Can "Fat" and "Fit" Influencers Find Common Ground? | Middle Ground

[@nessa749]

It was interesting to see one of the “fit” influencers being someone on a weight loss journey. The diversity is eye opening because often we think of someone who’s already made it

[@Ray03595]

@@15xChampions it's all about being coddled and told you're always in right, and how special you are, with gen z, and some millennials. Really cant stand it. Seems many people cannot handle when folks are real about their motivations and don't stick to the script on how you SHOULD behave, and feel. The amount of people worried for Nick, merely because he has self-motivation, is just sad. And I think it's a problem this channel has always sort of had. The people they choose to get on their shows are very clearly fame-seekers and will say/do anything to be the most charming person on the video. Nick clearly had no interest and was just being real.

[@15xChampions]

@@Ray03595 spot on bro. We live in a society today where people get praised for being unhealthy? Its ridiculous.

[@ZVLIAN]

@@15xChampions yeah dude thanks for having iq

[@D3ad.R0ses]

@@Ray03595 uh I don’t 100% disagree, but you do realize that eating disorders/disordered eating/addiction is a valid worry, not saying it’s what he’s dealing with, but it’s very very common

[@D3ad.R0ses]

@@15xChampions no one gets praised for being unhealthy???

[@hannass4797]

"Just because you're into fitness, doesn't mean you're into health." True, your body needs exercise, but there are unhealthy relationships to fitness too.

[@yogibear3761]

i mean if your physically fit , you feel mentally better (personal experience)

[@JusRed48]

@@yogibear3761 This is true but you can still have toxic and unhealthy habits that don't relate to your physical fitness. My brother is a gym freak in a dead end job with relationship issues, mental health issues, alcoholism, feelings of loneliness, and he stresses out hugely. For him physical fitness is a brief escape and there is more he could be doing for his actual health that he doesn't.

[@TheSuperNats]

@@yogibear3761 if you’re physically fit you CAN feel mentally better but there’s a lot of people who are fit who have body dysmorphia, who are addicted to working out, who never feel content and spiral into depression. Physical fitness whether healthy or not is not an indicator of MH.

[@mercyasuquo1375]

@@yogibear3761 it can also be an addiction. also, there are a lot of fitness gurus who also have body dysmorphia which can lead to mental health issues

[@nikaswords17]

And NEVER take diet advice from fitness trainers! They are NOT nutritionists…

[@auriannalogan391]

As a chunky chick I was disgusted with what was said about skinny shaming. don't diminish other peoples struggles because you think yours is more important. Body shaming hurts no matter what size you are.

[@jennyp1753]

Totally agree, my close friend has always been naturally thin. She has tried to gain weight in the healthiest way (increasing intake with healthy food choices - protein, etc). However, it’s difficult for her. The skinny shaming she received in HS still affects her till this day. It goes both ways.

[@quinten1919]

So now youre thinking yours is more important? Both as as bad as the other

[@auriannalogan391]

@@quinten1919 huh? I’m saying that it was disgusting that they were diminishing skinny shaming.

[@Tom-km3vo]

@@auriannalogan391 not sure bout that one mate

[@theorderofz]

@@Tom-km3vo lol, tell the skinny nerdy dude growing up who’s now jacked that his trauma is unjustified and see if u don’t get punched in the face

[@synaiapatrick3643]

I admire nick for being honest with his journey. You can tell there are some things that still bothers him which he probably needs to talk to someone, but he's not trying to please everyone by his responses, he is being authentic and voicing his experience and I feel like if it works for him then that's cool, and so many people may feel the same way he does.

[@strawberrydaurto3366]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. Like he is giving his perspective and it may be toxic or whatever these other comments are saying but he is still showing willpower and strength. He gotta do what he gotta do to get there. And I appreciate that.

[@anthonycampbell1276]

@@strawberrydaurto3366 bro I’ve been following nick for months on tiktok and he’s just a great guy with such willpower to better himself

[@nein2883]

Yeah but I feel like the way he thinks is just a road to self hatred, like if he thinks ppl only have value in their appearance he's never gonna be happy

[@Zaurkax14]

@@nein2883 yeah as someone who went through ED i see a lot of very alarming things in what he does and says. I hope he won't hurt himself in the long run, because his approach is not the best

[@shirogami4224]

@@anthonycampbell1276 does he have insta?

[@cooper712]

I do feel sad for Nick. He’s clearly struggling with a lot of self hatred and an eating disorder. I hope he gets the professional help he needs.

[@knqxr]

This. No one should have to hurt that much.

[@flamingaish]

exactly

[@TerryAE]

Right.

[@tkaymdala]

Determination

[@DavidLyles]

Perhaps this is his way of dealing with it. My brother used to weigh 360 pounds. Lots of self hatred. He one day said "I'm tired of feeling this way." and went out and made a change. But it wasn't his positivity or determination that allowed for this change, it was his own self loathing. He now weighs 180 pounds and is very physically fit. Tells me he's never been happier. I used to be solely for positive change, to use your determination. But he showed me that a negative outlook can sometimes lead to a positive change, and vice versa. When I hear Nick talk it reminds me how my brother used to be, maybe when he is fit he'll be happy, maybe not. If he isn't then I fully agree with your comment, I personally think it's too early to judge, sometimes all people need is time.

[@tanyanicole5920]

Honestly the skinny shaming portion really got to me. As someone who's been skinny her whole life, it's more than just clothes and underhanded compliments. No one except another skinny person can ever tell you how emotionally scarring it is to be called a 'living skeleton' every single day of your life, by family, friends and school mates. And when I was younger people always assumed my mother abused me and that I was malnourished just bc I was really skinny. So you can't really just boil down skinny shaming to "you are the beauty standard" or "underhanded compliments."

[@ezalainemae]

I can't even look at myself in the mirror because of how disgusting my ribs looks like, or the looks of the people when they see my knees and elbows.

[@ken3243]

and being pushed around a lot more

[@SpongeMixify]

had a friend think i had an eating disorder due to how skinny i was. little did she know i was struggling to GAIN weight but not seeing results.

[@itzelramz]

Same I've always been skinny and I enjoy working out and lifting weights, but I get told you don't need to go to the gym you're already skinny.

[@itzelramz]

​@@ezalainemae I really just dislike my legs, how skinny they are i can't wear skirts or dresses because people always comment on how thin they look.

[@findingmarga]

Body dysmorphia is different than feeling insecure about your body.

[@sajeallen1552]

i agree. I'm sick of seeing social media posts about "ten things that mean you might have body dysmorphia... you compare yourself to others." (Just a random example). Like no, you do not have a mental illness because you do things that everyone does. You have a mental illness when you're so fixated on your body you won't leave the house because someone might see you (etc). It really devalues the seriousness of people who truly do need help, making it seem like normal behaviour

[@poocrayon4588]

uh uh

[@TalesOfATeaAddict]

@@sajeallen1552 everyone experiences mental challenges differently, some people are very high functioning! Its rectangle square, everyone with body dysmorphia is insecure about their body, but not everyone who is insecure about their body has body dysmorphia. I personally am very body secure, and pretty much never compare myself to others bc I love my body and know it does what it needs to do--its very easy to generalize your experience to everyone in ways that just are not true.

[@queenrudshel]

But isn’t that what LEADS to body dysmorphia?

[@slsthewriter1299]

Yeah, it's a similar thing to "anxiety is just worrying" or "depression is being sad". Like yes, it is, but body dysmorphia is insecurity with your body to an _extreme_ the same way anxiety and depression are to the extremes. Which…people don't just understand, though I digress.

[@TheSuperkeks888]

I hope life will get better for Nick in the future

[@miahtaylor2802]

Agreed. I think he has more going on deep down

[@KateCarew]

He really seems to be in the midst of an uncomfortable process :(

[@Goldi-Luc]

He seems like hes in such a bad place mentally i hope he can figure out he is worth so much more than his body

[@joho3799]

At least he's consciously trying to be better. Rather you should worry about the two fatties in denial and the other two people pleasing.

[@Chelseaaaa333]

@@joho3799 Yes they’re worrying about the person who is admittedly running on self hatred rather than the two people who have come to terms with their bodies but still find reason to work on themselves…you could use some help too with a comment like that. Hope you seek it.

[@itsjustesper]

Skinny shamming is so much more than underhand compliments. I remember being embarrassed having only one particular brand in one particular size actually fit me correctly. Had to go out of the way to find clothes that didn’t fall off of me. I’ve been bullied verbally and physically for being super skinny. Had a girl push me cause she wanted to see how easy it would be since I was as frail as a twig. A boy I had a crush on said he would never date me because “Who would be interested in a girl who’s arms are skinnier than her glasses?” And a huge part of why I was so skinny was because of medication I had to take. I couldn’t help it. No amount of chicken was “going to put meat on my bones”. And when I did get off medication and get to a “normal size” every one kept commenting on it making me feel even more insecure! Ended up with an eating disorder trying to get back down to an unhealthy weight again. Both sides have their problems to deal with. It’s never cool to judge someone based on their appearance because you truly never know what that person is going through. Just be kind to each other!!!

