JSB Hades .25 caliber Pellet Test-part two

This video includes pellet expansion in water as well as accuracy testing of the .25 caliber Hades pellet by JSB. The pellet is compared to the 25 grain and 33 grain JSB diabolo pellets for accuracy at 50 yards and expansion in water.
CAUTION: THIS VIDEO ALSO CONTAINS PEST ANIMAL SHOOTING FOOTAGE.

[@Monkeydad1969]

Paul, nice review. Really in depth and you did a good job of explaining why the pellets did what they did in your particular rig. Good hits on those squirrels. You showed, and actually backed up my claim with my results. The performance of the Hades in .22 & .25, akin to a mechanical broadhead, stop prey items dead with an immediate shut down of their brain and electrical impulses with a properly placed head shot. I say mechanical broadhead because they open up and cause EXTREME damage. No other hunting pellet, other than our Predator Polymag, does what the Hades can do. But the Polymag's damage is more intense with the energy dump. Great vid, keep 'em coming...thanks for the shout out. Joe@Predator

[@Tofazfou]

Good job on all aspects of the video. You got me amped to test my 25 Hades when they come in.

[@TheAirgunPodcast]

So stoked for these in my .25 Dreamline!

[@casperboo5465]

Thanks for a great informative video, very interesting enjoyed it, TY, Cheers

[@BullseyeBob]

Excellent video Paul!!

[@tomdaigneault1380]

nice.... thanks for your valuable views and opinions..

[@shaneevans6354]

Good review on the hades pellets

[@AzAirgunHunter]

Great video. The tests you performed were very good convincing. I’m going to have to give these pellets a try. That’s for that outstanding review/pellet test. Really appreciate it. Take care and be safe.

[@bigsword1957]

Great Job of testing

[@chrisfigueroa3361]

Great shooting 👍 thanks for sharing nice head shot love the gun as well

[@nathanielcohen9890]

i shoot the diabolo and it's a pretty accurate pellet in my .25 hatsan. but these hades pellets are awesome. i shot 3---5 shot groups at 25 yds and shot the bullseye out of target each time. and i never re-zeroed the scope. i think i'm in love.

[@garyhill9516]

Hades load real slick into my .25 katran. H&N hunter extreme load with a little persuasion. But both shot great. Hades slightly better accuracy. But the H&N better for longer range.

[@WiscAirGunners]

I haven't tried the H&N in .25 yet, but I've seen others having good results.

[@BillyBobTup]

Thanks for the excellent testing. These 25 Hades seemed to pack a pretty good wallop. But I couldn't tell for sure if all were head shots, or some were body/heart/lung shots. Do you think this pellet, with a muzzle velocity of about 900 FPS and ending at between 15 and 30 yd, would put these squirrels down fairly quickly with a heart/lung area shot? I have my reasons for preferring the heart/lung shot to the head shot. Also, do you think the extra energy of the 25 contributes to a quicker kill on a squirrel sized animal, vs the 22, at ranges under 40 yds? Or, since the 22 will often be higher velocity(due to lighter pellets) would this contribute to better expansion of the Hades?

[@WiscAirGunners]

I think a squirrel has about 20-30 yards worth of oxygenated blood onboard. I shot one the other day, perfect chest shot. You could see the evidence of each heartbeat in the snow. .25 gives a bigger margins for error, but shot placement is the key thing, not power. The Brits are shooting squirrels by the truckload with sun 12 foot pound rifles.

[@derrickmitchell39dm]

Those squirrel shot are ridiculous with the Hades. I'm getting me a tin for the Sumatra.

[@henrymoreland8719]

Thank you Paul, very interesting video,. Slightly gory request, did you recover any of the pellets that you gave to the critters, and if so, can we have a look?. side note, James over at ReplicaReviews has just today put up an interesting review of the Hades .22, all good info. again thanks.

[@WiscAirGunners]

In the part 1 video I did. Head shots pass through, and I haven't been able to recover any. Look here at about 2:50 kzbin.info/www/bejne/m53PmXyBhdyJmq8

[@surreallife777]

I’m new to this. The world of pellets is a complicated one. More complicated than I thought. I just purchased the KERVAN airbox K1 25 caliber. My gun was tested/set up for JSB exact King Heavy Diablo. I also purchased some JSB slugs, 25 cal. In terms of accuracy and energy expansion at distances of 50 yards to 100 yards. What’s your opinion on shooting slugs as compared to the JSB Hades? Thanks for the video.

[@WiscAirGunners]

Not every pellet gun shoots slugs well. Pellets are drag stabilized, and don’t need much in the way of barrel twist and do pretty well with a choked barrel. Slugs need more twist and don’t particularly like barrel choke. I would recommend you focus more on what your rifle will shoot accurately, because unless you’re taking game that requires full pass-through in the heart and lung region, shot placement is going to be more important than penetration. There are some very soft slugs that will open very completely and do a really good job putting down small game. As I’ve used the Hades more over time and studied their velocity and retained energy at point of impact, I really think it is more the shape of the head transferring energy than true expansion based on design. They do suffer a little bit as compared to their domed counterparts in terms of ballistic coefficient, so they’re more affected by wind and they bleed velocity just a little bit more. But with that said, if I have a gun that shoots Hades, well, that’s what I use for pest control.

