'Be A Man': Modernists and Traditionalists Debate Masculinity

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@misterpopo5175 Жыл бұрын

Give us the uncensored uncutted discussion with the feminists. Since vice equals libtard I can fully understand why it is not in your interest to not show how pearl destroyed them libtardes feminists

@NiyahStyles Жыл бұрын

Thank you VICE 🔥!

@tyronewilliams2007 Жыл бұрын

How are young boys and men with testosterone running through their veins, and being boys and men considered toxic. Why are the masculine women not considered toxic femininity? Being masculine has everything to do with testosterone, not how you feel, men grow some balls because women have been running isht for a while and society is falling apart because of it it goes against everything in the animal kingdom. Society has been civilized to the point of extreme comfort thanks to a man's masculinity/testosterone/strength and now women in particular want men to turn it off in the same fashion as they do their feelings and feminity when they are in the face of a man crying in front of them, when in fact they/women seem to be more interested/attracted to the masculine man. GTFOH If it were not for us we would all still be cave dwellers. Soft, sensitive, emotional men. That's funny! Show me a soft sensitive emotional lion and I'll show you a loin getting ran from his territory.

@animestuff3732 Жыл бұрын

Bias Lieing Low Life Sh*t Stains 😡

@user-ht2fi3ys1r Жыл бұрын

vice this is why ur my favorite channel 🤲🏼

@amyegreene3852 Жыл бұрын

The lineup of men was pretty diverse except for the absence of anyone 65 or older. We have the potential to grow until we take our last breath. The elders should be present during these conversations as well.

@rparks623 Жыл бұрын

Excellent point. They (we) could have cleared up some confusion. I'm 70.

@Foreheadsnatcher Жыл бұрын

@@rparks623 dam. What’s it like being 70 if you don’t mind me asking

@herbertdonnellgrayiii4305 Жыл бұрын

They don't have any testosterone left

@2mlncore618 Жыл бұрын

right???? justice for hot daddys #dilfs

@matlee9832 Жыл бұрын

@@rparks623 what do you have to add to this conversation that hasn’t been said? Me as a youngin (19) like to assume that all older men are unconvinceable when it comes to changing their traditional views of masculinity.

@americanhumaninterferencet7550 Жыл бұрын

Pink shirt guy really gave me the impression of a man who has learned and changed a lot. He must cherish his daughters and really value them as individuals. He recognized his flaws and short comings, and how he could have treated his wife better as a young man. Age and wisdom often go together

@SilentXtract Жыл бұрын

I think he saw the best and worst in humanity he’s been to war he cherishes life probably more everyday bc some maybe a lot of his fellow marines will never have the ability to grow from the aggressive combat infantryman to a man away from war and being able to wake up to watch the sunrise instead of fighting to survive the next sunset

@oipolloi4242 Жыл бұрын

That's a soldier bro, rise to the occasion.

@americanhumaninterferencet7550 Жыл бұрын

@Kevin O'Toole I respect the hell out of any man who can see combat and still learn to live in peacetime. It's a hard thing, making that transition is not a given. I think that's why tragically mental illness is extremely common amongst marines.

@liqwidmediaworkztv Жыл бұрын

He also seems like the most traumatized. I feel like he’s holding back though.

@congondubz6257 Жыл бұрын

He should sort out the "wife" issue, and then he will be fine.

@alyssareinke1357 11 ай бұрын

Seeing people have a conversation even when it gets uncomfortable is so healing. These talks NEED TO HAPPEN.

@michaelgill387 9 ай бұрын

these people are hand-selected. this conversation would be different if you took 12 random men. more soft left-wing comedy.

@torihuerta7039 9 ай бұрын

The non-binary individual, Griffin, was trying to prove that the notion of masculinity and gender roles are social constructs that ultimately uphold patriarchal systems and oppressive power dynamics. They challenged the idea that certain traits or behaviors should be exclusively attributed to men or women, arguing that these gender norms are arbitrary and limiting. One of the main disadvantages for the other men in understanding Griffin's perspective was their deeply ingrained beliefs and experiences surrounding traditional masculinity. Many of them grew up in environments where specific gender roles were enforced, and deviating from those norms was discouraged or even punished. As a result, they struggled to separate their personal identities and values from the societal expectations placed upon them as men. Additionally, some of the men seemed to conflate masculinity with biological differences between males and females. They viewed traits like physical strength, aggression, and logical thinking as inherently masculine, rather than recognizing that these characteristics can manifest across all genders and are often shaped by cultural factors rather than biology alone. The promotion of the gender binary and stereotypes about men stemmed from a desire for stability and predictability. By adhering to prescribed gender roles, these men believed they could more easily navigate social interactions and relationships. The idea of a "real man" provided a clear set of expectations and guidelines, even if those expectations were limiting or harmful. Furthermore, some of the men derived a sense of privilege and power from traditional masculine roles. The notion of being the provider, protector, and leader within a household or society appealed to their desire for control and status. Challenging these gender norms threatened to undermine their perceived superiority and the benefits they reaped from the patriarchal system. Griffin faced pressure from these men because their perspective fundamentally challenged the ideologies and beliefs that many of the men had built their identities around. By deconstructing gender roles and promoting a more fluid understanding of gender expression, Griffin posed a threat to the men's sense of self and the social order they had become accustomed to. The men's resistance to Griffin's perspective was evident in their defensive reactions and dismissive attitudes. Some accused Griffin of promoting an "agenda" or tried to discredit their experiences as a non-binary individual. Others clung to religious or biological justifications for traditional masculinity, unwilling to consider alternative viewpoints. Overall, the non-binary individual faced an uphill battle in trying to introduce new perspectives on gender and masculinity to a group of men who had been conditioned to uphold the very systems and beliefs that Griffin sought to dismantle. The pressure they faced stemmed from a deep-rooted fear of change and a reluctance to relinquish the perceived privileges and power associated with traditional masculine roles.

@anukaee8520 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think a single conversation shouldn’t necessarily heal you, Gods word is true and read that

@JayNit2 8 ай бұрын

@@anukaee8520😒😒 there is more to life

@LewisC-t1f 8 ай бұрын

Try that with women, see how that works out! They’ll cry and start screaming right away. 😂

@because-strudels 3 ай бұрын

Some of these comments say something spot on: "masculinity" is being confused with just being a decent person. I lost count of the number of times I've thought to myself "that's not just a man thing" when I've heard someone tell me "I'm a man I have to be responsible, provide," etc

@SojuCait 3 ай бұрын

I'm not a man and I hold doors for my grandma, walk her to her car, open the door. It's literally has nothing to do with being a man.

@Mike_E_DeShaman 2 ай бұрын

😂yall full of ish

@FoxInTheBasement 2 ай бұрын

Right! If we expect our wives and our daughters to be brave, honest and reliable, then why do we then say that those are masculine things?

@infernityable1369 2 ай бұрын

Keep that same energy when conversations about "toxic masculinity" come up. Unless, of course, you think it's acceptable to assign negative characteristics and behaviors exclusively to one gender while insisting that positive characteristics and behaviors always have to be talked about as universal to both genders as if that isn't bigoted and hateful.

@benardrepay 2 ай бұрын

men used to be a provider and it’s getting destroyed with this soft world now

@dutch160 Жыл бұрын

The guy bottom left blue shirt is the man who has changed his life the most. You can see and hear it when to talks I wish him all the good things in life.

@James-ip8xs Жыл бұрын

You can definitely see he has thought about himself deeply

@davidortiz2026 Жыл бұрын

how can you tell, like what did he say?

@eli-gabriel Жыл бұрын

The One with the cowboy hat is my favorite

@davidortiz2026 Жыл бұрын

@Caesar Muncada Watch the video response is so lame and overused. Can you try for once in your life to be original. I asked a simple question.

@undercover_idiot Жыл бұрын

@@davidortiz2026 Tahoe, has in my opinion, such a healthy view of masculinity, simply because he is secure in what he believes but is also willing to listen and empathize. It's his ability to use perspective that makes him seem like a great person.

@ozwzrd15 Жыл бұрын

Pink shirt man - clearly has spent time thinking, evolving on how to be a better man, in a non judgemental way. Most impressed with pink shirt guy

@Lurch685 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like he got his balls chopped off, frankly.

@MattieMacaya Жыл бұрын

Yo same. Like I came from what I saw on tiktok but a lot of these men are pretty even keeled

@AcidicJO Жыл бұрын

Him, the black dude from the hood, the gay black dude, cowboy hat to a degree. They all have some past experiences, we could say trama that they are actively working through and trying their best to be good people. Not making excuses for themselves, just really trying to be a good person. I love to see that. It’s like an underlying evidence that we can overcome.

@kaym7704 Жыл бұрын

@@AcidicJO cowboy guy? The zealot spend all his time talking about God.

@Heyoka-gq4wl Жыл бұрын

No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell - Carl Jung

@purugigi Жыл бұрын

Please let this guy host every debate from now on. Definitely the most professional guy at Vice.

@doby5 Жыл бұрын

Krishna is awesome !!! Very perceptive member of Vice and knows how to talk to people well. Always happy to see that fella on the Vice New. :)

@MrCherryzz Жыл бұрын

@@thescribe3184 You got a paint. In the last video with the feminist panel the one person that seemed calm was the one that was born a guy.

@ttnecniv1321 Жыл бұрын

He’s always great !

@banewillrise6818 Жыл бұрын

Of course Vice could not find 1 masculine man to show up to this clown show. Masculine men don't sit around like a bunch of women discussing masculinity.

@IonizedComa Жыл бұрын

@@MrCherryzz men try avoid that type confrontation of because when men fight it's not pretty. When women fight they most likely to just immediately start pulling hair

@sneasnake6368 7 ай бұрын

As a woman, it’s interesting how many of the things they describe as “masculine” are things that I also want in my life. I want to provide for my loved ones, I want to make my family feel secure and protected, and I am willing to be self-sacrificing to accomplish these wants etc. In the end we’re all beautiful and unique in our own way, but deep down I believe that we’re all more similar than we think (and more similar than some want to accept)

@ChrisP-zj5jq 3 ай бұрын

sneas: You sound like a Mama Bear or Lioness. What happens when an outsider (man or beast) tries to mess with one of THEIR cubs??? Human females are animals too! LOL!!!!

@johnnyvo9313 2 ай бұрын

I think you had to become the man in your family for some reason, probably because the man you were with was absent or lacking in masculinity.