[@jiminieee7682]

im sorry u went through that but u have to understand that you are still the standard in the west

[@sarahmsrkey4416]

@@jiminieee7682 ok and? they obviously understand that and its not because someone is the beauty standart that u cant bodyshame them

[@simpanime7070]

First of all super skinny ain't the standard no more and super big isn't either it's pear or hourglass shape which requires you to have some junk in the trunk or some boobs so while it might be ideal to you both ends of the spectrum are not idealistic to the beauty industry at the moment.

[@loveavable]

I've been skinny shamed numerous times when i was younger because I was skinny ( very skinny) it took a long time for me to gain my self confidence and to be oke with how I look

[@stephk1970]

THIS 👏👏👏 have had this exact same experience, and to have people say "well you should just be thankful you're skinny" while I'm literally bullied for it? The double standard is unreal..

[@josephreis2915]

“Some people say I have an eating disorder, but I am seeing results.” Yes that is an eating disorder, 90% of people with eating disorders see results, that is the point

[@Jacob-pz4ku]

How is fasting an easting disorder

[@myles6557]

@@Jacob-pz4ku fasting one time is not. Repeatedly doing it is.

[@mikeandthethreemusketeers3738]

@@myles6557 Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you supposed to fast mulitple times to...see results?

[@re_i_gn]

@@Jacob-pz4ku his way of dieting is unhealthy and unsustainable. I wish the best for him but this isn't the ideal way to go on the long run and I hope he realizes it soon.

[@Katnnissgetta]

@@Jacob-pz4ku fasting 24 hours multiple times is very much an eating disorder

[@iluvchocymilk]

it's sad how Nick said hating himself made him want to lose the weight but he should love himself enough to want to be healthy and change

[@geandraige3936]

It's a weird form of love which many people misinterpret I mean exercising hurts most common arguement you will use is if I love myself why am I hurting myself on the other hand the other argument is I hate myself this pain will help me change into something I love Both are wrong but hey at least that hate arguement may give you a vessel from which your life will become easier

[@bgee3737]

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

[@ferretappreciator]

Right. He fuels himself with his hatred of his body, and then thinks everyone without muscles or who isn't a string bean should feel just like he does, or else they're encouraging him to be unhealthy in his eyes

[@chihiroogino7464]

Nah, I don’t think so. People are motivated in different ways. Some are motivated by money, sex, praise, being happy you’re making progress, hating where you are in life. As long as you’re heading to a happier/better version of yourself, do whatever works for you. I was miserable at my old job. I hated who I had to be to keep that job. That motivated me to get my s*** together and get another one. I did the same for weight loss, and I really don’t see why everyone is feeling sorry for Nick when I’m so proud of him for trying in his own way.

[@meanuwuhnia598]

that sounds nice on paper but real life doesn’t work like that

[@uniqueloony]

"Loving myself made me eat kfc three times a day, hating myself encouraged me to be different." As a therapist this statement stopped me dead in my tracks. I assure you, that what you mistook for "loving yourself" definitely was not. Loving yourself is a journey, so please do not give up on yourself. And I don't know if Nick is ever going to read this, but if you do, please, if you care about your followers, do not teach them self-hate. I promise you self-hate is a lot more destructive than anything. No one deserves that.

[@xdtijnntssyu3314]

No you’re wrong because self hate made me lose weight too it works

[@uniqueloony]

@@xdtijnntssyu3314 I never said that self-hate won't get you to lose weight. So, I am not sure what you are disagreeing to. Self-hate, like any other punishing strategy, can work on the short term. Like a parent beating their child into obedience sometimes yields obedience on the short term. However, it also has long term implications. Same as self-hate in the realm of weight loss, it could lead to obsessive and disordered thinking around food, as well as body image issues and it takes a huge toll on the individual's mental and physical health. EDs could be life threatening and they are heavily based in self-hate. The unfortunate fact is some people think that the only way to lose weight is to hate themselves, and that is the saddest thing to me. The truth is Self-hate is a big component of the disordered eating patterns that result in weight gain. If you haven't suffered the negative consequences of self-hate I am very happy for you. But, please do not promote it. Like any other form of hate, it is a strategy that more often than not backfires. And "hating yourself into happiness" is the definition of an oxymoron.

[@breewoodward3651]

@@uniqueloony I agree with you 100% and am surprised not more people are saying it. Nick is portraying very dangerous values of himself.

[@Vivacious_Chaos]

Agreed, I completely paused when he said, "I ate KFC because I loved myself." Loving oneself can be different for everyone but I feel universally it involves not hurting ourselves through any outlet including food.

[@cheriseh.5142]

THANK YOUU!!! loving yourself means you love yourself enough to take care of yourself and I'm pretty sure he misunderstood that. I want to be a therapist as well btw!

[@marianne4902]

I understand Nick. I’ve been Nick. However, please remember that you can’t hate yourself into a version that you’ll love.

[@spoilerguy7285]

i can

[@chris1275cc]

Did it. Hated myself overweight love myself skinny and fit. In my experience loving yourself leads to nothing but maintaining the status quo.

[@nicolamutton]

I did

[@ntr10me]

"...you can't hate yourself...love" - It's a point that is really hard to unlearn. Well said.

[@itzsweetz83]

Just because you used juxtaposition doesn't mean what you said is true grow up and lose some weight 👍

[@arianam6430]

In my own personal experience, I find that regularly going to the gym and eating well has benefited me a lot more than not. I've been overweight for a bit of time now and I've worked through my own inner demons about my own self acceptance- but my reality is that I'm overweight because I eat takeout when I'm stressed and too tired or too busy to cook. When it comes to my mental health, going to the gym and eating right is a form of self care and I've noticed the better moods when I do that. These days, I'm no longer chasing a weight loss goal- just a consistency goal. I want to feel better, for longer.

[@strawberrydaurto3366]

Wow written really well! I can really relate to you. And like you said it’s about consistency, but I can’t help but think “I’m I losing weight” and then I put my head in a negative mindset and just stop doing what I’m doing. I just want to be consisten. Why is consistency so hard to obtain. Like it’s a mental game, and it’s hard to obtain that strength and willpower. I feel better doing healthy stuff because I feel my moods change for the better. And this is why I’m on this back and forth thing about going to the gym and eating healthy. I go to school and I work so I use the excuse of that to not workout. I’m so over it. I just want to be happy and feel comfortable with myself but not feel like it’s a burden and struggle. Lol I’m a bit over the place rn but I hope to be more likeminded like you.

[@poocrayon4588]

All people need to do to lose weight is cut out almost all processed foods and the pounds will fly off, even if your not working out all the time. Cut out sugar, salt and processed breads (get a bread maker) and only eat fish, eggs or chicken for protein. There are still a lot of sweet things you can eat but you'll have to get your girlfriend or Mom or your girlfriends Mom to get in a routine of making them for you, because store bought treats are full of the bad stuff that fattens you up.

[@sajeallen1552]

@@poocrayon4588 orrrr, here's an idea.... you'll have to get into a routine of making them? not a woman.

[@ygerman1539]

@@sajeallen1552 out of everything he said you only took that part out of his comment smh. You just want drama lol.

[@arianam6430]

@@poocrayon4588 lol what? All your suggestions are bad. Sustained weightloss doesn't come from drastically cutting out whole food groups from your diet- especially if you're like me and you love pasta and bread. I lost 15 pounds by consistently exercising and making better proportioned meals, with ingredients that weren't calorically dense, and addressed my bad habits of overeating and ordering take out when I'm upset.

[@sofia-vp5xv]

I really appreciate Nick for bringing up his thinner friend and her point of view. He hasn’t been through what she has and yet he brought her experience of skinny shaming to light. I was relentlessly bullied, especially in middle school, for being skinny. After that trauma it sticks with you throughout your life; at least for me it has.

[@glasshalffull1992]

It doesn’t sound like she was skinny shamed. He literally said she wanted bigger boobs and a bigger butt. She just sounded insecure, didn’t mention anyone shaming her. The modeling interesting will not skinny shame. Do you know how many models have come out and talked about how they wished they weren’t asked to lose so much weight?

[@superwavvy5133]

I love how civil the conversation was and how everyone just understanding of either perspective

[@OHOE1]

zyzz edit ultra mode

[@chiefqueef1256]

It was sad to see how much they just don't understand about being skinny. Especially as a dude, I've never gotten a single comment on my appearance regarding my weight. Ever. It's always being made fun of, people calling me weak, a skeleton, a twig, and I think the worst part is that it's just socially acceptable for people to behave this way because "it's not as bad". Any kind of shaming or bullying is not okay, and seeing them say that being skinny is "the beauty standard" and saying that we can always find clothes (which isn't the case, being a 6" 120 - 130 lb guy) is just a complete misunderstanding and misrepresentation of what being skinny is like.

