries 1 strawberry shake and 2 apple pies for lunch everyday for 20 years

[@Foxtrottangoabc]

2 apple pies too many

[@Stonewallz]

Hell yea have Jason K on. He’s a great person to interview. He’s an O.G

[@x_____________]

People really still bash crossfit like it's 2009 or something lmao. The sport has evolved. You rarely see bad form on a high level. You may see it in crossfit gyms from time to time, but you also see bad form in literally any gym in the world. Some people are idiots, there are idiots in crossfit too. If you do it correctly, it's truly incredible exercise and gets you in amazing shape.

[@-TK-]

The problem is also that they teach bad form on some of their lifts. For example kipping pull ups and external rotation in the overhead position.

[@gabrielbalta2634]

@@-TK- those pull-ups are so lame

[@Swandivein]

Arthur Morgan well said

[@sugma-lucious]

Awww the weirdo cross fit boi gotta defend his "wOrKoUt"

[@vicchecksitout9537]

For me-I always train very hard if I dont crawl out of the gym I'm not happy, with that being said, my body takes so long to recover, and I limit how many days a week I hit it which is bad. Which now through the years I've come to the conclusion that, again, FOR ME, more workouts per year, at a moderate to heavy rate is much more beneficial

[@annala2956]

I love CT fletcher. Met him at Athlean X live. Joe really needs to have Alan Roberts on his podcast

[@franciscopatino5803]

All these pro Cross fitters are going to end up like Ronnie Colman X10 ... Bedridden if they don’t slowdown

[@danielatkins6117]

Ronnie Cole May not be in the best of health these days but you do know his name as do countless others of fans around the world, if poor health was the price of glory, then I would pay it but let’s face am far too lazy for that 😂😂

[@strengthchain]

@@danielatkins6117 I think valuing glory over health is part of what many find disgusting about crossfit

[@thom10109]

A professional athlete having long term injuries after finishing with a sport? How unusual.....

[@bubblewrapvillain]

Bedridden without the fame and money of Coleman. Even Goggins realized he was wrong

[@CoachAgung1]

GET MAT FRASER ON THE POD!

[@meatsauce3751]

His voice is relaxing as hell

[@cristianDominguez314]

3:30 There I saved you 5 minutes.

[@Roosterh2711]

Did two a days and worked 12 hours on a dairy farm and never got that stuff either.. Thank Lord Jesus

[@bterwin9887]

joe "is crossfit good for your body" rogan also joe "shin bone to the brain is so beautiful man" rogan.

[@jesseperez6946]

I rather get paid for fighting...

[@blademaster9575]

@JGTarnay you're embarrassing bruh. He has a point. In fighting you're accomplishing something

[@nickrad6966]

@@blademaster9575 what are you accomplishing? Brain damage?

[@blademaster9575]

@@nickrad6966 you are accomplishing victory in a violent combat scenario with another individual that means to do you harm wtf do you mean "what are you accomplishing"? In cross fit what are you accomplishing that you can't accomplish with safer exercises?

[@WhiskiDev]

@@jesseperez6946 lol how many get paid? You got to get your ass kicked for awhile before you see any money

[@UPRISING144K]

Molecular hydrogen is used for pro athletes in japan to avoid over training and accelerate recovery, it’s truly amazing. Plus it’s good for the kidneys.

[@browneyesjesus]

UPRISING 144K where do I get that ?

[@nunyabidness2661]

When have you heard anything about a Japanese athlete. Ichiro, I guess? He might be Chinese. Love them Japanese women though.

[@busterfrysinger5965]

Isn’t all hydrogen molecular?

