SLAPCHOP Experiment - How does UNDERCOLOR affect your paint job?

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

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[@gianlucaandreis]

You’re not only a great painter Juan, you’re also a source of positivity on each video you made! Thank you!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Thanks! I try to be my best always, there's enough negativity in the world right now

[@Dark0Storm]

What a great video, I think there is so much to play around with in the slapchop method. I've been playing with doing a standard slapchop, then doing a second white drybrush hitting mostly the top surfaces then coming back in again with slightly lighter/warmer/more thinned Speedpaint colours over the previous ones, doing more of a glaze with them, to get a really nice boost to the definition of volumetric lighting and some additional visual/colour interest. Really liking the results.

[@johnbryant6690]

@Dark0Storm sounds like Don Suartos "double slap chop". I think one of the strength of this almost as a "color slap chop" is the different color of shadows as Juan talks about. Green, purple etc. The alternate color temperature to your main color creates alot of interest and definition.

[@Dark0Storm]

@johnbryant6690 cool. I haven't come across Don Suartos, but I'll check them out. I think it Def adds a ton of extra options & complexity without really being any more difficult (or adding that much extra time).

[@gtcustomcrafts]

This video is going to be one of my references for the next ten years. I very much appreciate your passion towards these unique experiments thank you.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Happy to help! I love playing around with paint

[@antoinedarbon456]

Once again, a great video from my top 1 mini painter. I do all my paintings based on your tutorials. Please, continue!

[@panimauser970]

Purple to ochre to warm off-white is my to-go pre-shading for any human skintone. You can put contrast and the likes on top, or just glaze whatever skintone you like, and you get this wonderful depth of color almost instantly!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Nice!

[@Isaac-hm6ih]

Purple? Interesting, I'll need to try that.

[@Tukenukemus]

I've been using purples/magentas as either undershading or washes for a year now, glad to hear you like it as much as I do! I haven't used the other colours a lot yet, but I definitely want to experiment more with purple primer + coloured zenithal + white drybrush, to find the perfect pre paint combo for myself! Also, really nice to see that a whole unit still looks like they fit together with different undershades, makes me feel better about experimenting more.

[@ZeWitchKid]

one cool trick is to plan your OSL ahead when you work on the drybrush layers , for example if you want to do a cyberpunk magenta/cyan light effect, make one side magenta and the other cyan then slap chop on top and once dry, adjust with some extra subtle drybrush to make the OSL pop even more

[@OniSushi]

What a pleasure. Thank you for the video, Juan!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Thanks for watching!

[@jamesevans886]

Great video. I have found all the new contrasting paints to be super sensitive to colours they go over. So when using them, I use a full colour version of slap chop. For the face, I use a bone and a light grey where the beard shadow is. When painted with a contrasting skin, the grey areas become a very realistic blue/grey. My next time using them, I'll be trying a pastal pink or red over the cheeks and lips to see how that turns out. Thanks as you've given me something to think about and trymay you. May you have a happy new year.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Happy to help!

[@capsule2326]

Thanks, man! That was interesting to see

[@giuseppelupia1967]

I will try this very soon. I have a pile of bretonnians still unpainted. Thank you Juan , useful recipe as ever.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Happy to help!

[@glennmatlin8829]

Great video topic!! I have been thinking about this lately.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Well, great minds think alike

[@KimHarderFog]

The blue and brownish green undercoat is for sure my favourites.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Mine as well!

[@rotwang2000]

I have used some lighter tones, often pastel to create variation in models. It also helps to create texture when using contrast paints.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Nice idea!

[@OniGanon]

Coloured underpainting for slapchop is the way to go. Contrast paint over blue or purple shadows looks much more natural than black. Other colours can help simulate different environments or lighting conditions.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

100%

[@sinisterplank3113]

Absolutely! I find the black super desaturates any colour way too much for my tastes, having a proper colour underneath let's you keep more vibrancy and punch even in shadows

[@christiansebine7316]

Molan, buen vídeo 👏👏👏

[@nGuilTy]

He escuchado que decías “zero skill Death Guard” y me ha dado un vuelco el corazón. Mi proyecto para 2025 es pintar un ejercito de death guard. Este año he pintado un ejercito Votann y he usado tu receta de zero skill yellow y no puedo estar mas contento con el resultado. Por favor, le pido a los reyes magos del hobby y KZbin ese vídeo de death guard y prometo a cambio que si coincidimos en algún evento a futuro te invito a comer! Gracias por tus vídeos Juan. No sabes cuanto ayudan en el hobby. Feliz Navidad

[@Ryuondo]

Enamel paints are your BEST friend with the Death Guard. I painted Typhus last month just for fun, and man, the Villiany Inks are crazy good for him.