[@nathangaspacio6128]

As someone with above average muscle it's really hard to find clothes that fit me. All of the shirts I wear are too loose around the neck because I have to wear sizes above whats mean for my height. I also have really long legs so I have to wear jeans with like a 34 inch waist to be long enough. Makes it worse having less access to brands from living in NZ. I can also really relate to the skinny stuff as getting bullied for it is why I got into the gym.

[@ashervirin9698]

Why would you accept them to when they’ve been a rolling blobby tumbleweed their whole life

[@dialohurt4333]

💯💯

[@rello2fine]

I feel like it hurts straight men more when it comes to being skinny. As a skinny gay guy being skinny was like a benefit because people don’t expect me to be strong and all that. I just find it weird how it all works

[@mcloughlinguy4127]

Finally someone said it Skinny guys get constantly made fun of and no one talks about it

[@allgood7088]

Nick was the only one who had the guts to say he feels pressure to look a certain way for their followers. Clearly they all feel that pressure, both ways.

[@joebonen353]

Definitely

[@BombshElle_7]

The "I Suffered From An Eating Disorder" question had me shook. I did not expect them ALL to sit down. Nor have I ever heard of the hCG diet, and I am so saddened by the fact some doctors actually recommended that! I wanted to give them all a hug after that one.

[@mrbounceoffwithdat4420]

No way actual doctors recommend this diet. She must be watching some instagram MDs.

[@Headphone-Heroes]

hCG isn't approved for weightloss, they would lose their license if they recommended this lol.

[@xdtijnntssyu3314]

500 calorie diet is normal what do you mean? the diets I used to do are more extreme than that, I would only eat 3 meals in one week and they will be 300 calories! and I did that for a long time and it was amazing I felt amazing and lost a lot of weight

[@mrbounceoffwithdat4420]

@@xdtijnntssyu3314 500 calories is not normal stop the cap you dummy. 2.5k for men 2k for women. Literally lying out of wazoo.

[@BombshElle_7]

@@xdtijnntssyu3314 We're so happy for you.

[@kalidays7459]

I really liked Timothea, I did not expect her to have such an open perspective

[@madisonkiel5084]

exactly what i was thinking!!

[@meganpetterle7132]

Why did you not expect her to have an open perspective?

[@weallknowwho]

I agree! She is very understanding and very well spoken.

[@samanthaphilipps7041]

I loved her and I appreciate that she has a stance that being skinny doesn't equal healthy. And because of her positive mindset, I'm going to start following her.

[@JB-pp1kt]

@@meganpetterle7132 kinda my thought. Maybe it’s cuz of the white blonde pretty girl persona.

[@kaleidojess]

5:44 eating KFC three times a day is not self love. That’s eating to compensate for something. Self love is more than just comfort. Self love also means telling ourselves no sometimes and pushing ourselves when we’re tired because we know the end goal is worth it. Today’s self love is not self love at all mostly.

[@kaleidojess]

He’s on a journey, we’re all on a journey. I think he’s hard on himself and overweight people.

[@shaquilleoatmeal1048]

He said quote on quote

[@rubyszpeflicki3800]

Body dysmorphia isn't not liking the way you look and not everyone has it...not even a little bit. I understand what he has trying to say but not liking how you look and having diagnosed body dysmenorrhea are 2 very different things

[@crazyfangirl2797]

Its being obsessed with the way you look and being focused on your flaws. A lot of people get it die to the media.

[@lauragoreni3020]

Yeah seems like he never did his research about the mental/psychological part of body image.

[@aryanni]

@@crazyfangirl2797 nah that's not what body dysmorphia is either lol. I genuinely dk what I look like. ur perception of yourself is morphed

[@dakotalove8015]

@@aryanni this is a facttttt!! Its literally like being delusional…I suffered all through high school with body dysmorphia before it was a common thing to talk about and I didn’t even realize how skinny and unhealthy looking I looked…all while people would tell me like “wow you lost so much weight” and I LITERALLY never ever seen it until I worked on my mental health smh

[@ashleev2319]

I think he got confused with body dysmorphia and body dysphoria

[@TheRealMTR]

Woah that first question...it's enlightening to watch folks redefine phrases such as "healthy lifestyle" in a way to fit their particular way of life... Edit: yo Jubilee, put me on one of these panels!

[@ZUKOKBG]

lol i thought the same... But wait is that MTR IN THE HOUSE!!!

[@flamingaish]

True

[@RobinGoncalvesThe1St]

Not taking responsibility is their way of life.

[@andyk6192]

Also like health is subjective. Anyone living with a marginalized or oppressed body/identity, chronic illness, or disability is acutely aware of this. Health is also a privilege in a country (I’m in the US) where healthcare is not free and nearly half the country lives hand-to-mouth. Health is a virtue in America but we often fail to realize that it is not the personal responsibility we have been told it is because our formative values favor individualism.

[@teratoma.]

@@andyk6192 government obviously impacts how cheap and easy is to obtain healthy food, but the fact youre saying "it's not personal responsibility" while also starting the paragraph with "healthy is subjective" is hilariously telling lemme guess, u have weight problems

[@turtleguy7976]

So relieving to see a middle ground where everyone is 100% chill with eachother

[@MrDW-ei1fe]

Everyone turns into a psychiatrist in a jubilee comments section.

[@MsDudette21]

when we have so many people that are obese the average person can tell you have weight problems just by looking at you...it says alot.

[@star_etraWrites]

@@MsDudette21 No. It says someone eats more than their intended caloric intake. You have ZERO clue what someone is going through just by looking at them. Narrowminded much?

[@fyecofi]

@@star_etraWrites Yea, tell that to all the people that are saying Nick is depressed or in a bad place because he wants to lose weight.

[@heatherblaire3269]

I had a really bad eating disorder and I want to make it clear: society has NEVER influenced me to have an eating disorder. I could have cared less what others thought. If I did, I would have recovered much faster and easier. It's NOT about food. It's about control. Eating disorders are much more complicated than that

[@stonermeetsworld4413]

I appreciate your perspective on this. It’s interesting to hear because EDs are always seen as just an intense obsession with how you look and doesn’t account for all of the nuanced motivations that drive you to restrict eating/overeating.

[@argenti3324]

Agree! People are different and it depends on the person!

[@izzyslattery]

There's significant relationship between people having eating disorders and those who were sexually abused as children. Food becomes a way for these people to have control over their bodies and what they do with it. It doesn't help that society affirms behaviours that make people lose weight. Just a way for people to be positively reinforced into continuing to harm themselves, as it both helps with their control issues AND the way they're perceived by others. Not everyone who has an eating disorder was sexually abused, but most who have been sexually abused can end up having an eating disorder. It's so twisted 😞

[@LesleyDeLaUz]

YESSSSS!!!!! We need to talk about this. A lot of eating disorders is about having a sense of control when you feel like your life is out of control

[@camilla9498]

Exactly. Its a coping mechanism. The urge of wanting control and staying in control

[@KingAtheist]

I think everyone here can feel and understand what Nick is going through. He hates himself and he feels insecure with his body and that's OK. The positive thing I took from him is that his doing something about it. He's not just talking but his doing what he need to do to achieve his goal. I wish nothing but the best for him.

[@ggman_]

According to the World Health Organization: Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity. And I think it's important that we always remember that when discussing body and health.

[@geehanel-abbassi7220]

so you agree one cannot exist without the other. you cannot deem someone to be unhealthy just by looking at their physicality

[@ggman_]

@@geehanel-abbassi7220 Yes, I totally agree with that!!!

[@geehanel-abbassi7220]

@@ggman_ sorry my bad i wasnt sure if this was leaning more “physicality = healthy” or not but thanks for clarifying!

[@ggman_]

@@geehanel-abbassi7220 No problem ^^

[@user-pd9xj1bt4e]

Yes, that shows that being overweight is not healthy as they lack physical well being

[@charleneswinney6172]

I've been skinny my whole life was always told ohhhh u need to eat more, ur always cold cause u have no meat on ur bones. I had a problem eating in front of ppl cause if I didn't eat enough then ppl would tell me that's y ur skin and bones u don't eat enough. Being called names all my child hood. Boys telling me I'm not "thick" enough. All that gave me body issues growing up. I used to try and eat til I felt sick so I can gain weight. Then I learned as I got older that I just have a high metabolism. So I'm being shamed for something I have no control over. Especially being black and having "no butt". Just cause I'm skinny doesn't mean I don't have body image issues. I'm 36 now and still struggle with it.

[@emyyyxx]

i’m so sorry. i can’t completely relate to your struggle, i had privileges in being skinny/ white. but every comment wether it was positive or negative about how skinny i was rly stuck in my head and hurt me. people need to just not make comments at all about others bodies.

[@rubyy.7374]

Lots of people say that they wish they had a fast metabolism, but thanks to hearing from people like you, I realize that it’s not all it’s cut out to be. At the end of the day, no matter what end of the spectrum you are, people are going to make fun of you and you’ll have to seek satisfaction in yourself.