@A-RedHerring Ай бұрын

Because feminism has told you to get up, go work, you don't need no man etc. etc

@Owens777 Ай бұрын

Cause many of those qualities are just being a healthy individual that cares for themselves and others 🤷🏾‍♂️ we should all know how to step in and be successful with these aspects of life. Many people just cherry pick traits that serve their perspective.

@lazylurker2842 Ай бұрын

Yeah because both men and women have both masculine and feminine traits

@darasimiAdj68 Жыл бұрын

The black man from New York on a blue shirt is the one I loved listening to the most. He seems like someone who has experienced a lot of growth. I also loved the way he listened to everyone.

@Moi_81 Жыл бұрын

Agreed. He was my favorite.

@D.Zerius 7 ай бұрын

HE IS KUKING TO FEMINISTS. BLACK BETA STATUS: KUKKKKKKKKKKKKKED OUT!

@CryingOrc1 6 ай бұрын

His name is Tahoe. Tahoe Brah, Stay Up Ma Bruh.

@tuonabatchelor7915 5 ай бұрын

Yes, him and the girl dad in the pink shirt were my faves

@Nyxedmisfit 3 ай бұрын

He paid full attention to the others, looked at them when they talked

@kodzodoamekpor2387 Жыл бұрын

It would have been great to have older men (over 60) and teenage boys present. I want a part 2

@oryxthetakenking8275 Жыл бұрын

I don't think they could've talked about sex as freely if a teenage boy was there. Dude with green eyes on the right was definitely the youngest and probably around his 20s, and fit the role of young men imo

@sad_vegan507 Жыл бұрын

I agree but not with the teen.

@blackflagdre6134 Жыл бұрын

Men over 60s would be looking at the panel funny, because the conversation itself has elementa of emasculating men, and men over they're 60s wouldn't tolerate a good portion of this conversation

@yaikhonba Жыл бұрын

Teenage boys are not men

@maceymc.7612 Жыл бұрын

@@blackflagdre6134 you still need an older man's opinion, because of his experience.

@cualter Жыл бұрын

As a woman, I wish the feminist debate would have proceeded as calmly and respectfully as this men's discussion did. This was a pleasure to watch and I took away some new perspectives.

@NK_299 Жыл бұрын

Men don't argue usually they discuss and then come to conclusions!! I am thinking if there was beer or something they all would be best buddies 😅

@jakkobg1981 Жыл бұрын

Lol you watched the same thing, man the women were all over the place it shows who can actually have a sit down and talk. No disrespect to you as a woman.

@cualter Жыл бұрын

@@kassiebattle8279 So what? Both are heavy topics and the format is a discussion. If anything, the women's debate was more biased towards the feminist side by sheer numbers, yet most comments I see from women claim that the panel was unfairly picked to serve some malicious agenda conspired to paint feminism in a bad light. Your reasoning sounds like a cop out. We need to hold ourselves to higher standards of debate, otherwise we'll continue to feed in to harmful gender stereotypes.

@DeanGrand Жыл бұрын

men aren't fighting for what they believe to be equal rights (outside of stuff like BLM, but that's not based on gender) the way women are, and the fact that the viewpoint of feminism is so divided, of course their debate would turn into a huge fight, because when you are so passionate about something, fights are going to break out during debates.

@kassiebattle8279 Жыл бұрын

@Cu I agree the women’s debate was not much of a debate, but you can’t watch this video and say that the women should have acted the same way when the topics are very different. Masculinity isn’t political - men are not fighting for rights to their body or constantly in fear of being raped. Sure, the idea masculinity effects every man, but it is no secret that VICE literally couldn’t find an equal topic for men because there isn’t one - there aren’t any political advances that are directly attacking them.

@welcome2myhappyworld 4 ай бұрын

21:06 I really do enjoy most of Griffin's points, however, when someone just admitted they were sexually assaulted and feel like they arent taken seriously when they bring it up, that is NOT the time to downplay their experience because it statistically happens to women more often. As a woman who has been sexually assaulted, the "Me Too" movement was great at helping me feel heard and not afraid to express my trauma. Being able to share my story has helped me cope immensely. Men who have been abused have just as much a right to share their stories and be heard and taken just as seriously. Sexual assault should not pit men against women, it should be about giving victims a voice against their abusers.

@marialves9017 3 ай бұрын

He just said that is not meetoo movement who made his frineds not believe in him

@welcome2myhappyworld 3 ай бұрын

@marialves9017 Yes, it's not the #Metoo movement's fault. Everything Griffin said was true, I'm not arguing against the point, I'm trying to say that situation could be handled with more tact. When Cowboy Hat admits that he was sexually assaulted and feels like he's not allowed to talk about it, the best way to respond would be, "it certainly is difficult to talk about experiences with assault, while women are primarily victims, men also suffer. And because of toxic masculinity, some men are made fun of or dismissed when trying to bring it up. This is why the #MeToo movement is so important" or something to that effect. Instead, the way Griffin spoke felt dismissive and I guarantee you that Cowboy hat will never bring up his sexual assault again because he was dismissed and he will feel like women are "privileged " for being able to talk about their trauma while he has to hold his in because no one cares. Cowboy hat said he felt like people always dismiss his story because he's a man and then Griffin immediately dismissed his story because he's a man. That was wrong.

@welcome2myhappyworld 3 ай бұрын

@marialves9017 long story short, what Griffin said really came across as "your story is valid and all, but women have it worse, so we should focus on them instead."

@sealguru35 3 ай бұрын

That’s true and was really shocking to hear from them but I guess they felt really opposed to the Cowboy guy and that’s why they talked this way but it’s for sure not a reason to dismiss him. I’m really sorry that this happened to him and that Griffin (a person whose points of view are the closest to me) said this

@faithsparks7566 3 ай бұрын

Yeah he was absolutely shut down which just proved his point. @@sealguru35

@brendandegal9980 Жыл бұрын

"There were 20 of us on the corner, and none of us had dads." -This breaks my heart

@jamesmitch9792 Жыл бұрын

thank neoliberalism

@jrambo7495 Жыл бұрын

Divide and conquer. Break up the traditional family. The US GOOBERMENT is responsible for this!!

@xMXWLx Жыл бұрын

you must be new.

@IHMadeThis Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmitch9792 Thank the War on Drugs.

@travperk Жыл бұрын

not just 20... times that by 40 million. All around the world, all missing from action. There are a lot of corners out there

@lisa_xts Жыл бұрын

More than anything, the interviewer did a really great job facilitating this session. What an informed and impartial human!

@rukiabibi2015 Жыл бұрын

I agree,name of the interviewer

@mrb2643 Жыл бұрын

They want you to hate being a women so you must change, and then hate you for being a man so you must now be non binary

@JustGotSomeIdeas Жыл бұрын

There were a lot of jump cuts

@thecrimsondragon9744 Жыл бұрын

Krishna is decent.

@GettingMilkSon Жыл бұрын

Heavily edited but I do think they were pretty chill for the most part

@KaylaJosephine Жыл бұрын

This conversation has been good so far (I'm still watching) but I just want to say to the guys, if you can't afford a $150 date don't take the women or person you're going on a date to a restaurant that expensive. MOST women are fine just grabbing a coffee, and if they aren't then they aren't for you.

@olaines9154 Жыл бұрын

Right!

@caitnewbold1676 Жыл бұрын

This!! My bf (now husband) felt bad that we couldn’t afford our first date. I was like “Then don’t spend money.” So we watched the Big Bang theory and ate grilled cheeses at his apartment. We’ve been married for seven years now.❤

@CheyanneWillingham Жыл бұрын

Especially taking someone on a first date to a fancy place is gonna build high unrealistic expectations and if you don’t deliver on those of course the woman is gonna ghost you

@wellhowthehellareya 11 ай бұрын

Exactly! In fact I think coffee dates take the pressure off both parties tbh. It’s cheap, it’s public, it’s casual. My ex felt so pressured to impress me with fine dining that it just became a chore to go out. I would tell him I didn’t need that nor did I want that but still it went in one ear and out the other. I felt so bad every time we’d go out and I’d even insist on paying and that just offended him. It just didn’t work out between us eventually. So I plan to only have coffee dates in the beginning and even throughout my future relationship.

@mayz1223 11 ай бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking. Aside from sugar relationships or other financial arrangement relationships i think anyone expecting someone to spend 150 on a first date is pretty incredulous. Ive seen the argument that girls who don't want this aren't as valuable as girls who do expect it. Or that how much money a guys spends = his interest and effort. I think both of these ideas are hurtful to everyone, men included, and cause a lot of issues in dating and building meaningful relationships with people. Most of the women I know are absolutely fine with a simple first date, because really you are just meeting up with someone to feel it out.

@hieno9014 5 ай бұрын

From a man in Asia Country, seeing those men sitting together and had a conversation even when it is uncomfortable and still open up is freakin healing and Improvement for the entire manhood in the world. We need more of this. Thank you VICE

@bye230 11 ай бұрын

pink shirt guy looked so worried for the future of his daughters with men when he heard that guy talking about first dates 😭

@ye.sxniaa1057 11 ай бұрын

REALL

@ER-sj4vk 11 ай бұрын

My dad actually taught me to always bring enough money to a first date to pay for myself, but he also taught me to look for someone respectful. He would laugh his ass off at that guys comment

@ffreshfields5211 10 ай бұрын

Facts. He was like "this guy is not good"

@yeti2turnt435 9 ай бұрын

I think it actually brought up a good point. Its not just other men dictating what traits are considered to be masculine amongst men. Women also play a role in shaping masculinity by choosing specific traits they are attracted to in men. Everything he named on that list that are expected out of men on the first date are considered masculine traits. Women also play a role in shaping what it means to be masculine.

@ffreshfields5211 9 ай бұрын

@@yeti2turnt435 those things are not expected on a first date unless the woman is a very shallow and materialistic type of person. Some women are like that but most women are not like that. It is not hard to choose how we want to be and not go out of our way to play into stereotypes. He is making it hard for himself. It's just the same as women who do not play into stereotypes by not buying boob jobs or lip fillers. Some women will say or believe it is expected by men to look like that but most women don't care one bit about any of that and live life their own way, define their femininity their own way, and do not bend backwards only to find validation from the wrong type of men. It's pretty simple. You actually have to go out of your way to play into shallow expectations. Being yourself is easier, unless you actively WANT to be fake and wear a mask or to seek to impress over finding a genuine connection. He could easily suggest a date of a romantic picnic by the sunset instead of dine at some glamorous pompous restaurant without thought put into it. Women hope to meet a romantic and thoughtful man. It is a matter of whether he wants to put his feet on the grass and take off his polished shoes and show his authentic self or not and whether he chooses to find a more meaningful connection or not. Some men seek power or sex or validation or what not, while many men just want to meet a compatible match with substance and someone they could really love. The latter comes with confidence and maturity

@raccoonpunk707 Жыл бұрын

My dad spent 9 hours working, always made sure to be back for dinner. Learned to braid my hair in the evening, so my hair wouldn't be a nightmare. He cooked, cleaned, did laundry (actually taught me how to iron his work shirts) He learned to let go of toxic masculinity. And he became what i aspired to be and what i wanted in a partner.