[@cupofcustard]

Got myself a new bloodbowl team (amazons) so I'll be trying these out very soon! Great vid!!!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

NICE! Love to see everyone getting inspired to do fun stuff

[@stevensmith909]

The brown/sepia actually does have an effect. It’s more of a feel. I have do it with my storm cast. I have used green with the hulk figure I painted. Gray is a no brainer. Other colors I have not tried. Thank you for the video.

[@OniGanon]

For an underpainting, I'd say brown/sepia still beats black.

[@VanHoering]

Excellent!

[@pdubb9754]

You are seeing subtlety that my eyes do not pick up.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

That's fair and that's also a sign of little exact paint recipes really matter.

[@Hartwig870]

Being a youtube video probably doesn't help picking it up the details either.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

@Hartwig870 I do my best to convey and color correct the videos but I can't control the device you watch it on. Also different cameras are different at rendering some colours

[@pedroterrades6129]

Sorprende el resultado final. ¿pusiste alguna pasada mas de algun express? O es solo con una pasada cada color? Gracias.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Solo una pasada de cada color

[@kendo5862]

Think they all look better than the standard “monochromatic” B&W zenithal imo…they don’t have that slap-chop look about them (which is a compliment!)

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Thanks, I totally agree

[@darrenlikemyfatherbeforeme]

Watching your video's will alway be a double edged sword for me On the one hand its inspiring to see what a world class painter is capable of but on the other its so depressing to know that however much i practice i will never be able to achieve the standards you seem to reach without even trying, ohh well, back to the painting desk for me !!!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

You can most definitely do what's shown here. Everyone can!

[@morcar8991]

Super interesting video. I think "Bag of Bones" is no bone color, rather its a reference to the beige of the Knochensack, the blouse of german wwii Paratroops

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

We designed it to be a bone colour but because it was toned by the Vallejo people they could very well have gone for an historical reference. After all they are specialists in paints for historical miniatures.

[@morcar8991]

@JuanHidalgoMiniatures Hehe, I think you use this color like it is intended. It happens that I also own a couple of classic archers. I'll copy this techniqe

[@j-henry7391]

This what's a great video but in my experience as someone who does the base color in red, the colors don't really tie together for me until I paint the bases so I would have loved to have seen these models with painted bases just to see the finished product. Tienes contenido en español? Quizás tienes recomendaciones? Me gustaría ver más contenido como este en el español. Saludos!

[@TheAndrian463]

Nice. Should take it further by using different underpainting colours (complementary ones) for various parts of the model.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

100% just not for the scope of this video

[@DarthBalthasar]

Currently trying to find a recipe for my Emperor's Children and of course the new range coming out soon. I've been experimenting with Cardinal Purple for the armor from the Xpress range. The trim is with a black Xpress color. Got any pointers or recommendations which undercoat would work best for both? Would be much appreciated 🙂

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

I'm working on a Zero Skill Purple, stay tuned

[@DarthBalthasar]

@@JuanHidalgoMiniatures wooooooop thanks, looking forward!!! Love your channel, mate! :D

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

@DarthBalthasar and I love you 😘

[@gardiananthony5224]

Really nice experience! Which metal paint did you use for the metal? It looks great!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

The metal bits are: Iron Hands Steel Wash with Dark Tone Highlight mixing Iron Hands and Chrome from Model Air Finally I did some spots of Strong Tone on the larger parts

[@TheYeray101]

Bastante interesante el experimento! Creo que el sombreado en azul puede quedar bastante resultón para un ejército de Soulblight Gravelords dándoles un toque “nocturno” 😂

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Sin duda! De hecho sería perfecto

[@leonatus221]

Nice thx

[@deadminiatures]

Cool video!)❤ thanx for the experiment) but wasn’t a white brush too heavy?