[@bobsburgers8497]

It pissed me off when he said when people are skinny shamed they’re just backhanded compliments and you can still find your size in most stores, that’s literally not true for people who naturally extremely skinny.

[@mounze90]

I’m sorry that you experienced that! It bothers me how people are always keen to judge others appearance no matter how they look. I had a cousin who suffered the same judgement as you, I always envied that she would never gain weight no matter what she eats but people used to mock her for that, in her twenties she got tired of it and started taking weight gain pills ( that are quite common where I’m from) and thing went bad, it’s like she was inflated. And guess what? People mocked her for that too! Really what I got from it is that we ought to love ourselves and ignore/block negativity because a lot of people try feeling less miserable by mocking and bullying others

[@GirlDo3]

Yeah skinny shaming in the black community is bad cuz the standard in the black community is to be thick

[@zofiafarkasova3940]

it made me really happy to see a middle ground video where no side was directly attacking the other one and no one interrupted the speech of the other person. done really respectfully and peacefully

[@hozic9929]

Neasi

[@Everythingsagopodcast]

And skinny shaming is VERY much real and it’s nothing to do with a backhanded compliment like they tried to make it. It’s funny how people feel like ur supposed to be sensitive to their struggles but don’t wanna be sensitive to other’s. This conversation was extremely one sided imo. U can’t talk about “body shaming” and don’t recognize all of it.

[@justbeingjake]

Facts

[@johannduplessis3467]

Everything's A Go podcast I 100% though the same. They literally think skinny people have no issues and everyone just automatically love them

[@claire3318_]

i know!! i was so surprised when people actually agreed with the statement …

[@epicipodmodz]

@V King small dudes that struggle to gain muscles also get a lot of “skinny shaming”

[@bloodyunicorn3667]

Exactly!

[@lindsaym756]

I appreciate Nick's vulnerability, I just wish he was able to realize that you don't need to hate yourself in order to want better for yourself. It's a difficult thing to learn but I hope that he'll find peace loving who he is on the inside other loving how he wants to look on the outside.

[@macca3666]

Skinny shaming sucks. I've always been an underweight guy and very skinny, no matter what I ate. I remember someone calling me 'bony' in primary school. Then I remember the first thing anyone ever said to me on my first day of high school, an older kid - "Are you anorexic or something?". It made me think being skinny is the first thing anyone sees about me, and that I looked 'wrong'. I was diagnosed with body dysmorphic disorder once, I don't know if that's true or not, all I knew was that I agreed I looked 'wrong', unhealthy, hated it and was not comfortable in my body or people looking at me at all. It was a big part of my clinical depression and being suicidal for two years. That was 10 years ago. I'm no longer pathological, I'm completely functioning, I've worked as best I can at overeating and going to the gym to put on healthy weight. I have a little bit, and the experience of partners saying they find my body attractive helped. But I'll always be self-conscious and feel like I stick out because I'm skinny. If someone ever mentions it in the workplace, at a party, wherever, no matter how rare, it still hits my like a truck. Making fun of someone's appearance or making them feel like something is very 'wrong' with their natural physical appearance is horrible, it can be scarring for life - I can see how what I experienced can apply to someone being overweight, their skin colour, anything.

[@hozic9929]

As a skinny guy this is so true... Going to gym is hard when everyone tells you to just eat and stuff... Like bruh im trying to better myself don't bring me down again

[@delirium1326]

This was a lot more civil than I thought it would be.

[@markofellow]

Every time I watch middle ground and noticed that it's not an equal number, I always think "did Jubilee intentionally made it that way or did the last person decided to bail out last second/something came up??" I would think its the latter.

[@nashi._.7563]

In one episode where it was 2 vs 3. They said one person bailed last minute in the beginning. I can’t remember which topic that was but it was one of the first times someone didn’t show

[@cclift5691]

this like barely happens, it’s usually j due to someone bailing within a short notice

[@imrebeccap]

I know this is old but I think Nick was supposed to be the gap between the two "extremes"

[@Cthulhu_t]

@@nashi._.7563 it was the military one

[@YourMsRightHere]

There is a somewhat interesting UK show called Supersize vs Super Skinny and it is really interesting to see how related disordered eating is on both sides of the scale. We are all disconnected from our bodies. This is a much healthier conversation than I thought it would be.

[@serenityq26]

as someone who used to be skinny, here is my story: i've been rejected romantically cause i was "too skinny", i've been called "anorexic" because i was skinny. not all skinny shaming is "cute"

[@hikkyhaihikkyho318]

i was told in middle school that my parents don't love me because i'm skinny and clearly don't feed me

[@DevilAndAdvocate]

I was called flat in school, and also one of my partners said to me that I should gain weight, because I will be "sexier"

[@Ankku98]

​@@DevilAndAdvocate horrible. I hope you dumped that partner. A partner should accept you for how you are. Thats really disgusting behavior to me.

[@DevilAndAdvocate]

@@Ankku98 yes, I dumped him. And the best you can do with such comments is understand, that this is their vision, not yours. And you can change your vision with love to yourself (if it is toxic). And don't spend your time with such individuals, of course

[@emersonbrown3792]

I can already tell this video is gonna be tough to sit through

[@tyroneloki5131]

Your wrong...its soft. Not asking the questions of what is really a healthy lifestyle, or body.

[@somebrid2147]

It was aight.

[@MsDudette21]

lol only if you're obese and in denial of the health issues.

[@stellalegolasnevolous4666]

It wasn't at all!

[@purpleesc]

it was much better than i thought it was gonna be ngl

[@Siaami.]

it also disappoints me that i don’t really see anyone in the comments talking about how what they said about skinny shaming is wrong, the things they said is no where near what skinny shaming is or what it feels like to be having those things said to you, it’s not a “back handed compliment” or people telling you “oh i wish i was your size”

[@yayzzie]

I absolutely agree. shaming someone should not be compared and it shouldn’t be that one is worse than the other. both instances of shaming come from a place of hatred or anger or jealousy and both cause a person to feel absolutely terrible. why should those experiences be put on a “who has it worse?” scale. just because someone is thin people are allowed to speak about their weight? no. you shouldn’t speak or shame ANYONES weight whether it’s a backhanded compliment or if it’s straight up being rude.

[@elliebradford5122]

exactly, i wish they read actual comments we get

[@SHEGOsLair]

true.

[@teetheluchador]

Comparatively , which the question was. Yes it basically boils down to backhanded compliments

[@Siaami.]

@@teetheluchador speaking majorly on my experience, it was more offensive comments than backhanded compliments, being asked if your anorexic and told to eat more when you’re a balanced weight and height for your age makes people think there’s something wrong with them.

[@saje239]

I HATE the way bigger people will down play body shaming smaller people. My mother was constantly shamed for being too skinny and she ended up with an eating disorder. It is so self absorbed to assume your struggle is worse than everyone else.

[@UnlimitedEmeralds]

Yup, apparently it's okay to call someone sickly and skeletal because they're "too skinny". It goes both ways, people shouldn't be harassed over something that doesn't concern random strangers.

[@notaburneraccount]

I think sometimes people's views are limited if it's focused on themselves. It makes people unaware and making assumptions about people not like them. This can happen across lived experiences. Perhaps bridging can help with people of all body types listening to and supporting each other. That's just me though.

[@ThingEmmie21]

People don’t talk enough about how skinny shaming can lead to eat disorders

[@koma8412]

I honestly don’t agree with either of you. That last sentence, read your own paragraph and realize how you are the subject of it. Both of you are wrong, they are equally bad. Just go hit the gym lmao it’s not that hard to lose weight and put on muscle. I was 220 I’m now 180 and I look decent in my opinion.

[@LJam97]

Facts, they said no one places assumptions on skinny people that they would on a fatter person?! Definitely heard the coke head, eating disorder, egoistical assumptions.

[@agoodwasteoftime]

7:56 people need to stop throwing around body dysmorphia as a phrase and turning it into something its not. Body dysmorphia is not just wishing to look different. Its genuinely looking in the mirror and seeing your body look different that it is in reality. people keep throwing around that term and making it sound like its just being insecure when its not. its just another mental disorder that people are dumbing down to make it seem like its something that it's not. No, not everyone has body dysmorphia. I feel bad for that guy cause it seems like he's really stuck in some toxic thinking cycles.

[@lauragoreni3020]

Yep, therapy often goes along weight loss and there's nothing to be ashamed of.

[@CopperSucks]

yet another actual medical term ruined by people obsessed with self diagnosing themselves lmao

[@TheSpencer033]

its 2022. people self diagnose to collect mental issues like they were pokemon cards. its all about getting attention, because social media is turning everyone into self indulgent narcissists

[@jovondavis487]

If you wish that you looked different wouldn't that mean that they could see themselves in a different way? So wouldn't that fit body dismorphia.