@neveahcarter1105 11 ай бұрын

That’s so sweet

@hopelessromantic9342 11 ай бұрын

Same here, my dad used to do the exact same also learned how to curl my hair when I was younger, but also dealt with a lot of "manly l" stuff around teh house. Amd my mom recently got diagnosed with cancer and he basically takes care of her 24/7 and I help around the house. So yeah my dad has been the best role model for me and I look for someone like him in a relationship and fortunately I have found my bf who my dad is really proud of.

@laurayt3 11 ай бұрын

That’s less than the bare minimum

@et3rnalrest 11 ай бұрын

@@laurayt3then why do men have such a hard time doing what’s LESS than the bare minimum??

@xzyeagerist1673 11 ай бұрын

@@laurayt3 sadly a lot of men can't even do that

@KevenTalks Жыл бұрын

I loved the perspective of the guy in the bottom left corner (blue shirt). He had the most open-minded, non-judgmental take, and a desire to genuinely learn what the others think.

@alfonsomendez9787 Жыл бұрын

He’s literally the radical feminist right there. Radical, radical. I mean, maybe even misandrist.

@KevenTalks Жыл бұрын

@@alfonsomendez9787 Wasn't that top left corner? 😅

@mv2530 Жыл бұрын

Yeah him and the dude with the glasses near the top left and the bearded top row dude without the cowboy hat aswell

@mv2530 Жыл бұрын

Ig but I thought they were spitting fax tbh

@DF-es6tx Жыл бұрын

No he thought his way was right

@Novemberrrrr 3 ай бұрын

As a woman married to a wonderful husband it has never in my life crossed my mind to define what a „real, masculine“ man is. A lot of what is being said by the participants to describe what a man is or should be, to me is completely independent from gender but just describes types of people.

@itisntsoeasy3252 Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the nonbinary person, the pink shirt guy, and the man in the blue jacket. It feels as if they're very conscious of the nuances of why women feel the way they do about met. It's very refreshing to feel heard in that way, and very hopeful as someone who lives in an area with a lot of men who act in a manner which says "I do not view you as equal to me"

@Jeremy-wp4yh Жыл бұрын

So what is your opinion of the cowboy hat?

@itisntsoeasy3252 Жыл бұрын

My opinion is this: I come from a religious family with a dad with most of the same views as this guy. I see what type of person he is, and it's not somebody with malicious intent. He's somebody who derives masculinity from god, which I have no issue with. Being a stereotypically godly-masculine man is not wrong at all. I just hope that he's also the type of person to potentially be understanding if a man or woman does not fit his definition of womanly or manly and afford them the same attention and compassion as someone else. Considering he knows what toxic behavior is like, I feel like he has the capacity for that. @@Jeremy-wp4yh

@jamesmccloud7535 Жыл бұрын

@@Jeremy-wp4yhNegative I'm assuming 😂. In my opinion cowboy hat was based

@lilzz-vu5lv Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmccloud7535 actually he wasn't bad. He is basing his idea of masculinity on his religion but he didnt say other people should follow his religion or that men who are feminine shouldn't be expressing themselves in the way they want. I usually don't like Christians because a lot of them are judgemental and push their religion on other people but those who aren't are alright.

@soobunii4871 Жыл бұрын

what about christian? (the one with a black shirt) i personally think he was one at the best at doing that

@melimelz4948 Жыл бұрын

The only Vice interview I’ve been able to stomach watching, here’s a group of men who know how to wait their turn and speak with grace. Very refreshing to see.

@CB13212 Жыл бұрын

Men usually are better at having conversations it’s women who interrupt constantly ?? 😂

@VOLCAL Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU VICE FOR BEING INCLUSIVE OF ALL RCES AND GENDERS AND BEING FAIR ABOUT HOW YOU REPRESENT EVERYBODY....THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE WITH THE US MEDIA FROM 1995-2017....(2 DECADES OF MEDIA SELECTIVE RCSM.)

@ericantone8709 Жыл бұрын

@@CB13212 *Insert offensive generalization here*

@matthewmunoz1859 Жыл бұрын

This is obviously very much edited, you can tell they were taking over each other the whole time

@casperchristensen6451 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewmunoz1859 What are you talking about. No you can absolutely NOT tell they were talking over each other, like at all. That's either the best editing I've ever seen, or these folks were just normal, chill and respectful towards each other. Try watching it again, friend.

@moniquegilbert607 11 ай бұрын

As a female raised by my dad, I don’t think it’s the father figure or mother figure you miss. I think what you’re feeling is rejection pure and simple. It hurts for a parent to not want you. I don’t think it’s their gender you miss. It’s their presence.

@camrynnichelson1349 10 ай бұрын

Perfect take. I never thought about it like that before.

@d.derreck_2191 10 ай бұрын

Nevertheless, every child needs a female and a male in their upbringing/life.

@ffreshfields5211 10 ай бұрын

@@d.derreck_2191 As someone who had that, but who was raped and severely mentally and emotionally abused in childhood, I think what is even more important is to have safe and loving parental figures than what their gender is. Also, people who have a only one parent or two same gender parents, may still have male and female role models and strong inputs in their upbringing if they are very close to an aunt/uncle, much older sibling, grandparents, etc. There are so many different ways to grow up and different people around who can be a male or masculine and female or feminine guidance. The worst thing, is having people but who are absolutely abusive and downright dangerous as opposed to being positive role models at all. What we need most, is love and positive examples of safety and kindness and responsibility, whoever will show and give us that

@mistyvaughn6356 10 ай бұрын

My dad was absent and even though I know I always had his love, I still hurt for his actual prescence. It felt like there was a gap in our family.

@mrblend 10 ай бұрын

Disagree... but I can see why you think like that. Statistics show that kids raised by Single moms... majority go downhill where as....kids raised by Single dads do way better. And kids do overwhelmingly better with mom and dads at home

@deniseferron3397 4 ай бұрын

I’m a 60 year old woman, and for most of my life I’ve had men tell me that women were already equal (as far back as the 1980s all the way up to #MeToo). Hearing grown men admit to having male privilege just washed away decades of gaslighting and feels tremendously refreshing!! Thank you, gentlemen.

@muhindorobinah7122 Жыл бұрын

I love how organised they were. Respectful, even in their differences. No rage. Respect!

@jones2277 Жыл бұрын

there was some sassiness though.

@pburn883 Жыл бұрын

Yea watching some of the female panels and then coming to this one theres a clear difference in how they engage their differences in views. Felt way more respectful around opposing viewpoints

@conorfennell8475 Жыл бұрын

Agree 100 % but there was one fly in the soup who was acting as if this was a debate about men and women... they just through that person in to piss people off

@kevinwilliams7470 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I just watched the feminist panel, and wow!!!!!!! Huge difference!

@icebrg. Жыл бұрын

The female version of this was wild. Men just know how to communicate respectfully.

@ArethaFrankly Жыл бұрын

Pink shirt, blue shirt, and the non-binary person have the best minds on this panel. Overall an insightful conversation.

@mindkiller5720 11 ай бұрын

Because they put work in who they are now, they all experiences "self crises" and they learned the right thing out of it. It's take a lot of strength to move on, from the person you was build because of environmental pressure, to become the person you finally able love in yourself.

@WockyXSlush 11 ай бұрын

They also have the biggest propensity for mental health disorders 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You’re also a “🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊”

@ArethaFrankly 11 ай бұрын

@@mindkiller5720 All of this. Particularly for the two men I listed, it appears to me that they have let go of this idea that to be masculine is to have dominion over others and that they are more interested in being good people and positive assets to their communities and society at large. There is also nothing more attractive to me (and I do not mean romantically or sexually) than a person who can be open and transparent about their growth and move to be a better person by releasing their egos, but also without self-flagellating and or being overly apologetic. I saw that in those two men, and I love that for them and their loved ones. That's how you heal and break generational curses.

@justsayin7416 11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing!! Especially considering the hyper-masculine environments they grew up in. I was especially impressed by blue shirt’s empathy and intelligence. It’s so clear that he’s put in a great deal of effort to understand himself and the world around him. So great to see.

@ArethaFrankly 11 ай бұрын

@@justsayin7416 Agreed! And I hate to say I’m “impressed” because it sounds patronizing, but I really mean that I’m impressed because I understand what a feat it is to overcome his conditioning to talk like that. It’s one thing to question and maybe know something isn’t right. It takes a whole other level of bravery and love for the self to actually buck that conditioning and move differently. Despite myself, they’ve given me some hope that things will be better for future humans.

@JoshuaPlaysMusic Жыл бұрын

I identify most with the Marine. I served in the US Army Infantry for 15 years and, I am a girl dad! Having a daughter taught me more about masculinity than the Army ever could have. It has taught me kindness, empathy, and that it's ok to cry.

@garrettr3644 Жыл бұрын

I absolutely loved his perspective. I enjoy every single second that he was talking.

@danishane5215 Жыл бұрын

Lmao thats not what you call masculinity sissy. Pride, passion and stoicism make a man

@blank4227 Жыл бұрын

I think it actually taught you about femininity

@ilovewarw2 Жыл бұрын

@@blank4227people avoid the troll

@blank4227 Жыл бұрын

@@ilovewarw2you gotta be a huge troll if you think kindness, empathy, and crying are not masculine as F*CK bro... heh, wow

@sydneybird2462 9 ай бұрын

As a modernist woman, I really enjoyed this conversation. 6:00 stuck with me because I know exactly what he's talking about. There are SO many people who truly believe that men and women need to have specific roles and act a certain way. There are women out there who will strongly judge a man if he does or says anything that could be perceived as feminine, which is so immature and stupid - he's just a person, let him be a person. Likewise, there are men who will judge a woman harshly for not wearing makeup, not dressing up, not being a homemaker, etc., generally just being a normal person and not centering their lives around appealing to men or making themselves seem attractive. We're all just people. Any mature relationship between men and women - regardless of whether it's romantic/sexual, platonic, etc. - needs to be grounded in the understanding that we're all just human beings regardless of gender. Every single thing your partner does or says is not going to be attractive, because it isn't meant to be. They're just a person living their life. Every second of a person's existence does not have to be something you find attractive.