[@surreallife777]

@@WiscAirGunners Thanks. Sorry for all the questions I won’t bother you with anymore. - From what I have seen and read in terms of accuracy, pellets are accurate to about 75 yards? - Once you get past 75 yards, say 100 to 150 yards slugs retain more energy in terms of hunting plus more accuracy. Do you agree? The next question is about the JSB Hades in terms of shooting long distances like 100 yards to 150 yards. Out of three different pellets, a slug, a standard pellet, and the JSB Hades, which pellets would you choose for target, shooting and marksmanship at long distances?

[@WiscAirGunners]

@@surreallife777 if I make the assumption, we are talking about a rifle that shoots a particular slug. Well, once you get past 75 or 100 yards there are environmental factors, mostly related to shifting and variable winds, often un sensed by the shooter, but have a much greater effect on that pellets trajectory, then they would have on a slug. All of that is going to be tied to the projectile’s ballistic coefficient, and slugs typically win that fight. Ballistic coefficient is not a constant. It is to some degree dependent on the projectiles velocity. So because pellets slow down faster than slugs do, because they have lower ballistic coefficient, slugs retain their higher ballistic coefficient longer. If I’m setting up an airgun for hunting past 75 or 100 yards, I’m probably going to set it up to shoot slugs. It’s just harder to set up and tune, an air gun for slugs. Prepare to spend more time and to try wider variety of ammo. Most of the development in the slug world has been in 22 caliber. 30 caliber is probably next, and 25 seems like it’s been almost an afterthought.

[@surreallife777]

@@WiscAirGunners I think understanding the fundamentals of pellet guns is a lot more complicated than standard rifles with ammunition. It’s complicated but it’s also interesting. Thanks.

[@donwilson350]

You know what maybe by those pallets in your gun being too long and you're having trouble getting the bolt in the magazine to work correctly to load the pallet I'm wondering if you could be damaging them slightly by having to fight to get it into the breach that sucks because what's the sense in shooting those pallets if they will not work in your magazine in that particular gun it happened a single shot tray them I have just ordered 3 tens of the 25 caliber Haydee pellets I wish this phone could Spell correctly and I am going to try them in my 25 caliber compact Wildcat Mark II gun that has an X Barrel in it I hope they fly well if not I've got some Barracuda Hunters that fly really good out of my gun as and I have the Old Faithful 25 caliber exact King did fly really good out of my gun as well I'm hoping these Hades will work good because they should be a really good hunting pellet if they are accurate

[@WiscAirGunners]

Don, I think you are exactly right about the pellet length. The Hades is based on the 33 grain King Heavy, which is also longer. When I use a single shot loader they don't hitch on the way in and they are more accurate.

[@tomlodge1256]

Please tell me about energy being left in the animal as opposed to a pass through? :D

[@WiscAirGunners]

I'm not 100% sure I understand your question. Do you mean to ask a general question about what the pellet does with "its" energy, or a specific question about what happens to the energy "dumped" when a pellet impacts a target?

[@tomlodge1256]

@@WiscAirGunners Hi again... I hear this a lot, especially when discussing the advantage of hollow point and segmented bullets. My question is, how is this measured? A bullet that passes through an animal traumatizes the whole of the wound channel, not to mention cause varying amounts of bleeding, sometimes in startling volume as you open up chest cavities. There is that. Then you have a bullet with not quite enough energy to pass through and you'd have to think, that as the bullet decelerates, that the energy residual is diminishing in proportional value, but more importantly, momentum. This "energy" left in the animal, "0" at rest, doesn't seem to me, to equate to the experience that the animal enjoys with a complete pass through of similar caliber and construction. In MY OPINION.

[@WiscAirGunners]

@@tomlodge1256 I think I follow you. Take two bullets of equal weight and velocity. One passes through and leaves at a velocity lower than when it entered. The other doesn't have enough energy left to leave, or leaves slower than it's peer. That energy was expended inside the animal, and contributes to a humane kill if we assume that the energy (be it cutting, tearing, shocking, etc) was applied to a critical part of the animal. In this case, it takes energy for the Hades pellet to expand and because it is expanded, it takes more energy to push it through the target. More of the energy is used up in damaging the target, giving a more consistent result. In your example two bullets have X energy. One animal receives X energy, which is adequate to cause a humane death. The other receives X-Y, where Y is the left over energy the bullet has after it passes through. If X-Y is enough to cause a humane death, no problem. If it isn't we have not met our goal and we have a wounded animal. You want minimal pass through, because that extra is wasted and potentially dangerous to whatever is beyond your target. I hope that helps.

[@tomlodge1256]

@@WiscAirGunners All of this I appreciate. I was raised on essentially two desires with firearms when hunting... heart lungs and pass through. I'm having trouble still rectifying the benefit of an expanded bullet that stops somewhere in the animal versus a complete pass through, and that the diminished penetration is "better" than a complete pass through. :D