[@jorgeotolio]

About body shaming: being skinny does not lead to finding clothes your size, not even in the children's or teenagers' section or online. Sometimes, one can get well-fitting clothes only if made specifically for them (at a much higher price that not everybody can afford). It may be different in other countries or regions though.

[@brieb4317]

Yeah I have to get custom pants because I’m tall and small waisted.

[@Meghna7891]

Come on, there is xs size, u can't be smaller than that, if smaller than that then it means u are invisible. So stop victimosing way toooo much. I understand that skinny shaming is there, but to an extend that u dont find clothes your size, that's too much drama😁

[@itsjustesper]

@@Meghna7891 I was on medication that caused me to loose weight to extreme extents. I really was in a place where we could not find clothes that fit. It’s not being dramatic. There are so many different body types so it’s not realistic to say that everyone fits in the cookie cutter sizes stores pump out

[@kieragrace1304]

@Meghna Tcr pls choose your words carefully. people read and can find your words as destructive towards themselves, which can invalidate themselves.

[@almondswt]

This is true I’m considered thick and lost weight to the point I was about 130 when I’m normally 150 and I was wearing xs shirts so I couldn’t imagine how people who were actually Xtra Small find properly fitting clothes. It’s hard on both ends of the spectrum

[@braveheartedlion]

When Tyler hit Nick with that “I was a 3 sport athlete who now works in the medical field” after he spoke about not being able to accept “complacency”. I can’t begin to express my level of satisfaction.

[@JackIsaacQ]

It wasn't a kick in the teeth, it was a curbstomp tbf

[@ChemistTea]

They're talking about two different things. Nick talks about how healthy he feels (being able to walk longer, jump higher etc) when losing weight, the Tyler talks about being able to lose weight and exercise. Tyler just isn't interested in losing weight for health, in his own accounts he said he was losing weight for competition, not for health reasons.

[@emmajeanjumpinbean]

@@ChemistTea that’s clearly not the case

[@Ray03595]

he's obviously been complacent about his health recently though. There isnt a person alive that big that wouldn't have health problems, or be at high risk of developing them. He is clearly obese which puts him in danger of several health issues, and you don't need a medical degree to know basic things like this.

[@LesleyDeLaUz]

@@Ray03595 Lots of thin people have health issues too. I had way more health issues when I was thinner than now. Im sick of people thinking they know someone's health by the way they look-you're not their doctor, you truly do not know.

[@erwinsmith9473]

Kind of feel sad for Nick. Hope everything goes well for him in the future

[@h0ly.dre88]

erwin 💪

[@erwinsmith9473]

@@h0ly.dre88 Ereh

[@15xChampions]

For trying to improve himself? LMAO. It's time we stop looking up to people who think its okay to be unhealthy.

[@fyecofi]

Wtf is wrong with you? You're sad he is trying to improve himself?

[@ghostofmisao.]

@@15xChampions He has a terrible view of himself and projects that towards others.

[@sunshinelavender1663]

The “thin shaming” she used as example was ridiculous… that is not at all what thin shaming is

[@courtneyerntson898]

There’s skinny shaming that’s not “I wish I could be like that” like being told to eat a cheeseburger because you’re too thin. No one is jealous when they’re saying that to you. And they may mean well but it can be incredibly hurtful… especially when you know you look too thin. I’ve been on both sides of the argument (overweight and underweight) and will say people are so much more comfortable telling someone they look ill, to eat a cheeseburger, or are too skinny, then they are telling them they’re overweight and to eat a salad.

[@saigie3908]

@R L Can u specify how it’s a bad take? Cause she is just explaining how micro aggressions is also skinny shaming too. Is there something I’m not seeing that u see?

[@y2m3e.45]

@R L nope

[@lexiekelly7913]

i mostly agree.. i think their both very inappropriate and neither are more or less worse than one another

[@saje239]

This was very much my experience as well and I was never even skinny, just a healthy weight. Basically my entire life, I was told I was too skinny, that I had no right being insecure that I needed to eat more, etc. This was almost always by larger females who were very malicious. When I got closer to 30 and became a bit over overweight, I was heavily criticized for saying I would like to lose 15 pounds. Again, almost exclusively larger females slamming me. Finally, when I became obese and needed to lose like 60 pounds, no one said anything about my body. Not once while I was obese was I ever shamed for the way I look, only for wanting to lose weight FOR MY HEALTH! It was never about beauty for me, but that's what they would always try to turn it into. I'm glad I never let myself listen to that. I'm down 50lbs, still slightly overweight, and I feel amazing!

[@DA-js7xz]

Yep. Skinny folks get bullied at lot more in person. It's sad.

[@andyk6192]

As a weight stigma researcher who is becoming an ED therapist, I love to see balanced conversations like this. It’s also refreshing to see people in fitness label their eating as disordered.

[@juliusdemissie9820]

You didn't need to add the therapist part tho?

[@moomoothecow3091]

@Dimetri Drossos Yes correct. Did you not hear Nick say he regurarly fasts for 24 hours???? Just because you come out skinnier doesn't mean you did it healthily.

[@danishbutter1847]

disordered hmmm more like unhealthy obsession in which humans have always been prone to that behavior whatever it is it even applies to living religiously for a set of values and strong beliefs and especially when taken to virtue.

[@glex9414]

@@danishbutter1847 an unhealthy obsession with food is a symptom of disordered eating. Disordered eating ≠ eating disorder, but an unhealthy obsession definitely meets criteria for disordered eating.

[@salami5801]

@D777ST It's refreshing because there is a stereotype that when you are fit, you are healthy. It differs from expectations, and shows more nuance to what health looks like. Fitness people care a lot about physique- but it's nice to see then that they still view mental health as a part of health overall. Life is about balance after all

[@kostas8537]

When Nick said "I'm hating myself to lose weight" I legit got so sad. I'm a person who's lost 200 pounds in less than 2 years and I am battling severe body dysmorphia BECAUSE I used to have that mindset for a while. At the end of my journey, I was refusing to see myself a person of normal weight and was still seeing an obese person while my size was medium and my bmi was at healthy

[@60hertzproductions64]

Ehhh, the second you hit that healthy weight where you feel light on your feet and get to eat what you want. Just sustain.

[@pizzaparkerhotdogmaguire3225]

He said, "It's okay but at the end of the day I hate how I feel" Self love ≠ letting go of yourself

[@riqo7255]

I’m reading this in disbelief this is my exact same story as if I typed this out myself I’m currently still “losing weight” but if anybody asks it’s but healthy exercise and dieting, which is a fcking lie. But I was 240 and now that I’m 180 and a size medium .. jus wanna say this comment hit different 🥊

[@jones897]

Homie you need help not Nick

[@Luna-yf7tq]

nick needs to talk to a therapist he seemsso tired

[@lauragoreni3020]

He should take care of the psychological part of weight loss, not only the physical part.

[@mollys1439]

yea he literally says he does 24 hours fasts and liquid diets so i’m assuming he has little energy

[@moomoothecow3091]

@Will Morgan She's probably right. 24 hour fasts put your body's metabolism in starvation mode. That combined with his exercising isn't healthy.

[@moomoothecow3091]

@Will Morgan Are you a doctor? Not that you'd be able to prove it but judging by your lack of intelligent argument I'd say no 😂

[@margosketch]

@Will Morgan instead of saying you don’t know what you’re talking about over again why don’t you combat with a solid argument. express your opinion on the matter if you are gonna keep telling people theirs is wrong

[@mochimochi6357]

Nick is insanely insecure and has a humongous projection issue, and I'm saying this as a skinny person lmao. He assumes that everyone hates their bodies and has the same ideals as him which is simply false, most people don't have body dysmorphia and not everyone wants to have the tiny frame of models--a lot of people are fine with a healthy body and living actively. I think it's really telling that he's relying on the hatred of his body to fuel himself while the fit guy isn't, that form of weight loss isn't sustainable and won't lead to him being genuinely interested in maintaining a lower weight (if he ever gets there)/finding fitness activities that he enjoys.

[@blinkbubs3994]

could you give an example of him projecting/assuming? EDIT: my bad, i mixed up tyler and nick. yeah i think youre right

[@nolanburrell4808]

I’m surprised more people in the comments haven’t been bringing this up because he was aggravating me

[@ni3070]

I don't think he thinks everyone feels that way, but isn't it true that many do? Using it positively is quite wonderful right? Also I think he wouldn't want to become model skinny, he just gave an example......but it's true that in order maintain fitness a different motivation is inevitable, but that's definitely easier than losing weight right?

[@mochimochi6357]

@@ni3070 no

[@BH-ix7nq]

Maybe it's more hatred of what he once looked like rather than what he looks like now? Perhaps it's relative. I don't necessarily think it's bad to use hate or even fear as a motivator, but it can obviously become too much. Balance is key in all areas of life

[@nicki1678]

Nick can't even love himself even though he’s lost weight. the real problem is not the body but his mind. I wish Nick has more positive thoughts in the future and respects others decisions more

[@pyrrols]

yup! and this is why a lot of people that get skinny from their eating disorder STILL feel extremely insecure and STILL feel the need to restrict their weight to dangerously low levels. because their minds aren't in the right place, as it is a disorder.