@rizon72 3 ай бұрын

I find that in relationships people are all about this 'equality' which doesn't seem to be working. Femininity and masculinity are an equal but different part of the relationship and I don't think we know what either is anymore.

@adiba8822 3 ай бұрын

very well said.

@tonyonaperky2128 2 ай бұрын

These women are all talking about being victims of the "sassy man apocalypse" simply because men aren't putting up with their bad behavior..

@slaphappybullet Жыл бұрын

Griffin and Tahoe were a team in the conversation and I don’t think they were fully aware of that, which made the way their points fit together all the more interesting. Their different backgrounds fleshed out their similar points to a more comprehensive presentation to the listener. Also mad respect for James, the marine with three daughters. That’s pretty much who my dad was- a guy who grew up in the machismo era, a bit sexist, also a marine, and in having three daughters, his perspective on the world flipped.

@geniec9755 Жыл бұрын

Not you spilling

@novelista14 Жыл бұрын

Those three really carried this for me. There were a few times when some of the others were speaking that I almost turned it off because it was cringey and frustrating.

@pidgeon2699 Жыл бұрын

they carried frl

@Breegan Жыл бұрын

I feel like because of the experience Tahoe has and how fresh and young Griffin is, is what makes them so good together. Tahoe understands from his own experiences what he did wrong and he can explain it to the rest of the men in an easier explanation. I feel Griffin is sort of having a tougher time trying to explain themselves, probably because of who they are (the others thinking they have less of an opinion because of their identity, which i feel keeps happening..) but again that’s why i think they’re a great team. It seems whatever the group gets confused about what Griffin is saying Tahoes there to help and explain or “dumb it down,” for them.

@spacebar9733 Жыл бұрын

@@Breegan yes exactly lol.

@zarkiaburton4514 Жыл бұрын

The fact that they all came together to have a difficult conversation and conducted themselves so well is great progression.

@bestjenkins2165 Жыл бұрын

Thats like saying that they are barbarians normally. Men feel more comfortable talking with other men because women can get closed off from what they are saying by the simplest of things

@yessicastro7236 Жыл бұрын

It’s because men are logical, not emotional lol. We can agree to disagree without the need to announce it.

@anotherday-anotherslay Жыл бұрын

@@yessicastro7236 i'm not even going to try to unpack that statement lmfao

@yessicastro7236 Жыл бұрын

@@anotherday-anotherslay because you cant.

@NTEDOG561 Жыл бұрын

@@anotherday-anotherslayyea don’t

@theg-master9831 Жыл бұрын

Nothing is more masculine then all these guys having a respectable brainstorm/debate. They're all calm and reasonable, well spoken and they all look like they take care of them selves. Good one dudes!!! Succes in life

@pankyrangful Жыл бұрын

The non binary was passive aggressive af with some of they're responses and body language

@aaronayy Жыл бұрын

@MuhammadHassan-hi6fc your proof toxic masculinity is still so prevalent and harmful

@aaronayy Жыл бұрын

@@pankyrangfulI don't think they were necessarily passive aggressive they stated every time they disagreed in a respectable manner

@Aliesm90 Жыл бұрын

Watch the female. Cats & comments are turned off 😂

@GR8119 Жыл бұрын

The trans dude was ready to fight whenever "woman" was mentioned. He wasn't listening, just waiting for them to stop talking so he could disagree.

@EstherFontenelle 3 ай бұрын

I don’t think people talked about how GOOD the host is… seriously, love this!! most professional, intelligent and interesting host i’ve seen so far

@thegreatdeconstruction Жыл бұрын

Protip: Don't spend $150 on a first date. Get a coffee, go dutch, do something where you can have a conversation. If you are struggling after a date then you falsely advertised yourself as a person who has $150 to spare.

@acog_quarks8753 Жыл бұрын

If dudes going after women that expect $150 dates, then he need to either switch his standards or nut up lol

@art4hawkeye Жыл бұрын

exactly, why spend 150 on someone when you dont have the means anyway.

@jerbsherb4391 Жыл бұрын

The dude was bullshiting like crazy. No way you are spending that much money unless you are going to some high-end restaurant. Also, if a person has all those expectations in the first place, then they have other agendas as well. Don't date people like that, and don't have an expectation that you will be laid that night.

@wonderunicornninja Жыл бұрын

Right. & even then, coffee is expensive enough as it it.

@samiirj8414 Жыл бұрын

I agree it is his choices to spend $150 on the 1st date, you can have a perfectly fine 1st day for under $100

@joyedet1363 Жыл бұрын

This wasn't even a debate, it was a REAL conversation.

@ianhansen6840 Жыл бұрын

Amen!

@rickyy5129 Жыл бұрын

it’s crazy how much different it was to the all women panel they had

@iren5792 Жыл бұрын

@@rickyy5129what are you trying to insinuate? Just because they had a bad panel of women doesn’t mean it reflects the whole gender 🤦🏽‍♀️

@shutup3565 Жыл бұрын

@@rickyy5129 stfu immediately shut up this is affecting women more than it will EVER affect men. We have a right to be angry.

@nassim-kameleddinehouha3095 Жыл бұрын

@@iren5792 no just the women one was too peesonal yk

@sejutibarua930 11 ай бұрын

Griffin calling out the other dude's daddy issues and ending it by muttering "Freud" is peak comedy for me 💀

@sarahwhite6622 11 ай бұрын

😂 exactly baby on the end needs therapy. Or knows that they can't use this "idea" to justify why they need sugar daddies. Like honey you making it too deep.

@Evitaschannel 11 ай бұрын

The guy was so touchy and definately got triggered by just hearing the word "freud"

@juankusoff 11 ай бұрын

It’s typical female behaviour. That’s why you like it.

@gdroz1927 11 ай бұрын

But what he said was true tho ;-; don’t we all define our standards, wants and needs from a partner based on our life experiences and what we like and don’t like. Isn’t that why everyone is so diverse in the dating world. We all don’t like the same type of people for a reason. I can go out on a date with a guy and not like him at all and then set him up with a friend and she adores him. I wonder how & where griffins preference in a person came to be? It’s all subjective at the end of the day. Griffin seemed a little toxic and when it came to some men on the board he invalidated their experiences and feeling which when you listen carefully all of these men came to agree that part of toxic masculinity root is men not being able to be open or speak about their experiences or feelings.

@elfullin 11 ай бұрын

@@gdroz1927possibly, but he wasn’t saying that having those preferences due to our past experiences is a wrong statement, he said it’s important to understand why we have those preferences. There is a reason the dating world is filled with people with baggage, because they haven’t done the work of understanding themselves, and it ends up hindering the relationship in the future which I believe is a huge contributor to cheating and also divorce.

@z-past1454 4 ай бұрын

This conversation did have good flow, but ngl I feel like there is some clever editing here. I feel like there were arguments and banter we just didn’t see

@snejjankhahcbcrew9347 Жыл бұрын

If you spend 150 on a date and next week you are broke then the problem is not the girl ghosting you, it's you being irresponsible with money and live on top of your financial means. If you can't afford a 150 dollars date, there is nothing wrong, a date does not have to cost that, you can have a walk in a park , take a coffee etc. Same goes for a girl, she should not go out on a date if she can't afford to pay the bill. Just stick with your possibilities people.

@apple3354 11 ай бұрын

abe then the girl should pay for her own food..

@susannehuber3996 10 ай бұрын

Correct. You could cook for her or do a Picknick in the park. Also if you take me to a super expensive restaurant I’m not paying YOU CHOSE THE RESTAURANT NOT ME.

@snejjankhahcbcrew9347 10 ай бұрын

@@susannehuber3996 Of course. The one choosing the date pays. I don't understand these people spending more than they can afford just to impress, it does not make sense, and is actually a turn off for me because if you bring me to a place which is not on your budget just to impress me, actually I will think that you are financially irresponsible, which is not cool.

@PrincessJewels08 10 ай бұрын

It just goes to show that men think throwing money at women equals an obligation on the women’s part to give them what they want. The point of taking someone on a date is the spend time and see if there is a connection. If she doesn’t feel it then she has the right to move on, no matter how much the guy chooses to spend

@dead7781 10 ай бұрын

Always the guy's fault...

@pmarie72742 Жыл бұрын

We need part two with these same men. This was extremely interesting, especially as a woman.

@sad_vegan507 Жыл бұрын

Same

@sad_vegan507 Жыл бұрын

Griffin is a rock star

@MrTrigz Жыл бұрын

What did u take from it

@pmarie72742 Жыл бұрын

@@MrTrigz check on your man and other men that you know. I had no idea they thought this way, and that’s sad bc I should have known the men in my life better. Check on your guys mental well being, not just your man but every man you know. ❤️

@loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397 Жыл бұрын

I'm curious to know your perspective. What are masculine traits that masculine man would have? Both personality and physicality wise.

@mactherealestateman Жыл бұрын

I like the fact that these men let each other talk. You learn more from listening. Overtalking never works. There is no 1 answer. Even as a Christian, that doesn't always mean you wont ever get confused. Who we are changes everyday.

@marrokraff998 Жыл бұрын

Except the gender bender! He had most conflicts with everyone else! The gay guy, the Asian dude with the business and the Christian cowboy. He took everything out of context and threw shade. Ironically the hood guy and the military guy were the most sensitive. Probably a combination of trauma situations and having daughters.

@VarunK-ii8eb Жыл бұрын

Because there are no women.

@stoningupper Жыл бұрын

@@marrokraff998I think the commie shouldn't have been there since they don't wanna be a man

@jasonfuentz4282 Жыл бұрын

Oh. look the incel brigade.

@VarunK-ii8eb Жыл бұрын

@@jasonfuentz4282 aww sad femcel.

@ginatembo8003 9 ай бұрын

The conversation is absolutely necessary. I am not a video editor by any standard but some tangents really needed to be fleshed out and I can notice when the cuts were made. Is there any way we can get an undoctored version?

@SeriouslySteyn Жыл бұрын

These guys really made me proud. Complete different types, and they 95% respectfully discussed a lot of topics.

@blank4227 Жыл бұрын

they were almost entirely all the same type of guy

@Ballum4114 Жыл бұрын

@@blank4227 they were very diverse…

@blank4227 Жыл бұрын

@@Ballum4114 I suppose they all wore different shirts and shoes yeah

@spurdosparde1355 Жыл бұрын

@@blank4227We have a christian cowboy, asian fitness coach, a non-binary person - a homosexual black guy, a retired US marine, someone who grew up in the hood, an asian new yorker, and an ghenian american. This is a very diverse lineup in my opinion

@blank4227 Жыл бұрын

@@spurdosparde1355 It's really cool that they all wear fun little costumes but they never ended up seriously disagreeing on any topic. Only one of the Asian guys (the one on front) had anything interesting to say and they barely let him speak.