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Maybe, hindsight is 2020 after all

[@DocFubar89]

I think I wanna try the purple and green undertones

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Do it! It's a lot of fun to experiment

[@DocFubar89]

@JuanHidalgoMiniatures for sure. I have a killteam I wanna see it on. The variations should be super cool

[@brunocanilho9336]

Hi Juan! So looking at the way you did the previous bretonian infantry and this bretonian archers whitch is the best? This looks quicker. Without the white zenital.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

I like the original method even if it takes longer. Makes for a better result

[@ArmyShaper]

Nosotros después de la primera imprimación negra, siempre hacemos una segunda capa en verde oscuro, azul noche o púrpura precisamente con esa intención de hacer unas sombras más interesantes. La próxima vez probaré con esa mezcla verde-marrón, a ver qué tal.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Muy buena idea!

[@Croatoam97]

which would you say would work best for yellow?

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Light purple or pink. Watch my Zero Skill Yellow video

[@evelynlamoy8483]

I never got around to painting my team, but assembled a team of Slaneshi chaos marines whose whole thing playing music while riding war vehicles into battle like the dude from mad max fury road. Anyways, I did up a big complex chart planning out all the different under paint and over paint combos I could do similar to this for colors that are varied but cohesive. Shame I never got around to finishing them but I got REALLY sick and by the time I was well enough to get back into it, I lost interest in the hobby.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

AMAZING PROJECT

[@horatio_]

I prefer watching JH slapchop vs me slapchopping 10 out of 10 times…

[@lanesteele240]

Hello juan

[@EdAllen]

Tried this over the last couple days on a squad of Space 1889 Martian colonial infantry to vary up the khaki colors and make it more interesting. Worked nicely. Posted the results on Insta and Bluesky.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Nice!

[@dantehedge8414]

'Undercolor' is a strong way to cheat depth.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

It really is

[@brunocanilho9336]

How did the black/brown/sepia/flesh washes behaved?

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Black is very neutral, brown the same. Flesh a bit less intense and warmer with the sepia almost having no effect

[@Juample]

Juan, are the hi resolution pictures available anywhere?

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Link is in the description!

[@davicanabrava9844]

How much do you thin down the contrast paints?

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Most of them nothing at all. The ones I did it's noted in the video.

[@johnbryant6690]

I've wondered this for a bit and didn't want to lay out a bunch of miniatures for it.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Happy to help!

[@johnbryant6690]

@JuanHidalgoMiniatures so many years ago I painted using white primer and brown washes as guide coats. Almost a reverse slap chop. Then I painted with ink only for the base colors and mid-tones. Then paint for some layers and highlights. This was for Khorne Berserkers and Khornate demons (the old metal beastial Bloodletters) This made for a very wet, lustrous, glossy look. How does the relate to you video? This could really speed things if I wanted to recreate this and use different color undercoats to achieve variation. Thank you again.

[@Juample]

Me encanta el vídeo y me encanta el resultado! Gracias Juan!

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

@Juample un placer guapetón 😘

[@trekbrooker2692]

Sounds like you were pretty happy with the colour blue there 😅...

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Lol

[@xyonblade]

Green undercolor could work good for zombie flesh if you still wanted the zombie to look a little "fresh" by using a more normal flesh tone in top

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

100% each colour has it's uses, just not for Bretonnians

[@jorgemontero6384]

And you found the real reason it's a crime that people recommend buying Agrax and Nuln Oil, when Athonian Camoshade And Druchii Violet, or their equivalent in other lines, are just the better choices for most things. My third and fourth most common shades are Drakenhof Nightshade and Reikland Fleshshade, but those are not for underpainting, but for metallics. Vallejo Metal color Duraluminium and Copper turn into very different things with a little shading. If it's plague weapons, we can go back to the violet or the camo.

[@williamcat3159]

Double slapchop

[@WozWozEre]

Slapslapchopchop or slapchopslapchop?

[@williamcat3159]

@WozWozEre slapchopslapchop

[@mart1n287]

i think the drybrush was too much of an overbrush and not enough of an actual drybrush. I would like to see this done again but with an airbrush as applicator and thus a different shadow and a different highlight color (so not black and white but e.g. purple and yellow)

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Definitely an interesting approach

[@maxbrandt6]

Very washy.

[@JuanHidalgoMiniatures]

Wishi-washi for sure

[@el_jesus7746]

buen video, buena idea, salut!