[@Bro_wat]

Tbh I disagree. He has a goal and is determined to achieve it. He has enough self respect to do something about his situation. You may think it’s self hate, but it could just be that he wants better for himself and is sick of sugar coating his situation. He may not be in the best condition now, but he will improve, and he’s definitely better than when he started. Sometimes self love is kicking yourself in the ass and telling yourself what needs to be heard

[@jerminho1070]

@@Bro_wat Exactly !

[@nj7969]

@Jacky : I don’t think that’s true. If you’ve accepted yourself wholly then why would you need to change? In order to motivate a change in behavior there has to be some stimulus or some level of lacking in acceptance of current position or behavior.

[@nj7969]

@Jacky : I’m still a little stuck on if you’ve accepted yourself as you are, what the point of improvement is.

[@supeldrix1135]

None of those examples were skinny shaming lol

[@alexacheri]

i strongly agree with nick on the first question. there are many influencers who promote being unhealthy as over-weight by saying "just love yourself its all you need" when it can lead to many health issues and problems with you and your self confidence overall.

[@omararreola5449]

People saying nick needs help but people also need understand he’s being really open and honest it seems to me a lot of people hide their demons making seem they need “more “ help

[@mitopolar3838]

just because his honesty and openness to talk about it , we realise that he need help (no in a judgy way, just let me think of how can I giving a hand to him)

[@Someone-fn3ij]

people say he needs help because they care about his mental health. you can love yourself and still lose weight

[@AvocadoPsoriasis]

I loved how Jessica explained their side of things!

[@oOISekaIOo]

She's very well spoken

[@julianahebenstreit9722]

Woulda been nice to see someone represent the skinny shaming question, otherwise leave it out. It isn't about the people who choose (models) to be skinny, but those who naturally can't gain weight or have health conditions. I have had trouble my whole life, no matter how much I eat, and being underweight even a little bit can cause a lot of health problems. I've had nurses at the ER ask me how I got my skinny body, while I am sick and desperately trying to put on in order to have the energy to heal. I'm wanted to say to those people.... Um, try having an autoimmune disease and daily nausea and adenomyosis? Making sure I stay at a weight that doesn't give me foggy brain...is a daily struggle. Both sides have disadvantages. You can't find clothes, I can't find resources to gain weight healthily.

[@typiskt___5409]

Mmmmm I was really pissed about the clothes part because really skinny people can’t find clothes in store often. I go dizzy when I eat bad. I won’t be able to see if I move too fast just because I’m really tall and skinny.

[@soybean3423]

@@typiskt___5409 But the advantage is that a lot of kid/teen clothing looks more and more mature so you could still find stuff that looks 'normal' :)

[@typiskt___5409]

@@soybean3423 Im 181 cm. Don’t think so.

[@eridiance9818]

@@typiskt___5409 im 192cm 135lbs, it’s impossible to find pants in physical stores

[@panicbox4609]

Being your healthiest and happiest self is what people should strive for. Comparing yourself not to others, but to who you were before. Always try to be a better version of who you were yesterday

[@tellercamille8080]

6:27 no this is how you skinny shame: “you have a prepubescent/noodle body” “you have no muscles because youre lazy”

[@Bee4Reel]

Right like “you need to eat more” “where’s your booty?” (For blk girls)

[@commar6088]

“ you are not girly enough “, “ why don’t you eat “, “ how come you are so thin “

[@marieaude3685]

@@jumpdumppyy But a lot of people assume (actual) skinny people are lethargic, unfunny, vulnerable and sad people, that they are letting themselves die or are so physically fragile they will break if they get a hug. They will always look like a child and will most likely be treated like it : "you need to have more fun, and not starve yourself", "you should eat a cake", "you are going to die", "you probably can't carry heavy stuff", "you look like a dead body", " you must be full of deficiency"... that is what skinny shaming is ! Also, skinny people have everyday problems too : they can't find clothes that fits or wear watches or adult jewels, they can't ride attractions, nor sit on an un-cushioned chair comfortably for exemple.

[@toastttttttt]

there is no right or wrong way to shame someone.

[@Van-ff6tq]

I see Nicks point, his mentality is pivotal. However his aura is borderline explosive throughout the discussion..

[@prodigygod1]

Wtf does that mean?

[@sarah.ariias]

@@prodigygod1 vani means that nick is very aggressive with his arguments and doesn’t leave room for discussion. he’s stubborn and it’s really uninviting.

[@uigofse]

@@sarah.ariias that doesn’t matter, he has the most valid arguments imo

[@Van-ff6tq]

@@sarah.ariias Thanks Sari🙂

[@sirrparker47]

@@sarah.ariias And his stubbornness is exactly what's gonna make him complete his goal

[@vc3643]

Being in medical field, I do look at it from a perspective on improving medical outcomes. Weight loss and strength training are proven to reduce heart disease, diabetes, and strokes. Evidence based medicine measure these as clinical outcomes in clinical trials. I would always encourage people to get fit for the sake of their physical health, but not shame them as that is a detriment to mental health. I would say though if for obese or morbidly obese people, they are likely to have a shorter lifespan and potentially more medical conditions if they do not change their lifestyle. If they can accept that fact and be happy with their life more power to them; but medically, we are trying to prolong your life and improve quality of life.

[@synchronium24]

"I would always encourage people to get fit for the sake of their physical health, but not shame them as that is a detriment to mental health." " If they can accept that fact and be happy with their life more power to them" It doesn't matter how many reasonable caveats you give. For the woke crowd, pseudoscience is a feature, not a bug.

[@marcusgraham812]

@@synchronium24 No but if they accept that fact they are essentially giving up on themselves, why accept it when it can be changed unlike genetic conditions. By accepting it you are giving in to ease and comfort which is not a respectable choice in my opinion. Going through pain and difficulty to change that is what loving yourself is, letting yourself be overpowered by your desires at the detriment of health is an act against yourself.

[@wwxx23]

Don’t judge me but i want to see people fight a little on these kind of videos 💀 Edit: to clarify i meant “fight” as in “ disagree with each other and express it” lol

[@srishtihirani7686]

Lmao same

[@anthonymc8361]

watch the palestine vs israel video. they didn't fight but it was intense.... also Satan and Believers

[@srishtihirani7686]

@@anthonymc8361 even the flat earthers vs astrophysicists one was pretty intense

[@wwxx23]

@@srishtihirani7686 that one’s the best 😂😂

[@yl6770]

lmao yes and its always more fun when theres a literally insane person spewing nonsense as well

[@akiper8197]

This has honestly been one of the most pleasant episodes. Everyone was just so respectful and understanding for each other

[@aloe704]

*Nick was the most interesting guy in this video.* I'm glad they portrayed a *plus* sized *fit* influencer.

[@royshavrick]

I think Nick's message is that you need to tell yourself that there is always something you can improve. There is always something you can do to improve, you just gotta believe in yourself.

[@g__e__o]

I feel like Nick is looking for the approval of the whole world but himself.

[@poppaquesobeats7638]

Yes

[@ravioli8959]

You put it perfectly

[@TheExtremeCube]

Not really, he is giving answers which 90% of the people here are not approving, if hes looking for approval he really sucks at it, though to me he seemed authentic

[@Ray03595]

how? That is the worst attempt at trying to look for people's approval i have ever seen if so 🤣

[@zaimzainal6635]

I dont think so

[@younqzoe]

I love that quote “loving myself influenced me to eat KFC, but hating myself influenced me to change” I humbly welcome nick out of the matrix

[@Galeriarch]

I don't remember ever seeing him in the movie, I don't think he was even behind the scenes. I could be wrong, though.

[@younqzoe]

@@Galeriarch def behind the scenes

[@AnnyAmaral]

I started my fitness journey this year and it was quite the opposite 😅 when I hate myself I cant leave the bed and end up ordering take out, what keeps me going is loving my self, it gives me energy, and I haven't skip a day in the gym now. Don't hate spread love

[@younqzoe]

@@AnnyAmaral sounds exactly the same

[@liltoaster7308]

I actually really respect Nick's approach to what he's doing. People don't seem to realize that not everyone copes with their hardships the same way. He sees his weight as an obstacle that must be removed and it seems that the pressure he applies to himself is what motivates him to keep pushing onward. Not everyone can handle that and different people have different methods of getting to where they think they ought to be. So long as Nick keeps himself in check, keeps a clear vision of what he aspires to be and knows when to stop, then I'm all for Nick turning his insecurities into the fuel necessary to bring about the changes he would like to see.

[@realrighteoustv]

Jessica was my favorite...her answers were sincere, thorough and truthful. Salute sista im rooting for you!