@realm3164 Жыл бұрын

As a therapist who is dealing with these issues in my self and in my clients. This is one of the best conversations I've seen on the topic.

@monsieurimhim6147 Жыл бұрын

A therapist is a puppet of Satan

@O.A.F_B.A.S.E Жыл бұрын

Hmmmmm......lmfao

@zeenuf00 11 ай бұрын

It's people like you who destroyed western culture

@torihuerta7039 9 ай бұрын

@zeenuf00 9 ай бұрын

@torihuerta7039 no one in western culture is insisiting that certain behaviors or representations be exclusively attributed to men or women. This is what woketarda do - they base their entire paradigm on unfalsifiable assertions . And not only that - the lgbtqxyz world actually reinforces the so-called oppressive social constructs that it claims to dislike.

@alexanderavanth Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see this topic explored outside the US. There are many nuances to this topic when changing the cultural context.

@ingmarsjansons3665 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. As I guy who comes from post Soviet state and last 14 years living in Denmark where I met different guys from different countries, I can say, there are big differences between attitudes, beliefs and ways, man expreses them selves.

@Lisa-zi6hb Жыл бұрын

@@ingmarsjansons3665 I don’t think Slavic men for example would have preferred to not pay on the first date😂

@ingmarsjansons3665 Жыл бұрын

@@Lisa-zi6hb yeah, in Latvia 🇱🇻 where I come from its normal when man pays for dates and so on, also usually man is the one who invites girl out, so to ask to pay would be very weird. But in Denmark 🇩🇰 when I've been on dates with local girls, they offer to share half and some of them even don't want to accept situation where I pay all the bill and it feels awkward for me...

@Zejva Жыл бұрын

@@Lisa-zi6hb not all post Soviet countries are slavic majority-

@Kimmy234L Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@ankiking Ай бұрын

“I work hard and take care of my people” That is every woman I know

@kaifogelquist6134 Жыл бұрын

4:55 Is there a crisis in masculinity and what is toxic masculinity? 9:23 Dads, families, and the gender binary 15:33 Dating 20:13 Me too movement 24:04 Friendship 26:09 Performing for women, societal acceptance, and loving yourself 30:37 being hella tall and ripped bro 36:29 Big dick energy 39:08 Is masculinity inherently violent?

@eterna1flame Жыл бұрын

You’re awesome

@LewisWanjia Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@rik.writing.roughly3058 Жыл бұрын

So much respect for the Marine. I served in the Corps as a young man, and being in a hyper masculine sphere makes you a toxic man, because he who fights beasts, must be one to survive. The man who grew up in the hood captured that in it’s perfect essence when he talked about being around other tough guys on the block. He grew as a person, accepted his own problems, and took responsibility to act better than he used to be. Mad respect for you sir, I strive to be better than I used to be, and to become more compassionate. Thanks for showing that it is possible to be a man, and to show empathy. Semper gumbi

@leondavid8128 Жыл бұрын

The “hood” guy talked on and on about “the patriarchy” and how men had all of this power……….then he revealed that he and all of his friends grew up without fathers. Whatever toxic behavior he learned and misconceptions about what masculinity and manhood was, came about as a result of growing up in a pseudo matriarchy where single mother female led homes are the norm. He’s just been brainwashed to think that only men have power and are toxic

@rayala111 Жыл бұрын

The Marine has a great perspective and has really taken a lot from his life experiences. Great contribution to the conversation.

@warmonger82 Жыл бұрын

Fellow crayon eater here with three words The Great Santini Best movie ever made about these issues

@sotetsotetsotetsotetsotet2379 Жыл бұрын

Imagine calling people living in a village in a random village, driven to self defence because a global superpower decided they wanted some oil from your garden, beasts.

@moonysteps8064 Жыл бұрын

Good luck with your work on yourself!

@kellyfitzpatrick527 11 ай бұрын

“People have told me I have BDE” THE CUT TO GRIFFIN’S FACE DESERVES AN EMMY

@aaaa.789 11 ай бұрын

when was that did i miss it 😞

@surrealhope7635 11 ай бұрын

Around 36:42 😭

@ye.sxniaa1057 11 ай бұрын

REALLLL IT WAS SO FUNNY

@MsParty216 11 ай бұрын

Like nobody told you that Sir! Lol

@BuffaloWings505 11 ай бұрын

😂@15:50 He complains about basic manners like opening door, walking on the road side of side walk, making sure she's homed safe etc. Ain't no way anyone is saying this dude has BDE 💀

@haolinames2679 3 ай бұрын

What these men fail to realize is that when they complain about women or femininity, they are discussing women as constructed by a patriarchal society. When women in relationships demand too much, it's because they are placed in a vulnerable position, forced to choose partners who excel in male competition and who are willing to take responsibility for long-term commitments. When men feel the need to be more responsible or experience increased pressure, it's precisely because the gender role that defines a "masculine man" is suffocating them. If men were willing to share societal resources with women, to give them opportunities for promotion, to let women have the time to pursue their careers without the burden of childcare, and to grant women the socio confidence to not having to care too much about their appearance, then women, too, would become the ones who pay for the first date, who chase career success from dawn to dusk, and who provide the warm protection that men desire. At the end of the day, people are people, not just men or women; everything depends on our collective choices and actions.

@KaiDecadence 2 ай бұрын

Very beautifully said. Deep down the issue is that men (as a class, not every individual) created this problem and to fix it, men have to set aside the ego and try to fix this, not expect women to fix it for them when they had nothing to do with it in the first place.

@nathansellars3757 Ай бұрын

@@KaiDecadencewhich men exactly created this? 99.9 % of men had nothing to do with creating any system you clown

@christinamendonca6185 Ай бұрын

Some women do the most tho😂please accountability, some women devalue themselves so much thr bar in hell

@aguy9071 28 күн бұрын

Being a man is “it’s always your fault”. This comment proves that

@wildfire9280 22 күн бұрын

@@KaiDecadence Women have more political power than men do. And men do not control the system as a class because men aren’t a class period.

@jynx18kaz Жыл бұрын

1. The host or arbitrator was amazing 2. This group is full of grownups, the female group was not 3. This was a decent structured conversation that allowed almost everyone to finish the thoughts they had. All in all this is the best conversation I’ve heard on any topic in this day in age.

@diypictures Жыл бұрын

My guess is because outside of a little from the religious guy, they didn't really have anyone very outspoken on this panel that was on "the other side" of the argument.

@48677 Жыл бұрын

Because they had an Andrew Tate supporter in the female group.

@48677 Жыл бұрын

@@intimatespearfisher I wish they hadn't invited a literal supporter of a r*pist and sex trafficker.

@48677 Жыл бұрын

@@intimatespearfisher Lmao and how exactly are most women any different? My point was that they unfortunately invited an Andrew Tate supporter in the female group.

@48677 Жыл бұрын

@@intimatespearfisher Some guy on the internet BAHAHA 😂😆🙄

@Imawindybreeze 10 ай бұрын

Cowboy hat calling out the ableism was honestly the most positively surprising part of this whole video. I disagreed with a lot of his opinions up until that point but was glad that I shared that sentiment/insight with him

@TheEverFreeKing 9 ай бұрын

Opinions you would never expect reside in the hearts of many. For instance on my right winger that affirms transgender people even though I found the non-binary person on this panel insufferable personally. I really liked the cowboy he was charming and you can feel that he's doing his best to be a good man.

@KadarOfficial-lg2zr 9 ай бұрын

@@TheEverFreeKingyeah I honestly don't see how men can't agree with the cowboy he seems very humble under God... Unless you are a non believer you won't understand where he's coming from 💯

@JoeMama-gi1so 9 ай бұрын

@@KadarOfficial-lg2zrI understand that he is coming from a place of delusion

@Manhattan384 6 ай бұрын

@@JoeMama-gi1sowhat an inappropriate and immature response.

@1THETUFFGUY 6 ай бұрын

the cowboy guy is the only one not confused as to what a man is! I agree that God has given men and women a position and role in the family and the best way to iive in that role! The problem now is that we have left the better way and now we are left wondering what a man is?

@Someoneelsegotmyname Жыл бұрын

Tahoe sounds like a genuinely great human being. If his upbringing and early life was as bad and he was as bad as he made it sound like, he should be really proud of who he is now.

@craigandnem4597 Жыл бұрын

Tahoe is confused. He’s not a Tahoe, he’s more like a Dotson B210

@torihuerta7039 9 ай бұрын

@HenryGray7401 8 ай бұрын

very well said

@jjoohhhnn 8 ай бұрын

I don't think most men would describe the role they're expected to play as a privilege. That's your outsider language, it's like a biological male trying to describe a period, they just don't know what they're talking about, really. Also, griffin downplayed every mans issues. Major "man up for the damsels" energy. Even for the guy who said they were SAed.

@juliepowell8494 3 ай бұрын

Bravo. And if this was not clear, Griffin is amazing. ❤️❤️

@gummygrenade 3 ай бұрын

@@jjoohhhnnThey reaffirmed the guy who was SA’d the only part they challenged was the idea that MeToo was responsible for that SA.

@jjoohhhnn 3 ай бұрын

@@gummygrenade He said MeToo didn't include enough male victims, which is just true. And then Griffin said yes but women, and then someone else tried to blame the woman committing SA on men, cause it's actually mens fault for 'creating the culture' that made her do it. Like women have no agency, or like men are impervious to social influence, or maybe just plain sexism 'women can SA men but men can't SA women cause that's how I feel'. No excusable way to interpret that interaction. 21:30 If the genders were reversed in that interaction, you'd be fuming. IDK why switching the genders should matter, though for an individual instance of abuse, aren't all victims equal?

@udonfrenzy Жыл бұрын

While I agreed with Griffin the most out of anyone on the panel, I respect the hell out of Tahoe. He has truly done some hard internal, emotional work and I know he has more fulfilling relationships in his life because of it. I wish him all the best.

@BigTroubleD Жыл бұрын

Yeah I really appreciated Tahoe and the way he spoke about how he likes to take care of his woman and how he’s learn when to be soft etc. I really like that in a man and potential partner.

@fraiIest Жыл бұрын

@@BigTroubleD same here!

@sabir1208 Жыл бұрын

Something most men are completely unwilling to do realistically

@freesoftwareextremist8119 Жыл бұрын

You agree with the clown?