[@CookieAlexander]

@@browneyesjesus you have to mix two hydrogen molecules with an oxygen molecule

[@browneyesjesus]

Cookie Alexander woa, blast from the past

[@1000dollarHotdog]

when I was younger I would watch these KZbin fitness guys and get motivation from them. But the older I get the more I see how stubborn these guys really are. They believe in their "theories" and think everyone is a pussy if they don't destroyed their body every time they're in the gym. they are so obsessed with not looking like a pussy that most of them die young or have serious health problems. These guys are not men people should look up to, they are middle age boys who don't know how to grow up and accept simple facts about their own mental health. They have an unhealthy obsession and it is killing them every single day. I know people will be like, "well CT says he'll die in the gym that's all he cares about." Please...if you're a 60 year old man and all you care about is gains then we have nothing to talk about

[@grantdiggs7088]

You’re not wrong

[@idontwantahandlewtf]

Dude, so many of these guys I've watched over the years have died or are real fucked up now and sound like they're merely days away from a heart attack.

[@danielatkins6117]

Everyone dies, live life like a sheep or life like a lion makes no difference, since they are not hurting you why do you care what they do?

[@gallafia3771]

@@danielatkins6117 because their actions impact the people around them. Young people will see their videos and get inspired while never being told about the serious health risks. This is not good as there are several examples of people be paralyzed by crossfit that no one really ever talks about.

[@idontwantahandlewtf]

@@gallafia3771 on the other hand, young people are being told by opposing celebrities that being fat is okay. Maybe being a crazy strongman isn't very safe, but far more people die from being fat than they do from working out. Most people who get inspiration from strongmen or bodybuilders aren't ever going to be that swole, but it's a lot easier to get fat, just sit around and eat chips washed down with soda. You have to be ridiculously swole to experience negative health effects, but you don't have to be that fat to experience the same.

[@rajajohnson7963]

CT Fletcher sounds like a gangsta version of Falcore from The Neverending Story 😆

[@thehonorablerazzilee3831]

Rhabdomyolysis is real. It happened to me. You start pissing out your muscle tissue, clogging your kidneys. Was 12hrs away from permanent lifetime dialysis before hospital saved me.

[@desertpiggott]

Out of curiosity, was the cause extreme training?

[@brianshilloby1411]

Fuck, same mate, absolutely ruined me and was hospitalised for over a week!

[@thehonorablerazzilee3831]

desertpiggott No, mine was cause by too much Doxylamine in my system. I’d been sick and was drinking NyQuil like it was water, triggering the Rhabdomyolysis. I was very lucky. Doctors didn’t know what the fuck was going on

[@THEDRAWINGSTUDIO1]

When are you getting Jeff cavalier?! Would make my day.

[@theparadisesnare]

Yeah, have him bring his fake weights too

[@JeandIrlande22]

@@theparadisesnare Have him bring his juice too. I want whatever he's using.

[@MASTERoQUADEMAN]

Just their “pull-ups” alone are dangerous for your entire spine

[@allanfarr]

MASTERoQUADEMAN then don’t do them. Do you ever drive over the speed limit? Ever eat fried foods knowing that heart disease is the #1 killer?

[@Lew_si_fir]

How so?

[@AB-it8hd]

It feels like once you get so strong you don’t have to train as hard anymore, everything has to be done in Moderation

[@tieiatalks]

My orthopedic surgeon said he was so happy when CrossFit moved to our city. Business went up 200% the first year.

[@jamesconroy5243]

Cranking hard on PL movements into your 40s, 50s and beyond seems unreasonable but that’s one reason for scaling and modifications. The point of CrossFit IMHO is to move differently every time you workout. Not moving is far riskier but going hardcore all the time absolutely has to take its toll.

[@Mfnchino]

I did arms almost everyday for 4 or 5 months after every workout, and no rhabdo, I don’t think that 99% of people lifting ever have to worry about overtraining

[@jollyroger66699]

Should of got infinite Elgin on here with ct fletcher, would have been hilarious

[@VantaClawz]

Legends. Overtraining is definitely real. Except for Fletcher, his weights need to sleep between sessions.

[@Scorch1028]

Yeah. Ronnie Coleman also claims that he's never over-trained. He's only had 30 surgeries, and been partially paralyzed 5 times. C.T. Fletcher and Ronnie Coleman are not "over-training". Everybody else is "under-training".