[@EyemenProductions]

Nick is smart, he doesnt make excuses I don't think he's ill I think he's the only one that's a real person

[@peytonrose6445]

Nick has some serious self-esteem problems that he should work through because just getting fit isn't his problem there are a lot of people who get really fit and are still unhappy with who they are and I think eventually he'll figure that out because what he's doing to his body is totally not okay and even though there will be short-term benefits what he's doing now will probably stem into an eating disorder

[@creativeartivity]

Genuinely curious, what do you believe his problems are? While I agree some people have a hard time identifying their problems, I also find it hard to believe that a 20 minute video is sufficient information to assume that he may have more going on behind the scenes. He could, maybe he probably does, but I still see it as a baseless assumption.

[@liamneeson8918]

Dude your talking as if you’ve read his mind, just because some people still aren’t happy after they’ve lost weight doesn’t mean he’ll be one of those people. I know people who are like Nick, they are sad or depressed about being overweight but once they became fit they would radiate happiness.

[@GirlDo3]

And the way he mentionned middle school and high school bullying makes me think he used to get bullied. Changing the way you look won't change the trauma of getting bullied. I know fit guys that used to get bullied and they are still mentally fucked because of it.

[@baygon2993]

People like you are the exact reason why people failed to lose weight Instead of giving encouragement You makes them doubt their ability to lose weight

[@lexm17]

Obesity shouldn’t be celebrated just like anorexia. Nothing pretty about eating disorders, coming from a recovering BED sufferer

[@HawkUnleashed]

Nail on the head. I feel like so many disorders are glorified in the age of social media now and now same is happening with obesity

[@poop101752]

Your suggested “solution” is in fact, the core of the issue.

[@OldAlexCat514]

People really need to understand that shaming people who rely on food for comfort just make them seek comfort in food.

[@sheadoherty7434]

@@poop101752 what solution?

[@tonystarrfitness]

As a fit person: I love that we're coming to a place of acknowledgement with eating disorders and body dismorphia. Some of the habits people partake in to be"healthy" destroys them mentally. I'm happy to see mental health make it's presence known and less taboo overtime.

[@irrelevantideology9640]

Can we just take a minute to give the jubilee team a round of applause for the questions they come up with? 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@aseelali7909]

What if Nick loses all the weight and reaches his goal physique but the self-loathing never goes away? He needs to heal inside and find love for himself because there’s no guarantee that weight loss or any other physical change will lead to happiness. I pray he finds healing mentally and physically.

[@loganslocum4799]

Yea this comment is cringe

[@joemfahey]

I mean he is doing the physical part of healing....so its a start

[@becca-tg5pn]

a lot of his self hate comes from the fact that he isn't happy with his body

[@HastelloyC276]

L comment

[@ElGuapo96]

🤓🐈

[@oliviajensen5468]

As for the skinny shaming I was being bullied all the time growing up. I was small, weak, held no presence in the room. Or at least that was how I was perceived due to my weight. No clothes fit right. I looked like I was wearing huge baggy clothes going down a size meant shirts pants etc. would be tight in weird places. Skinny shaming does exist as well.

[@trinityw7435]

gain weight lol

[@ya.thegoat8795]

Same

[@writerchick94]

None of them said skinny shaming doesn't exist.

[@Leah-hl9ee]

The question is which was worst…not which was a real thing. They all know it exist

[@art_creepykitten]

@Issac Newton I was skinny myself, now I am trying to get myself into shape for bodybuilding. Now I ask you, isn't that "skinny shaming" aswell if you want other fellow skinny people to be "bigger"? This movement is contradicting itself so much I can't even.

[@BeccainHawaii]

I certainly cannot eat whatever I want. Something else I learned in my own story is that health issues can cause weight gain or weight loss and neither are due to the quantity of food being eaten or quality. So don't judge a person by their size, saying they must be eating a lot or they must be anorexic, their weight size could be because of something else.

[@jfaustin1742]

I’m so appreciative that you included the anorexic side too Bc I’ve dealt with eating so much but only gaining a tummy I could hide with very slim limbs. People will tell you that you look sick and it’s so rude

[@kappapride7138]

and starving children are overweight cuz they gain weight cuz they have health issues :))))

[@BeccainHawaii]

@@jfaustin1742 I included that because several years ago I began losing weight unintentionally. When it started I was 20 lbs overweight, so at first I was okay with it, but that 20lbs was gone and I kept losing weight until I looked anorexic, but I wasn't. I had some health issues that caused me to become extremely anemic and I had also at some point took out dairy and sugar. I think both contributed to the weight loss. Once the anemia was fixed and I started cooking with coconut oil, I gained my weight back to a healthy size. My daughter too has a very high metabolism and so she remains very skinny even though she eats a normal amount of food.

[@Yng619]

I respectfully disagree u might not realize it but it's 100% impossible to gain weight without eating more. Yes the mental disorders might make u eat more but u cannot gain weight without eating just cause of an eating disorder.

[@deezius5729]

@@Yng619 It could be genetic

[@aliceleoneciaone1]

I really enjoyed this. Everyone was respectful and considerate!

[@jeffholmes2889]

Skinny shaming hurts men more I believe. I was 115 lbs in high school which is looked at as being in a child's body. I'm 5ft 9 and now weigh 182 lbs. Bench press 275 and run up to 14 miles at once. This is through discipline and hard work. Everybody's body is different and we all have to find what works for ourselves. But! Laziness is not an option!

[@haileyquinnzel]

You obviously weren’t Shamed enough lol

[@hozic9929]

As a skinny guy being skinny shamed a lot i agree its hard

[@Zerdical]

Me too, being 5ft 11 and 120lbs in high school got me to being 180lbs now built from the gym by skinny shaming.

[@alyatalitha3717]

I thought the middle ground was "body neutrality" is it not?

[@realSimoneCherie]

Idk but I prefer body confidence or at least body acceptance. Most ppl aren’t neutral about their toothpaste brand, why be neutral about your body?

[@coolio4843]

@@realSimoneCherie body neutrality is about caring about the healthy of your body not the appearance. I care about how my toothpaste works not how it looks.

[@alyatalitha3717]

@@coolio4843 exactly. Thank you.

[@StephanieLexis]

@Johannes Body neutrality is recognizing the function of your body, rather than the aesthetic of it.

[@poocrayon4588]

Actually most people aren't obsessed and wondering whether they love their own bodies or not. Maybe teenage girls are but most people aren't.

[@tashaleahchongo715]

My journey went from an intense weight loss one to a journey of falling in love with not just my body, but who I am. It took me a long time and I’m not yet there. But we keep moving towards a healthier whole life.

[@madisonschaefer2102]

Th ub

[@poocrayon4588]

You fell in love with yourself? k

[@terrelhamiel2188]

This wasn’t diverse enough. It seems like the fitness side were more concerned about not offending the other side so they didn’t challenge at all

[@soulresonance4073]

I mean there was nothing really to challenge, there’s nothing wrong with the way they live. Plus the blonde woman agreed with most of the same stuff as them.

[@TropicThunder6996]

@@soulresonance4073 but there is. They literally will have tons of health problems by being obese. What do you mean there is nothing wrong????

[@saharabond5680]

i feel for nick. He’s obviously extremely depressed and i hope he can learn to love himself as a motivator to lose weight. not the other way around.

[@dannys4831]

hes not, hes in the right mind

[@alyreadsbooks7560]

I think trying to change your body is a one way to develop an eating disorder or at least unhealthy thoughts. Imo working out for the sake of working out is better

[@15xChampions]

Just because he's on a weight loss journey doesn't mean he's depressed. Everyone seems to be a psychiatrist in the comments. Stop looking up to people promoting unhealthy ways of living. Nicks doing great.

[@Ronin.97]

he was depressed he probably feels the best he ever has in his life right now. stop projecting onto him. ive been this dude and i met alot of dudes at the gym in the same position they are so happy they are finally improving themselves for the better and are hopeful for their future

[@Grizzs]

That loving yourself mindset dosen't work for everyone, sometimes you have to push yourself into almost a self fight in order to improve.

[@Rosie-hp5jr]

Regarding the "oh you're so skinny, I wish I could be that skinny". One I struggle in shops to find stuff small enough, two I am not the standard, the common body, I am not the model, I do not have the body you would see in advertising, so no its not the typical model girl size and look being insecure in her appearance it is me and many others who don't even closely meet that look either, three there's a lot of damaging language used towards skinny people. "Nobody wants to be with a twig or a plank of wood" "you look like a little boy" "you should really get boobs or a bum or something" "men like something to grab" "you look too skinny in that" I am only making the point that "skinny shaming" is not being admirable towards people with slim physiques, it's actually using hurtful, insulting and damaging language.