@sahilprasla7130 Жыл бұрын

I appreciated and agreed with a lot of the things Griffin said but I felt the judgmental looks they were giving to some of the other guests was unfair when everyone was there trying to learn and also express their truth

@belogikal Жыл бұрын

I love this discussion. At moments you can see realization in their faces about certain things they're battling with that another seems to have a different perspective on, and that's a beautiful thing. Please keep this discussion going, even if it's a different group of people! These are pivotal topics to be talking about in an open environment.

@ThoughXperiment 11 ай бұрын

Tahoe, a freaking King, a man man, a guy who knows who he is, a guy willing to see beyond his own existence and feel empathy, capable to growth and rise above. That's what we women respect and love.

@kapsaucy6590 9 ай бұрын

Is empathy an ability or an action?

@ThoughXperiment 9 ай бұрын

@@kapsaucy6590 I believe it's a choice. Even if science shows that empathy it's a developed ability, in my opinion this ability, as any other ability, requires thoughts and actions, hence, it's a choice.

@MyTruth1771 6 ай бұрын

Women favor men like Tahoe because he has learned to say the things women like to hear. He's attuned to this, especially because he's momma raised. Look at the time where he said "especially us who grew up in a super masculine house". He just made that up because previously he said he grew up without a father in the house. Then later he talked about feeling like he has to perform for women. But the pink shirt guy and the Cowboy hat guy are the kind of men that are the foundations of society.

@mattias5157 5 ай бұрын

A symp I guess? No you don't. You praise them with you mouth but cheat on them with bad guys. A well known fact. Few men are fooled by what you say anymore, hence the decline on the dating market. I'm sorry sis, those days are gone.

@ZelgiusK 5 ай бұрын

in some things yeah, but he touched the topic of "we as men choosing or deciding what women do with their bodies" refering to let them kill their offspring, it is a no no for me, so, not a true King if he let his offspring to be killed. But yeah, he is spot on, on many topics, good guy for sure.

@Amm6ie 2 ай бұрын

christian & griffin getting into it on anything was my favorite part ngl

@telhado55 Жыл бұрын

This panel was fantastic. Adults talking and giving each other some space and respect to have decent conversations.

@brucethedawg Жыл бұрын

Very different than the debate about femininity

@abnerrenaud6768 Жыл бұрын

@@brucethedawg bruh, was about to say that 😂😂😂😂

@zinazina6367 Жыл бұрын

For sure!

@zinazina6367 Жыл бұрын

@@brucethedawgYessssss I totally agree!

@TangiersIntrigue Жыл бұрын

I absolutely loved the takes of the hood guy. And I loved even more to see the synergy between him and non-binary person. I admire and applaud the fact that he took the time and dedication to learn more and be respectful. He was leagues away from the person he started out being.

@sameriah.6148 Жыл бұрын

Dillon, Griffin , and Tahoe were the only ones I truly resonated with and understood and were making factual points . Everybody is still talking about social constructs and things they’re and were conditioned to believe . I wish more people like them 3 were there to educate.

@polygondwanalanda 11 ай бұрын

I agree with you. This trio was the best.

@i_love_musique333 10 ай бұрын

You resonate with dismissing sexual assault😬

@purrrrrl 10 ай бұрын

@@i_love_musique333Timestamp please

@-naomi-1084 10 ай бұрын

@@i_love_musique333no one was dismissing SA

@i_love_musique333 10 ай бұрын

@@-naomi-1084 Responding with "now you know how women feel" after a guy tells you his story of being sexually assaulted is dismissive, disrespectful and nasty.

@katelynwhite100 Жыл бұрын

The veteran exudes personal growth and is incredibly inspiring

@DChris3 Жыл бұрын

Definitely. Strong father. That muppet with the bleached hair rolling his eyes every five seconds had me laughing tho hahaha

@yikes710 Жыл бұрын

100%, at first I totally thought he was going to give off "I need the skyman to be a man" vibes like the cowboy, but he was actually quite a stand up individual and is probably a great father.

@matteframe Жыл бұрын

Fitness guy exudes incredible posture

@alijibran3255 Жыл бұрын

@@yikes710 I personally am an atheist but your response in demeaning a persons viewpoint into a pathetic straw man means you should probably rewatch the video .

@VerBAASinwekkend Жыл бұрын

@@yikes710 Why did you think that at first?

@amanda-wy4xl 9 ай бұрын

Might be helpful to learn that vulnerability does not equal weakness. There is strength is recognizing, addressing, and coping with how we feel about what we experience. Emotional intelligence is a strength.

@maeheminger6035 Жыл бұрын

i feel like whoever figured out the seating arrangement before this event did really well and i think that contributed to how well this conversation flowed. i feel like if some of these people who are across the room from each other might not have felt open to talking if they were sat next to each other. 👏

@jjoohhhnn Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you not naming Griffin and Christian specifically.

@quelmix9902 Жыл бұрын

@@jjoohhhnn lol but u did

@jjoohhhnn Жыл бұрын

@@quelmix9902 I'm not that big of a person.

@evapatsellee Жыл бұрын

@@jjoohhhnn LMAO exactly

@cantagiousca5220 Жыл бұрын

That's America for you,none of this group have a single man in ,all gay lords

@thbcruj86fhj Жыл бұрын

It's comforting seeing some of the older men who have gained empathy & whose minds have changed with age & experience

@zinazina6367 Жыл бұрын

For sure.

@lsdiesel8025 Жыл бұрын

I know it’s happened for me. Growing up in the 80s in the USA I know I had been taught what people call toxic masculinity by society & now that I live outside the country I’ve been able to shed a lot of that. It’s refreshing to hear other men being able to reflect on their upbringing & learned behaviours that we can mature out of.

@D.Zerius 7 ай бұрын

THEY ARE BOOMER CUCKS. THEY ARE: KUKKKKKKKKKKKKKED OUT!

@BRIA_music Жыл бұрын

This video left me longing to hear more of the conversation. Those 43 minutes blew by and I wish I could listen to them speak about manhood for hours. This was refreshing to watch, thank you.

@ashleykellon Ай бұрын

Black woman here. For me…and at 10 mins is the video…my heart needed this conversation! To hear the gentleness in some of this panel. I have a son and I worry. That many have chosen to unlearn harm is damn empowering.

@SARAHizROCKIN Жыл бұрын

Griffin's facial reactions to some of what they were saying were killing me 😂

@maeheminger6035 Жыл бұрын

i loved watching them cuz i was making those same faces💀

@christinawolf2407 Жыл бұрын

Me too.

@aspebb Жыл бұрын

Why was a non-binary person there in a discussion for men?

@inni_k7767 Жыл бұрын

@@aspebb i can see how it can be weird, but as an afab non binary person i feel the need to be included in conversations about being a woman because i was most of my life socialized like that and i can see the situation from outside and from inside. Some people still think i'm a woman so i still can have those experiences. I think it's the same

@BigTroubleD Жыл бұрын

@@aspebbI appreciated the non binary person SO MUCH. They made some very very important points where it’s about being a morally decent person not just because you’re a man.

@cadencasey7233 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic debate. It's important to hash these things out with people from diverse backgrounds and world views. The non-binary person was in a tough position because every other opinion was very different to theirs but I'm very glad they were there to express their thoughts too.

@archivaltendencies 11 ай бұрын

I think that's because as a gender non conforming person you already need to have so many conversations and reflections about the meaning and place of gender and masculinity, they're basically lightyears ahead of the men in the room. Trans people are experts.

@jjoohhhnn 10 ай бұрын

@@archivaltendencies In my experience, most of the trans community takes the radfem perspective on men/masculinity which many, many men find so reductive and generalized it's absolutely useless. They talk around issues but never approach them from a masculine persons perspective. So while they may understand femininity better, they definitely don't understand masculinity.

@i_love_musique333 10 ай бұрын

Their thoughts being dismissal of anything that men said, including literal sex assault

@i_love_musique333 10 ай бұрын

@@archivaltendenciesThey're so "lightyears ahead" they just casually dismissed anything that men said, including literal sexual assault Typical progressive😍

@ffreshfields5211 10 ай бұрын

@@i_love_musique333 I did not hear them speaking against or unsupportively towards sexual assault experienced by men. Where?

@MikeCammack1 Жыл бұрын

This was the most mature and I think respectful one of these videos I’ve seen. That being said I would love to see this whole series offered as unedited versions

@dropssergian Жыл бұрын

True, I think we all noticed that. Another thing I noticed was the fact that on the other panel with women, discussing about feminism and femininity, there was a lot of hate and insults, head nodding and eyes rolling, complaining about plenty of things and blaming anything but themselves, and mostly the incapability to have a respectful conversation, showing respect to other people’s experiences and points of views. Apart of that, the comment section was turned off for that one, so I can see why they decided to do that. It’s obvious to me from what I learned in these two conversations, that most women can’t control their emotions and they have a hard time dealing with tough situations. I’m not saying this in a hateful way, I love women and I respect them, so I’m just sharing my opinion.

@nicksshitbro Жыл бұрын

The only issue with that, is that they keep these guys in a room all day long and only snip the best parts. So you'd be watching each one for like 6-8 hours maybe lol

@Maxwell-mb7xn Жыл бұрын

@@dropssergian Exactly. Women and men are equipped with different tools and lenses to navigate the world. Men with the physical and logic, women with the emotional and manipulation. Both with the potential for good or ill.

@indreadixonsedwayms9056 Ай бұрын

The black guy with the light blue jean jacket is very informed, aware and educated on the subject matter. I am so glad that men are having these kinds of conversations. Keep on communicating, males.

@Bshdjdj-lt7by Ай бұрын

Black women already have most abortions hes just reinforcing that

@lotus6314 Жыл бұрын

I’ve done a few interviews before but I gotta say this interviewer deserves a Grammy. Very well done asking questions but I appreciate when the interviewer doesn’t try to steal the show and actually let’s them talk and put all there insights in before they say anything or move to the next topic. Very well done you got a new sub.

@mikekavanaugh1348 Жыл бұрын

I gotta say that whether or not you agree with anything said during this, I appreciate the fact that this is just a talk between people. No ego, no drama just conversation. Kudos Vice, Kudos.

@Kekorast Жыл бұрын

100%.

@aivorymentoring Жыл бұрын

Seriously. I'm so grateful to all of them.

@wishyouwerehere3430 Жыл бұрын

Top left was a little dramatic though

@PLou-ne9jb Жыл бұрын

see that the panel only consists of men? 😀

@hellogoodbye4061 Жыл бұрын

They should have taped this one before the wacky one with women and required those women to view it beforehand in order to know how to behave, the feminists in particular.