[@svenlechtenberg8119]

CT is Love CT is life 🔥🔥

[@jonathangarzon2798]

Crossfits biggest issue is it's risk to reward ration, it's like deadlifting it's fun and if you focus on it it can give you results to a specific set of goals but the chances of injury aren't worth it

[@pauljohnson8688]

I live in Cookeville, TN. And I personally know some of these top crossfit athletes, and they truly are on another level compared to your average Joe crossfitter. Its crazy how fit they are.

[@amazoiduchko]

"Rhabdomyolysis" is something that Dana Linn Bailey recently went through, after having previously being featured in a CT video together with Kai Greene where she and CT both refuted the idea of over training. Its a very real thing but incredibly hard to actually achieve.

[@amazoiduchko]

@Brian Jones Im curious how long your recovery took before you were able to get back into your usual training load again? I've been training 11 years and dread the thought of something like that coming along preventing me from doing it.

[@bolterboy]

"Wuts rahbido¿? Sound like beelshit, I train like 30hrs a day, 9 day a week. If you looked it up in the big word book, itd say bhulshit"

[@shahtayyib]

so, i take it you do CrossFit?

[@bolterboy]

@@shahtayyib lol wat?

[@shahtayyib]

@@bolterboy lmao i just replied to the wrong comment 💀💀 my bad dude keep going about your day

[@bolterboy]

@@shahtayyib you good homie!!

[@wenzer2001]

Rhabdo is way easier to get than anyone admits (you can get it from a deep tissue massage). The variables include heat, dehydration, and ANY movement that your body is unprepared to do. So for example, an athlete which is extremely fit in one discipline can't just expect to jump into another without building up to it first. For example, a powerlifter going out to try sprinting for the first time without any background in endurance running or sprinting could get hurt this way. From my research, the best way to prevent it, aside from avoiding extreme heat and dehydration is to always build your muscles up thoroughly in preparation for any hardcore or extreme movement.

[@fabooshka]

CT saying Ooooh is so fucking satisfying

[@Kaitescampaign]

GET RICH FRONING. He’s a great guy who has a bit of a different perspective on CrossFit.

[@1SigloUno]

What is fitness? Is it having big muscles and looking good with your shirt off, admiring your physique, being bigger than the guy doing curls next to to you at the gym?It could be actually.. Or is it doing exercises that increase strength and endurance at a gym where people do Olympic style lifts and wall balls as part of their workout..My opinion,”fitness people” hate it because CF works and a lot of people like it,and because regular people learn about the clean and jerk and the snatch. There can be something cultish about CF. But honestly many “regular”people can find fitness people with their diets and regimens somewhat unhealthily obsessive as well. My niece and nephew think it’s weird because at our house all our food is non gmo organic and “weird off brand stuff” in their words. CF takes what some find boring and monotonous and makes it a bit more fun, in my opinion. You can add competitiveness, if you like, but what I have found is most people just do it to get healthy and strong and faster. As with anything, you do it too much or use bad form you’ll hurt yourself. And as with any type of training, you make sure you have good instructors and you listen to your body. The important thing is that whatever you do to get fit, you feel good in the end.

[@gregwhitcher4312]

well said

[@jpetrullo6890]

“I don’t believe in overtraining” *gets heart transplant*

[@Wyndamn]

I don't think over training had anything to do with him having a heart transplant.

[@jpetrullo6890]

Wyndamn Fletcher comes from a family riddled with heart conditions. He had his first heart surgery 15 years ago. If you think the mentality of “there’s no such thing as overdoing training”, which can carry over into many other aspects of fitness, hasn’t negatively affected his heart health over the years, then I guess we will have to disagree

[@threeminutethoughts5142]

So you know this debate was gone over and million times in 2012. I've worked in the rehab industry for 20 years. Cross fit is more or less a strain on the body and the workout routines are backwards in regards to putting your body into shock and getting weak then overloading it. More injuries had come into our facilities over the years from this brand than any other gym environment in our area at least. People are lemmings and run to the latest workout craze. Unfortunately people pay trainers and believe "hope" they know what they are talking about. When you hire a trainer research what training they have and for how long and does it line up with YOUR goals and ABILITIES. Injuries can last a lifetime sometimes. Be Careful.

[@hhide3144]

My only opinion on this would be that human beings are built for endurance