[@minbonbon7800]

Yes but did you doctor ever try to put you onto dangerous diets to make you gain weight? Were you ever refused at a job for being depicted as lazy or dismissed every health problem due to your weight? Do people think you smell when they see you cause if your body type? Yeah

[@BooksToAshes]

@@minbonbon7800 Just because one person struggles, doesn't mean another can't. Stop comparing. Shaming anyone's body is horrible. I used to be bullied for being obese too but that doesn't take away the things said about skinny people. Stop making it a contest

[@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611]

@@BooksToAshes Yes, but skinny shaming is bullying like you just said, fatphobia is systemic oppression

[@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611]

@@BooksToAshes you can compare skinny shaming and fatphobia with the struggles withe people suffer and black people do or with sexism and the struggles men suffer

[@yogibear3761]

as a dude I'm often told to build more muscle and skinny shamed a lot

[@NoMorehandles214]

Accountability is all you need in life...thats the moment chage begins...accountability is not hating yourself...

[@pattycannon1804]

Authentic body positivity is consistently eating healthy and working out with the intention to live longer and give your joints, bones and muscles some relief.

[@realSimoneCherie]

Living longer is the life goal that fit influencers assume everyone else has.

[@RoseJackson1607]

ok guru

[@agoodwasteoftime]

A lot of the body positivity movement is also rooted in disability activism. Those people can't always work out or eat as healthy. If they work out it'll probably make their joints bones and muscles worse and leave them in a lot of pain. Healthy food may not be as accessible to them because of allergies or intolerances, or sensory issues. They may not be able to afford it because of the poverty that medical bills may put them in. Body positivity is about loving your body for what it is in the now. My body will not change overnight, no matter what i do, so why should I hate it? Why should i be told its wrong? It has nothing to do with health. My health is not your business. You worry about your health and i'll worry about mine. All you need to do is just accept my body and move on, cause preaching this stuff only makes it worse for a lot of us.

[@nikotakai8796]

@@agoodwasteoftime why should I accept someone else's body but not his (un)healthy way of living?

[@richardsantanna5398]

@@realSimoneCherie It's not just about living longer. It's about enjoying your life more because you look better and have more energy.

[@tashwnna]

For skinny shaming I think that alot of what we go through was minimized in this video as comments. We DO have to shop online don't always have our sizes, have to shop in kid sections, I've been called anorexic, unhealthy. Random people PICK ME UP. It's not all sunshine and underhanded comments here

[@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611]

Yes, skinny shaming is bullying and is always wrong, however fatphobia is systemic oppression

[@yogibear3761]

@@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611 no its not

[@Jose_Martinez11]

@@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611 “systemic oppression” im done 💀😂

[@Gh3tt0Gam3r]

@@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611 Ik you didn’t just call it Systemic oppression…

[@riybread4772]

@@alejandraisabelespadahuanc9611 did you just call being privileged enough to be a obese glutton “systemic oppression” …?

[@aspect795]

bro Nick is based, he seems like a cool dude, best of luck to him

[@Ronin.97]

yeah fuck all these idiots who don't understand his mentality and think he needs to see a therapist. he was the realest dude on the panel.

[@manuelmoralez2257]

@@Ronin.97 for real I lost 20 pounds rocking the strat he’s rocking hate is the best fuel with love being a great enhancer

[@salmaabdullahgb]

@@Ronin.97 what would be the problem if he carried on his journey and also got therapy? Everyone can benefit from therapy

[@Mar-5016]

@@Ronin.97 I can see both views. I agreed with Nick completely at first but then I read these other comments and I also agree with some of their points. Like it’s not necessarily healthy to “hate” your body, I understand it’s a pathway to change but that would be mentally draining to deal with everyday. And take a look at the guy, he’s pale and looks pretty damn tired. Idk I hope he can still continue his journey but also realize that he’s simply bettering himself, not “killing his old self.” Ive always viewed fitness as leveling up our characters like in a game

[@emyyyxx]

@@manuelmoralez2257 and now are you truly genuinely, happy with yourself?

[@vivvy0v]

I dont agree with how they talked about how skinny shaming is. When I get skinny shamed it wasn’t like “oh you’re so skinny wow”. No it was more “you look so skinny you should eat more, you look sick it’s disgusting”. Being skinny-thick is the standard, not skinny-flat.

[@knqxr]

There are a LOT of larger bodies health influencers now. And it is much more motivating and encouraging to get people of all body types to explore joyful movement.

[@noname-dr2em]

What is this “movement”

[@KIJO2696]

@@noname-dr2em moving their bodies in ways they enjoy instead of doing workouts that they hate that will ultimately lead to them quitting because they don't enjoy it. Like doing Zumba or yoga regularly because you enjoy it instead of forcing yourself to do something like P90X or Insanity and quitting because you don't enjoy it. I personally love both Zumba and Insanity it just depends on where I am mentally that day.

[@noname-dr2em]

@@KIJO2696 yeah hate to break it to you but when you workout it’s supposed to feel like your burning it means you’re making progress didn’t know if you knew that. sounds like yoga is just to made you feel like you’re accomplishing something, when in all reality it’s literal coping

[@poocrayon4588]

@@noname-dr2em When their hand moves from the Doritos bag to their mouth

[@lavenderose97]

@@noname-dr2em I assume you don’t know much about yoga. There are different types of yoga, from calm/meditation to very energetic and physically exhausting sessions. I practice yoga everyday and it helped me build muscles so quickly (few months of everyday practice). It also made me flexible and I can breathe better (breath practice). 🙂

[@aliou07z]

Nick, what a gigachad

[@sinqobilesibiya7391]

Allen's fine and that's all imma say 😍😂

[@AllenYe]

thanks :)

[@PaulVece]

I hope they're all doing well, but especially Nick. He's about a textbook case of body dysmorphia as it gets. My gf (and just perspective bc it can happen, she's a naturally tiny in shape person) has dealt with the same thing since her teenage years. At first, it was so frustrating for her to explain it to me, bc, as I've since learned, unless you experience yourself, it's almost impossible for it to make sense. She came up with the best analogy that finally made me get it 'it's objectively knowing who you are and how you look, but at the same time looking at yourself in a fun house mirror". I just hope everyone is doing ok.

[@chadywood]

Tyler is operating on KING levels and living his best.

[@keziah6428]

Nick is so likeable and his story is relatable

[@kellyhubbard3745]

I hate the attitude that thin shaming is not as bad or it’s back-handed compliments. My little brother is a thin guy, had to be on growth hormones as a kid kind of small. He has major body dysmorphia and we watched him go from this happy kid to a depressed teenager/adult who has thought about suicide due to this. We know comments were made about his size all the time. It’s impacted his life majorly. Thin shaming is real and dangerous. Body shaming in general is horrible and causes real issues no matter the size. I don’t think you can say one is worse than the other.

[@camilla9498]

Exactly. And I've seen kids bullied for looking weak, scrawny or geeky. People are so skewed.

[@MMoran7122]

That girl is lying about the 500 Cal diet. No doctor would recommend that.

[@soblunary]

what was nick protesting? loving himself?

[@eden9216]

right?? loving yourself should be your motivator, because you want to take care of yourself. people who love themselves take care of themselves

[@talltreeyeti]

😩

[@tkaymdala]

@@eden9216 not really but ok

[@nenesaidwhatshesaid3151]

No, he was protesting the idea of stagnation and being complacent.

[@ChemistTea]

Nick is talking about how depression and anger can be a great motivator to change, while simply loving himself can be a mode of complacency. I have experienced it myself many times. It is in the times that I think of how great I am that I am most complacent and indolent, but in the times of great depression that I can get the drive to motivate myself to change the most. Haven't we all experienced this? Nick is talking about the drive needed to build a great resolve that is needed for long-term consistent changes.

[@saintsation12]

I really feel for nick going through a fitness journey is never about hating yourself enough to change it’s about loving yourself enough to treat your body better hating how you look and using that as fuel to change will only leave you falling back into old patterns and hating yourself more for doing so the real change comes when you learn to love yourself and see your worth no matter what phase of the journey you’re in

[@sdfghjasdfghjk8175]

I really appreciate Tyler talking about the language within the language, how society has wired us to think in shaming terms, predisposed us to bias and judgment. It goes for transfolk as well, especially those on the nonbinary/agender end of the spectrum. We are so drilled to put a gender on everything. Even activists working to combat this have so much extra work because of how much internal reformatting they need to do to eliminate societal projections.

[@yoshisgarage4828]

Get outta here with the trans stuff. This video dictates weight and health. So please keep things relatable too the subject.

[@taco._.dave.4040]

just dont be a queer

[@Imrikkib]

The argument that you can be severely overweight and not have health issues is very disingenuous. Clearly yes. Medical professionals have the answers. But there’s no way you can be 200lbs overweight and be “completely healthy”. Some of y’all need a wake up call frfr

[@ClandestineMerkaba]

Preach my dear.

[@star_etraWrites]

You can also be 145 lbs, at your recommended BMI and still not be healthy.

[@ClandestineMerkaba]

@@star_etraWrites Bit of a disingenuous strawman of a response really though when mortality data clearly shows an increased rate of "early death" among those with obesity, and it's commonly related cofactors like diabetes, heart disease, and hypertension. You're arguing the exception, not the rule. The stats are pretty clear.