@hershe782005 Жыл бұрын

That man expressed when he was sexually harassed and those two men devalued his experience because it "happens more to women." That struck me

@jjoohhhnn Жыл бұрын

Super common for men, in all situations.

@starscream6629 Жыл бұрын

Typically toxic feminized men who were raised to put women foremost. They aren’t there as representing manhood they are there to represent women as an “ally”. They always speak to undermine men as well in their language.

@kerryberry___ Жыл бұрын

Yes! That upset me because that was the point he was trying to make.

@coahomma6794 Жыл бұрын

That's sick.. What happened to him matters!

@Stormsong93 Жыл бұрын

Yup they straight up proved his point right then and there without realizing it.

@almightyace3581 7 ай бұрын

That was strangely great I was expecting arguments I loved how there was disagreements but they kept the conversation I just wish I could see the full conversation without cuts

@JoeHertler Жыл бұрын

This host was thoughtful and patient. Did a great job, seemingly, at making everyone feel comfortable to express themselves; he made them feel like their thoughts of the subject mattered. He didn’t condescend or patronize. We’re all humans and we only really know what we know - and exploring tough subjects through honest conversation may the best way to learn and grow.

@Unbothered.design Жыл бұрын

Well said Joe! Sending you and your the family my best!

@dubonkies Жыл бұрын

A pleasant surprise seeing you in these comments haha! You’re a legend man. Love your music 🤙

@jasonstevens3071 Жыл бұрын

True, but he also allowed certain opinions to be expressed as if they were fact without challenging them.

@R_A_3000 Жыл бұрын

@@jasonstevens3071 Like which ones?

@jasonstevens3071 Жыл бұрын

@@R_A_3000 - (1) 15:12 - Griffin said, "Men experience oppression based on the intersection of their identities." - What does that even mean? Can we clarify that? Why was that idea accepted as fact without being clarified or challenged? (2) 20:00 - Christian said, "Men have more sex, men cheat more, they have more affairs." Says who? In 2023, women are more promiscuous than they've ever been. (3) - 21:29 - Dillon said that men invalidate other men's experiences with being victims of sexual assault. That may be true, but women do that also. I've had men call my manhood into question, but I've never had anyone challenge my manhood more so that my own wife. Women minimize the masculinity of men ALL THE TIME. (4) 20:45, 22:22, & 23:03 - When they were saying there is a double standard that exists in the area of sexual assault, and that men can't complain about life's difficulties, Paul was explaining the pressures of being a man, and how if a man can push through, he can be successful. Griffin asked, 23:24 "What does that have to do with being a man?" Sure, women also have life's pressures too, but they didn't acknowledge the fact that society does expect men to do things that they don't expect women to do. Men are expected to be altruistic in ways that women are not. When crisis occurs, men are expected to sacrifice their lives to protect women and children. Women aren't expected to do that. If a ship is sinking, women and children will be allowed to take their places on life boats first. Men will only be allowed to do so AFTER women and children. And if men don't behave this way, their manhood is called into question. They glossed right over that. There were just a lot of gaps in this conversation. I mean, it was good, but it wasn't thorough enough for me.

@Mim1971 Жыл бұрын

This was one of the most nuanced, mature discussions on this topic I've seen. I watched the Feminism panel and is was horrific to watch how that very important discussion unfolded. This panel was able to listen to one another and respectfully respond. Frankly, I thought this was the MOST modern exemplification of what it means to be masculine.

@lauragesicki5499 Жыл бұрын

As a woman, I totally agree with you. The female panel bombed because it was clear most of these women were not in a 2 parent household where a strong humble and self sacrificing man took the lead and protected. Always remember hurt people exist because the were unprotected and not consistently nurtured by the adults in their life. This is true of men and women. But women always cry over it and men always find a way to quietly succeed. This is the difference. Hasn’t changed since the beginning of time. That being said I do love and respect both men and women. But the narrow road, the traditional ways, the generational positive cultures handed down through family continue because they work.

@sammierose1150 Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree with you, except for 29:21 where all I could think of was *“The girls are fighting!”* 😂

@kgh065 Жыл бұрын

how can't you see that this film is so edited that the real debate isn't visible

@tetesperm Жыл бұрын

@@lauragesicki5499 it is very clear you're not a woman. Its sad how you felt the need to degrade an entire gender because of your superficial and highly priviledged beliefs. Women always cry about it do they? 1 in every 3 women have been assaulted but of course you wont see that. Women who hate on women, considering you even are one and not just a troll, are the most heinous of people to breathe this air and you're a prime example of that. How much strength does it take to hurt a little girl? How much strength does it take for the girl to get over it? Now which one of them do you think is stronger? Hopefully you finally grow up and reach to a correct consensus.

@doobie245 Жыл бұрын

@@lauragesicki5499 You can’t say stuff like that and say you love and respect women. Men have oppressed women since the beginning of time so to say men have been on top while women cry is extremely misogynistic

@oeao2841 Жыл бұрын

Crazy cus I'm a Vet and one day I cried in front of a group of vets at this mindfulness class...after the class this Vet from the class who was in the army came up to me and said "I wish I could cry" ...that's stunned me to this day

@listoh Жыл бұрын

you loose the ability to feel anything after a while. its just blah after a certain point

@hayden9389 Жыл бұрын

I suffer w/ this. Im just not sure how to cry. Its not something my body automatically does anymore. But i want to, and need to express my anger or pain somehow, but have no idea what medium i can do so with.

@anneb889 Жыл бұрын

@@hayden9389 Watch the first 10 minutes of the movie Up. I don’t mean to joke…..but honestly, a guy at my job was telling me how he was bawling and he’s like this is a kids movie??

@SoftDistorsions Жыл бұрын

@@hayden9389 Watch Evangelion Neon Genesis series and then the movies + Devilman Crybaby if the movie UP doesn’t do the trick. Every time I need to cry, I rewatch the end of Evangelion or an episode of Devilman, but you need to have watched all of it before hand) and I almost always cry. They are rough, but the core messages beyond the gore or whatever are actually beautiful ironically. It reminds me of what it is to be a human trying your darnest to get by, trying your best not to hurt others even if it will inevitably happen sometimes, trying to be yourself… And remember animation is not a genre, but a medium to tell stories and messages if ever you think it is only for children. These are definitely not for kids. Do not watch these with kids around. I watched them in my late 20s, and they still stuck with me. If those are too hard to watch, a total opposite and sweet one that might make you cry is the series .

@Wooplot Жыл бұрын

That's so sad.

@sarahs7489 Ай бұрын

As a woman, it's amazing to be on the inside of this conversation. It's really heart felt to see what some of these men think about women and family. It makes me smile to hear about their accomplishments as they sifted through the turmoil and fought to be the man they saw themselves as and I'm proud of these guys for doing this. This is the change we need.

@shantelmitchell3427 Жыл бұрын

I really respect this conversation. Hearing everyone's story was very eye-opening for me, as a woman. I realize that some of my own interactions have not been the most supportive to the men in my life and I'm committed to correcting that. Thank you, sincerely. In my honest opinion, this is the one of the best things happening on social media.

@cindylandham4337 Жыл бұрын

I felt the same way. Such a fruitful and thoughtful and thought-provoking conversation. I am grateful to everyone and the facilitator. Thank you so much for your civility (kind respect). I found myself actually relaxing, and not bracing myself for an argument.

@aannalynn1515 Жыл бұрын

This group brought back my faith in men. Even with different view points, they were all extremely respectful and reasonable.

@Artliker1234 Жыл бұрын

Men are often like that around men

@KingJamesNephew Жыл бұрын

Good men are still in this world. Our mouth has been muzzled on speaking on any topic let alone about masculinity and feminism.

@KingJamesNephew Жыл бұрын

Cause then we’ll come off as a misogynist, weird or creepy. That’s why it’s hard for men to be honest to women.

@Usmcvet585 Жыл бұрын

Go watch the feminist one lol completely different

@aannalynn1515 Жыл бұрын

@Usmcvet 3531 very true. Most of the all female debates are just a yelling match

@avateraangshoe5025 Жыл бұрын

14:37 "Well if you believe that God is true-" "-I don't." I'm a Christian but that part had me dyinnnn😭😭😭

@greyiris906 Жыл бұрын

Yahayayay hi fellow christian, I hardly see anyone who is commenting so

@songrogu7801 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't believe in god but wears an upside down cross.....i can't i just can't, i'm not very religious but if the devil exist god also exist

@father6760 Жыл бұрын

@@songrogu7801 the upside down cross is Saint Peter's cross tho

@SeaweedBeastboy Жыл бұрын

@@songrogu7801 What’s wrong with accessories lol

@beestings22 Жыл бұрын

@@songrogu7801 satanists don’t believe in the devil

@laffalot328 2 ай бұрын

I watched this debate when it first came out, and here I am in 2024 STILL loving it. This was such a great/diverse group....Vulnerable, humorous, and thought-provoking dialogue. LOVE IT!

@drilltimebyperryb3310 Жыл бұрын

To the dude spending $150 when you don’t have it … that’s your damn fault 😂

@tayabone8633 11 ай бұрын

Yes, he doesn't seem to have a sense of identity, to be honest

@angela-donna3332 10 ай бұрын

Yes wth

@EnidWellness 9 ай бұрын

Right! I was so confused by his complaining 🎻

@KadarOfficial-lg2zr 9 ай бұрын

He gotta get outta be York

@strictnine5684 9 ай бұрын

No it isn’t.

@Naculd1 Жыл бұрын

To be honest, I was expecting a mess. But this video is really good and actually discussed masculinity and it's problems. A really respectful and thoughtful cast of guys.

@nubeZamurai-mh9pq Жыл бұрын

On the other hand the women section was a mess

@connor2205 Жыл бұрын

" Vulnerability for men is often times viewed as surrender " I felt this immediately

@HonkHonkler Жыл бұрын

Because it IS

@aguyinlove Жыл бұрын

If men were vulnerable like you girls are saying "is okay", humanity wouldn't have reached these heights. We need support, not help.

@andreionac1109 Жыл бұрын

It's normal to be vulnerable sometimes, just don't stay that way

@heathersmith9262 Жыл бұрын

@@aguyinlove okay... sorry, may I ask what is the difference between support and help? Because usually they go hand in hand and yes, women need to facilitate that being vulnerable is human and is just fine coming from a man. But please this was an interesting statement and I want to know more... how do I be a better support to those in my life or those that may enter my life?

@TelzAll Жыл бұрын

Change that midnset. Some of y'all are mentally ill and murderous simply from rejection. That's not okay.

@AET1689 3 ай бұрын

Loved this convo! Blue jean shirt jacket, black tee, black dress and pink button up had my favorites on panel! I appreciated their contributions a lot

@Ianmundo Жыл бұрын

the way these guys allowed each other to contribute to the conversation and share their views, an impressive example of the range of modern masculinity

@dfield3dg 9 ай бұрын

Most Definitely. Before I saw this one I watched the one on Feminism. And it wasn’t anywhere close to how well this conversation went

@redefiningblackmasculinity9921 Жыл бұрын

I'm Dillon, and I was on the panel. I loved being a part of it and glad I had the opportunity to hear others' insights and share my own. Thanks VICE for the opportunity, and thank you everyone for tuning in!

@renealvarado817 Жыл бұрын

You were the only one the panel who seemed to be combative. I have to say you weren't very open minded and shifted blame on toxic masculinity only to men. I would encourage you to be more receptive and accepting of others if you want the same treatment.

@theworldamongus12 Жыл бұрын

@LTM i agree to accept someone for who they are but this person also encourage the individual to become open minded. But I must disagree with accepting someone’s closed mindset and disregarding any possible negative influence they will have onto society.

@boutwhatever7520 Жыл бұрын

I sure as hell hope u wasnt the thing in the back with the dress on🤦🏾‍♂️ i wouldnt have been able to take anything it said serious

@snejanaceneva3455 Жыл бұрын

@@boutwhatever7520 things like you make me sad. the fact that you don't have the mental capacity or emotional intelligence to look at a person presenting differently than the box you've created for yourself makes me incredibly sad for you. we can't take you seriously if you are not willing to grow out of your own learned dangerous beliefs. i sure hope you are not that type of person.

@snejanaceneva3455 Жыл бұрын

you were one of the people on this panel who give me hope that some men are willing to learn and grow and i thank you for that.

@METALD00M Жыл бұрын

To my fellow men out there, society can be hard and unforgiving, but you were built to persevere. The men on this panel demonstrate and convey that. All walks of life, we can make it through this ✊🏽

@sweetpeaxh Жыл бұрын

❤

@sethdaniels4410 6 ай бұрын

Dude at the beginning quoting spider-man is crazy 😂

@IsaacParbery Жыл бұрын

The host was so awesome really clear at understanding everyone's feelings and so unbiased.

@cyberbrain2000 Жыл бұрын

TAHOE AND JAMES, SO IMPRESSED BY YOU. So much growth and awarenes. I can see that there was a lot of reflection and questioning in your lives and I have respect for that. It was great listening to you guys. I wish more people and men have this mindset and go through that process

@metothemoon1227 Жыл бұрын

Tahoe is a solid man, humble, calm, good posture (which avoid back problems when getting older), good eye contacts (without doing hypnosis), he accept disagreement, he can say no with finesse, he assume his opinion and respect the opinions of others. In other world he should be the president of the USA to be honest.

@LuisVelazquezLV3 Жыл бұрын

oh please

@krulak292 Жыл бұрын

I don't know, Tahoe was talking about the wage gap and the patriarchy. The wage gap hasn't been a thing for a long time.

@_gay_grim_ Жыл бұрын

@@krulak292 so you clearly don't know enough about the real world because the wage Gap still exist today.

@_gay_grim_ Жыл бұрын

@@krulak292 "The gender gap in pay has remained relatively stable in the United States over the past 20 years or so. In 2022, women earned an average of 82% of what men earned, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of median hourly earnings of both full- and part-time workers." This comes from an research article that was published on March 1st 2023.

@mr.f613 Жыл бұрын

My advice to all of the dating problems these men are experiencing is never go on a date with someone you don’t know. Meet people and have fun in group settings, school, work, sports, hobbies. Get to know someone well before making emotional investments in them. If they know you and still want to dinner with you, you’re golden. Earn their trust long before you ask them to be alone with you.

@namehere4954 Жыл бұрын

Yep! Switching how you do something will change results. Buying into a system that gives you the same results over and over is a sign the system is broken. I don't date. The right man will enter my life at the right time. It's not a numbers game. Men respect this when I tell them.

@someq. Жыл бұрын

exactly!! I think meeting people for the purpose of dating will almost never bring love into one's life, meeting new people to meet friends and acquaintances not only is more likely to bring honest love into one's life, but it also means many more long lasting, strong, beautiful connections and relationships will be made than just trying to find someone to date.

@MsMookalate Жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is how people originally dated. Like I’m still confused on how they keep dating wrong.

@thesaviorvsevilqueen1218 Жыл бұрын

Omg ! You’re so right ! That’s what my boyfriend did ! We were colleagues and he waited six months for me not to be his colleague anymore to invite me out! We’ve been together for a year and a half now 😊!!

@hi-je7km Жыл бұрын

Also you don’t have to go on an expensive date straight away. You can go on a mid range date like smoothies

@chikertenderinos6903 7 ай бұрын

This is pretty chaotic, in my mind, because of how conflicting their opinions are. I think that it’s important to see and be reminded of that difference, however, because of the individuality of each human on this earth. I’m glad that y’all chose to show that so clearly

@taylorandrod Жыл бұрын

The gentleman in the white shirt and baby blue shirt on the left made me wish I had a father role like him in my life. My dad speaks barely with me about values and uses humor to talk down on things that are important to me. My religion, my relationship with my girlfriend, getting a job and facing difficulties. This gentleman seems so calm but yet so serious and serene. I wish I had someone like him in my life being a young adult man. - Rodrigo.

@hasensaurus Жыл бұрын

he sounds good, but his facts are superficial and way wrong. he's basically saying what you hear from feminists who didn't do any research, just read 3-4 books on female empowerment in their lives.

@appointedvillainy Жыл бұрын

You should hear his rhetoric on his podcast. He’s putting on a front here being in his “best behavior.” He is a misogynist.

@Kannakks Жыл бұрын

@@appointedvillainysame

@karinannamaria2514 Жыл бұрын

Yeah he is wise man

@Okaybutseriouslywhy Жыл бұрын

@@appointedvillainywhat is his podcast

@breemya Жыл бұрын

wow. this is probably y’all’s best one yet. i didn’t expect to enjoy this conversation so much. great people were chosen.

@weepinglilies Жыл бұрын

Eh… the god guy was annoying to me, he lacked any personality because it was all about Jesus, he reminds me of my cousin who got drunk one night at college and experimented with another dude, then freaked out the next day, drop out of school and devoted himself to Jesus, got married to a woman and had kids, I threw a party one day for Christmas and invited family and friends, and one of my friends freaked out when he saw him, because he remembered him from the bathhouse, he was the guy on his knees with a blind fold and mouth wide open, he apparently goes there once a month to expel his demons, I felt really sad for him living a fake life.

@johnsheppard4428 Жыл бұрын

If you're struggling after paying 150 for a date, you couldn't afford that 150 date. Live within your means and find a woman that respects you for that.

@1saamor897 Жыл бұрын

it was a joke. and he is right

@katvogue2871 Жыл бұрын

This ❤❤

@tula1433 Жыл бұрын

Lmao blame him for modern day womens ridiculous expectations! Sadly he can’t sell nudes like most women can on onlyfans while demanding men not be “broke”

@promisedaryl8726 Жыл бұрын

Women never respected broke men though and most people are broke in our current economy. View literally any radio song every from the new gen Female artists. "Broke boys don't deserve no P**ssy" Long story short, men lie because women judge.

@lisreads4872 3 ай бұрын

@@tula1433 you can sell nudes too buddy, what's stopping you?

@matthewfarley8340 3 ай бұрын

To me , a man protects his loved ones and provides security. If you are a great man, you will defend and support your family till your dying breath. I am a gay man and in my marriage for 5 years and we have been together for 15 years. I know we both feel the same . Do you all like my definition?

@eclipseofnight 2 ай бұрын

This, though I definitely think it can apply to anyone.

@Luke-wt5ur Жыл бұрын

the guy in the bottom left fully listened to everybody with full open mindedness. even though he may not agree he listened w both ears. that’s what we need in this world. king.

@hendrsb33 Жыл бұрын

The "not having a father at home" topic really hit home to me. That was my reality. In middle school, I had a friend who was in a Boy Scout troop and told me about all the fun things he did in scouting. I joined and stayed for 8 years, largely because I was able to do activities and learn things that my mother, as a hard-working single parent, hadn't the time or energy to do with me. I realized years later that my scoutmaster and other male volunteers served as necessary father figures in these scouting activities. I wasn't there for the merit badges; I was there for the character-building experiences and positive male influences. As far as the video, it was great... though I wonder how much of the conversation ended up on the cutting room floor. Addendum: there are SO many influences over a person's identity: parental, familial, friends, social circles, gender, media, religious, generational, historical, etc. It's no wonder so many of us are confused about who to be because we are compared to or compare ourselves with so many outside sources.

@kimberlykreitner-riegerix842 Жыл бұрын

I came here for Griffin not knowing what to expect and was so happy to watch this great conversation. The moderator was top notch with moving topics in interesting directions and keeping things on track. Griffin, thank you for making some really great points. Side note, I very much wish they would have had a guest with a disability to provide that perspective interwoven with masculinity.

@karenbondechek Жыл бұрын

Griffin so non-binary and so confident (add pronoun here) couldn't quite understand why others aren't being themselves. It's like, gender? Big deal... look at me now. Go Griffin and stay safe! You're a walking statement and go easy on the eye rolls k 😝

@jrowan4430 Жыл бұрын

Yes they should had someone with a disability, I also think it would of been helpful having a trans man apart of this.

@eatmoreburgers5918 Жыл бұрын

i thought they brought up a really bad point. A. asking men to pay the whole check makes woman more in danger as some men will expect sex in return and get angry if they dont get it B. "potential" is not something that we accept as some sort of payment in literally anything. "im giving you flight lessons and your giving me your safety" like, no C. if that is their argument. Then the flip side of that is "a man makes more money because men risk their lives in war, serve mroe prison time, have higher depression blablabla" so if you accept that argument you must also accept the pay gap its just a bad argument.

@emmie1176 Жыл бұрын

Does griffin have a yt channel or something? I'd love to see more from them!

@codegeass7162 Жыл бұрын

@Eat MoreBurgers this is barely coherent my friend. They weren't making an argument. They simply pointed out that while our friends biggest issue is that he think he has to pay for dates that women's biggest issue is fearing for their lives. It's not a prescription. It's a description they used to set context to the complaints. I have no idea how you get a justification of the pay gap from this when all three of these things are products of historical patriarchy.